[godwin]

Saw a sticker at the Superstore on Lougheed that their Supreme grade has 0% ethanol.. which I assume they will be using some type of polyether amines.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

cool

[threezero]

chevron 94 and nothing else.

[XtC-604]

all chevron Supreme (the red label one) has no ethanol.

[crazyazn]

These don't have ethanol for sure:

Chevron 94
Shell 91
Superstore 91

Anybody know about Esso? And Mohawk/Husky has it in all their gas right?

[Phil@rise]

call me dumb but whats the beef with a bit of ethanol?

[hamhead]

has less energy in it, so although cheaper u need to buy more to do the same about of work less gasoline can

[hk20000]

cool story bro.

Chevron supreme is also 0% ethanol.

When I'm paying that bullshit carbon tax I want to burn some fossil fuel, that's why it's important.

[hchang]

Do American gas stations like Arco, Texaco have Ethanol in their gasoline?

[skylinergtr]

i've noticed with using 89 octane gas that gasoline from chevron has lasted me a lot longer than gasoline from shell. Also there is a article from NGK about changing the spark plug gaps a little bit to do with ethanol fuel since its basically at every station now. So no regular fuel with no ethanol these days? i used to think petro canada was no ethanol for not having a stand out sticker until you look at the side of the pump..

[moomooCow]

Oh what?? Chevron 94 has no ethanol?? I could have sworn all their pumps had that ethanol sticker on it! Hahah... though it was only Shell 91 that doesn't have it!

[k3lv]

^ Chevron 94 specifically says no Ethanol. I see the sticker every time I fill up my car and bike

[simsimi1004]

i have never been to an esso but every other station i go to, usualy their supereme stuff is 0% ethanol.

[bcrdukes]

Ethanol made my Vespas do nothing but run like a craptastic chunk of sheet metal and rot its seals.

[Shun Izaki]

ethanol slowly eats rubber seals and gunks up your fuel system because of it...

[slammer111]

Not everyone needs a ton of power. For those who drive like grannies (such as myself) and don't need Chevron 94, there's nothing wrong with E85.

I'm too lazy to look up the specs on energy content per L or whatever but interestingly enough my mileage didn't seem to change at all when I swapped between E85 and regular gasoline in an experiment a while back. Most modern cars are designed to take E85 without dying anyways, so only older cars would have issues with hardening seals and gaskets. If you always drive your car like it's stolen then maybe it'll make a difference, but I wouldn't know.

**EDIT** the fuel I used for my experiment was E10 (ie Mohawk), not E85. Oops. With that said, I'd assume all modern vehicles (say 2005+) can handle E10 without any problems. The government isn't going to release something that has the potential to destroy 1/3 of the cars on the road after a couple of tanks.

[hk20000]

^ Our gas is NOWHERE nearly E85

maybe E10....MAX

And if you drive a normal car on E85 you are gonna fuck it right up, E85 has completely different stoichiometric ratio hence a custom tuning or a "Flexfuel" system has to be developed to run it. Traditional fuel lines not designed for E85 also rapidly fail if subjected to E85.

source: http://green.autoblog.com/2007/08/07/can-any-car-use-e85/
more sauce:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100314223044AA8WE5o

[Lomac]

ethanol slowly eats rubber seals and gunks up your fuel system because of it...

Ethanol made my Vespas do nothing but run like a craptastic chunk of sheet metal and rot its seals.

E10 is not potent enough to damage gaskets and seals...

[death_blossom]

Do American gas stations like Arco, Texaco have Ethanol in their gasoline?

I think maybe only a few do. I know Arco will as they have been putting ethanol in their fuels for a long time already.

When I went to Pt. Roberts to fill up, I asked the lady at the Chevron if their Supreme (92) gasoline contained ethanol. She said no.

[Mancini]

E10 is not potent enough to damage gaskets and seals...

Even over 10 or more years?

[NNT]

All gas station's top gasoline dont have to add ethanol, so Chevon 94 Shell 91 etc... are have no ethanol.

[Lomac]

Even over 10 or more years?

You should be replacing all the gaskets and rubber lines every few years anyway, so it shouldn't be an issue. It'll only be a problem on older cars where proper maintenance hasn't been completed.
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[03c0upe]

i think i was at cheveron regular gas says it may contain upto 10% ethanol, it wasnt like that before. whats up with that

[Phil@rise]

^ Our gas is NOWHERE nearly E85

maybe E10....MAX

And if you drive a normal car on E85 you are gonna fuck it right up, E85 has completely different stoichiometric ratio hence a custom tuning or a "Flexfuel" system has to be developed to run it. Traditional fuel lines not designed for E85 also rapidly fail if subjected to E85.

source: http://green.autoblog.com/2007/08/07/can-any-car-use-e85/
more sauce:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100314223044AA8WE5o

Thats what I was thinkin
Yes Ethanol has about half the BTU's of regular gas but with such a small percentage usually a max of 10% by volume the difference in fuel mileage or power would be negligible in a modern car.

[OTG-ZR2]

Personaly, I like using ethanol blended fuels Iv been filling at husky/mohawk for a few years now. I feel it keeps my motor cleaner vs other brand fuels. Except in my dirtbike, that gets Chevron premium!





Do American gas stations like Arco, Texaco have Ethanol in their gasoline?

76 had a label on the pumps saying all fuels may contain up to 10 % ethanol.

[keifun]

Anyone know how much ethanol is in Chevron's 91 gasoline?

I'm pretty sure its 10% in 87, 5% in 89, and their 94 is 0%. I asked the gas attendant and he doesn't know. I assume its maybe 1% for 91?

[godwin]

Why are you guys talking about E85? BC doesn't have the infrastructure.. finding biodiesel locally is easier than E85. Heck race fuel is probably easier to find (Mission).

It will be impressive if anyone find e85 locally and damage your non e85 capable pos.

If you really want to be on the alternative fuel band wagon go all the way to biodiesel instead of half assed E85 way... We are not living in Iowa or the any of the corn growing states in the US.

[Phil@rise]

Why are you guys talking about E85? BC doesn't have the infrastructure.. finding biodiesel locally is easier than E85. Heck race fuel is probably easier to find (Mission).

It will be impressive if anyone find e85 locally and damage your non e85 capable pos.

If you really want to be on the alternative fuel band wagon go all the way to biodiesel instead of half assed E85 way... We are not living in Iowa or the any of the corn growing states in the US.

From my understanding any gasoline burning engine is capable of running off e85. It just needs to be jetted and timed accordingly due to the need to run nearly twice as much of it for the same output as gasoline.

[Manic!]

All Esso gas in BC has no ethanol in it. That's 100% confirmed.




http://www.imperialoil.ca/Canada-English/Products/Fuels/PS_F_FuelsProducts.asp

Ethanol-blended gasoline is currently available at participating Esso service stations in Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario. Stations selling ethanol-blended gasoline have a label on the pump indicating the gasoline may contain up to 10% ethanol.

[Volvo-brickster]

my 92 pathfinder is old, gutless and has no power

i can't tell if ethanol makes a difference or not

superstore 87 octane is all it gets :D

[Amuse]

All Esso gas in BC has no ethanol in it. That's 100% confirmed.




http://www.imperialoil.ca/Canada-English/Products/Fuels/PS_F_FuelsProducts.asp

Ethanol-blended gasoline is currently available at participating Esso service stations in Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario. Stations selling ethanol-blended gasoline have a label on the pump indicating the gasoline may contain up to 10% ethanol.
It doesn't say anything about BC. So that means Esso 87 really has 0% Ethanol in BC?

[Shun Izaki]

even though it does no apparent damage, you'd either get harmed a little, or none at all... the choice is obvious.

[Manic!]

It doesn't say anything about BC. So that means Esso 87 really has 0% Ethanol in BC?

Yes!!!!

[Eff-1]

Yes!!!!

I thought Esso pumps had the ethanol sticker as well. Last time I filled up I thought I saw one. Or not?

[godwin]

It is the ethanol that do more damage to the plastics and hoses.. again.. No e85 in town... 6 gas station in middle of no where WA state that offers e85.. the chances of e85 getting in any local cars.. highly improbable.

http://e85vehicles.com/e85-Washington.htm

From my understanding any gasoline burning engine is capable of running off e85. It just needs to be jetted and timed accordingly due to the need to run nearly twice as much of it for the same output as gasoline.

[hk20000]

It's not really that important for day to day operation of your car. It's only before track day / dyno tuning / drag racing where you want to make sure the fuel is 100% what you think it is.

At less than WOT in closed loop the engine can easily compensate with a modern emission computer.

[Manic!]

I thought Esso pumps had the ethanol sticker as well. Last time I filled up I thought I saw one. Or not?

Where???
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/Manic1234/IMG_0087.jpg

[skyxx]

premium is only 8 cents more? Wtf
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[Shun Izaki]

premium is only 8 cents more? Wtf
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everytime i hit chevron it's like 11.x cents more for 91, and like 14.x for 94

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Where???
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/Manic1234/IMG_0087.jpg

why is 89 and 91 so cheap?

[Manic!]

why is 89 and 91 so cheap?

We have 3 cent's off premium and we are one the Island.

[Amuse]

^ I don't see the Ethanol sticker anywhere in the last pic.
Which got me thinking...
Can gas stations add ethanol into their gas but not mention/advertise it on the gas pumps?

[sonick]

The esso in Richmond at Westminster Hwy has ethanol stickers.

[keifun]

everytime i hit chevron it's like 11.x cents more for 91, and like 14.x for 94


really? When I fill up at Chevron, its like 13cents more than 87 for 91 and 16cents more for 94..

damn:\

[skyxx]

^ Yeah, it's around there.

[hk20000]

We have 3 cent's off premium and we are one the Island.

That COULD be why you have no ethanol in the gas.... I believe the all gas stations getting Eth phenomenon only applies to 604.

....Which coincidentally supports retarded idea such as Aircare... ;)

[crazyazn]

Wait...what? 91 at Esso is cheaper than 91 at Shell or 92 at Chevron?

[Amuse]

So where is the best and cheapest place to get non ethanol gas? Shell 91? Superstore 91 gas any good?

[Expresso]

So where is the best and cheapest place to get non ethanol gas? Shell 91? Superstore 91 gas any good?
No man lol, read the posts. He is from the Island. Price structure is different over there.


Wait...what? 91 at Esso is cheaper than 91 at Shell or 92 at Chevron?
I think so, I alternate between Shell 91 and Chev 94 now. And yea 91 is like 13 cents difference now and it used to be 92 too. :(

[skyxx]

That COULD be why you have no ethanol in the gas.... I believe the all gas stations getting Eth phenomenon only applies to 604.

....Which coincidentally supports retarded idea such as Aircare... ;)

Wrong, Transport Canada is planning to regulate all of Canada. :) They're just slowly implementing it.

AND it's E10!!!!! Damn it. not E85.

[TomBox_N]

Why aren't ppl considering husky/Mohawk now that everyone must have e10
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[Mugen EvOlutioN]

cuz their station looks and feels ghetto

[Eff-1]

Where???


Here... under the speedpass reader

[skyxx]

Why aren't ppl considering husky/Mohawk now that everyone must have e10
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I run Husky/Mohawk gas.

[crazyazn]

So 91 at Esso isn't cheaper than Shell for Vancouver eh? cuz the pic is taken on the Island?

[hk20000]

I run mohawk/husky coz of the $2 off coupons LOL

[vash13]

$2 off coupon FTW. I don't know why so many people hate Mohawk/Husky. It's all the same shit.

[jigga250]

$2 off coupon FTW. I don't know why so many people hate Mohawk/Husky. It's all the same shit.

but omg, the stations look so ghetto, omg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^
:haha:

on top of that, there is only a few husky gas station around in town compare to petro / chevron

[Amuse]

Why aren't ppl considering husky/Mohawk now that everyone must have e10
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Does husky/Mohawk have ethanol in their gas? If they do, do all grades of gas have it?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

i believe so

[mb_]

There's a non-ghetto looking Husky (might be Mohawk not sure) somewhere in Whalley

[SumAznGuy]

There's a non-ghetto looking Husky (might be Mohawk not sure) somewhere in Whalley

But then you would be in Whalley. No want, thanks. :(

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

indeed


the moment u step out that semi ok looking gas station, u will be in the gehtto lol

[OTG-ZR2]

the husky station by braid is sorta non ghett0.

all the mohawks on the other hand, are from 72...

[Amuse]

So what's the ethanol content of Petro Canada gas?
even their supreme has 10% ethanol?

[CP.AR]

Not everyone needs a ton of power. For those who drive like grannies (such as myself) and don't need Chevron 94, there's nothing wrong with E85.

I'm too lazy to look up the specs on energy content per L or whatever but interestingly enough my mileage didn't seem to change at all when I swapped between E85 and regular gasoline in an experiment a while back. Most modern cars are designed to take E85 without dying anyways, so only older cars would have issues with hardening seals and gaskets. If you always drive your car like it's stolen then maybe it'll make a difference, but I wouldn't know.

**EDIT** the fuel I used for my experiment was E10 (ie Mohawk), not E85. Oops. With that said, I'd assume all modern vehicles (say 2005+) can handle E10 without any problems. The government isn't going to release something that has the potential to destroy 1/3 of the cars on the road after a couple of tanks.

my gas mileage decreased from 12L/100km to 13L/100km...

[Shun Izaki]

Phuc Dac Bich

Chevron/Shell aka Top Tier Gas (/sarcasm) all the way... once proven by a Land Rover filled at Stupidstore for 5 years that started to knock XD

[hk20000]

The Husky on Bridgeport and Great Canadian Way looks and feels fresh coz it's sort of new.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

rare to see a newer facility

[Shun Izaki]

The Husky on Bridgeport and Great Canadian Way looks and feels fresh coz it's sort of new.

that's like the ONLY new one I know of in GVRD lol

[tool001]

94 @ husky, no eth.

A selection of octane levels to suit your needs
■Octane 87. Regular with ethanol (SK, MB & some parts of BC)
■Octane 89. Mid-grade blended with premium (Ontario only)
■Octane 90. Mid-grade blended with ethanol, for the same price as 87 (Alberta and some parts of BC only)
■Octane 91. Premium - no ethanol (Ontario only)
■Octane 92. Premium, blended with ethanol (BC, AB, SK & MB)
■Octane 94. Premium Plus, the highest octane fuel available (BC, AB, SK & MB)

[Amuse]

^

The most recent change occurred in BC where, effective Jan. 1, 2010, Husky's ethanol-blended 90 Octane fuel changed to 87 octane fuel, still blended with ethanol, in some parts of the province. Also, in many of those same jurisdictions (much of the Lower Mainland, Southern Interior and Northern BC), our mid-grade fuel - 92 Octane is no longer available. We will continue provide our premium 94 Octane ethanol-blended fuel at certain locations across the province.

[hchang]

Would you guys maybe possibly suggest that filling up with 91 with 0% Ethanol would be more bang for your buck than filling up 87?

I was thinking, it'd cost maybe an extra $5 to upgrade from 87 to 91, and although my car does not require 91, would 91 last me longer and save me more money in the long run? That way I'd be running with no Ethanol in my fuel.

I currently run on Chevron 87, Shell 87 or Husky 87 for the $2 Coupon.

Anybody want to tackle this question?

[Fafine]

the sevie gas station on 33rd and knight didnt have the 10% ethanol blend sticker.

[skylinergtr]

i filled my car with 89 octaine gas twice. Once at chevron, and the other at shell. I drive the car pretty aggresively, but usually consistant. I have to say i got a lot more mileage from the chevron fuel compared to the shell fuel. I'm sticking with chevron now.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

how much more roughly


i notice with my other car

if i fill up with 87 the computer says it can run less mileage, if i add 91 it will run further distance. the manual says 87 or 91 is both fine, but if want full performance add 91

[tool001]

before,,, go for regular gas @ any station, about 12l/100km
used husky 94, milage improved 10.x L /100km
used chev 92 from US, improved even more. 8.x l / 100km

everywhere i filled up it say eth. up2 10%. (i guess husky 94 has eth also as somebody posted)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

what car?

stock?

[tool001]

tsx 04/ no eng mods. next gonna try 92 husky

[crazyazn]

i guess i should try some other gas stations...i've been sticking to Shell 91 cuz of AirMiles + extra CC credit...

I did try Chevron 92 before, and the fuel economy was much worse than with Shell 91.

[Lomac]

Mileage varies with your driving style, remember. Chances are if you fill up in the states, you're doing mainly highway driving.
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[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

i honestly think its not accurate testing gas station by gas station. It is so hard to compare what kind of mileage you are getting. Since too many factors, how much are you pumping exactly. Even when ur pump stop, u can still pump anywhere from 1-4 Liters, i did it before.

Plus driving habite, how much hwy,city driving you need, traffic....just too many variables.

[freakshow]

before,,, go for regular gas @ any station, about 12l/100km
used husky 94, milage improved 10.x L /100km
used chev 92 from US, improved even more. 8.x l / 100km

everywhere i filled up it say eth. up2 10%. (i guess husky 94 has eth also as somebody posted)
For this to even have a chance at being accurate, you'd have to do each of those tests a few times, then average the results.

Also, as Lomac said, US gas isn't a fair comparison, unless you're driving the same amount on the highway as you do when you fill up with the Canadian stations.

[skylinergtr]

^

how much more roughly


i notice with my other car

if i fill up with 87 the computer says it can run less mileage, if i add 91 it will run further distance. the manual says 87 or 91 is both fine, but if want full performance add 91

i didnt notice the trip calculator change, but same car (2009 BMW X3). I put $35 at each gas station. I got about 300km from chevron, and about 250km from the shell. Both 89 Octane.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

as i was saying, its mix review. Some say more mileage with shell, some say chevron

[LiquidTurbo]

LOL @ the people who claim better mileage with another gas station. I got news for you, you operated your vehicle slightly differently, or the ambient temperature was different, or it was windier during one tank, or you went on more hills, or you accelerated quickly more, or you carried more people, etc etc etc etc.

It's not the brand of gas you used.

Just go with a quality Top Tier Gas and call it a day.

[tool001]

Mileage varies with your driving style, remember. Chances are if you fill up in the states, you're doing mainly highway driving.
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lol. yeh i know that, im going by city driving in city, driving habits are same. i reset milage computer on navi every day to get a better reading. , the milage test was done over a period of a 2-3 days .. not just 1 trip.. for the same route... other factors yes. but when diff is between 2-4 ltr. dont think wind will be so much of a factor

and if u read my comparison above. its not just different gas stations... its diff octane altogether....

i did some more reading on it, "The additives are not added to gasoline until the last minute when the fuel is being loaded into those 18 wheel tankers " ..so even if it might come from the same place.. it might not end up being the same in the end..

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

seriously guys, same shit different pile

gas is gas


as long as u are adding the right grade, who the fuck cares

[skylinergtr]

the funny thing is when i was driving with chevron gas, i was driving around with 6 people in the car to richmond and back. There was lots of weight, and i was probably driving less conservatively. I drove more like a granny with the shell gas and it didnt help. I know the thought that gas is gas, but quality can definitely be different. That's like saying all motor oil for your car is the same.