[FerrariEnzo]

ive been thinking, wouldnt it be great when you renew your license, you would be required to take a short test or even the computer test again INCLUDING EXAM!!

i think this would help eliminate half the accidents on the road. im not saying this to pick on ANY specific groups but i hate people who dont know to drive properly DRIVING on the road!

Dont get me wrong, but old people, who cant see shit, should not be driving.

young people under age like 20 or 21, their license should expire a bit sooner then older people.


i dont know.. but this auto renew thing is crap.. i was in line at the motor vehical branch in vancouver, the one o mcdonald st, there this old guy. around 60-70. hes renewing his license. MAN it took him almost 2mins on the card machine, coz he had trouble finding the buttons!!! IMAGINE HIM DRIVING :cry::eek::die::banghead:

[noventa]

that is such a dumb idea.

[FerrariEnzo]

so you dont mind old people who cant see driving on the road for years?!?!? and this is a good idea?

[Great68]

I'm all for retesting seniors after say 70 years old.

But for the rest of us this would be a stupid inconvenience. You think the lineups at the DMV are bad NOW?

[tool001]

it doesn't matter, people will still drive they way they do. Mind you it will get those very dangerous seniors off the road. but till we have cops giving bullshit tickets/ VI things wont change.
i mean, they will give ticket to the guy pass on the left rather than pulling over the guy slowing down traffic in the right lane.

[vafanculo]

I wouldn't mind it simply for the reason that atleast I get something out of the $50 or $75 it costs to renew your license.
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[Jgresch]

it won't change much. I see a ton of terrible/dangerous drivers. I would rather have an old person drive slow than a new driver rip through the streets.

think about how safe/slow teens drive for their roadtests, yet I see a lot of N drivers who drive like maniacs....

[godwin]

You guys do know they do it in Europe right?

[jmvdesign]

I wouldn't mind it simply for the reason that atleast I get something out of the $50 or $75 it costs to renew your license.
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i'll be fine if it's included in the renewal fee. if they're charging another extra 50-70 on top of it, then forget it.

[hirevtuner]

it won't change much. I see a ton of terrible/dangerous drivers. I would rather have an old person drive slow than a new driver rip through the streets.

think about how safe/slow teens drive for their roadtests, yet I see a lot of N drivers who drive like maniacs....

are talking about in Richmond?

[FerrariEnzo]

I wouldn't mind it simply for the reason that atleast I get something out of the $50 or $75 it costs to renew your license.
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i'll be fine if it's included in the renewal fee. if they're charging another extra 50-70 on top of it, then forget it.

well this should include it with the renewal..

all they need is an express computer that is only for this.. and it doesnt even have to be the full set of questions.. maybe just half or something.. just not give money and bam you renew your license..

theres a lot of people on the road that should have it in the first place..

[Presto]

Ah well, even if we can't test everyone, at least the veteran plates are great indicators of drivers the need a lot of room. I was reminded of that today when the fogey in the minivan started moving into my lane without signaling or shoulder-checking. He must've been deaf too, because I laid down on the horn, and he just continued on his vector.

[GabAlmighty]

Ya, go write a letter and see if it gets you anywhere...

And... Pretty sure seniors have to do something extra at 75, just sayin.

Problem with that test is that everyone, including you and me, can drive perfectly... For a test. Not hard to concentrate for 30mins and do shit properly.

[GabAlmighty]

Ah well, even if we can't test everyone, at least the veteran plates are great indicators of drivers the need a lot of room. I was reminded of that today when the fogey in the minivan started moving into my lane without signaling or shoulder-checking. He must've been deaf too, because I laid down on the horn, and he just continued on his vector.

That's pretty ignorant. Lots of "non old" veterans around.

[Presto]

^^^
Sure, but the majority I encounter are the old folks that don't drive so good!

[taylor192]

I would support stricter initial testing.

I just got my motorcycle license and while practicing in a lot I was approached by a German couple. They wanted to know how much it cost and what it took. I said:
- $15 for a written test, 32 out of 40 questions correct to pass
- free parking lot cone test, about 10 mins and basic skills

Without taking the road test, my only restrictions are:
- no night driving
- no passengers
- no booze

So for $15 and 20 mins of testing, I can ride any bike at any speed anywhere. Dumb eh?

In Germany they would have to take 10+ lessons for a cost of 1000 euros. Meanwhile I paid $15 and took ZERO lessons.

Richmond would be a very empty place if these kind of licensing requirements were put in place.

[tonyzoomzoom]

I think doing a full exam (written so that you'd be aware of any rules changes and a road test) during license renewal is worthwhile. This should weed out some of the poor drivers (young, old, c-lai's, those who "bought" their license, etc)

It's only once every 5 years, so a small price to paid for safer roads.

[fishing666]

there are many competent drivers out there who still dont know the rules of the road. how often do you see lane changes over single white lines? how often do you see drivers shoulder checking? how often do you see someone fully stopping at 4 way stops. how often do you see people speed? how often do you see people making left turns when they can't even see what's coming?

im sorry but re-examination will do nothing to weed out the bad drivers. the ability to use a button machine is irrelevant to driving a car. there's people out there that can operate tractors but can't drive a manual but it doesn't mean they can't drive their tractors.

what we have now is pretty good..

if anything that could be done is a recent documented physical examination required for those renewing their license at ages 65+. i can't think of anything else

[noventa]

ahaha. the original poster thinks this will eliminate HALF the accidents on the road? You know what is going to really happen if they do this? You guys will just complain that ICBC is ripping you off and all that other bullshit people cry about.

[will068]

Whichever politician spearheads this idea will definitely lose in the next election.

[noventa]

I would support stricter initial testing.

I just got my motorcycle license and while practicing in a lot I was approached by a German couple. They wanted to know how much it cost and what it took. I said:
- $15 for a written test, 32 out of 40 questions correct to pass
- free parking lot cone test, about 10 mins and basic skills

Without taking the road test, my only restrictions are:
- no night driving
- no passengers
- no booze

So for $15 and 20 mins of testing, I can ride any bike at any speed anywhere. Dumb eh?

In Germany they would have to take 10+ lessons for a cost of 1000 euros. Meanwhile I paid $15 and took ZERO lessons.

Richmond would be a very empty place if these kind of licensing requirements were put in place.

what is so dumb about that? You have a license so I will assume you know the rules of the road. You have demonstrated that you can safely control your motorcycle in the 20 minute test. What else would you like them to test you on? You wear your L and the rest of us on the road will give you extra room and be more cautious around you.

[TomBox_N]

Or maybe something like ppl who have multiple accidents r required to take tests while those who r clean will be exempt.
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[FerrariEnzo]

ahaha. the original poster thinks this will eliminate HALF the accidents on the road? You know what is going to really happen if they do this? You guys will just complain that ICBC is ripping you off and all that other bullshit people cry about.

since they are already ripping us off, why not include something in the price of the renewal?

just walking in, paid $75 to get your license renewed and walked out... does that sound like its safe especially with someone who has an accident history or whatever...

you guys complain about bad drivers, now i give an idea like this and you guys complain, at least it would be a start to clean the streest of bad drivers...

all i can say is WOW.. im done!

[jello24]

re-doing a written test, although it seems like a good concept, would not change things one bit. road tests are too time-consuming to be practical. Maybe a simulator of some sort might work, but thats a long way away.

writing a test where you can think about things VS split-second decisions on the road? you can see why these "bad drivers" are on the road to begin with. they can ace the tests but can't apply the same knowledge once they hit the asphalt.

you can tell a guy to shoulder-check when changing lanes, yes. will he do it? Most likely not, unless he trains himself everytime he drives to swing that head around to check his side. for a really bad driver, it will take an accident to correct those bad habits unfortunately.

so yeah, at this point, any kind of written test is pretty much useless in my book. EXPERIENCE is the best teaching tool, and until that experience comes along, you'd find it hard to put those by-the-book concepts to proper use.

[2damaxmr2]

taylor192
You are a fucking dumb ass. Go find another forums to troll on.

[taylor192]

what is so dumb about that? You have a license so I will assume you know the rules of the road. You have demonstrated that you can safely control your motorcycle in the 20 minute test. What else would you like them to test you on? You wear your L and the rest of us on the road will give you extra room and be more cautious around you.

You are what is wrong with drivers.

The 10 min test did not cover me leaning over at 110 kmph on the Coquihalla, nor what happens if someone cuts me off, or negotiating a downhill decreasing radius turn in the rain.

I haven't demonstrated even the basics of driving, just that I can get around a few cones in a parking lot. Yet I can hop on the most powerful sportbike I can buy and ride the crap out of it.

That is not right.

[fishing666]

You are what is wrong with drivers.

The 10 min test did not cover me leaning over at 110 kmph on the Coquihalla, nor what happens if someone cuts me off, or negotiating a downhill decreasing radius turn in the rain.

I haven't demonstrated even the basics of driving, just that I can get around a few cones in a parking lot. Yet I can hop on the most powerful sportbike I can buy and ride the crap out of it.

That is not right.

right...it's more like you are the problem

who's going 110km/h? it's funny how you blame icbc licensing for your crappy driving.

[mekaw]

like aircare isn't bad enough as is already...

you want to bring more laws to complicate car enthusiasts

[jaguar604]

There should be new mandates on teaching and testing on how to handle emergency situations.

A good percentage of lives lost and accidents could probably be prevented this way. Way better than having useless testing every few years.

[The_AK]

god what a pain in the ass this would be

[noventa]

You are what is wrong with drivers.

The 10 min test did not cover me leaning over at 110 kmph on the Coquihalla, nor what happens if someone cuts me off, or negotiating a downhill decreasing radius turn in the rain.

I haven't demonstrated even the basics of driving, just that I can get around a few cones in a parking lot. Yet I can hop on the most powerful sportbike I can buy and ride the crap out of it.

That is not right.
Well the stuff you named are situations where one would expect a novice to take it easy. Just because we all have the same driver license does not mean we all are equally skilled at operating our vehicle. So one would expect that if you think you are not able to negotiate a downhill decreasing radius turn in the rain, then perhaps you should go slower or not do it at all. When you have the skills to do so then you can try. Just because you dont have the balls to whip a corner in the rain does not mean you should not be allowed to have license.

[noventa]

^also to add, the test does cover the situations you mentioned. You being able to safely break in an emergency situation shows that you can handle the cut off part. You being able to negotiate a full-lock u-turn demonstrates that you can control the motorcycle in balance compromising situations. (ie. slow speed, slippery ground). And I guess they aren't testing you on the leaning over part at 110 km/h because frankly, what is the point?

[taylor192]

right...it's more like you are the problem

who's going 110km/h? it's funny how you blame icbc licensing for your crappy driving.
Since you misunderstood my point, please don't reply again till you do.

The speed limit on the Coquihalla is 110 kmph in places. The MST did not cover being leaned over in a high speed turn yet I am permitted to do this, without any supervision either.

My driving is fine cause I've driven motorcycles when I was a teen. My comment concerns other new drivers who can weave through a few cones at 20 kmps, then hop on a 1000cc 100hp supersport at 110 kmph+ with no indication they can handle driving it and no training or testing required.

One day you'll grow up and understand. Reply when that day comes.

[taylor192]

Well the stuff you named are situations where one would expect a novice to take it easy. Just because we all have the same driver license does not mean we all are equally skilled at operating our vehicle. So one would expect that if you think you are not able to negotiate a downhill decreasing radius turn in the rain, then perhaps you should go slower or not do it at all. When you have the skills to do so then you can try. Just because you dont have the balls to whip a corner in the rain does not mean you should not be allowed to have license.

^also to add, the test does cover the situations you mentioned. You being able to safely break in an emergency situation shows that you can handle the cut off part. You being able to negotiate a full-lock u-turn demonstrates that you can control the motorcycle in balance compromising situations. (ie. slow speed, slippery ground). And I guess they aren't testing you on the leaning over part at 110 km/h because frankly, what is the point?
You can guess all you want, I don't guess.

I used the German system cause it is a very good example, no guessing required. They have to do 10+ hours of lessons before driving to be taught the proper skills, rather than a novice "just take it slow" and try to teach themselves and develop poor incorrect habits.

The point of testing at 110 kmph is BC has a number of highways with this speed limit. Germany has specific tests to be allowed to drive on the autobahn.

Please if you're going to reply, no more guessing. Real facts trump your guesses. German drivers are much better cause they are better taught.

[FerrariEnzo]

like aircare isn't bad enough as is already...

you want to bring more laws to complicate car enthusiasts

being a car enthusiast is once thing, driving properly and SAFELY is another thing.. so your saying that the car enthusiasts are all bad drivers? i mean you can still be a car enthusiast, just obey the law, no?

by the sounds of things, you seem to be a bad driver if you dont know the difference...

[noventa]

^ Lets be clear here then. What exactly are we testing for at 110 km/h?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i wouldnt mind, as long as get those c lais off the road



tats a small price to pay

[noventa]

and what am i guessing here? If you are going to only use real facts, please don't make statements like German drivers are better because they are better not. Surely you don't expect us to take your words for it. Ok now looking over my post, what part am I guessing? Let me clarify my last statement. I was trying to some quippy and clever when i stated that "and I guess they aren't testing you on the leaning over part at 110 km/h because frankly, what is the point?" What I meant to say is, testing at 110 km/h is useless because it does tells us nothing.

"They have to do 10+ hours of lessons before driving to be taught the proper skills, rather than a novice "just take it slow" and try to teach themselves and develop poor incorrect habits."

Well we do that here to. A smart rider will seek out additional riding instructions if they do not believe they are up to the task. (riding schools)
Those of us who ride know that motorcycling is a life long learning experience. Getting 10 extra hours of lessons from a professional as a noob is not going change anything.

[taylor192]

and what am i guessing here? If you are going to only use real facts, please don't make statements like German drivers are better because they are better not. Surely you don't expect us to take your words for it.
No, I expect you to look it up instead of still guessing.

Ok now looking over my post, what part am I guessing? Let me clarify my last statement. I was trying to some quippy and clever when i stated that "and I guess they aren't testing you on the leaning over part at 110 km/h because frankly, what is the point?" What I meant to say is, testing at 110 km/h is useless because it does tells us nothing.
Yes, cause leaning over at 110 kmph focusing on the apex of a turn while checking mirrors, for potholes, and monitoring the car infront is a "nothing" skill.

You tried, and failed. You're not clever, you're ignorant.

"They have to do 10+ hours of lessons before driving to be taught the proper skills, rather than a novice "just take it slow" and try to teach themselves and develop poor incorrect habits."

Well we do that here to. A smart rider will seek out additional riding instructions if they do not believe they are up to the task. (riding schools)
Those of us who ride know that motorcycling is a life long learning experience. Getting 10 extra hours of lessons from a professional as a noob is not going change anything.
You're an idiot. Please stop.

In Germany the 10+ hours of instruction is mandatory, for cars and motorcycles. Here it is optional.

There are advanced courses offered in the lower mainland that even the most experienced riders comment they learned something from a few hours on a weekend. 10 hours of qualified instruction makes a huge difference.

[taylor192]

by the sounds of things, you seem to be a bad driver if you dont know the difference...

It is just the typical young driver mentality that is all too common on RS: "I know it all, don't you dare tell me I don't". Sadly we have to share the roads with these ignorant drivers.

[LiquidTurbo]

Too much "I'm the best driver in the world, everyone else sucks" mentality in here.

Personally I wouldn't mind a quick computer test on renewal. If it shows that you've forgotten basics, then its a reminder to go brush up on some things.

It would be extremely easy if you knew the rules of the road. What is there to be afraid of, you are supposed to know the rules anyway. I wouldn't be in favor of a road exam... it would kind of be a logistical problem for ICBC.

However, I would be in favor of Cops instead of giving tickets for money, giving tickets to dangerous drivers saying they need to re-take an exam. Far too much dangerous driving out there.

That guy who hit Matsuda at a red light is a prime example of accidents that really shouldn't be happening.

[twitchyzero]

^ they'll never be able to pay off the Olympics debt then

[Gumby]

Sure, I'd be in favour of some sort of re-test when renewing one's DL.

[taylor192]

I wouldn't be in favor of a road exam... it would kind of be a logistical problem for ICBC.

However, I would be in favor of Cops instead of giving tickets for money, giving tickets to dangerous drivers saying they need to re-take an exam. Far too much dangerous driving out there.
Other countries get around this problem by licensing driving schools to administer the programs, and the number of schools/courses will self-adjust to the demand.

Some states allow you to take a course rather than have the ticket go on your record. I think this would be an awesome alternative to the "bad driver" ticket you suggest - although I am definitely in favour of cops being able to hand out "you suck, retest" tickets.

[Greenstoner]

be realistic my friend

[zulutango]

Those of you who have raised points about the content of the motorcycle training courses, the skill evels required, the unrestricted access to every motorcycle etc. , will be happy to hear that all these very points are being worked on. You have seen some of the results in Bill 14 and there is much more to come in a fairly short time.

[taylor192]

Those of you who have raised points about the content of the motorcycle training courses, the skill evels required, the unrestricted access to every motorcycle etc. , will be happy to hear that all these very points are being worked on. You have seen some of the results in Bill 14 and there is much more to come in a fairly short time.

I used a motorcycle as the example since I just went through it. You can apply all my points about motorcycles equally to cars (well... except leaning!). The German licensing system has just as many instruction hour requirements for cars as it does for motorcycles.