[LiquidTurbo]

Most people might not have known but about a month ago, there was a sinking of a South Korean Warship.

Now independent international investigators have concluded that it was caused by a North Korean Torpedo.

The south korean president vowed to take "resolute countermeasures" against north korea. North korean officials are accusing south korea of forging evidence and threaten with "severe consequences up to total war" in case of repercussions or sanctions.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/south.korea.sunken.ship/t1larg.ship.afp.gi.jpg

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/south.korea.sunken.ship/index.html

The beginnings of World War 3? Another Gulf of Tonkin Incident? It doesn't take a degree in Poli Sci to see how this could easily spiral out of control.

[Jsunu]

I can't see this as a another world war. I do see the potential for a north south conflict... which would be probably resolved through talks.

[jpark]

the saddest part about this terrible accident was that the sacrifices of the navy was used by political campaign, so terrible

[Ducdesmo]

The world is a mess right now and its only gonna get messier.

[asian_XL]

WW3? pfft. Everyone is busy with their own economy. UN probably only says shit like no food for you in the next 3 yrs. I bet Lee Myung-bak will only tell the north kimchis "hey, you, don't do it again or I'll call for help" what can they fucking do.

[Death2Theft]

Who needs a world war when eco terrorists now can blow up a couple oil rigs and hold the worlds drinking water for ransom.

[SpuGen]

WW3? pfft. Everyone is busy with their own economy. UN probably only says shit like no food for you in the next 3 yrs. I bet Lee Myung-bak will only tell the north kimchis "hey, you, don't do it again or I'll call for help" what can they fucking do.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/173-1217120854-war-bonds-with-Nazi-bomber-002.jpg

[tiger_handheld]

Who needs a world war when eco terrorists now can blow up a couple oil rigs and hold the worlds drinking water for ransom.

who needs eco terrorizors when oil rigs blow up themselves, and hold worlds drinking water for ransom -- all by themselves.

[PavelGTR]

They should settle it with a game of Starcraft.

[AzNightmare]

This issue is too minor for WW3.

[LiquidTurbo]

They should settle it with a game of Starcraft.

North Koreans don't play SC, noob.

[ziggyx]

They should settle it with a game of Starcraft.

lol I think south Korea would own north Korea

[Blinky]

The beginnings of World War 3? Another Gulf of Tonkin Incident? It doesn't take a degree in Poli Sci to see how this could easily spiral out of control.

N and S Korea are still (technically) at war.

[jpark]

They should settle it with a game of Starcraft.

:haha::haha:, dont forget star craft '2'

[AzNightmare]

North Koreans don't play SC, noob.

They probably do... not like they would let anyone outside of N. Korea know about it.

[unit]

holy fuck look at that crane!!

[Toeknee]

Why call WW3 when I don't see how this would lead to the rest of the world fighting?

[twitchyzero]

if this does lead into warfare
would prc jump in and help out the north?

[TOPEC]

is that a really really big crane, or a really really small "war" ship

[jackmeister]

if this does lead into warfare
would prc jump in and help out the north?

no way.
PRC would probably just load up on the border to provide some "official" moral support. But really, they're just gonna be there to prevent the flood of migrants from entering China

[iwantaskyline]

Who needs a world war when eco terrorists now can blow up a couple oil rigs and hold the worlds drinking water for ransom.

We drink salt water?

[RacePace]

if this does lead into warfare
would prc jump in and help out the north?

Doubt it, even they are tiring of North Korea.

[StylinRed]

When news first spread about the incident it seemed like everyone assumed North Korea attacked them.... but here's the thing, no one cares... or more precisely no one dares to care; so they left it strictly between North and South to deal with the matter

The USA will stay inbetween them but if the South decides its going to war over the incident (it wont) you can definitely expect the USA to advise against it but if they choose to go through with it it would mean an end to US defense of the border

the USA can't afford the wars its in let alone another one which will bring China into it; you won't see events which led to WW2 happen again especially when there's no interest for the Bigger parties

[Hehe]

no way.
PRC would probably just load up on the border to provide some "official" moral support. But really, they're just gonna be there to prevent the flood of migrants from entering China

Although rumor has it that Kim Jong-Il went to China asking for support and China rejected it, it's hard to say that China will stay neutral/allied with US when US/NATO will be hovering over near their soil.

Heck, this might be the only chance for China to become world superpower as history has shown, every time the superpower changes, it takes a war to do that.

[b-dub]

There won't be a WW3 as long as Obama's in the house. He's too anti-war.

[dachinesedude]

WW3 over a sunken warship? oh plz

If NK dropped bombs on Seoul, diff story

[q0192837465]

If there is a WW3, it'll be over in an instant. I'm not too worried cuz chances are I'll live or I'll get vaporized in half a second.

[jackmeister]

Although rumor has it that Kim Jong-Il went to China asking for support and China rejected it, it's hard to say that China will stay neutral/allied with US when US/NATO will be hovering over near their soil.

Heck, this might be the only chance for China to become world superpower as history has shown, every time the superpower changes, it takes a war to do that.

If they go to war:
China's most likely gonna stay neutral until North Korea is almost destroyed, then join the allies. That way they get a piece of North Korea when it gets demolished.

If its all talk:
China probably will "officially" denounce North Korea of their actions, and then continue with their aid.

No way would China try to throw the military behind this blindly. They have too much to lose if they openly support anything against USA/Allies etc. China is already a superpower, its not just the nukes and planes anymore. The only thing they really have to do to cause worldwide mayhem (other than shooting nukes) would be just to dump their US dollar holdings.

[El Bastardo]

I wouldn't give China that much credit. The USA has recovered from worse economic problems and became much stronger because of it. If China decides to yank the cord the US could always pull a Germany and artificially inflate it's economy temporarily.

[SpuGen]

China has helped Korea in so many wars in the past, and they got screwed every time.
I doubt they'll do it again.

[keitaro]

One of the better article that I have read regarding the situation. Ironically its from Al Jazeera...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/05/2010520183430460802.html


US warns N Korea of consequences

Investigators said the evidence gathered provided 'no other plausible explanation' [AFP]
The US has said that there will "definately be consequences" for the alleged torpeadoing of a South Korean warship by North Korea.

PJ Crowley, a US state department spokesman, said on Thursday that the act in March was "unprovoked and unwarranted".

"Clearly this was a serious provocation by North Korea and there will definitely be consequences because of what North Korea has done," Crowly said.

However, Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, later said South Korea will be in the lead in deciding how to respond, although he said that the US navy and airforce could be in a position to help.

Gates denied that the navy and airforce were overstretched by the US' wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, also said that even though tensions had risen in the region, American forces in South Korea were not on a heightened state of readiness.

An investigation team, which included experts from the US, Britain and Sweden, said there was overwhelming evidence that the explosion that sank the Cheonan warship in the disputed Yellow Sea border on March 26 was caused by a torpedo from a North Korean submarine .

It said markings in Korea's Hangeul script were found on salvaged parts and matched markings on a stray North Korean torpedo recovered by the South seven years ago.

There has been angry reaction in Seoul and condemnation from the UN, the US and Japan.

Pyongynag said the investigation was a "sheer fabrication" and has warned of "full scale" war if new sanctions are imposed upon the country.

The White House, calling the report "objective and scientific", strongly condemned the deadly attack.

Tighter sanctions

Steve Chao, Al Jazeera's correspondent in the South Korean capital, said the report had major implications in terms of North-South relations, as well as the region.


Etchings on salvaged parts matched those on a North Korean torpedo recovered earlier [AFP]
"The South Korean president is expected to approach the UN Security Council to call for tighter sanctions against the North, a call that is already seeing support from Seoul's allies," he said.

"In recent days the South Korean government has been presenting this evidence to a number of countries to gather support.

"We've already heard support from strong allies such as Australia, the US and Japan."

The North Korean National Defence Commission, in a statement on the official news agency, said it will send its own investigators to the South to check the purported evidence.

"Our army and people will promptly react to any 'punishment' and 'retaliation' and to any 'sanctions' infringing upon our state interests with various forms of tough measures including an all-out war," it said.

The commission, the North's top decision-making body, repeated denials of involvement and threatened "all-out war" in response to any punitive measures such as sanctions.

It accused the South's conservative government of using the incident for political gain and to worsen already chilly ties between the two Koreas, which have yet to sign a formal peace treaty to end their 1950-53 war.

'Perfect match'

The investigation team said the Cheonan was split apart by a shockwave and bubble effect produced by the underwater explosion of a 250 kilogramme North Korean torpedo.

It said torpedo parts recovered including the propellers, propulsion motor and a steering section "perfectly match the schematics of the CHT-02D torpedo included in introductory brochures provided to foreign countries by North Korea for export purposes".

"The evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that the torpedo was fired by a North Korean submarine," the joint civilian and military investigation team said.

"There is no other plausible explanation."

Intelligence gathered with the South's allies - the US, Britain and Australia - showed North Korean submarines were likely in operation near the scene of the sinking, with similar vessels of other neighbouring countries all inside their territorial waters.

"Based on all such relevant facts and classified analysis, we have reached the clear conclusion that [South Korea's] Cheonan was sunk as a result of an external underwater explosion caused by a torpedo made in North Korea," the report said.

The North refuses to accept the borderline drawn in the Yellow Sea, where the Cheonan went down.

The area was the scene of deadly clashes in 1999 and 2002 and of a firefight last November that left a North Korean boat in flames.
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images//2010/5/20/201052034210610621_5.jpg
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images//2010/5/20/201052032557625734_9.jpg

[tegz]

One conspiracy is that the US sunk the S. korean ship to provoke war between N. korea and S. korea lol

[Ducdesmo]

One conspiracy is that the US sunk the S. korean ship to provoke war between N. korea and S. korea lol

I actually wouldn't doubt that. US wanted to get rid of N.Korea's nukes for a long time now.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/inside-americas-mock-attack-north-korea/

[CP.AR]

They probably do... not like they would let anyone outside of N. Korea know about it.

Kim Jong Il is probably a master lurching around Bnet with the username
"SUPREMERULER"

[FerrariEnzo]

thats a really tiny warship... no wuner it got sunk!


LETS PLAY BATTLESHIP!

[orange7]

at least Canada won't get dragged into it.

[Tegra_Devil]

meh, there will be some nuking...and the damn radiation will drift over here to vancouver with some weird weather pattern....

[tool001]

did anybody look at the map where this happened. why the fuck would u go so close to NK,when u know they liked to be provoked. anyhow talking to some korean friends.. they say South Korean public themselves are skeptical about NK involvement.

http://media.stratfor.com/mmf/e/7/e775d5d510ee071b0e31c64e384593ed2eb75abc.jpg

[orange7]

^

so it was south korea's fault for sailing so close to north korea?

[Senna4ever]

thats a really tiny warship... no wuner it got sunk!!
The picture shows the stern half of the ship.

[mb_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpjgl2baLs

[danned]

who cares about obama, JIM just care about wars

[Acura604]

THing is...s kOREa has to do something... 46 people died here... not sure if this can continue as a 'war of words'.

[tool001]

THing is...s kOREa has to do something... 46 people died here... not sure if this can continue as a 'war of words'.

specially because Elections are coming up soon

[ImportPsycho]

thats a really tiny warship... no wuner it got sunk!


LETS PLAY BATTLESHIP!


that's rear half of the ship



did anybody look at the map where this happened. why the fuck would u go so close to NK,when u know they liked to be provoked. anyhow talking to some korean friends.. they say South Korean public themselves are skeptical about NK involvement.

http://media.stratfor.com/mmf/e/7/e775d5d510ee071b0e31c64e384593ed2eb75abc.jpg

island just above X is SK land, there are SKoreans living there, NK should bomb that island too since it's too close?
NK navy vessles cross down the line all the time


THing is...s kOREa has to do something... 46 people died here... not sure if this can continue as a 'war of words'.

that's really frustrating, what could they do? SK has too much to lose
all they can do is just talk talk talk, send more rice and cattle :mad:

[slammer111]

I'm surprised nobody has called North Korea's bluff about "all-out war" to be honest. They've been bluffing for decades. How are they going to keep feeding their armies if food is cut off?

I'm amazed the superpowers put up with this kind of junk. DPRK's like a bratty spoiled kid.

[maxx]

Tomorrow Never Dies anyone?

hah

[nipples]

China would never be for a war. They need the buffer nk provides right now. Nothing will change...nk and sk will always be divided. The only one who wants the unification would be the usa...to be on china's doorstep.
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[freakshow]

I think asian_XL is using all of his daily fails on this thread..

[elwell]

ww3!

[no_clue]

If a war happens, whatever. After the war ends, time to buy some prime real estate in destroyed pyongyang and seoul. Long term wise, imagine the strength of the Korean economy after it is united.

remember kids, always an opportunity to be made in a tragedy!

[Hehe]

China would never be for a war. They need the buffer nk provides right now. Nothing will change...nk and sk will always be divided. The only one who wants the unification would be the usa...to be on china's doorstep.


I don't think NK/SK will stay divided forever. I mean, the very similar thought was in place a couple of decade before when wall of Berlin was still up. East and West Germany would never unify. Look what happened at the end. The East was so bad economically, they basically gave up. The brain drain on the West side was too much to encounter.

Now NK ppl are not given the chance. But imagine if a war (despite any scale) happens and SK began to absorb North Korean, it won't take long before North Korea gives up. All the "our great leader" talk is propaganda to the western world. One of my best friend, a SKorean with family in NK says people in NK are loyal to the leadership, but only to certain extend.

NK already screwed their people recently with the intro of new bills. If SK begins to welcome NKorean to come, you will see a lot of NKorean rush to the 38th parallel. I mean, at least people who are almost starving to death will move.

[dizzystar]

cold war part 2, russia and us ww3

[twitchyzero]

all the tools failing other people's input can post their rebuttals or you just look like idiots when it comes to political differences

[nipples]

What people in nk??? You guys don't get it. There are NO people in nk!!! It's just KJI! Like a lonely Cartman, he's sitting there playing by himself! All the people in nk are actually maniquins rigged with bombs!

If sk or usa invade...and "free" the nks...they're all going to go off and kji wins!

Everyone knows this. Hell, the whole dmz is just a sham too! Nk is the tree fort, sk is the ground, and the dmz is the 15ft in between!
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[Synarchist]

Sad to say, NK will always be a buffer zone for China until US/UK goes to war with China/Russia.

[Synarchist]

It doesnt gain SK/NK anything whatsoever to go to war with each other. But everything to gain for the US, especially in acquiring one of the most strategic military zones for them. I just hope SK doesnt fall for the torpedo setup. (chances are they probably will succumb to the pressure) WW3.. really?

[91LS-VTak]

I may be mistaken on this, but doesn't North Korea have a ton of artillery pieces right on their side of the DMZ? That would be enough of a deterrant to stop South Korea from attacking, as they may fear that NK would level Seoul and other cities in range of their artillery.

There have been numerous incidents over the years, this one will blow over like all the rest have.

[Onassis]

Well, to look on a brighter side of war it would probably end the world recession if it doesn't kill us all.

[ImportPsycho]

If a war happens, whatever. After the war ends, time to buy some prime real estate in destroyed pyongyang and seoul. Long term wise, imagine the strength of the Korean economy after it is united.

remember kids, always an opportunity to be made in a tragedy!

"When there's blood on the streets, buy property" - inside man :thumbsup:

[nipples]

I may be mistaken on this, but doesn't North Korea have a ton of artillery pieces right on their side of the DMZ? That would be enough of a deterrant to stop South Korea from attacking, as they may fear that NK would level Seoul and other cities in range of their artillery.

There have been numerous incidents over the years, this one will blow over like all the rest have.

Not really. In the past, NK has simply been acting like a retarded child bargaining for what it wants - food, aid, starcraft leaks/hacks. And almost each and every time they've gotten it. Except for when SK joined the war games last year. Neither the usa nor sk backed down.
This time it's different since NK's actions are a reaction to what they say is a set up.

[LiquidTurbo]

Not really. In the past, NK has simply been acting like a retarded child bargaining for what it wants - food, aid, starcraft leaks/hacks. And almost each and every time they've gotten it. Except for when SK joined the war games last year. Neither the usa nor sk backed down.
This time it's different since NK's actions are a reaction to what they say is a set up.

:haha:

[jstn86]

they will not/can't go to war.

south korean economy will go to shits (it's already bad enough) and south korea has too much to lose. north korea doesn't care if they go to war and south isn't dumb enough to fall for it. although the president is kinda.. retarded

south korea just filed for tougher sanctions on north korea through UN, including banning all economic trades (canada supports south korea) and they might even push for restricting all north korean ship movements so they can't sell their weapons anymore.

but unlike the south koreans in korea who thinks it's a conspircy, i think the north is crazy enough to shoot a torpedo. those fuckers killed some US soldiers back in the 70's with an AXE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_Murder_Incident

[SpuGen]

http://www.allkpop.com/2010/05/south-korea-starts-border-propaganda-war-with-4minute

Apparently South Korea is fighting back.. with a pop song.

On May 24th, President Lee Myung Bak of South Korea addressed the nation over the sinking of the Cheonan and vowed retaliatory action against North Korea after investigations showed that they were responsible.

The retaliatory actions outlined will not be an all-out war on their neighbours up north but through economic sanctions and the resuming of psychological warfare along the border. So what has this got to do with K-pop and 4minute?

From an excerpt of a report written by Bomi Lee @ Bloomberg,

“South Korea broadcast a pop song extolling freedom of choice and a warning on the dangers of overeating into North Korea, ending a six-year moratorium on propaganda in retaliation for the sinking of a warship…

The propaganda broadcast made on FM radio began at 6 p.m. local time yesterday when a woman anchor announced what she called the “voice of freedom.” North Korean listeners were regaled with a song by a South Korean girl band, Four Minute.

In the tune, “Huh,” the band sings: “When I say I want to appear on TV, when I say I want to become prettier, everybody says I can’t do it. Baby, you’re kidding me? I do as I please…”

The South Korean government is using the lyrics off 4minute’s latest hit song, Huh to take a dig at the regulated North Korean regime, by saying that you can’t do anything in North Korea as you wish and that there’s no freedom at all. But in South Korea, you can do as you please without being controlled (somewhat).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHfSkbTAm0U

[LiquidTurbo]

^ :facepalm:

[Tapioca]

I don't think NK/SK will stay divided forever. I mean, the very similar thought was in place a couple of decade before when wall of Berlin was still up. East and West Germany would never unify. Look what happened at the end. The East was so bad economically, they basically gave up. The brain drain on the West side was too much to encounter.


You can't really compare East Germany to North Korea. It was far easier to defect and learn about the West behind the Iron Curtain than it is for the average North Korean today.


NK already screwed their people recently with the intro of new bills. If SK begins to welcome NKorean to come, you will see a lot of NKorean rush to the 38th parallel. I mean, at least people who are almost starving to death will move.

The military is fiercely loyal to the regime because for the foot soldiers, being in the military is their meal ticket. As long as the leadership appears to be strong in the middle of a war/crisis, the military will remain loyal (i.e. they will shoot anyone trying to make a run for the border.)

[Vansterdam]

lol that song is fail

[StylinRed]

there a report i read saying that the South Korean sinking was from a US mine or even missile

since it happened in an area in which the US has a heavy military presence; there's a anti-submarine warfare base of the USAs @ the location of the sinking (there was actually a anti-submarine warfare demonstration @ the location days prior to the sinking)

China dismissed the official story by South Korea/USA

North Korea supposedly doesn't have the tech to build a stealth submarine

etc etc check it out, its a long read; i didnt even bother reading it all
http://newamericamedia.org/2010/05/did-an-american-mine-sink-the-south-korean-ship.php

[jackmeister]

8 and a half years ago I heard the same bullshit except it was Saddam and Weapons of Mass Destruction instead of Kim Jung Il and torpedos

speaking of which, doesn't a torpedo explode? how the hell can something be written on it and survive an explosion?

[oinkoinkpig]

^ maybe kim jong il's torpedos are just for show

[El Bastardo]

http://www.newsweek.com/content/newsweek/photo/2010/05/27/north-korea-propaganda-art/_jcr_content/body/photogallery/image1.img.jpg/1274891474242.jpg

[danned]

are we starting ww3?

[StylinRed]

http://www.newsweek.com/content/newsweek/photo/2010/05/27/north-korea-propaganda-art/_jcr_content/body/photogallery/image1.img.jpg/1274891474242.jpg


You know whats amazing about North Korea??? all those insanely well painted propaganda pieces...

sure its propaganda but the paintings themselves are insanely well done

[Brianrietta]

speaking of which, doesn't a torpedo explode? how the hell can something be written on it and survive an explosion?


It doesn't completely disintegrate if that's what you're thinking. The explosive charge would fragment the metal, likely destroying much of it but I'd imagine that fragments of multiple sizes would survive.

[JaSoN_520]

I was told that NKs are automatically given SK citizenship if they manage to set foot on SK soil. The problem is getting out of NK... Typically it's done indirectly through China. They just don't let you leave NK that easily...

[StylinRed]

yes thats true ^^^ there's lots of documentaries etc about it; there's even been a few threads on here about that.

Certainly if there were no choking economic restrictions on NK less people would probably want to leave

[JD¹³]

What a waste of time and resources this all is. The SEALS, SAS, JTF-2 etc should just collaborate on a mission to simultaneously pick off Jong-Il and all the other top leaders in the regime. Make it look like an inside job as a coup, instantly end the standoff overnight. Dealing with this moron and his country that's been on it's deathbed since it's inception is a complete waste of energy politically, socially, and militarily. It's been propped up by others since day 1, it will collapse, get it over with.

[XtC-604]

who cares, let them kill eachother.

[no_clue]

im ready to buy some land in downtown pyongyang. Hurry up and get rid of kim jong il