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Israel Murders Members of Aid Flotilla
edit: # of deaths up to 19 so far
So there's this huge group of international ppl (hundreds of doctors, former government officials/congressman of the US/UK etc, activists, hippies, university students etc) who are always trying to bring Aid into the Gaza Strip through the sea
This time around there were 700ish people in 7 ships bringing in 10k tonnes of Aid
Israel has vowed to deny them entry into Gaza but today they attacked the convoy while it was still in International Waters and killed at least 10 people
Israel claims they were attacked when they stormed the ships like pirates.
The BBC Video shows more Action of them beating some guy and while he tries to push em back he holds the guys gun.. but luckily they didnt shoot him for that (at least it wasnt recorded)
Israel offered to deliver the aid themselves on their own grounds
Israel allows 15k Tonnes of aid to flow into Gaza every Week; However the United Nations & The Red Cross says that is far below the necessary levels (they say 15k tonnes a week is only 1/4 of what is needed for all the people living in there)
edit: this Flotilla was allowed through safely, numerous times in the past... and there was never any attack by members on board why would they use knives, axes, guns (as Israel is now claiming) this time?
Also there was Live-Streaming of the confrontation by the Aid Flotilla and filming done by the Israeli Military and there was no indication of aid members with weapons/let alone guns.. there was evidence of some resistance (from being beaten)
edit2: Nobel Laureate, Holocaust Survivors, European Officials confirmed Aboard
somewhat of a disclaimer: made the post the moment the story hit the news so my postings are somewhat emotional + perhaps incoherent; but i won't edit the posts or else i'll get flamed for changing em
License to kill in international waters? Since when did blockading AID was legal?
All Arabs better figure out to settle their differences and show Israel who's boss there. They're just taking advantage of the fact that the Middle East very disorganized.
Last edited by jackmeister; 05-31-2010 at 12:01 AM.
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lol whut
i meant the israelis acted like pirates (attacking/storming a fleet of ships in international waters)
The Israeli officials are now saying they were fired upon as well
The news is saying "off the coast of Israel, in international waters" but GPS data is shown (granted its from the Charities website) That the flotilla was much closer to the coast of Cyprus
edit: Israels Foreign Affairs department is saying This Flotilla is associated with terrorist groups; and the Humanitarian Aid was not for Humanitarian purposes... ROFL; there are European MLAs etc on board...
The Foreign Affairs dpt. is now saying if they allowed Humanitarian aid through it would mean the deaths of many many thousands of people... jesus christ
Tune into The BBC you can hear this clown
They're refusing to reply to statements about The United Nations and the The Red Cross saying there is no where near enough Aid going through
All I wanna know is where the fuck was the Turkish army through all this, a few hours ago I was reading something where they vowed they would protect the ships possibly with military support, and I was fully expecting some Call of Duty cargo tanker type shit to happen. Guess they pussied out last second, I'm ashamed to have turkish blood runnin through my veins on this day
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^^^^ if you went to the BBC site and watched the video like i said you'd see the full clip of that scene and that soldier was severely beating someone on board and was pushing him into that room... when that person started whacking him with a stick
and i even made mention of the incident in my OP "luckily they didn't shoot him"
Also you're dismissing the fact that they attacked the ship in the middle of the night in International Waters... that's like saying Japanese fisherman retaliating against whaling activists is wrong...
Or people defending themselves against Somali pirates is wrong...
(the video also doesnt show who attacked, physically, first; however Israels boarding IS a form of attack considering the international waters)
edit: in regards to Israel allowing 1/4 of the minimum aid needed for the Gaza Strip inside; Israel doesn't allow construction materials (cement, tools, lumber, u name it) into the area... this is after Israel blew the majority of Gaza into rubble...
supposedly they don't allow coffee and treats into the area as well (so its weeded out of aid packages)
They didn't attack the soldiers at all brah. You're totally right. /sarcasm
@jackmeister, lol dude you're a fucking fool
i'm glad a shaky video and some random video that could have been shot anywhere is purpotrated as evidence.
I can't believe your back with your so pro-zionist views. I'm glad you believe that israel can just call any group "pro islamist, link to al-queda"... it seems to be the general cop out today to justify any action.
i'm glad a shaky video and some random video that could have been shot anywhere is purpotrated as evidence.
I can't believe your back with your so pro-zionist views. I'm glad you believe that israel can just call any group "pro islamist, link to al-queda"... it seems to be the general cop out today to justify any action.
YOU'RE THE TOOL.
The part with the idiot hitting the soldier was taken from BBC news. You can go on their site and view it.
I'm kinda confused as to why you can't believe im back with my pro-zionist views, im pro-zionist. I'm not really surprised at you coming back with ani-zionist views in every thread.
It has nothing to do with "Pro islamist, link to al-queda." You might be a fucking racist, which most greeks i've met are, but other people aren't like that. It has nothing to do with the group supporting islam, and I doubt they were linked to al-queda. It has to do with them entering a blockaded area. They were instructed to go to the port of Ashdod. Once checked for weapons and the likes, that aid will be transferred to Gaza through the land crossings, UNDER the supervision of the people who were on the boat.
This whole entourage of idiots was just there to instigate shit. They literally had the opportunity to get the aid to Gaza under their supervision and with no confrontation, but they chose to confront the Israeli army. AND, they attack Israeli soldiers that board their ships.
According to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, of 12 June 1994, Section 98:
"Merchant vessels believed on reasonable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be captured. Merchant vessels which, after prior warning, clearly resist capture may be attacked."
There are no winners in the Israel/Palestine fights. The biggest losers, however, seem to be the Palestinian civilians. Not being allowed to build homes because the materials are the same as that to build bunkers bites ass. Not having enough food, or the ability to build up an economy because factories that build electronics or vehicles can be repurposed for the military.
I am not saying that there is any right or wrong in this discussion as far as we can decide, not having been there ourselves. For those of you who have lived there, please speak up--I'd be really interested to see how it is on both sides of the lines.
The question I have is how much of the stuff that was sent by ship was going to be let through if they did land appropriately? How much would get denied?
Also, another question: Are humanitarian aid vessels considered merchant vessels? It seems that given there were politicians on the ships that they were at least to an extent sponsored by legitemate States, so can the argument that they were aid vessels be made?
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m!chael Israel doesn't allow construction materials into Gaza; they refuse it as "aid" even though Israel destroyed/damaged almost all buildings in Gaza.
The Flotillas Aid materials included Mobile Housing, construction materials, medicine, etc. Israel WOULDN'T ALLOW this through.
Israel limits the aid into Gaza @ 10-15k Tonnes a week (they include energy as a part of that tonnage).. The United Nations and the International Red Cross as well as numerous other humanitarian organizations state that this is @ most One Quarter (1/4) Of the Minimum Aid NEEDED for the amount and condition of the people in Gaza
Pro-Israelis and the Israeli government refuse to address this... they just dismiss it and state that "we allow aid through".
Pro-Israelis ALSO dismiss the fact that Israel attacked civilian charity ships IN International Waters... do they not realize how outrageous that is???
But then Israel is always doing the outrageous and ignoring international law and no one cares; so i guess they figure they would get away with this too.
CTV news showed a local BC man is on the aid flotilla i think he's a part of a Jews For Free Palestine group (or named something similar to that) they showed his groups protest and they were carrying a big sign saying that.
It's not known if he's dead or alive.
edit: imagine if Iran attacked an International Aid Fleet in International Waters
m!chael Israel doesn't allow construction materials into Gaza; they refuse it as "aid" even though Israel destroyed/damaged almost all buildings in Gaza.
The Flotillas Aid materials included Mobile Housing, construction materials, medicine, etc. Israel WOULDN'T ALLOW this through.
Israel limits the aid into Gaza @ 10-15k Tonnes a week (they include energy as a part of that tonnage).. The United Nations and the International Red Cross as well as numerous other humanitarian organizations state that this is @ most One Quarter (1/4) Of the Minimum Aid NEEDED for the amount and condition of the people in Gaza
Pro-Israelis and the Israeli government refuse to address this... they just dismiss it and state that "we allow aid through".
Pro-Israelis ALSO dismiss the fact that Israel attacked civilian charity ships IN International Waters... do they not realize how outrageous that is???
But then Israel is always doing the outrageous and ignoring international law and no one cares; so i guess they figure they would get away with this too.
CTV news showed a local BC man is on the aid flotilla i think he's a part of a Jews For Free Palestine group (or named something similar to that) they showed his groups protest and they were carrying a big sign saying that.
It's not known if he's dead or alive.
Construction material is not allowed into Gaza because Hamas uses it to build bunkers and launch pads for rockets.
The infrastructure in Gaza was damaged as a result of Israel responding to the thousands of rockets which were launched into it's southern area.
It's funny how Hamas can smuggle in Arms and rockets but not food for it's people. And for real, If Gaza can have olympic sized pools and fine dining restaurants, I'm pretty sure it has the ability to take care of it's people. Too bad it chooses not too.
Brah, if you use the international waters argument one more time I'm gonna build a machine that allows me to bitch slap people over the internet and then use it to bitch slap you. Look at the law I highlighted in my previous post. It doesn't matter if it's international waters. Those ships were approaching blockaded waters and were refusing to change their course.
How fucking stupid do you have to be. Seriously.
To be honest, you strike me as the type of guy who would start coming onto my property after I've repeatedly told you not to, and then go cry to your mommy when i knock you out for it.
Israel get's away with shit. The international magnifying glass is always on Israel, even though i can probably find ten other countries doing much worse things at this moment. Not saying that it justifies any wrong doing Israel does, I'm just saying you shouldn't say that Israel gets away with shit.
I could care less that he's from BC or that hes a part of that group. I dislike people dying no matter where they're from.
Last thing I want to say. If Palestinians in Gaza decided to stop supporting terrorism, their lives could improve dramatically. Not saying that all Gaza residents support terrorism, I'm sure plenty of them are moderates. If you actually go to the West Bank you will see that life there is much better than most places in the middle east and as much as they like complaining, they do enjoy their freedoms and quality of life.
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greek people have been killed, huge protest on granville.
israel is not getting out of this one easily.
there was a huge protest group that was going around on facebook but it has seemed to vanish off my facebook
lol..israel doesn't give a fuck about what the international communities think
all you people can "condemn" it and hate it all you want...as long as it doesn't affect them in a realistic and materials way, they don't give a shit
and israel has such powerful military strength, no countries will want to confront it physically
kinda reminds of a thing I read about hilter....hilter will agree and sign any agreement or peace treaty to please you...after all it is just a signature, and that wouldn't make any difference when his tanks roll up your front door.
67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
Fact is, that "Aid Flotilla" knowingly set sail towards waters that were blocked. If they diverted into Israel and offloaded there where the "aid" was to be searched then moved by land into Gaza, like offered by Israel, this situation would have never happened. The people on that Turk boat were just looking to get into a confrontation.
Fact is, that "Aid Flotilla" knowingly set sail towards waters that were blocked. If they diverted into Israel and offloaded there where the "aid" was to be searched then moved by land into Gaza, like offered by Israel, this situation would have never happened. The people on that Turk boat were just looking to get into a confrontation.
Most countries do not recognize the blockade. Countries cannot just throw up blockades and expect everyone to follow. The US hasn't even said the blockage is legal.
"Members of the UN Security Council have condemned Israel ahead of an emergency session over Israel's deadly raid on a flotilla of ships carrying aid to Gaza."
"Many - including veto-wielding members France, Russia and China - also demanded an end to the Israeli blockade on Gaza which the aid ships were trying to break."
""The US is deeply disturbed by the recent violence and regrets the tragic loss of life and injury suffered among those involved in the incident last night, aboard the Gaza bound ships," he said. :
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m!chael your whole post basically says "i dont care" and includes some false & generalized information along with assumptions.
That's why MajinHurricane called you a "tool" and stopped it there because he'd be short of killing himself if he tried explaining it to you.. It'd be like telling this guy :noob: why he's a tool or telling :IDL why he isn't a balla there's just no way
The mere fact that other areas of the world may face harsher conditions is moot and contestable.
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How fucking stupid do you have to be. Seriously.
To be honest, you strike me as the type of guy who would start coming onto my property after I've repeatedly told you not to, and then go cry to your mommy when i knock you out for it.
That's also erroneous Gaza isn't Yours (israels); a more realistic example would be...
I'm walking on the sidewalk headed towards your neighbours House... you run out and tell me to fuck off and while your doing so your already beating me.
they weren't "breaching a blockade" you have to realize legalize is very specific and they weren't breaching anything @ that time.
(granted in law there are points that are too general; but they are heavily contested/ridiculed and eventually readdressed)
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Once Again the USA steps in to protect Israels actions
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Security Council calls for impartial investigation of Israel's deadly raid on flotilla
The Associated Press Jun 01, 2010 07:09:55 AM
The U.N. Security Council called early Tuesday for an ``impartial'' investigation of Israel's deadly commando raid on ships taking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip and condemned the ``acts'' that resulted in the loss of at least nine lives.
After an emergency meeting and marathon negotiations that lasted nearly 12 hours, the 15 council members finally agreed on a presidential statement. It was weaker than what was initially demanded ... because of objections by the United States, Israel's closest ally...
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Some passengers are returning and those who are politicians got some words out
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Eyewitness accounts from ships raided by Israeli commandos have cast doubt on Israel's version of events that led to the deaths of at least 10 people.
German pro-Palestinian activist Norman Paech said he had only seen wooden sticks being brandished as troops abseiled on to the deck of the ship.
Israel says its soldiers were attacked with "knives, clubs and other weapons" and opened fire in self defence.
The raid led to widespread condemnation and the UN has called for an inquiry.
The six ships, carrying aid and campaigners, had sailed from Cyprus in a bid to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"This was not an act of self-defence," said Mr Paech, a politician, as he arrived back in Berlin wrapped in a blue blanket.
"Personally I saw two and a half wooden batons that were used... There was really nothing else. We never saw any knives.
"This was an attack in international waters on a peaceful mission... This was a clear act of piracy," he added.
Mr Paech had been a passenger on the Turkish passenger ship Mavi Marmara where most, if not all, of the deaths occurred.
Fellow German activist Inge Hoeger said they had been on the ships "for peaceful purposes".
"We wanted to transport aid to Gaza," she said. "No-one had a weapon."
She added: "We were aware that this would not be a simple cruise across the sea to deliver the goods to Gaza. But we did not count on this kind of brutality."
Activist Bayram Kalyon, arriving back in Istanbul, had also been a passenger on the Mavi Marmara.
"The captain... told us 'They are firing randomly, they are breaking the windows and entering inside. So you should get out of here as soon as possible'. That was our last conversation with him."
Meanwhile, in Nazareth, Israeli Arab MP Haneen Zuabi - who was on the flotilla - told a press conference that Israeli forces began firing while still in the helicopters hovering over the ships.
"We are calling for an international committee to investigate this tragedy," she said.
Diplomatic sources in Ankara have said at least four of those killed were Turkish. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the assault was a "bloody massacre" and must be punished. He said Israel should not test Turkey's patience.
UN criticism
Further criticism of Israel came from UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday.
In an interview with the AFP news agency he said Israel's blockade of Gaza was responsible for the deadly raid.
"Had Israelis heeded to my call and to the call of the international community by lifting the blockade of Gaza, this tragic incident would not have happened," he said.
Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen called on Israel to release people and boats it had seized.
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* The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought.
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