[Greenstoner]

So the city made a bike lane on Georgia Viaduct after the Olympic. The bike lane is ridiculous wide and it's about the size of a car lane.

This morning, I saw the bike lane has been extended from Dunsmuir/Beatty all the way to Dunsmuir/Howe.

Now a used to be 3 lanes single way traffic is down to 2 lanes traffic with NO RIGHT TURN except bicycles.

These bikers are taking over the city and I found it very inconvenience to delay a already slow traffic route.

What's your thought ?


edit; They added a curb to split between car and bike, this would help reduce the accident but it takes up a lot of space and dumb biker still riding in car lane.

[hk20000]

my thought is that our government want us all to go back to the stone age.

What they need is allowing scooters to split lanes like Vietnam, then there will be no traffic problems.

If only our scooter riders are as awesome as they are.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

bikers are lame, they deserve to get run over


enough said


skateboarders needs a lane, and so do the motorcycles. next

[lilaznviper]

our mayor is over obsessed with more bike lanes and screwing everyone else over

[Marioo1991]

i think there are too many cons than pros. Sure it will get a few more people to bike to work and it'll be more safe for them, but how about the congestion its causing during rush hour from getting rid of a lane? Not only is it worse for the environment with added polution from cars idling longer, but what about the lost productivity from people taking longer to get to work?

I'm all for biking, but to work? I wear business clothes, and not only would it take longer to get to work, but I would need to pay for a gym in DT so i can shower, I would probably lose an hour of my day if I did all this.

[jaretron]

As an avid bicyclist I concur that the extension of the bike lane from the viaduct west through the city seems to be more of a PR stunt rather than being really useful (I'm OK with how it was). With that said the viaduct bike lane itself has been really nice, they removed the 3rd lane years ago so nothing changed for drivers other than making it way safer and faster for me to get downtown (I would hardly take the viaduct before). Also its "ridiculous wide" because its two way, notice that the east bound Georgia viaduct still has 3 lanes.

And I agree that most bicyclist are lame, they seem to go out of their way to angry at cars... and guess what? most drivers are lame too, especially to bicyclists.
I am obviously and avid driver too (and skateboarder for 20 years ;) and I see both sides but one thing you can't argue is that driving downtown has been lame for years and it had nothing to do with bicyclists, unfortunately there are too many people trying to drive down there and thats the real problem.

So to sum it up, if the city's goal is to reduce the amount of drivers downtown and encourage more people to bike.. its kind of working.

You don't like it? I think that's inevitable when you are fixing a problem, not everyone is going to be happy, but some of us are really happy.

Maybe its time for some of you to buy a skateboard to get around downtown.

[Greenstoner]

skateboard or bike is only good if you live in downtown.
I dont think i will be waking up at 3am and skate my way to downtown from Tri-cities lol

Does anybody know if the city is going to add more bike lanes in every streets in downtown core? If so, the city is gonna be fucked real bad in the future

[jaretron]

i think there are too many cons than pros. Sure it will get a few more people to bike to work and it'll be more safe for them, but how about the congestion its causing during rush hour from getting rid of a lane? Not only is it worse for the environment with added polution from cars idling longer, but what about the lost productivity from people taking longer to get to work?

I'm all for biking, but to work? I wear business clothes, and not only would it take longer to get to work, but I would need to pay for a gym in DT so i can shower, I would probably lose an hour of my day if I did all this.


The thought behind getting rid of the lane is that it will cause enough congestion that it will make the people that could be riding a bike or transit more likely to do so, and it will prevent more new people from driving downtown.

I hear you on the business wear but you could always park near a skytrain, it sucks but the current system is broken.

[jaretron]

skateboard or bike is only good if you live in downtown.
I dont think i will be waking up at 3am and skate my way to downtown from Tri-cities lol

Does anybody know if the city is going to add more bike lanes in every streets in downtown core? If so, the city is gonna be fucked real bad in the future

This is why I choose to live near where I work.

you have a family? Can't afford to live near the city? blah blah blah?
cry me a river. Either find a job close to where you live or move close to where you work. North America is one of the last places on earth where most people drive to work. Look at Tokyo or anywhere in Europe and most people are using trains and public transit to get to where they work. Why? because there are too many people living in a small space, we are heading in that direction and this is the beginning of planning ahead for the future. We can't knock down buildings downtown to make new lanes.

[Marioo1991]

The thought behind getting rid of the lane is that it will cause enough congestion that it will make the people that could be riding a bike or transit more likely to do so, and it will prevent more new people from driving downtown.

I hear you on the business wear but you could always park near a skytrain, it sucks but the current system is broken.

I understand the logic of it, but for a lot of ppl way out in the suburbs it could double commute times, not really something i would want to do...

Even if I park my bike near a skytrain I would still need to shower somewhere. I'm not about to go to work all sweaty, Its not fair to my coworkers.

[Vinny G]

I love biking in my free time but I also wear business clothes to work downtown and biking is not an option for me. I really wonder how much use these lanes are even going to get when (a) it rains like heck every other day and (b) most people that work downtown wear some kind of business formal or business casual attire (plus, who wants to go to work all sweaty?).

Personally, I don't know if this will change much. I NEVER drove downtown as it were unless I had no choice. I think there are fewer people than they think that drive downtown because they want to rather than because they have to.

[jaretron]

When I said park at a skytrain I meant you could drive there in your car wearing your business attire and take the skytrain into downtown.

[Marioo1991]

When I said park at a skytrain I meant you could drive there in your car wearing your business attire and take the skytrain into downtown.

I never said I drive to work

[Greenstoner]

This is why I choose to live near where I work.

you have a family? Can't afford to live near the city? blah blah blah?
cry me a river. Either find a job close to where you live or move close to where you work. North America is one of the last places on earth where most people drive to work. Look at Tokyo or anywhere in Europe and most people are using trains and public transit to get to where they work. Why? because there are too many people living in a small space, we are heading in that direction and this is the beginning of planning ahead for the future. We can't knock down buildings downtown to make new lanes.

You cant really apply this to us. Simply our travel distance will be longer because our city is bigger. Although I never been to Tokyo or Europe but I will use Taiwan as an example, the city is so small and driving in the city sucks. The transit system in Taiwan is much better comparing to Vancouver. Lower cost and more buses/skytrain schduling interval. (I think there is more than 1 bus arrives into the stations when it's at rush hour)

Therefore, with the shorter distance, more buses/skytrain and lower cost of fare. There will be more people willing to use the transit and not to worry about the busy streets.

If i were to use the transit from my house, I have to leave at 5:30 in order to arrive at my work which starts at 8:00 on time.

I save like 30~40 bucks a month if I'm taking the transit, but i also wasted 60 hours every months.

Your theory will work in a perfect world, find a job closer to where you live, housing in downtown...etc. But man, we are not living in a perfect world.

[Expresso]

Pretty much ruined my route to work. The merging lane is essentially gone on the Dunsmuir Viaduct. If you are on the right lane from Main and turning left you pretty much have to merge right away or you'll run into the Bike lane. Add on top, the bike lanes are massive, it makes driving on the viaduct really tight.

[Greenstoner]

Pretty much ruined my route to work. The merging lane is essentially gone on the Dunsmuir Viaduct. If you are on the right lane from Main and turning left you pretty much have to merge right away or you'll run into the Bike lane. Add on top, the bike lanes are massive, it makes driving on the viaduct really tight.

you dont run into bike lane, you run into concrete barrier .. lol

They should get rid of the outter left turn lane on Main st for safety reason, it leaves you no room to yield on a busy hour

[Expresso]

you dont run into bike lane, you run into concrete barrier .. lol

They should get rid of the outter left turn lane on Main st for safety reason, it leaves you no room to yield on a busy hour

LOL pretty much. I agree cause essentially there is room for 3 cars on the outter lane.

[1exotic]

Bikes are for hippies.

[TRD Rs200]

I am really wondering who is running the city of vancouver, a bunch of fking retards?

[slammer111]

^ A bunch of hippies who seem to be doing the most voting around here.

I personally know one of the city councillors. Not sure if he did the Viaduct, but he was the guy behind the Burrard Bridge bike lane. According to him, it's his job to cater to the wishes of the population, and the popular vote/public opinion at the time they did their studies was in support of the bike lane. Yes, many of my friends would like to strangle him too. ;)

So if you don't like it, show up to the COV meetings and voice your opinion!

Gregor Robertson's vision is to have the "greenest city in the world by 2020" if I remember correctly. So yes, all of us in Vancouver consciously voted in a hippie. :rolleyes:

[Noizz]

As if the Burrard Bridge bike lane wasn't enough, I can't believe they made it on the viaduct. The on-ramp to the viaduct is dangerously tight for merging.

IMO, get rid of the concrete barriers and use the bike lane during season. Last December I remember driving on the Burrard Bridge when it was raining and I didn't see one bicyclist. Who the fuck is going to ride a bike in the cold and rain especially in our ever-fluctuating weather. Maybe 1 or 2 avid bicyclists? Meanwhile, inconveniencing 30+ other people in cars.

Just look at the past couple days, we've had rain for the majority of the week, no one is going to ride a bike downtown for work. Along with business attire, this is a really stupid move.

As if carpooling wasn't minimizing traffic, I carpool to work and they've already fucked me over last year with the "bus/cyclist only" lane on Hastings going to downtown. And for the 8 or so months that lane has been implemented, I've only seen a handful of cyclists using it to get to work. Whats the point of carpooling now? The HOV benefit is gone and you have to wait for your other party. Effff this shit

[TOS'd]

I hate that when you are on Main St. about to turn left on to the Georgia Viaduct, that there are 2 lanes turning into the 1 lane on ramp. That shit is so stupid. Causes a traffic jam all the time.

[J____]

what a waste of space and money. Vancouver is such a bad place to bike. everything is spread so far apart. The car to bike ratio makes these lanes no sense whatsoever. Idiots think more ppl will start biking because of that? hell no. Ppl that drive downtown are all from out of the core, no body is going to bike from North Van to downtown just because of a new bike lane, they're making traffic worse for no reason. If you want to bike, then do it like the rest of the world: bike on the car lane. Fuking Canada and it's retarded government. Just like No.3 road and the skytrain, they'll prolly tear out the bike lanes 3 years later to put a highway through downtown core, god i wish they do.

somebody should setup an organization where everyday ppl that needs to go to work get together and all drive in a row in the bike lane protesting WHILE driving to and from work. that way the lane gets put to good use while you protest while going to work. It's like driving in the HOV without having the risk of being pulled over lol. Cops cant pull you over because you're protesting and not destroying anything. win win win!

[b-dub]

Kinda funny how 3rd world countries where there is alot of people is building more roadways for cars, while places like Vancouver does the opposite and builds bike lanes for people that hardly use it and or can only use it 4-5 months in the year. I never see anyone on the burrard street bridge..

[Acuracura]

This is why I choose to live near where I work.

you have a family? Can't afford to live near the city? blah blah blah?
cry me a river. Either find a job close to where you live or move close to where you work. North America is one of the last places on earth where most people drive to work. Look at Tokyo or anywhere in Europe and most people are using trains and public transit to get to where they work. Why? because there are too many people living in a small space, we are heading in that direction and this is the beginning of planning ahead for the future. We can't knock down buildings downtown to make new lanes.

I agree with jaretron. Living and working in the same community minimizes the commute, making it almost ridiculous not to bike even on rainy days. Just a note about North America and driving, North Americans have always been used to driving, and cities were built according to that. Comparing us to Tokyo or all those European cities (Paris, Amesterdam, Frankfurt, Zurich, etc.) isn't quite fair because those cities have been around a lot longer than Vancouver, Toronto, etc. They were originally walking/bicycling, got some cars and a ton of motorbikes, built a complicated system of underground trains, and still maintain that original walking/bicycling mentality. Those cities are older so they’ve had that much more time to build it properly, unlike Vancouver which is constantly experimenting with more car lanes, bike lanes, rapid transit, etc. If you’ve been to those places in Europe you’ll notice the cities are very dense, like how Vancouver is getting to be. Paris, for example, is extremely dense around the River Seine and has ‘suburbs’ around central area. Most people actually live in the center of Paris and either work there or out in those suburb areas. For those working centrally, they either walk, bike, or metro it. Those working outside of the center still bike or take transit to where they need to go. The metro is incredibly efficient and is very busy, but not white-gloved-pushers busy, during peak hours. This allows them to invest huge amounts into the city’s public transit as they can concentrate it all in the middle where it’s needed. Adversely, the GVRD has pods of people and not enough money to fund infrastructure to serve them all. You build a skytrain to Poco and it’ll be another decade before you can build one to Langley. In the mean time all those people and their cars commute daily to the center (Downtown Vancouver) and it creates major congestion, parking, and pollution problems. You’ll also notice those European cities build a lot of pedestrian only streets/bridges, bicycles outnumber and take the right of way over cars, and scooters/motorcycles squeeze in wherever they fit and park wherever they want. Not saying their system is better, but it doesn’t seem to suffer from the problems we’re having here. The difference is those solutions were built from the ground up, starting with the attitudes and expectations of the people living there.

[AVS_Racing]

last week i was in dt and i did not see 1 damn biker using the god damn new bike lanes

[Greenstoner]

^ they dont wanna obey the "bike keep right, share the road" ..... and still riding in & out the traffic
it's god damn annoying

[Expresso]

As if carpooling wasn't minimizing traffic, I carpool to work and they've already fucked me over last year with the "bus/cyclist only" lane on Hastings going to downtown. And for the 8 or so months that lane has been implemented, I've only seen a handful of cyclists using it to get to work. Whats the point of carpooling now? The HOV benefit is gone and you have to wait for your other party. Effff this shit


I still just hop on that lane, cause theres constantly left turners.

Here's more info from City of Vancouver:
http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/transport/cycling/separated/index.htm

They even started off by saying Vancouver is striving to be one of the greenest cities in the world. This is what happens when I don't vote ahah

[7seven]

These bike lanes are seriously starting to piss me off. Dunsmuir street is just a complete mess right now. There was already an existing bike lane on Dunsmuir, but now they expanded that bike lane, took away one vehicle lane and are putting up concrete dividers, such a waste of time and money, Dunsmuir was perfectly fine the way it was. Now when you get to Dunsmuir and Hornby, the 2 vehcile lanes, one turns into a right turn only lane coming up to Dunsmuir and Burrard and it is just absolute chaos with all the vehicles trying to merge over.

I think what pisses me off is that there was absolutely no consultation with local businesses and residents. I'm downtown everyday of the week and despite the claims by our hippie mayor and council, the # of cyclists downtown looks to be about the same as before all this bike lanes mess, hell most days the bike lanes only have a few cyclists, especially with Vancouver weather the way it is. I hate to say it, but all this bike lanes crap is making me more hostile to cyclist on the road and I know a number of people that feel the same way too.

Gallery owner says bike lanes destroyed his business

By: ctvbc.ca

Date: Thursday May. 27, 2010 7:54 PM PT

A Vancouver businessman says that the city's push to make the streets more bike-friendly is responsible for the drop in business that's led him to shut his doors.

Art gallery owner Ron Appleton says he's closing his Hornby Street shop after 15 years in business.

When the city banned right turns on Hornby to protect cyclists in the designated bike lane, Appleton says drive-by customers were virtually shut out from Appleton Galleries.

"When this was imposed in July, without any warning, our business dropped 50 per cent," he told CTV News.

"(There was) no consultation, no discussion. I see the same thing happening with Dunsmuir Street and the merchants there."

Over on Dunsmuir, traffic is in disarray as construction workers prepare a new bike-only lane. One lane has been eliminated completely, and concrete barriers are going up to reserve space for bikes.

Further east on Ontario Street, a barrier was put in place in the middle of the road two weeks ago, restricting vehicle access in an attempt to make it safer for cyclists.

Motorists say they're confused by the sudden appearance of the barriers.

"I think it sucks. Now it's crazy -- the traffic is all over the place," Tom Loke said.

And local residents complain they were shut out of the planning process.

"We weren't consulted at all," neighbour Tara Lyon said.

The City of Vancouver claims there has been a dramatic increase in people heading downtown without their cars, and it wants to install more bike barriers as part of a pilot project to help cyclists feel safe.

"We have a very ambitious target in Vancouver to be the greenest city in the world," city engineer Jerry Dobrovolny explained.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100527/bc_bike_lanes_100527/20100527?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

[Greenstoner]

exactly my thought.. well said man !!

[gdoh]

i think its so fuckin stupid to put more bike lanes in and cut down a lane of traffic on an already busy and cramped city. does anyone ride their bikes in the rain? which it does most of the year in Vancouver. is this supposed to make it safer? it would be safe if the bikes didnt try to test their luck against cars by going out into traffic and hoping that drivers see them, your weight compared to cars weight think about it who will get hurt more? fuckin stupid ideas and make work projects to make it slower for the majority of ppl who do drive

[Greenstoner]

Vancouver is faking a "best place on earth" image to attract tourists and hippies

GO GREEN, RIDE A BIKE AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ..woot ..woot

[7seven]

Oh and another problem with removing a vehicle lane for a bike lane on Dunsmuir, garbarge & delivery trucks use Dunsmuir daily to back into alleys off Dunsmuir to service the businesses and residents in that area, and when they do that, they essentially cut Dunsmuir down to 1 lane for a few minutes which just causes absolute chaos. If the city actually consulted with anyone, they would've known that.

[rw c55]

I agree with jaretron. Living and working in the same community minimizes the commute, making it almost ridiculous not to bike even on rainy days. Just a note about North America and driving, North Americans have always been used to driving, and cities were built according to that. Comparing us to Tokyo or all those European cities (Paris, Amesterdam, Frankfurt, Zurich, etc.) isn't quite fair because those cities have been around a lot longer than Vancouver, Toronto, etc. They were originally walking/bicycling, got some cars and a ton of motorbikes, built a complicated system of underground trains, and still maintain that original walking/bicycling mentality. Those cities are older so they’ve had that much more time to build it properly, unlike Vancouver which is constantly experimenting with more car lanes, bike lanes, rapid transit, etc. If you’ve been to those places in Europe you’ll notice the cities are very dense, like how Vancouver is getting to be. Paris, for example, is extremely dense around the River Seine and has ‘suburbs’ around central area. Most people actually live in the center of Paris and either work there or out in those suburb areas. For those working centrally, they either walk, bike, or metro it. Those working outside of the center still bike or take transit to where they need to go. The metro is incredibly efficient and is very busy, but not white-gloved-pushers busy, during peak hours. This allows them to invest huge amounts into the city’s public transit as they can concentrate it all in the middle where it’s needed. Adversely, the GVRD has pods of people and not enough money to fund infrastructure to serve them all. You build a skytrain to Poco and it’ll be another decade before you can build one to Langley. In the mean time all those people and their cars commute daily to the center (Downtown Vancouver) and it creates major congestion, parking, and pollution problems. You’ll also notice those European cities build a lot of pedestrian only streets/bridges, bicycles outnumber and take the right of way over cars, and scooters/motorcycles squeeze in wherever they fit and park wherever they want. Not saying their system is better, but it doesn’t seem to suffer from the problems we’re having here. The difference is those solutions were built from the ground up, starting with the attitudes and expectations of the people living there.

:thumbsup:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

one question


why the fuck is the bike LAME on Dunsmuir as wide as a vehicle lane? like seriously? why? becuz fat mofo bikers needs that much room to ride? i got back from home depot, and turning on to the bridge (forgot wats it called) at the intersection two lanes can make a left, but as soon as u finish the left there is like absolutely no room to merge. The right outer left lane has very little distance to merge into left, which is super dangerous. Thx to the fucking bikers, they barricade that shit.
:mad::mad::mad::mad: fucking bikers and their lame

[FiveDime]

These bike lanes are seriously starting to piss me off. Dunsmuir street is just a complete mess right now. There was already an existing bike lane on Dunsmuir, but now they expanded that bike lane, took away one vehicle lane and are putting up concrete dividers, such a waste of time and money, Dunsmuir was perfectly fine the way it was. Now when you get to Dunsmuir and Hornby, the 2 vehcile lanes, one turns into a right turn only lane coming up to Dunsmuir and Burrard and it is just absolute chaos with all the vehicles trying to merge over.

I think what pisses me off is that there was absolutely no consultation with local businesses and residents. I'm downtown everyday of the week and despite the claims by our hippie mayor and council, the # of cyclists downtown looks to be about the same as before all this bike lanes mess, hell most days the bike lanes only have a few cyclists, especially with Vancouver weather the way it is. I hate to say it, but all this bike lanes crap is making me more hostile to cyclist on the road and I know a number of people that feel the same way too.


You only see few bicyclist because those cyclists are taking bike routes that are not on main roads! You would be suprised how many people ride bikes in the city if you were to get off your lazy ass and ride one. More people are riding bikes to get around now adays IN THE CITY because A) its fun B) its quick, so get used to it.

Biking in this city is great! I can get from my house on fraser to ubc in 25 minutes or to my work on burrard and pender in 15 minutes. Thats atleast 5 minutes faster than your car with traffic. I work in bental 5 and the bike room downstairs is filled with bikes regardless of the weather.



To the people that dont even live in vancouver and dont like the way things are going to fucking bad.

To the people who didnt vote in the last city election and are whining to fucking bad.

[7seven]

You only see few bicyclist because those cyclists are taking bike routes that are not on main roads! You would be suprised how many people ride bikes in the city if you were to get off your lazy ass and ride one. More people are riding bikes to get around now adays IN THE CITY because A) its fun B) its quick, so get used to it.

Biking in this city is great! I can get from my house on fraser to ubc in 25 minutes or to my work on burrard and pender in 15 minutes. Thats atleast 5 minutes faster than your car with traffic. I work in bental 5 and the bike room downstairs is filled with bikes regardless of the weather.



To the people that dont even live in vancouver and dont like the way things are going to fucking bad.

To the people who didnt vote in the last city election and are whining to fucking bad.

First off its not a matter of me being lazy that I don't cycle. I'm in the gym 5 days a week minimum and also walk and at times blade around downtown Vancouver so I do see that there are cyclist. However I prefer driving because most the time I wear suits and usually travel to the studios in Burnaby and North Vancouver.

Secondly, my office is at Dunsmuir and Burrard, my office window looks directly straight down Dunsmuir Street from Burrard to the viaduct, so I see daily the amount of cyclist before and after bike lane expansion that used Dunsmuir. My point is that there was absolutely no need to expand the existing bike lane on Dunsmuir for the small scattering of cyclist that use that route. It has made traffic so much worse for everyone and has from what I witness on a daily basis, has made motorist more hostile and aggressive towards cyclists. Hell in the last hour, I've seen maybe 3 or 4 cyclist actually use Dunsmuir, I've seen a larger number of cyclist come down Hornby, Howe and Burrard.

[1exotic]

barka dur!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

[Expresso]

Oh and another problem with removing a vehicle lane for a bike lane on Dunsmuir, garbarge & delivery trucks use Dunsmuir daily to back into alleys off Dunsmuir to service the businesses and residents in that area, and when they do that, they essentially cut Dunsmuir down to 1 lane for a few minutes which just causes absolute chaos. If the city actually consulted with anyone, they would've known that.

That's a pretty good point, when 7-11 takes deliveries man its game over!

[XtC-604]

Ya that merging on main made no sense, specially with some of the c Lai drivers I've seen . When It becomes one lane is the really stupid part , narrow as fuck. I drive a small car so no5 a problem for me, but the suvs that c Lai drive. They slow down to like 20 kmh. One day there'll be an accident , " suv loses control, hops barrier and mows down 10 cyclists"
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[FiveDime]

First off its not a matter of me being lazy that I don't cycle. I'm in the gym 5 days a week minimum and also walk and at times blade around downtown Vancouver so I do see that there are cyclist. However I prefer driving because most the time I wear suits and usually travel to the studios in Burnaby and North Vancouver.

Secondly, my office is at Dunsmuir and Burrard, my office window looks directly straight down Dunsmuir Street from Burrard to the viaduct, so I see daily the amount of cyclist before and after bike lane expansion that used Dunsmuir. My point is that there was absolutely no need to expand the existing bike lane on Dunsmuir for the small scattering of cyclist that use that route. It has made traffic so much worse for everyone and has from what I witness on a daily basis, has made motorist more hostile and aggressive towards cyclists. Hell in the last hour, I've seen maybe 3 or 4 cyclist actually use Dunsmuir, I've seen a larger number of cyclist come down Hornby, Howe and Burrard.


Sorry, my post wasn't for you directly just some of your points

[q0192837465]

We conscoiusly voted for a hippie to run our city either by voting for him or not voting at all. We can always vote for someone else later. We'll just have to live with it for now.

[OTG-ZR2]

http://users.ugent.be/~mvaneech/MTB/Photos%20and%20Movies/Get%20tf%20out%20of%20my%20way.jpg

cause no one else did

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

First off its not a matter of me being lazy that I don't cycle. I'm in the gym 5 days a week minimum and also walk and at times blade around downtown Vancouver so I do see that there are cyclist. However I prefer driving because most the time I wear suits and usually travel to the studios in Burnaby and North Vancouver.

Secondly, my office is at Dunsmuir and Burrard, my office window looks directly straight down Dunsmuir Street from Burrard to the viaduct, so I see daily the amount of cyclist before and after bike lane expansion that used Dunsmuir. My point is that there was absolutely no need to expand the existing bike lane on Dunsmuir for the small scattering of cyclist that use that route. It has made traffic so much worse for everyone and has from what I witness on a daily basis, has made motorist more hostile and aggressive towards cyclists. Hell in the last hour, I've seen maybe 3 or 4 cyclist actually use Dunsmuir, I've seen a larger number of cyclist come down Hornby, Howe and Burrard.

:thumbsup:

keep us updated when you see one get run over

[Phat_R]

So if you don't like it, show up to the COV meetings and voice your opinion!

Gregor Robertson's vision is to have the "greenest city in the world by 2020" if I remember correctly. So yes, all of us in Vancouver consciously voted in a hippie. :rolleyes:


Yah -- most of the complainers are apathetic people than only care about civic issues when they interfere with their own little world

Main issue is urban overgrowth and too many fucking cars.

You live in a big city now -- deal with it

[jpark]

^ they dont wanna obey the "bike keep right, share the road" ..... and still riding in & out the traffic
it's god damn annoying

obvs, bikers will always have the biker behavior

[SpartanAir]

I have no problems with people who ride bikes, I deal with them, they can be annoying but whatever.

I have a problem with CYCLISTS. These arrogant, self-righteous ASSHOLES who want you to "share the road"...

Listen: YOU'RE ON A BIKE. GO AROUND ME. I'M STUCK BEHIND OTHER CARS, YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE.

I've ridden all over the place in this city...it's GREAT to get around in by bike! There are designated crossroutes, bike lanes, even crosswalk buttons for cyclists. What more do they want???

There will always be cars and bikes on the same road. This isn't fucking Amsterdam with dedicated bike lanes everywhere.

Don't fucking yell at me about sharing the road and bitch at me about your sacred "no left turns, except for bikes" signs, you arrogant, self-important, holier-than-thou hippie pieces of shit.

[Death2Theft]

Just ban cars from downtown core and be done with it.

[chris walter]

I learned about this new bike lane last night. I sat for 25 minutes on dunsmir and 3 bikes went by the entire time. 2 of those bikes were on the sidewalk on the oposite side from the bike lane. I think if bikes have their own lanes they should get ticketed for riding all over the road and disobeying every other single road rule.
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[Marioo1991]

I learned about this new bike lane last night. I sat for 25 minutes on dunsmir and 3 bikes went by the entire time. 2 of those bikes were on the sidewalk on the oposite side from the bike lane. I think if bikes have their own lanes they should get ticketed for riding all over the road and disobeying every other single road rule.
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I think if bikes want to get the same rights as cars like getting their own lane, then they should obey the rules like drivers have to. Bikers are always running red lights, weaving through traffic, etc....

[Phat_R]

I think if bikes want to get the same rights as cars like getting their own lane, then they should obey the rules like drivers have to. Bikers are always running red lights, weaving through traffic, etc....

I saw a cyclist get pulled over by a cop yesterday for running a red light on Expo Blvd. yesterday.

So glad to see they are doing that finally

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

that just made my day



I think if bikes want to get the same rights as cars like getting their own lane, then they should obey the rules like drivers have to. Bikers are always running red lights, weaving through traffic, etc....



better yet, why the fuck arent they paying insurance. they wonna share the road like a car, well..pay the fucking insurance in case they get hit or killed. Motorcycles pays insurance, why should they be any different if they wonna take advantage of their LAME

[yvrnycracer]

The interesting thing about the georgia/dunsmuir viaduct bike lane is the fact that there is already quite a generous sidewalk that is rarely if ever used. If Logic would have prevailed they would have SAVED the money and used that for bikes... but logical thinking isn't something the amateur politicians like to use at city hall.

The Extension of the bike lane down dunsmuir is just something that obviously they made a decision on while taking bong hits... Taking a lane away from one of the most congested streets in the downtown core... and killing turning to all motor vehicle traffic is just about the worst decision ever. I hope Mayor McJuice is enjoying his term because it will without a doubt be his first and last. The backing of the critical massholes is not enough to keep a government in power.

Instead of spending the money on that they could have spent the money on putting advanced green's at all the corners where the flow of traffic is hindered by the sheer number of people who cross the street... Hornby and Robson, Dunsmuir and Seymore to name a few...

[SpartanAir]

That's the other thing;

Dear Cyclists: Are you a vehicle, or are you a pedestrian?

You seem to want to "share the road" with other "vehicles", and yet time and time again you blow right thru lights and stop signs. Sure, much of the time you might stop at busy lights, but DON'T fuckin tell me you stop at stop signs.

And how about riding across crosswalks? Hmm...seems to me they're called crossWALKS for a reason...get off your fucking bike and WALK it across, or wait for the light.

Go down and sit on 10th Ave. in Vancouver during peak hours at a 4 way intersection and tell me how many cyclists stop at the stop signs. Please, I'd like to know.

[7seven]

:thumbsup:

keep us updated when you see one get run over

Driving into DT this morning at 6am, they had Dunsmuir from the viaduct to Hornby down to one lane for line painting, which backed up traffic. I saw multiple people in vehicles swearing at passing cyclist and one vehicle throw a coffee at a cyclist.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i take that route too when i drive to work, its really crowded now since its down to two lanes. Sigh...


dont know why they treasure the cyclists right so much



That's the other thing;

Dear Cyclists: Are you a vehicle, or are you a pedestrian?

You seem to want to "share the road" with other "vehicles", and yet time and time again you blow right thru lights and stop signs. Sure, much of the time you might stop at busy lights, but DON'T fuckin tell me you stop at stop signs.

And how about riding across crosswalks? Hmm...seems to me they're called crossWALKS for a reason...get off your fucking bike and WALK it across, or wait for the light.

Go down and sit on 10th Ave. in Vancouver during peak hours at a 4 way intersection and tell me how many cyclists stop at the stop signs. Please, I'd like to know.



NONE!!!

[Greenstoner]

LOL, the bike lane on dunsmuir should be re-name to Hockey route.

There will be more hockey fans to use this route after the game starting next season than thoese god damn cyclists.

Thats about the only pros i saw in this construction.

[jaretron]

The interesting thing about the georgia/dunsmuir viaduct bike lane is the fact that there is already quite a generous sidewalk that is rarely if ever used. If Logic would have prevailed they would have SAVED the money and used that for bikes... but logical thinking isn't something the amateur politicians like to use at city hall.


It's kinda funny, I've been driving the viaduct everyday this week at around 8am with no problem at all, I can't speak on other times but consistently at 8ish there is no problem. Today I looked at the side walk and its maybe wide enough for one bike, to call it generous is huge overstatement. Its for pedestrians and I see someone on the sidewalk everyday. Besides, the debate of the viaduct bike lane is negated by the fact that the lane was taken away a couple years ago, so other than the merge fiasco off of Main (which people will adapt to) nothing has changed.


Dear Cyclists: Are you a vehicle, or are you a pedestrian?

You seem to want to "share the road" with other "vehicles", and yet time and time again you blow right thru lights and stop signs. Sure, much of the time you might stop at busy lights, but DON'T fuckin tell me you stop at stop signs.

And how about riding across crosswalks? Hmm...seems to me they're called crossWALKS for a reason...get off your fucking bike and WALK it across, or wait for the light.

Go down and sit on 10th Ave. in Vancouver during peak hours at a 4 way intersection and tell me how many cyclists stop at the stop signs. Please, I'd like to know.


I agree that bicyclist should dismount if they want to use a crosswalk, I never stop for bikers if they are waiting at a crosswalk on their bike.

Now the stop sign thing I only partly agree with you, especially on 10th. If a bicyclist is preventing traffic from the correct order of flow then obviously they should be stopping, and if not? issued a ticket for sure. A thing to remember is on a bike you are higher up and can see over most parked cars, you can also hear cars approaching more easily than when you drive a car. Now when I ride on 10th I would appear to blow through the 4way stops but as I approach I can see if any traffic is coming way before I could in a car. Also on a bike I am vulnerable, its my life so you best be sure that I'm super careful at every intersection. The reason myself and others are not really stopping is due to momentum, surely I don't have to explain this. Commute on a bike and you will understand.

It only takes a couple retarded drivers to convince someone that every bad driver is out on the road at a certain given time, well some of these same retards ride bikes. I yell at fellow bikers all the time, they don't realize that by yelling at drivers (that might be in there way when they shouldn't, or pulled too far out into the street to see if they can go) that they are just perpetuating a culture of cars vs bikes.

[jaretron]

I saw a cyclist get pulled over by a cop yesterday for running a red light on Expo Blvd. yesterday.

So glad to see they are doing that finally

Finally? They've been doing it for years on bike routes. The cops camp out where bicyclist often blow through stop signs at dangerous intersections, and rightfully so.

[Tapioca]

Yah -- most of the complainers are apathetic people than only care about civic issues when they interfere with their own little world

Main issue is urban overgrowth and too many fucking cars.

You live in a big city now -- deal with it

Probably the most insightful post in the whole thread.

The reality is that it's a bad implementation of a decent idea.

The city should encourage cycling to the downtown core, as well as expand transit options. Some of you complain that you have no showers in your building? Well, if there was a demand, I'm sure more property managers would build them. And how do you create a demand? By making it more feasible for people to cycle downtown.

[Anjew]

I think if bikes want to get the same rights as cars like getting their own lane, then they should obey the rules like drivers have to. Bikers are always running red lights, weaving through traffic, etc....

this is what i have been saying the entire time..... they need to obey the same traffic laws as cars if they want a peice of the road...

i fucking hate it when on a red light a cyclist would weave through traffic to the very front of the right lane far out enough to block the person trying to turn right.

driving a car too slow can be a hazzard... so riding a bicycle slowing down traffic to a crawl on the right lane isnt?

if the fucking city wants to eliminate cars from downtown they need to propose a better alternative to driving... i'm not riding a bicycle wearing my suit.
how about instead of spending millions of dollars putting in that bikelane they build a nice mega parking lot outside of downtown near a skytrain station for people to park their cars at a decent price/good security). Instead of that mega parking lot being near a skytrain station they can have dedicated busses run from that parking lot to parts of the downtown core

[Delerious]

How about everyone who is complaining about cyclists hops on a bike and commutes to work for a week or so. You'll see how bad drivers are, and how dangerous it can be to be in traffic on a bike. You might shed a few pounds while you're at it ;)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

this is what i have been saying the entire time..... they need to obey the same traffic laws as cars if they want a peice of the road...

i fucking hate it when on a red light a cyclist would weave through traffic to the very front of the right lane far out enough to block the person trying to turn right.

driving a car too slow can be a hazzard... so riding a bicycle slowing down traffic to a crawl on the right lane isnt?

if the fucking city wants to eliminate cars from downtown they need to propose a better alternative to driving... i'm not riding a bicycle wearing my suit.
how about instead of spending millions of dollars putting in that bikelane they build a nice mega parking lot outside of downtown near a skytrain station for people to park their cars at a decent price/good security). Instead of that mega parking lot being near a skytrain station they can have dedicated busses run from that parking lot to parts of the downtown core


werd

my contractor was FUCKING pissed off yesterday, cuz he couldnt enter the building by going around and around the fucking block for 40 minutes near Bentall 5. I saw the fucking dumbass bike LAME further down dunsmuir and i was like wtf is this shit. You cant turn left, now u cant take right thx to bike lame. Jesus fucking christ.....

[Marioo1991]

What pisses me off is after all the effort spent making bike lanes all around vancouver you still have hippies going down broadway and cornwall at 5mph blocking traffic during rush hour. Its times like that I wish I drove a RHD car.

[Greenstoner]

if cyclist wanna ride in dt, they belongs in stanley park only

[Vinny G]

What pisses me off is after all the effort spent making bike lanes all around vancouver you still have hippies going down broadway and cornwall at 5mph blocking traffic during rush hour. Its times like that I wish I drove a RHD car.


You haven't seen bad until you've been on a BUS following a cyclist. When I was still at SFU, I would take the 135 bus from Renfrew/Hastings. Try having a bus drive behind cyclist from Renfrew to Boundary. The line of cars behind us was amazing, especially considering they were doing construction near Cassiar.

[Tapioca]

this is what i have been saying the entire time..... they need to obey the same traffic laws as cars if they want a peice of the road...

i fucking hate it when on a red light a cyclist would weave through traffic to the very front of the right lane far out enough to block the person trying to turn right.

driving a car too slow can be a hazzard... so riding a bicycle slowing down traffic to a crawl on the right lane isnt?

Agree with your points, which is why bikes need their own paths, hence the Dunsmir bike lane.


if the fucking city wants to eliminate cars from downtown they need to propose a better alternative to driving... i'm not riding a bicycle wearing my suit.
how about instead of spending millions of dollars putting in that bikelane they build a nice mega parking lot outside of downtown near a skytrain station for people to park their cars at a decent price/good security). Instead of that mega parking lot being near a skytrain station they can have dedicated busses run from that parking lot to parts of the downtown core

There are two Park and Rides - one at Scott Road and the other at the River Rock in Richmond. Finding a large quantity of land near Skytrain stations isn't exactly cheap these days either.

Park-and-Rides aren't exactly sustainable solutions either.

[InvisibleSoul]

I can't believe they disallowed turning from one-way Dunsmuir to one-way Seymour and Hornby Streets. That's ridiculous.

[Greenstoner]

I can't believe they disallowed turning from one-way Dunsmuir to one-way Seymour and Hornby Streets. That's ridiculous.

yup, thats really a stupid idea to restrict right turn on 1 way street

[7seven]

I can't believe they disallowed turning from one-way Dunsmuir to one-way Seymour and Hornby Streets. That's ridiculous.

Not only that, they now have signs on Cambie and I believe other streets saying no right turns onto Dunsmuir too, makes no sense. Another example I came across this weekend of why they shouldn't have expanded the existing Dunsmuir bike lane, the taxi stops and valet sections in front of the St.Regis and Shore Club are still in effect, so when someone is stopped in the left lane there, it reduces Dunsmuir down to 1 lane, which is ridiculous for a busy vehicle route into downtown.