[Gh0stRider]

read this on a motorcycle forum (http://www.bcsportbikes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121958).

RCMP Press release:

Police Tackling Noisy Vehicles

The onset of summer is not always good news for some Lower Mainland residents, who dread the increase in noisy motorcycles and other vehicles on their neighborhood roads.

The North Vancouver RCMP and Port Mann freeway patrol are inviting motorcycle riders and other vehicle owners to attend the parking lot of the Main street off ramp at the Ironworkers Memorial bridge, on June 5th and 6th from 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. for free decibel testing of their exhaust systems. This type of testing has never been offered by the police before and will be a unique opportunity for riders and drivers to become more aware of their noise levels. Trained Police officers will determine if the noise levels from the exhaust pipes are illegally loud.

On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements. Only street legal and street safe motorcycles and vehicles will be tested.

- If a motorcycle, car or truck is making more noise than a factory model, it is too loud.
- If after-market pipes have been installed they likely do not have baffles and are not legal.
- Most after market products are not approved mufflers.

Extensive enforcement for noisy vehicles will take place during June to October. Drivers charged under Section 7A.01 of the Motor Vehicle Act - Regulations will pay a fine of $109 and receive three points. If the noise is too excessive, vehicles could be towed and license plates seized, requiring the owner to have the vehicle inspected and then re-licensed.

“I have pulled over many motorcycles over the years and have heard all kinds of explanations,” says Constable Peter Kennedy with the North Vancouver RCMP. “None of them were valid, especially when someone says that the noise is for safety reasons and could save their life. Noisy motorcycles do not save lives, they simply irritate other people enjoying a peaceful day. The general public does not enjoy the noise and have made many requests with the local police agencies and the Mayor’s office for serious enforcement.”

Motor Vehicle Act Regulations

“A motor vehicle shall be equipped with an exhaust system which ensures that the exhaust gases from the engine are cooled and expelled without excessive noise.”

“The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, pistondisplacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.”

[Berzerker]

Wow they are giving points for fucking noise violations!!! Thats brutal... Hmm that last statement...

condition of comparable size, horsepower, pistondisplacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.

Does that mean he has to compare my 400hp 1.9L Honda sound to other 400hp 1.9L Honda's to determine if my car is to loud???

I don't mind the whole noise violation ticket but points for it is a little gay IMO. Points should be for Driving Infractions only... I mean shit if they are giving points for that whats to stop them giving points for having a tail light out... or do they?

Berz out.

[insomniac]

GAY.
but at least we can get a few people who have annoying fart cans.

[LiquidTurbo]

^

As long as the exhaust is completely stock how could they ding you? Then again, I've never heard someone complain

"Fuck, that Ferrari is annoying".

Usually some fart can civic or some straight pipe Harley that annoys people.

[Roach]

I'm also concerned by the comment that points would be issued for something which is not a driving-related infraction.

Kev

[Recoil]

more like anyone who shows up is gonna be black listed, then towed LATER.

[Raid3n]

i thought points were only issued for moving violations.... or contravention of your license's restrictions...

[Gh0stRider]

june to october...fuuuuu

[xilley]

wtfak is this gay shit.

[ajax]

Please get rid of the fart cans!!!!!

[Shun Izaki]

more like anyone who shows up is gonna be black listed, then towed LATER.

if i didn't know this would be true, i'd like to know what my car makes at WOT XD


Please get rid of the fart cans!!!!!

i certaintly don't have a fart can, but my race header is nooooo good for sound >_<

[XtC-604]

VTAK YO!

[gearshifter]

I think at the legal decibel testing, police are not going to ticket you or anything, but they are definitely going to take note of your license plate. You never know, especially if they are going through such extremes (such as deducting points) to catch people.. Why miss this golden opportunity?

I don't understand this point deduction.. since this isn't a dangerous driving act.. wow wtf!

[Peturbo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_3Rl-MGcJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hQN4Amaeg&feature=related

[ajax]

i certaintly don't have a fart can, but my race header is nooooo good for sound >_<

hahaha but im sure you have a proper exhaust setup with a deeper sound. Im talking about the canadian tire specials on ricer civics and cavalierrs
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[satek]

RCMP don't have anything better to do than to give out VI's and now this bs.

[Soundy]

RCMP don't have anything better to do than to give out VI's and now this bs.

How is this BS? You can drive over there, have them test it, and tell you if your car is too loud WITHOUT giving you a VI, so you can fix it, and NOT get a VI later.

You bitches here always complain about "It doesn't sound too loud to me, how am I supposed to know if it's too loud?" - well, here's your chance to find out, for free, no ticket, no VI, tested with proper equipment. The cops are doing something nice for you when they could just camp out in the same spot and hand out noise tickets all day, and you're going to be fucking whiner pussies about it?

Fuck off. You should be taking the bus. Phibbs Exchange is right around the corner from where this is taking place.

[Death2Theft]

If someone paid me i'd go fuck around with these guys, stock exhaust + cut out from header back.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

seriously wat the fuck is this homo shit?



points for being too loud, wats next? points for being lowered, rims, and lip kits?

jesus fuck, they really have nothing to pick on now do they. Fucking lame as hell, like seriously.....get a fucking life
:mad:

how the fuck did they figure this game plan out. hmmmm i dont think VI ppl is enough, woo i know! lets slap them with points and make all the modify cars street ricers with neons


you know who they should tackle? the fucking pop corn making harley davidson that sounds like shit, as if its gonna blow up. Loud as a mofo and annoying as hell

[hotjoint]

wow this is sad

[greendb7]

fucking facepalm!
why does this even matter?
who's fucking day am I going to ruin?
fuck you RCMP
can't have tires that stick out too much, can't have car too low, can't have this and that
we're not hurting anybody for fucks sake

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

cant even have a shift knob without indicating the gears. wat the fuck, its my car, im sure i know how to shift god damn it.

[Mancini]

condition of comparable size, horsepower, pistondisplacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.

Bullshit. If your car IS too loud and is disruptive to people's lives it should be addressed. Your power output is irrelevant to this discussion.

Does that mean he has to compare my 400hp 1.9L Honda sound to other 400hp 1.9L Honda's to determine if my car is to loud???

Yes. Power to noise ratio FTL.

[GabAlmighty]

I got a noise violation ticket (same section number as above), does this mean I'm going to get points now too or is the point thing something that will be implemented later on?

[jpark]

seriously wat the fuck is this homo shit?



points for being too loud, wats next? points for being lowered, rims, and lip kits?

jesus fuck, they really have nothing to pick on now do they. Fucking lame as hell, like seriously.....get a fucking life
:mad:

how the fuck did they figure this game plan out. hmmmm i dont think VI ppl is enough, woo i know! lets slap them with points and make all the modify cars street ricers with neons


you know who they should tackle? the fucking pop corn making harley davidson that sounds like shit, as if its gonna blow up. Loud as a mofo and annoying as hell

i fuking hate those harley davidson exhaust, my neighbor has one always revs the shit out of it and passes my house and i just yell shut the fuck up all the time when he passes me, but ne never hears me anyways cuz his exhaust is too cool loud

[VK79]

Well, I doubt they will bother say... a Gallardo, Carrera GT, F430 with straight pipes.... they might even stop, pull out their cellphones to capture a nice exhaust vid of those cars lol.

I hope they nick those bloody stock, beat up cars with nothing more than an ebay muffler, chrome rims and plastic wings. Loud as hell but the bloody car still crawls at bicycle speeds.

[skylinergtr]

I've already gotten 3 police reports because of my exhaust, and now its going to be tougher? i blame conservative area's like the North Shore for haters.

[mugentsx]

seriously wat the fuck is this homo shit?



points for being too loud, wats next? points for being lowered, rims, and lip kits?

jesus fuck, they really have nothing to pick on now do they. Fucking lame as hell, like seriously.....get a fucking life
:mad:

how the fuck did they figure this game plan out. hmmmm i dont think VI ppl is enough, woo i know! lets slap them with points and make all the modify cars street ricers with neons


you know who they should tackle? the fucking pop corn making harley davidson that sounds like shit, as if its gonna blow up. Loud as a mofo and annoying as hell


You bitches here always complain about "It doesn't sound too loud to me, how am I supposed to know if it's too loud?" - well, here's your chance to find out, for free, no ticket, no VI, tested with proper equipment. The cops are doing something nice for you when they could just camp out in the same spot and hand out noise tickets all day, and you're going to be fucking whiner pussies about it?

Fuck off. You should be taking the bus. Phibbs Exchange is right around the corner from where this is taking place.

nice answer

[Phat_R]

All I can say is ABOUT FUCKING TIME!

I hate those Harley straight pipe losers.

[jpark]

^they think they are 'cool'

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

indeed, its a shame they dont realize it sounds like ass

[xilley]

^ agree with that shit
but for real, what if we were all drivin ferraris
then i guess they would have to mute the ferraris now too eh?

[Qmx323]

http://www.joewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/haters-gonna-hate.gif

Good thing i got rid of my rusted OEM muffler.
Damn rust hole made it sound like a rice rocket

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^ agree with that shit
but for real, what if we were all drivin ferraris
then i guess they would have to mute the ferraris now too eh?

no, they cant do shit to stock cars. which is lame


if today a stock car comes 100 DB from the factory, the cops will say PASS, if today a guy mods his car to 94db the cops gonna anal him. basically anything stock, you get a green go ahead no matter how ridiculously it is.

same thing with hid, factory hid is ok. How is it not ok when i take from another factory's projector and retrofit into mine, with the proper aim and alignment....the cops gonna say ILLEGALLLLLL becuz it didnt come from the factory. its like wtf

[Salzuberg]

Interesting...so does anyone know what is the supposedly legal dB for exhaust right now?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i think 87 to 90 db? somewhere around there

[Salzuberg]

well if you are correct...according to: http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/620

that means that if your car is not louder than:
police whistle, heavy traffic, truck traffic, noisy home appliances subway-rail train, pneumatic drill [or hammer] at one meter, walk-man ear phone [average volume], rock drill at 100 feet, some motorcycles at 25 feet, shouted conversation.
you are fine haha

[Kim Jong Un]

All I can say is ABOUT FUCKING TIME!

I hate those Harley straight pipe fags.
Fixed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hQN4Amaeg

[AznK]

Harleys are fucking it up for everyone

hope I can argue that TRD is stock

[Gh0stRider]

for motorcycles, the sport bike pipes are fine IMO, but the harleys are damn straight annoying.

[q0192837465]

+1 for the Harleys. How can the drivers tolerate them in the first place. They'r wearing beanies so they can hear everything. I'm surprised Harley riders arent all deaf.

[Death2Theft]

Find me one factory car that does 100DB u imbecile.
no, they cant do shit to stock cars. which is lame


if today a stock car comes 100 DB from the factory, the cops will say PASS, if today a guy mods his car to 94db the cops gonna anal him. basically anything stock, you get a green go ahead no matter how ridiculously it is.

same thing with hid, factory hid is ok. How is it not ok when i take from another factory's projector and retrofit into mine, with the proper aim and alignment....the cops gonna say ILLEGALLLLLL becuz it didnt come from the factory. its like wtf

[Death2Theft]

If you live in downtown you can hear idiots at 3 in the morning with their "exotics" revving from the penthouse it's not cool.
Well, I doubt they will bother say... a Gallardo, Carrera GT, F430 with straight pipes.... they might even stop, pull out their cellphones to capture a nice exhaust vid of those cars lol.

I hope they nick those bloody stock, beat up cars with nothing more than an ebay muffler, chrome rims and plastic wings. Loud as hell but the bloody car still crawls at bicycle speeds.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Find me one factory car that does 100DB u imbecile.

i said IF, as an example


:rolleyes:

im sure harleys are over 90 DB stock

[Gh0stRider]

+1 for the Harleys. How can the drivers tolerate them in the first place. They'r wearing beanies so they can hear everything. I'm surprised Harley riders arent all deaf.

they all wear ear plugs i think.

[Phil@rise]

no, they cant do shit to stock cars. which is lame


if today a stock car comes 100 DB from the factory, the cops will say PASS, if today a guy mods his car to 94db the cops gonna anal him. basically anything stock, you get a green go ahead no matter how ridiculously it is.

same thing with hid, factory hid is ok. How is it not ok when i take from another factory's projector and retrofit into mine, with the proper aim and alignment....the cops gonna say ILLEGALLLLLL becuz it didnt come from the factory. its like wtf

The issue isn't noise so much as it is the whole riser / racer stigma. Loud Sport compacts and bikes tend to be owned by younger guys who tend to goof around on the streets. It's BS profiling as far as I'm concerned.
There should just be a legal noise limit regardless of engine power size or exhaust size. Exhaust restrictions beyond noise should be handled by emissions compliance and testing.
Real regulation thats easy to implement and it puts the onus on the manufacturers and their engineers to make sure shit is legit.
Having a sliding scale based on engine output and size is as stupid as having a sliding scale for speed limits.

[TOPEC]

The issue isn't noise so much as it is the whole riser / racer stigma. Loud Sport compacts and bikes tend to be owned by younger guys who tend to goof around on the streets. It's BS profiling as far as I'm concerned.
There should just be a legal noise limit regardless of engine power size or exhaust size. Exhaust restrictions beyond noise should be handled by emissions compliance and testing.
Real regulation thats easy to implement and it puts the onus on the manufacturers and their engineers to make sure shit is legit.
Having a sliding scale based on engine output and size is as stupid as having a sliding scale for speed limits.

if they were to come up with a legal db number, the retards will probably come up with some stupidly low db limit like 60db.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

true, considering how retarded our speed limite is


30km around new westminster.....wat a joke

[Volvo-brickster]

if you have an loud aftermarket exhaust....how hard is it for you not to be a giant douche bag and drive at a low RPM?

when driving streets like Robson, granville, columbia and any other heat source, keep it low, keep it quiet and if you get nailed you have only yourself to blame

use common sense...don't be prick and drive around at 4K all the time and you will be fine

i have an off road H + flowmasters and its stupid loud between 2500-5000 RPM but if i lug it below 2000 it's muffled and barely noticed

[Euro7r]

Blah, these guys just have nothing else better to do now.

[Soundy]

The issue isn't noise so much as it is the whole riser / racer stigma. Loud Sport compacts and bikes tend to be owned by younger guys who tend to goof around on the streets. It's BS profiling as far as I'm concerned.

What profiling?

From the first post:
The North Vancouver RCMP and Port Mann freeway patrol are inviting motorcycle riders and other vehicle owners to attend the parking lot of the Main street off ramp at the Ironworkers Memorial bridge, on June 5th and 6th from 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. for free decibel testing of their exhaust systems. This type of testing has never been offered by the police before and will be a unique opportunity for riders and drivers to become more aware of their noise levels. Trained Police officers will determine if the noise levels from the exhaust pipes are illegally loud.

On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements. Only street legal and street safe motorcycles and vehicles will be tested.

- If a motorcycle, car or truck is making more noise than a factory model, it is too loud.

No mention of ricers, racers, exotics, rustbuckets, or any other pigeonhole.

There should just be a legal noise limit regardless of engine power size or exhaust size. .

if they were to come up with a legal db number, the retards will probably come up with some stupidly low db limit like 60db.

:facepalm:

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/26_58_04

Vehicle noise

27 A motor vehicle shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler which complies with section 7.03 of the regulations.

The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.

When tested in an inspection station, the vehicle engine, any auxiliary engine and exhaust level shall not exceed Table 3 standards.

[en. B.C. Reg. 658/76, s. 2.]

Table 3

[am. B.C. Reg. 656/76, s. 2.]

Class of Vehicle Maximum Allowable Sound Pressure Level DBA
Light duty 83
Gasoline-driven heavy duty 88
Motorcycles 91
Diesel-driven heavy duty 93


Of course, you COULD just take 30 seconds to look this stuff up for yourself (it only gets discussed on a monthly basis in the Police Forum), but I suppose it's easier to just blather on like an ignorant asshole with no idea what you're talking about.

To coin a phrase: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt."

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

if you have an loud aftermarket exhaust....how hard is it for you not to be a giant douche bag and drive at a low RPM?

when driving streets like Robson, granville, columbia and any other heat source, keep it low, keep it quiet and if you get nailed you have only yourself to blame

use common sense...don't be prick and drive around at 4K all the time and you will be fine

i have an off road H + flowmasters and its stupid loud between 2500-5000 RPM but if i lug it below 2000 it's muffled and barely noticed

driving like an idiot ripping down on robson, than get tagged with a VI or whatever violation is fine, fair game. Its like a speeder speeding, he/she gotta prepare the consequences.


but if the person is driving very mild, and the cops (aka richmond) likes to set up homo blocks, and tags every single car with a exhaust than tats pretty unavoidable. Or slap a VI across the owners face whether they are actually too low or not is pretty lame. I'd gotten a VI due to some stupid trap before, when my car wasnt even lowered, the cop was like..NOPE its lowered....here is a VI,i was like wtf

Happened at Galardi exit couple years ago....8 years ago i believe

[PiuYi]

wish i still had my exhaust so i could go test it out :(

[Great68]

I find it funny that they put "Noisy cars" so high on their priority list.

Sure they're annoying, but a car that simply has a loud exhaust has absolutely no detriment to the safety of themselves and others on the road.

[nns]

If society as a whole decrees that a fringe group of individuals is pissing off everybody else, then that fringe group should smarten up, and set themselves straight.

This is what our society lacks nowadays. Common sense and decency. The common sense to realize that it's their own paranoia that's out to get them, and not the mayor, the police, the government, or the CIA. The decency to realize how wrong they are, own up to it, and change their ways.

Everybody is a such a free spirit, running around waving their "rights" card crying that they have a "right" to do whatever they want. As a society, everybody has gone from being cordial and considerate, to "it's all about me, and anything or anybody who disagrees is wrong!". Lesson here, no one likes those who breaks social mores and norms.

Leave it to Wiki to explain it:
Social norms are the behavioral expectations and cues within a society or group. This sociological term has been defined as "the rules that a group uses for appropriate and inappropriate values, beliefs, attitudes and behaviors. These rules may be explicit or implicit. Failure to follow the rules can result in severe punishments, including exclusion from the group."[1] They have also been described as the "customary rules of behavior that coordinate our interactions with others."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_(sociology)

Reading a thread like this, you can really pick out the hypocrites, the idiots, and the selfish individuals who lack all of the great values that our society now lacks. What's worse is those of you who are guilty don't realize it, and would fight to the death to deny it if called on. I can even bet that most of you would turn around and put the blame on us, the considerate, level-headed individuals.

Mad Men shows us all. I won't explain what I mean by this. For those who understand, I'm sure they'll agree.

Edit: I can't believe some of you are even bringing up lowered cars as an argument to this noise issue. Talk about reaching. Yea, sure. We'll all be sympathetic to your own unbiased, introspective recollection of events that happened to you at some uncertain time ago. :rolleyes:

[yvrnycracer]

Point being here is that the police is investing in NEW testing devices. Is this where the priorities lie in law enforcement? There are FACTORY exhausts that will exceed the 83db. But they are legally imported and sold in BC? (any Italian supercar). Also if I am not mistaken the tests are supposed to be done at an approved testing facility. So how does a downtown street in the middle of rush hour with construction and traffic noise make for an accurate reading?

Secondly there is no real guide as to what that 83db must be measured at? Is it at idle, WOT, 3000rpm?

All that aside. BC has so many other pressing issues that need to be focused and wasting police man hours as well as dollars to combat something that really isn't a major problem is insane. Its a cash grab and nothing else.

[GabAlmighty]

Do you think this car would be too loud?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWBZXdCIGdA

[nns]

All that aside. BC has so many other pressing issues that need to be focused and wasting police man hours as well as dollars to combat something that really isn't a major problem is insane. Its a cash grab and nothing else.
Who are you to judge what is and isn't a priority? Are you an elected government official? A police officer? A city controller? The mayor?

Essentially, are you qualified or educated in any way shape or form to make a judgement call as to how resources should be allocated, or what is and isn't a "problem"? So you pay taxes, and all of a sudden you have the right to call the shots? So do millions of others. What if their tax dollars and opinion conflict with yours? It's a good thing we don't make our decisions based on tax dollars all the time, or nothing would get done.

[yvrnycracer]

Who are you to judge what is and isn't a priority? Are you an elected government official? A police officer? A city controller? The mayor?

Essentially, are you qualified or educated in any way shape or form to make a judgement call as to how resources should be allocated, or what is and isn't a "problem"? So you pay taxes, and all of a sudden you have the right to call the shots? So do millions of others. What if their tax dollars and opinion conflict with yours? It's a good thing we don't make our decisions based on tax dollars all the time, or nothing would get done.

So you are telling me this is a good allocation of resources?

[GabAlmighty]

Who are you to judge what is and isn't a priority? Are you an elected government official? A police officer? A city controller? The mayor?

Essentially, are you qualified or educated in any way shape or form to make a judgement call as to how resources should be allocated, or what is and isn't a "problem"? So you pay taxes, and all of a sudden you have the right to call the shots? So do millions of others. What if their tax dollars and opinion conflict with yours? It's a good thing we don't make our decisions based on tax dollars all the time, or nothing would get done.

Welcome to the internet good sir.

[nns]

So you are telling me this is a good allocation of resources?


No. What i'm trying to communicate to you is that there are resources we aren't aware of, and priorities that need attention for reasons that we may not know about or fully understand. Just because you, I, or anybody else thinks it's a waste of this and that doesn't automatically make it so. The difference between an ignorant individual and a rather intelligent individual is that the latter understands this, and accepts it. The former just complains, not knowing what he's talking about, all the while looking like what Soundy said, "an ignorant asshole".

It's great to have an opinion. Just put some thought into it, instead of just spitting it out like so many people do here.

[GabAlmighty]

It's great to have an opinion. Just put some thought into it, instead of just spitting it out like so many people do here.

Now this, I'll agree with.

[Soundy]

Point being here is that the police is investing in NEW testing devices.
Is this not what RS has been begging for? Go search "exhaust noise" in Police Forum and just see if you can keep up with how many posters there whine about getting excessive noise tickets from cops who "never actually measured" the noise level. This should make them all happy: no more guessing, now the cops will have a hard reading of how far over the limit your exhaust is.

Is this where the priorities lie in law enforcement?
This question would be funny if it weren't so obtuse. You make it sound as if ALL OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT was being suspended in favor of cracking down on noise. No more will there be speed traps, drunk-driving checks, vice and drug sweeps, murder investigations... the police have only ONE PRIORITY now: busting all those stupid fart cans!

All that aside. BC has so many other pressing issues that need to be focused and wasting police man hours as well as dollars to combat something that really isn't a major problem is insane. Its a cash grab and nothing else.
Ah yes, the old "cash grab" whinge had to get trotted out sooner or later.

Hey fucktard: go over to North Van on the days listed... get your exhaust checked FOR FREE with no worry about getting a ticket or VI... find out what your actual noise level is and what needs to be done to fix it if it's too high... and guess what? You get to STICK IT TO THE MAN by not having to give him any of your money!

How fucking stupid can you be?

[Noble]

And this again is proof that vancouver is nothing but a bunch of fufu bicycle short wearin starbucks sippin fairies.

Its one thing to have an aftermarket exhaust and be a douche driving it but its another to just have an aftermarket exhaust on your car and being responsible.

The biggest problem that comes from this is the fact that the police nowdays are so stupid, they'll do anything they're trained to do. If they were informed that mustangs only came from the factory in a v6 model and all mustangs with v8's are modified "street racers", they'd actually believe it!

So you tell the whole department that any aftermarket exhaust is illegal, they're gonna be pulling over every car that sounds somewhat loud with a shiny exhaust.

And really, the consistancy of holding up this law is completely thrown out the window. There may be "trained" officers at these testings possibly with decibel meters but that doesn't change the fact that any joe blow powertrip cop on the street that woke up on the wrong side of the bed that has his banana hammock riding up on him can just hand you a ticket just cause he could hear you. And on top of that, chances are when they hand you a ticket, they won't even bother testing the noise level of your exhaust with a proper decibel meter.

Which really boils down to this...

If you get a ticket for this bs, dispute it, go weld in a resonator or put your stock exhaust back on. If you can, get the decibal level tested by a third party. Record the data as fully as you can, i.e. decibels at idle, 2000 rpms, 3000 rpms, etc. Then, send in a letter to the court and to the issuing officer stating that your requesting the service and calibration records of the decibel tester.

When you go to court, tell the worship that you got your exhaust tested, it read so and so decibels which is nowhere near the legal limit. You've requested the service and calibration records from the officer (chances are you won't get it) and they were never provided which brings in to question whether or not the instrument used to measure the noise level was even functioning properly. If the officer didn't even use a decibel meter, then you have black and white proof that your car is within legal limits.

The ticket will get thrown out and you can leave the courtroom with the satisfaction that your tax dollars were actually used on you for once.

Now I'm not condoning pulling this scheme or any other "wise" ideas people may come up with. I'm just merely stating that handing out fines based on such shaky grounds is a waste of not only the cops but the general public's time as well.

If they wanted to do more roadside checks on idiots driving while yaking on cell phones, then I'm all for it.

[Soundy]

THIS THREAD =
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4127992813_91c0640808.jpg

[hk20000]

Hmmm my factory AMG exhaust is pretty loud..... Maybe I should go test it...

[hotong]

yah harleys are fucking dumb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4qVd6E_Ec

[Noble]

Driving with an aftermarket exhaust = $109 dollar fine and 3 points.

Being an RCMP member and running over a guy on a motorcycle while drunk, leaving the scene of the accident = a paid vacation and a promotion to a desk job.

Landing in BC and not speaking any english = 50000 volt complimentary taser which leads to death.

Being the guy that tasered a completely innocent guy = nothing happens.




Can you seriously tell me that there's nothing fucked up with this province?

[hk20000]

I'm more confused with the location of it....do they mean this bus parking lot?
main street - Google Maps

or the parking lot off Oxford Street? Coz I'd find an opening and WOT my Galant nearby to let them hear it.

[yvrnycracer]

Ah yes, the old "cash grab" whinge had to get trotted out sooner or later.

Hey fucktard: go over to North Van on the days listed... get your exhaust checked FOR FREE with no worry about getting a ticket or VI... find out what your actual noise level is and what needs to be done to fix it if it's too high... and guess what? You get to STICK IT TO THE MAN by not having to give him any of your money!

How fucking stupid can you be?

I would actually consider respecting your opinion if you didn't resort to acting like a 2 year old in your response...

Simply put you CANNOT test how loud a car is on a city street. There is too much ambient noise to skew the reading...

And as another poster said there are probably factory exhausts that exceed this "standard" or WOULD exceed it when tested in the downtown core next to idling traffic and an active construction zone.

And why the hell should I have to waste my time going to check my exhaust noise when I drive a bone stock car?

When you go to court, tell the worship that you got your exhaust tested, it read so and so decibels which is nowhere near the legal limit. You've requested the service and calibration records from the officer (chances are you won't get it) and they were never provided which brings in to question whether or not the instrument used to measure the noise level was even functioning properly. If the officer didn't even use a decibel meter, then you have black and white proof that your car is within legal limits.

The ticket will get thrown out and you can leave the courtroom with the satisfaction that your tax dollars were actually used on you for once.

That's great and all... but why should someone have to go and defend themselves when they may have not broken the law in the first place? Why should an officer get to fine someone if they don't even go through the process of checking to see if they are in fact violating the law? If in fact the car fails a roadside test it should be sent to a government facility to be tested. Simple.

[GabAlmighty]

Everyone go with straight pipes. If I hadn't just given my car to a friend i'd roll down with it, at the very least I could deafen the cops and not have to worry about it until I left the parking lot.

[Berzerker]

Holy shit its NOBLE!!!!

Berz out.

[wnderinguy]

On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements. Only street legal and street safe motorcycles and vehicles will be tested.

All others will be ticketed towed/impounded:thumbsup:

Do you really think that they are gonna ignore "other " Ticket-able offenses?

[Shun Izaki]

hahaha but im sure you have a proper exhaust setup with a deeper sound. Im talking about the canadian tire specials on ricer civics and cavalierrs
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spoon n1 axel-back, t1R b-pipe, kiddracing race header... sure it gives off some fumes *coughcough*... but it's certaintly quieter than 99% of the garbage i hear...

then again, fart cans are not LOUD... they are just annoying to your brain... that's why they are heard as loud

Holy shit its NOBLE!!!!

Berz out.

i was about to say...

[chun]

I wonder if that constable has ever ridden a motorcycle. His statement about the noise only being an annoyance makes me feel otherwise.
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[supman7]

can you still get VI'd when on day permit?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

yes you can

[Berzerker]

You can VI anytime man. I had friend who had a cop wait an hour for him to come out of his friends house and gave him a box 1 for his exhaust when his car wasn't even running. He came out, cop said "Is this yours?" He said yes cop said I'm calling a Tow Truck because of reports of his exhaust being to loud.

The whole VI thing is the most brutal thing our legal system has towards our cars. The fact that an officer can give you a notice and order (VI) even as your driving out of a VI testing facility having just passed and there's nothing you can do about is the biggest hunk of horse shit in vehicle world.

Berz out.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^


yup Vis are the gayest shit a cop can pull on u

[Mr.Jay]

That's how they make their quotas tho

This fuckin sucks I work in north van and will have to be very careful now haha hopefully when I drive by them doin the free test they won't pull me over
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[GabAlmighty]

You can VI anytime man. I had friend who had a cop wait an hour for him to come out of his friends house and gave him a box 1 for his exhaust when his car wasn't even running. He came out, cop said "Is this yours?" He said yes cop said I'm calling a Tow Truck because of reports of his exhaust being to loud.

The whole VI thing is the most brutal thing our legal system has towards our cars. The fact that an officer can give you a notice and order (VI) even as your driving out of a VI testing facility having just passed and there's nothing you can do about is the biggest hunk of horse shit in vehicle world.

Berz out.

You talkin about raiden's misshap?

[Soundy]

This fuckin sucks I work in north van and will have to be very careful now haha hopefully when I drive by them doin the free test they won't pull me over
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See, this is what I'm talking about: bozos who just jump in and rattle off all sorts of idiocy without actually reading or paying attention.

Did you read the quoted article, at all? Did you even glance at it?

"On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements."

There's also nothing there about pulling anyone over - they're set up so people can come in and get their exhausts tested. IT'S VOLUNTARY.

Maybe if you think your exhaust has a problem you need to stop in there and have them check.

[wasabisashimi]

All I can say is ABOUT FUCKING TIME!

I hate those Harley straight pipe losers.

does harley motorcycle come with factory straight pipe or douchbag modified?

[moomooCow]

See, this is what I'm talking about: bozos who just jump in and rattle off all sorts of idiocy without actually reading or paying attention.

Did you read the quoted article, at all? Did you even glance at it?

"On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements."


There's also nothing there about pulling anyone over - they're set up so people can come in and get their exhausts tested. IT'S VOLUNTARY.

Maybe if you think your exhaust has a problem you need to stop in there and have them check.

Only street legal and street safe motorcycles and vehicles will be tested.

I think they purposely made it vague about amnesty on other possible offenses. So what happens with other vehicles that are deemed illegal / unsafe? VI? All I'm saying is that it's possible for them to hand out VI's and tickets for other offenses but then again, that would be a huge dick move on their part so I'm not sure if they'd do it.

[!Yaminashi]

You can VI anytime man. I had friend who had a cop wait an hour for him to come out of his friends house and gave him a box 1 for his exhaust when his car wasn't even running. He came out, cop said "Is this yours?" He said yes cop said I'm calling a Tow Truck because of reports of his exhaust being to loud.


Holy shit thats rough:cry:
Good thing my exhaust is super duper quiet :)

[speedking]

i ask the rcmp of what's the legal limit db for cars and this is their response.

There is a parallel approach for the topic of vehicle noise in BC.

First of all, it is the enforcement side: "No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler or exhaust system to which is attached any device which increases the noise of the expulsion of the gases from the engine or allows a flame to be emitted from the exhaust system...No person shall start, drive, turn or stop any motor vehicle, or accelerate the vehicle engine while the vehicle is stationary, in a manner which causes any loud and unnecessary noise in or from the engine, exhaust system or the braking system, or from the contact of the tires with the roadway...The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise."

The Courts allow the enforcement officer's opinion as evidence if a vehicle's exhaust system is producing more noise than that of a similar model. A decibel meter reading is NOT necessarily required for a conviction.

The second approach is standard set for approved inspection facilities. The maximum allowable sound pressure level in DBA for light duty vehicles is 83 (not 84 and over), Motorcycles is 91, etc. These maximum allowable levels are specifically set for inspection facilities. The important point is a driver could still receive a violation ticket for excessive noise from the exhaust if in the enforcement officer's opinion that the vehicle's exhaust system is producing more noise than a similar model vehicle.

[Phil@rise]

"What profiling?"

What profiling? You deny profiling exists on our streets when it comes to traffic and bylaws and their enforcement.
Sport compacts with aftermarket anything gets yanked.

Domestic (classic or not) muscle cars don't unless driven like a fool.

Why is that?
I've owned more cars then I care to count and when I drove any of my sport compacts and imports I get pulled over far more frequently then I do in any of my domestics. And when I get pulled over in either I get far more hassle in my sport cars then I do in my domestics.
I've experienced what I consider profiling and on far to many occasions to consider just bad luck.
A good amount of our laws and people that enforce them just paint with a big bloody brush and far to often officers are allowed to exercise judgment against us as they see fit when they can't even exercise sound judgment for themselves. This is the kind of activity that supports "profiling".

[Raid3n]

You talkin about raiden's misshap?

doubtful, but its a similar situation.

[supman7]

This is such awful timing now that they're really cracking down. My car is loud even with my silencer on, I barely drive it as it is and now the pressure of getting towed when I finally get to enjoy it this summer. Has the noise levels gotten that bad?

The next RS meet will be a all you can tow buffet, especially with the people who love to rip their car around will really bring the heat.

[supman7]

You can VI anytime man. I had friend who had a cop wait an hour for him to come out of his friends house and gave him a box 1 for his exhaust when his car wasn't even running. He came out, cop said "Is this yours?" He said yes cop said I'm calling a Tow Truck because of reports of his exhaust being to loud.

The whole VI thing is the most brutal thing our legal system has towards our cars. The fact that an officer can give you a notice and order (VI) even as your driving out of a VI testing facility having just passed and there's nothing you can do about is the biggest hunk of horse shit in vehicle world.

Berz out.

so if he denied that it was his car he could of avoided it entirely? Or would it gotten towed anyways? That's very excessive without even a warning, but I assume he was driving low revs in the residential area?

[GabAlmighty]

See, this is what I'm talking about: bozos who just jump in and rattle off all sorts of idiocy without actually reading or paying attention.

Did you read the quoted article, at all? Did you even glance at it?

"On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements."

There's also nothing there about pulling anyone over - they're set up so people can come in and get their exhausts tested. IT'S VOLUNTARY.

Maybe if you think your exhaust has a problem you need to stop in there and have them check.

Very easy for them to put a note on your "profile" so next time your plate gets run you'll get one.

[Noble]

Holy shit its NOBLE!!!!

Berz out.

Hehe yup! Hi Berz! :D

[JordanLee]

So scared. Titanium straight pipe with no resonators or a cat. Under axle too...

[Shun Izaki]

This is such awful timing now that they're really cracking down. My car is loud even with my silencer on, I barely drive it as it is and now the pressure of getting towed when I finally get to enjoy it this summer. Has the noise levels gotten that bad?

The next RS meet will be a all you can tow buffet, especially with the people who love to rip their car around will really bring the heat.

your car is stupid loud with the silencer @ cold idle... then again, i'm not much better right now after the RH

Very easy for them to put a note on your "profile" so next time your plate gets run you'll get one.

apparently im super targeted in new-west + delta!

[LiquidTurbo]

^ how come?

[Soundy]

"What profiling?"

What profiling? You deny profiling exists on our streets when it comes to traffic and bylaws and their enforcement.
Yes, actually.
Sport compacts with aftermarket anything gets yanked.

Domestic (classic or not) muscle cars don't unless driven like a fool.
That's funny.

Friend of mine drove a highly modified 91 Integra (lowered, exhaust, rims, tint, stupidly fast). The only time he ever even got a speeding ticket in it was when he reved it out past a cop. Cop told him, if he hadn't been so loud as to catch the cop's attention, he wouldn't have even bothered or probably even noticed him. He got more tickets in a bone-stock '08 Civic than he ever did in his 'Teg.

Meantime, I got more speeding tickets in my wife's '96 Grand Caravan than I ever did in my GLC, 240Z, Subaru, and three Accords, COMBINED.

Maybe the real problem is that the people who complain the most about being profiled, ARE the ones who drive like fools and draw attention to themselves.

[zulutango]

"Meantime, I got more speeding tickets in my wife's '96 Grand Caravan "

even Cops hate mini vans!!!:D

[Rodan]

I think there will be a huge surge in enforcement for the summer,due to more moddified cars/bikes on the road and then this will slow/calm down. This law is not new,it was changed a while ago from a specific db rating/speed to the officers opinion.

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/26_58_04

This addition is not there?
“The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, pistondisplacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.”

[Death2Theft]

It really comes down to annoyance level. I bet there will be tons of muscle cars that will get away with being loud vs 4 bangers and 13b's that sound like annoying weed whackers that get busted.

[FatalCloud]

I think there will be a huge surge in enforcement for the summer,due to more moddified cars/bikes on the road and then this will slow/calm down. This law is not new,it was changed a while ago from a specific db rating/speed to the officers opinion.

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/26_58_04

This addition is not there?
“The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, pistondisplacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.”

There lies the problem for me. too subjective.

[Momo251212]

Noisy motorcycles do not save lives........

sorry sir. i have to say...Bull Shit and Fuck you...

Thank you.


The government took enough money from us. HST, carbon tax. and now driver points. wuts next? credits?

[orgasm_donor]

Harleys = owned by HA generally
Police = owned by HA generally

Its been a 'problem' for years and years and years but too many Police turn a blind eye to excessively loud motorcycles. I don't see any of these Harley riders changing their exhausts back to stock anytime soon.

We should all have exhausts like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_JtoW7GrdY&feature=related

:)

[zulutango]

This law is not new,it was changed a while ago from a specific db rating/speed to the officers opinion.


Actually no, the section quoted has been there since the late 1980s at least, when I started working in BC. Nothing has changed. The only difference is that the Provincially mandated inspection stations were dropped. You used to have to undergo annual (?) inspections but it was dropped sometime before 1989. Other Province have annual inspections starting after a car was 2 years old or so. They used to have the db testing rooms/areas when the mandatory inspections were in force, or so I have been told by mechanics who used to do them.

[Mr.Jay]

See, this is what I'm talking about: bozos who just jump in and rattle off all sorts of idiocy without actually reading or paying attention.

Did you read the quoted article, at all? Did you even glance at it?

"On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements."

There's also nothing there about pulling anyone over - they're set up so people can come in and get their exhausts tested. IT'S VOLUNTARY.

Maybe if you think your exhaust has a problem you need to stop in there and have them check.

I actually did read all the comment but was thinking more along the lines of this...


I think they purposely made it vague about amnesty on other possible offenses. So what happens with other vehicles that are deemed illegal / unsafe? VI? All I'm saying is that it's possible for them to hand out VI's and tickets for other offenses but then again, that would be a huge dick move on their part so I'm not sure if they'd do it.


thanks you, thats exactly what I'm afraid of. Showing up and having them let me off for a loud exhaust but give me a couple other tickets while they were checking.

I know its voluntary but if I'm driving by and not attending and its in clear view of everyone that got tested, I can see they pulling me over and "making an example" just to show everyone they are serious


So Soundy go fuck yourself

[flagella]

some motorcycle's exhaust loudness is just ridiculous

[jlenko]

the real problem is that the people who complain the most about being profiled, ARE the ones who drive like fools and draw attention to themselves.

Bingo! :thumbsup:

[wnderinguy]

parking lot of the Main street off ramp at the Ironworkers Memorial bridge, on June 5th and 6th from 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. for free decibel testing of their exhaust systems.

So did any of you Bitches actually go?

[mb_]

"Meantime, I got more speeding tickets in my wife's '96 Grand Caravan "

even Cops hate mini vans!!!:D

True story :(

[BMW135i]

+1 for the Harleys, The noise they made and blasting on the street all the time.

I'd rather see Hayabusa blasting on the street over that.

[orange7]

this doesn't make sense..

so the sound from a v12 lambo doesn't bother the public, but the sound of a riced out I4 civic that is NOT as loud as a lambo's v12 bothers the public?

how does this make sense?

keep the noise level constant for all cars and all displacements.

[orange7]

Can anyone tell me if this situation would violate the noisy vehicle law?


a small displacement vehicle + a v8/v10 SoundRacer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8eOTGhTpDY

[hk20000]

if your stereo hits 92dB outside I suggest you go to a sound off event.

[Solo_D33A]

People should just go already! I did it today at about 1pm, there's nobody there other than a Harley doing test and 1 undercover crownvic and a police van, no other cops in hiding!

From the sounds of it, it seems they haven't gotten anyone there as 1 of the only 2 officers there don't even know how to test a car that's manual, as in what rpm range etc...

The harley came out with 90 and I hit 80. We're both given a section of MVA regarding exhaust etc.

[Jgresch]

^what do you drive? and what was the allowed db for your stock car?

[Solo_D33A]

I drove my 1986 MR2 with intake and exhaust. they count as 83 db for cars since it's light duty. bikes are 91db

[Jgresch]

what did test consist of? reving to 3k or what, I couldn't imagine they make you go anywhere past dd rpm

[Solo_D33A]

yeah, they see what's my red line, 7k, thus they tell me to go about 3k, just from idle and slowly rev up to 3k.

Harley went about 2.2k

[brute_4s]

for cars yes fartcans can be quite annoying depending on displacement.....Sorry honda guys but a 1.6 with a cold air intake does not need a 4 inch exhaust.

on the other hand as a motorcyclist i changed the can on my bike to make it louder because i realized a lot of ppl do not shouldercheck and when i ride my bike i like to be heard so idiots dont need to shouldercheck to know im there. that being said my bike is not unbelievably loud unless i really get onto the throttle like over 8000 rpm. (or when a guy is switching lanes into me and i pull the clutch and hit 16 grand to tell him im there)

[EgTeegy]

cant even have a shift knob without indicating the gears. wat the fuck, its my car, im sure i know how to shift god damn it.

Now THATS fucking rediculous! >_<

[taylor192]

Maybe the real problem is that the people who complain the most about being profiled, ARE the ones who drive like fools and draw attention to themselves.
I love this line! so true!

See, this is what I'm talking about: bozos who just jump in and rattle off all sorts of idiocy without actually reading or paying attention.
If you think the ignorance is bad here, you should see the comments on a local sport bike forum about this topic. So much drama queen fear mongering over "bad cops" :(

[taylor192]

The law is aimed at straight/loud pipe Harleys (~110 dB), and ricer fart cans (~100 dB). They are absolutely profiling and picking on certain demographics, yet for anyone who's ever been woken up by a fart can or loud pipe, you understand why.

For reference, the intensity of sound doubles every 3 dB, yet the loudness only doubles every 10 dB (due to pressure, volume, ... calculations). Thus Harleys (110 vs 91 limit) and fart cans (100 vs 83 limit) are nearly 4 times as loud as the limit.

Some sport bike riders posted their results from the testing this weekend. Of the 30+ bikes that were tested, the majority fell into a range of 90-95 dB for engine speed - which the RCMP officers noted they wouldn't even bother pulling a bike over for. One bike with a cored muffler was > 100 dB, and a couple of the litre bikes with aftermarket exhaust were ~100 dB. When speaking with the RCMP officers that said even these bikes would unlikely be pulled over, unless they were ripping up residential streets.

Here is my bike being tested:
77 dB at idle
88 dB at 5-6K (11K redline, 5-6K is reasonable to shift to keep noise down while in residential neighbourhoods)
Yosh slipon muffler

PASSED! My bike is way louder than most cars, so I think if you have a reasonable aftermarket muffler, you'll be fine.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/taylor192/Motorcycle%20Tag/IMG_4428.jpg

[nns]

Wow. So you're saying all the ninja cops hiding in the shrubs didn't ticket you when you left? Maybe they copied down your license plate. They may visit your house and disrespect your family.

[!Yaminashi]

I hope nobody narc'd you out

[taylor192]

Wow. So you're saying all the ninja cops hiding in the shrubs didn't ticket you when you left? Maybe they copied down your license plate. They may visit your house and disrespect your family.
No ninja cops, no cruisers behind billboards, no speed traps from private lanes, no photo radar vans, ... a big disappoint for any of the "bad cop" fear mongers. :shhh:

[Solo_D33A]

People should just go already! I did it today at about 1pm, there's nobody there other than a Harley doing test and 1 undercover crownvic and a police van, no other cops in hiding!


Wow. So you're saying all the ninja cops hiding in the shrubs didn't ticket you when you left? Maybe they copied down your license plate. They may visit your house and disrespect your family.

As I said above, there's no one else other than those 2 cops.

I don't understand what more do people want? They gave us an entire weekend of free testing and gave their words that they won't ticket anybody. I think they should even do this in the RS meet...

[nns]

No way. Too many families will get disrespected!

[optiblue]

Glad I bought one of the quietest exhausts available for my car! 3 resonators FTW!

[GabAlmighty]

I don't understand what more do people want? They gave us an entire weekend of free testing and gave their words that they won't ticket anybody. I think they should even do this in the RS meet...
I've had many a cops "word"... If I still had my loud car I may have gone, but I have since joined the ranks of boring DD's and don't need to worry about it anymore.