[jpark]

now i know ksport is not everyones favorite, even rob from garage 5 stopped me from purchasing k sport coilovers for my car.. but what about there big brake kits? ive researched on several different forums for a while and people who have bought them are quite satisfied with the brake kit in quality wise.. this ksport bbk and Endless are the only brands that make bbk for my car.. but endless is richboy stuff and ksport is quite affordable... any ideas how well these are built for?

1650$ includes
6 Piston Aluminum calipers
D.O.T. Compliant Stainless steel brake lines
Machined aluminum hats
Carbon steel brackets
304mm (12") large ventilated discs (16" wheels required)
High quality Ksport SC5 street brake pads (RC1 race pads available for additional cost)

http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/brake_kits_detail.asp?product_id=bk01

[TOPEC]

there's may be reasons that the kit costs less when compared to other kits
oh and endless is not rich boy stuff when compared to other brake kit companies out there.

and im gonna assume here, why do u need a bbk? is it for looks?

[Phil@rise]

Saftey is the biggest concern tho and when it comes to you life and that of others you have to ask why some are expensive and some are cheap. Aside from that first bit the first thing I look at when doing a big brake upgrade is piston diameters if they are not progressive you will find it difficult to modulate the brakes meaning they will be quite bitey and difficult to keep from locking up. Next is the construction materials and construction techniques cast forged billet etc and what grade of aluminum used the finishing materials are important also if you want them to look good for as long as possible.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

you dont need 6 piston , go with a 4 piston



Rotora/stoptech will be your cheapest quality set
i'd stay away from wilwood, their kit is garbage


for DD sports pad, SS lines, and a good fluid should be enough, with that said..i still love my four pot. Will never drive a single piston anymore in the future

[jpark]

there's may be reasons that the kit costs less when compared to other kits
oh and endless is not rich boy stuff when compared to other brake kit companies out there.

and im gonna assume here, why do u need a bbk? is it for looks?

well i need to get new brake pads, cuz they are done, but i found the affordable bbk so just wanted to give it a shot, i just want to feel the stoping performance with the bbk and yea mostly for looks... my car only has 170hp LOL


you dont need 6 piston , go with a 4 piston



Rotora/stoptech will be your cheapest quality set
i'd stay away from wilwood, their kit is garbage


for DD sports pad, SS lines, and a good fluid should be enough, with that said..i still love my four pot. Will never drive a single piston anymore in the future

yea if i end up getting some bbk ill probably consider 4pistons as well cuz its cheaper and i figured i dont really need 6pot..

[!Aznboi128]

I say upgrade pads + rotors + ss lines much cheaper and you can still use your stock wheels for winter

[AWDTurboLuvr]

you dont need 6 piston , go with a 4 piston



Rotora/stoptech will be your cheapest quality set
i'd stay away from wilwood, their kit is garbage



Which Wilwood kit have you run and why wouldn't you recommend them? I only ask because I've run a few Wilwood kits now and I haven't had any issues with them down at PIR or Mission here.

[Manic!]

No point in getting a bbk unless you are planing to go way over the speed limit.

[ShyGuy]

6piston caliper on a 12" rotor?

[Phil@rise]

No point in getting a bbk unless you are planing to go way over the speed limit.

Acceleration increases should be matched by deceleration increases.
Stoptech does make some nice calipers for the money and I have yet to encounter any problems with Wilwood calipers either

[TOPEC]

well i need to get new brake pads, cuz they are done, but i found the affordable bbk so just wanted to give it a shot, i just want to feel the stoping performance with the bbk and yea mostly for looks... my car only has 170hp LOL


u know a poorly designed bbk will probably have WORST stopping distances than oem brakes with a good set of pads, rotors, and proper cooling?
bigger is not always better.

[Manic!]

Acceleration increases should be matched by deceleration increases.
Stoptech does make some nice calipers for the money and I have yet to encounter any problems with Wilwood calipers either

It's don't matter how much HP you have. If 2 cars (same make model) weigh the same and are going the same speed they stop the same even if one has a lot more power.

The top speed of a Civic is 205 Km/h and the breaking system from the factory is designed to stop the car those speeds. Even if a Civic has added HP the breaking system should be fine at a lot higher than the speed limit.

http://www.carspecsdirectory.com/Honda.htm

[ShyGuy]

you should only need a BBK if you plan on tracking your car...the oem setup will be fade after a lap or two where as a proper BBK should give you relatively consistent braking performance throughout.

[tofu1413]

change your fluid, change to better pads, change rotors, and get steel braided lines.

try those first before thinking about BBK's.


if you like the look, quit wasting time and just get these:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/modifications-accessories/146146d1244545626-brake-calliper-covers-5d62_1.jpg

[jpark]

^lol

[yvrnycracer]

k-sport is garbage... had their coilovers and they were BAD... wouldn't want to trust something like brakes to them...

In the VW/Audi world we get our BBK's from Porsche Cayenne's... essentially a brembo GT kit!

[jpark]

yeah i heard that the ksport coilovers are terrible, they leak after a year thats what ive been told by garage 5

[XtC-604]

so....you want to risk your life to save money? its the people who buy knockoff seats, sure they may seat you well. But would you really want to know what would happen if you actually had to rely on it? I don't know about you, but i think i'd rather put my life on something that costs 2g than something thats 400bux.

^ and lol why is there a 1 piston "bbk" lol

[hk20000]

$1650 for a bbk isn't exactly cheap I think some applications from Brembo are about 1200 ish....

[XtC-604]

$1650 for a bbk isn't exactly cheap I think some applications from Brembo are about 1200 ish....

i wished, a brembo setup for example on my S2000 is 2.6g

In addition upon further review, that KSport kit has so little caliper material/

[jpark]

^exactly

[jing]

Why would you get their BBK if you're already second guessing yourself on their suspension systems?

[tofu1413]

so....you want to risk your life to save money? its the people who buy knockoff seats, sure they may seat you well. But would you really want to know what would happen if you actually had to rely on it? I don't know about you, but i think i'd rather put my life on something that costs 2g than something thats 400bux.

^ and lol why is there a 1 piston "bbk" lol

i wouldntve said it better. :thumbsup:

[impactX]

Get better tires and pads if you want better braking performance.

Get some SS braided lines if you want better braking feel.

[Shun Izaki]

since i decided to cheap out and totally fry my pads/rotors, i'll be getting my BCK (big caliper kit) soon! :P

wilwood's are pretty nice, pricey tho.

was thinking ITR brembos for my car, since they're OE there... it's pretty direct bolt-up

Honestly, you want a slightly advantage? bigger blanks from brembos maybe?

[Leopold Stotch]

rule of thumb* i believe from reading off a spocom mag is that

if you can lose traction braking hard, then your tire cant anymore braking power, so it doesnt matter how good your brakes are if your tires cant handle the power.

[wasabisashimi]

isnt there something bad about SS braided brake lines? (ie. durability..etc)

[felixy69]

alot of ppl use them over in UK, they are same as D2 racing....
if u search on www.gtr.co.uk .... alot of reviews on them....just cuz they are sold on ebay...doesn't mean they are bad products

[Death2Theft]

He's all about looks, therefore the more pistons the better. Aside from completely throwing off the braking balance of the car if it isn't a balanced four caliper kit. Instead of helping the car with " performance" it will make the car more dangerous under hard braking. This is why ricers give imports a bad name. In my own experience bbk doesn't do shit for stopping power on the street so throw that safety reason out the window. As mentioned tires will make the biggest difference on the street.
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[Y2K_o__o]

Big brake kit is completely useless you are going auto-X / road racing

spend the money for some good grippy tire for better braking distance

upgrading to big brake kit with cheap tires will result tire slipping.

[jpark]

He's all about looks, therefore the more pistons the better. Aside from completely throwing off the braking balance of the car if it isn't a balanced four caliper kit. Instead of helping the car with " performance" it will make the car more dangerous under hard braking. This is why ricers give imports a bad name. In my own experience bbk doesn't do shit for stopping power on the street so throw that safety reason out the window. As mentioned tires will make the biggest difference on the street.
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yep, im a ricer... and where did the shitty tire subject came from anyways? i never even mentioned what kind of tires im riding on...

[XtC-604]

rule of thumb* i believe from reading off a spocom mag is that

if you can lose traction braking hard, then your tire cant anymore braking power, so it doesnt matter how good your brakes are if your tires cant handle the power.
True but i would like to add that theres something called brake fade, and pedal feel

Big brake kit is completely useless you are going auto-X / road racing

spend the money for some good grippy tire for better braking distance

upgrading to big brake kit with cheap tires will result tire slipping.
No its not. I did a Vancouver to Maple Ridge run, doing slightly above average speeds and my brakes were faded so bad when i arrived at the destination at Maple Ridge.
Keep in mind this is on an S2000, which has some of the best stock brakes apparently according to reviewers, so good that some people would just change pads and track the car. There comes a point where your stock calipers just don't have enough material to absorb heat and disperse anymore.

Not to mention, the extra set of pad choices available on a BBK. While i will admit that i purchased Spoon calipers because of 50% looks. 50% was pedal feel and brake fade.

And no i'm not using some cheapy shit pads or fluids in the car.

so my advice is get a set of known reliable ones. ie endless, project mu, stoptech, brembo, Spoon, etc. Don't tell they don't fit, make the car fit the part.

[TOPEC]

He's all about looks, therefore the more pistons the better. Aside from completely throwing off the braking balance of the car if it isn't a balanced four caliper kit. Instead of helping the car with " performance" it will make the car more dangerous under hard braking. This is why ricers give imports a bad name. In my own experience bbk doesn't do shit for stopping power on the street so throw that safety reason out the window. As mentioned tires will make the biggest difference on the street.
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brake kits r manufactured with stock brake balance in mind, so in other words, even if u throw on a 12piston caliper onto the front of a civic and keep the stock rears, the brake balance is still the same as stock given u r using a kit that is meant for the right car.

[Death2Theft]

Not all companies do this therefore a company that does a four caliper upgrade will truely maximize your braking unless you use and tune your own proportioning valve.
Slot of companies think bbk race use so they will scrap stock rear brakes or run a proportioning Valve hence no need to balance. I'll leave it to you to figure out which ones when you do a panic stop in the wet.
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[Death2Theft]

Damn right I can bet your not running triple 8s neovas or any tire in that class.yep, im a ricer... and where did the shitty tire subject came from anyways? i never even mentioned what kind of tires im riding on...
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[Death2Theft]

Fact is the majority of people on here are after the looks. If a little run to ridge in a 240hp car faded ur brakes then you are either going fast enough to endanger the public or you have problems with your braking system. Which of the following did you have on your car before the bbk?
A. Fresh high temp brake fluid (never overheated and less than 3 months old)
B. SS brake lines to replace factory rubber lines.
C. High temp brake pads.
D. Full brake ducting with sealed duct work and dust covers.

There are a few more things u can do that I havnt bothered to put up.
But these should all be done before u need a bbk.

Only after you have tried all these and still suffer brake problems with a frilly tire should u consider bbk.
True but i would like to add that theres something called brake fade, and pedal feel


No its not. I did a Vancouver to Maple Ridge run, doing slightly above average speeds and my brakes were faded so bad when i arrived at the destination at Maple Ridge.
Keep in mind this is on an S2000, which has some of the best stock brakes apparently according to reviewers, so good that some people would just change pads and track the car. There comes a point where your stock calipers just don't have enough material to absorb heat and disperse anymore.

Not to mention, the extra set of pad choices available on a BBK. While i will admit that i purchased Spoon calipers because of 50% looks. 50% was pedal feel and brake fade.

And no i'm not using some cheapy shit pads or fluids in the car.

so my advice is get a set of known reliable ones. ie endless, project mu, stoptech, brembo, Spoon, etc. Don't tell they don't fit, make the car fit the part.
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[ShyGuy]

I agree with the above..there is no reason you should be able to fade a set of OEM brakes driving on the street. With proper pads, fluids and maybe SS lines, you should be good to go.

[tofu1413]

Fact is the majority of people on here are after the looks. If a little run to ridge in a 240hp car faded ur brakes then you are either going fast enough to endanger the public or you have problems with your braking system. Which of the following did you have on your car before the bbk?
A. Fresh high temp brake fluid (never overheated and less than 3 months old)
B. SS brake lines to replace factory rubber lines.
C. High temp brake pads.
D. Full brake ducting with sealed duct work and dust covers.

There are a few more things u can do that I havnt bothered to put up.
But these should all be done before u need a bbk.

Only after you have tried all these and still suffer brake problems with a frilly tire should u consider bbk.

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honestly, i only felt faded brake once: going down mt seymour i believe (well you get the idea how fast you can go..) , in my ae86.......... still running original rotors with some raybestos pads... and some ancient brake fluid.

shit it was scary. cooked the brakes and could actually smell burnt brakes inside the car...

[jpark]

Fact is the majority of people on here are after the looks. If a little run to ridge in a 240hp car faded ur brakes then you are either going fast enough to endanger the public or you have problems with your braking system. Which of the following did you have on your car before the bbk?
A. Fresh high temp brake fluid (never overheated and less than 3 months old)
B. SS brake lines to replace factory rubber lines.
C. High temp brake pads.
D. Full brake ducting with sealed duct work and dust covers.

There are a few more things u can do that I havnt bothered to put up.
But these should all be done before u need a bbk.

Only after you have tried all these and still suffer brake problems with a frilly tire should u consider bbk.

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thanks for the info but boy you really need to chill, i started this thread to simply ask how good are the ksport bbk, and now i know cuz of all the infomation... that they are not that great and and no need to spend money on bbk.. you didnt have to start calling me ricer blah blah blah, fuken goodness

[wasabisashimi]

Fact is the majority of people on here are after the looks. If a little run to ridge in a 240hp car faded ur brakes then you are either going fast enough to endanger the public or you have problems with your braking system. Which of the following did you have on your car before the bbk?
A. Fresh high temp brake fluid (never overheated and less than 3 months old)
B. SS brake lines to replace factory rubber lines.
C. High temp brake pads.
D. Full brake ducting with sealed duct work and dust covers.

There are a few more things u can do that I havnt bothered to put up.
But these should all be done before u need a bbk.

Only after you have tried all these and still suffer brake problems with a frilly tire should u consider bbk.

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what if he were to drive down the Coquihalla HWY with 20% descending hills

[Death2Theft]

It would be no different than if i were to decline down a 47.85% descending slope with the oscar meyer sausage truck aimed firmly at your rectum.

Or you could learn to downshift and use engine braking but thats just me.
what if he were to drive down the Coquihalla HWY with 20% descending hills

[flagella]

caliper covers FTW!! LOL

[jpark]

^dont caliper covers melt from the brake heat? LOL