[TOS'd]

For anyone that lives around that area may have noticed 2 new signs at the 4-way stop. Anyways, they decided to make 45th a right turn only except for bicycles. That means you cannot, legally, drive through Elliot/Clarendon via 45th ave. Or turn left from 45th on to Elliot/Clarendon either direction.

The majority of drivers do not notice this sign at all, and still treat the intersection as a normal 4-way stop. But you can and will get ticketed for driving through or turning left, I've already seen at least 1 guy get pulled over for a left turn. So this is just a little heads up.

Thoughts on new signage? Also since this is relatively new, will they be monitoring how this affects traffic patterns there? I've noticed many people speeding at 60 km/h through the alleys so they can get to the other side of 45th, east bound. This is way worse than what it was before.

[Greenstoner]

please refer my thread in Automotive forum, cyclist are taking over the GVRD

[syee]

I'm guessing it's because of the elementary school there and people driving way too fast through that area. (I'm trying to picture where you're talking about and I'm assuming it's blocked going east/west and not in the north/south direction?)

[cho]

when did this happen?
i go through there everyday for work =\

[Mr.Jay]

Yea when did this happen. I'm just up on tyne and sometimes I pass thru usin 45 and deff don't want any more tickets.

Thxs for heads up
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

[Presto]

The majority of drivers do not notice this sign at all


They see it. They just ignore it because they are stubborn on change.

[TOS'd]

They see it. They just ignore it because they are stubborn on change.

Not always the case. I've already seen a close accident, and the guy that crossed Elliot was unaware of the sign. For people that use that intersection daily they all know its a 4-way stop. And gives them no reason to look at the stop sign again.
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

[eurochevy]

???? what was wrong with this being a 4 way stop like every other 4 way stop????......i don't get it....*i will look at it today when i drive by as i pass by it at least once or twice a day since im like 3 blocks away*

[Dragon-88]

???? what was wrong with this being a 4 way stop like every other 4 way stop????......i don't get it....*i will look at it today when i drive by as i pass by it at least once or twice a day since im like 3 blocks away*

Heavy traffic. In vancouver the fastest streets to go through are the side streets.

[eurochevy]

Heavy traffic. In vancouver the fastest streets to go through are the side streets.

its not THAT bad there

[moomooCow]

I gotta say that's a pretty retarded move but I don't think it'll affect me at all, right turns on 45th / straight through on Clarendon are my usual routes hah. The traffic on 45th East of Clarendon is pretty busy though, maybe that's why they changed it?

[azncreationz]

Sounds okay to me..but that's because I bike through there. As long as I don't get ran over by one of those blind drivers...

[twitchyzero]

live around the area
i see quite a few people blowing right thru the 4 way stop throughout the years...pretty dangerous as there's lots of cyclists/peds/schoolchildren here

[optiblue]

Meeh, if there's an alley or other side streets, I shall find it!

[Anjew]

live around the area
i see quite a few people blowing right thru the 4 way stop throughout the years...pretty dangerous as there's lots of cyclists/peds/schoolchildren here

its not the fault of that intersection that drivers blow that stop sign... its the fault of the drivers themselves... they probably do it for all other stop signs

that change is just to change the flow of traffic...

[shenmecar]

why the hell for?!

[freakshow]

I just noticed this new sign today heading westbound on 45th. I then proceeded to watch the next 10 cars either go straight or turn left, both of which are now illegal.
If you take that 45th/Elliot intersection on a normal basis, you'd know that the placement of this sign is absolutely retarded..

Does anyone know the exact date of this sign going up?

[syee]

I just noticed this new sign today heading westbound on 45th. I then proceeded to watch the next 10 cars either go straight or turn left, both of which are now illegal.
If you take that 45th/Elliot intersection on a normal basis, you'd know that the placement of this sign is absolutely retarded..

Does anyone know the exact date of this sign going up?

Yeah, I noticed it the other day. It's covered up by the tree and you can't see it until you're 10 ft away from it. It's also above the stop sign so I am not surprised that almost everyone that pulls up to the intersection misses it.

[ceeteezy]

wow I thru that 4 way on a daily instead of driving down kerr street. This sucks

[TOS'd]

I just noticed this new sign today heading westbound on 45th. I then proceeded to watch the next 10 cars either go straight or turn left, both of which are now illegal.
If you take that 45th/Elliot intersection on a normal basis, you'd know that the placement of this sign is absolutely retarded..

Does anyone know the exact date of this sign going up?

Not sure the exact date, but I could find out for you. Apparently there was a notice given to residents around that area about the change.

[Gh0stRider]

map link (http://maps.google.ca/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=6538+Denbigh+Ave,+Burnaby,+Greater+Vancouver +Regional+District,+British+Columbia+V5H+3R7&ll=49.229371,-123.054793&spn=0,0.004128&z=19&layer=c&cbll=49.229369,-123.054658&panoid=IyOJYOsAd10-QNYYjlv5eA&cbp=12,272.56,,0,13.42)

[TOS'd]

Pic I forgot to upload the other day.

http://i47.tinypic.com/9bd6v7.jpg

[anti_rice]

give it a few weeks and the city is going to put those triangular islands in the way so they force drivers to go right.

[Rogue951]

doesnt bother me.. I go north on clarendon. =)
but yeah they will put in the concrete barriers soon.

[freakshow]

Not sure the exact date, but I could find out for you. Apparently there was a notice given to residents around that area about the change.If you could.. it'd be nice :)

[EmperorIS]

aw what the fuck man .. i turn right in there to get home

[fliptuner]

Pic I forgot to upload the other day.

http://i47.tinypic.com/9bd6v7.jpg
That's funny and sad at the same time. All the years people have been straight through and all they do is bolt a new sign up. HAHAAA. Any time I see a right turn only there's a "Y" shaped median directing you to the direction you're allowed to turn. edit: just read that they will be putting one in but it's still stupid that they'd put the sign in first.

Guaranteed, most of the guys that blow through either notice the sign and don't care or have been driving through for so long, they don't even notice.

[Vansterdam]

i always wonder what the story behind those "yours/ours"

signs

[TOS'd]

^ or that wall-less house on nanimo, north or 41st.

[LengJai]

Damn never noticed, thx for pointing that out. I live right by there and take that route all the time

[sexyaccord]

Pic I forgot to upload the other day.

http://i47.tinypic.com/9bd6v7.jpg


I think they tried a lot of things on that intersection.
i remembered 9-10 years ago, there was a NO LEFT TURN sign on there temporary, and there was a triangle island just temporary, saw a lot of people get pulled over, when i was walking home from school

[twitchyzero]

i just realized this todayRupert and 45th ave also has a right turn only (45th ave eastbound). the claredeon one makes sense but the rupert one is pointless

[sTi-K]

From what I recall.. the only reason they are putting up these signs and barriers is to limit the unnecessary traffic which passes through 45th.. considering how 45th is not a main street yet there are lots of vehicles that go through that street everyday.

[TOS'd]

Drove by this morning, they made Elliot narrower at the 4 way stop by drawing a line closer to the sidewalk. Basically a small island on the N and S of the intersection. This now makes it more difficult to left turn onto Elliot via 45th. Which is what they want to achieve.

And I am also told that barriers will soon be up to force a right turn from 45th.


Also, I wasn't able to get the exact day the signs went up, only an approx. one.
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

No real picture cause it's kinda hard to take one of the lines.
This changes my everyday route now, since I can no longer turn left onto 45th ave. fuckkkk

http://i45.tinypic.com/2q0k9yw.jpg

[TOS'd]

http://i50.tinypic.com/vy8kmb.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2hykvuw.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/jqkz09.png

[Dragon-88]

Good. I hate that stop sign too many people and soo many people try to run it...

[sonick]

They put the same thing on 41st and Angus. No idea why.

[TOS'd]

It's a fucking mess now. Everyone that used the intersection before are now seeing it changed for the first time. This means lots of ppl stopping their cars in the MIDDLE of the intersection trying to figure out how to do left turns, or people still stopping on Elliot thinking there is still a stop sign there.

[Dragon-88]

It's a fucking mess now. Everyone that used the intersection before are now seeing it changed for the first time. This means lots of ppl stopping their cars in the MIDDLE of the intersection trying to figure out how to do left turns, or people still stopping on Elliot thinking there is still a stop sign there.

LOL with the type of drivers we have give it a year before anyone understands.

[yoall]

http://i49.tinypic.com/2hykvuw.jpg



I saw a ML do that while I was walking my dog.

People are now making a left turn on 46th ave now. hahhahah

[TOS'd]

I saw a ML do that while I was walking my dog.

People are now making a left turn on 46th ave now. hahhahah

Which is fucking retarded cause there is a school there and speed bumps. Plus I doubt they care what the speed limit is there.

[EmperorIS]

i don't get the point of doing this ...

the 4 way stop was a lot more safe then this barrier bullshit

[bubba_g]

Its probably part of the same initiative to make the city more cycling friendly, like the recent dunsmuir lane dedication to bikes only. I guess its easier for cyclist to deal with just the north south flow of cars, rather then from all 4 directions.

[cho]

god damn people still treating it as a 4 way stop!!!

[yoall]

IICR, this is on trial for the next 3 months. I will try to find my letter they sent out.

Well see who i can contact and oppose this crap.

[taloni]

I e-mail the story to Michael Klassen, columnist at 24hrs newspaper.
He is going to come down and listen to what the residents have to say.

Meet Michael Klassen
Friday June 25, 2010 2:45PM
At
Waverley elementary school (Clarendon and 46th)

I talked to 30+ neighbours on St Margarets St. and we have 90% against the median barrier 10% no comment, and 0% in support of the median barrier.

The stats definitely is telling the City something.
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

[freakshow]

I e-mail the story to Michael Klassen, columnist at 24hrs newspaper.
He is going to come down and listen to what the residents have to say.

Meet Michael Klassen
Friday June 25, 2010 2:45PM
At
Waverley elementary school (Clarendon and 46th)

I talked to 30+ neighbours on St Margarets St. and we have 90% against the median barrier 10% no comment, and 0% in support of the median barrier.

The stats definitely is telling the City something.
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)
My friend lives literally 3 houses away from that corner. He prefers it this way.

[tofu1413]

seriously. why?


.............

[sunny_j]

My friend lives literally 3 houses away from that corner. He prefers it this way.

my buddy lives about a block away and hates it

[Sentinel]

I live down the street and I think its retarded.
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

[taloni]

After talking to the neighbours, we find out that Mike Anderson from the City engineering service is just a frontman put ther by the mayor Greg Robinson and his sidekick Jerry Dobrovolny city engineer.

E-mail mike Anderson is like listening to city cycling advertising. Primary purpose of the median barrier is reduce traffic for cyclist. Their safety is important, so the residents just have to suffer the incovenence.

But do E-mail him and mayorandcouncil@Vancouver.ca and get a reply mail.

The mayor and his lackey is trying to push through hoping no one fight back. I ask how many people complain and the city want me to think I am the only one.

Don't let them fool you. Almost everyone in the neighbourhood want the barrier gone. We just have to find out how to present the polling stats.

I am trying to get the waverley school parents and teachers to talk about the increase traffic along 46th. The school zone is the only alternative route to get around the barrier without going 4 blocks away. Hopefully it get put on the agenda in september. Somehow I got the feeling the timing is on purpose. Barrier went up just after last PT meeting before summer break...
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

[taloni]

I wish to thank everyone that came to the Friday June 25, 2010 meeting. Not only the neighbours that I met during my Tuesday walk around Margarets St. showed up, but also many other that heard about the meeting and decide to come.

I told Michael Klassen from Citycaucus that there would be "a few" residents that are willing to come out and share the story on Friday afternoon. We were overwhelm by the 25+ people that show up. This is huge considering that I only talked to about 30 neighbours and most are not available on early Friday afternoon.

Michael contacted Global TV News and CKNW News when he realizes this is a big story that affect many many residents.

CKNW and Global News Cameraman was gracious to interview several residents and hear our side of story. What make it even better is we also have cyclists view on camera and tape recording. Everyone hates the median barrier. The cyclists said it is so dangerous to cross the intersection now that they have to wait once at the stop sign and once more at the median barrier before able to cross the intersection.

This is not just about the cyclists being at risk, but also any parents with stroller trying to cross Clarendon. With the 4 Ways STOP signs before, the vehicle speed is around 30km/hr near the intersection. Now the speed that vehicles drive down that stretch of Clarendon is around 60km/hr. If you ask me, it is clear which traffic pattern is safer.

Many people probably wondering what will happen next?

We are planning to raise the median barrier issue during the Waverley Parents/Teachers meeting in September. We are going to ask the school Principal to consider open the meeting to the public like a "townhall" meeting, so all neighbourhood residents can come and voice their concerns.

We will also invite Michael Klassen from Citycaucus, Global TV News and CKNW news to the "town hall" meeting. We estimate that we would have at least a few hundreds concern parents/teachers/residents at the meeting. With the show of group force, we are confident that we can force the Mayor/City Engineering Services to back down and dismantle the median barrier.

I will update this blog and tell the neighbourhood once all the "townhall" meeting detail are confirmed.

Thanks everyone!

[quasi]

That looks like an ideal spot for a traffic circle.

[twitchyzero]

i'm in the neighbourhood and want it gone..
are there barriers at 45th and rupert as well?
it's right turn only for some time now..i dindt realize it until few weeks ago

[Gh0stRider]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/TRD604/Spotted/IMG00219-20100626-1312.jpg

[bootymac]

.

[TOS'd]

Lol, today I was driving towards the intersection while going north on Elliot. And I saw a cop car on 45th, he turned on his signal then did a left turn on to the opposite lane and then cut to the right side of the road, then turned off his signal.

[danned]

stupid cops

[TOS'd]

So... now that people are starting to get used to this change, the city has decided to make another change! According to their data collected by those wires on the road, they have discovered there is an increase in speed along Elliot (NO SHITTT people dont have to stop at 45th anymore, stupid city planners). So they plan on adding BACK the 2 stop signs they removed, so cars will have to stop at the intersection before continuing, which would make cars travel slower next to the school since they are starting from a stop. But we all know this isn't going to work, theres going to be a lot of people rolling those stop signs, and im thinking there will be a few accidents too from people traveling on Elliot and not realizing the city added back those stop signs. Honestly that intersection looks like a piece of crap, too much going on.

Coles Notes:
- 45th and Elliot will go back to being a 4 WAY STOP
- Barriers will STILL be there
- Prepare for people rolling the stop signs on Elliot


No date has been set, so these could go up anytime soon.
Hopefully by the end of the trial, supposedly end of november, they will realize this was a stupid idea to begin with and with the amount of people complaining, they will remove the barriers.

The citys goal, apparently, is to remove ALL traffic from this area...like wtf?

Source: Waverly Elementary School PAC meeting, Sept. 22, 2010

[twitchyzero]

honestly i've gotten used to the barriers and i dont mind it anymore. it makes traffic flow faster.

so they are adding the 2 stop signs to elliot or on 45th? your coles notes doesnt make sense..there can't be 4 stop signs AND barrier (how else who 45th traffic get thru?)

[tofu1413]

well if you guys want it gone earlier...


a few bricks of claymore should do the trick.

[TOS'd]

honestly i've gotten used to the barriers and i dont mind it anymore. it makes traffic flow faster.

so they are adding the 2 stop signs to elliot or on 45th? your coles notes doesnt make sense..there can't be 4 stop signs AND barrier (how else who 45th traffic get thru?)

4 stop signs + barrier + no left turns.

They are making it so when you are on elliot, you have to stop at the 45th intersection like you did before. It's just theres still a barrier preventing the left turns.

There whole logic behind putting these things up is to make it extremely inconvenient for cars to navigate the area. They literally want NO traffic in the area, which is retarded since its also a transit route. The effectively made the situation worse by making traffic flow faster. Traffic flowing faster on elliot is bad for the school, no one obeys the schoolzone 30km/h because of that. So they realized they screwed up big time with the barrier, so they are putting back the 2 stop signs they took out.

[moomooCow]

What the fuck.

Seriously, what the fuck???? What's wrong with people going 60 in that area? Barriers + 4 way stops...... who the hell am I stopping for?? Bicyclists?!?!?

And TOS'd, are you sure it was ever a 30 zone on Elliott? I don't recall seeing any signs... and I drive by there quite often hahah :confused:

[TOS'd]

^ Sry, I meant just the 1 block of school where its a schoolzone and the speed is reduced to 30km/h.

[mickz]

I know someone who lives just off that intersection on 45th. She says whenever she pulls her car out of the garage now she has to be extra careful because people are just flooring it in the alley.

[Meowjin]

glad i live in richmond for once and dont have to deal with this eco idiot.

[Skittlez160]

That looks like an ideal spot for a traffic circle.

There's way too much traffic for a traffic circle there. Besides, have you seen the majority of Vancouver drivers and traffic circles? No one understands the concept that you yield to the traffic that's already at/in the circle.

I used to take this route regularly as my mom lives in the area and I'm one of the few who actually likes the new barries. Way too many idiots run through those 4 way stops signs. Some idiot in a black CSX blew right through there once going west on 45th Ave., didn't even slow down one bit.

EDIT: What about a traffic light?

[TOS'd]

^ neither of those effectively reduce the speed in the area. im all for the way it was before, since i had to left turn like everyday, now i have to make a big detour.

if the city wants to go with their plan of effectively stopping all outside traffic from going around that area, the only way i could see that happening is if they laid a shitload of speedbumps on elliot, LOL.

[cho]

i make this trip every day to work
some of the people still stop as if there were a stop sign
and most of the people just blow past it like nothing

and then theres always people just crossing when they feel like it running to the middle =\
it was better before with just the 4way stop

[Sentinel]

I think last week somebody else form city hall came by and talked to the residents of this area. Lots of people bitched about it.

The rep from city hall said they are going to keep this barrier until nov and see how it goes.