[goo3]

We should do it :thumbsup:


Increasing Canada's population from 34 million to 100 million would make the country 'a serious force to be reckoned with,' says Irvin Studin of the University of Toronto.

Increasing Canada's population from 34 million to 100 million would make the country 'a serious force to be reckoned with,' says Irvin Studin of the University of Toronto.
Photograph by: Arlen Redekop, File -- PNG, Canwest News Service

Canada should increase immigration rates to become a country of 100 million people and a proper world power, according to a rising star on public policy.

In a provocative essay to be published Tuesday in the international affairs magazine Global Brief, the University of Toronto's Irvin Studin explores the strategic power that could be wielded by 100 million Canadians occupying a vast territory rich in natural resources, technology and strong national institutions.

"Grow the population variable significantly, and watch the overall strategic power of the country multiply," writes Studin, who is with the School of Public Policy and Governance.

The former Privy Council Office staffer co-authored Canada's National Security Policy and is founding editor and publisher of the nascent Global Brief magazine and globalbrief.ca.

Studin calculates an aggressive immigration push to roughly triple Canada's current population of 34 million would, over a few generations, produce a pincerlike effect.

"First, a far larger demographic base to build strong national institutions and structures across the vast territory of Canada -- institutions that, while today are often absent or weak, would eventually serve as a bulwark for international strategic influence."

Second, a far larger talent pool to populate the strategic arms of the state -- the military, diplomatic, civil service and political branches of government, as well as business, cultural, educational and scientific sectors.

There'd be more generals, Nobel Laureates, international virtuosos and a more muscular national vitality to counter the cultural influences of the United States, with its 309 million citizens.

"In the process, the Canada of

100 million . . . becomes a serious force to be reckoned with."

Studin acknowledges there will be opposition to his ideas.

"Regarded as radically absurd on the economic logic (for where are the jobs?), it may be regarded as wholly irresponsible and reckless by others, for how is a country to absorb or integrate immigration waves that, over time, outstrip even the total current incumbent population?"

A Canada of 100 million would go a long way toward addressing the difficulty of building across the country's vast geography, Studin writes.

"The Canada of 100 million has a far larger national market and the attendant economies of scale and scope -- for ideas, for debate, for books, for newspapers, for magazines, for all species of goods and services.

"It has many large, dynamic, global cities . . . [to] serve as incubators and competitive arenas for innovation, productivity and creative ambition -- all derivatives, as it were, of humans rubbing up against humans.

"There are sufficient numbers across the country to populate substantial, applied research institutions; to aid the generation of policy ideas; to create bona fide national institutions of higher culture in the musical, visual and theatrical arts; to justify national sports leagues where today, in Canada, there is, to many outside observers' surprise, perhaps one at most."

At 100 million, he continues, "Canada has cutting-edge, world-beating companies that are far larger and more numerous across the sectors."

Statistics Canada's highest projected growth rates put the population at 47,686,000 by 2036 and 63,755,900 by 2061.

Canada's population has roughly tripled every 65 or so years and Studin says the country could arguably make a policy push to reach the 100-million mark within a few generations, approximately 2080, largely through increased, "although not radically increased" immigration.

"At 100 million, this is among the most powerful and important countries in the world. And the world will take good note."
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His full essay:

http://globalbrief.ca/blog/2010/06/14/canada-%E2%80%93-population-100-million/

[dinamix]

thanks for pointing out the obvious captain obvious..any multicultural nation with more than 100mill people with thrive for sure..only diff with us and the states is that we have less black people..

[goo3]

LOL what? Brazil, Mexico? Hello, anything in there? Knock. Knock.

[Onassis]

More people, more logistical problems. Anything that is forced or rushed usually don't turn out well, we should just allow things to move naturally.

[slammer111]

If there aren't enough jobs, you're just going to create a whole bunch of ghettos. Look at USA, China, India, and France.

I say maintain status quo, which is just a few % increase in the population every year.

[El Bastardo]

Populations are like breast sizes. Quality, not quantity.

What I mean is that if we just start letting anyone in we'll likely get the people who can't make it in other countries showing up on our doorstep begging for better education, free healthcare, and welfare. Then begins the social divide and after a while the conditions are no better than the country they left.

By dispersing the volume evenly you create something well rounded that looks really good. By letting just anything in it gets fat and saggy around the bottom.


Don't make Canada a saggy tit.

[johny]

vancouver and toronto can't handle another 70 mill...

[Ferra]

problem is most "immigrants" nowadays come here with a refugees status...they do not pay tax and receives thousands of dollars of welfare benefit...

This is a problem a lot of european countries are having right now, and this is why there are so much anti-immigrant sentiment in those countries.

[dachinesedude]

no more mainlanders please, i hate dealing with them

[nack]

no more mainlanders please, i hate dealing with them

your name contradicts itself

[jackmeister]

your name contradicts itself

i hope you know by now, cantonese and taiwanese always see themselves better than mainlanders...

obviously there are exceptions but thats the overall feel.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I don't know if any of you watched the population episode of Aftermath which looked at what would happen if the population of the world suddenly doubled overnight. When I saw that, I thought, oh noes! Canada's population would only be 60 million instead of 30million!

[Tegra_Devil]

I personally like having a small population, thats part of what makes Canada...CANADA!

I already have enough problems with the amount of FOBS driving on the streets, I couldnt handle 3 times more FOBS!...id start killing people with 3 times the rage.

and thats 3 times more poorly written english posts on revscene!
3 times more horrible craigslist ads
3 times more gang wars
3 times more people mooching off the system

[willystyle]

I don't know if any of you watched the population episode of Aftermath which looked at what would happen if the population of the world suddenly doubled overnight. When I saw that, I thought, oh noes! Canada's population would only be 60 million instead of 30million!
In that episode, they talked about if Earth had ZERO population, not if the population TRIPLED.

[Bouncing Bettys]

In that episode, they talked about if Earth had ZERO population, not if the population TRIPLED.
um no
http://www.history.ca/video/default.aspx?releasePID=dEAKNGzZjhHeEZC5XBSJJQdQPj CvbJAa&utm_source=history&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=aftermath

[StylinRed]

military.... god damnit ever since the Conservatives took over they've been turning Canada into this Military centric state... even all the extra attention (that we didn't really do in the past) into past Canadian endeavors is facetious if it wasn't so disconcerting (not the events mind you but the reason behind the extra attention is given)



you guys who failed need to take a war & society course or something which will explain to you how the country is leading more into that direction and how things have changed in the past in how we dealt with things (in terms of attention given to military events etc) :P

[Sid Vicious]

widespread immigration of a "certain" demographic in europe without integration/assimilation has lead to filmmakers being murdered, riots and writers having death threats issued against them.

[orange7]

I vote for not to increase the number of immigrants.

Those ppl won't even be loyal to this country. They won't even give a shit about this country. They will probably be the ones littering on the streets and increasing our taxes.

[sonick]

I am ready and willing to help the cause, PM me with pics.

Note: that is not me in my avatar. I am a dude.

[_Hotsauce_]

So we can deforest our country and take away what makes it so beautiful? No thanks.

[Harvey Specter]

All of us will be dead by the time the population in Canada reaches 100 milli.

[RacingMetro92]

Any country with that many people can be a power...at the cost of mass urbanization and other associated problems (overcrowding, lack of supplies etc.)

[Hehe]

I'm personally in favor of more population in Canada, but if it's expanded correctly.

With a good balance/diversity of new population, there are many many benefits. To begin with, city expands further, or better yet, small towns/cities get developed better.

Why do you think most people are concentrated in GVR/GTA/MTL? Because in terms of living standard and convenience, other Canadian cities really fell far behind.

I like what US is in terms of their urban development. You have a few major metro area in every states, and the opportunities expand tremendously. In US, you have several cities to pick from if you want a serious career. (SF, LA, NYC, Boston, D.C, Houston... too many to list)... in CA, if you leave the top 5 major cities, you can hardly make a living.

[hk20000]

instead of having more immigration we should just allow Poly-cultural-polygamy.

One man may have as many wives as he wants, but they must be of significantly different race.

Soon we will have 100million true CANADIENS who are all beige.

[PiuYi]

Note: that is not me in my avatar. I am a dude.

most disappointing line i've read all day :(

[fishing666]

it could be a plus or minus adding 60mil ppl to this country. someone's gotta think of something to talk about. the news article is trolling.wut a troll.

[Manic!]

instead of having more immigration we should just allow Poly-cultural-polygamy.

One man may have as many wives as he wants, but they must be of significantly different race.

Soon we will have 100million true CANADIENS who are all beige.

And we end up with a sausage fest because of the lack of females.


widespread immigration of a "certain" demographic in europe without integration/assimilation has lead to filmmakers being murdered, riots and writers having death threats issued against them.

and that has never happened in Canada???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vezghxdXLUI

I vote for not to increase the number of immigrants.

Those ppl won't even be loyal to this country. They won't even give a shit about this country. They will probably be the ones littering on the streets and increasing our taxes.

I call BS. Sikhs fought for Canada in WWI before they even had a right to vote.

[Manic!]

....

[iwantaskyline]

Country's like Canada need immigration for the economy to grow. If we stopped immigration the population here would actually shrink. Same problem Japan has except they don't allow immigration easily, once all the baby boomers die their population is actually going to shrink.

[akalic]

think about how much more dangerous the roads would be in richmond

[Sid Vicious]

And we end up with a sausage fest because of the lack of females.




and that has never happened in Canada???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vezghxdXLUI



I call BS. Sikhs fought for Canada in WWI before they even had a right to vote.

Date: 1841

If you even think that political agitation is even close to the problem of islamic extremism well then you have a problem

# February 12, 1989: Six people are killed and 100 injured when 10,000 attack the American Cultural Center in Islamabad, Pakistan protesting against Rushdie and his book.[114]
# February 13, 1989: One person is killed and over 100 injured in anti-Rushdie riots in Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir.[115][116]
# February 16, 1989: Various armed Islamist groups, such as Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp and Hezbollah of Lebanon, express their enthusiasm to "carry out the Imam's decree."[117] Rushdie enters the protection program of the British government.
# February 16, 2003: Iran's Revolutionary Guards reiterate the call for the assassination of Rushdie. As reported by the Sunday Herald, "Ayatollah Hassan Saneii, head of the semi-official Khordad Foundation that has placed a $2.8 million bounty on Rushdie's head, was quoted by the Jomhuri Islami newspaper as saying that his foundation would now pay $3 million to anyone who kills Rushdie."[129]

Theo Van Gogh worked with Somali-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali to produce the film Submission, which was critical of the treatment of women in Islam. On 2 November 2004 he was assassinated by Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim.

[Tegra_Devil]

we already have way too many problems with 'honour killings' in a small population...i dont think we need more

[Manic!]

Date: 1841

If you even think that political agitation is even close to the problem of islamic extremism well then you have a problem

# February 12, 1989: Six people are killed and 100 injured when 10,000 attack the American Cultural Center in Islamabad, Pakistan protesting against Rushdie and his book.[114]
# February 13, 1989: One person is killed and over 100 injured in anti-Rushdie riots in Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir.[115][116]
# February 16, 1989: Various armed Islamist groups, such as Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp and Hezbollah of Lebanon, express their enthusiasm to "carry out the Imam's decree."[117] Rushdie enters the protection program of the British government.
# February 16, 2003: Iran's Revolutionary Guards reiterate the call for the assassination of Rushdie. As reported by the Sunday Herald, "Ayatollah Hassan Saneii, head of the semi-official Khordad Foundation that has placed a $2.8 million bounty on Rushdie's head, was quoted by the Jomhuri Islami newspaper as saying that his foundation would now pay $3 million to anyone who kills Rushdie."[129]

Theo Van Gogh worked with Somali-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali to produce the film Submission, which was critical of the treatment of women in Islam. On 2 November 2004 he was assassinated by Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim.

You know there is a screening process that immigrants go threw. Notice all your examples are of Muslims? Just because some people act like idiots dose not mean we should close all doors.

Canada also has home grown terrorist like the person or people behind the encana pipeline bombings and eco terrorists who fire bomb building ans skipe tree's.

[Manic!]

we already have way too many problems with 'honour killings' in a small population...i dont think we need more

Canadians that are not immigrants do honor killings too but there just not called that by the media. A husband killing his wife would be called a honor killing if he was Muslim but not if was white.

[Tegra_Devil]

the difference between non immigrant canadian murders(yes i realize we are all truly immigrants) and immigrant religious extremists ...is we can stop the immigrant extremists from coming in.....where as, non-immigrants are unfortunately not as easy to get rid of.

Part 1 of fixing the problem, is immigrants
Part 2 is fixing our already existing canadian society

'Honour killings' of females on rise in Canada

As many as 5,000 women and girls lose their lives — most at the hands of family members — in "honour killings" around the world each year, according to the United Nations.

Up to a dozen have died for the same reason in Canada in the last decade, and it's happening more often, says Amin Muhammad, a psychiatrist who studies honour killings at Memorial University in Newfoundland.

"There are a number of organizations which don't accept the idea of honour killing; they say it's a Western-propagated myth by the media, but it's not true," he says. "Honour killing is there, and we should acknowledge it, and Canada should take it seriously."

Kingston, Ont., police are now investigating that as a motive in the deaths of three teenage sisters and an older female relative who were found in a car submerged in the Rideau Canal in Kingston on June 30. The girls' mother, father and brother were arrested on Wednesday and charged with first-degree murder.

"In our Canadian society, we value the cultural values of everyone that makes up this great country, and some of us have different core beliefs, different family values, different sets of rules," Kingston Police Chief Stephen Tanner said at a news conference on Thursday. "Certainly, these individuals — in particular, the three teenagers — were Canadian teenagers who have all the freedom and rights of expression of all Canadians."

He added that he'd received an e-mail from an extended family member of the girls, suggesting honour killing was to blame for their deaths.

Honour killings can be sparked by a woman talking to a man, having a boyfriend, wearing makeup or revealing clothing, or even seeking a divorce, says Diana Nammi, founder of the London-based International Campaign Against Honour Killings. Nammi, originally from Iran, says children of immigrants who grow up in western nations take those freedoms for granted, which can throw them into conflict with their parents' rigid standards.

"When people are moving to another country, they leave everything they have, all their possessions, behind. But what they can bring with them is what they believe, their culture, their traditions, their religion," she says. "Unfortunately, they are choosing to show the worst part of that, and the worst and criminal part of that is controlling women."

One of the earliest honour killings involving a Canadian occurred in 2000, when Maple Ridge, B.C., resident Jaswinder Sidhu was murdered in India in what police called a contract killing, after she married a man she met while travelling.

In 2003, Amandeep Atwal, 17, died after her father stabbed her 17 times. The Kitimat, B.C., teen had been secretly seeing a boyfriend.

Sixteen-year-old Aqsa Parvez's father and brother are currently awaiting trial for her strangulation death in 2007, and friends said the Brampton, Ont., teen had been clashing with her family over her refusal to wear the hijab.

In May, an Ottawa man was sentenced to life in prison for killing his sister, Khatera Sadiqi, 20, and her fiance.

"We cannot say there's a huge number of cases, but now the cases are increasing, and very soon we'll have a problem in Canada," says Muhammad.

Men occasionally die in honour killings, he says, but young women are almost always the victims in western countries.

Honour killing is most prevalent in nations with large Muslim populations, but Aysan Sev'er, a professor of sociology at University of Toronto Scarborough and author of an upcoming book on the subject, says there's nothing in Islam that sanctions the practice. Some perpetrators use religion as a "cloak," she says, but honour killing is about patriarchy, not religion.

"A few women are really sacrificed to terrorize all women, to push them into submission, where they are not in the position to defend themselves or even their daughters or sisters," Sev'er says.

It's wrong-headed to blame particular cultures or further stereotype the Middle East, she emphasizes, but Canada cannot overlook the motivation for these "heinous crimes."

"In Canada, we have been extremely culturally sensitive, and that's a good thing," she says. "But in this particular case, we may have pushed the pendulum a little to the other side, in the sense that there are cultural components in these types of crimes which we cannot ignore."

[Sgt_Koopa]

I already have enough problems with the amount of FOBS driving on the streets, I couldnt handle 3 times more FOBS!...id start killing people with 3 times the rage.


Speaking of FOBs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QESfEd180rQ

[Manic!]

t

Part 1 of fixing the problem, is immigrants


Why should 4 or 5 people ruin all the benefits of having immigrants come to Canada?

Why not ban skiing because a few people ski out of bounds and die every year.

[Tegra_Devil]

Why should 4 or 5 people ruin all the benefits of having immigrants come to Canada?

Why not ban skiing because a few people ski out of bounds and die every year.

a lot more than 4 or 5...

[Manic!]

a lot more than 4 or 5...

a month, a year, a decade?

"Up to a dozen have died for the same reason in Canada in the last decade"

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1821919

[optiblue]

LOL, it's funny because wages haven't been raising as fast as cost of living in Canada... all the newspapers are talking about how there are more seniors than young people nowadays!

[orange7]

well if we must have immigrants. Then we should only allow females to immigrate into Canada. There should also be a screening test to ensure they are no surprises.

[impactX]

The infrastructure can't support 100M people.

[orange7]

do we even have enough school for 100M ppl?

plus what about health care cost???

[Manic!]

do we even have enough school for 100M ppl?

plus what about health care cost???

Schools are not a finite resource, we can always build more it's not like we don't have the space.

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/ctydensityl.htm

Pop. Density
COUNTRY (per 1 Sq Km)

9 Canada 3
51 USA 30.71
161 UK 246.88
192 Monaco 16,205.00

[orange7]

Schools are not a finite resource, we can always build more it's not like we don't have the space.

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/ctydensityl.htm

Pop. Density
COUNTRY (per 1 Sq Km)

9 Canada 3
51 USA 30.71
161 UK 246.88
192 Monaco 16,205.00


data is kinda rigged..

you can't really expect ppl to live up in North Canada.
That space should be taken out of the calculation or be adjusted.

[Manic!]

data is kinda rigged..

you can't really expect ppl to live up in North Canada.
That space should be taken out of the calculation or be adjusted.

Then you might as well include mountains, lakes and other things. Canada is the the second largest country in the world with a population smaller than Tokyo Japan.

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm

34,997,269 Tokyo Japan
33,311,400 Canada

[goo3]

'Honour killings' of females on rise in Canada

As many as 5,000 women and girls lose their lives — most at the hands of family members — in "honour killings" around the world each year, according to the United Nations.


holy shit, immigrants are scary.

i'm gonna stop talking to them in real life - they're giving me the wrong impression!

[Tegra_Devil]

Speaking of FOBs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QESfEd180rQ

i feel really bad, but 1:38 makes me laugh a little

[iwantaskyline]

The infrastructure can't support 100M people.

Did you even read the article? He doesn't want 100 M immigrants to magically appear today. Obviously the current infrastructure isn't enough. If immigration increases gradually over the years the infrastructure will also improve. Common sense.