[Harvey Specter]

True or not?

Asian men in Canada often fret that the laws of supply and demand are working against them when it comes to hooking up with the right woman.

Many of Metro Vancouver's 400,000 Asian men, more than half of whom are ethnic Chinese, express two major complaints about the North American dating scene.

One: They are convinced that Asian women would rather go out with white men.

Two: They worry that white men prefer Asian women.

Are men with Asian ethnic origins justified in feeling anxious these racial preferences are actually operating in North American dating?

Ronald Lee, founder of a relationship service for Asian men in Metro Vancouver, believes Chinese, Japanese, Korean and other men with East Asian roots who make these complaints are looking for excuses to avoid facing their social awkwardness.

"I think men who say those things are bitter," says Lee, 33, who on Wednesday night organized the founding meeting of the Asian Men's Social Empowerment group, designed to help Asian men support each other in building relationships with women.

A two-year study out of Columbia University in New York City confirms Lee's perception that Asian men who worry the dating deck is stacked against them are buying in to false stereotypes.

In his research, Columbia University economist Ray Fisman did not find any evidence that white men prefer to date East Asian women.

And even though Fisman discovered a significantly high pairing of East Asian women with white men in the U.S., he concluded it was the case only because East Asian women "discriminated" racially against black and Hispanic men, and felt "neutral" toward white men.

Convinced that the family pressure on young Asian men to achieve financial success creates their relationship difficulties, Lee has made a career out of working with hundreds of East Asian men, and to a lesser extent Caucasians, to overcome their chronic social ineptitude.

"A lot of Asian men grow up in extremely restrictive and over-critical households, where they are told they cannot date women until they finish university or get a job," Lee said in an interview.

"Their parents push them to have a steady income before they seek out a woman, and it really screws them up. When the time finally comes, they don't have the social skills and self-confidence for dating."

Many East Asian men lack a firm identity and are "emotionally stunted," said Lee, a Simon Fraser University graduate who was born in east Vancouver after his parents moved to Canada from Hong Kong in the 1970s.

Many Asian men veer back and forth between relational extremes, Lee said. On one hand, many shyly fear they're seen as "geeks." On the other, they jump in to the dating scene with "false bravado" and unrealistic fantasies.

Many Asian men have unhelpful expectations of meeting either "mother figures" or "beauties," Lee said. They run up against Asian and other women looking for "someone to take care of them." Things often don't click.

In Metro Vancouver, which has the highest rate of mixed-race relationships in Canada (nine per cent), Lee said he has been in three serious partnerships -- two with Chinese women and one with a Caucasian.

Generally, Lee joins many others in maintaining that Metro Vancouver, compared with other major cities in North America and Europe, "is the hardest place to get a date for anyone."

Many Metro men and women are so individualistic and "into doing their own thing" that they haven't learned the art of flirting and connecting with potential partners.

In other words, the advice that Lee offers his predominantly East Asian male clients and friends for improving their relationship skills could apply to people of any ethnicity or gender in dating-challenged Metro.

Tip one: Truly listen to and appreciate the person you are meeting.

Tip two: Understand and convey what's special about you.

Tip three: Trust it when you feel the "chemistry."

http://communities.canada.com/VANCOUVERSUN/blogs/thesearch/archive/2010/06/18/vancouver-s-asian-men-fear-women-prefer-white-guys.aspx

[1exotic]

lol

[StylinRed]

the ancient chinese secret ? :)

[Greenstoner]

true

[red_2]

Whats with all these threads regarding Asians?? lol

[aliuu]

Well.. in Vancouver its not the ethnicity the women care about its the wallet.

[Harvey Specter]

Whats with all these threads regarding Asians?? lol


More like articles about Asians.

[PiuYi]

this sounds like one of those social-jokes-turned-into-a-study type things....
its like someone watched WongFu Production's "Yellow Fever" and took it seriously

[sleazyho]

Its coz everyones going through the Twanger thread

[KingDeeCee]

Huh...these guys all prob just immigrated here and saw a bunch of interracial couples. Prob saw a sigh saying "free survey" and went to it.
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[scottsman]

Speaking from a white boy point of view, a lot of asian guys I know always tell me that white guys date "ugly" or unattractive Asian girls. You can see a difference in what a Mainland or CBC or white guys all like and date. I think most white boys are just happy to date any Asian girl and are truly blinded by the Asian Fever.

From my group of friends, most CBC or Asians born in Canada don't seem to phased by the whites dating Asians because they are either dating white girls or again think that whites pick the "ugly" Asians to date so they don't care if they are taken.

[FerrariEnzo]

who the fuck cares....

if the asian guys dnt like it.. tell them to date white girls! :D:p

besides, girls with different backgrounds are HOT!!!! at least most of them are haha

[Domani]

lol the google ad on this page is "asian dating mall.com"

[SkinnyPupp]

who the fuck cares....

/thread

[LG Hunter]

dumb

[Qmx323]

sigh

[Graeme S]

Someone took Joe seriously.

[J____]

lol weak. If you complain white guys are taking the asian girls, then dont date the fuking asian girls. Date white girls. simple as that.

[miss_crayon]

I still prefer asians vs white guys. Nothing wrong with the white boys or anything but it's all about preference. And vice versa.
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[Senna4ever]

A two-year study out of Columbia University in New York City confirms Lee's perception that Asian men who worry the dating deck is stacked against them are buying in to false stereotypes.
What a stupid article. I wonder how much money was spent on this 'study'? Has a cure for cancer been found?




As long as she is nubile and has a pulse, I'm ok (for the most part) with anyone. :D

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

no

[yellowpower]

I still prefer asians vs white guys. Nothing wrong with the white boys or anything but it's all about preference. And vice versa.
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Is that actually you in the avatar?

[LiquidTurbo]

who the fuck cares....


Obviously the self-concious asian guys!:D

[OffSea]

What the fuck am i reading.jpg

[TOPEC]

i thought this would be another post by baoxu

[LiquidTurbo]

What the fuck am i reading.jpg

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/053/600/original/1274448519966.png?1276094963

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/053/643/original/navi.jpg?1276112142

[Kim Jong Un]

That's exactly what I thought of before clicking the thread.

[twitchyzero]

who else is too short to date white girls?
lol

[flagella]

wow... do morons get paid to write this kind of articles?

[Graeme S]

wow... do morons get paid to write this kind of articles?
Probably the same kinds of morons who get medical research grants to measure penis size.

[skyxx]

^ HAHAHA

[jpark]

this is retarded

[shenmecar]

if those self conscious Asian men fear that asian women here prefer white men, go back to china, marry an asian woman, and bring her here to canada. Free citizenship for her. There are so many woman in china that would love you to death if you do.

[cowcowcafe]

false
its the other way around,

[ToneCapone]

I still prefer asians vs white guys. Nothing wrong with the white boys or anything but it's all about preference. And vice versa.
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:cool: sounds like a challenge. Seriously though, I agree.... everyone has their preference but I do my best not to focus on only one race. I went out with a lot of diff style girls and they were all unique and great in their own ways.

[tonyvu]

It's all personal preference imo

[jimzilla]

I just want to fuck every girl in the world (8)

[tegz]

THIS JUST IN!!!

White guys fear white women prefer black guys!

[Qmx323]

all the ladies prefer black guys

you know... because they have nice big lips

[TomBox_N]

But it IS true that Asian families pressure their children into spending all their youth in stduying rather than banging chicks. I'm a victim of this traditions. :(
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[busdriverman]

i do agree with some of the traditions that the article brings up. these traditions can have a negative impact on the social skills of the asian male and i have seen such effects in real life.

many of you have responded to this article by suggesting that the shy asian guy should just go for a white or non asian girl, but I am thinking....if the dude does not even have the testicular fortitude to ask out an asian girl, what makes you think that he has the balls to ask out a white girl?

[Tapioca]

The article is simplistic, but it's not exactly a load of crap.

I have had Chinese women my age tell me straight up that they will never date a Chinese guy.

Take a look around - how many mixed couples do you see feature a white guy and Asian girl? Compare that with the number of Asian guy and white girl couples.

I've dated my fair share of white women too, but it ain't exactly shooting fish in a barrel.

[white ghost]

many of you have responded to this article by suggesting that the shy asian guy should just go for a white or non asian girl, but I am thinking....if the dude does not even have the testicular fortitude to ask out an asian girl, what makes you think that he has the balls to ask out a white girl?

Agreed, and this is why people need to stop focusing on race and focus on the individual.

Make yourself an great person and no matter what color you are, you will be attractive to any woman from any race.

[The7even]

I still prefer asians vs white guys. Nothing wrong with the white boys or anything but it's all about preference. And vice versa.
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Why you!?

[Ronin]

I could care less...since I prefer white women.

[SkinnyPupp]

I still prefer asians vs white guys. Nothing wrong with the white boys or anything but it's all about preference. And vice versa.
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Based on your recent twitter posts, you may want to reevaluate that policy ;)

[J____]

who else is too short to date white girls?
lol

lol my fiance is taller than me when she wears heals and im 5'10". i dont give a fuk haha.

[miss_crayon]

Based on your recent twitter posts, you may want to reevaluate that policy ;)

Not sure which tweet you're referring to but again, nothing against the white boys. In fact I think a lot of them are hot..but at the end of the day I still prefer asians.
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[miss_crayon]

Not sure which tweet you're referring to but again, nothing against the white boys. In fact I think a lot of them are hot (and have dated a few before)..but at the end of the day I still prefer asians.
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[SkinnyPupp]

Not sure which tweet you're referring to but again, nothing against the white boys. In fact I think a lot of them are hot..but at the end of the day I still prefer asians.
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I dunno I saw you talking about an ex or something who was dating an "LG" but trying to get back with you or something, cheating on his "LG"

Maybe it's stereotyping a bit too much, but I've never known any white people who'd go for underage/younger girls...

But it's probably not within the scope of this discussion so I probably shouldn't have brought it up at all.. I was just reading this post when your tweet came up ;)

[.Dream.Time]

I dunno I saw you talking about an ex or something who was dating an "LG" but trying to get back with you or something, cheating on his "LG"

Maybe it's stereotyping a bit too much, but I've never known any white people who'd go for underage/younger girls...

But it's probably not within the scope of this discussion so I probably shouldn't have brought it up at all.. I was just reading this post when your tweet came up ;)

are you serious? go on thedirty and you can find about 500000 white boys who date underage lgs LOL when I went to high school there were 22-23 year old white trucker boys and skater boys visiting their gfs all the time

[Greenstoner]

^ lol.. that is so true..

white LG just looks more mature but they are still underage regardless

[SkinnyPupp]

are you serious? go on thedirty and you can find about 500000 white boys who date underage lgs LOL when I went to high school there were 22-23 year old white trucker boys and skater boys visiting their gfs all the time
LOL those people don't count as "people"

[Meowjin]

I use to have yellow fever until I started working in a nightclub. Now I hate asian girls.

[2 n r]

I use to have yellow fever until I started working in a nightclub. Now I hate asian girls.

lol got any stories?

[Meowjin]

lol got any stories?

nothing really. just saw too many "questionable" guys surrounded by 5 asian women that all look the same with designer purses. Kinda drove me crazy. Don't get me wrong, I have lots of asian friends and have dated a few asian girls.

[miss_crayon]

I dunno I saw you talking about an ex or something who was dating an "LG" but trying to get back with you or something, cheating on his "LG"

Maybe it's stereotyping a bit too much, but I've never known any white people who'd go for underage/younger girls...

But it's probably not within the scope of this discussion so I probably shouldn't have brought it up at all.. I was just reading this post when your tweet came up ;)

Haahahha, actually he has asian fever so the topic is kinda on topic. But yes, we can discuss another time.
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[VK79]

Did they only pick those who are poor and jobless for that research? All the asian guys I know of have no problems getting asian chicks to go out with them. Granted they are the typical powered by mommy BMW/Benz type but these days, 90% of Asians in Richmond alone are like that.

[m4k4v4li]

LGs like older guys, and a lot of older guys r down with LGs... i went to school in westside van and a lot of the white girls i know dated older guys so don't know what you're trying to convey with that skinnypup

i don't know why theres always a sour taste in your mouth when it comes to asians, but maybe you should go jump off a bridge

[SkinnyPupp]

When did I ever say bad things about Asians? And why would I, considering I am married to one, and I live in Asia...

:facepalm:

I was just going by my own experience... Lots of asian dudes I know go for young girls.. like adults dating high schoolers. Is that specific to one race? Of course not. Is it more common with one race? Maybe, maybe not. But can I share my own personal perspective on this here public forum? Yup, and so can everyone else. Just like the post that you "thanked" made a mass generalization that 90% of asian guys in Richmond are "the typical powered by mommy BMW/Benz type"

It looks like my personal experience differs from yours. So I guess that means I should contemplate suicide? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

yeah, if the white guy has a nice wallet.

"Chinese vampires don't suck blood, they suck money."

[m4k4v4li]

ur the biggest troll on rs

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh wait, you're the guy I owned in some random thread, then started trying to troll me every time I post ever since...

/fail

/ignore

[FerrariEnzo]

whats LGs?

[SkinnyPupp]

It's a politically correct way of saying "jailbait"

[taylor192]

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-china-bachelor-20100621,0,6167359.story

I've read about this problem with Indian and middle eastern societies too.

[tacobell]

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-china-bachelor-20100621,0,6167359.story

I've read about this problem with Indian and middle eastern societies too.

I stopped reading after the line "And he always volunteered to carry his girlfriend's handbag"

This guy needs an ass beating!!!

[drunkrussian]

I use to have yellow fever until I started working in a nightclub. Now I hate asian girls.

this made me lol

[the_law82]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC_ycDO66bw

Truth.

[!Nhan]

i blame gms for taking all our korean women. that jerk i hate you :(

and not all asian families have parents who "force" them to finish university or get a job before they start dating. at least not with my parents and my group of friends. not all of our parents were born here, and most of them didn't come here from asian till they were in their mid 20's-mid 30's. it all depends on how your parents view things and if they rather you be happy with your life or live the life that they want you to have

[Graeme S]

i blame gms for taking all our korean women. that jerk i hate you :(

Can't take something that doesn't belong to you in the first place!

[!Nhan]

Can't take something that doesn't belong to you in the first place!

that's so true i'm not even that interested in korean women anyways :p

[Sid Vicious]

man if i looked like that guy in the article id have trouble getting any type of women

[Durrann]

well the article brings up some good points
i know a lot of asian guys who are socially deprived
probably because they study too much or play too much video games

and a lot of asian guys have trouble getting with women so they just find any lame ass excuse. including what the article is speaking of.

[7seven]

You'd be surprised at how many white girls in Vancouver actually find asian guys attractive. I'm asian and I would probably say that about 90% of the ladies I've dated are white. Just don't be like the majority of asian males in Vancouver, ie..skinny, pale, plays video games all day, no fashion sense & pushover for females. Take care of yourself, stay in shape and most importantly have some self confidence and you won't have to complain about having problems with asian, caucasian, spanish or any other females.

[Ducdesmo]

^ ya I agree with this to some extent. You can still be skinny, play video games and get white girls. Have a good fashion sense, confident and humurous personality and you are good to go.
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[TomBox_N]

Being humourous is something that u need to be born with.
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[hotjoint]

I like white girls

[Tapioca]

Here's a follow-up blog by Douglas Todd featuring an interview with a 22 year-old CBC woman:


By DOUGLAS TODD 23 JUN 2010

Do Asian women lean to white fellows? It's a question that constantly buzzes among Metro Vancouver's Asian community, says my Vancouver Sun colleague, reporter Vivian Luk.

Raised in East Vancouver, Luk says her large circle of Chinese friends often has a lively time discussing inter-racial dating preferences.

So far Luk has made her choice -- white boyfriend.

Luk, 22, a student in UBC's School of Journalism, says she generally confirms the views expressed by relationship specialist Ronald Lee in my column of last Friday. Lee said a lot of Canadian-Asian guys end up being awkward around women because they're taught by parents to focus obsessively on their educations and careers.

Even though many of her female friends have made different relationships choices, Luk likes men of the white persuasion because they tend to be more "outgoing, talkative and adventurous" than Asian-Canadian men she knows.

White males "are not afraid to try new things and to laugh at themselves. They're more outdoorsy. They're not staring at a computer all day," said Luk, after returning to The Sun's downtown office from researching a story on how Vancouver's ethnic Greek community responded to their team's World Cup soccer loss to Argentina.

Luk and many of her ethnic Chinese friends attended predominantly Asian David Thompson Secondary school, where they "assimilated" to Canadian culture while becoming fluent in both English and Cantonese. I appreciate her comments because, to me, dating and marriage choices are a crucial test of the success of Canadian multiculturalism. They suggest just how far people of different ethnicities are ready to move out of their cultural comfort zones to get to really know the so-called "Other."

Luk said one of the other reasons she prefers Caucasian males is she finds they're more likely to know how to fix a car, work with a hammer and take care of practical things.
In contrast, a lot of her Asian male friends are bookworms, she says. "They're really introverted. School comes first. They do really well in sciences and computers. They are really shy and awkward."

Although Luk didn't have a definitive answer on whether young Chinese women prefer to date white guys, she said the trendlines do seem clear for females of at least one other Asian ethnicity. "The word on the street," she said, "is that Japanese women definitely like to date white guys."

[SkinnyPupp]

Did anyone else immediately look for Vivian Luk on facebook? Seems like a fun-loving girl :D

[TomBox_N]

Cmon. I know how to fix a car & other practical shit as well as focus on my study while venturing into the world of cyberspace. But I haven't talked to a white girl in over 10 years.
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[Tapioca]

Did anyone else immediately look for Vivian Luk on facebook? Seems like a fun-loving girl :D

It seems to be a fairly open profile:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/profile.php?id=21009461

I wonder if she's going to get hate mail via Facebook now?

[Tegra_Devil]

Meh...i leave the asian girls to you guys...

ill keep my white girls

so here is one less white guy to take away your precious asian ladies

ps- i have asian friends whom are girls...but i prefer to date white women.

[butter_sashimi]

I prefer my Asian bookworm guy to pay for a mechanic to fix the car or other so called practical things than to do it himself so he has time to do other stuff. Heh.
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[m4k4v4li]

its a pretty blanket stereotype

girls are attracted to confidence, and a lot of asian males don't exude confidence

[Jackwimmer]

lol that girl in that facebook link looks like a dude
theres a lot more asian guys with white girls these days man! have u guys gone to the mall haha
to add, i also noticed that white guys who date asian girls often seem to have difficulties getting white women...go figure

[raygunpk]

lol that girl in that facebook link looks like a dude
theres a lot more asian guys with white girls these days man! have u guys gone to the mall haha
to add, i also noticed that white guys who date asian girls often seem to have difficulties getting white women...go figure

i hope i am born again in the future generations where there will be hot mixed girls everywhereeeee

and guys

[guddagudd]

I think it's just the newer generation where many different races mix, and I think that's great because there will be a less emphasis on race in the future. Everybody will be equal because they're all mixed. I am not sure how long that will take but a man can dream...

Plus mixed girls are just sooo much hotter :P

[q0192837465]

Just wondering, do ppl still emphasize on race in the corporate ladder? Mid level managements r pretty well mixed but senior managements are still mostly white ppl.

[97ITR]

The white man can keep this Vivian Luk....

[q0192837465]

ahha, i like how everyone is ripping on Vivian cuz she said she prefer white boyz. If she said she like asians most ppl here will give her the thumbs up.

Butt hurt much?

[dachinesedude]

what's the fear about? i still see 90% of couples being the same kind, its not like they'll take every freakin asian woman there is

its about the individual, not the ethnicity

[MoBettah]

Money is a huge equalizer... for any race.

[Graeme S]

Money is a huge equalizer... for any race.
No amount of money will make up for you being fat, asocial, and unable to interact with people.


Not unless you mind paying alimony, anyways.

[MoBettah]

No amount of money will make up for you being fat, asocial, and unable to interact with people.


Not unless you mind paying alimony, anyways.

GREAT POINT! I can totally see how you derived fat, asocial and unable to interact with people based off of my my comment about money. Cause every guy whose rich is fat, asocial and unable to interact with people. Especially if they are Hispanic! You see what i did there?



Also, I'm not condoning it by any means, but in reality money really DOES make up for all those things for a significant amount of women around the world... including many in Vancouver.