[kwijybow]

Just curious if there are any V8 owners on this forum? I've seen alot of talk about 4 cyls, any V8 love?

[XtC-604]

i have a V8 in my Euro. What about it? XD

[Qmx323]

Most cars on this site are 6 cylinder and under

[TOS'd]

My vehicle has 12 cupholders.
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[fliptuner]

'90 K5 Blazer (350) and '66 Skylark (455)

I've had many GM V8's in the past.

[Redlines_Daily]

Whats a cylinder? :p

[E-40six]

I own 2 V8's

one is a 6.6L Turbo and the other is a 7.3L Turbo :D

[OTG-ZR2]

im a 3/4 350 :p

[DsZ24]

I've got a v8, it's in a truck tho :P

[kwijybow]

Just wanna make sure, I showed at a meet and didnt see any v8 muscle, I was like wtf?

[Jgresch]

Just wanna make sure, I showed at a meet and didnt see any v8 muscle, I was like wtf?

there weren't any v8 muscle cars at an import car forum meet????? wtfff

[The_AK]

there weren't any v8 muscle cars at an import car forum meet????? wtfff

lol, no there was one other guy,
he was in a black mustang, did a killer burnout in first gear... :rolleyes:

[some_punk]

must have walked right by my trans am at the meet

[Jgresch]

sry bro ^

[jpark]

Just wanna make sure, I showed at a meet and didnt see any v8 muscle, I was like wtf?

there was bunch of new gen camaro crew and a vette, stang at the spring meet.. idn how you wtf'd

[Rich Sandor]

I have 2 4cyl's.. together they make a V8.. lolz

[JV6]

i got a V8 Suv, time for V8 meet and shoot

[keifun]

I luv V8, they're so healthy too.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/theskinny/blog/vfusion.jpg

:D

[skylinergtr]

got a small little 3.0L V8 in the Bimmer

[Jayboogz]

I got a v8 in my 02 chevy silverado
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[XtC-604]

i only got a small 4.3L v8 in my CLK

[toyota86]

740i 540i

[ajax]

there weren't any v8 muscle cars at an import car forum meet????? wtfff

Though predominately import, I think RS is an all around car forum.

[ShyGuy]

I've got a 5.4L supercharged V8.
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[Vale46Rossi]

I have 2 4cyl's.. together they make a V8.. lolz

Thats a W8 noob.

[insomniac]

i got 8 cup holders in my fit LOL :(

[ShyGuy]

Thats a W8 noob.

You're the noob...2 inline 4's would make a V...I don't think there are any V4's out there.

[optiblue]

V8 is baller!

[!Aznboi128]

my family had a vw passat w8 before.....

[BrRsn]

I has a 4.7L V8 running a 94 octane tune, cammed + intake/exhaust.

I heart 15 MPG!

[Z3guy]

I have a lightly modded 550i....gotta love V8 torque....now I wish a had a lsd......

[Volvo-brickster]

ive got a 4.6
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[mtnrat]

I have a 1992 Lexus SC400 V8. Just swapped in a 5spd last weekend. Supercharging it next.

[CP.AR]

My vehicle has 12 cupholders.
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dammit my car only has 4

[Z3guy]

I have a 1992 Lexus SC400 V8. Just swapped in a 5spd last weekend. Supercharging it next.

nice mod.....must of transformed your SC.....5sp + V8 = fun!

[jpark]

I have a 1992 Lexus SC400 V8. Just swapped in a 5spd last weekend. Supercharging it next.

wow nice! :thumbsup:

[!Aznboi128]

dammit my car only has 4
mine also has 4..... LOL

[Leopold Stotch]

Thats a W8 noob.

spoke tooo soon junior

[dinamix]

http://theolanders.net/Fantasy%20Football/SeeWeed/graphics/Mullet%20Militia%20Recruting.JPG

[CP.AR]

mine also has 4..... LOL

why the hell would you need 8 anyways? 5 I understand, but 8?????

[2damaxmr2]

I have a 89 5.0 Foxbody and i had a 99 F150 a while back.

[asahai69]

V8's and only V8's

[Solo_D33A]

4.0 V8 Lexus GS400
5.6 V8 Nissan Titan
??? V8 Ford E250

I think we used to have a V8 F350 also...

[SpuGen]

Had a 4.0L V8 in my SC400.
Not anymore.
I want another :( I miss passing little 4 cylinder Hondas going up Boundary at 2000RPM, @15% Throttle.

[Eastwood]

Most of my vehicles have been V6's and I've had one V8 (350). I'll probably never get another unless its strictly for a weekend driver.

Although fun they're a hassle at the pump, which was usually daily for me at the time.

[.Renn.Sport]

Got 6 V8 at home :D
Porsche 4.5L V8
Porsche 4.8L Direct Injected V8
Audi 4.2 V8
Mercedes Benz 5.0 V8 x2
BMW 4.8L V8

[TOS'd]

Got 6 V8 at home :D
Porsche 4.5L V8
Porsche 4.8L Direct Injected V8
Audi 4.2 V8
Mercedes Benz 5.0 V8 x2
BMW 4.8L V8

I'm sure you do.

http://ozbo.com/images/P/00067CL-04.JPG

[Jgresch]

I learned to drive on an sc430 with a v8 :0 and then when I got my licence, dropped 2 cylinders to an explorer :(

[!SG]

gs430 v8 here

[SpuGen]

It seems like most of the V8 Owners that are gonna roll call here, are going to be Lexus owners, and Truck owners.

[LG Hunter]

Got 6 V8 at home :D
Porsche 4.5L V8
Porsche 4.8L Direct Injected V8
Audi 4.2 V8
Mercedes Benz 5.0 V8 x2
BMW 4.8L V8

Biggest faggot ever.

[insomniac]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l53w5uzQVT1qbycgco1_500.jpg
i miss the Q :crybaby:
the only thing i dont miss about it is how it chugs gas

[bloodmack]

I have 2 4cyl's.. together they make a V8.. lolz

Unless they are "V-4's" which I doubt, it would actually be a inline 8. :P

I got a non-working/working V8 a 69' Camaro I belive the 350 is in it. And a F-350 Diesel V8

[!SG]

It seems like most of the V8 Owners that are gonna roll call here, are going to be Lexus owners, and Truck owners.

not that many v8s.

with technology where it is, they are squeezing all the potential out of the v6s first.

but the low rev torque is addicting.

[shenmecar]

Unless they are "V-4's" which I doubt, it would actually be a inline 8. :P

I got a non-working/working V8 a 69' Camaro I belive the 350 is in it. And a F-350 Diesel V8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V4_engine

there is such a thing. lancia used them in their cars many moons ago.

[Rich Sandor]

actually, the 4 cylinders in my 944turbo and 968 are literally 1/2 of the 928's V8 engine.

944 2.5L 4CYL
http://www.rints.com/hammond/images/enginedone.jpg

X 2 = 928 5.0L V8
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/engine11242396874.jpg

[bloodmack]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V4_engine

there is such a thing. lancia used them in their cars many moons ago.

I didnt say they didnt exist its just a rare thing these days..

the 944 engine may be half a V8 but certainly doesnt look like a V shape :P.

[Z3guy]

^ that really is half a 928 V8.....literally! not just the internal designs.....

[Rich Sandor]

I didnt say they didnt exist its just a rare thing these days..

the 944 engine may be half a V8 but certainly doesnt look like a V shape :P.

You're thinking cut in half from the top view, from side to side.

I was talking about cutting in half right down the middle of the crank from front to back.

[Shafto]

Had a 4.0L V8 in my SC400.
Not anymore.
I want another :( I miss passing little 4 cylinder Hondas going up Boundary at 2000RPM, @15% Throttle.

lol, gave me a good laugh. That is whare all the action happens. And my LS definitally was not a happy camper going up that hill every day.

[1990TSI]

Titan 5.6

[1exotic]

V8 for European and Japanese cars is okay... because the engines actually make decent or good power for the V8.

but V8 for American cars is the biggest joke. Big ass 10.0L engines that have the same power output of a 4 cylinder...

[Phil@rise]

V8 for European and Japanese cars is okay... because the engines actually make decent or good power for the V8.

but V8 for American cars is the biggest joke. Big ass 10.0L engines that have the same power output of a 4 cylinder...

Guess you never experienced "Real" torque. You know the kind that starts from idle not boost.:D
I own two V8 trucks and two 4cyl cars.
One is a 5.9 Dodge Dakota the other is a 5.7 International Scout
the four bangers are a 1 liter Nissan Pao and a 73 Celica with a MR2 supercharged 1.6.

[skylinergtr]

little 3.0L V8 :)

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b173/skylinergtr/back4.jpg

[asahai69]

V8 for European and Japanese cars is okay... because the engines actually make decent or good power for the V8.

but V8 for American cars is the biggest joke. Big ass 10.0L engines that have the same power output of a 4 cylinder...

you are probably more used to taking pictures of cars with bigger engines than actually driving them.

[Volvo-brickster]

but V8 for American cars is the biggest joke. Big ass 10.0L engines that have the same power output of a 4 cylinder...
Got an example of said 10 liter v8 and 4 cylinder? Enlighten us please
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[Phat_R]

i have a v8 that revs to 8400 -- just like my Type R

[SpartanAir]

I've got a 4.5L V8 in my President. Nice to have the torque, it does haul ass pretty good. For sale too :)

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb10/SpartanAir/IMG_0802Medium.jpg

[Draco]

Used to roll with the v8 crew... but decided to tack on a couple extra cylinders for good measure. I do miss the v8 rumble though!

[Redlines_Daily]

that president is sick! nice car

[Leopold Stotch]

I has a 4.7L V8 running a 94 octane tune, cammed + intake/exhaust.

I heart 15 MPG!

dont' complain, i get 16 mpg.

V8 for European and Japanese cars is okay... because the engines actually make decent or good power for the V8.

but V8 for American cars is the biggest joke. Big ass 10.0L engines that have the same power output of a 4 cylinder...

funny, the new Mustang GT makse more power than the Lexus ISF, same displacement, and being a ford it "probably" uses 87 octane.

[skyxx]

^ You're talking about the Coyote engine right?. Running on premium fuel will give you 412hp and running on regular will give you 402 hp. :)

[kwijybow]

Nice to see the V8's are well represented. I love pulling up next to stock or lightly modded 4 cyl cars and laughing as they rev their engines as if they have a chance of beating me off the line. I've never needed more than half throttle to beat them, haha.

[Z3guy]

^ You're talking about the Coyote engine right?. Running on premium fuel will give you 412hp and running on regular will give you 402 hp. :)

The new Coyote 5.0 will probably win engine of the yr.....good power, you can use 87 octane fuel....and revs pass 7000rpms.....also from my understanding Ford did not use exotic parts to get the power either...so it will be relatively frugal to operate.....

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Got 6 V8 at home :D
Porsche 4.5L V8
Porsche 4.8L Direct Injected V8
Audi 4.2 V8
Mercedes Benz 5.0 V8 x2
BMW 4.8L V8

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[!LittleDragon]

Soon to be owner of a 6.0L V8 in a 2005 Pontiac GTO. First car was a 5.0 Foxbody and after 10 years of driving a 2.0L turbo, I really miss the torque.

[Z3guy]

^ that will be a fun car to drive.....4 seater Corvette!

[originalhypa]

Soon to be owner of a 6.0L V8 in a 2005 Pontiac GTO. First car was a 5.0 Foxbody and after 10 years of driving a 2.0L turbo, I really miss the torque.

that's a really cool car.
My buddy bought a G8, and I was shocked as to how fast and fun it is. Makes me want an LS motor in my 67'.
:D

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Got 6 V8 at home :D
Porsche 4.5L V8
Porsche 4.8L Direct Injected V8
Audi 4.2 V8
Mercedes Benz 5.0 V8 x2
BMW 4.8L V8

i seriously wonna falcon punch u unless u can prove to me

bitch

[!LittleDragon]

that's a really cool car.
My buddy bought a G8, and I was shocked as to how fast and fun it is. Makes me want an LS motor in my 67'.
:D

Yeah, I'm getting about 15mpg out of my MR2T right now so I figure, I may as well get 400hp out of that 15mpg. Driving styles have changed, when I bought the MR2 10 years ago, I was able to drive it in a more relaxed manner and I could stretch the tank to 550kms before I needed a fill up. Now with everyone tail gating, pedal to the metal, I'd be lucky to get 300kms out of a tank.

[Great68]

Nice to see the V8's are well represented. I love pulling up next to stock or lightly modded 4 cyl cars and laughing as they rev their engines as if they have a chance of beating me off the line. I've never needed more than half throttle to beat them, haha.

Sorry dude, I don't mean to rain on your parade but 305 Z-28's are slow as shit.

[bloodmack]

V8 for European and Japanese cars is okay... because the engines actually make decent or good power for the V8.

but V8 for American cars is the biggest joke. Big ass 10.0L engines that have the same power output of a 4 cylinder...

What?.. Can you show me what current I4 N/A beats a current N/A V8?

As for V8's I don't think you know what your talking about.. american V8's are great. espeically the classics. Big Block 7L 454 pushing out 490 ft/lbs torque and 409 hp. Also with a quick wiki search there is a 9.4L V8 pushing out 720 hp 685 lb·ft. Show me a non supercar V8 that pushes out that much power without aftermarket upgrades.

[asahai69]

Sorry dude, I don't mean to rain on your parade but 305 Z-28's are slow as shit.

still faster than a civic :D

[JV6]

Nice to see the V8's are well represented. I love pulling up next to stock or lightly modded 4 cyl cars and laughing as they rev their engines as if they have a chance of beating me off the line. I've never needed more than half throttle to beat them, haha.

american cars especially cameros back in the 80s 90s are fukin under power for a V8 coming out fresh from factory. my suv would put those car to shame stock vs stock sadly.

[bloodmack]

american cars especially cameros back in the 80s 90s are fukin under power for a V8 coming out fresh from factory. my suv would put any of those car to shame stock vs stock sadly.

I don't think you realize how much engine tech has changed since then..

[JV6]

I don't think you realize how much engine tech has changed since then..

no shit about technologies, guy getting king shit with his camero if you don't realize that also?

[bloodmack]

no shit about technologies, guy getting king shit with his camero if you don't realize that also?

first of all you dumb PoS, its camaro. 2nd your 08' bimmer x5 SUV has shit all on current american muscle. Ironic though because your probably more "king shit" on the road, with your BMW, then camaro owners are.

[Great68]

still faster than a civic :D

Uhh, depends on the Civic.

[1exotic]

I'm not literally saying 4 cylinder have better performance than a V8, in no way that's true but it's just making my point that American cars in general use bigger engines to make the same amount of power compared to an engine with less cylinders or just generally smaller.

everyone has their own opinion... and with performance and engines aside, American cars straight fuckin ugly

[unit]

^same amount of power eh?
give an example where a 4 banger makes as much torque as a v8.

[asahai69]

Uhh, depends on the Civic.

He said stock or slightly modded. Slightly modded usualy means intake exhaust and some stickers
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[1exotic]

^same amount of power eh?
give an example where a 4 banger makes as much torque as a v8.

I said not specifically "4 bangers"

becuase most 4 cylinders are POS also (depending on the car).



V6 is where it's at.

I'm done /

[Great68]

He said stock or slightly modded. Slightly modded usualy means intake exhaust and some stickers
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That's not what I meant. By type I meant MODEL.

A newer SI or SIR will tear his Z28 a new one.

[Mrtemp]

Have a V8 in my Datsun :)

[JV6]

first of all you dumb PoS, its camaro. 2nd your 08' bimmer x5 SUV has shit all on current american muscle. Ironic though because your probably more "king shit" on the road, with your BMW, then camaro owners are.

lol look whose mad and as for pos, what about that lancer oz you got in your profile? how would u feel if the op with V8 pulled up to you and laugh in your fukin face kid as he did mention above and enjoy doing so to 4bangers? as for king of the road, i bought that car for my wife to use for daily drive/work/grocery.

[asahai69]

That's not what I meant. By type I meant MODEL.

A newer SI or SIR will tear his Z28 a new one.

That is true
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[bloodmack]

lol look whose mad and as for pos, what about that lancer oz you got in your profile? how would u feel if the op with V8 pulled up to you and laugh in your fukin face kid as he did mention above and enjoy doing so to 4bangers? as for king of the road, i bought that car for my wife to use for daily drive/work/grocery.

I wouldn't feel anything because I am not intimated by some random guys V8, I appreciate cars and all engines N/A or boosted. Respect the ride even if its a PoS. Get some fuCking English lessons while your at it, FOB bitch.

FYI I dont drive the lancer anymore, I don't care enough to update my profile.


I said not specifically "4 bangers"

becuase most 4 cylinders are POS also (depending on the car).



V6 is where it's at.

I'm done /

Well for someone who has a supra as their avatar, I sure am amazed that you didn't mention Inline 6 rather then V6, as for 4cyl being PoS, 4G63 is a pretty damned good engine IMO. The lesson here kids, its not always about how much the engine can push out.

[Dentz]

I said not specifically "4 bangers"

becuase most 4 cylinders are POS also (depending on the car).



V6 is where it's at.

I'm done /
I won't argue with you on the V6 comment as I myself drive one. However, saying most 4-cylinder engines are pieces of shit is a bit extreme - our family has a Volkswagen with a 20V 1.8T and I love that little engine. It's got more then enough power for most people, it's pretty good on gas, and it's got ample amounts of torque for booting around town (what it's designed for). To be perfectly frank, our 1.8T hands-down destroys my V6 when it comes to in-town running around. My V6 has no real usable power except for on long back-roads, or the highway (turbo lag until 4200RPM). Again though, my car was built for top end, where the VW is built as an awesome commuter/city car.

Note: Vw is stock, other car not so much lol.

[Death2Theft]

I really dont think people tailgating you could have that much difference you prob just have worn out parts or something.
Yeah, I'm getting about 15mpg out of my MR2T right now so I figure, I may as well get 400hp out of that 15mpg. Driving styles have changed, when I bought the MR2 10 years ago, I was able to drive it in a more relaxed manner and I could stretch the tank to 550kms before I needed a fill up. Now with everyone tail gating, pedal to the metal, I'd be lucky to get 300kms out of a tank.

[Veleno]

LS1 here!

[Leopold Stotch]

I'm not literally saying 4 cylinder have better performance than a V8, in no way that's true but it's just making my point that American cars in general use bigger engines to make the same amount of power compared to an engine with less cylinders or just generally smaller.

everyone has their own opinion... and with performance and engines aside, American cars straight fuckin ugly

HEYYYOOOO

not true anymore. sorry.

[kwijybow]

Sorry dude, I don't mean to rain on your parade but 305 Z-28's are slow as shit.
Maybe stock 305's....mine is far from stock. I mean I know it's no LS1, but my car still holds its own well enough. Like I said, I beat the 4 cyl cars out there, even a few V6's. I never claimed I had a chance with any REAL sports cars...

P.S. I didn't mean to start a flame thread here btw. I just enjoy racing cars that I know I will beat. It's not like I'm going to any serious races or anything, just launching off red lights to pass annoying kids who think they're cool in their shitty cars with new mufflers. I know third gen camaro 305's are slow...not trying to fight that point. One thing I will say in my defense is my 305 is FAR from stock. One of these days I'll get around to building a 350 and dropping it in my car, THEN I'll be good.

[!LittleDragon]

I really dont think people tailgating you could have that much difference you prob just have worn out parts or something.

No, I can still get 550+kms if I drive easy. I have to be a lot harder on the pedal just to keep up with today's flow of traffic than I did 10 years ago.

[ToyotaPowah]

Maybe stock 305's....mine is far from stock. I mean I know it's no LS1, but my car still holds its own well enough. Like I said, I beat the 4 cyl cars out there, even a few V6's. I never claimed I had a chance with any REAL sports cars...

P.S. I didn't mean to start a flame thread here btw. I just enjoy racing cars that I know I will beat. It's not like I'm going to any serious races or anything, just launching off red lights to pass annoying kids who think they're cool in their shitty cars with new mufflers. I know third gen camaro 305's are slow...not trying to fight that point. One thing I will say in my defense is my 305 is FAR from stock. One of these days I'll get around to building a 350 and dropping it in my car, THEN I'll be good.

I/H/E doesn't count as "far from stock."

[Phil@rise]

Alot of you guys are making unfair assessments and comparisons.
If your going to compare any 4,6 or 8 cylinder engine do so in the same generation of engineering.
IE a circa 85' 305 z28 might be a slouch now a days but it was still more powerful then a 4 cyl car of same vintage.

[Great68]

Alot of you guys are making unfair assessments and comparisons.
If your going to compare any 4,6 or 8 cylinder engine do so in the same generation of engineering.
IE a circa 85' 305 z28 might be a slouch now a days but it was still more powerful then a 4 cyl car of same vintage.

I agree. You have iterated exactly what I have been trying to say. This is what fuckwads like 1exotic don't seem to understand. I sure hope that in 23 years efficiency has increased to the point where they're making more power with less displacement than they were back then.

[Great68]

Maybe stock 305's....mine is far from stock. I mean I know it's no LS1, but my car still holds its own well enough. Like I said, I beat the 4 cyl cars out there, even a few V6's. I never claimed I had a chance with any REAL sports cars...



Don't generalize "4 cyl" cars. There are plenty of "4 cyl" cars which will destroy your car. What I think you mean to say is "I beat the base model econoboxes and grocery getters out there".

Edit: Fuck listen to me, I wouldn't havn't been saying shit like this 8 years ago hahaha

[originalhypa]

I know third gen camaro 305's are slow...not trying to fight that point.

They're slow because of the political ideologies that were around at the time. There was a gas shortage, and people didn't want to lug around their big blocks anymore because they cost too much. Fuel was changing, and without lead they had to drop the compression ratios. Finally, emissions standards were tacked on to the point where a 400ci motor from an 81' Chevy Van would make 185hp, and 365lbs of torque. The automakers had yet to figure out how to make emissions and performance play nice together.


IE a circa 85' 305 z28 might be a slouch now a days but it was still more powerful then a 4 cyl car of same vintage.

You bet it was.
There were a few fast cars at the time, but for the most part, the late 70's through to pretty much 1987, sucked balls for performance cars. It wasn't until the 300zx, MK3 Supra, and FC RX7 hit the market that the US makers realized people wanted speed again.

[synchrocone]

Looking at it from another perspective, although I never
lived the era, it would appear fiscal policy had a significant
part in the automotive world.

Using a fictional setting from the film "Used Cars", your
looking at a prelude to what you can say as a time when
every loan was equivalent to a credit card purchase.(Its
a very difficult film to watch but you loosen up)

It could be just a sad story of how from miners to subcontractors
to mechanics or in between how crappy things were playing catchup.
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[originalhypa]

fiscal policy, indeed.

I had the chance to talk to one of the old time GM engineers, and he said that they had the technology to make a car handle back in the 60's. In fact, if you look at the geometry of a 60's Cadillac, they were perfect. Those cars could handle, and would be amazing if they didn't weigh so much. The problem was, who would buy a Cadillac if the cheaper Chevy handled the same?

So they put control arms in the small, cheap cars that caused positive camber change. When getting an alignment, the owner could choose between camber and caster, but only two degrees. They gave them weaksauce drum brakes, and peg leg diffs in order to keep the cost down. And the cars drove like isht. The proof of this is with special editions like the 64' Chevelle L79, a short run of a few cars that Chevy made. GM axed the car, because at a cost of $4500, it would compete with the Vette. Fiscal policy.

Fast forward to 2010, and I want to prove that these cars can handle, using my 67'. Technology and capitalism have teamed up to provide proper geometry for these cars. Finally!

Here's a pic of my upper control arms. 7 degrees of caster, and up to 4.5 degrees of camber.
sweetness.

http://www.pro-touring.com/~andrewb/gtov2/photo68.jpg

ps: not my exact arms, just a generic pic, and that carpet is horrible!

Guys are tossing in Watt's links in the rear, one of the oldest automotive designs on the books.

http://www.gripping.dk/img/Guy_Watts_Link.jpg

And the cars are sticking to the track like modern day Corvettes.


Physics doesn't care whether the car is old or new. All physics cares about is how much tire is getting to the pavement, and how much friction is being generated at the tire. Suspension technology has always been there. It's just been waiting for tire technology to catch up.

[Z3guy]

^ applying new or racing automotive technology to old school cars significantly improves the way a 60s or 70s muscle car turns, handles, or steers, but they do not perform like modern cars. No matter what coilovers, control arms, chassis braces, etc you apply, the frame of reference is still an old flexible chassis designed in 40-50yrs ago.

Although I respect resto rods, they are what they are, old cars that drive pretty good and cost allot of money.

[some_punk]

Maybe stock 305's....mine is far from stock. I mean I know it's no LS1, but my car still holds its own well enough. Like I said, I beat the 4 cyl cars out there, even a few V6's. I never claimed I had a chance with any REAL sports cars...

P.S. I didn't mean to start a flame thread here btw. I just enjoy racing cars that I know I will beat. It's not like I'm going to any serious races or anything, just launching off red lights to pass annoying kids who think they're cool in their shitty cars with new mufflers. I know third gen camaro 305's are slow...not trying to fight that point. One thing I will say in my defense is my 305 is FAR from stock. One of these days I'll get around to building a 350 and dropping it in my car, THEN I'll be good.

rd gen turbo T/As with the 3.8L buick engine are still pretty fast in stock form.

[synchrocone]

All your responses do fit into the giant 'kalidoscope'.
With the recent shake up of this particular industry, I honestly
still see a glimmer of hope for enthusiasts.

Not to put Jay Leno in the spotlight, but in a recent article
he wrote that GM should rebound especially due to the fact that
they now have an ex-engineer running the show.

Using a recent book called "Drive-What Motivates Us" by Daniel Pink,
Leno's opinion could be well supported.

Essentially, the theory works in that our human brainset works on
3 operating systems.

Motivation 1.0- we must have food, water and shelter.
Motivation 2.0- reward and punishment
Motivation 2.1?- a reward system analagous to a carrot on the stick.
Motivation 3.0 and beyond- the pure joy of performing the task.

It appears that having an "engineering" based company really should
fall into a more 'advanced' operating system.

I have to say this should for now only be applied to this industry.
I'm personally quite curious to see how the factory workers overall
health currently is and will be with such a massive collective pay cut.

I'm afraid we could lose the double meaning of Cadillac if this doesn't
work. For me it will always exist.
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