[taylor192]

Please keep this thread clean, any opinions on the HST can be said in the numerous HST threads. Moderators, can you please delete any posts that don't stay on topic. (and please edit the title, damn Firefox spelling autocorrect :()

This thread is a list of places that are charging more than the extra 7% or 12%. Here is a link to compare what the increase should be: http://hst.blog.gov.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GST_PST_HST_List_v04.pdf

My first example is Quiznos:
A large Honey Bacon Club combo (chips and drink) used to be $9.95 taxes inc.
The same meal was $11.17 today.

That is a 12% increase, not a 7% increase. GST was charged on restaurant meals previously.

[gdoh]

xl black coffee and muffin from TH

before - 2.96 tax incl.
after - 3.16 tax incl.

[murd0c]

Churches chicken poco 2 spicey chicken burgers 10.08 now its 10.77
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[Boostaholic]

I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.

[q0192837465]

I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.

That's bullshit. Cost will decrease for business owners after HST. Don't let them sucker you into thinking that.

Speaking of HST. I had an argument with my gf the other day because I refused to pay 10% tips. My gf insisted that I'm punishing the owner by paying less tips. I said since they can claim 12% (vs 5% from before), they cost actually got lowered. If we pay the usual 10% tips, they get more money both from government AND consumers. Needless to say my gf didnt buy it.

[Ferra]

I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.
Cost of operations should've decreased for businesses.

for example, a $10,000+GST/PST equipment used to have net cost of $10,700 (10K+PST), after HST, their net cost is only $10,000 (7% less), since GST&HST are refundable for businesses.

[Greenstoner]

burger king, king deal meal - 4.89 or seomthing like that tax incld. (5bucks, u get change back)

after hst was $5.11 or something

[taylor192]

Churches chicken poco 2 spicey chicken burgers 10.08 now its 10.77
That is a 7% increase and is NOT overcharging. GST was charged before, so 7% increase is expected.

Perhaps people misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

[taylor192]

burger king, king deal meal - 4.89 or seomthing like that tax incld. (5bucks, u get change back)

after hst was $5.11 or something
That's not even a 7% increase!

Come on people. This is about places OVERCHARGING, ie including extra costs above and beyond the additional HST.

[murd0c]

Whoops my bad LOL
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[taylor192]

xl black coffee and muffin from TH

before - 2.96 tax incl.
after - 3.16 tax incl.
That is a 7% increase, not overcharging.

[taylor192]

I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.
There's a HST thread to discuss this. GTFO! :p

[Gumby]

My first example is Quiznos:
A large Honey Bacon Club combo (chips and drink) used to be $9.95 taxes inc.
The same meal was $11.17 today.

That is a 12% increase, not a 7% increase. GST was charged on restaurant meals previously.
How do you know Quizno didn't increase the before-tax price of their combo?

Sure, their costs might have lowered with the introduction of HST, but nobody said businesses have to pass those savings on to the customer...

[winson604]

Now I don't know if this is really on topic but I went to Pho Hoa out of desperation the other day and when I went to pay it was $8.96 for 1 bowl of large Tai Bo Vien. In my mind I was like holy crap did you guys raise your prices on top of HST or what? Even the most expensive pho for a large is usually like $6something maybe $7 flat.

[taylor192]

How do you know Quizno didn't increase the before-tax price of their combo?
My math proves they did increase the before tax price. Duh.

$9.95 inc 5% GST == $9.48 before tax
$11.17 inc 12% HST == $9.97 before tax

Thus Quiznos added a $0.50 increase hoping most dumb customers would just blame it on the HST. Considering the responses thus far showcasing lack of math skill, I think there'll be a lot of businesses taking advantage of math dumb customers.

[Greenstoner]

gdoh's first responses caused a chaos failure in this thread

lol

[penner2k]

Its sorta funny watching the anti hst ppl on tv talking about how everything is gonna be more expensive. They start listing stuff that had both pst and gst before anyways so the prices should be the same..

[Domani]

That's bullshit. Cost will decrease for business owners after HST. Don't let them sucker you into thinking that.

Speaking of HST. I had an argument with my gf the other day because I refused to pay 10% tips. My gf insisted that I'm punishing the owner by paying less tips. I said since they can claim 12% (vs 5% from before), they cost actually got lowered. If we pay the usual 10% tips, they get more money both from government AND consumers. Needless to say my gf didnt buy it.

i hope the restaurant you went was an asian one not a western one where your
server kept the tips?

[Manic!]

How do you know Quizno didn't increase the before-tax price of their combo?



My cousin owns a Quizno's and was telling me they were not making enough money on the Honey club so after complaining to corporate for months they finally increased the price. This was a few weeks before HST came into affect.

[taylor192]

My cousin owns a Quizno's and was telling me they were not making enough money on the Honey club so after complaining to corporate for months they finally increased the price. This was a few weeks before HST came into affect.
Interesting. I haven't gotten it in a few weeks, so that might explain it. It was the best value sub, lots of meat for a low price.

[q0192837465]

i hope the restaurant you went was an asian one not a western one where your
server kept the tips?

Correct, Asian restaurant where tips r distributed.

Well, McD jacked up their pre-tax price by 30 cents, but I dunno if it has to do with HST or just inflation.

[InvisibleSoul]

This thread is full of fail.

[!LittleDragon]

Shell at 49th and Kerr

Pack of smokes prior to HST = less than $10
Pack of smokes after HST = $11.19

[Gumby]

My math proves they did increase the before tax price. Duh.

$9.95 inc 5% GST == $9.48 before tax
$11.17 inc 12% HST == $9.97 before tax

Thus Quiznos added a $0.50 increase hoping most dumb customers would just blame it on the HST. Considering the responses thus far showcasing lack of math skill, I think there'll be a lot of businesses taking advantage of math dumb customers.
Ahh ok - I thought you were implying that businesses were charging more than 12% tax (assuming the before-tax price was unchanged).

Example:
June 30: $9.48 + 5% GST = $9.95
July 1: $9.48 + more than just 12% tax = $11.17

I think you should edit your original post and say something like "places that raised prices post-HST".

[Mr.HappySilp]

That's bullshit. Cost will decrease for business owners after HST. Don't let them sucker you into thinking that.

Speaking of HST. I had an argument with my gf the other day because I refused to pay 10% tips. My gf insisted that I'm punishing the owner by paying less tips. I said since they can claim 12% (vs 5% from before), they cost actually got lowered. If we pay the usual 10% tips, they get more money both from government AND consumers. Needless to say my gf didnt buy it.

What people should do is pay tips according to the amount before the tax. Say the meal is 10 so after tax is like 11.20 so if you want to pay 10% tip u only need to pay $1 not $1.12(close to it anyways). So the amount of tips you pay should stay the same.

[RRxtar]

once again, revscene has gone full retard in a thread again. so much fail

[winson604]

What people should do is pay tips according to the amount before the tax. Say the meal is 10 so after tax is like 11.20 so if you want to pay 10% tip u only need to pay $1 not $1.12(close to it anyways). So the amount of tips you pay should stay the same.

Exactly! For the other people who think you are tipping more now then sorry to break the news but that means you've always been tipping on total amount which means you've always been tipping too much suckas.

[AzNightmare]

some people insist on tipping 15% or maybe even 20%.
It's kind of funny, because they think they're all hotshit when they brag about tipping that much...
When I just think they're fools that are wasting money.

lol

[Vale46Rossi]

I can see that OP is on the other side with a calculator trying to see if you guys got your math correct.

[Presto]

some people insist on tipping 15% or maybe even 20%.
It's kind of funny, because they think they're all hotshit when they brag about tipping that much...
When I just think they're fools that are wasting money.

lol



How about people tipping 15%+ because the service was good? I'm sure a lot of folks in the service industry make their survival on decent tips. Does someone need to post that scene from Reservoir Dogs, again?

Sorry for keeping this OT, but this thread was derailed long ago.

[Elements604]

Cost of operations should've decreased for businesses.

for example, a $10,000+GST/PST equipment used to have net cost of $10,700 (10K+PST), after HST, their net cost is only $10,000 (7% less), since GST&HST are refundable for businesses.

Its really not that much lower for restaurants, as they were already saving taxes on food and alcohol items, the main expenses.

Its going to hurt the industry for a bit, until people forget about this crap in a few months.

[taylor192]

I think you should edit your original post and say something like "places that raised prices post-HST".
I should, I didn't account for the lack of intelligence on RS :D

[Amuse]

Prices will NEVER drop in BC.

[spoon.ek9]

once again, revscene has gone full retard in a thread again. so much fail

hahahah made me lol :lol

[Oleophobic]

Now I don't know if this is really on topic but I went to Pho Hoa out of desperation the other day and when I went to pay it was $8.96 for 1 bowl of large Tai Bo Vien. In my mind I was like holy crap did you guys raise your prices on top of HST or what? Even the most expensive pho for a large is usually like $6something maybe $7 flat.

I guess places that never charged GST before are now charging HST so an $8 bowl of pho (used to be $8 flat no tax) will now be $8.96 with HST?

That's what happened at the pho places I go to.

[johny]

went to a jap place in cresent beach couple days ago and they lowered the the prices 7% so the final prices stay the same... one win for them. everyone else fails

[6thGear.]

since GST&HST are refundable for businesses.

Not the full GST amount is refunded. Depends if the business profited, broke even or filed a loss to CRA. Now, as for HST, gonna have to wait till tax season to know that.

[keifun]

Orange Julius @ Richmond center...where I work

small orange julius (pre-HST) $3.72 x 1.05 = $3.90

small orange julius (HST): it should be $3.72 x 1.12 = $4.1664 but its now
$3.75 x 1.12 = $4.20.

oh yeah..my manager is asian..so yeah. :p

[GordonTse]

2 packs of smokes before $19.75. now $21.84. 10.6% increase(smokes had gst already). also the lady even told me that certain Esso charges more now to hide the increase. but i only noticed because i bought 2 packs right after hst and was below $21 and now she even said she works at 2 essos and that one i bought from up'd the price even more compared to other one she works at.

[red_2]

2 packs of smokes before $19.75. now $21.84. 10.6% increase(smokes had gst already). also the lady even told me that certain Esso charges more now to hide the increase. but i only noticed because i bought 2 packs right after hst and was below $21 and now she even said she works at 2 essos and that one i bought from up'd the price even more compared to other one she works at.

$21.84!!!

I gotta quit smoking now.

[orange7]

Chinese food at UBC village:

before
2 items: $5.50


after
2 items: $6.25


IMO, the HST was not only for a tax increase, but as well as an increase in prices in general. It was the perfect way for businesses to increase their product prices without having the customers bitching.

[Ch28]

some people insist on tipping 15% or maybe even 20%.
It's kind of funny, because they think they're all hotshit when they brag about tipping that much...
When I just think they're fools that are wasting money.

lol

holy shit!

Mr. Pink?! Is that you??

http://www.s-cnet.ne.jp/%7Escn01448/buscemiwk/images/mr.pink.jpg

[Amuse]

I cut down on all overpriced outside food now. $6 for a cooked hot dog after tax? $5 for a small little lunch sandwich that doesn't make you full? lol...
If businesses raise their prices to take advantage of us customers, that just makes me not buy from them.
I make my food from scratch now. Buy flour to make bread, no pathetic HST.

[orange7]

*edit nvm..

me need to buy flour more often

[misteranswer]

I agree with everything you said but the bolded part.

I too have cut down on eating overpriced small portion food found outside.

However, I don't get what you mean by "buy flour = no pathetic HST."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is HST on the flour that you buy at any local supermarket.

There's no HST on Flour....or Bread.

[vash13]

^^ I believe there is HST on bread that has chocolate or other stuff on it.

[SilverBlitz]

saw this on someones facebook

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs110.snc4/35885_10150192837640640_529990639_12962326_3087913 _n.jpg

gst + pst + hst

[Not really racist!]

^ wtf?

isnt that liek 24% then

[w00tgasm]

It's pro-rated I think. The monthly bill doesn't go from the first to the last day of each month, it overlaps a bit.

[Anjew]

i get delivery from hon's on robson alot and i noticed the price went up as well + hst. i have the 2 menu's side by side and the base prices went up.

i think orange 7 is right about

IMO, the HST was not only for a tax increase, but as well as an increase in prices in general. It was the perfect way for businesses to increase their product prices without having the customers bitching.

[taylor192]

It's pro-rated I think. The monthly bill doesn't go from the first to the last day of each month, it overlaps a bit.

Thank god someone is smart enough to figure it out! :thumbsup:

[hotjoint]

wow sneaky business'

[Nssan]

I have a questions about the private sale of used vehicles

before its just the PST 7% , but now .. it says HST not required,but then still 12% because they want to be comparable with dealerships.... then what is the point of a private sale.

That is saying, if we sell something used (anything) , in the stores, they charge tax,.. so we should too. ?? .. can anybody clarify that

[taylor192]

I have a questions about the private sale of used vehicles

before its just the PST 7% , but now .. it says HST not required,but then still 12% because they want to be comparable with dealerships.... then what is the point of a private sale.

That is saying, if we sell something used (anything) , in the stores, they charge tax,.. so we should too. ?? .. can anybody clarify that
There was no GST charged previously on private used vehicle sales.
There was 7% PST charged previously on private used vehicle sales.

The reason you're confused is cause of how they word the HST. The HST is a federal tax, like the GST. Thus essentially the HST is the GST with the PST rolled into it. For items where no GST was applied, there's no GST to roll the PST into to create the HST. Thus instead they say the PST was raised to 12% for these items to stay consistent taxing everything 12%.

Lost? Ya, its stupid, just word games.

This means there is no incentive to buy privately anymore, no tax to be saved. I think this will hurt the private sale business, as people generally feel better buying from a business cause they can go back to the business for service, complaints, ...

Technically you're supposed to be charging tax on any private sale items, not just cars, yet most of us don't and the tax man doesn't care as long as we're only selling a few things at a time. CRA has cracked down on eBay sellers, since they were avoiding paying tax and essentially running a business.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Selling WoW account! With epic everything
$500 + Tax. That's right you heard me you gotta pay tax now coz is the new law!

On topic. Man I am about to go out for lunch at crystal mall but with this HST thing I am not so sure anymore lol. Seems like all the small place is ripping customer off by having a price increase.

[BlackZRoadster]

Nanchu in richmond, they changed their menu after HST.

Everything on the menu includes HST already, no tax on liquor, but i forgot what their regular prices were, so dunno if they jacked it up, most likely they did.

[Ferra]

Not the full GST amount is refunded. Depends if the business profited, broke even or filed a loss to CRA. Now, as for HST, gonna have to wait till tax season to know that.
GST has nothing to do with whether the business is making a net profit or net loss...

100% of the GST/HST they paid are refunded
100% of the GST/HST they collected on behalf of the government are remitted
if a business collected more GST than they've paid, they pay the excess back to the government. If they paid more GST than they collected, they get a refund on the difference..

The point is...all GST money whether owned or owed, does not belong to the business.

[dark0821]

i notice a huge jacked up pricing @ killarney community centre pool after july 1st... defintely went up more than 7% after the HST kicked in..

[Mr.HappySilp]

went to crystal mall food court for lunch. Before HST a meal with soup and drink cost $7 at most. Now it cost an extra $1.20 O_O

[68style]

GST has nothing to do with whether the business is making a net profit or net loss...

100% of the GST/HST they paid are refunded
100% of the GST/HST they collected on behalf of the government are remitted
if a business collected more GST than they've paid, they pay the excess back to the government. If they paid more GST than they collected, they get a refund on the difference..

The point is...all GST money whether owned or owed, does not belong to the business.


You're living in a dream land man... you think all the asian places that charge cash only for everything report their income and remit the tax to the government???? Asian cash-only businesses are laughing their asses off with this tax, they're getting another free 7% profit margin they didn't have before!! LOL

[TomBox_N]

You're living in a dream land man... you think all the asian places that charge cash only for everything report their income and remit the tax to the government???? Asian cash-only businesses are laughing their asses off with this tax, they're getting another free 7% profit margin they didn't have before!! LOL

Exactly, that's why I won't hesitate into leaving less tips.
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[AzNightmare]

How about people tipping 15%+ because the service was good? I'm sure a lot of folks in the service industry make their survival on decent tips. Does someone need to post that scene from Reservoir Dogs, again?

Sorry for keeping this OT, but this thread was derailed long ago.

Oh, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I meant to say people automatically tip 15% right off the bat.
Mediocre to piss poor service. Because anything less than 15% would seem cheap,
I don't want to look like a cheap ass.
Then it can go 20-25% if it's a good service. Hot girl, automatic 30% tip.
:thumbsup:

[hotjoint]

Oh, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I meant to say people automatically tip 15% right off the bat.
Mediocre to piss poor service. Because anything less than 15% would seem cheap,
I don't want to look like a cheap ass.
Then it can go 20-25% if it's a good service. Hot girl, automatic 30% tip.
:thumbsup:

what if its a hot girl who gives you shitty service?

[Vale46Rossi]

what if its a hot girl who gives you shitty service?

then you give her 20%

:D

[mqr03]

Why is everyone complaining about this HST? I don't hear anyone crying about inflation and HST isn't that bad. So you have to pay a couple dollars more. If ur so concerned about your finances then budget better and stop going out so much.

[Tapioca]

Why is everyone complaining about this HST? I don't hear anyone crying about inflation and HST isn't that bad. So you have to pay a couple dollars more. If ur so concerned about your finances then budget better and stop going out so much.

There is a variety of reasons:

1. People believe that the Liberal government promised that they would not pursue the HST prior to the last election (Campbell never promised anything on this point, btw.) The HST was introduced soon after the last election, so people now feel that they have been betrayed.

2. People who own small service-industry businesses (restaurants, salons, gyms, etc.) who never had to charge PST feel that their businesses will lose customers because of the tax. I have eaten out since July 1 and I haven't noticed a real decrease in customer traffic at my regular establishments.

3. People who are living beyond their means by going out excessively are going to feel the pinch a bit more. But instead of applying for a promotion or looking at other ways of making more money to support their lifestyle, they instead blame the politicians.

[mqr03]

^ people who trust the government are pinheads. its a dog eat dog world and you gotta hustle or get raped in the butt

[InvisibleSoul]

$1.50 pizza is now $1.75 at FM Classic and 2001 Flavours. :cry:

Pre-HST: $1.50 = $1.43 + 5% GST
Now: $1.75 = $1.56 + 12% HST

So the actual price went up 13¢ besides the 7% tax hike. :(

[SlowRider]

ono's sushi at the chilliwack mall has increased prices on everything by a dollar..and they blame hst for the increase in price....so a sushi combo going for $6 before hst is now 7$ ??? ???

[exdee]

lol scaaamss

[falcon]

OPA on Queensborough landing upped their prices $1.00 all around after HST. Won't be eating lunch there anymore.

[Amuse]

$1.50 pizza is now $1.75 at FM Classic and 2001 Flavours. :cry:

Pre-HST: $1.50 = $1.43 + 5% GST
Now: $1.75 = $1.56 + 12% HST

So the actual price went up 13¢ besides the 7% tax hike. :(
Wow. That place used to charge $0.95 per pizza slice. Just pay $1 flat.
Then $1.25, $1.50, $1.75. I guess there are no more $1 pizza places and prices will NEVER drop here in BC.

[ra604]

these are places I've noticed are costing more:
Starbucks: venti flavoured frappe Reg: $4.95 HST: $5.10
Panago: 2 medium pizzas Reg: about $34 HST: about $38

Sure the prices aren't much..but after a while could've saved a couple bucks

[orange7]

just gonna mean eating out less than before.

GG I dunno how to cook.

[BaoXu]

Pho Tam in Surrey is like $8 for a large bowl of pho! AAAAAAARRGGGGHHHHHHHHH

[orange7]

Pho Tam in Surrey is like $8 for a large bowl of pho! AAAAAAARRGGGGHHHHHHHHH

dam..

I still remember the prices were like $5.50 (small) and $6.50 (large) for most pho places I went to.

[taylor192]

prices will NEVER drop here in BC.
Dropping prices means deflation. Deflation means the economy is in the shitter. The economy in the shitter means you might not have a job. Not having a job means you cannot afford $1 pizza.

Inflation is a good thing, now go learn why.

[van_driver]

Dropping prices means deflation. Deflation means the economy is in the shitter. The economy in the shitter means you might not have a job. Not having a job means you cannot afford $1 pizza.

Inflation is a good thing, now go learn why.

Dropping the price on something doesn't necessarily cause deflation. Giving discounts and rebates won't cause you to lose your job, even for long periods of time. For example, they never drop prices on cars, they only give "cash back" and "rebates".

High Inflation doesn't mean we are all going to be balling. Inflation brings high prices where only manufacturers and a few industries make a lot of money. Even though tons of people will be better off but it won't bring everyone's living standards to a higher level. Optimal inflation is 2-4% per year (correct me if im wrong), which is not much year to year, but long term is huge.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you're going to discuss economics, please don't use terms like "balling" :facepalm:

[Gumby]

If you're going to discuss economics, please don't use terms like "balling" :facepalm:
Hahaha... :thumbsup:

[mikemhg]

Dropping prices means deflation. Deflation means the economy is in the shitter. The economy in the shitter means you might not have a job. Not having a job means you cannot afford $1 pizza.

Inflation is a good thing, now go learn why.

Tell that to Zimbabwe, do you ever know what you're talking about?

[orange7]

Dropping prices means deflation. Deflation means the economy is in the shitter. The economy in the shitter means you might not have a job. Not having a job means you cannot afford $1 pizza.

Inflation is a good thing, now go learn why.

well if the prices drop back down to where the equilibrium point is, then wouldn't it be a good thing? Assuming the prices are well above the equilibrium point right now.

dunno.. I'm not an economist. All I did in econ 101 was thinking about sashimi and armpits.

[taylor192]

Tell that to Zimbabwe, do you ever know what you're talking about?
Do you always bring a gun to a knife fight? Of course run away inflation is bad, duh.

[GodZilla]

How about the pay parking at 5000 Kingsway the London Drugs parking lot.
Use to be $1.25 now its $1.50 = 20% increase exactly.

[van_driver]

Do you always bring a gun to a knife fight? Of course run away inflation is bad, duh.

Do you always post bullshit to mislead people?

[Fafine]

Do you always post bullshit to mislead people?

easiest way to win a debate isn't to prove your point but to make your opponent wrong