[neggo]

Saw this documentary mentioned in a few threads, but never actually saw the video until now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-8MY1Gep_A&feature=related

[RayBot]

OMG...the Iron Sheik!!

One of the best all-around athletes in sports entertainment....but gotta put this doc on hold...heading to the gym.

Thanks though...

[Meowjin]

its a good doc. I've always wondered why we don't allow steroid discussion here.

[Fobman]

just watched it all
after watching i wanna take steroids LOL

[SkinnyPupp]

Steroid discussion is fine (aside from selling), if people are willing to admit they do it

[hal0g0dv2]

Steroid discussion is fine (aside from selling), if people are willing to admit they do it

:werd:

selling is a no no

[Alpine50]

Ha this wad on tv the other day saw it a while ago though pretty good
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[Tegra_Devil]

i dont judge people who take them(a few good friends have taken tbol, test-e, etc)....i only judge people who take them and their ego goes through the roof and their personality changes(some ex friends).

there are a lot worse 'drugs' out there that are legal, that people take every day.

i would contemplate going on the juice to better myself in the profession if it was legal.

who wouldnt want the most capable, physically strong firefighter or police officer to help them.

[Meowjin]

Well I started taking winstrol and test prop and I can honestly say that I've been shedding weight like a mad man and the urge and desire to go to the gym has gone through the roof. My confidence has gone up and I just feel better about myself than I ever did.

[mikemhg]

i dont judge people who take them(a few good friends have taken tbol, test-e, etc)....i only judge people who take them and their ego goes through the roof and their personality changes(some ex friends).

there are a lot worse 'drugs' out there that are legal, that people take every day.

i would contemplate going on the juice to better myself in the profession if it was legal.

who wouldnt want the most capable, physically strong firefighter or police officer to help them.

I know quite a few Cops and Firefighters (as I used to work in the industry) that use a lot of juice. Pretty common I would say.

[Tegra_Devil]

I know quite a few Cops and Firefighters (as I used to work in the industry) that use a lot of juice. Pretty common I would say.

ya, my friends who do it are all in emergency services.

Well I started taking winstrol and test prop and I can honestly say that I've been shedding weight like a mad man and the urge and desire to go to the gym has gone through the roof. My confidence has gone up and I just feel better about myself than I ever did.

when did you u last run a cycle?

lots of my buddies praise winstrol cause they were dropping weight super fast, and kept great lean muscle with no water weight gain..they said they were pissing a million times a day though(which is probably why there was no water weight retention)

how did you find test prop? i could never inject myself...being a medic...needles can never enter my skin, but i have no problem setting a drip up on someone. LOL

my ideal set up would be winstrol w/ tbol (maybe an 8 week cycle).....though that would kill my liver as both are oral(so you would have to keep it on low doses), but at least both of these would never cause water weight retention. both are great for cutting and they have the proper compounds to make it through your liver for a first and possibly second pass.

then after a good cut, I would just run just tbol after an 8 week recovery cycle...dont know what i would use for recovery though

[hal0g0dv2]

just wait till you get older, u will notice side effects big time

[Meowjin]

I know quite a few Cops and Firefighters (as I used to work in the industry) that use a lot of juice. Pretty common I would say.

i can honestly say most guys in their 20's have been on juice. Every single athelete is on HGH.

[Meowjin]

ya, my friends who do it are all in emergency services.



when did you u last run a cycle?

lots of my buddies praise winstrol cause they were dropping weight super fast, and kept great lean muscle with no water weight gain..they said they were pissing a million times a day though(which is probably why there was no water weight retention)

how did you find test prop? i could never inject myself...being a medic...needles can never enter my skin, but i have no problem setting a drip up on someone. LOL

my ideal set up would be winstrol w/ tbol (maybe an 8 week cycle).....though that would kill my liver as both are oral(so you would have to keep it on low doses), but at least both of these would never cause water weight retention. both are great for cutting and they have the proper compounds to make it through your liver for a first and possibly second pass.

then after a good cut, I would just run just tbol after an 8 week recovery cycle...dont know what i would use for recovery though

Winstrol/test prop is great because when I'm trying to lose 40 pounds and it prevents muscle wasting. Yeah injectibles suck especially by yourself, but you just gotta be smart about it. Also it helps to get a good source of test prop. This is my first cycle. If you find needles painful, get a smaller guage needle and fill it into the bigger gauge. It's been about 2 and a half weeks now and I defiently look alot different. Now I just gotta stop eating shit and I'll look amazing. After my cycle is over gotta get on clomid. Oral's are hard on your liver but only in high doses. I'm taking about 40mg of winstrol a day.

Wait isn't tbol a gainer? Why would you take a cutter and a gainer 0_o.

[penner2k]

Well I started taking winstrol and test prop and I can honestly say that I've been shedding weight like a mad man and the urge and desire to go to the gym has gone through the roof. My confidence has gone up and I just feel better about myself than I ever did.

I honestly think that they should experiment with test injections as a way to deal with mild depression. I've never done it but everyone I know that has says its actually the best feeling in the world.

[Tegra_Devil]

Wait isn't tbol a gainer? Why would you take a cutter and a gainer 0_o.

tbol is more strength than gainer...It also helps because it doesnt make you retain water and also helps with getting that 'hard' look, just like winny.
so I would be doing a cutting/strength cycle, though im not to sure what you would take for a PCT with it.

Regarding needles...one of my buddies gets his other friend to inject it for him, so he doesnt have to do it to himself.

MajinHurricane what was your b/f % before starting the cycle and what are you expecting it to be after?



question...my buddy told me it is only illegal to buy/sell steroids, but it is NOT illegal to be in possession.

[Meowjin]

lol. i honestly do believe every athelete is on some type of performance enhancer. And most people I meet take them. About 2 million americans a year take AAS for cosmetic purposes. Stop hating. (in response to louis)

[Meowjin]

tbol is more strength than gainer...It also helps because it doesnt make you retain water and also helps with getting that 'hard' look, just like winny.
so I would be doing a cutting/strength cycle, though im not to sure what you would take for a PCT with it.

Regarding needles...one of my buddies gets his other friend to inject it for him, so he doesnt have to do it to himself.

MajinHurricane what was your b/f % before starting the cycle and what are you expecting it to be after?



question...my buddy told me it is only illegal to buy/sell steroids, but it is NOT illegal to be in possession.

no its illegal to have in possession.

I dont know what my bodyfat is but from what people are telling me I look 100% better than I did 2 and a half weeks ago. my goal is to get down to 15%. Right now i'm probably at 25.

[Tegra_Devil]

Steroid discussion is fine (aside from selling), if people are willing to admit they do it

most of my friends were very open about taking them...i didnt know people were embarrassed about it

the pro's outweigh the very rare con's(for people who dont abuse it)

no its illegal to have in possession.

I dont know what my bodyfat is but from what people are telling me I look 100% better than I did 2 and a half weeks ago. my goal is to get down to 15%. Right now i'm probably at 25.

good to know.

ya, im probably 19%(200-205lbs-6'2") right now....hitting single digits would be nice.

im sure ill give myself another year of steady gym and diet, before i start...who knows, i might be happy with my progress after a year and just keep it natural

and if not...ill just get one of my buddies to help me stick, cause im too much of a pussy to do it to myself :)

Hey, are you taking cod liver oil suppliments during your whole cycle including PCT?

you'll need to keep your joints lubed, as winny dries them out after a while.

[mikemhg]

My BF right now is about 8%, wouldn't mind getting lower, but it's too difficult lifestyle wise.

Can't do injections either, wish I could cause that's real crank obviously. Just something about putting a needle into muscle that creeps me out, doesn't seem right even if a friend or gf does it for you.

Of the orals I've done, I enjoyed Anavar the most, little to no side effects other than a little back break outs and some dry skin. Incredible strength and muscle hardness though.

I would suggest running that with some TBOL, or Primo if you can get your hands on it.

Do a month of clen too if you want to drop further BF. Avavar is a better choice than Winny, trust me on that one, Winny is some toxic nasty shit, Anavar is not.

[Meowjin]

I've worked out for 3 years now, and I've been from 262 down to 180 back up to 240. I'm now 235. My goal is at least 200 or 210. I'm 6 1 btw. I should post my first before or after from when I first lost weight.
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[L0uie69]

lol. i honestly do believe every athelete is on some type of performance enhancer. And most people I meet take them. About 2 million americans a year take AAS for cosmetic purposes. Stop hating. (in response to louis)

No hating. Just a really BOLD statement you made with no actual references aside from people YOU met.

[Tegra_Devil]

I've worked out for 3 years now, and I've been from 262 down to 180 back up to 240. I'm now 235. My goal is at least 200 or 210. I'm 6 1 btw. I should post my first before or after from when I first lost weight.
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id be curious to see how big of a difference you had....no homo

[realG]

i can honestly say most guys in their 20's have been on juice. Every single athelete is on HGH.

okkkkk there buddy, do you realize how ridiculous and ignorant you sound?

keep trying to justify and convince yourself you're doing the right thing by taking steroids.

[Meowjin]

My winny is through orals not injections. And the source is great.
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And I've heard good things about anavar, although I'm told on first cycle it isn't good.

[Tegra_Devil]

hmmm...ive heard anavar and tbol are very similar...both are bitchtits and depression free. but both can be extremely toxic to your liver in high/abusive doses and raise your cholesterol.

My BF right now is about 8%, wouldn't mind getting lower, but it's too difficult lifestyle wise.

Can't do injections either, wish I could cause that's real crank obviously. Just something about putting a needle into muscle that creeps me out, doesn't seem right even if a friend or gf does it for you.

Of the orals I've done, I enjoyed Anavar the most, little to no side effects other than a little back break outs and some dry skin. Incredible strength and muscle hardness though.

I would suggest running that with some TBOL, or Primo if you can get your hands on it.

Do a month of clen too if you want to drop further BF. Avavar is a better choice than Winny, trust me on that one, Winny is some toxic nasty shit, Anavar is not.

have you run anavar with tbol or heard of people doing that?

i wonder how rough that would be on your liver taking those two orals. That being said, Im sure that fat would just pour off you with that combo.

i have also heard good things about stacking clen and anavar

[Meowjin]

okkkkk there buddy, do you realize how ridiculous and ignorant you sound?

keep trying to justify and convince yourself you're doing the right thing by taking steroids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergogenic_use_of_anabolic_steroids

I don't need to convince anyone if i'm doing the right thing, I'm doing it for my own benefit, so your the one sounding like an idiot.

[Meowjin]

id be curious to see how big of a difference you had....no homo

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2232/2038578498_b10d5005ba_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/253/526492876_2d96d8e518_b.jpg

ignore the stupid pose.

[Tegra_Devil]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2232/2038578498_b10d5005ba_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/253/526492876_2d96d8e518_b.jpg

ignore the stupid pose.

holy shit man....you dropped a lot of weight! so was that on your first cutting cycle? or is that current? or all natural dieting?

congrats either way

Here is me last august...at 15%

as i said before im probably 19-20% right now...but suprisingly dont notice that much of difference

http://a.imageshack.us/img833/6859/august1bf147wgt1937lbsc.jpg

[Meowjin]

that was when i first lost weight in 2007. That was all natural (unless you consider ephidrine illegal)

[Tegra_Devil]

that was when i first lost weight in 2007. That was all natural (unless you consider ephidrine illegal)

lol...well good job!

[hal0g0dv2]

fuck i would be Ronnie Coleman iff i went on roids

[hal0g0dv2]

My BF right now is about 8%, wouldn't mind getting lower, but it's too difficult lifestyle wise.

Can't do injections either, wish I could cause that's real crank obviously. Just something about putting a needle into muscle that creeps me out, doesn't seem right even if a friend or gf does it for you.

Of the orals I've done, I enjoyed Anavar the most, little to no side effects other than a little back break outs and some dry skin. Incredible strength and muscle hardness though.

I would suggest running that with some TBOL, or Primo if you can get your hands on it.

Do a month of clen too if you want to drop further BF. Avavar is a better choice than Winny, trust me on that one, Winny is some toxic nasty shit, Anavar is not.

what is your current weight ?
stats ?

[Meowjin]

I dont see the point in doing roids if you arn't stacking. correct me if im wrong.

honestly injectables arn't that bad, as long as you are using a smaller gauge needle to fill the bigger gauge needles, that way the needle enter's painlessly.

[Tegra_Devil]

fuck i would be Ronnie Coleman iff i went on roids

thats gross hahahaha

[penner2k]

When I eventually do roids I'll be stacking Anavar with Test... Sure you might not put on like 30-40 lbs like some stacks might do but if you can put on 15-20 lbs of solid muscle in 3 months I'd be happy...

btw Anavar is one of the safest roids you can take... some people actually use it as a bridge in between cycles..

[Meowjin]

im pretty sure test prop is.

[penner2k]

im pretty sure test prop is.

Test Prop will shut your natural test down when done with dosages high enough to see big improvements.. Anavar really has almost no side effects other then being really expensive..

[Noir]

The film was so-so. It reads like the a Michael Moore or Zeitgeist documentary where it reads like a one-sided agenda based documentary.

Unfortunately because of that approach, a lot of people like myself who aren't well-versed with steroid usage will be taking a lot of the information with a grain of salt; pertinent information included.

[Meowjin]

That's because most steroids generally have little side effects.
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and yeah anavar is expensive. Well see how this cycle goes.

[hal0g0dv2]

The film was so-so. It reads like the a Michael Moore or Zeitgeist documentary where it reads like a one-sided agenda based documentary.

Unfortunately because of that approach, a lot of people like myself who aren't well-versed with steroid usage will be taking a lot of the information with a grain of salt; pertinent information included.

of course it is one sided, they want you to think that roids are fine and everyone does them, its like if they made a movie about smoking, no one dies from smoking cigs but its the " side effects that kill you "

[Manic!]

http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/12/22/mike-mad-dog-bell-from-bigger-stronger-faster-found-dead/


Bigger, Stronger, Faster was one of my favourite documentaries from the past year, and if you haven’t seen it, the movie examines the causes and effects of steroid use as seen through the eyes of the filmmaker and his two brothers. This week we have some sad news that one of the film’s subjects has passed away. Mike “Mad Dog” Bell, the older brother of director Chris Bell, was found dead on December 14th at a live-in rehabilitation facility in Costa Mesa, California. He was 37 years old.

Bell worked as a wrestler for WWE’s Monday Night Raw, and had struggled for years with an addiction to alcohol and painkillers (although he had been clean for at least 60 days prior to his death). In some ways, this reflects the reality of Mickey Rourke’s performance in The Wrestler. Chris Bell had this to say about his brother’s death: “You can’t really blame wrestling, but it’s kind of the lifestyle… You have a couple of painkillers to get to the next match, have a couple drinks night to night and it gets out of hand.” The question a lot of people are wondering is whether or not his death was related in any way to steroids. The autopsy was inconclusive, but the coroner is currently awaiting the results of a toxicology test. (Thanks to Rico for the heads up!)

[hal0g0dv2]

the pain killer is a cover up for sure
what do u think he was doing half his life not roids :rolleyes:

[Meowjin]

i'd blame hgh before i blamed steroids.,

[SizzleChest]

i liked the documentary for showing both sides of the argument and not really taking sides by say steroids are good/bad and revealing society's hypocritcal views about the drug.

[rice cooker]

i was thinking about using anavar till i read about the hairloss side effect

[Tegra_Devil]

i was thinking about using anavar till i read about the hairloss side effect

you only 'possibly' lose your hair when your on it....when you go off of it..then your back to normal..thats why people do it in shorter cycles like 8-12 weeks so it doesnt do permenant damage




Here is a good cutting stack I have really been pondering:


Clenbuterol (100 tabs @ 40mcg)
T3 (100 tabs @ 100mcg)
Nolvadex (120tabs @ 20mgs)
Arimidex (28 tabs @ 1mg)

Week Clenbuterol T3 Arimidex Nolvadex
1 40mcgs/ED 20mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 40mgs/ED
2 60mcgs/ED 20mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 40mgs/ED
3 --OFF-- 40mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 40mgs/ED
4 --OFF-- 40mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 40mgs/ED
5 60mcgs/ED 60mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 40mgs/ED
6 80mcgs/ED 40mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 40mgs/ED
7 --OFF-- 20mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 20mgs/ED
8 80mcgs/ED 20mcgs/ED 0.25mgs/ED 20mgs/ED

[hal0g0dv2]

is anyone here using roids to get jacked or just to loose fat ????

[Tegra_Devil]

is anyone here using roids to get jacked or just to loose fat ????

there is only one person using roids here.............others in limbo

[Meowjin]

is anyone here using roids to get jacked or just to loose fat ????

my friends on tren/eth/eq and he got pretty jacked fast.

[SizzleChest]

i can understand why someone who is trying to become a professional athlete would consider steroids, but for everyone else that uses them, is looking good really worth the possible side effects?

[Meowjin]

How about the positive side effects?
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[penner2k]

i can understand why someone who is trying to become a professional athlete would consider steroids, but for everyone else that uses them, is looking good really worth the possible side effects?

They are actually pretty safe if you know what you are doing and are prepared for the possibility of side effects.

One thing I hate is people that go on about how steroids are horrible yet they will go out and get drunk a couple times a week. Or are eating fast food almost everyday... Or even just sit at home and play video games instead of actually getting out and doing some physical activity..
I'm not saying this to you. I'm just saying there are lots of things that someone can do that are far worse for their body in the long run but nobody ever says anything about that.

[Alpine50]

You would say eating junk and drinking are worse than roids?
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[Meowjin]

yes. Especially foods with hfcs.

[RayBot]

In addition to the talks about professional athletes using steroids...i watched this awesome interview on youtube a while ago with two wrestlers that were popular in the 80s whoever are old enough to watch wrestling back then with the 'Barbarian' and the 'Warlord.'....or 'The Powers of Pain' as what their tag team was called.

In short, completely talks how back then, the WWF regulated steroid use for a very specific reason; to have the wrestlers be able to perform if they had a show on the road the next day. Considering that back then between weekly broadcasts, they would have 3 or 4 shows in between those times so they used steroids as a healing agent (for whoever watched the movie, "The Wrestler," it was the exact reason why Ram was roiding up).

Anyways, it goes into explaining why The Barbarian and the Warlord never ever wonthe tagteam championships or individual championship belts. When they entered the WWF, they were THE tagteam to beat the champions back then, Demolition. After a good few months of developing a good script that Demolition was the unbeatable tagteam of the time, here comes the Warlord and Barbarian from WCW. However, they never became the champions because they refused to use steroids (hard to beleive because they totally look like roid bodies).

In the sense of business, if you were a world/tagteam/intercontinental champion, it was necessary to be performing when scheduled; NO EXCEPTIONS. When a champion has to be absent due to injury, it was considered 'bad for business.' Whether you were a face or a heel, being a champion meant that you will be one of the main events of the evening. So having said that, these two wrestlers never had the chance to be champions based on a risk circumstance.

Anyways, this explains (im assuming) why they seperated the WWE into Raw and Smackdown, and why the wrestlers don't look as jacked as they used to. Having two brands (and less road shows) gives the athletes a full week of recovery before their next show so they wouldn't have to use steroids as a healing agent anymore.

Anyways...just thought i would type this out...bored in the office, so yah.

[SizzleChest]

Anyways, this explains (im assuming) why they seperated the WWE into Raw and Smackdown, and why the wrestlers don't look as jacked as they used to.

uhhh, i think today's wrestlers are way bigger than any previous generation. i don't see how that is even debatable, actually.

They are actually pretty safe if you know what you are doing and are prepared for the possibility of side effects.

One thing I hate is people that go on about how steroids are horrible yet they will go out and get drunk a couple times a week. Or are eating fast food almost everyday... Or even just sit at home and play video games instead of actually getting out and doing some physical activity..
I'm not saying this to you. I'm just saying there are lots of things that someone can do that are far worse for their body in the long run but nobody ever says anything about that.

if you can justify using them to yourself, then go hard, but in reference to a previous post of mine a few weeks back - body building is an addiction. there is no such thing as big enough. the bigger you get, the bigger you want to be and there will always be someone out there bigger and strong than you feeding your addiction. when you stop using them, you get smaller and weaker making you want to go for another cycle. and another, and another.

[RayBot]

uhhh, i think today's wrestlers are way bigger than any previous generation. i don't see how that is even debatable, actually.

I haven't watched wrestling for the last couple years...but yeah, there are some guys that are truly bigger than the one in the 80s.

For me, i guess...its also perception. Back in the 80s, pretty much they were all heavyweights or close to heavyweights. Now you've got a very big mixture of lightweights and high-flyers, mexicans, etc. with the heavyweights.

Sure its not a valid argument, just perception...but I guess back then, Big John Stud and Andre were considered BIG compared to the rest....but the rest were pretty big too. Bret Hart was considered a small guy at 235lbs.

What does the weight of a small guy for nowadays?

[RayBot]

Oh anyways....slightly off topic, but somewhat on topic

Heres another reason why I love the iron sheik.

This is a video of Marty Jannetty sharing road stories about the Iron Sheik and drug use on the road. I found it very amusing.....first time i watched it, I actually lost my breath laughing.


Watch Wrestler tells 2 hilarious Iron Sheik stories Video | Break.com@@AMEPARAM@@http://embed.break.com/341621@@AMEPARAM@@341621

[SkinnyPupp]

Wrestlers today aren't even as big as they were 3 years ago.

[penner2k]

uhhh, i think today's wrestlers are way bigger than any previous generation. i don't see how that is even debatable, actually.



if you can justify using them to yourself, then go hard, but in reference to a previous post of mine a few weeks back - body building is an addiction. there is no such thing as big enough. the bigger you get, the bigger you want to be and there will always be someone out there bigger and strong than you feeding your addiction. when you stop using them, you get smaller and weaker making you want to go for another cycle. and another, and another.

If you have an addictive personality then yes this is true... also its possible for the same thing to happen while staying natural..

[Meowjin]

the bigger you want to be and there will always be someone out there bigger and strong than you feeding your addiction. when you stop using them, you get smaller and weaker making you want to go for another cycle. and another, and another.

This is actually wrong.

[SkinnyPupp]

Please explain Maijin, I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Because from all indications, Sizzle knows what he's talking about. And we've all seen the steroid guys lose dozens of pounds as soon as they get off it.

Again using WWE as an example, go watch some pre-Benoit footage and compare it to post. Perfect example being their top "big roided up guy" at the time, Chris Masters. He probably went from 260 lbs to 220-230 in a matter of weeks. It was so extreme that they made a joke of him at the time, and fired him.

[penner2k]

Typically the people that gain and lose a ton of weight are doing high dosages of test which will bloat you up (but put on a ton of weight while you are at it)... The weight you are losing is mostly just water.

If you do something that maybe doesnt give you huge gains but very lean gains and you do proper pct you wont lose all that much if any weight after

[Meowjin]

Yep its why people don't like ethinates
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[Tegra_Devil]

Typically the people that gain and lose a ton of weight are doing high dosages of test which will bloat you up (but put on a ton of weight while you are at it)... The weight you are losing is mostly just water.

If you do something that maybe doesnt give you huge gains but very lean gains and you do proper pct you wont lose all that much if any weight after

QFT

[mikemhg]

what is your current weight ?
stats ?

I'm 165 right now. 5'9. I'm looking to shave some more BF % off, but it's friggin tough.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs490.ash1/26802_407367609466_510174466_5121993_1889070_n.jpg

[mikemhg]

hmmm...ive heard anavar and tbol are very similar...both are bitchtits and depression free. but both can be extremely toxic to your liver in high/abusive doses and raise your cholesterol.



have you run anavar with tbol or heard of people doing that?

i wonder how rough that would be on your liver taking those two orals. That being said, Im sure that fat would just pour off you with that combo.

i have also heard good things about stacking clen and anavar

Anavar and TBOL are similar, but Anavar has a more drying affect than TBOL. I would say you probably get better strength gains from TBOL, I was thinking about doing just TBOL next month actually, might just stack with Clen to see if I can shave off 2% BF.

[Meowjin]

^i think your bf is perfect. And good on you on posting pictures.

[Tegra_Devil]

Anavar and TBOL are similar, but Anavar has a more drying affect than TBOL. I would say you probably get better strength gains from TBOL, I was thinking about doing just TBOL next month actually, might just stack with Clen to see if I can shave off 2% BF.


id figure it would be relatively easy to drop 2% off that stack

[hal0g0dv2]

I'm 165 right now. 5'9. I'm looking to shave some more BF % off, but it's friggin tough.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs490.ash1/26802_407367609466_510174466_5121993_1889070_n.jpg

pretty solid build dude

[Alpine50]

I'm 165 right now. 5'9. I'm looking to shave some more BF % off, but it's friggin tough.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs490.ash1/26802_407367609466_510174466_5121993_1889070_n.jpg

wish I was like that right now, I'm 165 and don't think I'm close :( you on roids though?
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[RRxtar]

thats definitely a solid put together. you're an MMA or muay thai guy or something arent you? i thought i read that somewhere

[SizzleChest]

i'd love to hear from people 50 years or older who did use steroids, but did not become rich or famous to see if they felt it was worth it in the long run.

[Meowjin]

wish I was like that right now, I'm 165 and don't think I'm close :( you on roids though?
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way to not read the thread.

[Meowjin]

i'd love to hear from people 50 years or older who did use steroids, but did not become rich or famous to see if they felt it was worth it in the long run.

So you're saying that most rich or famous person has because successful due to steroid use?

If you are, I'm going to have to agree with you.

I'm 100% sure if arnold didn't do steroids he wouldnt be where he was today. Hell even brad pitt.

[SkinnyPupp]

i'd love to hear from people 50 years or older who did use steroids, but did not become rich or famous to see if they felt it was worth it in the long run.
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[Alpine50]

So you're saying that most rich or famous person has because successful due to steroid use?

If you are, I'm going to have to agree with you.

I'm 100% sure if arnold didn't do steroids he wouldnt be where he was today. Hell even brad pitt.

i agree with you on the arnold fact, but i dont agree every famous person/ athlete uses or has used steroids

[SizzleChest]

So you're saying that most rich or famous person has because successful due to steroid use?

If you are, I'm going to have to agree with you.

I'm 100% sure if arnold didn't do steroids he wouldnt be where he was today. Hell even brad pitt.

what i'm saying is, arnold, hogan, bonds and all the other big names associated with steroid use probably have no regrets in choosing to do so (even though they might say otherwise in front of the camera), but for the rest of the roiders that didn't make it on the rich and famous list, would they feel the same? is their health still holding strong? would they do it all over again if they could?

[mikemhg]

thats definitely a solid put together. you're an MMA or muay thai guy or something arent you? i thought i read that somewhere

I "have" used steriods, but I have not been on them for over a year, that picture was taken about 2 months ago. I've only done two cycles in my life actually. I train in Boxing on the side just for cardio, but not full-time like I used to back in the day.

So anyone else here thinking of stacking?

[hal0g0dv2]

I "have" used steriods, but I have not been on them for over a year, that picture was taken about 2 months ago. I've only done two cycles in my life actually. I train in Boxing on the side just for cardio, but not full-time like I used to back in the day.

So anyone else here thinking of stacking?

the thought comes across my mind lots, i have done really well tho, without them, i know if i go on them i will be able to go nuts in a good way, i talk to people at my gym once in a while about them, be surprised how many people are on them. its a thought on my mind always

[RRxtar]

the thought has crossed my mind but has never been anything beyond a distant thought.

i think the only (or at least biggest) reason i would ever consider them is to aid in recovery of an injury.

and to be honest, i dont know a damn thing about them

[Meowjin]

best feeling in the world. It effects the way you think. My confidence has gone up, and the way i generally feel and sleep, the way i lift, my sex drive and everything is great.

Honestly i can't be the only one stacking. I just don't think people want to admit it. I say it's like weed. Try it once and see how you feel.

[SkinnyPupp]

I "have" used steriods, but I have not been on them for over a year, that picture was taken about 2 months ago. I've only done two cycles in my life actually. I train in Boxing on the side just for cardio, but not full-time like I used to back in the day.

So anyone else here thinking of stacking?

Got pics of when you were doing steroids?
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[Fobman]

no need for steroids
you can get the body you want naturally just takes time

[mikemhg]

Got pics of when you were doing steroids?
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I do, but weirdly enough I think I'm bigger and more lean now than when I was on.

[Tegra_Devil]

random bump to see how everyones cycles are going

[hal0g0dv2]

yeah lets see some jacked roid pics

[yellowpower]

Can steroids decrease sex drive??

[mikemhg]

Starting a second cycle of T-BOL tomorrow :)

[RRxtar]

start a log and keep us updated.

[Tegra_Devil]

any updates people?

[jeffh]

dude at my work started the roids a month into bering a gym guy

in 4 months hes made all the gains ive made in 22

i could kill him sometimes

[gdoh]

fuck roids man i would rather shed blood sweat and tears in the gym/train with hard work it feels so much sweeter when you bust your ass and see the results

[hal0g0dv2]

Yeah roids are a cheap way out , my friends who are on them actually spend so much time out of the gym focusing on there cycle , there is way more to roids the. Ppl see and I see that alot more now and understand ppl on roids more.
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[m4k4v4li]

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[SupMKIV]

Test and Anavar cycle for mass and strength is what I will probably be doing. Just want to gain a good 15-20 pounds of lean muscle. Plus it doesn't hurt that I get it for free ;)

[hal0g0dv2]

Test and Anavar cycle for mass and strength is what I will probably be doing. Just want to gain a good 15-20 pounds of lean muscle. Plus it doesn't hurt that I get it for free ;)
Have a good pct ready
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[jeffh]

so the "roid guy" at me an rrxtars gym was in today, we havent seen him in about a month now


he's lost 35-40 lbs easily, and went from the hugest guy ever to my size, with a gut

almost wanted to ask him if he got aids or something, because damn did he look like hell. i guess thats what happens when you get off the cycle and dont know how to train otherwise

[SkinnyPupp]

Poor guy is probably suffering from depression too, unless he has an unusually strong mind

[jeffh]

^ yeah, kinda feel bad, hes a nice enough guy. just took the easy route and he is paying for it now

[hal0g0dv2]

i am sure he did not know what he was doing after his cycle ended, that is shitty cause if u are prepped you can keep all your gains in continue going stronger

[jeffh]

well, hes been the roid guy for quite a while now, the 2 years ive been there hes been a monster the whole time
youd figure with being on gear for that amount of time youd know what was up

[sas]

There seems to be a misunderstanding that, 'roids' are for only for people that want to take the easy route..

Some of the guys I train with that are on, 'roids', train harder than most guys I've encountered in commercial gyms. They've got potential drafts, and big opportunities after university. Sames goes for most of PL, Strongmen friends. It's the nature of the beast, hard to compete at the top naturally w/o any kind of gear.

What I'm curious about, why do guys who are not athletes, your regular type of joes take gear in the first place and abuse them without research? What's the motivation? Let's face it - we all train weights for some sort of vanity reason but is it worth that risk?

[hal0g0dv2]

There is actually little to no side effects with taking roids , it's these retards who abuse them and take 500 cc every 3 days , if u talk to someone who has been in the game and knows there shit u r fine, there are so many retards who do not do a proper pct and loose everything of course u will, most of the time the pct is more then a cycle alone and who wants to fork out for something after your cycle is done , I have researched tons and tons on gear and ppl think I am on gear 24/7 lol cause I am always gaining and looking good. I have nothing bad to say about roids I just hate seeing ppl abuse them and fuck there body over , tons of dudes at my gym have gyno aka bitch tits u know how gross that looks .
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[SupMKIV]

There is actually little to no side effects with taking roids , it's these retards who abuse them and take 500 cc every 3 days , if u talk to someone who has been in the game and knows there shit u r fine, there are so many retards who do not do a proper pct and loose everything of course u will, most of the time the pct is more then a cycle alone and who wants to fork out for something after your cycle is done , I have researched tons and tons on gear and ppl think I am on gear 24/7 lol cause I am always gaining and looking good. I have nothing bad to say about roids I just hate seeing ppl abuse them and fuck there body over , tons of dudes at my gym have gyno aka bitch tits u know how gross that looks .
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Gyno is just horrible looking. If they had done a proper PCT it wouldn't have happened in most cases. You seem to actually know what you are talking about :). Which is hard to find nowadays with a whole bunch of idiots using it and abusing it than losing the gains shortly thereafter.

[hal0g0dv2]

Gyno is just horrible looking. If they had done a proper PCT it wouldn't have happened in most cases. You seem to actually know what you are talking about :). Which is hard to find nowadays with a whole bunch of idiots using it and abusing it than losing the gains shortly thereafter.

yeah dude it is brutal, there was some kids talking about doing a 3 month cycle of dbol lol, your gonna die kid but its cool

[SupMKIV]

yeah dude it is brutal, there was some kids talking about doing a 3 month cycle of dbol lol, your gonna die kid but its cool

haha wow that is just stupid, I know a couple kids that did cycles without ever being in the gym, well it's safe to say they now look like crap. I'm just going to wait a bit before I do my cycle though. Still trying to get to 185 at 8-10% bf. Currently at like 170 at 5'8 :s. Not going to cycle for that though.

[hal0g0dv2]

As Dave Tate said " roids " are your ace card
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[Tegra_Devil]

haha wow that is just stupid, I know a couple kids that did cycles without ever being in the gym, well it's safe to say they now look like crap. I'm just going to wait a bit before I do my cycle though. Still trying to get to 185 at 8-10% bf. Currently at like 170 at 5'8 :s. Not going to cycle for that though.

clen......


that being said, your correct....people shouldnt try to lose weight on roids...that can easily be done with proper diet in no time

[SupMKIV]

What do you mean by clen?

A good weight loss diet is keto or EC or both at the same time :D

[Tegra_Devil]

What do you mean by clen?

A good weight loss diet is keto or EC or both at the same time :D

clenbutural is often used to cut massive fat

[SupMKIV]

clenbutural is often used to cut massive fat

Yes, I knew that but what does it have to do with my post? lol I'm confused sorry brah.

[mikemhg]

I went on a TBOL only cycle last month. Pretty decent results, need to lean out a bit more though for summer.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/252158_10150249138754467_510174466_8725305_2828875 _n.jpg

[BrRsn]

I'm jelly ^ ... no homo but, I'm 'mirin them traps.

[superSandhu]

I went on a TBOL only cycle last month. Pretty decent results, need to lean out a bit more though for summer.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/252158_10150249138754467_510174466_8725305_2828875 _n.jpg

just saw this but your left leg looks tiny compared to your right leg LOL

i know its just the angle though :fullofwin:

[SupMKIV]

Do you not workout your legs? Well proportioned legs with a well proportioned upper body look awesome. But you have a good upper body just gotta hit the legs brah...

[mikemhg]

Hahaha I've heard that a long time. I work the legs hard, but it's genetics, I doubt I'll ever be able to get massive legs. My calves will always lag.

[mikemhg]

It's the angle I think. http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254313_10150249858824467_510174466_8732779_4006413 _n.jpg

[hal0g0dv2]

upper body not bad , legs need some serious work
r u gonna cycle again if u dont mind me asking and what ?

[RRxtar]

did you pct? how long was your cycle and at how many mg? 50?

[mikemhg]

T's don't aromatise, so no PCT. I may jump on some Clomid to be safe.

I plan to cycle again, probably mid July. May try Sust, or do T's again.

[ws6ta]

T's don't aromatise, so no PCT. I may jump on some Clomid to be safe.

I plan to cycle again, probably mid July. May try Sust, or do T's again.

how many mg of tbol did you do? i'd say go test enth or cyp instead of doing sust.

[hal0g0dv2]

might as well do tren
jk jk, good to hear u r safe about cycle

[mikemhg]

I did 40 mg of TBOL for a week, tappered down to 20 MG a day. Right now just going @ 10MG every other day.

Fuck, I wish I wasn't such a bitch about needles. My gf refuses to poke me too :/

[hal0g0dv2]

I did 40 mg of TBOL for a week, tappered down to 20 MG a day. Right now just going @ 10MG every other day.

Fuck, I wish I wasn't such a bitch about needles. My gf refuses to poke me too :/

, u look like u have low body fat so going into quad u will feel nothing, my friend is a pussy and he kicked him self for thinking that it would hurt.....
people get freaked that there is air also in the tip of pin , that is more or less a myth kinda , once u r in the muscle its green light
all this roid talk getting me pumped to try lol

[jeffh]

full beastmode?

we had the needle thing all figured out, till someone told his booty call to fuck off...

*cough* rrxtar *cough*

ive been reading about it more lately, curious and all

[hal0g0dv2]

full beastmode?

we had the needle thing all figured out, till someone told his booty call to fuck off...

*cough* rrxtar *cough*

ive been reading about it more lately, curious and all

figured out?

[RRxtar]

I was bangin a paramedic who was thrilled to be my poker. Then it went downhill. Jeff and I were joking that we were going to use her for the injections if we did a cycle. haha

[SupMKIV]

Oh atleast you do legs lol unlike some people. What is your leg routine like? mine have grown much bigger off the 5x5 program that I just did. Still need them a bit bigger and would be good, same problem here with calves though just doing them till failure like 5-6 sets is making them grow a bit...

[hal0g0dv2]

calves i do like traps sometimes every day high volume and squeeze

[mikemhg]

Leg days usually consist of Squats, Legs Curls, Hamstring Curls, V-Machine Squat (Hack), Straight Leg Deadlift, Leg Press. I don't do lunges since it kills my knees (I did track and field a lot in High School). Calves are just Donky Extensions (Arnolds), and regular calf raises.

[fetched]

what do you guys think about anavar

[hal0g0dv2]

what do you guys think about anavar

almost as good as creatine

[mikemhg]

almost as good as creatine

Hahaahaha, what? Anavar is FAR better than Creatine. I don't even think you can compare.

Creatine = Water weight, does nothing in terms of strength gains
Anavar = Dry lean mass, strength gains, vascularity increased

Anavar is an excellent alternative. I know a lot of people on it, I've used it myself in the past to great results.

If you are curious about it, I would definitely give it a try. Anavar also does not aromatise so no need to PCT.

[b92]

anyone can help explain to me what I need to take in order to gain weight? i've always had a hard time gaining a single pound no matter how much i eat. its been 6 years since i've gained anything...really desperate but do not want to take any steroids since that went bad. thanks, pm me if you could. =D

[jeffh]

eat more
eat more good protein (yourweight)x1.5 is a good starting point
go to gym lift weights (theres a hundred plans in the workout thread if you search)

report back in 6 months, if it doesnt work, you arent doing it right

[Tegra_Devil]

updates?