[scottsman]

Surprised that no one has commented about this. How is the Canadian Government allowing this to take place? It was bad enough that the last ship carrying people was allowed to dock but now the 70 or so people on board are living in Toronto.

I am glad that I no longer pay taxes to the government for this kind of BS.

VICTORIA — After a long ocean journey, a ship believed to be carrying as many as 500 Tamil refugees is expected to reach the coast of British Columbia as early as Thursday evening.

The suspected Tamil migrant ship was inside Canada's 200-mile exclusive economic zone and heading for the B.C. coast, a senior federal official confirmed Wednesday.

"We expect it will land either late (Thursday) evening or early Friday morning," he said of the 188-foot Thai-flagged vessel called the MV Sun Sea.

The ship is thought to be engaged in "human smuggling and human trafficking, which is obviously a very dangerous thing," the federal official said, adding Canada has unconfirmed reports that one of the passengers has died.

The vessel was met by a Canadian navy ship from B.C.'s Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt when it reached Canadian territorial waters. It is unclear when exactly that happened.

The government fears other migrant ships may be on the way. It appears "we are becoming a target of human smugglers and human traffickers," the federal official said.

"We are looking to send a message to these people who are usually (part of) criminal organizations, in some cases with possible terrorist connections in the case of the Tamil Tigers . . . that we are not going to allow our laws to be broken."

He declined to provide details of what the federal government plans as the ship closes in on the Canadian shoreline.

U.S. Coast Guard Cmdr. Mark McCadden said that U.S. authorities were aware of reports of an 188-foot cargo ship bearing that name.

"The reports have it that the vessel is heading toward Canada, so this is a Canadian operation," McCadden said. "And as always, the coast guard stands ready to support the Canadians if requested."

McCadden said Wednesday that no requests for U.S. assistance in the matter had yet been made.

"We haven't made contact with the vessel but we are certainly aware of it," McCadden said. "And given the fact of what its alleged destination is, Canada is pursuing this one."

Staff members at the Victoria General Hospital were busy on Wednesday preparing to treat the migrants.

Some of the 500 migrants, including women and children, may have serious health problems after the three-month voyage, health officials said.

Staff safety will be a top priority when treating the illegal migrants, Norma Jones, emergency management corporate director with the Vancouver Island Health Authority, said in an e-mail to staff.

"This will include all required personal protective equipment as well as armed security services provided by corrections and/or border services officials," she said.

The coast guard has been tracking the ship's progress up the West Coast since July.

The ship will likely be boarded by the Canadian Border Services Agency, and then directed to Victoria harbour. When the cargo ship makes landfall, it's expected the passengers will be processed by Citizenship and Immigration Canada officials before being taken to two Vancouver-area jails to be housed.

The ship is the second in less than a year to arrive with Tamil refugees aboard. Last October, a smaller cargo ship, the Ocean Lady, was intercepted by HMCS Regina and taken to Victoria, where 76 Tamils disembarked.

Many speculated that some of the men aboard the Ocean Lady were members of the Tamil Tigers, the paramilitary arm of the Tamil independence movement. They were believed to have been fleeing Sri Lanka following the end of the island country's 25-year civil war between the Tigers, who claimed to represent the ethnic minority Tamils, and the Sri Lankan government.

So far, none of the 76 refugees have been linked to the Tamil Tigers, whose members are banned from entering Canada because it is considered a terrorist organization.

The migrants have since been released, pending the refugee claim process, and most are living in Toronto.

— Vancouver Sun, Victoria Times Colonist and Postmedia News
http://www.canada.com/news/national/Tamil+refugee+ship+Canadian+waters/3386356/story.html

[johny]

if this boat is allowed to land there is going to be 50 more leaving the next day for here.

this boat should not have been alowed to enter canadian waters. a navy ship should have forced it to turn around and head back.

[7seven]

Tamil migrant ship captained by Sri Lankan Sea Tiger leader: Terrorism expert

The man captaining a vessel carrying over 200 Tamil refugees and headed towards B.C. was the deputy to the captain of an earlier ship that arrived in Canada, an Asian-based terror expert says.

Prof. Rohan Gunaratna, an international terrorism expert and head of Singapore's International Centre for Political Violence and Terrorism Research, said the MV Sun Sea — earlier known as Harin Panich 19 — is captained by a Sri Lankan Sea Tiger leader and manned by a 24-member crew.

Gunaratna told the Sri Lanka Sunday Observer that 'Captain Vinod,' who heads the MV Sun Sea, is deputy to the captain who steered the Ocean Lady to Canada last October.

Last Oct. 16, the Ocean Lady — also known as the Easwary — arrived on the B.C. coast. All 76 people aboard claimed refugee status.

Thailand Navy sea patrols spotted MV Sun Sea, a vessel previously used for gun running, near the Exclusive Economic Zone of the country in April.

When the sailors tried to intercept the unidentified vessel, 'Captain Vinod' threatened that several illegal immigrants would throw themselves overboard if anyone tried to board his ship, Gunaratna said.

"Yes, there are a few dozen LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) leaders, members and helpers on board MV Sun Sea. For instance, the captain of the ship, Vinod, was earlier engaged in smuggling several thousand tons of arms, ammunition and explosives from North Korea to Sri Lanka," he said in an interview with the Sri Lanka Sunday Observer.

Gunaratna said an LTTE cell in the west organized both MV Ocean Lady and MV Sun Sea.

He said the LTTE cell is led by Shanmugasundaram Kanthaskaran (known as Karan, or Aruna in the UK) and Ravi Shankar Kanagarajah (also known as Sangili) in Canada. They are both members of the LTTE and served on the procurement and shipping branch of the LTTE.

Gunaratna said Sangili, who is now living in Canada, was captain of the LTTE merchant tanker Showa Maru.


http://www.theprovince.com/news/Tamil+migrant+ship+captained+Lankan+Tiger+leader+T errorism+expert/3387379/story.html

IMO, the Navy and CBSA really needs to intercept the ship and make it turn around, with force if necessary.

[Gumby]

I'm gonna be surprised if we actually turn them away.

[taylor192]

Canadian policy will not allow us to turn them away. They will be brought here, jailed, then allowed to apply for refugee status.

:( :bullshit:

[gdoh]

canadas laws and how we regulate things are a fuckin joke

[7seven]

Canadian policy will not allow us to turn them away. They will be brought here, jailed, then allowed to apply for refugee status.

:( :bullshit:

Yup and are also setting up a floor in the Victoria hospital for them too, tying up medical staff and resources that could be better used on local Island residents. They claim it won't affect healthcare services for local residents but I call BS.

When you're diverting/calling in doctors, nurses and other medical staff to treat these Tamils (some of which are terrorists) how can that not possibly negatively affect our already strained and overworked healthcare system.

[gdoh]

how the fuck can they say it wont tie up medical staff?? i say fuck em they let them die or go back, how do they get into a hospital while other vancouver citizens who pay taxes and medical and all that sit on the sidelines makes no sense...it seems that these kind of people,along with the homeless have more rights than the working class, or they just know how to exploit the flaws so well... canada needs to untuck thier junk and tell them to gtfo

/end rant

[Vansterdam]

once they land probably another 30 ships gonna set out tommorow lol

[jackmeister]

And my parents had to put up a lot of money to legally immigrate to Canada?

[Great68]

Yup and are also setting up a floor in the Victoria hospital for them too, tying up medical staff and resources that could be better used on local Island residents. They claim it won't affect healthcare services for local residents but I call BS.

When you're diverting/calling in doctors, nurses and other medical staff to treat these Tamils (some of which are terrorists) how can that not possibly negatively affect our already strained and overworked healthcare system.

The already long waiting list for medical services just got a bit longer.

Why are my fucking tax dollars paying for this???

[gdoh]

Why are my fucking tax dollars paying for this???

dont worry you'll soon forget about this until the next time we get shafted :thumbsup:

[Phil@rise]

We can't turn them away we're bleeding hearts Canadians and there is dead and dying people on board. (typed with a hint of sarcasm)

Really tho being the bleeding hearts we are I guess we could let them land but not leave the boat, tend to there immediate medical needs and shove em off back to sea.

[chromechevy]

They need to step up and set some examples unless they want vessels to land at the docks every month. Turn that ship around, no docking at all. I bet the U.S would send 5-10 boats holding enough ammunition to blow apart anything...and send the ship back...

[m!chael]

You guys don't understand how this works.
If Canada boards the ship to turn it around and something happens, the entire world would be up our ass and then we would HAVE to accept all the other ships that will be coming.

[gdoh]

let them dock, attend to needy, resupply/fix ship and then go back were you came from then send bill to appropriate country

[threezero]

let them dock, attend to needy, resupply/fix ship and then go back were you came from then send bill to appropriate country

And Tamil will definitely pay the bills
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[Phil@rise]

And Tamil will definitely pay the bills
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Its not about paying the bill its the point thats being made and if they dont settle the bill then refuse assistance and aide if ever needed

[Manic!]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Tamil+migrant+ship+captained+Lankan+Tiger+leader+T errorism+expert/3387379/story.html

IMO, the Navy and CBSA really needs to intercept the ship and make it turn around, with force if necessary.

What if the ship is in no condition to make it back?

[Manic!]

I think I'm going to run out of fails on this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Komagata_Maru

[Supafly]

What if the ship is in no condition to make it back?

then sink the fucker..along with everyone onboard it...

[skyxx]

Hence why a lot of people are asking the government to "review" its policies.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I say we send some sumbmarine and blow it.

[asahai69]

if i was ever sick and dying in the middle of the street. i hope to god none of you are around.

[Ch28]

if i was ever sick and dying in the middle of the street. i hope to god none of you are around.

You're here legally and you pay taxes just like the rest of us.

People on the ship are here illegally and they don't pay our taxes yet they feel that it's ok to use our medical resources that could be used for actual citizens? Fuck that.

[asahai69]

You're here legally and you pay taxes just like the rest of us.

People on the ship are here illegally and they don't pay our taxes yet they feel that it's ok to use our medical resources that could be used for actual citizens? Fuck that.

id rather have our tax money help people that actually need it rather than wasted on sumthing stupid like ferries that dont work or bike lanes that are good 4-5 months out of the year

[Ch28]

id rather have our tax money help people that actually need it rather than wasted on sumthing stupid like ferries that dont work or bike lanes that are good 4-5 months out of the year
People on the ship are here illegally

What part of that do you not understand?

Why should they receive any treatment at all when normal people have to abide by the rules of the immigration system?

If Canada had a spine then they should have forced the ship to turn back and using force if necessary.

[Hondaracer]

Australia turns them away but we welcome them with healthcare and welfare..
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[asahai69]

What part of that do you not understand?

Why should they receive any treatment at all when normal people have to abide by the rules of the immigration system?

If Canada had a spine then they should have forced the ship to turn back and using force if necessary.

ppl are dying on the bloody thing and apparently there are 20 or so children on the ship. im no expert but im pretty damn sure the conditions on that ship are horrendous. im saying treat them. then send them back.

welcome to canada buddy. if you arent down with the system then vote to change it. whining and crying on an internet forum isnt going to change anything. im pretty sure that they will apply for refugee status and some will get in. but thats just how it goes and i really dont have too big of an issue with it.

plus...http://giantenemyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/helenlovejoy_t6301.jpg

[asahai69]

Australia turns them away but we welcome them with healthcare and welfare..
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yeah. and in Australia if you aren't white you get shit on. one hell of a country right?

[falcon]

What if the ship is in no condition to make it back?

Then charter a few 747's and send them on their way.

[scottsman]

Manic! from the articles you quoted it seems like you are in favor random boats of people turning up to Canada illegally. This really just hurts the system for people from around the world who legally try to come here.

Rather than quote some obscure news articles from over 80 years ago why not offer an opinion or something more relevant. Things have changed a lot from when those articles took place.

[Hondaracer]

yeah. and in Australia if you aren't white you get shit on. one hell of a country right?

sounds like a pretty swell place

[Manic!]

Manic! from the articles you quoted it seems like you are in favor random boats of people turning up to Canada illegally. This really just hurts the system for people from around the world who legally try to come here.

Rather than quote some obscure news articles from over 80 years ago why not offer an opinion or something more relevant. Things have changed a lot from when those articles took place.

Those stores are not obscure to me. Our Country was built on illegal immigration.

This is my Canada.

http://jameskeller.ca/cp_refugees.html

Story from a person who arrived by boat illegally in 87. I bet he pays more taxes than you do.

http://web.mac.com/hawkroad/Site_9/Hide_%26_Sikh.html

[asahai69]

Estimates on the number of illegal immigrants in Canada generally range from 35,000 to 120,000 -- a relatively small percentage of the national population when compared to 13 million in the United States.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=f86690ed-a2ed-447c-8be8-21ba5a3dd922

so if there are around that many illegal immigrants already in this country. why are you people soo worried about a couple hundred comming off a boat now. if everyone was so choked about illegal immigrants why dont you all get together and try passing laws like they are doing in Arizona?

believe me. 99% of people that are angry right now will forget in 1 month and it will be back to normal for all of you. if you guys eventually remember this story down the road just think of what these people had to go through just to get to this country and maybe think about the lives it might change.

when daniel igali won the gold medal i didnt hear anyone complaining that he wasnt a canadian even though he pretty much did the same thing these people are doing. but in his situation. he flew over and didnt go through months and months of traveling on a busted ass boat

[fa1civic]

i seriously hope they dont bring their fucking diseases to us and cause a bigger epidemic! That would suck balls :(

[Manic!]

xchange;7065962']i seriously hope they dont bring their fucking diseases to us and cause a bigger epidemic! That would suck balls :(

You mean like the white people did? and I'm pretty sure they are quarantined and check out by doctors when they get there.

[Manic!]

http://www.olympic.ca/media/files/photos/2000-Wrestling-DanielIgali_jpg_427x1200_upscale_q85.jpg

[BaoXu]

the vietnamese first came here by boat as refugees. look how their community has thrived and how they give back to our community

[Great68]

the vietnamese first came here by boat as refugees. look how their community has thrived and how they give back to our community

Come on now, who doesn't like a good bowl of Pho? :D

Anyways, back on topic. I don't have anything against the refugees, I'd just rather see this kind of effort from our authorities dealing with our own problems (Our own homelessness, poor, sick etc.) than with some other country's problems.

[BaoXu]

Come on now, who doesn't like a good bowl of Pho? :D

The Tamils, they don't eat beef.

[Manic!]

The Tamils, they don't eat beef.

I think they do eat beef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Sri_Lanka

[scottsman]

I bet he pays more taxes than you do.

I don't pay any taxes as I am no longer classified as a resident in Canada but what does the amount of taxes someone pay have to do with it. Because he makes more money than me he is more Canadian? I certainly don't consider him less Canadian than me because I was born here.

I haven't completely read every article you have posted but were the people coming here illegally on the terror watch list of Canada? The Tamil Tigers are considered a terrorist organization by our government. I like to pride myself on being Canadian but alarm bells should go off when no other country is willing to accept this boat.

I don't have anything against the refugees, I'd just rather see this kind of effort from our authorities dealing with our own problems (Our own homelessness, poor, sick etc.) than with some other country's problems.

Exactly, why not fix up the DTES. From another post in VOT it is easily recognized as one of the worst areas in North America for a variety of reasons.

[falcon]

I've got nothing wrong with immigration, if it's done LEGALLY. There are long long lists of people waiting to get into Canada the right way yet these goofballs think loading up on a ship and landing on our shore makes it OK.

BULL shit.

My grandparents (both sides) came from Germany after the war. Did they sneak in under false identitys and by border hopping? NO. They came over, applied for the correct documents and after proving productive in society, after a certain amount of time they were allowed to apply for citizenship. And here I am today.

Maniac, it has NOTHING to do with "how much taxes" you pay. I could care less if someone pays $500,000 in taxes, they are here against the law and should be dealt with accordingly. It has everything to do with following due process. Leave it to bleeding heart, hippy liberals.

That's how it works guys... take it or leave it. I'm sure you would love to go back to the place you fled.. eh?

[Manic!]

Exactly, why not fix up the DTES. From another post in VOT it is easily recognized as one of the worst areas in North America for a variety of reasons.

A billion plus has already been spent on the DTES.

[Manic!]

That's how it works guys... take it or leave it. I'm sure you would love to go back to the place you fled.. eh?

I fled Nanaimo to visit my sister in Cloverdale for a few days. I will be going back to the place I fled tomorrow.

[J____]

haha i was filming right next to the female jail in maple ridge today that is going to house these refugees.

[Strzelec]

This is gonna sound insensitive, and it is.
Dont let them in. We should have told them to turn around as soon as they left. What gave them the idea that they can just sail up to Canada's doorstep, and be let in? If that happened 100 miles south, i'm sure they would be turned around instantly. Apparently they are also setting up tents and porta potties and all that shit for them. Is it just me, or is it fucked up to do things like this, for people that are trying to get into our country illegally, and completely neglecting all the people that need help which are actual Canadian residents?

Those are some slightly fucked up priorities. Sure its the more empathic and kind thing to do, to just let them into the country, no questions asked, but legislation and laws are in place for a reason. You want in? Come in legally.

my .02

[twitchyzero]

wait
why are people surprised. It's Canada...we are probably the only Western country that take in shit loads of refugees a year.

[achiam]

I think Manic! is missing the point of most people on here. Providing sanctuary for those truly in danger (e.g. the woman in Iran sentence to stoning) is pretty justified to anyone. But when you have hordes of people successfully entering another country, it opens a hell hole to their friends back home. This is what happened in Europe with all the North African and Middle Eastern (and now even Mainland Chinese) overground refugees who head for the UK -- up until late last year there was a HUGE illegal refugee slum camp at Calais, France where they would wait for chances to slip onto the Chunnel cargo trains headed for England!

Added to the fact that we have a huge DTES problem that we can't even fix!

[sp00n_oo7]

They are here!!

http://www.news1130.com/news/national/article/88450--canadian-navy-intercepts-tamil-migrant-ship-toews

[ImportPsycho]

treat them and send them back
I'll puke if they are allowed to stay
this kind of shit only creates more hate crimes
rednecks already think all none whites are refugees

[achiam]

'ATTA BOY!

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews labelled some of the 490 passengers on the ship "human smugglers and terrorists," although he didn’t elaborate. He used the ship's arrival to promise swift action from Ottawa.
"Human smuggling, illegal migration or any other abuses of Canada’s immigration system can not and will not be tolerated," he said in a statement issued early Friday.
Toews called the arrival an "unacceptable abuse of international law and Canadian generosity," adding Canadian officials "will look at all available options to strengthen our laws" to address the matter.
He earlier said "human smugglers and human traffickers are now watching Canada's response to judge whether or not they can continue to take advantage of us."

[Porschedog]

blow them up along with their ship

[BaoXu]

I think they do eat beef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Sri_Lanka

No they don't. Tamil's don't eat beef. Period.

Aren't you Indian? I suspected you would know this.

[asahai69]

No they don't. Tamil's don't eat beef. Period.

Aren't you Indian? I suspected you would know this.

if the tamil person is hindu. then he would not eat beef. but im sure if theyre christian or sumthing then it would be a different story

[scottsman]

A billion plus has already been spent on the DTES.

What's your point? Does it mean we should spend thousands of dollars for people entering the country illegally, some of whom are terrorists?

Manic!, regarding your other links, maybe you can also take the time to research what the rest of the people aboard the ships have been doing. In the example you have given it is great to see someone come from another country where he/she was being persecuted for their beliefs become a success. What happened to everyone else?

Common sense would lead me to believe that the percentage of people coming to Canada legally would engage in far less criminal activity than people who come illegally.

[Ch28]

'ATTA BOY!

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews labelled some of the 490 passengers on the ship "human smugglers and terrorists," although he didn’t elaborate. He used the ship's arrival to promise swift action from Ottawa.

"Human smuggling, illegal migration or any other abuses of Canada’s immigration system can not and will not be tolerated," he said in a statement issued early Friday.

Toews called the arrival an "unacceptable abuse of international law and Canadian generosity," adding Canadian officials "will look at all available options to strengthen our laws" to address the matter.

He earlier said "human smugglers and human traffickers are now watching Canada's response to judge whether or not they can continue to take advantage of us."

About fucking time our country grew a spine.

[fliptuner]

http://thedevilsdoor.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/gtfo1.gif

[Mizter]

Let's say I break into your house:



A woman wrote the best 'Letter to the Editor' in ages!! She cuts to the quick and explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV. Her letter said:



Recently, large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that parliament is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that Canada might actually want to protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, make it harder (as an illegal immigrant) to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Then, when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, 'I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and done the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work) because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking-in part. If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my illegal right to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know. And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me! English is too hard for me to learn. You should also allow me to vote - in my own language, since I live in your house! Why can't people see how ridiculous this is? Only in Canada!

Something my friend posted on FB about the issue.

[ajax]

Something my friend posted on FB about the issue.

What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

[vafanculo]

What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

Problem is you don't know who is here to work, and who is here to be a disgrace to society. To enter Canada you should do so legally. Go through the sponsorship program, wait your 1-2 years paper processing time, and then you are welcome to contribute to society.

If you just jump on a boat and hope to sneak in when the coast guard isn't watching, then you are trespassing. Gtfo
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

does the government ever follow up on illegal immigrants and see how they're doing? if they're just a waste of space or if they're actually contributing?

I mean, if even 30% of them become good standing citizens and pay their taxes and all that shit, it's worth it since canada is under populated.

OR
we could just continue to let "wealthy investors" keep immigrating to canada, and the gap between the poor and rich continues to grow. If that continues, vancouver and probably some other cities are going to end up like any other major city, lol, the disparity between the rich and "average" (poor), will be so huge, that they practically live in different worlds. they won't share one common space, or anything at all. all that will matter is $, if you aint a millionaire, you're just a no body, it's already starting to be like that. Fuck you go to a city like shanghai, or NYC, you'll see what I'm talking about. cuz we all know people that are actually fuckin 3rd world poor will never immigrate legally into canada. what are they gonna do? sell their liver, first born child and a night with their wife for half a plane ticket?

lol, so whatever, you can't sink a boat or tell ppl to turn around if it means their demise.

so... back to the original question, does the government actually follow up on illegal immigrants? or do they just let em free after being processed?

anyways the situation is far more complex than just "let them in" or "turn them away".

The militaristic side of me says every able bodied male 18 to whatever the upper limit is, should have to serve 2 years if they enter this way. that way at least they get training, learn about canada, it's history, and all that jazz, and feel like they're apart of a whole. It should instill pride and patriotism, and gives them an identity, not just "alien refugee".

or some sorta reform program, maybe not the military. the americans do this with their landed immigrants, offer them the chance to speed up their citizenship if they serve, and it works, tons of immigrants and minorities join.

it should be an option anyways. of course after a hardcore background check if that's even possible.

that's my 2cents.

cuz honestly, there's no way we're going to blow them up or turn them around if it means putting them in danger. You KNOW it wont happen. It's Canada, not China lol.

[dinamix]

keep them here. we need more people in canada.
Give them one chance. if the break the law , send them back.No questions asked.
surrey is a good place for them

memba this?

http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/vietnamese

[scottsman]

we could just continue to let "wealthy investors" keep immigrating to canada, and the gap between the poor and rich continues to grow. If that continues, vancouver and probably some other cities are going to end up like any other major city, lol, the disparity between the rich and "average" (poor), will be so huge, that they practically live in different worlds. they won't share one common space, or anything at all. all that will matter is $, if you aint a millionaire, you're just a no body, it's already starting to be like that. Fuck you go to a city like shanghai, or NYC, you'll see what I'm talking about. cuz we all know people that are actually fuckin 3rd world poor will never immigrate legally into canada. what are they gonna do? sell their liver, first born child and a night with their wife for half a plane ticket?

What makes people think that everyone on that ship is poor? The last Tamil boat to come to Canada had people paying 40,000usd.

http://www.canada.com/health/Wait+hear+tales+Tamils+recent+refugee+urges/3391797/story.html

And so, he says, he paid $40,000 to a smuggler to get him out of the country.

I doubt it is even that easy to find a way on to these boats. Obviously the people on the boats must have some connection to the smugglers in some way.

[scottsman]

What if a boat load of Taliban showed up on our door step. I really don't see how another banned terrorist group are any different.

[TRDood]

Our healthcare system is treating them like trophies, while tax paying citizens have to wait a long time to get basic treatment.

I know 500 people is not a lot, but what about 10ships x 500ppl = 5,000 people?

Not to mention, the $50k per head ticket is most likely funded by drugs/illegal activities, we are importing crime into Canada...

[Great68]

Our healthcare system is treating them like trophies, while tax paying citizens have to wait a long time to get basic treatment.



The recommissioned a whole old emergency ward at Victoria General for these people...

Now if you were a citizen on a waiting list for much needed medical services, wouldn't you feel just a little bit gypped?

[underscore]

As soon as a ship enters our waters, if it's not legally allowed to enter, it should be turned around and sent back out immediately. If they've paid a smuggler $40k to get over here, then they can afford to immigrate legally...

There's also no telling who among these people are smugglers/terrorists themselves. If they're allowed to stay and set up camp here then chances are this problem will just get worse, with more and more boats coming.

[tiger_handheld]

As a person who was born in sri lanka, and immigrated here legally, I think all we as canadians owe the people on the boat is some food and a medical check up before we send them back.

The country would not be what it is today without immigrants, but let it be the ones who come here legally. If Canada allows these people to stay, will that not negate the entire immigration process that other have to follow?

[Mizter]

What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

Maybe I should re-word this for you because you clearly didn't catch the message. The message is saying that there is a difference LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY immigrating to Canada. So if I illegally immigrated to Canada and worked my ass off does it make it right for me to have illegally immigrated to Canada while others do it the proper way by filling out the proper paper work rather than showing up on our doorstep in a boat? No.

[Great68]

As a person who was born in sri lanka, and immigrated here legally, I think all we as canadians owe the people on the boat is some food and a medical check up before we send them back.


You might want to rethink your choice of words. We as Canadians OWE them NOTHING, but to show that we are compassionate, food and medical services would be a nice gift.

[ajax]

Its not as easy as filling out a few pieces of paper and bam a year later you're on a plane headed to canada. I personally don't have a problem with people who come here and work hard for their living knowing that they've been given a chance to better their life. That chance being legally or illegally doesn't really matter to me. Now if they come here and fuck it up then send them right back to where they came from. They only get one chance.

Maybe I should re-word this for you because you clearly didn't catch the message. The message is saying that there is a difference LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY immigrating to Canada. So if I illegally immigrated to Canada and worked my ass off does it make it right for me to have illegally immigrated to Canada while others do it the proper way by filling out the proper paper work rather than showing up on our doorstep in a boat? No.
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[tiger_handheld]

You might want to rethink your choice of words. We as Canadians OWE them NOTHING, but to show that we are compassionate, food and medical services would be a nice gift.

thats what i meant. compassion. I do not agree that we need to setup a separate medical facility to treat them, when tax payers are waiting months to get treatment.

[ImportPsycho]

As a person who was born in sri lanka, and immigrated here legally, I think all we as canadians owe the people on the boat is some food and a medical check up before we send them back.

The country would not be what it is today without immigrants, but let it be the ones who come here legally. If Canada allows these people to stay, will that not negate the entire immigration process that other have to follow?

yes immigrants, not refugees, smugglers and terrorists.
we need right kind of people, not any kind of people
if we let these people in, what's stopping from other countries from hopping on the boat?

[RRxtar]

I need people for my soccer league team too. Should I let the crack head who robbed my cousin on my team because he says hes here anyway? Or should I take someone whos good at the sport, will fit with the team, and will pay their share of the team entry fee?



just because you got here doesnt mean you get to stay here. this isnt that kids game where you run across the field and if you break thru the line of people you get to stay.

[EmperorIS]

these people are from a war torn country.. they are fleeing for survival..
i think as a country we should extend our help to those that are unfortunate ...nevermind going to africa and help .. but when its at our door steps .. its hard to refuse..

just make them sleep on the boat until further notice :P
NOOO CITIZENSHIP!

[Noir]

What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

That's exactly why we have an immigration process. :rolleyes:

Anyways, Canada has to realize that by accepting these refugee boat, they're actually sending 2 messages:

1. That we're a civil-rights forward, compassionate nation.
2. That's there's 2 ways to immigrate to Canada. By immigration process and by just showing up in a boat.

[underscore]

^ the original post says the war there just ended. though I'll admit I'm not too familiar with that country and their situation.

[ajax]

Coming to Canada isn't just as easy as filling out a few papers and then bam you're magically on a plane over in a year.
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[Great68]

^ the original post says the war there just ended. though I'll admit I'm not too familiar with that country and their situation.

In a nutshell, Sri Lanka is made up of two main ethnic groups: Sinhalese (The majority) and Tamils (Minority)

Sri Lanka was under British Rule until 1948, when the Sinhalese community wanted political independence and the British granted it. When they were drawing up the new constiution the Sinhalese and Tamils started having disagreements. The Sinhalese being the majority passed a "Sinhala only act" establishing Sinhalese as the only official language.
Of course, the Tamils weren't happy about that and started forming militant groups, and the civil war happened.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or "Tamil Tigers" were a military group known for their brutal attacks and massacres of civilians and/or surrenderees. These brutal attacks caused them to be labelled as a "Terrorist group" by many of the world's governments, including Canada.

On May 17 2009, the Tamil tigers admit defeat.

I'm sure there was wrongdoing on both sides. But I would hate for one of these refugees to be someone that hacked some innocent civilian's head open with an axe while he slept, and then get to stay in Canada.

[freakshow]

Its not as easy as filling out a few pieces of paper and bam a year later you're on a plane headed to canada. I personally don't have a problem with people who come here and work hard for their living knowing that they've been given a chance to better their life. That chance being legally or illegally doesn't really matter to me. Now if they come here and fuck it up then send them right back to where they came from. They only get one chance.So you don't care that your family had to wait YEARS to immigrate to Canada legally, when other people just show up and get accepted?
Also, once Canada accepts them, they can do jack all for society, and we'd still take care of them.. don't pretend that Canada will suddenly grow a spine and kick them out after their "one chance".

[Great68]

Just read that it costs $75,000 to process each migrant...

Which means that the cost on us for this boat is $35 million.

Holy shit, thats half the cost of the new bridge they want to build in Victoria right there.

[Noir]

Coming to Canada isn't just as easy as filling out a few papers and then bam you're magically on a plane over in a year.
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So what are you saying? The above justifies illegal immigration?


And just like any other country, immigrating to Canada is far more complex than just "filling out a few papers." But considering the amount of immigration we've seen in the last 2 decades, wouldn't you conclude we'd be one of nations with a lax immigration law.

[Bouncing Bettys]

What makes people think that everyone on that ship is poor? The last Tamil boat to come to Canada had people paying 40,000usd.

http://www.canada.com/health/Wait+hear+tales+Tamils+recent+refugee+urges/3391797/story.html



I doubt it is even that easy to find a way on to these boats. Obviously the people on the boats must have some connection to the smugglers in some way.

these smugglers often target the most desperate people. the money is more than likely their entire life savings meaning they now have nothing or they never had that money to begin with and now owe a debt of that amount to the smugglers which will have to be worked off, effectively making them workings slaves.

[Drow]

the vietnamese first came here by boat as refugees. look how their community has thrived and how they give back to our community

pho, trend on track pants and nammer wear, some hot chicks

[scottsman]

The GDP grew at an average annual rate of 5.5% during the early 1990s, until a drought and a deteriorating security situation lowered growth to 3.8% in 1996. The economy rebounded in 1997–2000, with average growth of 5.3%. The year of 2001 saw the first recession in the country's history, as a result of power shortages, budgetary problems, the global slowdown, and continuing civil strife. Signs of recovery appeared after the 2002 ceasefire which died away following the beginning of war. Since the separatist war ended in May 2009 the Sri Lankan stock market has shown marked gains to be among the 3 best performing markets in the world.[38] The Colombo Stock Exchange reported the highest growth in the world for 2003, and today Sri Lanka has the highest per capita income in South Asia. About 14% of the population live on less than US$ 1.25 per day

Sri Lanka, with an income per head of US$1,972, still lags behind some of its neighbours including Maldives but is ahead of its giant neighbour India. Its economy grew by an average of 5% during the 1990s during the 'War for Peace' era. According to the Sri Lankan central bank statistics, the economy was estimated to have grown by 7% last year, while inflation reached 20%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka#Economy

From the figures above it seems a little far fetched to think many people on that boat would have 40,000$ even if they used their entire life savings. That is not to say that some people could be in the situation where they must work off the debt.

If someone can afford the 40,000$ then they are doing pretty well for themselves and probably wouldn't come to Canada by way of boat.

It seems more likely that a person who is on that boat was/is a part of the Tamil Tigers and has access to money. If they went through the legal means of attempting to come to Canada they would be rejected and perhaps the Sri Lankan Govt could arrest them.

[goo3]

so... back to the original question, does the government actually follow up on illegal immigrants? or do they just let em free after being processed?



I wanna know this too. What does happen to them? And I don't want "I heard on the news this happens" type of answers. Fuck the news. What's the truth?

[Mr.HappySilp]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tamils+months+long+voyage+under+terrorism+suspicio n/3397382/story.html

Guess they will all be staying Canada using our tax dollars. Not to mention in the article it saids more ship is heading to our way!

Way to go Canada! Let's welcome them!

Why can't Canada do what Australia did? Just fucking turn the ship away and if they force their way into our water just shot the boat.

[bcrdukes]

This is an interesting take on the situation (depending on how you see it.) (Source - News1130.com (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/89247--protesters-gather-in-victoria-to-protest-the-arrival-of-mv-sun-sea) )

Protesters gather in Victoria to protest the arrival of MV Sun Sea
Migrant boats should not be allowed to set sail, says the group

News1130 Staff Aug 14, 2010 16:05:02 PM
Be the first to Comment 0 Recommendation(s) VICTORIA (NEWS1130) - Dozens of protesters gathered at CFB Esquimalt near Victoria this afternoon to protest the arrival of 490 Tamil migrants from Sri Lanka.

The Canada First Immigration Reform Committee says by allowing the MV Sun Sea to dock here, the federal government is not protecting Canada.

Organizer Paul Fromm says the group isn't looking for a fight, it's simply trying to send a message to Ottawa. "There's apparently two more boats ready to come our way because they know it works. The only way to crack down on people smuggling is to make it not work, and the way to do that is like the Americans and the Australians do it and that is they don't let them into their waters."

Critics say the feds should put more pressure on the Sri Lankan government to stop migrant boats before they set sail.

[Slifer]

Fuck this thread angers me.

[Blue_StreakR]

I personally don't know enough about the situation, but for starters, comparing these people coming here and claiming refugee status to for example a family that is in no threat of harm in there homecountry that simply wants a better opportunity in Canada is like comparing apples and oranges. Every situation is different.

With that being said, Canada is taking a stance that is far too soft when it comes to people claiming refugee status and it is being abused. There are many people all over the world that are living in horrible conditions, and suffer daily violence, and further atrocities. The world is fucked up. It's too bad, but it's a reality. Canada trying to act as Mother Theresa is going to eventually backfire. Helping out some people I have no issue with, but the majority of Sri Lankan refugees do come to Canadian shores. When will it end? Who is going to follow them?? How much is it going to cost??

[OTG-ZR2]

I do not agree with the way this situation is being handled. We should provide bare necessity's for the migrants and send them back on there way.

[Manic!]

You have to stop the problem at the source. Once they are on the boat it’s too late. People always say they will do anything for their family and these Tamils did that.
They sold everything they owned and begged and borrowed just to get enough money to get here. Image how terrible your life would have to be for you to do that.
I bet none of these Tamils would have been accepted by Immigration Canada if they tried legally. Some countries won’t even let you apply or leave i.e. North Korea a
nd Iran so the only option is to sneak out and speak in to another country.

A few years ago my cousin came to Canada on a working Visa because my uncle needed workers for his commercial laundry. If he didn’t have family here there is no way
he would have made it here. Another one of my uncle’s relatives also applied at the same time but was rejected. Now my cousin is married and working 6 days a week
as a roofer from sunup to sun down and in a few years he will on his own house and live the Canadian dream.

As Canadians we should not refuse to help people when they are in need no matter where they are from or how they got here. It some of these Tamils are terrorist they
should be sent back but the others should be allowed to say, I think they have suffered enough.

[Graeme S]

Policy is that immigration releases people they do not believe will be an immediate danger to others. They are free to live and even work here as the refugee process continues.

They are required to attend all requisite hearings, and update their address to the authorities, however spot checks are generally not done until and unless the individuals are either rejected as refugees or fail to appear for a hearing. Not all do actually give updated addresses, so it can be difficult to deport individuals, especially if they appeal.

To add difficulties to this process, recently a (south!) Korean woman who had applied as a refugee was approached by her immigration judge for a sexual relationship "that might help me help you in your hearing". This coming out may have tainted all the previous hearings.

Manic, I'm curious if your uncle couldve hired a Canadian person to work at the laundromat. It's my understanding that to sponsor someone, there is a requisite minimum pay (now above $18/hr), as well as a discussion with someone from CBSA on why it is not possible to hire someone locally. While I understand your uncles' desire to help a family member, and that the person is now working crazily and married...I'd wonder if a person who was born here or had applied through conventional channels would have that opportunity, and if the taxes your uncle's relative is now paying are paying for said Canadian's welfare.
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Manic, I'm curious if your uncle couldve hired a Canadian person to work at the laundromat. It's my understanding that to sponsor someone, there is a requisite minimum pay (now above $18/hr), as well as a discussion with someone from CBSA on why it is not possible to hire someone locally. While I understand your uncles' desire to help a family member, and that the person is now working crazily and married...I'd wonder if a person who was born here or had applied through conventional channels would have that opportunity, and if the taxes your uncle's relative is now paying are paying for said Canadian's welfare.
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It's hard finding reliable workers. We have a gas station and have a hard time getting workers. At night I have waited 40 plus minutes at a McDonald's Drive thru near my house because they only have one person doing everything, they are in desperate need of workers but can't find anyone to work there.

[BrRsn]

Government's try too hard to make everyone happy. If they reject this boat jews might see some parallelism to what happened to them when they tried to flee germany to avoid concentration camps. Indians (mostly punjabis) will probably bring up the Komagata Maru incident where ~30 people on the boat were shot and killed before even docking back in India. There's gonna be backlash no matter what, stop bending the rules for everyone and just be firm with you're policies ...

[Manic!]

\ Indians (mostly punjabis) will probably bring up the Komagata Maru incident where ~30 people on the boat were shot and killed before even docking back in India. There's gonna be backlash no matter what, stop bending the rules for everyone and just be firm with you're policies ...

The thing about the Komagata Maru was that the people on board were British subjects and Canada was part of the British empire. People from Canada had know problem going to any country under the rule of the British without any problems.

[BrRsn]

The thing about the Komagata Maru was that the people on board were British subjects and Canada was part of the British empire. People from Canada had know problem going to any country under the rule of the British without any problems.

Sorry typed in a rush,

What I meant is the jews and the indians were both situations where they should have been allowed. I forget the statistic but I think all of the jews that tried to come here, ended up in concentration camps.

And so now, to avoid looking bad or horrible in the eyes of other countries/potential tourists they're just trying to seem more humanitarian and hospitable to everyone. Which, like a previous statement said, will have everyone living in a third world country trying to get here, 'cause we take everyone.

I'm assuming the possibility of slums and shanty towns popping up to house these people won't kill tourism? Working minimum wage there is no way in hell a person can afford $800/month rent + food + transportation + whatever the hell else you need

[Manic!]

Sorry typed in a rush,

e possibility of slums and shanty towns popping up to house these people won't kill tourism? Working minimum wage there is no way in hell a person can afford $800/month rent + food + transportation + whatever the hell else you need

$800 rent where are you looking? My cousin pays $450 in Surrey for a basement suite and Indian/Bangladeshi food is cheap when bought in bulk and cooked at home . Working 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week adds up.


Also the Tamil community says they will help the refugee's.

[Graeme S]

Manic, "having trouble finding reliable workers" in theory should mean that the wage they're being paid isn't sufficient, or that the experience or work they're doing isn't valuable to them.

When people like your Uncle bring in foreign workers, it artificially lowers the realistic minimum wage by creating a new class of workers--those who will do anything to get the hell out of their home countries.

You say that "working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week adds up", but why should anyone HAVE TO do that? I teach foreign students English for a living--one of the reasons people come here and fall in love is that people DON'T find themselves working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week. One of the reasons wages are so low in Korea (specific example) is because of all the chinese/philippino/cambodian/vietnamese workers who make even less than korean minimum wage, and are willing to work as hard as they can just to make ends meet.



As a result, people are working harder and earning less. Certainly, your Uncle is noble in helping a relative. But he's making everyone else's life harder on the whole too. Sadly, at the same time Ulic is right as well. When we only let rich people in (economic immigrant status), it only accellerates the ghettoization of Vancouver. Without a balance including a good number of middle-class individuals, Vancouver will only become more and more imbalanced, and the easygoing lifestyle we have enjoyed and still can will be the same as that of Manhattan--only available to those lucky enough to be born into it.

[Mr.HappySilp]

$800 rent where are you looking? My cousin pays $450 in Surrey for a basement suite and Indian/Bangladeshi food is cheap when bought in bulk and cooked at home . Working 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week adds up.


Also the Tamil community says they will help the refugee's.

If that's the case please have the Tamil community pay for the medical bill, education bill for the refugee's kid and everything for the refugee beccasue I don't know want my tax dollars going towards them.

I rather my tax dollars goes fix the roads that I use regularly and provide a better highway system.

[obselete]

These refugees are being more welcomed by the CBSA than we are when we cross the border.

[SpoonFit]

Lol let the people in, They took a huge risk and made it here. This is Canada they all came here for a better substantial life, beside we only get one shot at life... Think of their position I'm sure someone on that boat has an amazing story to tell and just looking for a new shot at living. All you guys telling to go back should all be shipped to Africa and eat shit.

Lol fucking rs.
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[Manic!]

If that's the case please have the Tamil community pay for the medical bill, education bill for the refugee's kid and everything for the refugee beccasue I don't know want my tax dollars going towards them.

I rather my tax dollars goes fix the roads that I use regularly and provide a better highway system.

So if the government lets them stay and the Tamil community pays for everything do the refugees still have to pay taxes?

[Noir]

So if the government lets them stay and the Tamil community pays for everything do the refugees still have to pay taxes?

IF they can find a legal job.

[Manic!]

IF they can find a legal job.

Income tax is not the only tax out there and it's not hard to find work if you are willing to work at a low end job.

[scottsman]

You say that "working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week adds up", but why should anyone HAVE TO do that? I teach foreign students English for a living--one of the reasons people come here and fall in love is that people DON'T find themselves working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week. One of the reasons wages are so low in Korea (specific example) is because of all the chinese/philippino/cambodian/vietnamese workers who make even less than korean minimum wage, and are willing to work as hard as they can just to make ends meet.

agree with what you have said and would like to point out that instead of being taken advantage of in their country, they have come to another country to be taken advantage of.

Manic, thanking Spoonfit's post doesn't really help people to understand your point of view. If he could have provided something insightful into the discussion I would understand the thanks but when someone says this:

Lol let the niggas in, They took a huge risk and made it here. This is Canada they all came here for a better substantial life, beside we only get one shot at life... Think of their position I'm sure someone on that boat has an amazing story to tell and just looking for a new shot at living. All you guys telling to go back should all be shipped to Africa and eat shit.

Lol fucking rs.

I wouldn't want this kind of support when arguing a point.

[asahai69]

all of you bitching and complaining about this shoulda gone to comox or wherever the ship is and protested. i saw there were like 8 people with signs up. you all coulda easily doubled the numbers.

complaining about shit on an internet forum dosent get you anywhere. unless the people complaining just want something to bitch about

[Blue_StreakR]

all of you bitching and complaining about this shoulda gone to comox or wherever the ship is and protested. i saw there were like 8 people with signs up. you all coulda easily doubled the numbers.

complaining about shit on an internet forum dosent get you anywhere. unless the people complaining just want something to bitch about

complaining in person doesn't do anything either. This has been going on for years, and has no signs of changing

[Blue_StreakR]

Lol let the niggas in, They took a huge risk and made it here. This is Canada they all came here for a better substantial life, beside we only get one shot at life... Think of their position I'm sure someone on that boat has an amazing story to tell and just looking for a new shot at living. All you guys telling to go back should all be shipped to Africa and eat shit.

Lol fucking rs.
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Hmmm.... so we should let in anyone that has a great story to tell. Interesting idea.

[freelunch]

Whenever I see crap like this wasting all the thousands and thousands of tax dollars I pay, I feel like a freakin philanthropist to a worthless cause.
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[Ch28]

Whenever I see crap like this wasting all the thousands and thousands of tax dollars I pay, I feel like a freakin philanthropist to a worthless cause.
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username + post = :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[Not really racist!]

username + post = :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Ch28]

I was browsing RFD just now and a bunch of people in GTA are reporting that the news said there are 2 more ships headed to our coast.

:rolleyes:

[twitchyzero]

Fucking Hell.

[CorneringArtist]

They'd better not let those two boats in. One is enough. Letting in more just shows how Canada can be TOO compassionate.

[Mr.HappySilp]

They'd better not let those two boats in. One is enough. Letting in more just shows how Canada can be TOO compassionate.

O I think Canada will keep letting them in.

[kokanee_vtec]

Income tax is not the only tax out there and it's not hard to find work if you are willing to work at a low end job.

Elders will most likely accept working low end jobs. These younger men will be the ones pushin drugs and committing crimes for money hence more violence in our community.

[ajei]

Lol let the niggas in, They took a huge risk and made it here. This is Canada they all came here for a better substantial life, beside we only get one shot at life... Think of their position I'm sure someone on that boat has an amazing story to tell and just looking for a new shot at living. All you guys telling to go back should all be shipped to Africa and eat shit.

Lol fucking rs.
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so what happens when more come?


I was browsing RFD just now and a bunch of people in GTA are reporting that the news said there are 2 more ships headed to our coast.

:rolleyes:

[Manic!]

Elders will most likely accept working low end jobs. These younger men will be the ones pushin drugs and committing crimes for money hence more violence in our community.

And you know this how?

The drugs dealers I know of are born in Canada and don't want to work as hard as there parents but want to live the good life.

I know a number of under 30 immigrants and the amount some of them work is ridiculous.

[Graeme S]

And you know this how?

The drugs dealers I know of are born in Canada and don't want to work as hard as there parents but want to live the good life.
So you're saying that people coming in and working ridiculously long hours seems unreasonable to people born here.


Hmmmm....

[asahai69]

complaining in person doesn't do anything either. This has been going on for years, and has no signs of changing

if there are enough people to complain then it will change

[Graeme S]

if there are enough people to complain then it will change
If there are enough people who are well-spoken and can accurately express their ideas in a logical and clear yet emotional manner, people will begin to pay attention.

Which may at one point translate into votes. Which may eventually change some things. The question as to whether we want single-issue candidates, on the other hand...

[darkfroggy]

We need some Jan Brewers in here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html

[darkfroggy]

if there are enough people to complain then it will change

I see that's going mighty well with the HST and BC carbon tax.

[asahai69]

I see that's going mighty well with the HST and BC carbon tax.

in the end of the day. those 2 taxes are actually good for BC and good for you.

[Ronin]

Turn them away.

...or else another boatload of freeloaders is going to turn up tomorrow.

[ImportPsycho]

Lol let the niggas in, They took a huge risk and made it here. This is Canada they all came here for a better substantial life, beside we only get one shot at life... Think of their position I'm sure someone on that boat has an amazing story to tell and just looking for a new shot at living. All you guys telling to go back should all be shipped to Africa and eat shit.

Lol fucking rs.
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send the bills to this guy


tell them to come back another time
bad timing, not one month after HST
everyone is senstive about pissing off tax money

[gdoh]

have them fight to the death for who gets to stay

[SpoonFit]

Heartless.

[Eastwood]

Heartless.
No not heartless. Having compassion for refugees and letting them into the country are two opposite things.

I try to look at the situation as line-jumping. We have legitimate applicants from persons of other countries that are waiting to be accepted to come into Canada. Now these people will have to wait longer because of line-jumpers like the ones on the boat.

Not only that, but we will be paying for them for the next couple of years. Unless our government does anything to prevent this from the future, more and more ships will be destined for our shorelines.

[SpoonFit]

No not heartless. Having compassion for refugees and letting them into the country are two opposite things.

I try to look at the situation as line-jumping. We have legitimate applicants from persons of other countries that are waiting to be accepted to come into Canada. Now these people will have to wait longer because of line-jumpers like the ones on the boat.

Not only that, but we will be paying for them for the next couple of years. Unless our government does anything to prevent this from the future, more and more ships will be destined for our shorelines.

best be honest with you that I don't follow up on politics, but just from a sideline view..it is heartless because this is the way life is, unfortunately.

Everything down to the way the system works, taxes, justice system, banks, everything down to the core is hella corrupted.

[hongy]

Then you shouldn't have started running your mouth if you know nothing :rolleyes:

This is a forum, its what people do, voice their opinions and shit.

[Meowjin]

best be honest with you that I don't follow up on politics, but just from a sideline view..it is heartless because this is the way life is, unfortunately.

Everything down to the way the system works, taxes, justice system, banks, everything down to the core is hella corrupted.

isnt this your fourth account?

[Graeme S]

Thread cleaned up, 60 points and a ban given out.


Play nice. I don't.

-edit-

72 points now.

[Manic!]

No not heartless. Having compassion for refugees and letting them into the country are two opposite things.

I try to look at the situation as line-jumping. We have legitimate applicants from persons of other countries that are waiting to be accepted to come into Canada. Now these people will have to wait longer because of line-jumpers like the ones on the boat.

Not only that, but we will be paying for them for the next couple of years. Unless our government does anything to prevent this from the future, more and more ships will be destined for our shorelines.

PM me your paypal or home address and I will send you your portion of tax dollars that went to these refugees If that will make you happy.

[Graeme S]

PM me your paypal or home address and I will send you your portion of tax dollars that went to these refugees If that will make you happy.
I might be careful of that were I you--others might make the same request.

But you are then faced with a very interesting and apt problem: When one person who needs or asks for something that others may or may not get gets it because they are loud and complain, others who want the same thing will try the same tack. Once you give in once, how do you justify refusing others? By saying there's not enough resources? By saying "We (I) don't have enough to give you what you want."

Hmm.

[scottsman]

Damn I missed all the action. So many points.

best be honest with you that I don't follow up on politics, but just from a sideline view..it is heartless because this is the way life is, unfortunately.

So does this mean that everyone who has a shit life should be allowed to come to Canada? There are billions of people who would benefit from coming to Canada why should a small group of them be allowed to stay here illegally. If I was an applicant waiting in line to come here I would be pissed.

[Graeme S]

Damn I missed all the action. So many points.



So does this mean that everyone who has a shit life should be allowed to come to Canada? There are billions of people who would benefit from coming to Canada why should a small group of them be allowed to stay here illegally. If I was an applicant waiting in line to come here I would be pissed.
The flip side is that you might be happy that Canada is continuing to be a kind and considerate free country; the kind you want to live in and your kids to grow up in. That you are looking for an alternative to the despotic/wartorn/overworked/underpaid/fillintheproblemhere nation you come from.

Just being a bit of a devil's advocate.

[bcrdukes]

A somewhat but not really surprising announcement made by the Conversative Government. (Source - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/08/17/harper-tamil-migrants.html?ref=rss))

Tamil ship could lead to law change: Harper


Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the federal government "will not hesitate" to change its laws to give authorities greater powers to curb human smuggling in the wake of the arrival of a ship carrying hundreds of Tamil migrants in B.C. last week.

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday in Mississauga, Ont., the prime minister said Canada is a "land of refuge" but the "abnormal" arrival of a ship carrying migrants creates "significant security concerns" the government has a responsibility to handle.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks to reporters during a transit announcement in Mississauga, Ont., on Tuesday. (Frank Gunn/Canadian Press)"We will not hesitate to strengthen the laws if we have to, because ultimately as a government, we're responsible," Harper said. "It's a fundamental exercise of sovereignty, and we're responsible for the security of our borders and the ability to welcome people or not welcome people when they come."

The prime minister did not elaborate on what legal changes the government might consider but said the wider issue of human smuggling is a "growing concern" around the world.

"This trend gives us some significant concern, and we'll take whatever steps are necessary going forward," he said.

The MV Sun Sea arrived in B.C. early Friday carrying roughly 490 Tamil migrants, who deny any involvement with terrorism and claim they are fleeing "mass murder" in Sri Lanka. But government officials say they believe there are links between the ship and the Tamil rebel group, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or LTTE.

The group, also known as the Tamil Tigers, has been banned in Canada as a terrorist organization since 2006 for its use of child soldiers and suicide bombers during Sri Lanka's bloody 25-year civil war.


Opposition critics have called on the Conservative government to show more compassion for the plight of those on board the MV Sun Sea instead of linking the migrants to terrorism.

Liberal MP Marc Garneau said Public Safety Minister Vic Toews should "lower the tone" of the security concerns and allow the refugee application process to play out. He noted the new cases represented only two per cent of the 30,000 refugee applications Canada receives annually.

"We have an obligation to look at each person in a case-by-case basis," Garneau said. "A sense of proportion would be nice."

As a signatory to the UN Convention on Refugees, Canada is obliged not to send migrants back to their own country if they face persecution there.

But Sri Lankan government officials have chided the Canadian government for not turning away the Sun Sea, saying the money paid to the smugglers by the migrants will go toward the Tamil Tigers' efforts to regroup. Sri Lanka has also denied the migrants' claims that Tamils continue to face abuse and mistreatment in the country following the defeat of Tigers last year.

Immigration officials were expected to begin detention review hearings on Tuesday in Vancouver.

The Canada Border Services Agency reports that of the 492 migrants who arrived aboard the vessel, 63 are women and 49 are children.

Last October, 76 Tamil migrants who arrived in a boat off Vancouver Island claimed refugee status, saying they were fleeing persecution. All were eventually released from custody after allegations that some were linked to the Tamil Tigers were not proven.

[Manic!]

I might be careful of that were I you--others might make the same request.





I think I can afford paying a few people a couple of bux at the most.

[darkfroggy]

in the end of the day. those 2 taxes are actually good for BC and good for you.

Never said they were bad.

Just said the whining and complaining about it wasn't going to get rid of it.

[asahai69]

^ but this is something to actually complain about LOL. not fighting HST

If there are enough people who are well-spoken and can accurately express their ideas in a logical and clear yet emotional manner, people will begin to pay attention.

Which may at one point translate into votes. Which may eventually change some things. The question as to whether we want single-issue candidates, on the other hand...

is this such a big issue at the moment to vote for single issue candidates?

example Arizona.

atleast it seems like the government is doing something about it now.

[underscore]

In a nutshell, Sri Lanka is made up of two main ethnic groups: Sinhalese (The majority) and Tamils (Minority)

Sri Lanka was under British Rule until 1948, when the Sinhalese community wanted political independence and the British granted it. When they were drawing up the new constiution the Sinhalese and Tamils started having disagreements. The Sinhalese being the majority passed a "Sinhala only act" establishing Sinhalese as the only official language.
Of course, the Tamils weren't happy about that and started forming militant groups, and the civil war happened.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or "Tamil Tigers" were a military group known for their brutal attacks and massacres of civilians and/or surrenderees. These brutal attacks caused them to be labelled as a "Terrorist group" by many of the world's governments, including Canada.

On May 17 2009, the Tamil tigers admit defeat.

I'm sure there was wrongdoing on both sides. But I would hate for one of these refugees to be someone that hacked some innocent civilian's head open with an axe while he slept, and then get to stay in Canada.

Awesome, thanks.

Sorry typed in a rush,

What I meant is the jews and the indians were both situations where they should have been allowed. I forget the statistic but I think all of the jews that tried to come here, ended up in concentration camps.

And so now, to avoid looking bad or horrible in the eyes of other countries/potential tourists they're just trying to seem more humanitarian and hospitable to everyone. Which, like a previous statement said, will have everyone living in a third world country trying to get here, 'cause we take everyone.

See above, from the looks of it these people should be fine back home (aside from any Tamil Tiger members, should there be any). So I say send them back, along with a bill for anything this has cost us. As far as these two other ships on their way, turn them back as soon as they enter our waters.

[Manic!]

Awesome, thanks.



See above, from the looks of it these people should be fine back home

Yes everything is fine over there.

Pictures from last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200904/r361827_1670841.jpg

http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/tamil-civilians-stand-in-line-to-receive-food-and-supplies-in-a-refugee-camp-located-on-the-outskirts-of-the-town-of-vavuniya-in-northern-sri-lanka.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01379/psrilanka1_1379169c.jpg

[underscore]

last year = war. this year =\= war...

[Manic!]

last year = war. this year =\= war...


You think after 20+ years of fighting and having your house destroyed everything will be OK and now they all live in houses with indoor plumbing and electricity? sri lanka is a third world country and people living in the downtown east side have it better than many people living in Sri Lanka.

[2damaxmr2]

Not my war, not my problem. I am not paying for their medical bills, welfare and shit.

[ImportPsycho]

You think after 20+ years of fighting and having your house destroyed everything will be OK and now they all live in houses with indoor plumbing and electricity? sri lanka is a third world country and people living in the downtown east side have it better than many people living in Sri Lanka.


:cry: :rolleyes:

[Manic!]

:cry: :rolleyes:

At least they something to really complain about unlike some people complaining about the HST like it's going to kill them.

[underscore]

You think after 20+ years of fighting and having your house destroyed everything will be OK and now they all live in houses with indoor plumbing and electricity? sri lanka is a third world country and people living in the downtown east side have it better than many people living in Sri Lanka.

So you think we should let every fucking person in a third world country just show up in Canadian ports and move in? How about we better Canada for the people already fucking living here first, and then worry about the rest of the world.

I know their country isn't exactly in the best shape right after a long war, but what do you expect? It's a goddamn third world country, and their are a lot shittier ones to live in.

Also the people in the DTES don't all have houses, let alone indoor plumbing and electricity. Do you honestly think that they do?

[gdoh]

just a good "joke" that was sent to me this morning...ill just leave it here

*LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT..*

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE CANADIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
* A JOB,
* A DRIVERS LICENSE,
* SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
* WELFARE,
* FOOD STAMPS,
* CREDIT CARDS,
* SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
* FREE EDUCATION,
* FREE HEALTH CARE
* BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM

GRASP ON THE SITUATION…

[Jermyzy]

I don't have any sympathy for this guy...he says he "just wants a chance". I'm sure he's been more than one chance already...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/18082010/71/central-ottawa-man-calls-deportation-order-native-somalia-death-sentence.html

Ottawa man calls deportation order to native Somalia a death sentence

"OTTAWA - An Ottawa man who's to be deported to his native Somalia - a country he left two decades ago - because of his criminality says the punishment amounts to a death sentence.

"I will probably get killed; it's like the wild, wild west over there," Abadir Ali said during an interview at the Ottawa-Carleton Detention Centre, where he's been held for more than two years by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

In Somalia, Ali said, he would be targeted because he doesn't speak the language and has no immediate family to help him. The 27-year-old has few memories of the east African country where he spent his early years.

Ali was born on Jan. 1, 1983 in the town of Hargeisa, in northern Somalia, where his father was a member of the Somali National Movement. The movement opposed the regime of then-Somali dictator, Siad Barre.

His family was forced to flee Hargeisa when it came under bombardment by government forces in 1988. Ali spent the next three years in a refugee camp; his father was jailed.

He remembers "mostly chaos" from his childhood in Somalia.

Ali arrived in Canada with his stepmother in August 1991, and was granted refugee status one year later. He clashed with his stepmother, however, and grew up largely in foster homes. He has since lost touch with most of his immediate family, including his father.

Last year, the immigration department declared Ali a threat to Canadians because of five adult criminal convictions, two of them for violent assaults. A Federal Court judge recently upheld that assessment.

Immigration authorities are now preparing to deport Ali, who insists he is not the hardened criminal portrayed by federal officials. He has never been sentenced to federal prison time - two years or more - for any of his offences.

"I'm a human being; everybody makes mistakes in their lives," he said, adding: "There's much worse guys out there than me walking around the streets."

Ali appealed to Immigration Minister Jason Kenney to halt his deportation.

"Don't treat me like a number," he pleaded. "I just want to be with my girlfriend and the two kids. I just want a chance."

Erin Carruthers, 26, an Ottawa child-and-youth worker, has been involved with Ali for more than three years. They met at a Tim Hortons coffee shop where Ali helped Carruthers with her two young children.

The federal government moved to deport Ali after he pleaded guilty to aggravated assault in the July 2007 beating of a legally blind woman in downtown Ottawa. The victim was kicked and punched so badly that she had to undergo brain surgery.

In January 2008, Ali was sentenced to 47 days in jail for the crime in addition to the five months he had already served.

But he has been in jail ever since - stalled by an immigration "hold" while his deportation case proceeds.

Ali contends he has already been punished twice for the crime, and if deported, will be punished yet again.

"I'm remorseful, I really am," he said. "But what they're trying to do is crazy. I feel like I'm being kicked around like a football.""

[underscore]

"I'm remorseful, I really am," he said. "But what they're trying to do is crazy. I feel like I'm being kicked around like a football.""

Ironic, I'm guessing this is how the woman he beat felt at the time... get him the fuck out of Canada

[scottsman]

You think after 20+ years of fighting and having your house destroyed everything will be OK and now they all live in houses with indoor plumbing and electricity? sri lanka is a third world country and people living in the downtown east side have it better than many people living in Sri Lanka.

Manic! have you had a chance to live in a 3rd world country? Majority of people living in a 3rd world country may not have plumbing or electricity but that is normal for them so it doesn't affect their lives in a negative way. I work with people in Vietnam who make less than 100$usd a month yet they put food on the table for their family, have a house, clothing, etc. By the standards set here they are living a normal life. You cannot compare the DTES to people in a 3rd world country. Like comparing apples and oranges.

[fliptuner]

Well, it looks like a lot of the Bhutanese refugees ended up in Coquitlam.

http://www.thenownews.com/life/Students+adapt+life+Canada/3663544/story.html

[optiblue]

I don't have any sympathy for this guy...he says he "just wants a chance". I'm sure he's been more than one chance already...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/18082010/71/central-ottawa-man-calls-deportation-order-native-somalia-death-sentence.html

Ottawa man calls deportation order to native Somalia a death sentence

"OTTAWA - An Ottawa man who's to be deported to his native Somalia - a country he left two decades ago - because of his criminality says the punishment amounts to a death sentence.

"I will probably get killed; it's like the wild, wild west over there," Abadir Ali said during an interview at the Ottawa-Carleton Detention Centre, where he's been held for more than two years by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

In Somalia, Ali said, he would be targeted because he doesn't speak the language and has no immediate family to help him. The 27-year-old has few memories of the east African country where he spent his early years.

Ali was born on Jan. 1, 1983 in the town of Hargeisa, in northern Somalia, where his father was a member of the Somali National Movement. The movement opposed the regime of then-Somali dictator, Siad Barre.

His family was forced to flee Hargeisa when it came under bombardment by government forces in 1988. Ali spent the next three years in a refugee camp; his father was jailed.

He remembers "mostly chaos" from his childhood in Somalia.

Ali arrived in Canada with his stepmother in August 1991, and was granted refugee status one year later. He clashed with his stepmother, however, and grew up largely in foster homes. He has since lost touch with most of his immediate family, including his father.

Last year, the immigration department declared Ali a threat to Canadians because of five adult criminal convictions, two of them for violent assaults. A Federal Court judge recently upheld that assessment.

Immigration authorities are now preparing to deport Ali, who insists he is not the hardened criminal portrayed by federal officials. He has never been sentenced to federal prison time - two years or more - for any of his offences.

"I'm a human being; everybody makes mistakes in their lives," he said, adding: "There's much worse guys out there than me walking around the streets."

Ali appealed to Immigration Minister Jason Kenney to halt his deportation.

"Don't treat me like a number," he pleaded. "I just want to be with my girlfriend and the two kids. I just want a chance."

Erin Carruthers, 26, an Ottawa child-and-youth worker, has been involved with Ali for more than three years. They met at a Tim Hortons coffee shop where Ali helped Carruthers with her two young children.

The federal government moved to deport Ali after he pleaded guilty to aggravated assault in the July 2007 beating of a legally blind woman in downtown Ottawa. The victim was kicked and punched so badly that she had to undergo brain surgery.

In January 2008, Ali was sentenced to 47 days in jail for the crime in addition to the five months he had already served.

But he has been in jail ever since - stalled by an immigration "hold" while his deportation case proceeds.

Ali contends he has already been punished twice for the crime, and if deported, will be punished yet again.

"I'm remorseful, I really am," he said. "But what they're trying to do is crazy. I feel like I'm being kicked around like a football.""

This guy has trouble written all over him. I hope he gets what he deserves!