[ASG111]

Anyone ever appealed a grade in SFU and managed to get success?

I received a mark in a course and was not too happy about it. The instructor said the Average for the grade was going to be a B-, and I thought at the beginning, that his intention of grading between an A to a C... making average around B- or so. Throughout 50% of the course which consisted of assignments, presentation and group project, the class pretty much received a B+, B and B- marks, making the average to a B.

A 50% of the final mark was from exams... I am not sure about the mark for my final exam but I ended up a B... It seems really unfair that he hardly gives out an As and such, so for that I"m going to appeal because the grading seems vague with no comments and such.\

With that said, I've been reading about the policies as outlined
http://www.sfu.ca/policies/teaching/t20-01.htm

and it seems that a student's mark will increase, decrease, or stay the same... I don't want to take the risk of decreasing, but I was wondering whether you have had any experiences in doing so and manage to boost or decrease or grade.

Please share your experience. Thanks

[bcedhk]

Anyone ever appealed a grade in SFU and managed to get success?

I received a mark in a course and was not too happy about it. The instructor said the Average for the grade was going to be a B-, and I thought at the beginning, that his intention of grading between an A to a C... making average around B- or so. Throughout 50% of the course which consisted of assignments, presentation and group project, the class pretty much received a B+, B and B- marks, making the average to a B.

A 50% of the final mark was from exams... I am not sure about the mark for my final exam but I ended up a B... It seems really unfair that he hardly gives out an As and such, so for that I"m going to appeal because the grading seems vague with no comments and such.\

With that said, I've been reading about the policies as outlined
http://www.sfu.ca/policies/teaching/t20-01.htm

and it seems that a student's mark will increase, decrease, or stay the same... I don't want to take the risk of decreasing, but I was wondering whether you have had any experiences in doing so and manage to boost or decrease or grade.

Please share your experience. Thanks

it seems you just wanted a better mark. Im sure your B was well deserved.

[Harryt]

I would say leave it...

I really never understand some people about marks. I used to be like that too. Then, when got out there in the real world. I found out marks don't mean anything. It's all about work experience, and knowledge. Marks don't mean the person knows a lot or knows very little. Because, marks can always be given more or less dependent on profs.

So really.. I don't get why everyone goes crazy over marks. Just do your best and move on, and MAKE SURE you understood what you learned. Because, at the end of the day what you learned is what you will carry on to the world field. Just because you get a F or C doesn't mean you didn't learn anything about that class.

I would say leave it, because your mark isn't going to make a huge difference if they fix it. What? at the most it will go up by 1 grade? Is it worth the hassle? If you had a C- or C I could see you going for it. But for a B+... I don't know about it.

[TheNewGirl]

Sadly, most departments in SFU have a policy of marking on a curve which can be to your benifit or detriment. I've had classes where I walked away with a 60% that turned out an A, and classes where an 87% equalled a C-. This practice gives instructors a great deal of leeway over their grading practices and the ability, essentially to justify nearly anything. If your proff's curve only allows the top 2% to have an A (which may be only 1-3 students in your class dependant on size) that's all he's going to give out.

You can appeal to the department head. Had you gotten a C - I would, but for a B I wouldn't be bothered unless you have a scholarship or academic position that requires you maintaining an high GPA. You could also speak to your proff and ask WHY you got a B, he is obligated to give you a clear break down of your mark and where you sit in relation to the rest of your class mates.

[Harryt]

Sadly, most departments in SFU have a policy of marking on a curve which can be to your benifit or detriment. I've had classes where I walked away with a 60% that turned out an A, and classes where an 87% equalled a C-. This practice gives instructors a great deal of leeway over their grading practices and the ability, essentially to justify nearly anything. If your proff's curve only allows the top 2% to have an A (which may be only 1-3 students in your class dependant on size) that's all he's going to give out.

You can appeal to the department head. Had you gotten a C - I would, but for a B I wouldn't be bothered unless you have a scholarship or academic position that requires you maintaining an high GPA.
True, missed the curve. I know my econ class at sfu has a bell curve and less than 10% can get A's... So if your class average is a A, then obviously like TheNewGirl stated. Then your marks will be fairly low possibly C-.

Trust me friend, just move on and let it go. The break is over now just enjoy your time off till next semester.

[avaj]

Anyone ever appealed a grade in SFU and managed to get success?

I received a mark in a course and was not too happy about it. The instructor said the Average for the grade was going to be a B-, and I thought at the beginning, that his intention of grading between an A to a C... making average around B- or so. Throughout 50% of the course which consisted of assignments, presentation and group project, the class pretty much received a B+, B and B- marks, making the average to a B.

A 50% of the final mark was from exams... I am not sure about the mark for my final exam but I ended up a B... It seems really unfair that he hardly gives out an As and such, so for that I"m going to appeal because the grading seems vague with no comments and such.\

With that said, I've been reading about the policies as outlined
http://www.sfu.ca/policies/teaching/t20-01.htm

and it seems that a student's mark will increase, decrease, or stay the same... I don't want to take the risk of decreasing, but I was wondering whether you have had any experiences in doing so and manage to boost or decrease or grade.

Please share your experience. Thanks

I personally never done it before. But I heard my friend telling me that it was tough. And just be aware of that your grade may GO DOWN. If it's like a course designed with writing papers, then i suggest you not to tak the risk

[azn_beef]

sounds like good advice for the ECON 301..

[Professir]

I would say leave it...

I really never understand some people about marks. I used to be like that too. Then, when got out there in the real world. I found out marks don't mean anything. It's all about work experience, and knowledge. Marks don't mean the person knows a lot or knows very little. Because, marks can always be given more or less dependent on profs.

So really.. I don't get why everyone goes crazy over marks. Just do your best and move on, and MAKE SURE you understood what you learned. Because, at the end of the day what you learned is what you will carry on to the world field. Just because you get a F or C doesn't mean you didn't learn anything about that class.

I would say leave it, because your mark isn't going to make a huge difference if they fix it. What? at the most it will go up by 1 grade? Is it worth the hassle? If you had a C- or C I could see you going for it. But for a B+... I don't know about it.

dude.... don't you think someone with a 4.0 would probably be more knowledgeable in their field than someone with a 3.3?

[Eff-1]

I would say leave it...

I really never understand some people about marks. I used to be like that too. Then, when got out there in the real world. I found out marks don't mean anything. It's all about work experience, and knowledge. Marks don't mean the person knows a lot or knows very little. Because, marks can always be given more or less dependent on profs.

So really.. I don't get why everyone goes crazy over marks. Just do your best and move on, and MAKE SURE you understood what you learned. Because, at the end of the day what you learned is what you will carry on to the world field. Just because you get a F or C doesn't mean you didn't learn anything about that class.

I would say leave it, because your mark isn't going to make a huge difference if they fix it. What? at the most it will go up by 1 grade? Is it worth the hassle? If you had a C- or C I could see you going for it. But for a B+... I don't know about it.

how do you know he has no plans for grad school?

also, quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

[Eff-1]

Anyone ever appealed a grade in SFU and managed to get success?

I received a mark in a course and was not too happy about it. The instructor said the Average for the grade was going to be a B-, and I thought at the beginning, that his intention of grading between an A to a C... making average around B- or so. Throughout 50% of the course which consisted of assignments, presentation and group project, the class pretty much received a B+, B and B- marks, making the average to a B.

A 50% of the final mark was from exams... I am not sure about the mark for my final exam but I ended up a B... It seems really unfair that he hardly gives out an As and such, so for that I"m going to appeal because the grading seems vague with no comments and such.\

With that said, I've been reading about the policies as outlined
http://www.sfu.ca/policies/teaching/t20-01.htm

and it seems that a student's mark will increase, decrease, or stay the same... I don't want to take the risk of decreasing, but I was wondering whether you have had any experiences in doing so and manage to boost or decrease or grade.

Please share your experience. Thanks

It's tough to appeal a grade based on the fact you don't agree with the grading structure. But if you honestly thing you scored better than given, you can always ask the professor to take another look and double check your marks and/or regrade your work.

In my case I remember one class where I received a final grade that was lower than I expected. I asked the prof to take a look and he discovered there was an error putting my marks into the system, and so my grade was adjusted the next day.

[Harryt]

how do you know he has no plans for grad school?

also, quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Like I said.. some companies will, but really at the end of the day they don't care as much compared to work experience. If you worked with Shaw for 1-2 yrs and apply at Telus, they won't give a crap if you got a C- in a math class etc... Most companies WANT to know you can get the job done. Marks don't always mean you are better at something. I know tons of people, who had lower marks than some of the other students and yet have better jobs. It's call about what you know.

Marks as you know at SFU are changed all the time. Some profs curve marks where someone at 55% gets a 90%. So does that mean this person is suddenly super smart? It will look so on paper!

You can go ahead and believe what you want, but I'm throwing in an opinion. If you don't like it just ignore my post. I'm not here to convince you specifically. This is for the OP.

dude.... don't you think someone with a 4.0 would probably be more knowledgeable in their field than someone with a 3.3?

Not really, read above. Curving of marks can give even a low graded student a high mark. Lets say the 4.0 student applies for a job, where as the 3.3 student already has 1 yr work experience. I think the 3.3 student would have a higher chance at getting the job. They have to spend less $ on training the 3.3 person over the 4.0 person.

[Eff-1]

Like I said.. some companies will, but really at the end of the day they don't care as much compared to work experience. If you worked with Shaw for 1-2 yrs and apply at Telus, they won't give a crap if you got a C- in a math class etc... Most companies WANT to know you can get the job done. Marks don't always mean you are better at something. I know tons of people, who had lower marks than some of the other students and yet have better jobs. It's call about what you know.


Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

[Harryt]

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Yes.. you copied what you wrote above. I already stated that above as well. That's just a few companies, and had you been working for say MS and applied at IBM, they will look more into your work experience than marks.

[TRDood]

Marks matter, if you want to continue on with grad school. Does marks add to your job experience? No. Does marks lead you to more open doors? Yes.

As for the OP, which class is this for and who is the prof? I might be able to tell you what are you chances because it really depends. No one likes to be challenged with their marking scheme, so you are in a losing battle. Most of the time, profs don't even mark exams, TAs do, so basically you are asking the prof to do more work. Do you think you are in a winning battle?

For myself, I have inquired about my mark, and made sure all my scores were added up and recorded correctly. If there are no mistakes, then I don't see a point for appealing because everyone's grade is on a curve.

It just creates more work for you and the prof, do you think he/she will be happy having you bothering them during time off?

[dachinesedude]

i'm pretty sure TA's mark easier than profs, getting the prof to mark is just asking for it

[TheNewGirl]

i'm pretty sure TA's mark easier than profs, getting the prof to mark is just asking for it

Having worked for a few differant proffs as an RA and many many TAs while I was at SFU I can say that at least in the department I worked in this was very very true.

All the TAs and RAs that I have worked with or had to deal with as a student have been much more compassionate and lenient to the students than the proffs. I've known TAs to out right intentionally mark easier then their proffs have requested they do even because the proffs in my department often made tests that were far too diffecult (See the instance above where I noted I once got a 60% in a class and this being in the top 10% of the whole class got me an A... the average was about 49% and that was WITH the TA even giving us what hints he could about the exam ahead of time).

[Professir]

Not really, read above. Curving of marks can give even a low graded student a high mark. Lets say the 4.0 student applies for a job, where as the 3.3 student already has 1 yr work experience. I think the 3.3 student would have a higher chance at getting the job. They have to spend less $ on training the 3.3 person over the 4.0 person.

yeah, but on average, a 4.0 will be smarter than a 3.3 student regardless of the bell curve. if someone gets 68% in a class, and gets curved up to a 90%, it just means that the class material was difficult and hence they deserved an A+ since they did better than the majority of their classmates. It's very seldom that you get an entire class of smarty pants, or an entire class of dumbasses, where bell curving will hand out undeserving students substantially higher or lower grades.

sure, a lot of the stuff learned in school doesn't apply to work in the real world. however, that doesn't mean your grades don't matter. your GPA is an accurate representation of your intelligence and work ethic, both of which carry on into your career. sure, if you hire a 3.3 whose already been trained over a 4.0 who hasn't, you can save a bit of money. but how do you know that the 4.0 won't outperform the 3.3 by a considerable amount? If your logic is true, why do big companies like Goldmans, McKinsey, Microsoft, rarely hire people whose average grades are lower than an A-? universities don't hand out 4.0s for nothing.

[Harryt]

yeah, but on average, a 4.0 will be smarter than a 3.3 student regardless of the bell curve. if someone gets 68% in a class, and gets curved up to a 90%, it just means that the class material was difficult and hence they deserved an A+ since they did better than the majority of their classmates. It's very seldom that you get an entire class of smarty pants, or an entire class of dumbasses, where bell curving will hand out undeserving students substantially higher or lower grades.

sure, a lot of the stuff learned in school doesn't apply to work in the real world. however, that doesn't mean your grades don't matter. your GPA is an accurate representation of your intelligence and work ethic, both of which carry on into your career. sure, if you hire a 3.3 whose already been trained over a 4.0 who hasn't, you can save a bit of money. but how do you know that the 4.0 won't outperform the 3.3 by a considerable amount? If your logic is true, why do big companies like Goldmans, McKinsey, Microsoft, rarely hire people whose average grades are lower than an A-? universities don't hand out 4.0s for nothing.


If the material was to hard, then none of the students are considered smart. Material is NEVER hard, it's a matter of how much of it you can comprehend. That means most of the students cannot comprehend all the material taught, which isn't a good thing either.

The 4.0 wouldn't outperform the 3.3 at least not in the short run. I've been there in the field and I'm saying this from experience. You guys can believe what you want. When you get there you will realize it. It's like me trying to explain something to you, that you cannot understand till you get their yourself. So I will leave it here and let you feel it when you get there in 10-20 yrs of time with work experience.

[Harryt]

Marks matter, if you want to continue on with grad school. Does marks add to your job experience? No. Does marks lead you to more open doors? Yes.

As for the OP, which class is this for and who is the prof? I might be able to tell you what are you chances because it really depends. No one likes to be challenged with their marking scheme, so you are in a losing battle. Most of the time, profs don't even mark exams, TAs do, so basically you are asking the prof to do more work. Do you think you are in a winning battle?

For myself, I have inquired about my mark, and made sure all my scores were added up and recorded correctly. If there are no mistakes, then I don't see a point for appealing because everyone's grade is on a curve.

It just creates more work for you and the prof, do you think he/she will be happy having you bothering them during time off?

Doors ALWAYS open. Just because one closes, doesn't mean it won't open again. Many people have had doors closed on them, but they found ways to open them. I'm not saying marks DON'T matter. I'm stating they matter only to an extent. And that extent seems to be getter smaller and smaller over the years as I've noticed.

[bomberben69]

yeah, but on average, a 4.0 will be smarter than a 3.3 student regardless of the bell curve. if someone gets 68% in a class, and gets curved up to a 90%, it just means that the class material was difficult and hence they deserved an A+ since they did better than the majority of their classmates. It's very seldom that you get an entire class of smarty pants, or an entire class of dumbasses, where bell curving will hand out undeserving students substantially higher or lower grades.

sure, a lot of the stuff learned in school doesn't apply to work in the real world. however, that doesn't mean your grades don't matter. your GPA is an accurate representation of your intelligence and work ethic, both of which carry on into your career. sure, if you hire a 3.3 whose already been trained over a 4.0 who hasn't, you can save a bit of money. but how do you know that the 4.0 won't outperform the 3.3 by a considerable amount? If your logic is true, why do big companies like Goldmans, McKinsey, Microsoft, rarely hire people whose average grades are lower than an A-? universities don't hand out 4.0s for nothing.

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If the material was to hard, then none of the students are considered smart. Material is NEVER hard, it's a matter of how much of it you can comprehend. That means most of the students cannot comprehend all the material taught, which isn't a good thing either.

The 4.0 wouldn't outperform the 3.3 at least not in the short run. I've been there in the field and I'm saying this from experience. You guys can believe what you want. When you get there you will realize it. It's like me trying to explain something to you, that you cannot understand till you get their yourself. So I will leave it here and let you feel it when you get there in 10-20 yrs of time with work experience.


you're beyond retarded. i can't even find the word to describe how low you have sunk in terms of inteligence.

[bomberben69]

harryt probably works at mcdonalds, hence GPA is of no importance to him and his employers.

[Eff-1]

Yes.. you copied what you wrote above. I already stated that above as well. That's just a few companies, and had you been working for say MS and applied at IBM, they will look more into your work experience than marks.

I'll try again, only because I feel sorry for you.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

[Eff-1]

And that extent seems to be getter smaller and smaller over the years as I've noticed.

This is about someone who is clearly is still in school and likely isn't concerned about his odds about getting a job 5 or 10 years from now. He wants a job right after graduation, when your marks could have the most importance. In case you didn't notice this is the campus forum, not employment forum for old guys named harryt.

[TRDood]

This is about someone who is clearly is still in school and likely isn't concerned about his odds about getting a job 5 or 10 years from now. He wants a job right after graduation, when your marks could have the most importance. In case you didn't notice this is the campus forum, not employment forum for old guys named harryt.

Exactly. As a fresh graduate, the primary signal for employers to distinguish whether a person is productive or not is by their education. I am not saying everyone who have completed their PhD is a genius, but education and skills must have a position correlation and that is one of the factors for hiring.

This is another reason why we have an education system. From Harryt's logic, NO ONE should go to school and start gaining work experience right when we know how to walk and speak.

Having a specialized degree cuts down A LOT of competition. Well, there's the connection story, but that's different.

[Harryt]

This is another reason why we have an education system. From Harryt's logic, NO ONE should go to school and start gaining work experience right when we know how to walk and speak.

Having a specialized degree cuts down A LOT of competition. Well, there's the connection story, but that's different.

I wasn't referring to a fresh grad student. I was refering to a student, who has worked or/and done 5 semesters of co-op.

Guessing everyone is "assuming" I am referring to fresh grad students.

[Harryt]

This is about someone who is clearly is still in school and likely isn't concerned about his odds about getting a job 5 or 10 years from now. He wants a job right after graduation, when your marks could have the most importance. In case you didn't notice this is the campus forum, not employment forum for old guys named harryt.

Read my post above.

I'll try again, only because I feel sorry for you.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

As I stated. If your a grad student, who's worked with MS or Shaw, I doubt Telus or IBM will look entirly at your marks or base your job off marks. They will no doubly see your worked for a competitor and know what your doing. I know plently of people who worked at Shaw with ONLY HS education and easily got a job later at Telus paying them a wad load now.

Even Bill Gates states "he doesn't care about marks when students apply. He looks at the type of person they are and work experience. School means crap, since any student can get marks."

harryt probably works at mcdonalds, hence GPA is of no importance to him and his employers.

It is.. but not if they already have worked with a similar company. Then it would be one of the bottom things to look at or base a decision upon.

BTW thanks for the insult, shows how mature you must be. Yes, you hurt my feelings oh no!

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you're beyond retarded. i can't even find the word to describe how low you have sunk in terms of inteligence.

Hey if that makes you feel better about your self.. then sure :)

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have the guts to say it to my face. The internet is an easy place to say anything to anyone. Sad.....

[Eff-1]

The post-grad/management/leadership programs are for students finishing an undergraduate degree applying for entry-level positions with large corporations. Those positions are designed for students and train them to become senior managers over a long term.

Grad students? Some guy with high school only? Some guy who's worked a few years at competitor? All those examples you keep giving over and over again aren't eligible to apply. It's irrelevant, just like most everything else you post.

If you do apply for these programs, yes they look at your resume, but guess what else they want:

Transcripts. Who'd have thought?

Here, one more time, just for kicks.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

[m4k4v4li]

u guys r both fucking retarded and arguing in circles. hes not saying marks dont matter, just that depending on what you do, the importance of your gpa is over emphasized. he gave you a specific example. and you gave him another. *applaud

put it this way, there are tons of fresh grads with good gpas. whats going to seperate the ones that get hired and ones that don't, are the ones who have good references from reputable employers

[Harryt]

The post-grad/management/leadership programs are for students finishing an undergraduate degree applying for entry-level positions with large corporations. Those positions are designed for students and train them to become senior managers over a long term.

Grad students? Some guy with high school only? Some guy who's worked a few years at competitor? All those examples you keep giving over and over again aren't eligible to apply. It's irrelevant, just like most everything else you post.

If you do apply for these programs, yes they look at your resume, but guess what else they want:

Transcripts. Who'd have thought?

Here, one more time, just for kicks.

And your stuck on the fact that you are repeating your self. I'm not talking about programs. I'm strictly talking about some one out there, who's looking for work. And not a fresh grad either.

Learn to read or go take Eng 101 again. Noob

[Harryt]

u guys r both fucking retarded and arguing in circles. hes not saying marks dont matter, just that depending on what you do, the importance of your gpa is over emphasized. he gave you a specific example. and you gave him another. *applaud

put it this way, there are tons of fresh grads with good gpas. whats going to seperate the ones that get hired and ones that don't, are the ones who have good references from reputable employers
Totally agree with you on this, thanks for posting it like it is...

[Sid Vicious]

man find out what you got on your final first before bitching about your mark

[bomberben69]

harryt im speechless. you remind me of those fools who do presentations in elementary schools, using your career path as the example of what not to do. god damnit you dim-witted LB, i want to make fun of you but at the same time I feel so bad for you. you fail.

[bomberben69]

And your stuck on the fact that you are repeating your self. I'm not talking about programs. I'm strictly talking about some one out there, who's looking for work. And not a fresh grad either.

Learn to read or go take Eng 101 again. Noob

sure, his grammar might be slightly incorrect, but i'd rather hire someone who makes a few grammatical errors than someone who's retarded beyond a reasonable doubt *cough*harryt*cough*.

you have no idea what you're talking about. i can't believe you were actually accepted into a post secondary institution. your probably the only person on earth with an IQ in the negatives. go back to langara you cuntscab.

[Professir]

sure, his grammar might be slightly incorrect, but i'd rather hire someone who makes a few grammatical errors than someone who's retarded beyond a reasonable doubt *cough*harryt*cough*.

you have no idea what you're talking about. i can't believe you were actually accepted into a post secondary institution. your probably the only person on earth with an IQ in the negatives. go back to langara you cuntscab.

hahahahhaha i like you man, we should be friends lol

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/ihatemutants/trollin.jpg

[TRDood]

I wasn't referring to a fresh grad student. I was refering to a student, who has worked or/and done 5 semesters of co-op.

Guessing everyone is "assuming" I am referring to fresh grad students.

I think we are giving suggestions to the OP, and he is a student who is about to or having entry level experience.

Yes, if you are 40 and have been working for 20 years, grades do not matter because you probably forgot everything that you learned in school already.

But for the OP, he is probably 20 years old, and have little to none professional experience.

It's been 2 pages and he still haven't responded yet? hmmm.

[ASG111]

Nice to see we are getting some sort of discussion here.

Just to clarify things, for this class, profs mark all the assignments/exams. And for the record, I received an A- for the final exam which was worth 50% of the mark. I am going to go through with the appeal and see how it goes.

I love the argument that you guys are discussing above, but I agree with the majority of you, of that grades do in fact matter, especially when you are fresh out in the workforce right after your grad.

It is only an exception that grades don't matter when you've worked 4-5 years or so, but of course, this DOES NOT APPLY here as stated, because this is a CAMPUS forum, which means this is an area/environment for students that are currently still attending Post-secondary. It is pretty absurd how you (HarryT) mention that the topic of marks don't matter should be applied to a student who has worked full time before at a reputable company or has done "5 co-op semesters". On average, people only do 2 co-ops and get out at SFU, how often do you see 5?

It's funny how you started one claim of "marks don't matter", then listed all the assumptions that you were using after you were getting trashed. Anyways, this is pretty much an end of thread cause it is getting way more attention that it deserves and the argument is just going in circles. I say we go back to whatever we were doing... and HarryT, well, you can keep on thinking marks don't matter until bright students jump over whatever you were doing for 5-10 years in less than 2 years.

[TRDood]

Nice to see we are getting some sort of discussion here.

Just to clarify things, for this class, profs mark all the assignments/exams. And for the record, I received an A- for the final exam which was worth 50% of the mark. I am going to go through with the appeal and see how it goes.

I love the argument that you guys are discussing above, but I agree with the majority of you, of that grades do in fact matter, especially when you are fresh out in the workforce right after your grad.

It is only an exception that grades don't matter when you've worked 4-5 years or so, but of course, this DOES NOT APPLY here as stated, because this is a CAMPUS forum, which means this is an area/environment for students that are currently still attending Post-secondary. It is pretty absurd how you (HarryT) mention that the topic of marks don't matter should be applied to a student who has worked full time before at a reputable company or has done "5 co-op semesters". On average, people only do 2 co-ops and get out at SFU, how often do you see 5?

It's funny how you started one claim of "marks don't matter", then listed all the assumptions that you were using after you were getting trashed. Anyways, this is pretty much an end of thread cause it is getting way more attention that it deserves and the argument is just going in circles. I say we go back to whatever we were doing... and HarryT, well, you can keep on thinking marks don't matter until bright students jump over whatever you were doing for 5-10 years in less than 2 years.

Interesting. Assuming the A- in your final exam is already curved and given your assignments/projects are above Bs, the next step is to ask the professor if they have recorded your marks correctly.

If all that have been verified and you still have a B, ask the professor for a justification. (Keep in mind, grades are inputted by the professor on their go.sfu account. However, I don't know how hard it is to change it after submission.)

[TRDood]

I won't be taking it this semester. I still have to do math 150 to get into the class. I'll probably aim for it in the spring.

Dude, Harryt, your posts in this thread make it seems like you are finished with your degree and have been working for a while. Looking at your posts in the SFU thread, you are a 1st/2nd year student!?!?

You have a longgggggggggggggggggg way to go. When I was at your age, I thought marks didn't matter too. But usually it's an excuse for people who don't want to study hard at school. Do your share of studying when you are a student, and don't pull those experience vs. grades bullshit.

Trust me, as a student, do your job and study hard. This is coming from a graduate student and have been a SFU student for 6 years.

[misteranswer]

Ask your professor for more details as to how he came to the conclusion that your final grade is a B. Is your "A-" on your final exam the result of a relative marking scheme or absolute?

[goo3]

^ yeah, OP, why don't you ask for an explanation before appealing?


And do grades matter?

for jobs that don't need you to be book smart, no. They'd have a minimum level in mind, but the interview probably matters more where they try to find a good fit.

for jobs that do and want you to pick up what you were taught, yes.

Not all jobs place value on the same things. And grades only tell part of the story - they don't tell you anything about someone's communication skills, ppl skills, street smarts, etc..

For big companies, they look for the best..

[carsncars]

How about this, guys:

Marks do matter--but they aren't the only thing that matter. "Anybody" can't get an A average (in most programs): if you show up with a 3.9-4.0 average, it shows that you have great work ethic, are committed, and have good capacity for learning.

However, your attitude, personality, etc., are all factors in the hiring decision. If you've got an A average, but are completely intolerable, have no contact with the outside world other than obviously you're not really hireable. On the flipside, if you show up with a B average, but are very personable, enthusiastic, and have some relevant experience under your belt, those are all pros in your favour too.

Then, as has been mentioned before, there's the fact that different jobs weigh different qualities more heavily (still, scraping by with a 2.0 GPA will cause a few questions in most employers' minds), and the fact that as you grow further away from university, your experience is of greater importance than your GPA.

But in terms of getting that first job--I think a solid GPA does help quite a bit in most cases. Not the be-all-end-all--experience and personality are also marks in your favour--but it's one more way to differentiate yourself from other applicants.

^Disclaimer: the above is for the kind of jobs you apply for out of college. Not for a job as a construction worker, electrician, mechanic, etc...

That said, OP, I probably wouldn't appeal in your case. The professor isn't obligated to give out a certain number of A's, B's, etc.--my first response would be to sit down with the professor and go over your exam/paper/what-have-you (in a way that doesn't say "give me more marks"). If he shows that he marked it consistently and in a rational way, then you're probably SOL and risk more by making the appeal.

[snowball]

Marks are like good looks. It might offer you many opportunities but not many will keep you if you don't have a whole package. Getting a job with your grades won't necessarily ensure that you can keep that job after five years if you lack the personality for it.

Unfortunately, most corporations will close the door on you if you don't have the grades. If you're in finance, health or law, it matters to them that you have good grades. I'm not saying it's right that there are more doors open for a 4.0 then a 3.98, but that's the way the system is and we have to work our way around it.

Then again I also disagree with many of you saying that grades are THAT important, a person who leaves university with a 2.5 isn't necessarily worse off than someone who leaves with a 4.0, in the end they both have degrees and it depends on how they use it.

Grades, especially in university are so subjective. Professors can manipulate grades so easily by changing some numbers here and there.

To the OP, if you think the prof's system is so unfair and that you really did produce quality work I say go and dispute it. The system won't change if everyone just bent over and took it in the ass from your prof. The university will continually be unaware of your prof's faults if no one ever says anything.

Also, what kind of "lifelong learning" educational system are we promoting if we are discouraged to explore areas outside our comfort level because we fear bad grades? Those who get good marks are often doing what they're already good at to get that high GPA.

[orange7]

I'll try again, only because I feel sorry for you.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.

Quite a few companies do look at your grades, for example Pepsi, IBM or TELUS, if you apply for their post-grad management/leadership programs.


this gave my a heck of a time to read.

[Eff-1]

I'm strictly talking about some one out there, who's looking for work. And not a fresh grad either.


Nobody cares!

Can't believe you actually posted on my visitors wall because of this thread. Now all I hear is the sound of your credibility going down the toilet. *Flush*

[Harryt]

Nobody cares!

Can't believe you actually posted on my visitors wall because of this thread. Now all I hear is the sound of your credibility going down the toilet. *Flush*
It's okay to be jealous.. I understand no worries man.

[Professir]

harryt im more jealous of oprah's ancient vagina than i am of you. if i had a choice, i would rather be reincarnated as sheep poo than to be revived into your uglyass body. harryt, even if grades arn't that important, logic is one hell of a valuable skill if you wish to succeed in life. apparently, you have none, most likely caused by your parents being brother and sister before their marriage. why don't you actually use that infinitesimally small brain of yours to conjure an articulate response, backed with solid evidence, rather than be a little bitch and make generic statements like "It's okay to be jealous.. I understand no worries man. "

[Harryt]

harryt im more jealous of oprah's ancient vagina than i am of you. if i had a choice, i would rather be reincarnated as sheep poo than to be revived into your uglyass body. harryt, even if grades arn't that important, logic is one hell of a valuable skill if you wish to succeed in life. apparently, you have none, most likely caused by your parents being brother and sister before their marriage. why don't you actually use that infinitesimally small brain of yours to conjure an articulate response, backed with solid evidence, rather than be a little bitch and make generic statements like "It's okay to be jealous.. I understand no worries man. "


Haha another person who is jealous! Nice, it's okay man. I understand.

It's quite funny though. You throw insults at me and curses etc.. and yet say your the mature one? I never once swore or insulted anyone in a personal way. Shows how mature most people are here these days... I rather be more mature and respect people. Than to act like I'm all that, insult people and act like i'm better than them.

So go ahead curse more at the end of the day it will show you have no respect for anyone. Doesn't matter if their smart or stupid, you should never lose respect for people. I'm sure at the end of the day people reading this will know who the real idiots are... the people who can't come in and disgaree or agree in a mature manner.

So good work for the ones who just have to throw insults. You are so much better than ANYONE who has lower marks then you. Your insults and no respect for anyone makes you such good people.

And for those who came out and posted maturely I thank you for your comments even if you agreed or disagreed. At least you have the decency to post your opinion without having to insult someone. :thumbsup:

[Eff-1]

I rather be more mature and respect people.

you posted "noob toob" on my profile wall

that's your idea of mature? :lol

[Eff-1]

It's okay to be jealous.. I understand no worries man.

Jealous of what?

[bomberben69]

hahahahha harrytroll, gtfo