[4runner21]

Hey guys,

My brother & sister-in-law are having their first child soon.
She insists she wants her kid in private school.

Anyone know how much it is anually at a place like Archbishop Carney?

Prices for elementary and secondary.

Couldn't find it on their site...anyone attend there and could fill me in?

Thanks

PS I should point out that there's a little debate going on concerning how expensive it is and that's why I ask.

[Gt-R R34]

West Point Grey and St.George is roughly $10,000 a year.

So i'd take that as range.

[woob]

Ummm since AC is a Catholic school, I think it's classified as independent, not "private", which means that some of its tuition is still subsidized by the government.

Not really sure about Carney specifically(didn't some girls get expelled from their high school a few years ago for blowing guys on the dance floor of a VC dance?), but growing up in the Catholic school system, my elementary school was ~120/month when I graduated 7th grade, and my high school was ~3000-4000/year (tuition increased over the 5 years).

But yeah figure out if it's private or independent. That distinction makes a huge difference. You might also try calling the school?

[skillznrice]

hey, heres the website for the elementary school
http://www.assumptionschool.com/
and the website for the secondary school
http://www.acrss.org/

I went to both, as archbishop relies on tuition and generosity of its community.
>pm me if you have more questions :thumbsup:

[Wetordry]

All for the 2010 / 2011 school year:

$15k St Georges Elementary
$17k St Georges Secondary

$16k Croften House K-12

$15k West Point Grey Elementary
$17k West Point Grey Secondary

$6k Vancouver College K-12

Not too sure about AC, but I would peg tuition @ 10k+

[lowside67]

And it is worth noting most of these schools also have a mandatory donation each year which is substantial (ie another few k at minimum).

[TheNewGirl]

Most of the Catholic/Christian Academies run about 10K a year (I looked into BC Christian Academy for my daughter). There are additional costs as well such as Uniforms and misc equipment that I would put at about 1K a year, especially in elementry school when your kids can sprout up a few sizes a year.

You should find out WHY she insists on private/independant schools for her children. There's advantages and disadvantages to them depending on her end goal (to me the low student to teacher ratio is a HUGE plus and would be worth the 10K a year if I had it to spend). But some children do not do better in a more regimented program and they have to maintain a high GPA to remain in the school or they get the boot (and thus making all the prior years a waste of a large amount of money).

A lot of people say when they have their first child 'I'm going to make sure they go to private school' and the like but when faced with the reality of these expenses find that it's just not feasable.

[TheNewGirl]

And it is worth noting most of these schools also have a mandatory donation each year which is substantial (ie another few k at minimum).

And regular tithing for independant Catholic schools. Carney uses your donation envelopes at the Catholic Church to verify your family's participation, meaning you have to be attending Mass Weekly and paying your tithe weekly to get the lower rate for your children's participation in the school.

If you aren't a member of the parish or a practicing Catholic the tuition is markedly higher (about double).

[fliptuner]

(I looked into BC Christian Academy for my daughter)

I don't know how far along your daughter is in her education or if she's even started but my son went to Lord Baden Powell (near Blue Mtn./Austin). A lot of the parents had their kids in nearby private schools and decided to transfer them to LBP. Money was not an issue - the school is absolutely great.

[TheNewGirl]

I don't know how far along your daughter is in her education or if she's even started but my son went to Lord Baden Powell (near Blue Mtn./Austin). A lot of the parents had their kids in nearby private schools and decided to transfer them to LBP. Money was not an issue - the school is absolutely great.

She's in grade 5 now and actually found a good school in my district (43 has some real hidden gems). It just took a couple years to find one that I was happy with as my daughter has some learning issues her first school wouldn't assist with. Finding one that would made an absolutely massive differance in the quality of her education and her approach to school as a whole.

Now I've got to start investigating middle school options given I have like 3 to choose from.

[Skittlez160]

I went to VC and graduated in 2000. Back then we were only paying around $3000 per year. As mentioned above it's now around $6000, which is reasonable IMO compared to others.

I'm not sure how it works with other independant/private schools, but with VC you can apply for a bursary. I don't remember all the criteria but as long as the student maintains their grades and behaves, the school will cover a portion of your tuition. Each year the coverages usually gets bigger. By the time I graduated my tuition was down to $1000 for the year.

[Skittlez160]

And regular tithing for independant Catholic schools. Carney uses your donation envelopes at the Catholic Church to verify your family's participation, meaning you have to be attending Mass Weekly and paying your tithe weekly to get the lower rate for your children's participation in the school.

If you aren't a member of the parish or a practicing Catholic the tuition is markedly higher (about double).

We never had to attend our parish regularly but we did have to do donations or mandatory volunteer hours from our parents. I remember that one or both parents had to put in a minimum of 25hours of volunteer time or pay a certain amount as a donation. My mom would come in every second Friday for her volunteer work. She would work with the receptionist to call the parents of the children who called in sick or absent.

[fliptuner]

She's in grade 5 now and actually found a good school in my district (43 has some real hidden gems). It just took a couple years to find one that I was happy with as my daughter has some learning issues her first school wouldn't assist with. Finding one that would made an absolutely massive differance in the quality of her education and her approach to school as a whole.

Now I've got to start investigating middle school options given I have like 3 to choose from.

So does my son. They did absolutely everything they could at LBP - SLP, OT, full-time SEA, and tons of resources. This carried over at Como Lake Middle.

[twitchyzero]

if it's mandatory it's not called donation lol

[Girl]

Boss's kids go there, he gets irritable when I remind him that September is close. LOL $30K right there.

[ajax]

Damn some of those school are almost of $20k a year?! No wonder they can afford charter busses and all that jazz. Needless to say, those charter busses usually didn't help when they played some of the public schools who came in their big yellow ones.
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[Jermyzy]

All for the 2010 / 2011 school year:

$15k St Georges Elementary
$17k St Georges Secondary

$16k Croften House K-12

$15k West Point Grey Elementary
$17k West Point Grey Secondary

$6k Vancouver College K-12

Not too sure about AC, but I would peg tuition @ 10k+

Holy cow, when I went to St Georges ~10 years ago, tuition was about $8-9k and I already thought that was a lot!

[taylor192]

My GF's daughter is at York House, tuition is $15K/yr. There are other costs, as these school require special uniforms, certain supplies, many trips, donated time/money, ... as well as some "hidden" costs like spring break is 2 weeks long not 1, and they have a few more days off, and start later/end earlier. Thus if you only get 3 weeks vacation a year, all 3 weeks will be spent taking care of a child at home during the school year with none left for the summer.

I'll admit the education is much better, yet the kids are socially awkward. Put them with kids in public schools and they seem lost, since most of their lives are very regimented with little free play time and a huge focus on success.

To picture what I mean, think of kids playing a game. Most kids will alter the rules to make the game more interesting/fun. Yet the private school kid is used to playing exactly by the rules and doesn't know what to do when the rules change. They didn't learn the skills to adapt to, nor to negotiate with their peers cause some adult always organizes their activities.

Then there is the whole notion of why they are sent to private school in the first place: better education to serve them better later in life.

This might be fine in the US, where a kid can attend a private university with other successful students. Yet if they stay here in Canada eventually they attend university with all the other public students, without the social skills to get ahead. I am a public school grad, with a 93% from HS and 11/12 in university (17th overall in engineering) and will say my marks have not gotten me ahead, my social skills have. I watch people around me, smarter than me, not climbing the corporate ladder cause they don't have the leadership/management/soft skills needed.

It could also work against them. Private schools advertise "university rates of 99%" yet university doesn't guarantee you a good job anymore. With 25% of students graduating university, this stat becomes more meaningless.

Then there is the money. If I had $Ms I wouldn't hesitate to send my kids to private school. If I could afford it, yet it would be tight, then no way. My mother spent tons putting my brother and I in various afterschool programs (tennis, painting, photography, ...) and money spent there is better than on just private school.

Money buys a lot of things in life. Consider the possibilities an 18yo HS grad could have with $300K. $300K is the $15K/yr tuition invested at 6%. With $300K they could decide to do anything they wanted. Or their retirement would be completely paid for. $300K invested at 6% for 37years (55yo retirement) would pay ~$50K/yr in retirement.

[taylor192]

Holy cow, when I went to St Georges ~10 years ago, tuition was about $8-9k and I already thought that was a lot!

Did you end up with a 6 figure salary job? If not, the return on investment probably wasn't worth it.... although after being in St Georges, that school is pretty friggin nice.

[Great68]

My wife is an LFA graduate, so I have had this debate with her before whenever we bring up any future plans for kids.

Her LFA education did not give her anything the public system couldn't, other than mandatory religion classes, which I could give less than 2 shits about.

[insomniac]

i was in Vancouver Montessori (elementary) about 6 years ago. it was roughly $6k a year.. dont know about now though.

[twitchyzero]

Yet if they stay here in Canada eventually they attend university with all the other public students, without the social skills to get ahead. .

So true. But if the parents have the money there's a good chance they'll be going to a good school in the US as well.

I don't know, I look at my friends that did IB and they had half of first year completed before university started. I think IB/AP served as a good transition to university. As far as social skills in IB/AP..there's seems to be a mix. But personally i think coming from BC public high school the transition was quite difficult..They had their shit pat-down by the end of the first semester while most of us regular HS grads may take up to 2nd and 3rd year to get used to the 'flow'.

[dinamix]

private school is stupid. i went to VC from K-gr10. Outside religious studies, its pretty much the same shit. Send your kids to a public school and put their tuiton towards university.

Most private schoolers are pricks anyways

[unit]

seems like private school kids turn out worse than public school in terms of behavior.
also, the programs are often not as good (depends on which school).
for example my gf's school didnt have IB or even a lot of AP classes (less students, less interest)

also, once they're out of private school, they end up having less friends than those who came out of public school.
its true what they say that your hs friends end up being the friends you keep when you're older.

[Not really racist!]

Anybody go to Norte Dame? Or however you spell it?

They must of made a big ass buck cause they got a huge reno going on, looks really nice too

[quasi]

My wife is an LFA graduate, so I have had this debate with her before whenever we bring up any future plans for kids.

Her LFA education did not give her anything the public system couldn't, other than mandatory religion classes, which I could give less than 2 shits about.

Ya, my wife went to private school as well. The only thing it offered besides the religion classes was less electives and choices during highschool. I wouldn't put my child in Private school even if it was free.

[m4k4v4li]

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[TheNewGirl]

So true. But if the parents have the money there's a good chance they'll be going to a good school in the US as well.

I don't know, I look at my friends that did IB and they had half of first year completed before university started. I think IB/AP served as a good transition to university. As far as social skills in IB/AP..there's seems to be a mix. But personally i think coming from BC public high school the transition was quite difficult..They had their shit pat-down by the end of the first semester while most of us regular HS grads may take up to 2nd and 3rd year to get used to the 'flow'.

I did a mix of AP and regular courses and I thought that was a fantastic transition. AP taught me how to write uni level papers (which they don't do properly in standard classes) and how to take tests that were far harder then standard High School tests. These skills more than the knowledge I learned in the classed were probably the biggest benifit I took from them when I went to do my post secondary.

[taylor192]

I don't know, I look at my friends that did IB and they had half of first year completed before university started. I think IB/AP served as a good transition to university. As far as social skills in IB/AP..there's seems to be a mix. But personally i think coming from BC public high school the transition was quite difficult..They had their shit pat-down by the end of the first semester while most of us regular HS grads may take up to 2nd and 3rd year to get used to the 'flow'.
What is IB and AP?

I went to HS in Ontario and we had advanced classes and grade 13. The extra year in HS was fantastic, yet almost a duplicate of 1st year university.

I did see kids from some of the eastern provinces struggle with the 1st year curriculum, yet it seemed they learned less in grade 12 than we did in Ontario.

[Mizter]

^AP = Advance Placement (not 100% but I think that's it is)
IB = International Baccalaureate

I took IB in HS(public) and thought it was quite worth my two years since I went straight into 2nd year university.

[Vinny G]

To be honest, private school kids at UBC/SFU are the biggest try-hards I've ever seen. I don't think a single one of them has touched alcohol until university. Also seems like smoking weed is equivalent to snorting cocaine (for them), lol.

I don't think private school makes a big difference. I know a lot of (Asian) students from LFA and Point Grey and I'm much further ahead of them in terms of career and networking. In fact, I've noticed that a lot of them try to turn into a "party everyday" person... I guess to compensate for their miserable high school lives.

Great points btw, taylor. Your posts are always very interesting and informative.

[flagella]

lol, if the parenting is shitty and kids are going to fail, it won't matter private or public.

[Gumby]

I've noticed that a lot of private school kids, once they go into university, go nuts. It's because they've been stuck within the rules for most of their high school lives. Once they're done high school, it's almost like they got out of jail.

(For the record, I went to private school from gr 6-12)

[TheNewGirl]

^AP = Advance Placement (not 100% but I think that's it is)
IB = International Baccalaureate

I took IB in HS(public) and thought it was quite worth my two years since I went straight into 2nd year university.

Only specific schools offer IB, for the most part you have to take the whole program which means they have to have teachers qualified to teach first year collage level courses in their entire spectrum of offerings (your average high school teacher does not fit the bill).

Some high schools that do not offer the IB program offer AP (advanced placement) in the range of classes they do have qualified teachers to teach also AP works very well for students who are excelling in some subjects but not in everything.

AP in some subjects are also additional electives to the regular (required) level in the course. So for example I took English 12, got an A+ and took AP Lit 12 the next term (which transfered as my first year college english cred when I went to post secondary later). I took Social Sciences 12 and then grabbed the AP courses for it, which at my school were Law & Sociology (again they carried over as first year credits).

Essentially I got my first year college breadth requirements done in my last semester of high school.

If you do IB you get almost your whole first year of uni done by the end of great 12.

[Greenstoner]

my buddie's youngest sister went to private high school, where my buddy and his brother are both in regular high school.

His sister graduated from Gr.12 about 2 years ago and is doing fuck all and not even attending school lol

where my buddy went to BCIT and got a CGA and his brother went to SFU and grad from commerce. lol

I found it funny, the sister got too spoiled and just ruin it

Not to mention the 2 bothers shared the same vehicle (self-bought) since high school and the sister recived her first vehicle from daddy after 17 and crashed it within a week.. what a joke

[Great68]

its true what they say that your hs friends end up being the friends you keep when you're older.

Not really.

I have only kept in touch with one friend from highschool, but only because we were actually friends since grade 1. Other than that the people I hang out with nowadays were all people I met after high school.

[Mizter]

Only specific schools offer IB, for the most part you have to take the whole program which means they have to have teachers qualified to teach first year collage level courses in their entire spectrum of offerings (your average high school teacher does not fit the bill).

Some high schools that do not offer the IB program offer AP (advanced placement) in the range of classes they do have qualified teachers to teach also AP works very well for students who are excelling in some subjects but not in everything.

AP in some subjects are also additional electives to the regular (required) level in the course. So for example I took English 12, got an A+ and took AP Lit 12 the next term (which transfered as my first year college english cred when I went to post secondary later). I took Social Sciences 12 and then grabbed the AP courses for it, which at my school were Law & Sociology (again they carried over as first year credits).

Essentially I got my first year college breadth requirements done in my last semester of high school.

If you do IB you get almost your whole first year of uni done by the end of great 12.

Yup that's correct. If I'm not mistaken there is 1-2 schools in each district that offers IB. Not sure about AP but either way both programs should give students a leg-up in university.

[TheNewGirl]

Yeah like in District 43 (the tri cities) you can only get IB at Port Moody Sr. But Terry Fox and Riverside both offer AP courses. To get the most out of the AP courses you need a school where there's a semester system. So you can take your regular credits in your first semester and your AP in second. Or you can do regular 11s first semester grade 11, grade 12 courses in second semester grade 11 and APs all the way through your 'grade 12' year.

[Jermyzy]

Did you end up with a 6 figure salary job? If not, the return on investment probably wasn't worth it.... although after being in St Georges, that school is pretty friggin nice.

Yes I did, but to be honest, I probably would have ended up in my current profession regardless of which high school I went to. The one thing I did like about St. George's was that they made after-school sports program mandatory. At the time I hated it, b/c I was a short scrawny Chinese kid, but once I got into university and bulked up a little I was able to play intramural sports which I really enjoyed!

[insomniac]

honestly, i think going to a private elementary school is next to useless. same with going to tutors at elementary age cause i think its just a waste of money unless your kid is under the average learning level. however, going to a private school during high school would be more beneficial. the environment is alot better cause there arnt that many fags, you wont catch bad habits (smoking, partying etc)

my mom has been forcing me to go to tutor for the past 5 years and i try alot of different tutors. it depends of what type of kid you have.. for me im a totally independent person and i think having a tutor is a waste of money and time.
i went to vcc and vancouver montessori and teaching styles were completely different from public schools. they used objects to teach with i thought was pretty creative and a but the downside was that there was no homework at all. so when i went to high school i got fucked over cause i didnt know how to study and didnt do my homework..

[Great68]

honestly, i think going to a private elementary school is next to useless. same with going to tutors at elementary age cause i think its just a waste of money unless your kid is under the average learning level. however, going to a private school during high school would be more beneficial. the environment is alot better cause there arnt that many fags, you wont catch bad habits (smoking, partying etc)

my mom has been forcing me to go to tutor for the past 5 years and i try alot of different tutors. it depends of what type of kid you have.. for me im a totally independent person and i think having a tutor is a waste of money and time.
i went to vcc and vancouver montessori and teaching styles were completely different from public schools. they used objects to teach with i thought was pretty creative and a but the downside was that there was no homework at all. so when i went to high school i got fucked over cause i didnt know how to study and didnt do my homework..

Nothing wrong with partying?
I partied in high school and still manage to pull off honour roll...

The best kids were the ones that could balance both a social life and get good grades. Most of the kids who would get 95%+ in every single subject (except for maybe P.E.) were introverted geeks with no friends.

[insomniac]

Nothing wrong with partying?
I partied in high school and still manage to pull off honour roll...



plenty of people party and can get honor roll/principles list.
but what party nowadays doesnt include weed?
unless youre a geek and start a LAN party LOL
even if you can turn people down still..


The best kids were the ones that could balance both a social life and get good grades. Most of the kids who would get 95%+ in every single subject (except for maybe P.E.) were introverted geeks with no friends.
i agree.. the ones that get the highest grades are probably the gamers though..

[Sid Vicious]

you wont catch bad habits (smoking, partying etc)



sounds like you need to get a life

[insomniac]

sounds like you need to get a life

so you're saying that i need to smoke weed to have a life? :rolleyes:

[woob]

No but I wouldn't say partying is a bad habit.