[Culverin]

This kind of blurs the line between health and fashion, but I thought I'd just throw it down here.

Hair Gel/Mud/Glue or whatever, I'm looking for a better product.

I've always used to cheap stuff growing up, but I want a bit more out of my product now.

The cheap stuff gets hard, cracks and flakes.
The slightly less cheap stuff still gets hard, and flakes still.

Ideally, I'm looking for something that shapes, but is still flexible (retouchable?).
I ride, so something that won't come off and gross up my helmet either.

Just thought you guys might have some suggestions on stuff to check out.

thanks!

[Spidey]

flexible pastes:

d-fi molding cream
http://www.hairsupermarket.com/p/4438

american crew forming cream
http://www.hairsupermarket.com/p/1570

two are very similar products but the d fi smells better (pina colada)

creams:

my favourite cream is redken work hard paste
http://www.lookfantastic.com/hair/redken/redken-for-men/redken-for-men-work-hard-power-paste.html


All are restylable and do not flake. the redken i like a lot because it gives a semi matte finish... not shiny but not dull.

other lines that are very good are,

http://www.groomingmen.com/

http://www.woodysgrooming.com/

have fun! expect to pay 15-20 bucks for each.. should last you a while though as you don't need a crap load like you would with fructis axe etc... also there are a couple places in richmond and metro that sell substantially cheaper than at hair salons.

[cdizzle_996]

I've been using Got2be Glued for years.

[Spidey]

I've been using Got2be Glued for years.

dude, that shit dries before you can even style your hair properly.. and once its styled.. if you rub yoru hair in any why it gets soft and flaky... and not to mention, the stuff pulls out more hair than it holds

[SkinnyPupp]

I use Gatsby Perfect Hold Wax (http://www.kakoistyle.com/140-gatsby-perfect-hold-wax-extra-hard.html) with a bit of Gatsby Technical Design Clay (http://www.kakoistyle.com/199-gatsby-technical-design-clay.html). These are their "higher end" products compared to Moving Rubber. I also finish with hair spray, they last all day this way. Really I could probably get away with 2 days if I just add some water in the morning :lol

[illicitstylz]

+1 to gatsby. Tried several "western" brands like garnier/alberto etc but Gatsby does it so much better. Supposedly it's designed for asian hair so that's why it works so well. So if you're asian, you should try it lol.

[SkinnyPupp]

It works fine for me, and I am not asian. Most of our customers aren't asian either. And I've never seen them claim it was for asian hair either. It's just a japanese product, so they of course only market to Japan.

The most important thing is to get the right product for your hair type, whether you are asian or not is irrelevant.

[Girl]

Thread has been moved to Fashion and Shopping thread :p


-Fitness & Health Mod Team

[Culverin]

Well, the labels never say for what kind of hair type.
I've got really coarse hair that doesn't behave itself.

If I let it grow, it just 'fros out.

SkinnyPupp, are you a stylist???

The Gatsby stuff sounds interesting.
Will look into it, any local sources, or am I better off hunting it down online?

[SkinnyPupp]

No, my wife runs a site that sells Japanese styling products, including Gatsby.

I am pretty familiar with their products.. If you let me know what your hair type/style is maybe I can help.

[gars]

flexible pastes:

d-fi molding cream
http://www.hairsupermarket.com/p/4438

american crew forming cream
http://www.hairsupermarket.com/p/1570

two are very similar products but the d fi smells better (pina colada)

creams:

my favourite cream is redken work hard paste
http://www.lookfantastic.com/hair/redken/redken-for-men/redken-for-men-work-hard-power-paste.html


All are restylable and do not flake. the redken i like a lot because it gives a semi matte finish... not shiny but not dull.

other lines that are very good are,

http://www.groomingmen.com/

http://www.woodysgrooming.com/

have fun! expect to pay 15-20 bucks for each.. should last you a while though as you don't need a crap load like you would with fructis axe etc... also there are a couple places in richmond and metro that sell substantially cheaper than at hair salons.

I found a place on 4th Ave and Arbutus that carries the first 3... not sure about the other ones. Prices seemed better than what I've seen around town. I can't remember the name, I'll head back and get a name if you're interested.

[iam_dan]

i found that i liked Uno (Red) more than the gatsby products. ive tried their wax and it wasnt for me..so i dunno

[Culverin]

No, my wife runs a site that sells Japanese styling products, including Gatsby.

I am pretty familiar with their products.. If you let me know what your hair type/style is maybe I can help.

My hair is coarse, I wouldn't call it particularly healthy, but it's definitely not bad hair either.
Because of it's coarseness, I have always found myself leaning towards strong/stiff products.
I've never liked how hard products tend to form a hard "case" around hair, and I would prefer to go with something a bit more natural, and restylable (meaning not hard, flaky and won't "crack").

I've got short/medium length hair, and I cut it myself.
I can't pull off the pretty boy teen idol layered look, so I style towards a messy/spiked look.

The hair on the sides of my head tend to stick out and I think it looks horrid.
Once again, my coarse misbehaving hair tends to force me to get strong products to keep that side hair tamed.


Now that I ride, I end up wearing a helmet most of the time I'm out.
My very strong preference is that I can style my hair, give it about 10 minutes to dry or set, then put on my helmet without it rubbing into the liner and grossing it up. Is this even possible with a restylable product?

hahahaha, is that enough info for you?



i found that i liked Uno (Red) more than the gatsby products. ive tried their wax and it wasnt for me..so i dunno

Why do you like the Uno stuff more than the gatsby stuff?
Can you explain?


Gars,
Finding it out about that place would be most helpful.
Maybe I can even go in and see about a hair cut.
It's been years since I went to somebody else to do my hair.

cheers guys!

[Spidey]

I use Gatsby Perfect Hold Wax (http://www.kakoistyle.com/140-gatsby-perfect-hold-wax-extra-hard.html) with a bit of Gatsby Technical Design Clay (http://www.kakoistyle.com/199-gatsby-technical-design-clay.html). These are their "higher end" products compared to Moving Rubber. I also finish with hair spray, they last all day this way. Really I could probably get away with 2 days if I just add some water in the morning :lol

doesnt it defeat the purpose of using he exp stuff if you finish with hairspray? you might as well use a supermarket hair cream.

also, along the lines of western stuff. you cant compare gatsby to say fructis and alberto... it is like comparing motomaster oil to mobil 1. have you tried woodys or american crew or lsb, redken etc...

[DiiCii]

just like you, i've been using the cheap stuff growing up as well xD. right now, i'm trying garnier fructis products. i'm actually liking the goo they have, i bought the mangahead one. but it really depends what type of hair style you're going for. if you have long hair, wax is the way to go. and for short like mine: i've been going for the taeyang hair style for quite a while and i use goo for it. if i wake up with a bad bedhead, i use goo. if my hair's normal, i use gel LOL:lol

here's taeyang's hair LOL

[SkinnyPupp]

doesnt it defeat the purpose of using he exp stuff if you finish with hairspray? you might as well use a supermarket hair cream.

also, along the lines of western stuff. you cant compare gatsby to say fructis and alberto... it is like comparing motomaster oil to mobil 1. have you tried woodys or american crew or lsb, redken etc...
Not if you use good hairspray too. Some people may need it, others don't. It depends on the hair style. The wax/clay/whatever styles the hair, the hairspray keeps it in place.

I haven't used cheap hair products since high school. I used to use "Xtah" for a long time, then tried some "Osis" for a while, both salon brands. I switched to Gatsby a while ago, and am happy with the combo I am using.

[timmytimtimtim]

Is there anywhere in Richmond or near Metrotown that has a good selection of Gatsby for a good price?

I saw on another thread that said T&T carries Gatsby but I've never seen it.

[DiiCii]

^ there's a store in crystal mall! i believe it's on the first floor when you enter. it has a lot of hair products there, there's a rack of them beside the cashier:)

[RevYouUp]

aberdeen sells it, its in that cosmetics shop. I think they also have it sometimes at cube inc.

[ShadowBun]

I swear by Sebastian wax

[Culverin]

just like you, i've been using the cheap stuff growing up as well xD. right now, i'm trying garnier fructis products. i'm actually liking the goo they have, i bought the mangahead one. but it really depends what type of hair style you're going for. if you have long hair, wax is the way to go. and for short like mine: i've been going for the taeyang hair style for quite a while and i use goo for it. if i wake up with a bad bedhead, i use goo. if my hair's normal, i use gel LOL:lol

here's taeyang's hair LOL

Wow, I'm using the exact same product, and it's has the exact hard, crusty properties I've been describing.
I thought it would be a good step up from that cheap crap, but it's obviously not what I've been looking for.


I swear by Sebastian wax
Is there a local source for this stuff?

It sounds like I've got a bit of testing ahead of me.

[DiiCii]

^ hahaha, yeah give gatsby a try, you'll like it:thumbsup:

[TheStreetDream]

I use both garnier fructis wax and hairspray, I also have short hair. Feels like the best combo and I only got it for 5$? Was on sale at superstore before :D

[Derek_N84]

KMS paste, I wanna give Gatsby a try though.

[AzNightmare]

If you have short spikey hair like the typical CBC guy, there's no need for these styling clay wax stuff.
Your hair is too short to work with.

If you have asian honger/japanese/korea hair style, it's worth it to invest in Gatsby or something like that.
Be creative and have fun.

btw, buy Gatsby at the Cube in Aberdeen. It's the cheapest place I know of so far, at $13.
Some places could sell them for up to $20. Craigslist "Gatbsy" or "Gatsby Wax".
From time to time, I've seen ads with people selling brand new sealed ones for $10.

[ShadowBun]

Is there a local source for this stuff?

I got it off ebay for $15. Been using it for a year and not even 20% used yet.

I used to use gatsby too but its too hard to wash off and its overrated. There are better brands (ie. the one i said) if you do a bit more of google-ing.

[iam_dan]

Why do you like the Uno stuff more than the gatsby stuff?
Can you explain?


my comparison is the Uno (red) and the Gatsby (grey).
i prefer uno over gatsby because the hold stays longer if you arent using hairspray. you can get a more fluffier or chunkier look than the gatsby (grey), depending on how long you mess it up.

i suggest if you choose gatsby first, maybe when you run out, give uno a try. (or other way around)

even though these brands are import.. they are still in the lower end of the spectrum, athough they are better than any supermarket stuff we have here. its just that..they are the better products of the lower end, pretty much.

[Culverin]

Hmmm, after flipping through the gatsby site, it seems there is also something called "moving rubber" series.

Contains Moving Rubber that creates resilient finish and makes it possible to restyle as many times as you want.
Contains newly developed " smooth polymer" that creates a less sticky and light finish.

Anybody try this out yet?

With my motorcycle helmet, I'm just worried whatever I'll wear will come and and gross up the inner liner.
The restyling part sounds rather appealing, there's no way I can style my hair, and put on a helmet and expect it to stay intact.
Restyling would be nice, then I can just fluff up my hair after I pull the helmet off I guess?


iam_dan, that Uno stuff sounds rather intriguing.
I'm really not used to having hair longer than 1/2", and despite it killing looks, I've been thinning it out for comfort. Something to fake volume would be cool.

man, I never knew I was such a girl :rofl:

[mowontech]

any of you guys know any good natural hair waxes?
My experience, gatsby isn't really good for hair...
I'm using redken right now but not sure if its really good for the hair either.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you find Moving Rubber to be too 'gunky' especially when it comes to washing out the next day, you might want to try Gatsby Perfect Hold Wax (http://www.kakoistyle.com/search.php?orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=perfect+hold+wax&submit_search=Search) instead. It comes off easily. I use that, and finish it off with Technical Design Clay (http://www.kakoistyle.com/solid-styling-products/199-gatsby-technical-design-clay.html) to define the spikes. A little goes a long, long way with that stuff, one small jar will last forever.

[illicitstylz]

If you find Moving Rubber to be too 'gunky' especially when it comes to washing out the next day, you might want to try Gatsby Perfect Hold Wax (http://www.kakoistyle.com/search.php?orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=perfect+hold+wax&submit_search=Search) instead. It comes off easily. I use that, and finish it off with Technical Design Clay (http://www.kakoistyle.com/solid-styling-products/199-gatsby-technical-design-clay.html) to define the spikes. A little goes a long, long way with that stuff, one small jar will last forever.

Yeah I've noticed I need a bit more shampoo for the moving rubber (pink)

[ilvtofu]

Bought gatsby grunge matte off ebay for $8 I like it more than my american crew, more... fixable? after a long day

[_inwonderland]

If anyone's looking for the Gatsby Moving Rubber locally, T&T Metrotown has a bunch on sale for $11.99

[mowontech]

I was told the gatsby pink one was really bad for the hair and the scalp

[chipmunk604]

I was told the gatsby pink one was really bad for the hair and the scalp

what about other colors? is it true for other colors as well? im looking to buy the gray one (grunge mat) to put finishing touches to my hair (fortify my spikes).

[BlacknJean]

theres a gatsby product meant to specifically remove other gatsby hair wax stuff, you can get it in japan in like Lawsons though i dont remember what it was called.

your hair bound to get destroyed if you dont wash it off properly or sleepign with the wax on (thats fucking gross imo wtf does that). thats why you should get hair treatment like once every half a year even though its kind of gay.

the best japanese hair wax imo is this brand called Spice. but for a small one cost like 40-50 imported (2,000 yen locally)
http://www.studiot.ca/image/products/spicecream_green_s.jpg

Best to worst Ive tried
Spice -> Uevo > Uno > Nakano Hair Styling > Gatsby

btw its way cheaper if you get gatsby off ebay than locally.

[mowontech]

That is true that your hair is bound to get destroyed.. But its the rate at which it is getting destroyed which is important....



your hair bound to get destroyed if you dont wash it off properly or sleepign with the wax on (thats fucking gross imo wtf does that). thats why you should get hair treatment like once every half a year even though its kind of gay.[/IMG]

Best to worst Ive tried
Spice -> Uevo > Uno > Nakano Hair Styling > Gatsby

btw its way cheaper if you get gatsby off ebay than locally.

[ra604]

I've used Sumotech Wax.. comes in a small container. At first it looks like crap, but after a while it holds good and if you want you can restyle if you like. $40 though for small container and you buy it at Hennessey Salon in Oakridge/Richmond Center

[JSilver]

FRED Hair Care: Rafia Shaping Paste

Best hair product I have ever used. Non Greasy, smooth in the hands and smells nice.

[JayDaMan]

gatsby is pretty good
should vary between what kind of hair you got

[PMCR]

Kms California moulding paste

American crew fibre

All you need.
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[Culverin]

Alright, so after trying out the Gatsby stuff, I find it miles above what I used before.

Unfortunately, the 2 that I picked up aren't doing exactly what I was hoping for.

Gatsby : Moving Rubber (green)
It's pretty good. I use about 15ml, It rubs in pretty good to give me good coverage. It's giving me the volume I was hoping for. I love that It's retouchable, like later in the day, I can just fluff it up some more and let it go wild.
Downside: It kind of tugs at my hair when I try to rub it in. It doesn't really hold my fluff/spiking that well, but I guess it wasn't really designed for that. It's also has a slightly oily feel to it and leaves a little residue on your hands.
This means I definitely had some come off in my helmet already.
Overall, it's a huge step in the right direction, but not quite there yet.


Gatsby: Technical Design Clay
Wow, it's super hard to get it out of the container, I'm literally scraping my fingers across it to get some of it to stick to my fingers. Because it's so sticky and viscous, you can't just rub it in your hair and be done with it. I think it's meant to be a detailer, kind of like rubbing it into the tip of your spikes to ensure their hold.
Unfortunately, that's way too much work for me to do.
Because I'm using so little, I don't really notice if there is any sort of residue that comes off from touching it.


Any more suggestions guys?

[ra604]

LOL SHOULD MAKE THIS A GATSBY THREAD

[dyan]

sebastian crude clay is pretty good but its kinda pricey. Like $30 for 50g
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[ws6ta]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3604/dstruct2.jpg

good enough for me

[mowontech]

I use redken. About $25. It holds great and doesn't seem like its doing any major damage so far...

[Mr.HappySilp]

I am usually too lazy stay my hair in the mornings so I usually cut short so I don't need to comb it.

However, wanted to try a new style.
Something like this.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/fashionising/bottega_veneta_mens_hair.jpg

[Spidey]

if you guys are looking for something to spike your hair with, you might as wel use gel... if you want hair products for messy looks, there are tonnes of stuff out there... it is all preference.. next time you go to yoru hair dresser, you should ask to try out some stuff.. i go to Jack on Cambie and they have a bunch of diff stuff from lsb redken, difi, american crew that you can try.

[PUPPY]

out of all the gatsby products, i find the the purple wax to be the best
i've tried most of the other wax/clay (red, black, pink, orange, grey) but the purple wax seems to be the smoothest to use. it doesn't make your hair feel oily and it is restylable, so you could fix up your hair halfway through the day.
i would recommend gatsby over the other brands out there :)
good luck finding a styling product you like

[Lolkai]

i use fructis hair wax
its cheap($6) and works great for me
but its a lil hard to wash off

[rocksforsale]

gatsby + got2beglued hairspray = good2go