[LiquidTurbo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

What a fucked up world we live in.

[FN-2199]

What a fucking tard.

[b0unce. [?]]

are you fucking kidding me?

[Gumby]

I wonder how he would feel if he had kids and they were shot.

Yeah boils my blood too. :flamemad:

[mike313]

not guilty?? WTF

[belka]

Seems about right for that part of the world.

[Lomac]

That fucking pisses me off.

That said, this is also about a situation that happened 5 years ago...

[SkinnyPupp]

No puppies no care
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[ajax]

No puppies no care
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For once I actually agree with you. Its a fucked up world we live in.
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[shawn79]

thats why theres war going on in the middle east to keep these animals under control

:troll:

[Shun Izaki]

that is pretty fucking low...

eugh... but i have to say, in before some retards say "omg, he should get teh same treatment" thinking they're better.

[PiuYi]

fucking this is war crime

[StylinRed]

Israel always gets away with their crimes; whenever the UN tries to do something the USA vetoes it


id go off on a tirade about other similar events but i dont want to take away from this one (and most have you have read my tirades about them in the past)

edit: wow this is 5 years ago and i never even heard about it

[hotjoint]

wow thats fucked

[mr_chin]

If it was a boy, it would be a different story probably.

[Ferra]

there are individuals psychos and babies killers in every part of the world....

but this story says something about their government and culture as a whole :rolleyes:

[jpark]

so.. not guilty.. thats messed up

[taylor192]

This makes my blood boil:

The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb.

This is an area of the world where kids are used as suicide bombs. Ask any Canadian soldier that has been deployed to Afganistan, one of the hardest things coming back is learning that kids are just kids. They are taught on base to not interact with any of the kids that come up the the fence, cause they might blow up.

I don't blame the soldier as much as I blame that entire area of the world for allowing such atrocities.

[Ferra]

This makes my blood boil:



This is an area of the world where kids are used as suicide bombs. Ask any Canadian soldier that has been deployed to Afganistan, one of the hardest things coming back is learning that kids are just kids. They are taught on base to not interact with any of the kids that come up the the fence, cause they might blow up.

I don't blame the soldier as much as I blame that entire area of the world for allowing such atrocities.
read the articles again
the girl dropped her bag and the solider fired at the bag to make sure there were no explosive, then he decides to shoot the girl while she tried to run away from the post.
In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

[!Yaminashi]

that is pretty fucking low...

eugh... but i have to say, in before some retards say "omg, he should get teh same treatment" thinking they're better.

Not pretty low, thats as low as it gets.

[taylor192]

read the articles again
the girl dropped her bag and the solider fired at the bag to make sure there were no explosive, then he decides to shoot the girl while she tried to run away from the post.
I don't need to read it. One of my best friends and his wife have both served in Afganistan. You may not like this policy, yet it is what brings troops home safe:

"Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

The real crime is people in these regions that have made society fear a kid with a backpack.

[Ferra]

I don't need to read it. One of my best friends and his wife have both served in Afganistan. You may not like this policy, yet it is what brings troops home safe:



The real crime is people in these regions that have made society fear a kid with a backpack.
what?? so your best friends and his wife shoot suspect civilians running away from them?

I can see your point if the child kept on approaching them and ignore their warning. But obviously that's not what happened here. A child running away from you CANNOT hurt you. He didn't do it out of fear for his own safety.

[TRD Rs200]

this world is SOOO fucked up!

[DC5-S]

thats crazy, he already shot the bag there was no bomb in it.. they could have just chased after her and apprehended her

[taylor192]

you guys are missing the point.. the girl had a school bag in her hand, which they stated that it could have had a bomb in it.. but shooting her 17 times is ridiculous...
Have you ever seen a little girl with a backpack blow up? I haven't, yet I can sympathize with soldiers who have and are now over protective.

[InvisibleSoul]

Where is /b/ on this one?

[bloodmack]

I don`t know why this would make you so mad. Look at that specific area of the world. Its not as peaceful as it is here. Sure she was scared and trying to show him that. But its not that hard to deceive someone into thinking your innocent then click boom. Very stupid statement to make when you don`t even consider their living conditions.

[taylor192]

what?? so your best friends and his wife shoot suspect civilians running away from them?

I can see your point if the child kept on approaching them and ignore their warning. But obviously that's not what happened here. A child running away from you CANNOT hurt you. He didn't do it out of fear for his own safety.
You forget the child dropped the backpack. If this was indeed a bomb, letting the child retreat only means another bomb is coming.

The world you live in must be nice. Meet some of our military who have served overseas, they'll set you straight.

[Great68]

I think the real question is, were all 17 bullets really required to "confirm the kill"?

He's either sadistic or has really bad aim.

[The7even]

You forget the child dropped the backpack. If this was indeed a bomb, letting the child retreat only means another bomb is coming.

The world you live in must be nice. Meet some of our military who have served overseas, they'll set you straight.

what part of "they shot at the bag, it didn't explode, proved she wasnt carrying anything dangerous, started running back, they shot her 17 times " do you not get?

The world you live in must be pretty nice.

[optiblue]

maybe the little girl was holding a stapler?

[LiquidTurbo]

I don`t know why this would make you so mad. Look at that specific area of the world. Its not as peaceful as it is here. Sure she was scared and trying to show him that. But its not that hard to deceive someone into thinking your innocent then click boom. Very stupid statement to make when you don`t even consider their living conditions.

Who's living condition are you talking about?
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[taylor192]

what part of "they shot at the bag, it didn't explode, proved she wasnt carrying anything dangerous, started running back, they shot her 17 times " do you not get?

The world you live in must be pretty nice.
Not all bombs explode when shot. It is nice commentary by the reporter, yet is not the way the military handles situations.

As I said, talk to some of our military before talking out your ass.

[Great68]

maybe the little girl was holding a stapler?

I chuckled.

[Valour]

where's that cartoon pic of a little girl holding flowers to soldiers while she is strapped with bombs?

[darkfroggy]

The question is - What the hell was she doing in a security zone?

Usually you don't walk up to random soldiers carrying guns, especially if they're Isreali, who are usually strict with their security zones.

[nathaniel]

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[q0192837465]

It's sad, but I'm sure this kind of things happens everyday & no one would even bother about it.

[bloodmack]

Who's living condition are you talking about?
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really? im going to be sarcastic and say ours..

I'm talking about the middle east. Theres so much shit happening there why wouldn't you fear for your life?

[m!chael]

He might have been acquitted under the law because what he did was legal and is in place to prevent certain situations from happening but it's definitely an ethical issue and a tragedy. I really hope that Israel changes some of it's rules of engagement so something like this never happens again.

On another note, not justifying what happened, I would just like to point out what makes my blood boil.

After years of turmoil and many deaths, peace talks have began. What's special about these peace talks are that they are direct, not indirect as they have been in recent years. That's a big deal, and a huge opportunity for peace. What's even better is that both sides are willing to make sacrifices and many believe these peace talks may pave the way for the final peace agreement, the establishment of a Palestinian state, and security for Israel. What's even more amazing, is that whatever agreement both parties will arrive at will be put forward, by Abbas, to a national referendum. That means that the Palestinians in the west bank and in gaza will get to have the final say in determining their own destiny. This is a great thing and I'm sure all of you would support this since it will prevent any incidents like this from ever happening.

Now to the part that makes my blood boil. A day before this important event was about to start, Palestinians shot an Israeli car thus killing four, one of which was pregnant. The next day, Palestinians shot and tried to kill two more. Luckily those two managed to escape by jumping into a ditch (I think it was a ditch), and were only wounded. Now, 13 Palestinian factions, including Hamas, "will join forces to launch "more effective attacks" against Israel." (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/09/201093924784217.html). This is in order to sabotage the peace talks.

The hypocrisy of it all is that when an Israeli dies, no one cares and no one makes a thread about it on Revscene. When Israel is ready to negotiate for peace, and Palestinians are the ones sabotaging the talks, it is still those damn Israeli's who are evil and don't want peace.

[StylinRed]

Hamas was created by mossad to sabotage the PLO looks like they're working again to sabotage these peace agreements

But Israel isn't fully wanting peace either since they won't stop their settlement construction during these peace talks and they continue to bulldoze palestinians out of the area


On another note, Im not trying to justify these recent killings of Israelis but they're attacking Settlers they're not attacking Israelis in Israel

Granted there's a major moral issue and you can say blame shouldn't be placed on these settlers but you can see how they can be construed as a legitimate target as the settlements are considered Illegal under the world's eye (even the USA) so these settlers are actually Invaders.


I don't know what person who wouldn't strike back at someone who threw them out of their homes


Not trying to legitimize it as I don't agree with it, at all, as there is an attempt for peace here yet both sides are executing actions that could topple the whole process.

[m!chael]

Hamas was created by mossad to sabotage the PLO looks like they're working again to sabotage these peace agreements

But Israel isn't fully wanting peace either since they won't stop their settlement construction during these peace talks and they continue to bulldoze palestinians out of the area


On another note, Im not trying to justify these recent killings of Israelis but they're attacking Settlers they're not attacking Israelis in Israel

Granted there's a major moral issue and you can say blame shouldn't be placed on these settlers but you can see how they can be construed as a legitimate target as the settlements are considered Illegal under the world's eye (even the USA) so these settlers are actually Invaders.


I don't know what person who wouldn't strike back at someone who threw them out of their homes


Not trying to legitimize it as I don't agree with it, at all, as there is an attempt for peace here yet both sides are executing actions that could topple the whole process.

1. Hamas was not created by the Mossad. There's absolutely no proof to this. Israel tolerated Hamas in it's early years because it was a religious organization which was more bent on helping religious Palestinians (building schools, mosques, etc.) and attacking secular Palestinians. Also, since it was a religious organization Israel feared it would come off as anti-Muslim if it went against it, something it did not need at the time. There's a lot more to it, but the bottom line is that Israel didn't create it. Please don't link me some crazy conspiracy page which says it did but has no credible sources. Also, I find it really annoying how you had to somehow try and find a way to link Israel with the sabotaging of the peace talks.

2. There was a construction freeze in the west bank in place, It was actually enforced pretty well, however once the settlers were killed a lot of settlements resumed building in protest. True enough though, construction should be halted to at least some degree during the talks.

3. StylinRed, you were proablly sick to your stomach seeing people in this thread justifying the soldier's actions, so I edited your words a bit to show you how hypocritical you are when it comes to the loss of human lives.

"Granted there's a major moral issue and you can say blame shouldn't be placed on 'this little girl' but you can see how 'she' can be construed as a legitimate target as 'she walked into a security zone'"

[The7even]

^I agree with 99% of what you say, but how the fuck can you justify any settlement building?

[m!chael]

^I agree with 99% of what you say, but how the fuck can you justify any settlement building?

A final peace agreement will most likely see the largest settlements in the West Bank be absorbed into Israeli borders while land would be absorbed from Israel into the future Palestinian state in another area. It would be a "Land Swap" so to speak, and I'm sure you've heard of it before as it's been brought up many times in the Israel-Arab situation. It's a very convenient solution for the big settlements because they are simply too large, and it would take too long and too much effort to dismount them. Taking this into consideration, construction in those settlements shouldn't be frozen because it's necessary for the natural cycle of the city. Other smaller settlements which will definitely be dismounted and evacuated should definitely be under a construction freeze, and new settlements should not be allowed to form.

Hope that answers your question brah

[The7even]

thanks, had no clue.

[StylinRed]

Yeah thats what makes the settlement construction despicable... even though the world tells them 'no' they keep building and growing it because they have no intentions of giving it up and know if they develop it further they can use it as a bargaining chip to keeping it if there were any peace agreements in the future (this is known as being evil) and Israel is not going to swap land for it...

their actions have proven all they want to do is take since their inception, through to the settlements, from the construction of the wall (building it into and over palestinian land) and the forced deportation of non-jews who were BORN IN ISRAEL (this is very recent and is happening now Israel is deporting hundreds of Hebrew speaking children, born in Israel to migrant workers) in the name of defending their "jewish identity"



1. Hamas was not created by the Mossad.

3. StylinRed, you were proablly sick to your stomach seeing people in this thread justifying the soldier's actions, so I edited your words a bit to show you how hypocritical you are when it comes to the loss of human lives.


i wrote it like that on purpose dummy based on ur last comment trying to legitimize shooting kids :rolleyes:


(hamas was created by mossad; proof isnt needed its accepted; like 9/11)