[taylor192]

If this is a repost, well, :moon:
I didn't see anything posted today on it, and it is in today's paper.

http://www.vancouversun.com/drivers+speed+risk+losing+their+cars+week/3474713/story.html

Anyone travelling 40 kilometres or more over the speed limit if caught will now face new impoundment rules that come into effect Sept. 20.

A charge of excessive speeding will trigger a mandatory seven-day impoundment for a first offence, a 30-day impoundment for a second offence, and 60 days for all subsequent speeding offences within two years.

The new impoundment rules are in addition to existing penalties which include a fine of $368 to $483, depending on how excessive the speed, three penalty points on a driver's license and an ICBC driver-risk premium of $320 per year for three years, over and above Auto plan insurance premiums.

[Redlines_Daily]

And you can add on the impoundment fee, which can be very expensive depending how long you are impounded for.

[Euro7r]

Another retarded rule created. Look at the ban cell driving, I still see fucking people driving and talking on their cell phones.

Not like this will stop anyone from changing their driving habits.

[-EuroRSN-]

this shit is so fucked!

[JD¹³]

It's simply more incentive not to stop. I'll say it again, fuck the law makers in this country, pure ignorance! My ZX10 is capable of being impounded on any highway in BC in 1st gear.

[taylor192]

Another retarded rule created. Look at the ban cell driving, I still see fucking people driving and talking on their cell phones.

Not like this will stop anyone from changing their driving habits.
Did you read the article? Either 1000 or 10,000 people will learn the lesson really quickly when they lose their car for a week and are faced with > $1500 of fines/fees.

The cell phone law is working, I have RCMP friends that are enforcing it. Watch out for unmarked minivans.

[taylor192]

It's simply more incentive not to stop. I'll say it again, fuck the law makers in this country, pure ignorance! My ZX10 is capable of being impounded on any highway in BC in 1st gear.

Go back to BCStupidBikes. Did you know all the officer has to do is get your plate? You are legally required to identify the driver of your vehicle or face jail time. So they can just take your plate and meet you at home later.

The only ignorance is you. Take it to the track if you want to get the most out of your ZX10.

[JD¹³]

Go back to BCStupidBikes. Did you know all the officer has to do is get your plate? You are legally required to identify the driver of your vehicle or face jail time. So they can just take your plate and meet you at home later.

The only ignorance is you. Take it to the track if you want to get the most out of your ZX10.
:rolleyes: I recognize your username as the douchebag that posted so much useless garbage on that site that you got banned. Keep up the good work! Your opinion matters! :rofl:

140-150 in a modern car on a highway is nothing and is easily done safely, on a bike it's a sneeze. This is yet another babysitting law that's coddling the lowest common denominators on our roads.

And I do take it to the track, thanks!

[tonyvu]

yea buddy told me about this, not even worth speeding in the first place

[jstn86]

here's a simple solution

if you want to speed and get ticketed + fined + points + impounded then sure, go ahead.

if you don't, then just don't speed!

so simple! what's there to be furious about?

people will just sit there and bitch bitch bitch all day long.


would you rather have this "stupid" law OR have the government

a) put 110km/h governor on all the vehicles on the road (since the max speed limit is 100 anyways)

b) install GPS monitoring devices on all the vehicles so they can track how fast they are traveling at any time?


just don't speed. WOW is that so hard not to follow? what are you? 16? super excited to drive for the first time and need to impress your friends? -__-

/end rant

[Bath Tussue]

so do they impound your car on the spot? as in, you are only accused of excessive speeding, but not charged yet, but they still impound your car anyway?

[SumAznGuy]

so do they impound your car on the spot? as in, you are only accused of excessive speeding, but not charged yet, but they still impound your car anyway?

Technically if you blow over 0.05 on the breatheralyzer you are accused of being DUI and have your car impounded. If the officer suspects you are street racing, they can impound your car. I would expect the same thing for this.

That being said, I can see this doing little to no change in the way people drive. Do you know how many people drive with no or a suspended liscence?
OR no insurance?

Just another cash cow just like the cell phone ban.

[JSS]

i personally think this is retarded... but like most laws were just gonna have to learn to live with it.

HOWEVER... if they're gonna keep stiffening speeding laws, how about re-assessing our speed limits in the first place. it should be a give and take relationship between government and the public, but it just seems like all the government wants to do is keep taking.

[Gee.Tee.Ar]

How about make driving tests harder and mandatory government performance driving lessons. Then we can raise the speed limit up and make our own Canadian Autobahn yayy. But that wont happen of course haha

[4444]

i personally think this is retarded... but like most laws were just gonna have to learn to live with it.

HOWEVER... if they're gonna keep stiffening speeding laws, how about re-assessing our speed limits in the first place. it should be a give and take relationship between government and the public, but it just seems like all the government wants to do is keep taking.

agreed, these speed limits were created when teh 70's oil embargo hit, for fuel economy purposes (nothing to do with safety)

the modern car is economical at higher speeds than it ever was (not saying its not less economical at 120 than at 90, but the difference isn't what it was in teh 70s), and they're an AWFUL lot safer than they were

40 over with tehse stupidly low limits is NOT hard to do - coming from a brit (80mph on the motorway is accepted, law is 70), who has lived in the US (again 70mph on most motorways), i'm SICK of this kind of law making

LETS TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO DRIVE rather than ticketing those who drive at speeds that any other normal country would see as slow (120kmph is NOT fast or dangerous on many multiple lane A road equvalents (2 lane motorways) which are often 80kmph limits)

i seriously hate this government

[fliptuner]

This is yet another babysitting law that's coddling the lowest common denominators on our roads.


Unfortunately, a lot of social "rules" take away from people using/requiring/practicing good, basic common sense. It really fucks up natural selection.

[Leopold Stotch]

so beginning sept 20, the 120 i normally go on the highway is considered excessive speeding, so i guess i might as well go like 160, and make it worth it.

[Raid3n]

dont forget that cassiar to 208 is a construction zone, so all fines double. enjoy your ticket lol.

[JD¹³]

Unfortunately, a lot of social "rules" take away from people using/requiring/practicing good, basic common sense. It really fucks up natural selection.
Common sense is no longer common, if it was we wouldn't need ridiculous negative-incentive laws like these.
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[Mugen EvOlutioN]

great another gay homo ass law


fuck the law, laws are meant to be broken

paying $300-400 is no problem, but getting impounded for 7 days is seriously fucking ridiculous


they really need to revaluate the speed limite in this city, because its fucked.

every car nowadays are 300hp+, bigger brakes, summer tires seems to be standard. Cars no longer stop 200 feet, but 120 feet.

50km in city and 80km is seriously a joke
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[ericthehalfbee]

LOL at some of the comments in this thread.

Bigger brakes, better cars? It seems like I post this example every single time these speed limit discussions come up and people still can't grasp grade 10 physics.

How about braking distances, as an example?

The following vehicles will all stop shorter from 60mph to 0 than a Porsche 911 or Ferrari 430 can from 80mph to 0.

- Any minivan made today.
- Any cheap passenger car made today.
- Most pickup trucks and full size vans.

Yet I still see people making comments like "my sports car has the ability to handle speeds well above normal cars" or "modern cars are so much safer than when the rules were made". Sorry, you are wrong.

If you ask any driver of a Porsche or Ferrari they will all say that they can easily drive a mere 20mph (80 vs 60) over the limit and still maintain better control and a wider safety margin over "mere mortal cars". Many believe they can drive 30-40mph faster than a normal car.


I don't see why people complain about 40km/h being labelled as excessive. Does anyone think it's actually OK to run 90km/h in a 50km/h zone? Or 70 in a 30? If you drive like that you're a fucking idiot and deserve to be impounded.

[dL]

IMO, 40 over a 50 zone is dangerous when there are pedestrians around, but 40 over highway speed (especially the new gay 80 limit on #1 highway) is just retarded, especially when the road is clear at night. Sounds like many people's cars are gonna get impounded on #1 highway at night lol...

dL

[Great68]

Oh the "get tough" hilariousness these days.

Well I guess the government's gotta look like they're doing something these days...

[gars]

this thread is pretty funny. I don't understand why people are in such a hurry to get places. a 30km stretch on the highway driven at 120km/h will get you there in 15 minutes. the same stretch driven at 90km/h (10 over the speed limit on Highway 1) will get you there in 20 minutes. Is it really that bad that you need to get to where you are going 5 minutes quicker...?

It's funny how so many people just say, screw the law, I'm just going to do it, then complain that these laws are there to make money. I'll be the first one to admit that I don't go the speed limit, On a highway, I'll usually do 15km/h or so over the limit, or the flow of traffic, depending on the conditions. But I think it's stupid to still chance it and excessively speed. But if you want to do it, go ahead - "push your car to the limit that manufacturers designed", because you have the big brakes and horsepower... have fun getting impounded as well! :)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

so in a way you dont support excessive speed *neither do i

but u do agree the speed limite thats set right now is simply retarded. Hence why i can pretty much GURANTEE you no one follows the lame ass speed limite, why? becuz its gay and ridiculous


Everyone go with the FLOW of the traffic. Which is 10-20km more than speed limite, that pretty much just sumed it up how :bullshit: the limite is.

[gars]

But that's just how our culture is. Everyone will always push the boundaries here. Doesn't matter where you are in North America - if you place a speed limit - people will go 10-20 higher. What do you propose? keep on raising the limit till nobody is stupid enough to go faster?

[smoothie.]

im fine with the current speed limits, and i dont plan on excessively speeding in the city.

i do think they should make a couple more laws and enforce dumbass bikers though. (pedal bikes and those stupid electric scooters)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i dont know, i think 110-120km seems to flow really well overall on the highway, just look at I5 in seattle.


i didnt feel the need to do 160km, 120km cruising seems comfortable.

[1990TSI]

this is upsetting.

[JV6]

meh i drive like a grandma anyways so no biggie :p

[Meowjin]

:rolleyes: I recognize your username as the douchebag that posted so much useless garbage on that site that you got banned. Keep up the good work! Your opinion matters! :rofl:

140-150 in a modern car on a highway is nothing and is easily done safely, on a bike it's a sneeze. This is yet another babysitting law that's coddling the lowest common denominators on our roads.

And I do take it to the track, thanks!

dont know why i can't thank you

[agm]

protip: pedestrian limbs detach from the body in collisions with objects travelling greater than 90km/h

think about that next time you hit some dude on a bike that came out of nowhere while you were doin 40 over in a 50 zone. thats why his leg came off and thats why the law is 40 over.

ive seen it at 2am on the highway and i really fuckin hope none of you see it, let alone do that to someone.

[nosleepboy87]

These laws r senseless after knowing people who get more speeding tickets in their driving lifetime than movie tickets. People who have the money to blow on exotic cars or mods will continue to fly down highway one at 180km/h no mater how high the fines are. I've sat beside drivers who don't care when they r getting tickets...most of the time they say to the officer "here is my license n registration so gimme the dam ticket n stop wasting my time, and if you do choose to waste my time I will have lawyers n media to stir up a shit storm on your behalf"
N I just sit on the passenger side n watch n laugh my ass off.
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[windchaser]

all i can see is government is making more new exuceses to put their hands in our pockets...

[goo3]

this thread is pretty funny. I don't understand why people are in such a hurry to get places. a 30km stretch on the highway driven at 120km/h will get you there in 15 minutes. the same stretch driven at 90km/h (10 over the speed limit on Highway 1) will get you there in 20 minutes. Is it really that bad that you need to get to where you are going 5 minutes quicker...?


Only 5 minutes quicker but infinitely more fun. You must drive a corolla or something.

And 120km/h in an 80 zone isn't excessive. 140 is excessive - 75% higher than the speed limit.

Just as 90km/h is 80% higher than the limit in a 50 zone.

[ericthehalfbee]

How is this law a money grab? As people mentioned, the "flow" of traffic is usually 10-20km/h above the posted limits. If they increased fines for people driving 10-20km/h over, then that would be a cash grab.

How often do you see someone doing 40km/h over the limit? Especially in the city?

[Great68]

Only 5 minutes quicker but infinitely more fun. You must drive a corolla or something.

And 120km/h in an 80 zone isn't excessive. 140 is excessive - 175% higher than the speed limit.

Just as 90km/h is 80% higher than the limit in a 50 zone.

I think the point at which a speed is considered "excessive" should be calculated by % of the limit, not by a set 40km/h. Something like 80% over the posted limit, then fine.

I agree that anyone who does 90km/h in the city should get a shit kicking.

But someone speeding on an empty highway in the middle of butt fuck nowhere should not have their car taken away.

[taylor192]

:rolleyes: I recognize your username as the douchebag that posted so much useless garbage on that site that you got banned. Keep up the good work! Your opinion matters! :rofl:
I got banned cause I made fun of tards like you who think the street is your personal racetrack. I could post my PMs from the moderators saying I did nothing wrong, just the membership didn't like me so I had to go. No wonder they didn't like me, there's not an ounce of intelligence on that entire site, they were ill equipped to argue my points - much like you are.

140-150 in a modern car on a highway is nothing and is easily done safely, on a bike it's a sneeze. This is yet another babysitting law that's coddling the lowest common denominators on our roads.
It is not done safely with the amount of traffic on our roads. Sure on some of the more remote highways the speed limit is asinine, yet there is no reason to be 40+ over anywhere in the GVA.

And I do take it to the track, thanks!
Good, then we don't have a problem.

[taylor192]

HOWEVER... if they're gonna keep stiffening speeding laws, how about re-assessing our speed limits in the first place. it should be a give and take relationship between government and the public, but it just seems like all the government wants to do is keep taking.
The highways here are 110 kmph compared to 100 kmph in Ontario. I think that's great considering the highways here wind through the mountains without many straights compared to the long, flat, straight highways in Ontario.

The only way highway speeds will be raised is:
1. Greater driver education. Get the bad drivers off the road.
2. Less traffic. Yes the speed during the late evening seems silly, yet during the middle of the day in traffic most cannot even do the speed limit do to congestion.

[taylor192]

But if you want to do it, go ahead - "push your car to the limit that manufacturers designed", because you have the big brakes and horsepower... have fun getting impounded as well! :)

This is the argument of every single sport bike owner. They believe cause they can buy rides capable of doing the speed, they should be allowed. Then they wonder why the government is considering engine size restrictions. :rolleyes:

[taylor192]

every car nowadays are 300hp+, bigger brakes, summer tires seems to be standard. Cars no longer stop 200 feet, but 120 feet.
The majority of cars are Civics, Corollas, ... with 150hp and brakes that don't stop that fast.
The majority of drivers don't pay attention, cause they are stuck in traffic and only really care about getting A->B, they aren't enthusiasts like us. Or the have kids in the backseat distracting them.

That aside, even if every car was capable of that, until driver licensing is increased to the point of taking bad drivers off the road, and traffic dealt with to relieve congestion, the low speed limits we have stay.

Most ignorant (read: you) people think Germany has these high speed roads and it just works. They don't understand getting a license requires 10+ courses and $2000+ dollars, thus why people drive better. They also don't understand Germany has speed limits, very strictly enforced speed limits. You think the fines are tough here, look up the fines there.

[taylor192]

How about make driving tests harder and mandatory government performance driving lessons. Then we can raise the speed limit up and make our own Canadian Autobahn yayy. But that wont happen of course haha
$2000 for a license and 10+ driving tests.

I'm all for it, yet since public transit sucks in this country compared to Germany, owning a car is a necessity for many (I said necessity, not right, driving is still a privilege), so making licensing cost $Ks would be very hard on people, especially rural folks.

[taylor192]

I think the point at which a speed is considered "excessive" should be calculated by % of the limit, not by a set 40km/h. Something like 80% over the posted limit, then fine.

I agree that anyone who does 90km/h in the city should get a shit kicking.

But someone speeding on an empty highway in the middle of butt fuck nowhere should not have their car taken away.
I'll agree with you on this one. 40 kmph over isn't the same in a 50 kmph zone as it is in a 110 kmph zone, nor the same in a residential zone vs remote highway. It is too bad the current laws don't take this into account either.

Having come from Ontario where a similar law exists (except its 50 kmph over, 2 weeks impound, and $2000 fine) there have been stories of officers abusing the law by ticking agreessively at known speed changes. Ie you're doing 100 in an 80, then it changes to a 50. If you don't slow down immediately, which most don't - we just coast down, then suddenly you're caught excessive speeding. :( :bullshit:

[taylor192]

Common sense is no longer common, if it was we wouldn't need ridiculous negative-incentive laws like these.
There is a reason BCSB has been nicknamed BCStupidBikes. The only common sense are those who at least take it to the track, yet they still stupidly argue to have the street as their personal racetrack.

[mpr]

At this rate, our fines in the future will be like the ones in Switzerland.

Driving more than 25 kilometres an hour over the 120-kilometre speed limit on motorways in Switzerland is regarded as a criminal offence, and fines are based on a driver's income

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

:spin::spin::spin:

[taylor192]

why dont you shut the fuck up and get the fuck out with your fucking ugly piece of shitty ass C230 gay homo ass two tone ricer fast and furious paint job

Reported. Stay on topic.

[!Yaminashi]

why dont you shut the fuck up and get the fuck out with your fucking ugly piece of shitty ass C230 gay homo ass two tone ricer fast and furious paint job

Dude, I dont wanna have to tell you to watch what you say, but if you keep this up you're gone. Your comment was COMPLETELY uncalled for.
You're lucky I'm in a good mood today. If I wasnt, I'd ban you, your kids, and your kid's kids from REVscene

[SumAznGuy]

The highways here are 110 kmph compared to 100 kmph in Ontario. I think that's great considering the highways here wind through the mountains without many straights compared to the long, flat, straight highways in Ontario.

Which highways in BC have a speed limit of 110 km/h other than Hwy 1 after you pass Buttfcuk nowhere. I believe it is 100 km/h after you pass Abbotsford or Langley where is it long, flat, and straight. ;)

[gars]

Most ignorant (read: you) people think Germany has these high speed roads and it just works. They don't understand getting a license requires 10+ courses and $2000+ dollars, thus why people drive better. They also don't understand Germany has speed limits, very strictly enforced speed limits. You think the fines are tough here, look up the fines there.

very true. as well - all people think about in Germany is speed. What they don't know is that only on certain part of the Autobahn (german for Highway) are there no speed limits. On all other parts, speed limits do exist and are strictly enforced. I thought it was weird to be going all out on a highway, but then when you get into the city and everybody was driving 50. yep, 50km/h, not 55, not 60, but they were going 50.

[Death2Theft]

yea buddy told me about this, not even worth speeding in the first place

Just means get all your excessive speeding done now.

[Great68]

Which highways in BC have a speed limit of 110 km/h other than Hwy 1 after you pass Buttfcuk nowhere. I believe it is 100 km/h after you pass Abbotsford or Langley where is it long, flat, and straight. ;)

Highway 97 North of Prince George and highway 29 between Chetwynd and Hudson's Hope is very very nice (and very empty) ;)

[bloodmack]

So 40km/h? so if i got 135km/h its not excessive speeding? Cool.

FYI 110km/h governer will NEVER happen here. If it does its the end of motoring as we know it. Why not just sell everyone smart cars cause having that 600hp vette aint gona be worth shit then.

[taylor192]

Which highways in BC have a speed limit of 110 km/h other than Hwy 1 after you pass Buttfcuk nowhere. I believe it is 100 km/h after you pass Abbotsford or Langley where is it long, flat, and straight. ;)
The 5 and 97 have sections that are 110, and maybe the 3?

I did wonder why the 5 is 110 while everything west of Hope is only 100. Still, 110 in some places is an improvement from 100 in Ontario.

[bloodmack]

Cause of all the construction near clearbrook im pretty sure the speed limit doesnt stay at 100km/h til you enter sumas/cultus lake exits.

[Death2Theft]

I do 100km in the city all the time in a DD 4 banger with like 100hp. The crazy part is? I'm not even flooring it. Nothing more than 50% gas.
How is this law a money grab? As people mentioned, the "flow" of traffic is usually 10-20km/h above the posted limits. If they increased fines for people driving 10-20km/h over, then that would be a cash grab.

How often do you see someone doing 40km/h over the limit? Especially in the city?

[taylor192]

very true. as well - all people think about in Germany is speed. What they don't know is that only on certain part of the Autobahn (german for Highway) are there no speed limits. On all other parts, speed limits do exist and are strictly enforced. I thought it was weird to be going all out on a highway, but then when you get into the city and everybody was driving 50. yep, 50km/h, not 55, not 60, but they were going 50.

A German couple approached me while I was parking on my motorcycle in a parking lot, they wanted to know what it took to get a license. I told them, $15 for a Q&A then I'm allowed to ride with a supervisor. Then $0 for 5 min parking lot skills test and I'm allowed to ride anywhere just not at night or with a passenger. Then another $50 and a 30 min road test and I'm done.

Their faces were priceless. They were stunned it was so easy and cheap and immediately wanted to buy bikes and get licensed.

[hk20000]

it's all 80 all the way from Grandview to Abby. So 119 is as fast as you can go. cheers.

[taylor192]

I do 100km in the city all the time in a DD 4 banger with like 100hp. The crazy part is? I'm not even flooring it. Nothing more than 50% gas.
Slow down.

I take Oak daily at 7am when there is no traffic and 3 wide open lanes. I still cannot justify >= 100 kmph. I'm no angel, I'll do 80-90, yet if the lights change anything faster I cannot stop in time - and there are too many red light cameras.

[JD¹³]

I got banned cause I made fun of tards like you who think the street is your personal racetrack.
I don't think the street is my personal racetrack. I don't care about your PM's with moderators. You got banned because you're a :troll: and you're clearly bitter about it since your attacks at me are actually attacks at another forum.
It is not done safely with the amount of traffic on our roads.
Yes, it is. If people payed attention to what they were doing and that massive ICBC surplus went towards mandatory driver education rather than imposing fines to just make themselves MORE money..........
protip: pedestrian limbs detach from the body in collisions with objects travelling greater than 90km/h...... ive seen it at 2am on the highway and i really fuckin hope none of you see it, let alone do that to someone.
That sucks to see and I'm sorry you had to witness it. However, why was someone trying to jaywalk across a highway at 2am and be unable to see and hear oncoming vehicles? That's just natural selection at it's finest.

[taylor192]

I don't think the street is my personal racetrack. I don't care about your PM's with moderators. You got banned because you're a :troll: and you're clearly bitter about it since your attacks at me are actually attacks at another forum.
If I was a troll I'd already have another account and be back. Any other unintelligent argument you'd like to put forward?

My attack was justified, you are on that site and share the same stupid opinions.

Yes, it is. If people payed attention to what they were doing and that massive ICBC surplus went towards mandatory driver education rather than imposing fines to just make themselves MORE money..........
Then please campaign for increased driver education. Until driver education changes we are stuck with laws that consider the quality of drivers on the road.

Do you know how much paperwork is involved in making these fines stick? The amount of the fine doesn't even cover the officer's time, nevermind that he's now busy impounding your car rather than patrolling.

Another ignorant argument from the uniformed. Tell BCStupidBikes I say "hi" and please go back, at least there you'll find the majority of members agree with your ignorant stance. I'm happy to see a lot of intelligent posts here stating excessive speeding is dumb.

The insurance premium ($320 DRP for 3 years) is another topic, perhaps take a read of the ICBC discount thread on BCSB and see how many are actually defending ICBC's low rates compared to other provinces before you criticize this. You might even be in the minority on BCSB, which only highlights how out to lunch you are when even they don't share your opinion.

That sucks to see and I'm sorry you had to witness it. However, why was someone trying to jaywalk across a highway at 2am and be unable to see and hear oncoming vehicles? That's just natural selection at it's finest.
Like most of the unitelligent people of BCStupidBikes you missed the point and focused on the drama queen exception.

40 over is 90-100 on many city streets, and as ericthehalfbee points out, increases your stopping distance considerably. Yet you'd know this, cause bike stopping distance increases a lot with speed. The problem isn't the highway, it is the people like Death2Theft who think 100 kmph on city streets is reasonable :rolleyes:

[bloodmack]

Why can't I thank JD13 hell I cant even thank Taylor192 ethier? I see more accidents caused by lack of skill or unawareness of others, rather then speeding. There are alot of people who aren't confident drivers, and if your not confident in yourself your going to end up in a accident. I think we need tougher drivers examinations, mabye include some stunt tests or something (like hard braking and avoiding obstacles).

[JD¹³]

...you are on that site and share the same stupid opinions. Tell BCStupidBikes... thread on BCSB... on BCSB... unitelligent people of BCStupidBikes
Yeah you're not obsessed at all :whine:
40 over is 90-100 on many city streets... The problem isn't the highway, it is the people like Death2Theft who think 100 kmph on city streets is reasonable :rolleyes:
I take Oak daily... I'm no angel, I'll do 80-90
It's people like you too, ya dumbass hypocrite :rofl:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

ya why cant i thank JD
:bullshit:

[taylor192]

ya why cant i thank JD
:bullshit:

Did you use up your 5 thanks for the day? I'm out for today.

[Meowjin]

ya why cant i thank JD
:bullshit:

me neither. WTF mods.

[taylor192]

Yeah you're not obsessed at all :whine:

It's people like you too, ya dumbass hypocrite :rofl:
I'd be a hypocrite if I defended speeding. I admit to it, and admit it is wrong. I don't excessive speed cause I didn't want the $320 DRP, nor do I want the new impound.

Meanwhile you ignorantly defend speeding, and even encourage breaking the law:
It's simply more incentive not to stop
It is funny how this is the typical first post in any thread on traffic laws on BCStupidBikes. Real smart, run from the law, see what happens. :thumbsup:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

no, no one can thank JD



people are mad at the law, thats why they say stupid shit like fuck the law. Inside everyone's heart you know some of the laws are pretty fucked up and no one can agree on it.


speed limite is low on the highway, car thieves getting slap on the wrist for stealing or trespassing another man's property. Home invaders can sue you if you rough them up, ICBC screws you over when you are not at fault etc
just because its the law, it doesnt mean it serves its justice.

[hk20000]

Back on topic: What if I insist that there was an error in judgment and dispute the ticket? habeas corpus anybody?

I don't expect the court of BC to refund my impound fees and my loss of use of vehicle at the end of a case getting thrown out? WTF? Another unconstitutional law that people need to step up and contest, along with the VI process, yo!

[DHP 2]

^


interesting question..

[Jgresch]

Half the time I spend on HWY1 is driving 10-20kmh because of traffic lol..... I'm not a fast driver... I usually stick to 80kmh on the HWY and 60kmh in the city... I wasn't always a slow driver though.

When I was 17, and just got my N, I drove super fast everywhere, didn't give a fuck, like everyone else I was invincible.... One night in mommys Lexus I was pulled over doing 120 in a 30 zone. The cop explained my $1600 in fines (No licence on me, no N, excessive speeding, driving without care, construction zone), also set a court date for me, and told me I had to have the car towed home and I would lose my licence for 6 months to a year.... So I was straight freaked out, basically in tears, How was I suppose to drive to school/work. My parents would disown me... He then started asking about school and what not, and eventually brought the ticket up for me to sign.... which was $90. I asked him what it was about. And he told me that he was just like me when he was young, said to stay in school, and next time put my 'N' on. Obviously there wouldn't be a next time, and I've been driving very safely ever since (2.5 years).

Point is, if I was slapped with huge money fines, the entire time I would be paying them off, without a car, without school, I would just get more and more frusterated, digging myself into a hole, I couldn't even imagine missing my first year of university. I would probably not have learned my lesson, and just become pissed at all the police. But this cop was different, the way he dealt with me completely changed my driving habits....

Sorry for cool story

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

glad to hear your driving experience has changed thanks to the decent cop who gave you a 2nd change for you to improve
:thumbsup:



but damn that would've been a very expensive ticket for you to pay off if he did give you that ticket

[hk20000]

wow 1600 I can buy another car with that money LOL

[q0192837465]

Sadly, most ppl take 1 major accident to learn that they'r not invincible.

[fliptuner]

moved.

[taylor192]

Back on topic: What if I insist that there was an error in judgment and dispute the ticket? habeas corpus anybody?

I don't expect the court of BC to refund my impound fees and my loss of use of vehicle at the end of a case getting thrown out? WTF? Another unconstitutional law that people need to step up and contest, along with the VI process, yo!
That is a good question.

I don't mind this type of offense being administered at roadside. It is not hard for an officer to determine you were 40+ over the limit, and little you can argue to defend yourself against it in court. It is a pretty open/shut case.

For those who want their day in court to hope the officer knocks it down or doesn't show, it doesn't make you less guilty.

FYI: People have beaten the similar law in Ontario, and the impound/towing fees are not reimbursed.

[fliptuner]

protip: pedestrian limbs detach from the body in collisions with objects travelling greater than 90km/h

think about that next time you hit some dude on a bike that came out of nowhere while you were doin 40 over in a 50 zone. thats why his leg came off and thats why the law is 40 over.

ive seen it at 2am on the highway and i really fuckin hope none of you see it, let alone do that to someone.

Well if the guy came out of nowhere, who fault is that?

And what highway are you on that has a 50km/h speed limit?

Obviously 40 over in a 50 zone is excessive but 40 over on Hwy1 (GVRD, currently) is nothing.

[fliptuner]

Common sense is no longer common, if it was we wouldn't need ridiculous negative-incentive laws like these.
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THANKS JD13

I say that to people all the time, "Common sense isn't really common."

It's pretty sad actually. Safety guys at worksites control productivity by constantly pestering workers (real workers, that want to get shit done) with nonsense. Just last week, it took me 6 hours to complete a 1.5hr job that I do, day in day out, for years. Why? He wanted me to do a quick (3hr) safety course before I entered his yard. He wasn't too pleased when I asked if he had a form that excused his company from ALL liability should an accident occur, so I could get to work already.

Anyways, I hate babysitting laws, like you said.

Fuck, learn how to drive. Learn how to operate your car at speed and what it's capable of in case you need to avoid an accident!!! Pay attention. Read your book/do your makeup/text somewhere else, off the road!! Slam on your brakes in an empty parking lot/roadway when it rains/snows so you know how it will react. Driving IS serious business and the people that treat their cars like a fucking office, screw it up for the guys that actually give a shit to drive properly.

[taylor192]

Point is, if I was slapped with huge money fines, the entire time I would be paying them off, without a car, without school, I would just get more and more frusterated, digging myself into a hole, I couldn't even imagine missing my first year of university. I would probably not have learned my lesson, and just become pissed at all the police. But this cop was different, the way he dealt with me completely changed my driving habits....
I'll address this part first:

You changed your behaviour cause you realized just how much sh*t you were in. If the law was more lenient, you would've just taken the fine and been on your way repeating the same bad behaviour. This is why the law must be tough.

Even with the new law, officers are still free to give you the same break. :thumbsup:

As for getting pissed at the police - they are enforcing the law, you have no-one but yourself to be pissed at for digging yourself into a hole. It is not the officers fault you were an idiot 17yo driving 120 kmph through a school zone.

Some kid used to speed on my brother's street near a playground. One day he stopped on the street and my brother and his friends pulled him out of the car and dragged him down the street. He made this kid apologize to my niece and nephew for endangering their lives by speeding through their neighbourhood, then promise not to do it again. The kid left shaking, like you, afraid of what the consequences could have been.

Point being, you're lucky it was just an officer that informed you of your bad behaviour. Glad you have smartened up! :thumbsup:

When I was 17, and just got my N, I drove super fast everywhere, didn't give a fuck, like everyone else I was invincible.... One night in mommys Lexus I was pulled over doing 120 in a 30 zone. The cop explained my $1600 in fines (No licence on me, no N, excessive speeding, driving without care, construction zone), also set a court date for me, and told me I had to have the car towed home and I would lose my licence for 6 months to a year.... So I was straight freaked out, basically in tears, How was I suppose to drive to school/work. My parents would disown me... He then started asking about school and what not, and eventually brought the ticket up for me to sign.... which was $90. I asked him what it was about. And he told me that he was just like me when he was young, said to stay in school, and next time put my 'N' on. Obviously there wouldn't be a next time, and I've been driving very safely ever since (2.5 years).

I have a similar story. I'm not preaching, I just hope others should not have to learn the hard way like you and I did.

I was 17yo, caught at 153 in a 90 on an Ontario highway. Automatic court case, automatic 1 month license suspension, $750 fine. Officer did not lower the amount and I went to court for it. My took away my keys and grounded me.

It sucked, I learned my lesson. I hope others don't have to learn the same way.

[Roach]

In both examples of "learning the hard way", neither of you make mention of putting people in danger. Instead, you learned the hard way because the consequences were so harsh (fines, loss of license etc).

If the consequences weren't so harsh, you would still be speeding around?

The real question here should be:

Does going 40+ over the speed limit automatically make someone a dangerous driver? A driver so dangerous that they must be taken off the road and penalized for it?

I'm a proponent of the idea that speed limits need to be adjusted to a more realistic level before we re-evaluate and adjust our penalty system. Especially on our highways.

Threatening drivers with harsher penalties is not the only way to make our roads safer for all of us. More thorough driver testing and a re-evaluation of the rules of our roads is necessary IMO.

Kev

[JSALES]

wow, gonna have to watch my speed limit on the highway from now on. i've never got a speeding ticket yet and i hope i don't start

[J____]

what's all the fuss about? 40 over limit is not necessary at all. I'm fine with this law, if you want to risk it and speed, then get ready to pay the fine. $1500 or $700 makes no difference when you're running the risk of taking someone's life away.

You're BB kit can stop faster from 100-0, but can your BB kit bring someone's child back to life if you screw up?

yes i used to speed when i was younger and ignorant. But now i plan ahead and leave a few minutes earlier to get to places on time. A few minutes saved on the highway by speeding is not worth my hard earned money not to mention the risks. I'd rather spend $1000 on 2 track days and go all out and have some fun.

[taylor192]

If the consequences weren't so harsh, you would still be speeding around?
Yes. Most people are only concerned about what affects them, thus why laws must include punishment for them.

The real question here should be:

Does going 40+ over the speed limit automatically make someone a dangerous driver? A driver so dangerous that they must be taken off the road and penalized for it?
Read ericthehalfbee's post on stopping distance vs speed. Good driving cannot offset the laws of nature.

Just cause your driving is not dangerous does not mean you have not created a situation that would be dangerous to get out of.

I'm a proponent of the idea that speed limits need to be adjusted to a more realistic level before we re-evaluate and adjust our penalty system. Especially on our highways.
Here's a question in response:
Since most officers turn a blind eye to ~20 kmph over, what are you really gaining with increased speed limits?

The countries of the world with the most driver training also have some of the harshest penalties. Thus it is a double edged sword, if you want higher speed limits with increased driver training, you're going to have to obey them or face harsher punishment.

Threatening drivers with harsher penalties is not the only way to make our roads safer for all of us. More thorough driver testing and a re-evaluation of the rules of our roads is necessary IMO.
100% agreed.

Until this happens, the laws will continue to evolve to protect society from bad drivers.

[skyxx]

Stop making excuses and obey the fucking rules/regulations then be on your merry way. End of story, deal with it. You can speed all you want and get caught. In the end, people are just going to look at you and laugh. Like a few have said, laws are meant to be tough. If you don't listen then it's your problem and not anyone else's.
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[fliptuner]

Read ericthehalfbee's post on stopping distance vs speed. Good driving cannot offset the laws of nature.


His post didn't take into account that our roads were designed to be used by vehicles (and parts ie. tires) designed in the 70's and 80's. Present day vehicles are lighter, more maneuverable and stop shorter.

A higher speed limit is warranted if the infrastructure can accomidate the volume.

[fliptuner]

Stop making excuses and obey the fucking rules/regulations then be on your merry way. End of story, deal with it.

It's not an excuse when the rules are flawed.

If they made a law that forbade you to eat fast food on Wednesdays, would you just accept it? Poor diet is the leading cause of heart disease, you know.

[Roach]

Fliptuner, agreed

And to qualify my point further, I'm not talking about changing a school zone from 30 to 70. There are instances where a low speed limit is absolutely necessary.

However, our highways, both in the lower mainland as well as those in the interior, have unrealistic speed limits set. I have driven to Prince George, Golden, Osoyoos, Kelowna, Kamloops and highways in between. The speed limits reflect a time that has long past. It's very easy to go 130 on a road with a speed limit of 90. And in those situations, I fear that drivers are going to be illogically targetted by these new laws.

Does that mean highway speeds should be bumped from 90 straight to 130? No. But moving them up to a more realistic 100 or 110 would increase the threshold and be more in-line with what is nowadays considered "excessive" speeding (150km/h+).

My $0.02.

Kev

[FerrariEnzo]

i dont see why people make such a big deal about this.. i find it good. people who speed excessively should be punished.


for those who think the speed limit should be raised,

well for highways they should be. fuck out highways ARENT even highways.. haha 1 and 2 lanes are called highways here, some even have traffic lights.. thats so lame.
for city, i dont think they should.

[taylor192]

His post didn't take into account that our roads were designed to be used by vehicles (and parts ie. tires) designed in the 70's and 80's. Present day vehicles are lighter, more maneuverable and stop shorter.

A higher speed limit is warranted if the infrastructure can accomidate the volume.
Traffic in the 70s was much lighter than it is today, this is the #1 factor missing from the arguments that cars are designed better.

[DenKare]

speed isnt the factor its more road conditions -,- i went 50 in a 50 zone and still ended up through a brick wall

[1990TSI]

while I will agree that driving in the city, 40k over the limit is retarded. Even I don't go 90 in a 50 zone, or 70 in a school zone, HOWEVER.... what about highway 99? the sea to sky. It's speed limit ranges from 60-80 between horsehshoe bay and squamish. any one drive it recently? yea, that's what I thought. 120 is NOT excessive on that road and it's a money grab to impound people for it. Why they put the limits so low, I may never know.
Then you get the coq. speed limit 110, but 150 is not excessive in any modern vehicle on that highway. Sure, not everyone will go 150, but if they made the limits more realistic, I think we'd see less speeding and accidents.

No money from the tickets though :(


and taylor, please don't respond to my post, I don't want to hear what you have to say.

[Nightwalker]

I'm going to get raped and impounded at some point. It's going to suck.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

while I will agree that driving in the city, 40k over the limit is retarded. Even I don't go 90 in a 50 zone, or 70 in a school zone, HOWEVER.... what about highway 99? the sea to sky. It's speed limit ranges from 60-80 between horsehshoe bay and squamish. any one drive it recently? yea, that's what I thought. 120 is NOT excessive on that road and it's a money grab to impound people for it. Why they put the limits so low, I may never know.
Then you get the coq. speed limit 110, but 150 is not excessive in any modern vehicle on that highway. Sure, not everyone will go 150, but if they made the limits more realistic, I think we'd see less speeding and accidents.

No money from the tickets though :( and with no tickets, taylor192 will shrivel up into a mazda miata

all in all, this new law is about as retarded as taylor192s sweet paint job.



and taylor, please don't respond to my post, I don't want to hear what you have to say.


best statement thats been declared in this entire thread. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!



80km thru out highway 1, i find it funny doing 120km is necessary to impound my car and give me a $500 dollar ticket

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL :rofl::rofl::rofl::rolleyes::bullshit:

on I5 thats their regular speed limite, people really need to know how to drive their fucking car. Not pay their way out by buying a driver license.


Fast and furious keeps on releasing new movies, it inspires people and moves their heart. Especially the neons, what can i say...

[johny]

BC is turning into Ontario. time to move to alberta.

at least they didn't call it a street racing law like they did in Ontario. F&cking dumbasses over there. apparently one person driving fast = racing. it takes 2 to race geniuses

[Jgresch]

I'll address this part first:

You changed your behaviour cause you realized just how much sh*t you were in. If the law was more lenient, you would've just taken the fine and been on your way repeating the same bad behaviour. This is why the law must be tough.

Even with the new law, officers are still free to give you the same break. :thumbsup:

As for getting pissed at the police - they are enforcing the law, you have no-one but yourself to be pissed at for digging yourself into a hole. It is not the officers fault you were an idiot 17yo driving 120 kmph through a school zone.

Some kid used to speed on my brother's street near a playground. One day he stopped on the street and my brother and his friends pulled him out of the car and dragged him down the street. He made this kid apologize to my niece and nephew for endangering their lives by speeding through their neighbourhood, then promise not to do it again. The kid left shaking, like you, afraid of what the consequences could have been.

Point being, you're lucky it was just an officer that informed you of your bad behaviour. Glad you have smartened up! :thumbsup:


I have a similar story. I'm not preaching, I just hope others should not have to learn the hard way like you and I did.

I was 17yo, caught at 153 in a 90 on an Ontario highway. Automatic court case, automatic 1 month license suspension, $750 fine. Officer did not lower the amount and I went to court for it. My took away my keys and grounded me.

It sucked, I learned my lesson. I hope others don't have to learn the same way.


It was 11 pm at night, 30 km was due to construction. I never drove like that in school zones lol

[JiggaZed]

BC is turning into Ontario. time to move to alberta.

at least they didn't call it a street racing law like they did in Ontario. F&cking dumbasses over there. apparently one person driving fast = racing. it takes 2 to race geniuses

You can race against time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM4HDXBjUZw

[CanadaGoose]

BC is turning into Ontario. time to move to alberta.


That's what I did a long time ago

Getting your car impounded for going 40km/h over is ridiculous.

So now it's not enough to just fine someone and raise your insurance, they want to withhold your property and make you pay for the impound fees too? What's next, they come to your house and take your TV and fridge too?

I don't care what the logic is behind that.... it SUCKS. :bullshit:

Leave peoples property alone.

[Jgresch]

You're right. I was just sharing the reason I drive safely now. There weren't any people around really, just the cop goin the other way. Why can't roads be differet speed limits at different times or conditions, like school zones? Either way, I'm content now and not too concerned about it In both examples of "learning the hard way", neither of you make mention of putting people in danger. Instead, you learned the hard way because the consequences were so harsh (fines, loss of license etc).

If the consequences weren't so harsh, you would still be speeding around?

The real question here should be:

Does going 40+ over the speed limit automatically make someone a dangerous driver? A driver so dangerous that they must be taken off the road and penalized for it?

I'm a proponent of the idea that speed limits need to be adjusted to a more realistic level before we re-evaluate and adjust our penalty system. Especially on our highways.

Threatening drivers with harsher penalties is not the only way to make our roads safer for all of us. More thorough driver testing and a re-evaluation of the rules of our roads is necessary IMO.

Kev
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[1990TSI]

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Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!

The sea to sky will turn into a 30 zone at night, just in case a deer walks out. Statisticlly, more deers are killed than school kids. I hope ICBC isn't reading this or we'll be going 30k everywhere EXCEPT school zones.

Statistics kill people.


:D:D:D

[stewie]

why does the phrase "i fu*king hate cops!!!" jump into my head when i read this thread?

half the people here are just as bad as those lil wanna be drug dealers....quit doing illegal shit and you wont have a reason to fu*king hate them...

i have no problem what so ever doing the speed limit..sure i may go 10-15km over on the highway....but thats about as much as i would go...theres simply no need to be going any faster...this isnt the indy 500...

but, your responsible for your own actions, if you want to speed then go for it, if you get caught and start bitching about how your vehicle has been impounded...then your a fu*king moron. like the old saying goes "if you cant do the time, dont do the crime"...if you dont want to pay a huge fine...its quite simple...dont speed like a retard.

[GabAlmighty]

Guess i'll just have to upgrade to a GT35r... That way the cops simply wont be able to catch me.

[hk20000]

That is a good question.

I don't mind this type of offense being administered at roadside. It is not hard for an officer to determine you were 40+ over the limit, and little you can argue to defend yourself against it in court. It is a pretty open/shut case.

For those who want their day in court to hope the officer knocks it down or doesn't show, it doesn't make you less guilty.

FYI: People have beaten the similar law in Ontario, and the impound/towing fees are not reimbursed.
That's retarded, because the penalty for 39 over and 41 over is night and day. I reserve the right to challenge the accuracy of the equipment and/or it might so happens that my speedometer is not calibrated correctly (ahem BMWs) and there's discrepancy between what I know and what you think is the truth.

there's much to be discussed at the court here. A mis-calibrated instrument (like the radar gun) should easily throw out a case like this. But if the car is towed then wtf.

That's like having someone weigh your weed with an inaccurate scale and say that you just went over the threshold of personal consumption - hence criminal offense.

Then you get into a lawsuit and still get dinged for legal fees. No it does not work that way IRL if I can prove that your damn scale is useless.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

thats like anyone who does 120km at night should receives a VI


:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Tim Budong]

ok
yes this law will curb speeding
but it doesnt fix one big issue I have with our roadway system

there are spots in which the speed drops by 20km. Cops will set up traps right where it switches
and depending on time of day and how everyone is driving, yo are almost 90% sure to get dinged

say.. hwy99 northbound south end of massey tunnel. it goes from 100-80 within a 40m stretch..probably less. most cars will have hit maybe 85-95 depending on how fast you approach it. thats speeding already, albeit not to the extent of the new law

or say upperlevels headin back into vancouver. the downhill section, radar at the bottom of the hill, your going speed limit, but the car behind ya is tailgating, in most cases, becuz its a downhill, you will drive a bit faster to avoid an accident, in which you see a cop wave you down cuz u were speeding to protect your own ass. The car behind you might be a beater or an unskilled driver..or jsut someone in a hurry that might make a mistake and rearend you

[Meowjin]

Oh no I just did 130 down highway 99 4:30 AM WITH NOONE FUCKING AROUND. I AM SUCH A FUCKING THREAT.

[Leung_Dog]

we have to pay for the olympics some how. lol

[DHPEM1]

we have to pay for the olympics some how. lol

YES, first was the parking meter in downtown, HST and now this crap? I love this city!!

[gars]

haha, there's so much hate in this thread... everybody just complains about the city, the province, the government. If you really feel so strongly against it, write to your MLA. Or if he doesn't do anything, then vote for another one during election time.

[shenmecar]

I love the government. So much I think I'll move to Alberta.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Oh no I just did 130 down highway 99 4:30 AM WITH NOONE FUCKING AROUND. I AM SUCH A FUCKING THREAT.

try 121km

;)
YES, first was the parking meter in downtown, HST and now this crap? I love this city!!

fuck the goverment

[taylor192]

No money from the tickets though :( and with no tickets, taylor192 will shrivel up into a mazda miata

all in all, this new law is about as retarded as taylor192s sweet paint job.

and taylor, please don't respond to my post, I don't want to hear what you have to say.

That is the best way to put your tail between your legs yet! Make fun of me then turn and hide. :thumbsup: Goog job. Consider yourself reported too.

[taylor192]

That's retarded, because the penalty for 39 over and 41 over is night and day. I reserve the right to challenge the accuracy of the equipment and/or it might so happens that my speedometer is not calibrated correctly (ahem BMWs) and there's discrepancy between what I know and what you think is the truth.

If you go to court to argue between 39 and 41 you obviously know you were speeding and are guilty.

[taylor192]

haha, there's so much hate in this thread... everybody just complains about the city, the province, the government. If you really feel so strongly against it, write to your MLA. Or if he doesn't do anything, then vote for another one during election time.

It is not hate, it is stupidity. Look at the people responding against this new law, they cannot even put together a sentence properly, nevermind construct a valid argument.

[taylor192]

That's what I did a long time ago

Getting your car impounded for going 40km/h over is ridiculous.

So now it's not enough to just fine someone and raise your insurance, they want to withhold your property and make you pay for the impound fees too? What's next, they come to your house and take your TV and fridge too?

I don't care what the logic is behind that.... it SUCKS. :bullshit:

Leave peoples property alone.
I know you're a moderator, yet come on! Of course you don't care about logic, cause your post has none.

When you commit a crime they take the property used to commit it. Like I've pointed out, if you want higher speed limits that means greater driver education, and also stricter enforcement of those limits.

So you can have no speed limit on the S2S, yet like the Autobahn, when there is a speed limit you better obey it or risk stiffer penalties.

Then again, that's based on logic, which has just about been thrown out of this thread.

[1990TSI]

Goog job. Consider yourself reported too.

HEY GOOGZZ!!!!!



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-kwx3lWOdcU/TEmCGLC9hTI/AAAAAAAAAAc/FG6OVXLnyBM/s1600/officer-backtracer_cyber_police.jpg



Consider your self backtraced too.

[taylor192]

Ah, now 1990TSI is going to stalk me. :hay:

Try coming up with a better argument, and maybe you wouldn't have to fear my response.

[taylor192]

.

One member has already been warned by a moderator about personal attacks. I've sent him a PM. If you want to talk smack there's an entire section for it.

[vafanculo]

Usually I'm pro whatever law change (especially the phone ban while driving) but this one I don't see eye to eye with.

40km over is not only exceeding, but also dangerous to do so in the city. However on a highway with lots of space around is not too bad IMO.

I guess we'll never get an autobahn here lol
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[CanadaGoose]

I know you're a moderator, yet come on! Of course you don't care about logic, cause your post has none.

When you commit a crime they take the property used to commit it. Like I've pointed out, if you want higher speed limits that means greater driver education, and also stricter enforcement of those limits.

So you can have no speed limit on the S2S, yet like the Autobahn, when there is a speed limit you better obey it or risk stiffer penalties.

Then again, that's based on logic, which has just about been thrown out of this thread.

Going 40 km/h over is not a criminal offense.

I don't care what the logic is, and we are definitely not talking about a firearm being used to commit a crime here; to have the right to take and withhold someones property for going 150km/h in a 110km/h zone at 4 in the morning with no one around is bs.

Like I said in my original post, what's next then? They come and take your TV and fridge too? It's not right.

I know there's the deterrent perspective, but that's what traffic violation tickets are for.

[!Yaminashi]

One member has already been warned by a moderator about personal attacks. I've sent him a PM. If you want to talk smack there's an entire section for it.

This is correct. Keep the flaming and personal attacks out. This thread is for a discussion only.

If you have a problem with a certain user, move it to fight club.

You've been warned.

[CanadaGoose]

Flame baiting and purposeful provoking in the general forums will be treated equally as flaming. Like Yaminshi stated, if you have a problem with a certain user, move it to fight club.

Thank you

[JiggaZed]

WHOA, I JUST GIVE A FAT FUCK.

[Roach]

It is not hate, it is stupidity. Look at the people responding against this new law, they cannot even put together a sentence properly, nevermind construct a valid argument.

Excuse me? I can put together a sentence just fine. For someone who is reporting anyone and everyone they can, it's hypocritical of you to attack the linguistic skills of those opposed to this law and call those people stupid.

And really, the inability to put together a sentence does not mean that person's voice or opinion has any less weight than yours.

Just because you can put a sentence together doesn't mean you know what the fuck you're talking about.

Kev

[Lomac]

80km thru out highway 1, i find it funny doing 120km is necessary to impound my car and give me a $500 dollar ticket

It's 80km/hr right now because there's construction going on throughout a major stretch of the highway and most of the work is going on at night time. You don't drive 120km/hr when there's a bunch of people right on the other side of the two foot concrete barrier. However, don't forget that fines are double right now on Highway one as well... ;)

[bcrdukes]

Damn taylor. You eff'ed up. Done. GG'd.

[JiggaZed]

Mods, are you guys' stupid? You delete my comment calling him a baby, but you keep his comment making fun of everyone's linguistic skills? You guys are pathetic.

Edit: You'll probably realize now how dumb you are, so you'll probably delete this comment too, and furthermore, ban me.:thumbsup:

[Roach]

Damn taylor. You eff'ed up. Done. GG'd.

From someone who was happy to see his return. Thanks. Too combative and insulting.

Kev

[gars]

What I think would be a good idea is a speed limit that changes due to weather conditions. While I agree that driving a speed limit on some of the roads is slow on a nice and sunny day, when it's raining or snowing out - I find there are way too many idiots who are going fast even if they can't see a few in front of their cars.

I've seen it before (can't remember which country), but they have a real time board displaying the speed limit, they would lower it if the weather conditions called for slower speeds. In good weather and clearer roads, they could raise up the speeds.

[Berzerker]

What I think would be a good idea is a speed limit that changes due to weather conditions. While I agree that driving a speed limit on some of the roads is slow on a nice and sunny day, when it's raining or snowing out - I find there are way too many idiots who are going fast even if they can't see a few in front of their cars.

I've seen it before (can't remember which country), but they have a real time board displaying the speed limit, they would lower it if the weather conditions called for slower speeds. In good weather and clearer roads, they could raise up the speeds.

Actually there is a rule that if you crash because of the conditions you will be ticketed and fined accordingly. The tickets include "Driving to fast for conditions" and "Driving with undue care and attention" to name a couple. It's your responsibility as a driver to navigate the streets safely.

Berz out.

[CanadaGoose]

Mods, are you guys' stupid? You delete my comment calling him a baby, but you keep his comment making fun of everyone's linguistic skills? You guys are pathetic.

Edit: You'll probably realize now how dumb you are, so you'll probably delete this comment too, and furthermore, ban me.:thumbsup:

Your post was edited because of the flaming right after two mods warned about keeping the thread clean. All the previous posts were left because it's a waste of time to go through and edit them all, we have lives you know. His posts were left and instead he won't be posting at all anymore. We don't need his garbage attitude on here.

I know you were trying to be funny, but next time listen. This is an important topic and we need it to stay in this forum not fight club.

Back on topic.

Thanks

[penner2k]

I was talking to a couple buddies about this last night... All the guys with bikes and fast cars said they just wont be stopping..

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i drove with the flow of traffic this morning to richmond, cruising thru columbia street. And guess what? speed limite is 30km thru out new west area on columbia street, and everyone was going 60-70km.


Highway 91 i decided to follow the speed limite this morning and it was 90km. Everyone were either tailgating me or passing me than cut me off. Even a 95 EG civic is cutting me off


go figure
:rolleyes:

[gars]

Actually there is a rule that if you crash because of the conditions you will be ticketed and fined accordingly. The tickets include "Driving to fast for conditions" and "Driving with undue care and attention" to name a couple. It's your responsibility as a driver to navigate the streets safely.


But I've never heard of them giving out those tickets UNTIL you get in an accident. It shouldn't take an accident to tell some idiot that going the speed limit on a highway in heavy fog or snow or rain is dangerous.

[gars]

just a thought that came into my head - for discussion...

i know that most people on this board, if they speed, they'll do it on an empty road when nobody is around. But what about the people who are going insane speeds when people are around? I'm sure everybody has seen the idiot going 160 down the highway, even if there was traffic around.

How do you differentiate between the enthusiast who does speed up a little but is smarter and able to do it in a safer manner, and the guys who do it in broad daylight? because the idiots who make the roads unsafe, tailgaiting, swerving in and out of lanes (something that usually comes hand in hand) honestly does deserve to get his car impounded.

laws are supposed to be absolute (of course police officers can hand out warnings as opposed to an actual ticket), but how can you write a law and only enforce it partially?

[fliptuner]

So I just got home from work. I left PoCo at 6am.

-speed limit on Hwy 1 to N. Van @ 6am = 80km/hr - flow of traffic = 110km/hr
-drove home at 9:30am, same shit
-drove to Steveston/5rd at 10:30am - Hwy 91 (Connector) = 80km/hr - flow of traffic = 110-120km/hr

There was absolutely no one doing the limit or anything close to it - NOT ONE PERSON. Does that mean 100% of the drivers I was around were reckless? FUUUCK NO!!! It's obvious the speed limit is wrong.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

thats exactly what im saying

no one follows the speed limite, so dont throw the book at those that thinks its bullshit. Because bitch please, no one follows that garbage until a cop shows within sight


:rolleyes::bullshit:

[Tim Budong]

so if the speed limit were to be raised, will every follow it? or will everyone drive 20km faster than the posted sign again.

hwy99 posted speed limit is 100 south of tunnel. average speed 110-120 still
it will work..maybe 6months to a year. then things will move faster.

[agm]

I was talking to a couple buddies about this last night... All the guys with bikes and fast cars said they just wont be stopping..

you can outrun the police car but can you outrun the radio?

im tempted to research the speeding laws so i can see if i can get the same penalty for doing 300km/h in a 90 zone as i would for doing 40 over.

unfortunately im pretty sure they would just tack on 2-5 more charges, something like excessive speeding, and wreckless driving, driving without due care and attention, add on a humungus fine, take away my licence, etc.

just like prior to sept 20th dont speed excessively when people are around and you will continue to get away with it 20 times before you're caught once (on average).

[agm]

just a thought that came into my head - for discussion...

i know that most people on this board, if they speed, they'll do it on an empty road when nobody is around. But what about the people who are going insane speeds when people are around? I'm sure everybody has seen the idiot going 160 down the highway, even if there was traffic around.

How do you differentiate between the enthusiast who does speed up a little but is smarter and able to do it in a safer manner, and the guys who do it in broad daylight? because the idiots who make the roads unsafe, tailgaiting, swerving in and out of lanes (something that usually comes hand in hand) honestly does deserve to get his car impounded.

laws are supposed to be absolute (of course police officers can hand out warnings as opposed to an actual ticket), but how can you write a law and only enforce it partially?

valid points,
one of my friends was doing about 200 in a 50 zone once and of course got pulled over, and the police officer gave him normal speeding ticket instead of a gut wrenching penalty.

i KNOW it will turn out in similar fashion here,
most of the time they will probably give you a normal ticket unless they are in a mad mood, or you are a d-bag punk driver, or you just were speeding in bad taste.
its probably less paperwork.

i wonder if the impound lots will be 99% full at all times? lol

[Marco911]

here's a simple solution

if you want to speed and get ticketed + fined + points + impounded then sure, go ahead.

if you don't, then just don't speed!

so simple! what's there to be furious about?

people will just sit there and bitch bitch bitch all day long.


would you rather have this "stupid" law OR have the government

a) put 110km/h governor on all the vehicles on the road (since the max speed limit is 100 anyways)

b) install GPS monitoring devices on all the vehicles so they can track how fast they are traveling at any time?


just don't speed. WOW is that so hard not to follow? what are you? 16? super excited to drive for the first time and need to impress your friends? -__-

/end rant

1) I find that people who share your opinion either drive crappy cars that are more of a danger to other road users who drive at a reasonable and prudent speed (which can be 40km/h over the limit) or
2) People who are mentally slow and have difficulty processing multiple bits of information.

[Marco911]

valid points,
one of my friends was doing about 200 in a 50 zone once and of course got pulled over, and the police officer gave him normal speeding ticket instead of a gut wrenching penalty.

i KNOW it will turn out in similar fashion here,
most of the time they will probably give you a normal ticket unless they are in a mad mood, or you are a d-bag punk driver, or you just were speeding in bad taste.
its probably less paperwork.

i wonder if the impound lots will be 99% full at all times? lol

Wishful thinking. The cop will enjoy nothing more than to see your car impounded. Most traffic cops especially the older ones are a miserable lot.

[Marco911]

just a thought that came into my head - for discussion...

i know that most people on this board, if they speed, they'll do it on an empty road when nobody is around. But what about the people who are going insane speeds when people are around? I'm sure everybody has seen the idiot going 160 down the highway, even if there was traffic around.

How do you differentiate between the enthusiast who does speed up a little but is smarter and able to do it in a safer manner, and the guys who do it in broad daylight? because the idiots who make the roads unsafe, tailgaiting, swerving in and out of lanes (something that usually comes hand in hand) honestly does deserve to get his car impounded.

laws are supposed to be absolute (of course police officers can hand out warnings as opposed to an actual ticket), but how can you write a law and only enforce it partially?

That's not speeding that's driving without due care and attention...if an accident is involved and there are injuries, that's dangerous driving. Again the penalties for speeding are way more extreme than the effect on society.

[1exotic]

just a thought that came into my head - for discussion...

i know that most people on this board, if they speed, they'll do it on an empty road when nobody is around. But what about the people who are going insane speeds when people are around? I'm sure everybody has seen the idiot going 160 down the highway, even if there was traffic around.
How do you differentiate between the enthusiast who does speed up a little but is smarter and able to do it in a safer manner, and the guys who do it in broad daylight? because the idiots who make the roads unsafe, tailgaiting, swerving in and out of lanes (something that usually comes hand in hand) honestly does deserve to get his car impounded.

laws are supposed to be absolute (of course police officers can hand out warnings as opposed to an actual ticket), but how can you write a law and only enforce it partially?

160 on the highway isn't that fast....

[vafanculo]

160 on the highway isn't that fast....

No.. But it's not very smart/safe.

Unless there's no cars around, driving 160 on a highway when there's other cars doing a combination of 80-120 is asking for it.

I just wish the towing was at the discretion of the cop, in regards to how irratic the driver was or the traffic environment at the time.
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[Lomac]

1) I find that people who share your opinion either drive crappy cars that are more of a danger to other road users who drive at a reasonable and prudent speed (which can be 40km/h over the limit) or
2) People who are mentally slow and have difficulty processing multiple bits of information.

Not really. I'll admit that I do speed, though usually when it's late at night and there's no one on the road. Even then, I've sorta phased myself out of "excessive" speeding. I was driving my buddy's DB9 a short while back and though it was fun to see what it was capable of speed wise, I found myself realizing that there was really no point to it. To make myself even more glad I came to that point, a couple miles down the road from where I was riding a couple deer were standing in the middle of the road in a bend. If I had continued on at the speed I was going, there was no way I could have stopped in time.

That's something people tend not to think about - wildlife on the road. Sure, night time is all good and all for a little bit of spirited driving, but when you're bombing down back roads or even up in the mountains, you can come across deer, bears, raccoons and a bunch of other critters in the middle of the road when you least expect it. Sure, there's no people walking on the side, but animals can be just as dangerous, if not more. A deer ran into the side of my MX6 while I was going a measly 20km/hr and it left a huge dent in my fender. I can't imagine what would have happened if I was going faster and it ran out in front of me at the last moment.

Wishful thinking. The cop will enjoy nothing more than to see your car impounded. Most traffic cops especially the older ones are a miserable lot.

Yes and no. I've had lots of cops give me a simple warning ticket or even just flash their lights at me to let me know they've caught what I'm doing, yet simply continue on down the road once they see my speed drop. On the other hand, I've had a cop give me two full pages worth of tickets and warnings for things that I'm sure 99% of the other officers on the road would have looked the other way for. It really all does depend on the officer in question.

[Lomac]

160 on the highway isn't that fast....

For many parts of Hwy 1 and even Hwy 99, no. Right now, though, you have to be stupid to think about going those speeds at night on number one. As I mentioned earlier, there are dozens of people working on the other side of a barrier that's often no higher than waist height. One wrong move, one person ahead of you misjudging your speed as you come up to them, and you'll find yourself climbing that barrier and possibly into a group of workers.

[jlenko]

I look forward to reading the first post (likely on Sept 21st..?) in the Police forum...

"I got caught for excessive speeding, my (parent's) car got impounded, can I fight it?"

lol..

[gars]

160 on the highway isn't that fast....

no, but when there is traffic on the road, it is very fast. that's my point is that if the road was empty, it's no big deal, but for you to be screaming past traffic at 160, it's dangerous.

or as Lomac says - going 160 past construction sites.

[orgasm_donor]

I am pretty sure that cops will not be handing out the excessive ticket and impounding your car every chance they get. It takes a lot of time waiting for a two truck, doing all the paperwork and of course knowing that you will probably fight it later and see them in court.

Its more for dicks that speed in school and construcution zones, are driving recklessly, racing or roadrage, mouthing off once they get pulled over or just plain stupidity. I am sure all of the latter points are reserved for the most special douchebags and perhaps they deserve the ticket.

[Harvey Specter]

Just be glad we don't live in Ontario, the speeding rules are even stricter but it seems like this Province might be heading in the same direction.

And I don't know one person that actual does the speed limit on the highway. Like for example, I was driving from Vancouver to Surrey and before the Alex Fraser bridge they have a construction zone with a max speed limit of 90, lol good luck doing 90 and not been forced off the road. I was doing 110 and I was barely keeping up with traffic.

[ericthehalfbee]

I laugh when people compare us to Germany and think things are so great there. Believe me, if we adopted Germany's rules you'd find people here bitching all day long when they fiind out just how strict Germany really is.


Here's three I picked up with a quick scan of Germany's traffic laws.

How about a 1 month suspension for going 30km/h over the speed limit in the city (40km/h over outside a city)? Going 50km/h and 60km/h over results in 2 or 3 month suspensions.

How about getting a 1 month suspension for tailgating (considering how important it is to keep proper distances on the Autobahn and the fact most severe accidents are the result of following too closely, you can see why they enforce this). Tailgating really closely can get you a 2-3 month suspension.

Own a trailer/boat? Speed limit for you is 80km/h everywhere, Autobahn or not. Anyone recall the last time they saw someone pulling their boat to the lake and actually drive 80km/h? I usually go 100 km/h myself and even I get passed by other boaters.

[Marco911]

I am pretty sure that cops will not be handing out the excessive ticket and impounding your car every chance they get. It takes a lot of time waiting for a two truck, doing all the paperwork and of course knowing that you will probably fight it later and see them in court.

Its more for dicks that speed in school and construcution zones, are driving recklessly, racing or roadrage, mouthing off once they get pulled over or just plain stupidity. I am sure all of the latter points are reserved for the most special douchebags and perhaps they deserve the ticket.

Wishful thinking. It's an automatic penalty. Cops don't have discretion to pick the penalty, just the violation. If you are going 40+ over, and they charge you with excessive speeding, your vehicle is getting impounded.

[tee-tea]

“This really applies to the people speeding 100 kilometres in a 50-kilometre zone, say in front of a house, and a child ran out in front,”

wait what? who goes that fast in a 50 zone area?

[Blinky]

Wishful thinking. It's an automatic penalty. Cops don't have discretion to pick the penalty, just the violation. If you are going 40+ over, and they charge you with excessive speeding, your vehicle is getting impounded.

(emphasis added)

It really depends on if you're ticketed for excessive speeding. I can see a cop ticketing someone speeding by 20kph when they were, for instance, clocked at 42 kph. that's the police officer's other bit of discretion... kind of like how right now, they might catch someone excessively speeding, but might not write that on the ticket.

[orgasm_donor]

Wishful thinking. It's an automatic penalty. Cops don't have discretion to pick the penalty, just the violation. If you are going 40+ over, and they charge you with excessive speeding, your vehicle is getting impounded.

My point is that many cops will say..."uh, ok, I got you at 39 over...you are lucky! I could have financially sodomized you if you were going any faster"

They do it all the time. If you have a good attitude, admit your fault and do the obligatory "I promise not to do it again/I should know better" routine, then he will most likely have mercy and at the same time, save himself from hours of waiting, paperwork and bullshit.

[SumAznGuy]

My point is that many cops will say..."uh, ok, I got you at 39 over...you are lucky! I could have financially sodomized you if you were going any faster"

They do it all the time. If you have a good attitude, admit your fault and do the obligatory "I promise not to do it again/I should know better" routine, then he will most likely have mercy and at the same time, save himself from hours of waiting, paperwork and bullshit.

I think that is his point too. If the officer chooses to give you an excessive speeding ticket, then it is an automatic 7 day impoundment.
But it is up to the officer's discretion to give you the 40+ km/h excessive speeding ticket or a slightly less one. ie regular speeding or 20+ km/h over the limit ticket.

Personally, I don't care about this rule. If $400+ dollar fines isn't a deterent from excessive speeding, then car impoundment probably won't work either.

Death penalties doesn't deter people from murder or drug trafficking, but a world without laws would be anarchy.

[Death2Theft]

For the cost of impoundment everyone should just buy beaters and get them impounded till the lots are full and not pay.

[Mr.C]

Eh, I don't like it, but then again I see the reasoning. Most likely this came up in a city council meeting or something, where someone commented about people doing 80 in a 30, or 90 in a 50. I mean, which politician is not going to want to make a law like this? The unfortunate byproduct is that if you are unlucky, you will get your car impounded by doing 140 in Middle-of-nowhere, BC. Tough shit.

Truth is, unfortunately, laws like this are necessary here. There is no reason to drive 40 over in the city, no matter what. But people do it anyway. Think of it as a deterrent with an unfortunate casualty (highway driving).

If many drivers weren't so damn irresponsible to continue to be caught speeding in urban areas, then I bet this law would have never been enacted.

[zulutango]

"the peace officer or another peace officer must
(g) cause the motor vehicle to be taken to and impounded at a place directed by the peace officer,

No discretion there if an excessive charge is laid...except for safety considerations given under the Act.

[zulutango]

For the cost of impoundment everyone should just buy beaters and get them impounded till the lots are full and not pay.

The drivers already subject to VI have been doing this for a long time now...or they use somebody else's car and leave them with an impounded vehicle and charges for their generosity in lending them the car.

[fliptuner]

For those saying that if the speed limit increased, people would drive 30+ over the faster limit.

So I was in the States yesterday. The limit on the I5 is 60 and 70mph, depending on the section of road. From the border to say... Tulalip, the limit was about 60%, 70mph, so let's go off that.

95% of the drivers were going between 67 and 73mph and a handful were going NO faster than 80mph.

Now the surface conditions of Hwy 1, within the GVRD are better (the I5 is bumpy and loud) BUT in comparison, that stretch of the I5 has:

-reflector (bumpy) lines
-longer on/off ramps
-better signage
-generally, more considerate drivers

So 3/4 conditions can easily be rectified, especially since Hwy1 is in the process of getting redone.

Right now the lines on Hwy1 (GVRD), absolutely suck. They go all over the place and the ones they cover with black paint (when lanes get moved, construction) can easily be confusing (especially when it's raining).

What's my point?
Fix the Hwy, educate drivers and increase the limit to 110km/h (70mph). If they want to implement an excessive speeding/impound infraction after that, go for it. Hell, make it anything over 30km/h past the limit.

[snowball]

^

The speeding fines in the states are harsher and cops are bigger assholes so people are more afraid to speed down there, between Bellingham and Burlington where the limit is 60, most people actually go 60 because the cops are everywhere.

Regardless, I always see punkass kids from BC driving 80 and getting tickets and then complaining about it in the Police forum.

[fliptuner]

...reads your post, hit "back" and looks three posts down.....hahahhaa

[FX35]

Man. So many hatred and fury on RS.

[SumAznGuy]

^

The speeding fines in the states are harsher and cops are bigger assholes so people are more afraid to speed down there, between Bellingham and Burlington where the limit is 60, most people actually go 60 because the cops are everywhere.

Speeding tickets are serious business in the US. One ticket may only cost you $198 USD, but that ticket now puts you into the "high risk" catagory and since they are private insurance, companies and choose to not insure you or do it at a higher rate.

But even though the fines are higher/harsher there are still people who speed in the US.

[EDub_]

I think this law is great for the douchebags you see doing 120 down 152nd in the fully blacked out G35's, etc. You all know the type. Not the enthusiast that knows when and where are the proper places to speed a bit, but the loser that has little to no regard for anyone else.

Unfortunately for us enthusiasts who like to drive at a quicker pace down the bigger open freeway's we could be paying the price. I never speed in the city more then 10-15km/h pretty much just flow of traffic, sometimes a bit more. On the 99 though, I usually cruise at 130km/h. And I find I only really speed excessively on hwy 99 and in the middle of the night. I would highly consider running now if I still had my car.

Now that I've got my truck, I seem to drive like a grampa.

[shenmecar]

What if you're driving a rental car and got ticketed for excessive speeding? Does the rental car get impounded?

[SumAznGuy]

Most likely, and the rental company will bill you for the time that the car isn't rentable.

[Mr.C]

For those saying that if the speed limit increased, people would drive 30+ over the faster limit.

So I was in the States yesterday. The limit on the I5 is 60 and 70mph, depending on the section of road. From the border to say... Tulalip, the limit was about 60%, 70mph, so let's go off that.

95% of the drivers were going between 67 and 73mph and a handful were going NO faster than 80mph.

Now the surface conditions of Hwy 1, within the GVRD are better (the I5 is bumpy and loud) BUT in comparison, that stretch of the I5 has:

-reflector (bumpy) lines
-longer on/off ramps
-better signage
-generally, more considerate drivers

So 3/4 conditions can easily be rectified, especially since Hwy1 is in the process of getting redone.

Right now the lines on Hwy1 (GVRD), absolutely suck. They go all over the place and the ones they cover with black paint (when lanes get moved, construction) can easily be confusing (especially when it's raining).

What's my point?
Fix the Hwy, educate drivers and increase the limit to 110km/h (70mph). If they want to implement an excessive speeding/impound infraction after that, go for it. Hell, make it anything over 30km/h past the limit.

You forgot to mention that there should be enforcement too. No sense in having a 110 limit and a bunch of people doing 140+.

I was also coming up yesterday from Seattle, and I'm quite sure I saw two officers inside a 95 oldsmobile. Now that's undercover.

110-120 is fast enough for here, imo. Especially given how bad people drive and how easy it is to get a licence.

[Mancini]

every car nowadays are 300hp+, bigger brakes, summer tires seems to be standard.

Really?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

no, not really

[JD¹³]

Damn taylor. You eff'ed up. Done. GG'd.
:rofl: I missed it, what'd that noob say this time!? :noob:
And WTF my posts still can't get thanks, weird.

[falcon]

For those saying that if the speed limit increased, people would drive 30+ over the faster limit.

So I was in the States yesterday. The limit on the I5 is 60 and 70mph, depending on the section of road. From the border to say... Tulalip, the limit was about 60%, 70mph, so let's go off that.

95% of the drivers were going between 67 and 73mph and a handful were going NO faster than 80mph.

Now the surface conditions of Hwy 1, within the GVRD are better (the I5 is bumpy and loud) BUT in comparison, that stretch of the I5 has:

-reflector (bumpy) lines
-longer on/off ramps
-better signage
-generally, more considerate drivers

So 3/4 conditions can easily be rectified, especially since Hwy1 is in the process of getting redone.

Right now the lines on Hwy1 (GVRD), absolutely suck. They go all over the place and the ones they cover with black paint (when lanes get moved, construction) can easily be confusing (especially when it's raining).

What's my point?
Fix the Hwy, educate drivers and increase the limit to 110km/h (70mph). If they want to implement an excessive speeding/impound infraction after that, go for it. Hell, make it anything over 30km/h past the limit.

Once the new freeway is done I can see them upping the limit to 100kph or there abouts all the way.

[FerrariEnzo]

the hwys in BC are sooo bunk...

1-2 lanes with traffic lights are called hwy... damn

i agree about raising the speed limit but only in certain parts.. not everything all together..

[Mr.C]

Once the new freeway is done I can see them upping the limit to 100kph or there abouts all the way.

Hopefully. I mean, if you can do 100 on Hwy1 past Hope, reason says you should be able to do at least that on a five-lane modern highway.

We'll see, I guess.

[HappyMan]

going 10 - 20km over on the highway is really common... but that's about it i think... there's no need to be going any faster than that..

[wasabisashimi]

great another gay homo ass law


fuck the law, laws are meant to be broken

paying $300-400 is no problem, but getting impounded for 7 days is seriously fucking ridiculous



:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I guess if driver is rich ($400 ticket will be pocket change) and own a couple sports cars, they can rotate being impounded. Blue lambo on mondy, red ferrari for tuesday, ....so on

[fliptuner]

It's actually a $400+tow+storage fees+your Lambo being surrounded by beaters, tow yard employees and possibly towed incorrectly. Then add the cost of the points after your first offence and the fact that the second offence gets your car taken away for 30 days. I'm sure by the 3rd or 4th time, the Superintendant of Motor Vehicles will be suspending your licence.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

so i guess those that wants to speed, do it now and do it everyday.

Before the 20th comes
:thumbsup:

[JD¹³]

A friend had his bike impounded for street racing on the side of the road for simply leaving a light next to a bike in the same lane, going a little over the 50km/h limit, and then slowing down and stopping at the next light. He watched as the tow operator who had no idea what he was doing basically ruin the lower bodywork as he loaded it incorrectly. He now has to fight them to get the cost of having it replaced reimbursed. His charge was thrown out by the Superintendant of Motor Vehicles because it was so ludicrous but will never be reimbursed for the week he was without a license and vehicle. He also has to battle to get his towing and impounding fees reversed! An overzealous cop having a bad day can issue a bullshit ticket, with no repercussions or ability for you to fight it before being guilty, and cost you hundreds to thousands of dollars.

The other issue here are tow-yard employees. I went with a customer to bike up a bike once after it he had been in an accident and he was taken to hospital for the night...... to find a yard employee doing a burnout off the limiter on his bike to the applause of his coworkers! Who's going to cover the costs of any damage done to vehicles in cases like these? Not ICBC that's for sure.

It is NOT right that ICBC, a PRIVATE corporation, has this kind of power over the citizens of this province. All these impounding laws are serious bullshit. A private corporation shouldn't have the right to hold your personal property especially since these aren't serious or criminal offenses like a DUI, hit and run, etc. If using the road is a privilege and not a right then take away the license that allows people to use that privilege, but taking their property should be fucking illegal.

[monkeywrench]

A friend had his bike impounded for street racing on the side of the road for simply leaving a light next to a bike in the same lane, going a little over the 50km/h limit, and then slowing down and stopping at the next light. He watched as the tow operator who had no idea what he was doing basically ruin the lower bodywork as he loaded it incorrectly. He now has to fight them to get the cost of having it replaced reimbursed. His charge was thrown out by the Superintendant of Motor Vehicles because it was so ludicrous but will never be reimbursed for the week he was without a license and vehicle. He also has to battle to get his towing and impounding fees reversed! An overzealous cop having a bad day can issue a bullshit ticket, with no repercussions or ability for you to fight it before being guilty, and cost you hundreds to thousands of dollars.

The other issue here are tow-yard employees. I went with a customer to bike up a bike once after it he had been in an accident and he was taken to hospital for the night...... to find a yard employee doing a burnout off the limiter on his bike to the applause of his coworkers! Who's going to cover the costs of any damage done to vehicles in cases like these? Not ICBC that's for sure.

It is NOT right that ICBC, a PRIVATE corporation, has this kind of power over the citizens of this province. All these impounding laws are serious bullshit. A private corporation shouldn't have the right to hold your personal property especially since these aren't serious or criminal offenses like a DUI, hit and run, etc. If using the road is a privilege and not a right then take away the license that allows people to use that privilege, but taking their property should be fucking illegal.

Damn that's sad to hear about your friend's bike. I really agree to the last few lines of your post, Especially about them using private corporations to take our property away.
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[MarkyMark]

I think it's good, I'm tired of pricks who just got their license driving around like they know what they are doing, cutting me off going 150 on the highway. I'm 26 years old and I remember what it was like driving fast for no reason because it was "cool", it's just that now instead of it being my dads grand am it's a Audi R8 with an N on the back.
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[JiggaZed]

I think it's good, I'm tired of pricks who just got their license driving around like they know what they are doing, cutting me off going 150 on the highway. I'm 26 years old and I remember what it was like driving fast for no reason because it was "cool", it's just that now instead of it being my dads grand am it's a Audi R8 with an N on the back.
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So basically you're jealous because you had to try and speed around in you dad's grand am whereas these guys get to speed around in R8's with an N on the back. Cool.

[Great68]

Soooo uhhhhh


How many of you who hate this law voted BC Liberal?

[MarkyMark]

So basically you're jealous because you had to try and speed around in you dad's grand am whereas these guys get to speed around in R8's with an N on the back. Cool.

Not exactly, my point is I grew up and no longer bitch like a pussy who's worried about my car being towed because I speed too much. It's easy enough to be an idiot with 130 horsepower I don't need some stupid shit crossing over the center line and hitting me head on because they want to learn what 450hp feels like when they have had their license less than a month.
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[Tapioca]

I can't believe I missed this - what a discussion.

This is a car enthusiasts' website, so naturally, the law wasn't going to go well here. But, for the general public, this law makes sense as it gives the police the authority to crack down on the real problems like speeding in school and construction zones.

The sad reality is that even if some of the views expressed here were to be shared by some sympathetic politicians, they would never wash with the general public. And I agree that the way law is structured makes it a cash grab. But you know what? We have some of the lowest taxes in the country (despite what people think - check CRA's website and compare tax rates) and considering that it is very difficult to raise income and property taxes, the money's gotta come from some where. Like taxing smokers, this is an easy way to generate revenue. Hating on the politicians is easy, but running a city/province/country is more difficult than it seems.

It's too bad that taylor192 got banned. Be sure to catch his greatest hits on the forums over at Red Flag Deals.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

its ok no one is gonna miss taylor or his C230

[1exotic]

Yeah I don't know why ppl are being pussies, maybe it's becuase your car doesn't pull hard enough, so you just say o ya I agree with this law? I don't get it....

If you don't feel safe behind the wheel doing 140'ish then you gotta grow a pair.

Highway speed should be 150, that would be perfect. So then we can do 160/170, 10/20 over the limit. 200 would be per-fucking-fect.


so if we got 3 lanes on highway 1 lets say, right lane 100, middle 150, left 200.. that's how it's gone bro.

[ericthehalfbee]

^ You're an idiot and once again prove through your posts that you know nothing about how vehicles handle and perform.

[1exotic]

so i guess those that wants to speed, do it now and do it everyday.

Before the 20th comes
:thumbsup:

I'll continue to speed after the 20th.

You just gotta be aware of your surroundings and drive faster in the right places.

Also that's what radars are for.

[1exotic]

^ You're an idiot and once again prove through your posts that you know nothing about how vehicles handle and perform.

I've been driving manual since 8.

so thanks.


like I said, throw all the pussies in the right, throw all the average drivers in the middle, throw all the people who have a pair in the left. problem solved. everyone is happy.

In reality that won't happen ^, but just saying... why not.

[Mr.C]

I've been driving manual since 8.

so thanks.


like I said, throw all the pussies in the right, throw all the average drivers in the middle, throw all the people who have a pair in the left. problem solved. everyone is happy.

In reality that won't happen ^, but just saying... why not.

What do you suggest be done about those who think they can drive, but in reality can't?

Maybe I'm alone in thinking that if you want to drive fast, take it to the track. Oh well.

[MarkyMark]

I'm not totally against speeding, but when you think laws are unfair when you're going 40km/h over the limit then it's time to give your head a shake, because you clearly do it far too often. Certain areas could use a higher speed limit but as far as highways go, 150 might be nice when it's sunny out but when the roads get wet I'll assume most idiots won't adjust and there will be a lot of accidents
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[1exotic]

What do you suggest be done about those who think they can drive, but in reality can't?

Maybe I'm alone in thinking that if you want to drive fast, take it to the track. Oh well.

I donno.

I think everyone should eat power bars for breakfast and everyone should drive rwd/manual so everyone can tandem drift around.


that's just me.

[Lomac]

I've been on hundreds of drives with hundreds of different people over the years. I started out with the Corvette club with my uncle when I was maybe 10 or so and slowly progressed over the years to different car clubs. The one constant I've noticed over the past years is that the people who professed themselves to be great drivers and know what they're doing are, typically, actually pretty unaware and not as great as they believe themselves to be. I'm talking about people from the 'Vette, VW, S13, and Mustang clubs and even Revscene. I hear (or read, rather) all this talk about how safe they are, how aware of their surroundings they claim to be, how they'll never speed if there's other cars on the road... And you know what? It's usually all bullshit.

One prime example: I went out with a buddy of mine and we joined a local car club who's designation will remain nameless. While there was a bit of spirited driving, it wasn't too bad (most of these cars are setup for auto-x, so we were tackling the local twisties with some fervour). However, we hit one stretch of straight road and most of the other cars took off at a high speed (think 100+ in a 60 zone), weaving in and out of a fairly busy road. Since we knew the eventual destination, my buddy and I stayed back in our respective cars and let them take off. We catch up with them about ten minutes later and they're all pulled over by an undercover officer and are being threatened with having their cars impounded and tickets for street racing, though amusingly the cop looks at us and tell us to take off.

My point is that every single one of those guys that got pulled over claimed the exact same things that most others say: "I'm a safe driver; I'll never speed when other cars are around, and never do unsafe shit to jeopardize other people's lives."

It's bullshit. I know because I was there at one point in my life; I thought I was the world's greatest driver (well, not really... but I considered myself to be pretty decent). But as I started doing amateur auto-x and circuit racing, I realized just how little I knew about handling cars at high speed and how little time you have to react should something go amiss when you're travelling at 160km/hr. And that's just on a controlled environment. When you're on a highway bombing along at 160 at night, if an animal pops into view, chances are you're hitting it. And if you've ever hit a raccoon at that speed, it's not just going to bounce off the car and you'll be on your merry way. Even worse, you'll try to quickly avoid it and misjudge your turn and create an even bigger problem for yourself.

Maybe I'm getting older, or maybe I'm starting to see the errors in my misguided youth (fuck, I'm not that old yet), but while I still enjoy the odd burst of illegal speed, I'd rather go down South or to the East and do it properly on a track. I've already had one near-hit involving a deer and high speed; I'm not going to be an idiot and risk it again.

My two cents. I realize it's not popular, but it's the truth from what I've observed over the years of hosting and participating in many, many cruises.

Side note: I was bombing down Hwy1 last year between the 232nd and 200th exits at about 120 or so in the right lane. A semi truck was ahead of me and I wanted to pass. I checked my mirrors and saw a vehicle about three-quarters of a click behind me in the left lane... plenty of space. So I turn on my blinkers and change lanes. As soon as I finish pulling into the left lane and come about parallel with the semi truck trailer's rear axles, I see highbeams flashing in my rear view mirror. The fucker who was so far behind me was suddenly right on my ass. I was already doing 120... this guy must have been doing at least 180/190 in order for him to close that gap in such a short amount of time. Don't tell me that's safe.

For what it's worth, I do know the driver of that car is on Revscene and if I ever see you on a Revscene cruise, I will tell you to fuck off and that you're not welcome to join in the drive.

[Lomac]

One more thing - If the limits get raised to, say, 150... that means you're going to have grandma's in 80's Cadillacs and electricians in cargo vans and semi-trucks attempting to go that speed. I'll guarantee that these people are all far less familiar with their vehicles at that speed than most enthusiasts who take their cars to the track. Just because my car might be able to go from 150-0km/hr in 150 feet, it doesn't mean the Cadillac behind me can... and chances are I have far better reflexes than said grandma.

[gars]

Especially on an enthusiast car forum, how many people here will admit that they're a below average driver. I'm sure everyone here will say that they're a good driver, aware of their surroundings. Me, I'm a perfect driver like everybody else.

I got in an accident the other day, honestly the worse one I've ever been in (it wasn't even all that bad to be honest, probably only $1500 in damage or so) in the 8 years I've been driving. But it was just amazingly stressful, being that it was my sister-in-law's car, it was on the morning of my sister's wedding, and I was driving to deliver the bouquets to bridesmaids, along with all the boutineers that the groomsmen and groom were wearing. I wasn't going fast, I was going about 40, just coming up the right lane into the blindspot of a truck, he cut me off without checking properly first, but I hit the brakes and locked the tires (it was raining out and the car didn't have ABS), and couldn't stop in time so he sandwiched me into the curb.

This is the first accident where I was even moving, all the other times I was stationary at a light, or in a parking lot, and I was hit by other cars. But as defensive a driver I was, there are some accidents you just can't avoid, and this applies to you if you're going 40km/h, or 160km/h. It dawned on me that I'm not invincible, and as good a driver I think I am, shit happens and you just have to be thankful that you didn't get hurt. When I start going faster, I start thinking now, why do I need to go so fast. Sure, the acceleration feels cool, but is it really necessary?

I'm not going to lie. I've gone 160 before when I was 18. Hell, I've driven 175km/h on the autobahn, bouncing off the limiter in 5th gear in my little rental car. But now I'm glad it didn't take a massive accident to make me to learn my lesson that speed really isn't all that great. I'm really pressuring my sister to have kids now, because I think it would be amazing to be an uncle... but then I started thinking, I would be scared to drive them out on the roads, because I don't want the responsibility of it all - I would never be able to look my sister in the eye if anything had happened... Then I read all you guys talking about speeding. It's true that most of you would do it on remote roads, but I know some of the people who post here - are like the idiot that Lomac is talking about, and it just makes me worried - not just for my safety, but for any passengers in my car that might get hurt.

[ericthehalfbee]

One more thing - If the limits get raised to, say, 150... that means you're going to have grandma's in 80's Cadillacs and electricians in cargo vans and semi-trucks attempting to go that speed. I'll guarantee that these people are all far less familiar with their vehicles at that speed than most enthusiasts who take their cars to the track. Just because my car might be able to go from 150-0km/hr in 150 feet, it doesn't mean the Cadillac behind me can... and chances are I have far better reflexes than said grandma.

Except that no car in the world can go from 150-0 in 150 feet. A fully loaded semi truck takes about the same distance to stop from 100 km/h to 0 as any modern sports car can from 150km/h to 0.

[SuperSlowSS]

Sol.-Gen. Mike de Jong said Thursday that excessive speeding leads to many fatal car accidents.

“What we know is that speed is the No. 1 contributing factor to fatalities in car accidents in the province,” said Cpl. Jamie Chung of the RCMP E Division’s traffic services section.

I like to know how many of those fatal accidents involves alcohol. :)

Having a hard number like 40kph is just stupid. It should really be a percentage. But I guess you can't expect all the cops doing basic elementary math while working. That would be too hard.

[wasabisashimi]

So I turn on my blinkers and change lanes. As soon as I finish pulling into the left lane and come about parallel with the semi truck trailer's rear axles, I see highbeams flashing in my rear view mirror. The fucker who was so far behind me was suddenly right on my ass. I was already doing 120... this guy must have been doing at least 180/190 in order for him to close that gap in such a short amount of time. Don't tell me that's safe.



Well said.
You guys ever notice that sometimes using blinker will trigger acceleration from douchbag drivers who wont allow you to cut him off due to high ego from foreign object sticking up the ass

[Lomac]

Except that no car in the world can go from 150-0 in 150 feet.

Semantics. It was just a random number and it doesn't affect the point I was making.

[PK-EK]

bump!
thing starts today!

No more street racing QQ
:lol

[hk20000]

You know what's needed to make everyone happy is just a 2 stage speed limit on highways with 3 lanes or more.

Vehicles on the far left lane MUST be above 120km/h and maximum speed limit is 150.

While the right 2 lanes are business as usual. How hard could it be?

And we should totally ban the use of left lane for vehicles over 3 tons. Simple physics.

[drunkrussian]

i'm not a fan of this law at all

but i do have to admit that for me these laws work. I very rarely use my cell phone while driving nowdays, and i've already been training myself to watch my speeds.

It's very ridiculous and unnecessary though. The fine should be much smaller and instead, they should put out a bunch of marketing and warnings and arrests out there to scare me into it, instead of using a cost incentive. $1500 is completely unreasonable.

I also wonder if this will result in any people driving so slow, that it actually becomes dangerous lol

[SumAznGuy]

Listening to news 1130, 12:20 am this morning, N. Van RCMP handed out the first 3 day impoundment for a guy who was caught DUI.

[vafanculo]

Listening to news 1130, 12:20 am this morning, N. Van RCMP handed out the first 3 day impoundment for a guy who was caught DUI.

In his defense he was probably too drunk to remember the new rules started today. Glad he's off the roads
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[falcon]

Now I don't speed 40 over, but the only thing that worries me is lets say for instance you're driving along the pat bay highway in Vic on the way to the ferries. And when it goes from 90kph to 50kph, you're doing a shoulder check/changing lanes and miss the sign. Then a cop pulls you over and takes your license away.

That is the ONLY thing that's BS. Anyone going 140kph on the #1 should get their license taken away anyways... no reason to go above 110-120kph. Vancouver and the surrounding area is so close in density that the extra 30kph will save you like 10 minutes here and there. Worth it? Not hardly.

[1990TSI]

open your mind a bit Falcon! There are still highways with 60-80km/h speed limits!

try driving to whistler with this rule in effect.

no need for anything more than a civic now, anyone want to buy a genesis?

[shenmecar]

One word: Autobahn.

[taylor192]

And when it goes from 90kph to 50kph, you're doing a shoulder check/changing lanes and miss the sign. Then a cop pulls you over and takes your license away.
Not just missing the sign, many (myself included) coast down to the new limit. Consider doing 100 in an 80, coasting down you might be 95 in a 50 and bam, car impounded.

I don't think this is fair. Ontario cops used speed changes to catch speeders when 50+ law was introduced. BC cops will probably do the same, so everyone please watch your speed at speed changes, especially at some of the notorious spots for speed traps.

[1990TSI]

One word: Autobahn.

We don't need an autobahn, we need realistic speed limits and better driver training.

make people take a drivers test every 5 years and bump the speed limits. I bet they'd make a killing re-testing everyone, and keeping the shitty drivers off the road.


PLEASE DO THIS!!!

ICBC can you hear me now?

[mb_]

One word: Autobahn.

Two words: Bad drivers

But if you're trying to say a lot of the roads have retarded speed limits then I agree

[JSALES]

better watch my speed tonight when i drive down marine to get to the airport haha

[taylor192]

We don't need an autobahn, we need realistic speed limits and better driver training.
Lets face it, traffic in the GVA sucks, and > 50% of people in BC live in the GVA. Improving traffic in the GVA would net the biggest impact and get you the most votes to push this through.

In the GVA there's few highways, most of us are on city streets with limits of 50 or 60 that just cannot be raised due to the amount of intersections, alleys, entrances, sidewalks, bike lanes, ... Plus during rush hour some of these turn into parking lots anyways. Yet outside of rush hour what's slows you down the most? Red lights. If I could cruise without hitting a single red light outside of rush hour that would be a better improvement than any speed limit change.

Some of the US cities I've been to have a system that outside of rush hour certain lights change to flashing yellows and reds. The main direction getting a flashing yellow (go through with caution) and the lesser traveled direction getting a flashing red (stop, proceed when clear).

[q0192837465]

I like to coast too. I've seen quite a few who brake hard when they see the 50km/hr sign from a highway. Almost rear ended that c-lai.

[Great68]

Shit, for a split second I hit 121km/h accelerating onto an 80km/h highway today...

Better take my car away!

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lame ass rule starts today


this is just fucking great


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[tofu1413]

stupid law.



thank god im putting my car away and not driving it. hope the law would be gone once i get my ITR out again... :D

[jlenko]

So, who's been caught so far?

We need some good stories :)

[gdoh]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/drivers+make+easy+pickings/3554128/story.html

The five drivers were issued violation tickets ranging from $348 to $483, will receive three penalty points on their driver's licence and will have to play an ICBC driver-risk premium of $320 per year for three years over and above their insurance premium, said Marks.

"The cost of towing and storage is on average $350," said Marks. "As you can easily see, excessively speeding is a very expensive proposition. With a specified penalty of $368, a driver may be required to pay additional penalties totalling over $1,650. The message here is obey the speed limit."

[CorneringArtist]

And we should totally ban the use of left lane for vehicles over 3 tons. Simple physics.

Sections of Washington I-5 already has a variation of this. Regular traffic limit is 70 mph, trucks (probably semis) is 60. That basically forces heavier trucks to stay in the right lane. I for one would want that style, including the bumped up limits.

[taylor192]

Sections of Washington I-5 already has a variation of this. Regular traffic limit is 70 mph, trucks (probably semis) is 60. That basically forces heavier trucks to stay in the right lane. I for one would want that style, including the bumped up limits.
When I dove across the US I noticed this often, one limit for semis (55-65), a higher limit for everyone else (65-75).

But holy crap the speed limits are heavily enforced. On highways that were 75, everyone was doing 75, or ~120 kmph. Traffic on most highways in Canada travel at ~10-20 kmph over the limit, so essentially we have the 70-75 mph that many are quoting, without the strict enforcement. I'd rather have less strict enforcement than the society of fear in the US, and I'd hope those who dislike power tripping cops would agree.

[Soundy]

So, who's been caught so far?

We need some good stories :)

From a friend's Facebook status:

http://www2.moltenimage.com/photos/revscene/speeding1.jpg

[taylor192]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/drivers+make+easy+pickings/3554128/story.html
"These five drivers exceeded the speed limit by 50, 53, 55, 56 and 69 km/h."
This is actually a good sign. :thumbsup: They are not picking on 40,41,42,... ie those on the limit of 40 kmph over who might just had an inaccurate speedo. Doubtfully there was no-one going 40-50 over.

[Soundy]

Are they not... or is there just nobody going within the 40-50 range where they're set up?

Why don't you go test the theory for us :D

[taylor192]

Are they not... or is there just nobody going within the 40-50 range where they're set up?

Why don't you go test the theory for us :D
No thanks :D yet I'm sure I'll push the limits at some point since the 99 near the Oak st bridge is 60 kmph.

It is probable that no-one was traveling 40-50, yet I personally doubt it. The law is here, so we gotta look on the bright side: at least it appear that officers are not nitpicking 40, 41, 42, ... over.

[JD¹³]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/drivers+make+easy+pickings/3554128/story.html
$1650 for going 40 over the limit is absolute horseshit no matter how you spin it. Fuck ICBC!

[gdoh]

^it is horseshit but you have a choice of risking it or leaving earlier

if i get caught i will lose my license because im on probation still and on top of this with my already 45% premium there will be another $320 for 3years wich i cannot afford

so i will chose to go slower

[SumAznGuy]

$1650 for going 40 over the limit is absolute horseshit no matter how you spin it. Fuck ICBC!

While deep down I still think it is a money grab, it is also the driver's own fault for going 40+ over the limit. Comeon, 90+ in a 30 zone. What were you thinking? Won't somebody please think about the children.

[fliptuner]

Doing 90 on the White Rock strip (30) is retarded. Not only cause it's not safe but, fuck, cops are there all the time - that just makes him a total rItard.

120 on Hwy1 or Sea to Sky is totally different IMO.

[taylor192]

$1650 for going 40 over the limit is absolute horseshit no matter how you spin it. Fuck ICBC!

Here is the guide for most of Europe, Canada falls in the middle of the pack. Be glad we haven't adopted what France, Finland or Denmark has. Yikes!

http://www.logitravel.com/blog/english/2008/06/04/complete-guide-to-speed-limits-and-speeding-fines-for-europe.aspx

Japan is even stricter than France!

http://www.pref.ibaraki.jp/bukyoku/seikan/kokuko/e-ibaraki-report/0612demerits.html

Here are the speed limits by country. We're again about average, although 130 kmph limits in some countries would be nice here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country

[spyker]

While deep down I still think it is a money grab

Of course it's a money grab,if it wasn't,would the fine be this high.It's nothing more than a revenue generator,the province is flat broke nowadays.

[Soundy]

$1650 for going 40 over the limit is absolute horseshit no matter how you spin it. Fuck ICBC!

Then don't go 40 over, idiot. Nobody NEEDS to go 40 over.

[Soundy]

Of course it's a money grab,if it wasn't,would the fine be this high.It's nothing more than a revenue generator,the province is flat broke nowadays.

This argument is so ignorant.

What happens if people actually slow down (and/or stop drinking and driving) because of the new penalties? What happens to the revenue generator then? The stream dries up; the generator is self-obsoleting.

Stop and think for a moment before posting this kind of drivel.

[originalhypa]

Then don't go 40 over, idiot. Nobody NEEDS to go 40 over.

Nice.
Consider the stretch between Maple Ridge and Coquitlam where one can hit over 40 very easily. What about Marine drive where the 4 lane highway with very few areas for traffic to enter or leave, and the limit is only 50kmh. Is going 90kmh on a 4 lane highway unreasonable?

Your reply sure was.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

omg i did 121km today on the hwy today i need to get my license taken away
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Tapioca]

This argument is so ignorant.

What happens if people actually slow down (and/or stop drinking and driving) because of the new penalties? What happens to the revenue generator then? The stream dries up; the generator is self-obsoleting.

Stop and think for a moment before posting this kind of drivel.

Give the bureaucrats a little more credit. The fines are likely based on a simple model which takes into account the reduction of fines over a period of time. There will always be idiots out there who will get caught and this was probably factored in. You can't legislate against stupid behaviour.

$1650 for going 40 over the limit is absolute horseshit no matter how you spin it. Fuck ICBC!

It's really quite simple: move to Alberta or Montana or get organized and start a lobby group against the new laws. I hear that the Civil Liberties Union is already putting up a fuss. Maybe volunteer your time with them?

[JD¹³]

Here are the speed limits by country. We're again about average, although 130 kmph limits in some countries would be nice here.
Our limits on open roads and highways could be raised substantially in many cases but this argument has already been beaten to death so I won't start it again.

Soundy.... :noob:

[typ.]

Driving impaired law: (not too sure if it was posted already)

http://www.canadiandriver.com/2010/09/21/new-b-c-impaired-driving-laws-in-effect.htm

[taylor192]

While deep down I still think it is a money grab
If they wanted it to be a money grab make it a set fine, no impound, no points, no insurance premiums - yet ticket like mad. Essentially then speeding would only hurt your pocketbook, and if you had enough $$$ you could speed all the time.

[the shocker]

New law is dumb as fuck. Im fine with a ticket but getting a tow and impound is just stupid

[Fobman]

Driving impaired law: (not too sure if it was posted already)

http://www.canadiandriver.com/2010/09/21/new-b-c-impaired-driving-laws-in-effect.htm

damn the new impaired driving is pretty harsh too

[Drow]

i always see people driving 120 km/h on HWY 1. imo it should be the limit.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

cops are retarded, doing speed traps on barnet

from 70km to 50km

fucking lame

[Soundy]

New law is dumb as fuck. Im fine with a ticket but getting a tow and impound is just stupid

And THAT is exactly why the impoundment is being added - jerks like you who think it's just fine to just suck up the fine as the price for going stupidly fast with no regard for the rest of society.

Slow the fuck down and you won't have to worry about it. Simple enough concept?

[Soundy]

cops are retarded, doing speed traps on barnet

from 70km to 50km

fucking lame

Moreso than the retards who can't read the speed signs?

[JiggaZed]

And THAT is exactly why the impoundment is being added - jerks like you who think it's just fine to just suck up the fine as the price for going stupidly fast with no regard for the rest of society.

Slow the fuck down and you won't have to worry about it. Simple enough concept?

If the speed limit was 30 kmph everywhere you go, would you follow it?
STFU&GTFO

[bigzz786786]

heard on the radio this morning that the rcmp already got 5 people last night doing speeds of 40-120 over the limit!

how the fuck do they do 120 over the limit, and not have the thought "maybe im going to fast"

[vafanculo]

If the speed limit was 30 kmph everywhere you go, would you follow it?
STFU&GTFO

Ofcourse. Remember driving is a privilege not a right. If you don't like it, go to school, go into politics, and try and change it.
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Here is the guide for most of Europe, Canada falls in the middle of the pack. Be glad we haven't adopted what France, Finland or Denmark has. Yikes!

http://www.logitravel.com/blog/english/2008/06/04/complete-guide-to-speed-limits-and-speeding-fines-for-europe.aspx

Japan is even stricter than France!

http://www.pref.ibaraki.jp/bukyoku/seikan/kokuko/e-ibaraki-report/0612demerits.html

Here are the speed limits by country. We're again about average, although 130 kmph limits in some countries would be nice here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country

holly shit! japan driving while tired gives you jail time? and 300,000 yen fine? damn, no wonder they drive so damn good, can't afford to fuck up hahaha