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09-17-2010, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 | If your employers fire you for being an alcoholic you can also claim unlawful dismissal and discrimination. Even if it impacts your work performance.
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09-17-2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl If your employers fire you for being an alcoholic you can also claim unlawful dismissal and discrimination. Even if it impacts your work performance.  |
That is why you lay them off due to the poor economy and lack of work. Firing people is so not worth the effort.
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09-17-2010, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by quasi That is why you lay them off due to the poor economy and lack of work. Firing people is so not worth the effort. | If you lay someone off you can't fill their position for 6 months and you have to pay severance (which can be very costly with tenured employees). There was a case in ONT not too long ago where a man was a drug addict and was coming to work late, being hostile to other employees and possibly even presenting a danger to others and was let go because of this.
He sued and won an unlawful dismissal suit against his former employers on grounds of discrimination even though at the time he was in their employment he refused to admit he had a problem a drug issue.
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09-17-2010, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl If you lay someone off you can't fill their position for 6 months and you have to pay severance (which can be very costly with tenured employees). There was a case in ONT not too long ago where a man was a drug addict and was coming to work late, being hostile to other employees and possibly even presenting a danger to others and was let go because of this.
He sued and won an unlawful dismissal suit against his former employers on grounds of discrimination even though at the time he was in their employment he refused to admit he had a problem a drug issue. | You can in my field, construction is a whole different animal. People are let go and hired all the time severance is pretty much none existent. I think we've fired maybe 2 people in 20 years but probably laid off 300+ in that same time period, never ever had a problem.
If I worked in a field where it was harder to lay someone off and they were fucking me around I'd make their life hell. I'd first give them notice, if it's 3 weeks or a month whatever it is so I don't have to pay them anything. I'd then make them do the shittiest of shitty work, the type they can fuck up and it won't effect me until they quit. If it was for us I'd change their job title and have them do something like guard the shitter and make sure nobody fucks with it for 8 hours a day. If they don't quit oh well, I got to fuck with them for a month and they don't get shit. That would be so much more rewarding then paying them to sit at home.
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09-17-2010, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl If you lay someone off you can't fill their position for 6 months and you have to pay severance (which can be very costly with tenured employees). | Severance is capped at 8 weeks, 1 week a year for each year of working. Still a hard hit, yet not as bad as keeping a bad employee.
You cannot fill "their position" yet you can fill a different position with overlapping criteria. It would take the employee knowing someone on the inside to prove their position was 100% replaced, and most people with a decent severance package don't pursue this.
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09-17-2010, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by quasi You can in my field, construction is a whole different animal. People are let go and hired all the time severance is pretty much none existent. I think we've fired maybe 2 people in 20 years but probably laid off 300+ in that same time period, never ever had a problem.
If I worked in a field where it was harder to lay someone off and they were fucking me around I'd make their life hell. I'd first give them notice, if it's 3 weeks or a month whatever it is so I don't have to pay them anything. I'd then make them do the shittiest of shitty work, the type they can fuck up and it won't effect me until they quit. If it was for us I'd change their job title and have them do something like guard the shitter and make sure nobody fucks with it for 8 hours a day. If they don't quit oh well, I got to fuck with them for a month and they don't get shit. That would be so much more rewarding then paying them to sit at home. | |
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09-17-2010, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by quasi You can in my field, construction is a whole different animal. People are let go and hired all the time severance is pretty much none existent. I think we've fired maybe 2 people in 20 years but probably laid off 300+ in that same time period, never ever had a problem.
If I worked in a field where it was harder to lay someone off and they were fucking me around I'd make their life hell. I'd first give them notice, if it's 3 weeks or a month whatever it is so I don't have to pay them anything. I'd then make them do the shittiest of shitty work, the type they can fuck up and it won't effect me until they quit. If it was for us I'd change their job title and have them do something like guard the shitter and make sure nobody fucks with it for 8 hours a day. If they don't quit oh well, I got to fuck with them for a month and they don't get shit. That would be so much more rewarding then paying them to sit at home. | It'd be too easy for them to sue you if you did that. Especially if you're using a demotion to embarrass them.
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09-17-2010, 10:09 AM
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#9 | I don't get it
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^you're demoting them because alcohols and drugs are making them unqualified to do their previous jobs. I don't see how that'll get you sued as long as you do it subtlely. Guarding the shitter is way too obvious haha
But honestly though cant believe we have to resort to that... Canadian court system overall is a big gong show
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09-17-2010, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Vinny G It'd be too easy for them to sue you if you did that. Especially if you're using a demotion to embarrass them. | It's a legit job, those things get lit on fire or tipped over all the time.
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09-17-2010, 11:36 AM
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Wait, let me understand. if I had a bad employee showing up late for work, harassing other people, not doing their job... I fire them for being a bad worker, not doing their job and they can turn around with discrimination because they're a druggie?
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09-17-2010, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TekDragon Wait, let me understand. if I had a bad employee showing up late for work, harassing other people, not doing their job... I fire them for being a bad worker, not doing their job and they can turn around with discrimination because they're a druggie? | Yeah, remember it's not their fault they have a problem...it's never anyones fault anymore. At the worst they will have to go to rehab, probably on the companies dime, and get their job back once they complete it. Posted via RS Mobile |
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09-17-2010, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TekDragon Wait, let me understand. if I had a bad employee showing up late for work, harassing other people, not doing their job... I fire them for being a bad worker, not doing their job and they can turn around with discrimination because they're a druggie? | Yes you could. You most likely won't. But you could.
Unless you've carefully documented all incidences and what you've done to attempt to rectify the situation, and that you've offered the employee assistance and they've refused it. All with them signing everything as you do it so they're also aware and you can prove that is the case.
As far as anything HR related Documentation, Documentation, Documentation is everything.
Documentation or it didn't happen.
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09-17-2010, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinny G It'd be too easy for them to sue you if you did that. Especially if you're using a demotion to embarrass them. | Many employers use this practice, cause people with low paying, blue collar type jobs don't sue.
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09-17-2010, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl Yes you could. You most likely won't. But you could.
Unless you've carefully documented all incidences and what you've done to attempt to rectify the situation, and that you've offered the employee assistance and they've refused it. All with them signing everything as you do it so they're also aware and you can prove that is the case.
As far as anything HR related Documentation, Documentation, Documentation is everything.
Documentation or it didn't happen. | Yep
You must offer help 3 times, over several months, and document if they took the offer of help. Lets say you offer them a course to improve, they could attend the course, learn nothing, and continue their bad ways - yet cause they took the course they at least tried and you're back at square one documenting their deficiencies and offering help.
Thus essentially a bad employee can remain a bad employee forever as long as they admit they are bad, take offers of help, and complete the required training.
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09-17-2010, 03:19 PM
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#16 | I don't get it
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Wow. Fuck this shit. I can't call out the professor for not letting me re-take a test because I had a hangover the other day. I can't tell my relatives that I missed their farewell party because I was out getting drunk.
The correct answer is to let these guys drink themselves to death and save society money and face. Survival of the fittest.
How the hell am I going to explain this to my future kids? Yeah, in the real world, you're entitled to anything if you complain enough.
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09-17-2010, 05:40 PM
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This is why Im glad I work in Man-Land where if you cant lift some shit or do what you're told, you dont get to come to work tomorrow. You dont get severance, and your position is filled 8am Monday morning.
This pussy whipped babysitting work place you all seem to work at sounds terrible. I hope you all enjoy your lunch and two 15s too. and paid overtime.
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09-18-2010, 01:33 AM
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| THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE HR. It's their job to know this shit like the back of their hand. http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/poldrgalceng.pdf
Canadian Human Rights Commission Policy on Alcohol and Drug Testing Quote:
In the limited circumstances where testing is justified, employees who test positive must be accommodated to the point of undue hardship. The Canadian Human Rights Act requires individualized or personalized accommodation measures. Policies that result in the employee’s automatic loss of employment, reassignment, or that impose inflexible reinstatement conditions without regard for personal circumstances are unlikely to meet this requirement. Accommodation should include the necessary support to permit the employee to undergo treatment or a rehabilitation program, and consideration of sanctions less severe than dismissal. The employer will be relieved of the duty to accommodate the individual needs of the alcohol- or drug-dependent employee only if the employer can show that:
1. the cost of accommodation would alter the nature or affect the viability of the enterprise, OR
2. notwithstanding the accommodation efforts, health or safety risks to workers or members of the public are so serious that they outweigh the benefits of providing individualized accommodation or consideration to a worker with an addiction or dependency problem.
The Commission supports the use of methods other than drug and alcohol testing for dealing with employee impairment. Awareness, education, rehabilitation, and effective interventions such as enhanced supervision and peer monitoring are the most effective ways of ensuring that performance issues associated with alcohol and drug use are detected and resolved.
| It costs more, but that's what you do to stay legal. Better yet, do a better job screening and you won't have this problem.
Oh and news headlines make ppl dumber. Ppl should stop reading the fuckin news.
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09-18-2010, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RRxtar This is why Im glad I work in Man-Land where if you cant lift some shit or do what you're told, you dont get to come to work tomorrow. You dont get severance, and your position is filled 8am Monday morning.
This pussy whipped babysitting work place you all seem to work at sounds terrible. I hope you all enjoy your lunch and two 15s too. and paid overtime. | I worked there once. If you do things the easy way, like picking something up with a forklift and driving it around, you get written up.
But if you do things the hardest way possible, like picking something up with a forklift then pushing the forklift around, you get promoted to a position where you get to train workers on how to do things the hard way.
Also, it doesnt matter how smart you are. Bigger, tougher guys who've been working there longer are smarter than you.
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09-19-2010, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by quasi It's a legit job, those things get lit on fire or tipped over all the time.  | Especially if I'm running an excavator within 20ft of one.  
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09-19-2010, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by quasi It's a legit job, those things get lit on fire or tipped over all the time.  | AMEN to that
I've seen them get set on fire and it almost torching the whole site. and if they are tipped over, its gonna be a shitty place to be if you have to take a piss
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Originally Posted by RRxtar This is why Im glad I work in Man-Land where if you cant lift some shit or do what you're told, you dont get to come to work tomorrow. You dont get severance, and your position is filled 8am Monday morning.
This pussy whipped babysitting work place you all seem to work at sounds terrible. I hope you all enjoy your lunch and two 15s too. and paid overtime. | I wish I worked somewhere like this sometimes.
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09-19-2010, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane I wish I worked somewhere like this sometimes. | It's called a union job,they are rare nowadays,but they can still be found.
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09-19-2010, 07:48 PM
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I don't work for a union, but we get a lunch 2 15's and paid overtime. But it's impossible to get fire.d
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