[Great68]

I've been out of the IT game for quite a while, so I have lost any relevant first hand experience based opinions on the subject.

When I used to work in IT, the company I worked for first mainly used Maxtors, out of the 30 or so I installed the majority were those 1/2 thickness (20-40gig) drives. Almost every single one of the 1/2 thickness drives we installed had a failure within a year, and I even had a few failures of the larger 60 gig drives (one of which was in my own PC).

I have a sour taste from Western Digitals too, my very first computer I ever owned had a 212mb WD, and I had to have it replaced twice...

We then started using Seagates, and out of the 500 or so I installed I honestly saw maybe only a dozen failures over the remaining few years I worked at that company. My current home desktop machine has a 500Gig PATA drive which used to be in a fileserver for a year and it's still chugging along (It's probably a good 3-4 years old)

But lately I've been hearing Seagates have been having problems?


So who's best these days?

[!MiKrofT]

For myself I'm currently using WD Black's. I have 3 of them in my desktop and not a single problem. My previous Seagates were loud and annoying.

[UnDeadMage]

i have a WD green 1tb and 1.5 tb on my comp and theres no problem with it so far. i personally think WD has the best hds these days

[Hehe]

I use Seagate Barracuda ES2 for critical personal data (all my family/friend's photo/videos) in Raid1 (used to be WD RE4 until one of them crap'd out)

Seagate 7200.12 in raid 5 for usual stuff (general data, pictures from my DSLR... etc) The newer 7200.12 is excellent IMO. I have in total 10 of them in different sizes and never have a problem.

[lilaznviper]

i have a 3 WD black drives 2 WD green and 1 seagate
and no problems with the WD drives.
i am on my 3rd seagate drive after RMA a couple of times and ever since then im never buying seagate

[Meowjin]

The ceo of our company just ordered a 2 tb WD HD for business purposes... 900 dollar pricetag too.

Must be reliable!

[TOPEC]

WD is the way to go, i have 2 blk, 1 green, and 1 seagate, the seagate is loud, and im starting to not trust it

[Great68]

I guess I'll try a couple of WD's then. Thanks guys.

[Euro7r]

I have 2 x seagates, they maybe a little noisier than some HD's, but it's been reliable for me otherwise.

[SkinnyPupp]

+1 for WD

But tbh the new Seagates are excellent too.

[Jeremy617]

The ceo of our company just ordered a 2 tb WD HD for business purposes... 900 dollar pricetag too.

Must be reliable!

$900 for a 2tb HD? Assuming you're not talking server gear sounds like someone is running a scam, lol.

[SkinnyPupp]

Maybe he means he bought three 2003FYYS server drives... Why anyone would do that, I don't know but there you go

[roastpuff]

I run all WD's in my system after having quite a few Seagates crap out on me.

WD Black as OS drive, 2 1.5tb WD Green as RAID array.

Samsung drives are also quite good.

[VK79]

All WDs

2x 2TB Green
1x 640 Blue
3x 640 Black
1x 300 Raptor
and a couple of older 7200 320s...

Very happy with all of them, the greens are slightly on the slow side but I use them for HD Vid warehousing so its no biggie. They are cheap and good. ($99 for the Green 2TBs).

Think the newer MBPs use Segates but I can't really comment as I only have it for about a month.

[gilly]

WD drives

[Meowjin]

$900 for a 2tb HD? Assuming you're not talking server gear sounds like someone is running a scam, lol.

Ingram Micro is running a scam out of their headoffice for our ceo? It's probably server gear.

[SkinnyPupp]

Unless he bought one of these (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13021_div/13021_div.HTML), he is being scammed or is pulling your leg. And even then... why?

[Psb1]

Don't buy spin drives unless you're content with old technology
Go SSD drives if you can afford them.
You will not regret it. Read & Write times are incredible.
If you want to go crazy fast then get dual SSD and install a raid 0.

[aikenluu918]

WD
1x black
2x Blue.

[FerrariEnzo]

i have 3 Seagate 1TB and 1 WD 2TB and never had any problems...

[!MiKrofT]

It's a complete waste of money if you're using it for storage.

Don't buy spin drives unless you're content with old technology
Go SSD drives if you can afford them.
You will not regret it. Read & Write times are incredible.
If you want to go crazy fast then get dual SSD and install a raid 0.
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[!Aznboi128]

I got wd blacks in my rig works well and quiet, stick with wd/seagate imo.

Sure time to time there might be a faulty one but so far I've been pretty lucky

Psb1 your right, ssd is super fast and super safe. But ssd drive as a slave for storage I just don't see the need to put that type of money into it. I got a intel ssd for my C drive works great and starts up fast but nmy nas, and other hd in the system are all wd blks. It's just more cost effective
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[woob]

It's a complete waste of money if you're using it for storage.


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+1 . >$3 grand for a 1TB drive is definitely not worth it.

[ericthehalfbee]

I've owned numerous WD and Seagate drives over the years. Never had a single failure on any of them.

I doubt it's even possible for the average user to even be able to determine the difference in reliability between any top hard drive manufacturer.

What it really comes down to is how much capacity you want, what performance you want, how much noise the drive makes and if you want one that's low power. After that, don't worry about reliability.

[ddr]

at that price, you mind as well buy twice or even three times amount of drives for backup. heck, even pay for cloud service

i'm still on a black + green on my desktop, but i'm recommending an ssd + green more now

[rk604]

I had WD in the past, switched to seagate 2 years ago and the seagate crapped out after about a year, the Rma process is ridiculous for seagate, so I switched back to WD.

My WS that's been running for about 7-8years is still going strong, so I'm definitely sticking with them from now on
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[bcrdukes]

Kind of off-topic, guys (sorry OP)

Is it true that Seagate bought Maxtor? If so, could this takeover possibly explain the poor RMA process and quality of HDDs?

Just a thought.

[!MiKrofT]

at that price, you mind as well buy twice or even three times amount of drives for backup. heck, even pay for cloud service

i'm still on a black + green on my desktop, but i'm recommending an ssd + green more now
This is similar to my setup too. I have 1 SSD OS drive and 3 WD blacks. 1 for downloads and 2 for storage in RAID.

[!MiKrofT]

Kind of off-topic, guys (sorry OP)

Is it true that Seagate bought Maxtor? If so, could this takeover possibly explain the poor RMA process and quality of HDDs?

Just a thought.
You are right:

http://www.maxtor.com/home-en-us.html

Maxtor is now Seagate.

[SkinnyPupp]

Kind of off-topic, guys (sorry OP)

Is it true that Seagate bought Maxtor? If so, could this takeover possibly explain the poor RMA process and quality of HDDs?

Just a thought.
No. For one, the quality of Seagate drives are very good. Secondly, their RMA process is very good as well.

They use the Maxtor drives for low end devices, like the cheaper external drives, etc.

[bcrdukes]

No. For one, the quality of Seagate drives are very good. Secondly, their RMA process is very good as well.

I had WD in the past, switched to seagate 2 years ago and the seagate crapped out after about a year, the Rma process is ridiculous for seagate, so I switched back to WD.

For the sake of discussion, rk604 had a different experience. Details?

[Soundy]

We install high-end surveillance DVRs, some using four- and eight-drive RAID5 arrays, all of which can REALLY put a strain on drives, with sustained 24/7 read/write access. We've seen a lot of different drives come and go (including a ton of those Maxtor thin drives blowing up). Currently we're using the 1TB and 2TB WD Blacks and been very happy with them. One site, we've had four of eight Seagate 1TB Barracudas in an array fail (all within barely two years of service, the first within a few months), and replaced them all with the Blacks.

[John]

There was a problem with the Seagate 7200.11 series a couple years ago. The problem was fixed with a firmware upgrade. This is still ingrained in lot of peoples memories. A lot of these drives are still running and failing as we speak. You can include these in your sample data or you can ignore them, depending on your viewpoint.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1050374/seagate-barracudas-7200-11-failing

The 7200.11s being sold now should all be OK.

[mb_]

1 black, 1 green on my main, 1 green on home server that's rarely used and another black on fam computer.. all reliable!

[!MiKrofT]

We install high-end surveillance DVRs, some using four- and eight-drive RAID5 arrays, all of which can REALLY put a strain on drives, with sustained 24/7 read/write access. We've seen a lot of different drives come and go (including a ton of those Maxtor thin drives blowing up). Currently we're using the 1TB and 2TB WD Blacks and been very happy with them. One site, we've had four of eight Seagate 1TB Barracudas in an array fail (all within barely two years of service, the first within a few months), and replaced them all with the Blacks.
Those maxtor thin drives were the worst lol. We had so many RMA's come back at my old place.

[Great68]

Don't buy spin drives unless you're content with old technology
Go SSD drives if you can afford them.
You will not regret it. Read & Write times are incredible.
If you want to go crazy fast then get dual SSD and install a raid 0.

I can't exactly justify spending $3000 just to get 1TB of SSD...

Spinny drives still have their purpose.

[Psb1]

I can't exactly justify spending $3000 just to get 1TB of SSD...

Spinny drives still have their purpose.

Well I couldn't justify maintaining a ford mustang but you seem to think it money worth spending
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
For the computer savvy high tech geeks the cost of SSD's is worth it for the performance gains.
I'm one of the few who has to have the latest technology.
Yes its expensive but relative to things like cars, houses, kids, college its not that much.

[!MiKrofT]

Uhh I don't know any computer tech savvy geeks that would get that large of an ssd. Tech savvy ppl use an ssd for the operating system and regular drive for storage. Why you need instant access to file storage is beyond me. Ie. Your not gonna get any benefits streaming video on ssd vs. Regular drive.
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[Cman333]

I run WD's now.

I used to run Segates, but after all the commotion about faulty drives I changed everything to WD Blacks upon most people recommendations.

I'm running a couple green for storage drives, so far no issues.

[FerrariEnzo]

It's a complete waste of money if you're using it for storage.

if your a big online storage company, or even medium to large corporations, then its worth it.. but for personal use, its not worth it... UNLESS your SUPER RICH!

[!MiKrofT]

if your a big online storage company, or even medium to large corporations, then its worth it.. but for personal use, its not worth it... UNLESS your SUPER RICH!
Uhh.. Why on earth would a big online storage company or even medium to large corp. use extremely expensive SSD's when they can buy a shitload of cheaper, larger, and inexpensively replaced spinning drives. That is defnitely not worth it and definitely not the case. As mentioned regular drives are more than adequate for data storage.

[Euro7r]

Hard drives are quite cheap nowadays. You can get a 1TB for like $50buxs at NCIX from their weekly sales. I'm planning to get some WD HD's to use as backup storage.

[Meowjin]

Skinnypupp. I checked my work email and it was a 8tb server raid something or another. Forgot the model name.

I hope that clears it up.

I misread it for a 2tb cavier green

[Soundy]

Uhh.. Why on earth would a big online storage company or even medium to large corp. use extremely expensive SSD's when they can buy a shitload of cheaper, larger, and inexpensively replaced spinning drives. That is defnitely not worth it and definitely not the case. As mentioned regular drives are more than adequate for data storage.

On top of that, spinny drives are still more reliable for long-term and sustained use. There's an extensive discussion on using them for video storage on a LinkedIn surveillance group, and the fact is, after a LOT of read/write operations and sustained access, they start to see cell failures and data corruption.

[dink]

There was a problem with the Seagate 7200.11 series a couple years ago. The problem was fixed with a firmware upgrade. This is still ingrained in lot of peoples memories. A lot of these drives are still running and failing as we speak. You can include these in your sample data or you can ignore them, depending on your viewpoint.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1050374/seagate-barracudas-7200-11-failing

The 7200.11s being sold now should all be OK.

Yes... I bought one a year ago, it failed on me 6 months later and I sent it in for warranty, there was a $20 charge for replacement... I got the same model drive back.... failed again 6 months later. I just said fuck it an bought a WD.

[Great68]

Well I couldn't justify maintaining a ford mustang but you seem to think it money worth spending



That's a terrible analogy.

The big difference is that the Mustang APPRECIATES in value as more money is put into it.

A $3000 SSD Drive in your computer will NEVER appreciate in value. In fact in a few years it will be next to worthless.

[!MiKrofT]

On top of that, spinny drives are still more reliable for long-term and sustained use. There's an extensive discussion on using them for video storage on a LinkedIn surveillance group, and the fact is, after a LOT of read/write operations and sustained access, they start to see cell failures and data corruption.
Yeah I would never use an SSD for video recording. It's a total waste of $$ for what it is as well.