[taylor192]

http://www.financialpost.com/news/best+money+manager/3722523/story.html

Mr. Campbell was first overall with a score of 89.1. Former Manitoba premier Gary Doer ranked second, 78.2, followed by Danny Williams of Newfoundland and Labrador, at 71.0. Fourth and fifth place went to Alberta’s Ed Stelmach, 66.4, and Saskatchewan’s Brad Wall, 57.9 -- and as a result western Canadian premiers clinched four of the top five spots in the overall rankings.

After that, on Jean Charest of Quebec finished with a score above 50. Last place was awarded to Mr. McGuinty, with a score of 29 -- a stinging blow given that the Ontario Premier faces re-election roughly a year from now.
Having seen how badly McGuinty has ruined Ontario, I am not surprised he finished last. I was surprised how far ahead Campbell finished, I expected Alberta to top the list.

Hate him all you want, income taxes in BC are relatively low, sales taxes about average, and the unemployment rate below average. Then look at how a tax-and-spend Ontario government (hint: BC NDP) has ruined that province - government expenditures have tripled inflation and the same year McGuinty took office I was hit with a $750 income tax increase.

[Strzelec]

I think Campbell's been doing a decent job. Hasnt done anything I've disagreed with so far

[JesseBlue]

i, for one, still hate him

[jigga250]

So just being "the best of the worst" is acceptable now?

[the shocker]

still hate him, basically for the new driving laws which i find are bullshit

[taylor192]

So just being "the best of the worst" is acceptable now?
So all 10 premiers are bad? :rolleyes:

Danny Williams has done a good job in Newfoundland and has tons of support, Saskatchewan seems to love their premier, and Manitoba loved their premier which was even weirder that they had an NDP government for long as other NDP provincial governments have fallen flat on their face.

[bloodmack]

Lately in politics its been feeling like the best of the worst. I dont hate or like campbell; BC seems to be doing fine at the moment so obviously he's doing something right..

[RRxtar]

The unfortunate thing is, really, Gordo and the Libs are doing a GOOD job running the province. And the alternative (NDP) leadership would absolutely devastate the province.

[InvisibleSoul]

So how is it that Campbell has an approval rating of less than 10% right now?

[stewie]

i hate him still, when he pushed all that privatization on hospital workers, he ended up putting my mom out of a job...wich dosnt really matter though since she has her own company as well...but still....

[rslater]

So how is it that Campbell has an approval rating of less than 10% right now?

I think the majority of individuals base their opinions on just one or two things, so the HST, or the drinking laws really stand out when deciding if you approve or dissaprove. However, if you had the time and understanding to look at the 1000's of fiscal decision that the liberal government has made you might realize that they have done a fairly good job and well above the majority of other provinces.

[taylor192]

So how is it that Campbell has an approval rating of less than 10% right now?
Politics has taken a turn for the ugly worse, it is now more a popularity contest than about actually getting shit done. If we were to judge past politicians by today's standards, many would have never been elected. JFK had several affairs, yet is remembered as a great politician - yet one BJ sunk Clinton's rep. Surprisingly a DUI did not sink Campbell's career.

[Gh0stRider]

He's a Douche Bag

[roastpuff]

He's a Douche Bag

But he's our douchebag.

I would rather have him than Carole James as Premier.

[the shocker]

Funny how he gets a D.U.I then a more strict drinking and driving law comes in

[RRxtar]

Funny how he gets a D.U.I then a more strict drinking and driving law comes in
this is seriously getting old. its like one of the only things Gordo haters are able to come up with.


how many Permiers have gotten speeding tickets before imposing stiffer speeding penalties TEN YEARS LATER?

[tool001]

i wonder , how many other permiers have mug shots???

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:E4_db5wgTAYfxM:http://boppin.com/uploaded_images/campbell_mug_shots.jpg&t=1

guess he is lesser of the other evil we have out here..

[iEatClams]

^ in a way yes. . . .

i for one do not like him. But the alternative is the NDP and carole james. and that alternative would fuck up BC bad.

[MarkyMark]

Let's face it, the guy is a lying douche, and Carole James is no prize herself so what can you do, vote for douche #1 or douche #2
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[geeknerd]

wat does soup brand have to do with premiers

[Great68]

i wonder , how many other permiers have mug shots???

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:E4_db5wgTAYfxM:http://boppin.com/uploaded_images/campbell_mug_shots.jpg&t=1

guess he is lesser of the other evil we have out here..

This whole episode was fucking retarded.

Gets caught driving THREE times over the limit.
Says some bullshit about his dad being an alcoholic and cries on TV.
People in BC forgive this asshole.

These are the same fucking people who support these new harder DUI penalties, or even think the penalties should be worse.

Hypocrites much?

[taylor192]

This whole episode was fucking retarded.

Gets caught driving THREE times over the limit.
Says some bullshit about his dad being an alcoholic and cries on TV.
People in BC forgive this asshole.

These are the same fucking people who support these new harder DUI penalties, or even think the penalties should be worse.

Hypocrites much?
How does his DUI affect his ability to be a good premier? All you can do is pick on his personal life rather than his professional performance. You represent everything that is wrong with politics being a popularity contest.

[taylor192]

He's a Douche Bag
I thought SkippyPupp was the only moderator we couldn't fail :p :D

[Ludepower]

Yo taylor, we get it...you love tasting Campells ball sweat.

[Tapioca]

How does his DUI affect his ability to be a good premier? All you can do is pick on his personal life rather than his professional performance. You represent everything that is wrong with politics being a popularity contest.

Because, people somehow believe that our politicians should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us peons. I'm not sure if I subscribe to that, but I think that these days, politicians (at the very least) should clean out their closets before they run.

The article was based on a Fraser Institute report, so I take it with a grain of salt as they've got their own agenda to promote. But, aside from the HST and the DUI/speeding laws, what else has the government done to "screw the province?" Sure, I feel sorry that Stewie's mother lost her job, but tough choices have to be made sometimes. I suppose that we could have done without the Olympics, but on the other hand, a lot of people were employed during the lead-up (not too mention the real estate boom that some people, rightly or wrongly, took advantage of.) The people who tend to be "losers" (economically speaking) are usually the ones speaking the most loudly even if they are just a minority.

I'm no Campbell fan, but the alternative isn't much better. The NDP would be more electable if they got rid of that school teacher they have as a leader (and no offense to school teachers.) And don't get me started on The Zalm and his band of right-wing crazies that are trying to be a 3rd party.

[Gt-R R34]

It's more as what Campbell hasn't done that has helped the province and what mcguinty tried to do that has screwed the province.

HST is going to kill Gordo, no doubt about it. But the next premier is about picking the best piece of shit from a pile of shit.

[StylinRed]

you also have to realize we were better off than the other provinces and we have more money from the outside being pumped into the west coast be it federal money or foreign investment (china)

so Campbell even with his fuck ups was able to hide behind all the money we've been getting but to play it off as something he's done? no, sorry.

Blatantly lying in the face of voters and giving us the finger when we've found out is a little too much for me (after looking at the HST closely im actually not against it but its implementation is enough for me to say fuck him)

[CP.AR]

he's not bad
he's not good either...
mediocre at best - does random shit that I don't agree with. but also does plenty of crap I agree with

PLEASE NO NDP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
we need an RS party

[Graeme S]

I'm curious what metric the Fraser Institute is using. Planned defecit reduction? Increase of GDP? Graduation rates from highschools?

The metric is much more important than the results, mostly because it's hidden.

[twitchyzero]

How does his DUI affect his ability to be a good premier? All you can do is pick on his personal life rather than his professional performance. You represent everything that is wrong with politics being a popularity contest.

i can care less if he had affairs, shoplifts, scam people on the side but DUI kills innocent lives. He represents the typical bad politician: liars and hypocrites.

[gars]

I, for one, support Gordo. I can't say that he's perfect in any way, but he's one of the best Premier's in a while. How many of the members here actually remember the NDP fiasco that preceded the Liberals. It's unfortunate that HST has such a bad image in the eye of the public, I think it works well in the long run.

While Sarah Palin scares me more than Carole James does, I'm still scared to think that James might be in office next election. We'll be back to square 1 - that said, maybe we'll have a new set of fast ferries!

[stolengoods]

Why is Carole James bad? I don't really follow it all, ashamed to say.

[Tapioca]

Blatantly lying in the face of voters and giving us the finger when we've found out is a little too much for me (after looking at the HST closely im actually not against it but its implementation is enough for me to say fuck him)

How would you have implemented the HST?

Raising taxes is politically difficult, particularly during an election campaign which you seem to imply the Liberals should have campaigned on. No one likes taxes because they translate to an immediate dent on one's pocketbook despite the long-term impacts (positive or negative) they may have.

In fact, you could argue that the lowering of the GST by the federal government indirectly resulted in the HST in our province. The feds are short of revenue, so they bribed Campbell with a $1.5+ billion sweetener to implement a tax that would help with the shortfall in revenues from the lowering of the GST.

[StylinRed]

yes lying about the existence of an impending tax and passing it under the table and then telling your constituents to go fuck themselves when they show you they don't want it is the perfect way to go about implementing harmonized tax (with only minor taxable services/goods included)...




But i just realized this article stems from the Fraser Institute and that biased think tank has already proven on numerous occasions in the past that they're untrustworthy

[Anjew]

if the alternative to shit is even deeper shit then maybe just being plain shitty isnt so shitty anymore?

[RRxtar]

I, for one, support Gordo. I can't say that he's perfect in any way, but he's one of the best Premier's in a while. How many of the members here actually remember the NDP fiasco that preceded the Liberals. It's unfortunate that HST has such a bad image in the eye of the public, I think it works well in the long run.

While Sarah Palin scares me more than Carole James does, I'm still scared to think that James might be in office next election. We'll be back to square 1 - that said, maybe we'll have a new set of fast ferries!
We wont get fast ferries next time. There wont be any money left after every union gets a 200% raise at their next contract talks, min wage jumps to $15/hour, and all other social services get triple funding. The best part is, they will do all this, AND somehow lower taxes.

No highway will be built, no cancer ward will be built, no forward thinking infrastructure will be considered.

[Great68]

How does his DUI affect his ability to be a good premier? All you can do is pick on his personal life rather than his professional performance. You represent everything that is wrong with politics being a popularity contest.

If I can't trust him to make the right decisions behind the wheel of a car, how can I trust him to make the right decisions behind the wheel of the province?

[taylor192]

Because, people somehow believe that our politicians should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us peons. I'm not sure if I subscribe to that, but I think that these days, politicians (at the very least) should clean out their closets before they run.
I don't subscribe to this - I pointed out, if previous politicians were held to this standard we would've missed out on some of the most memorable politicians in history.

Politicians represent us, and should reflect us. If we elect elitist politicians, we get elitist values and misdirected spending.

[1BADMR2]

I have to asked what happens to the revenue the HST will accumulate over the year? Will be return to us if the HST gets vote out or what exactly happens to that money?

We need some one completely new to run this province because choice 1 and 2 both suck ass. We need change and a new direction than just lying to the people (libs) and ruining/controlling/monolopy (ndp) certain important infrastructures (mining, health care, carbon tax, HST, ICBC, Translink, etc.)
Will it ever happen, probably not, we need an RS party.

[quasi]

I have to asked what happens to the revenue the HST will accumulate over the year? Will be return to us if the HST gets vote out or what exactly happens to that money?


No need to worry it will never get the votes necessary. People will be content with it in another a year, even now it doesn't have enough steam. For the record no it won't be returned, they've already said it would cost to much money and time to go through every transaction.

[taylor192]

you also have to realize we were better off than the other provinces and we have more money from the outside being pumped into the west coast be it federal money or foreign investment (china)

so Campbell even with his fuck ups was able to hide behind all the money we've been getting but to play it off as something he's done? no, sorry.

Blatantly lying in the face of voters and giving us the finger when we've found out is a little too much for me (after looking at the HST closely im actually not against it but its implementation is enough for me to say fuck him)
Defend that with real numbers. How much federal money has BC received? How much money does China pump into BC? Is it more than the US pumps into Ontario?

Ontario taxed the hell out of business and it left for other provinces and countries. BC has thankfully not done the same.

[taylor192]

I have to asked what happens to the revenue the HST will accumulate over the year? Will be return to us if the HST gets vote out or what exactly happens to that money?
Will you return the HST cheque you received?
Will you request low income BCers return their HST cheques?
Will you pay a one-time income tax charge to make up for the $1.6B federal money that has to be returned?

Answer to all your questions, and mine is: no - except the last question. If the HST is repealed the change will be going forward - plus we'll owe the feds $1.6B.

[taylor192]

i can care less if he had affairs, shoplifts, scam people on the side but DUI kills innocent lives. He represents the typical bad politician: liars and hypocrites.
Did he lie about his DUI? Did he apologize for it? Has he gotten one since? Has he increased awareness of DUI and laws accordingly?

Seems to me you're just whining, cause you'll never accept that a man can atone for his mistakes.

[taylor192]

yes lying about the existence of an impending tax and passing it under the table and then telling your constituents to go fuck themselves when they show you they don't want it is the perfect way to go about implementing harmonized tax (with only minor taxable services/goods included)...
We elect politicians to make choices for us, we don't expect them to consult with us on every decision. BC was offered a great deal by the feds, $1.6B and reduced tax processing overhead while supporting local business. Few people are upset about the actual HST, they are upset they didn't get to have their voice heard - which is not the way it works.

But i just realized this article stems from the Fraser Institute and that biased think tank has already proven on numerous occasions in the past that they're untrustworthy
So if you've ever been wrong once, you're always wrong from now on. I guess you're wrong now too :p

[taylor192]

Why is Carole James bad? I don't really follow it all, ashamed to say.
The NDP is bad, not Carole James. I think she's a decent politician, just for a party I'd never vote for.

The NDP are a tax and spend party, and a socialist party that believes in more government.

[CP.AR]

NDP are trolls

when Carole James smiles she looks like this :troll:

no joke

[roastpuff]

NDP are trolls

when Carole James smiles she looks like this :troll:

no joke

I actually had the woman come by my Canadian politics class... and she just seemed so insincere and slimy.

I like my politicians to at least be faux-sincere and non-slimy.

[StylinRed]

Defend that with real numbers. How much federal money has BC received? How much money does China pump into BC? Is it more than the US pumps into Ontario?

Ontario taxed the hell out of business and it left for other provinces and countries. BC has thankfully not done the same.

way too much work to show numbers -_-

china isnt our only foreign investor though the usa does too etc

Ontarios Manufacturing industry has been dead and declining for ages it doesn't have that much to do with taxing businesses... its a fact that's prevalent in all manufacturing industries in North America everyone's been moving abroad and the Automotive industry... jesus that's Ontarios bread & butter and we all know what happened there and its not because of Ontarios taxes.

here's some numbers it doesn't cover it all nor in detail nor does it pinpoint the sources of cash but whatever :P http://www.bcbudget.gov.bc.ca/2008/sp/ed/default.aspx?hash=4
http://www.bcbc.com/Documents/2020_200906_GlobalLinkages.pdf


and the Fraser Institute didn't just get some things wrong they mislead

and you may elect your leaders to go off and make all decisions on their own behind closed doors but Canadians don't agree with that bs

[the shocker]

this is seriously getting old. its like one of the only things Gordo haters are able to come up with.


how many Permiers have gotten speeding tickets before imposing stiffer speeding penalties TEN YEARS LATER?


Yes i know this is way old, but it is still something that he did. Im not saying he is the worst but he still isn't the best. And I do hate to say it but he is the best right now to be running our province. Just hating on him still over the new laws that have come into effect

[Phat_R]

he's done a good job but needs to step down now

[StylinRed]

this is seriously getting old. its like one of the only things Gordo haters are able to come up with.


that's like saying people should forgive Bush for his fuckups since time has passed..

didn't Gordo force someone to resign because of a DUI before his DUI case?

[quasi]

that's like saying people should forgive Bush for his fuckups since time has passed..

didn't Gordo force someone to resign because of a DUI before his DUI case?

Does the same apply for the NDP and all the damage they did to our economy? Gordo is not the best premier or person but he and his party are better then the alternatives at the moment. I'd love to have another viable choice but it doesn't exist. For my family and myself it doesn't really matter I'm probably leaving this Province next year for greener pastures.

[Jsunu]

I rather look at a person's body of work rather than focus on the one or two glaring (although retarded) mistakes an individual has made. Yet, I still don't see campbell as a very inspiring Premier to say the least. But what alternatives do we have? NDP? So its the top shit of the shit pile which is often the case in politics.

[MG1]

We are blessed ot be living in a province with lots of resources and great geographical location. Not many leaders can screw things up here. NDP, for sure, but Gordo has not done anything great. Put Gordo in a province that is struggling and it'll be a different story.

I don't know what it is about the bastard. I just dislike him. He's like one of those kids that get beat up at school because they look so retarded.

[taylor192]

that's like saying people should forgive Bush for his fuckups since time has passed.
Bush had a terrible professional track record - I cannot seem to recall many of his personal blunders. Thus the comparison is apples and oranges.

[the shocker]

Bush had a terrible professional track record - I cannot seem to recall many of his personal blunders. Thus the comparison is apples and oranges.

This you can't compare him to gordo especially since bush is a complete fuck up

[gars]

We are blessed ot be living in a province with lots of resources and great geographical location. Not many leaders can screw things up here. NDP, for sure, but Gordo has not done anything great. Put Gordo in a province that is struggling and it'll be a different story.

I don't know what it is about the bastard. I just dislike him. He's like one of those kids that get beat up at school because they look so retarded.

We have resources, but that's not to say that Alberta doesn't. As well, our forestry has been devastated due to the pine beetles, fishing has been up and down. One thing for sure, the film industry has been booming in Vancouver/BC, and the HST is just going to be helping industries like that.

[CRS]

We are blessed ot be living in a province with lots of resources and great geographical location. Not many leaders can screw things up here. NDP, for sure, but Gordo has not done anything great. Put Gordo in a province that is struggling and it'll be a different story.

I don't know what it is about the bastard. I just dislike him. He's like one of those kids that get beat up at school because they look so retarded.

Beat up our fair share of school kids in our day, have we?

:lol

[gars]

funny, I actually went to school with one of Gordo's kid's. Mind you, he was in Gr 12, when I was in Gr 8.

[StylinRed]

Does the same apply for the NDP and all the damage they did to our economy? Gordo is not the best premier or person but he and his party are better then the alternatives at the moment. I'd love to have another viable choice but it doesn't exist. For my family and myself it doesn't really matter I'm probably leaving this Province next year for greener pastures.

i believe party dynamics can easily change as there are so many involved; an aged individual on the other hand requires a lot more

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6iXABGkXjxs/S4p8Q4WInJI/AAAAAAAAAOE/oRo-T5uYy3Q/s320/1951-xmas-humbug-scrooge.jpg

Bush had a terrible professional track record - I cannot seem to recall many of his personal blunders. Thus the comparison is apples and oranges.

not really but kind of, sure. however not being able to recall "many" when comparing with one incident isn't fair either

[MG1]

Beat up our fair share of school kids in our day, have we?

:lol

A little.......... until I found god........... LOL.

[CRS]

A little.......... until I found god........... LOL.

Weren't you guys in grade school together?

I thought you were the one who lit God's fart to make the universe.

[MG1]

Weren't you guys in grade school together?

I thought you were the one who lit God's fart to make the universe.

Actually, I'm not that old. I went to school with one of his sons, though. No, not that jesus guy. He was like the immaculate one. No, the one I hung out with was one of god's little bastards.

I tell ya, god is one horny dude. He created women, and let me tells ya, he has great taste in women. I asked him once, "Why don't you make all women yummy like the ones you hang out with?" He told me the ugly ones make his hot ones look that much better. Men appreciate his work better if he had some flawed ones. Plus, some men like bigger women with meat on 'em. Amen to that. LOL.

[Vulcan300]

And now he announces a 15% income tax cut.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101027/bc_campbell_television_101027/20101027?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

[StylinRed]

yeah surprised they can make that large a cut to obviously what's going to be a good sized portion of bc residents

[LiquidTurbo]

Wow 15% less taxes!

[StylinRed]

silly me...

he must mean 15% less than what they already take for provincial taxes

so 15% cut from the 7.7% so 6.545%


i musta had a lil too much kool-aid when i first read it ;)

[Tapioca]

This is going to do nothing for Campbell in the polls. Just check out the comment boards - if you hated Campbell before, you still hate him now.

[cow20xx]

So how is it that Campbell has an approval rating of less than 10% right now?

just because his approval rating is low doesnt mean he is doing a bad job, and just because someone's approval rating is right doesnt mean he is doing a good job.


Every political moves and decisions made will have winners and losers, as well as economic policies and such.
ex: People complains about taxes, so when government cut expenditures people will bitch about public services being cut etc.

To be honest, as much as i don't like campbell personally, but i would rather the liberal to continue to run the province. NDP fucked up big time in the past, and if they follow the same style and mindset on running this province (lower taxes, but increase expenditures is one example) we will be in the same debt holes we were in before. Plus what happened to china town area because of NDP's party policies still have me in doubt on their leadership abilities.

[goo3]

Campbell is a lying scumbag who hurts your feelings.

NDP hurts your pocketbook.

Given the choice, I choose hurt feelings!

[johny]

silly me...

he must mean 15% less than what they already take for provincial taxes

so 15% cut from the 7.7% so 6.545%


i musta had a lil too much kool-aid when i first read it ;)

yah it says $350 savings if making 50k LOL... HST is probably alot more per year.

[illicitstylz]

If I can't trust him to make the right decisions behind the wheel of a car, how can I trust him to make the right decisions behind the wheel of the province?

Because he may not be necessarily thinking straight in regards to DUI but he sure makes damn good choices for our province and its citizens.

Another article plus a video explaining HST as well as the 15% income tax cut from CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/27/bc-campbell-tv-address.html

[Gt-R R34]

It's basically to late for Gordo to come back as premier anyways.
You MIGHT vote for Liberals in 2013. But no one will vote for Gordo.

Sometimes, it's not what you did was right, it's HOW you did it. HST isn't a bad concept, the way they they did it, was so mired in mistakes and bad posturing that it WILL defeat Liberals.

I'm coming back to this in 2013 and quote this when some other party wins.

[taylor192]

yah it says $350 savings if making 50k LOL... HST is probably alot more per year.
I'll assume you're a single 20yo. The only impact HST has on you is some groceries and eating at restaurants, almost everything else was already taxed.

Thus this savings is a big win for many young people, it is too bad they do not understand that.

[taylor192]

This is going to do nothing for Campbell in the polls. Just check out the comment boards - if you hated Campbell before, you still hate him now.
If it does not, then the approval rating is equal to the IQ of those polled.

Lowest income taxes and amoungst the lowest sales taxes - that's awesome if you understand it. :thumbsup:

[Mr.C]

Coming from one of the most corrupt countries in the world, I think Campbell is pretty decent. His only fuckup was the HST debacle. He should have taken a little bit more time to implement it, just so it didn't seem he was considering it during the election. Face it, the NDP would have done it too. Or worse.

He's doing a fine job.

[Tapioca]

I'll assume you're a single 20yo. The only impact HST has on you is some groceries and eating at restaurants, almost everything else was already taxed.

Thus this savings is a big win for many young people, it is too bad they do not understand that.

We're on a car/lifestyle forum so the HST in fact affects the pocketbooks of young people quite drastically:

- Buying used cars (which some seem to do several times a year)
- Eating out at expensive restaurants (evidence: the fetishization of food, the rise of foodie culture, etc.)
- Salons (tanning, beauty, etc.)
- Exercise studios

It's hard to find frugal young people these days.


If it does not, then the approval rating is equal to the IQ of those polled.

Lowest income taxes and amoungst the lowest sales taxes - that's awesome if you understand it.

Taxes are always an emotional issue. The first lesson they teach you in Econ 101 is there is no such thing as a free lunch; sadly, most people do not take basic economics in school.

[taylor192]

It's hard to find frugal young people these days.

Taxes are always an emotional issue. The first lesson they teach you in Econ 101 is there is no such thing as a free lunch; sadly, most people do not take basic economics in school.
If people choose to consume they should pay the price for it, especially those buying several cars a year or eating out at expensive restaurants - which represent few members here, far from the majority that will benefit. I refuse to use exceptions to define the rule, yet many people obviously do without knowing they are not one of the exceptions.

Do a poll and find out how many buy multiple vehicles in a year, or even in a couple years. The results will be low.

[Gt-R R34]

Stop arguing about the HST.

HST for all the economic theory is a good tool. The way they put it into use was horrible, thus it will never ever be accepted.

It's like any business, you can have the greatest earth shattering idea but if you didn't market or notify the public in this case and then shove it down peoples throats. It won't work.

Especially as a government.

He will be done.

[bengy]

The thing with the HST is they said they wouldn't and then they go ahead and implement it anyway. When you lie to the public, your approval ratings won't be very good.

[cressydrift]

What was the last voting turnout... 50%?

[Graeme S]

46%.

Three cheers for voter apathy.

[twitchyzero]

46%.

Three cheers for voter apathy.

~50% is pretty normal for north american politics, is it not?

[cressydrift]

Low for Canada, and low compared to history, but it looks like it could be the "Norm" moving forward. I was just reading that the longer a party is in power, historically, the lower voter turnouts.

In my eyes, Campbell has not been that bad. Everyone is human, and everyone makes mistakes. The one thing that I like and I know NDP (Carole James) would not do is establish relations with China. He is trying to trade with China, which would boost our economy in the best way. Carole James or what ever NDP leader who is in power would just give all our tax money to social programs.

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