[SkinnyPupp]

Here's a recent presentation by Tom Naughton (the maker of the Fat Head documentary I posted a while back). In it, he discusses how our dietary guidelines are fundamentally flawed, being based on horrible science.

Agree or not, I urge you to at least watch all 5 parts. You will learn something, I guarantee :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exi7O1li_wA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmwNpUJUjPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuxDuLKz39c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mQ-QZkZpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEayi6IBjZw

And here's an idea: Let's keep this thread flame-free if possible :)

And don't start pointless arguments by citing the AHA and organizations like that (you'll see why in the video).

[geeknerd]

So in conclusion, science is bad and religion is good.
Its Sunday, gotta go to church now, cya.

[Presto]

great movie. Watch, and be educated. Yum yum!
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[dark0821]

good watch...

[rsx]

very informative

[Razor Ramon HG]

Thank you for this

[Leopold Stotch]

this is a lot to watch, you better not disappoint.

[MG1]

So in conclusion, science is bad and religion is good.
Its Sunday, gotta go to church now, cya.

I think bad science in this sense is science that is bad, not how science is bad and religion is better.


Bad girl = a girl that is bad

Bad science = science that is bad

Good science - science that is done correctly......... nevermind. I just confused myself, LOLOLOLOL..........

[Soundy]

And good girl = girl that is done correctly?? ;)

[DragonChi]

bad science?

Not that I've seen the videos yet, I'll get around to that.

But I know in the states, the food industry pretty much manages themselves and lobbyists fight to provide food as cheap as possible with being as least transparent as possible. I would wager like the tobacco lobbyists used to.

So I'd rather say, it's science motivated with the wrong intentions.

I'd like to add that corn is heavy subsidized in the states too, so farmers are forced to grow only that crop.

What happens then? When a lot of our food comes from corn or corn derivatives? Foods very low in nutrition and high in calories. There's epicdemic going on theses days where people are getting under nurished but over fed/obese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwrV5e6fMY

[SkinnyPupp]

bad science?

Not that I've seen the videos yet, I'll get around to that.

But I know in the states, the food industry pretty much manages themselves and lobbyists fight to provide food as cheap as possible with being as least transparent as possible. I would wager like the tobacco lobbyists used to.

So I'd rather say, it's science motivated with the wrong intentions.

I'd like to add that corn is heavy subsidized in the states too, so farmers are forced to grow only that crop.

What happens then? When a lot of our food comes from corn or corn derivatives? Foods very low in nutrition and high in calories. There's epicdemic going on theses days where people are getting under nurished but over fed/obese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwrV5e6fMY
You/Jamie Oliver are on the right track with the corn thing, but unfortunately he doesn't really know anything about nutrition. You and he should both watch the presentation I posted :D

[RRxtar]

very good watch

[liu13]

someone cliffnote the bitch

[belka]

someone cliffnote the bitch

Just watch the fucking thing.

[cunninglinguist]

someone cliffnote the bitch

FDA scientists = morons
high fat diet doesn't cause heart disease
refined carbs and sugar = bad
insulin controls weight more than calories in/out

[jasonturbo]

I think there is an obvious difference between science, and the application of information learned form science.

As much as "science" has harmed the quality of the food we eat, that same "science" has basically doubled our life expectancy over the course of less than 300 years...

It's a matter of application being faulty, not fundementals.

EDIT* Also on the subject of science having a harmful effect on the food we eat, it has also protected us from poor or diseased crops/livestock/etc (Diseases and weather treans which would occur naturally)... which could kill you long before your teeth fall apart and you end up diabetic. I would prefer food high in refined carbs over no food at all.

EDIT #2* I'm sorry, but I think this must be a joke, yes some of what he says is indeed fact (as proven by science...), but some of it is... well... you cant bash science, and then say that science sucks because people arent adhering to the basics of scientific method... based on your opinions. Science is of course, at times applied in way that may not be for the greater good, but in the interest of financial gain... doesnt make science bad... makes big business bad. Grrrr....

[trancehead]

hahha love how the title of this thread can be read in different ways

HOW BAD science fucked us

How BAD SCIENCE fucked us

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah I think that the title has confused jason turbo. It has nothing against science, but everything about BAD science. Of course had he watched it, and (more importantly) comprehended it, he wouldn't have said any of that ;)

You can really tell the difference between people arguing for the sake of arguing, and those who actually disagree with what is being said. ;)

I have edited the title, in order to further weed out the ignorant folks and their preconceived notions, and blind useless arguments

I'll also add a couple "coles" notes:

-The very idea that saturated fat/high cholesterol causing heart disease is based on observational studies, which are just that - observations that have yet to be proven. And BAD observations at that, since key results are purposefully left out

-The nutritional guidelines that have been in place since the 70's is based on BAD SCIENCE, and they are essentially performing a clinical trial on the entire nation (and everyone else who follows them, like Canada, UK, and even Hong Kong)

-Apparently the trial is failing, as people are getting fatter and sicker than ever before, despite the improvement of medical technology.

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[PiuYi]

havn't had time to watch so will reserve comment, but anyone here watched King Corn? its worth watching to better understand what we are eating and why

[Oleophobic]

ok wtf I was literally reading the fat head thread again in the health/wellness forum (just felt like it) and then someone today bumps up this thread in VOT

edit: lol i guess skinnypup deleted the post just before mine

[SkinnyPupp]

Fathead is on netflix now btw

[hal0g0dv2]

sick watch

[taylor192]

You can really tell the difference between people arguing for the sake of arguing, and those who actually disagree with what is being said. ;)
You can really tell the difference between those who have a point, and those who can get it across. ;)

You may be correct, yet if you phrase it improperly so it confuses people, or insult them so they don't respect your view, then what have you accomplished? Nothing, cause you haven't taught anyone anything. Luckily Tom has figured out how to get his point across without alienating his audience. :p

I'll go one further than jasonturbo, it is not bad science, it is not bad business, it is stupid people. People latch onto ideas and run with them. Remember the Atken's craze? everyone avoiding carbs cause they foolishly thought the first stage of Atkens (aka the only part of it they read) was all its about - when Atkens is a program with stages that eventually lead to a balanced diet including carbs by reintroducing good carbs after eliminating the bad.

Even Tom Naughton agrees that carbs are fine as long as they remain a certain percentage of your diet - ie a balanced diet. Not rocket science, yet not trendy, so stupid people will never buy in. :D

[StaxBundlez]

science sucks..

wtf believes that shit?

god has been there since the beginning!!! SO WORSHIP HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9ImScQGAo

[jasonturbo]

Yeah I think that the title has confused jason turbo. It has nothing against science, but everything about BAD science. Of course had he watched it, and (more importantly) comprehended it, he wouldn't have said any of that ;)




Whoa back from the dead lol I never checked back on this thread...

I didn't actually watch the video, just the first few minutes and couldn't be bothered to watch the rest. More than anything, I jumped to a conclusion based on my interpretation of your thread title.

As an active anti-theist, there is always a portion of my day spent reading about some kind of attack on science in the name of one god or another. (Typically at the hands of creationists or the tea party movement... aka Fox News) So after a while you just lose your mind whenever you read anything about science in a negative context... even if the way it is written, isn't necessarily how it is meant to be read. ;)

[TheNewGirl]

Fat is not bad.
Fat is not bad.
Fat is not bad.

Also, as any diabetic will tell you, carbs are not as bad when they're accompanied by 1. Fiber (which triggers insulin production to manage them) and 2. Fat (which slows their release).

The problem is all our highly refined foods is the fiber is removed from them so there's nothing to tell your body 'hey we just had wack loads of sugar' and corn based sugars have the wrong ratios of fructose to sucrose so your body doesn't recognise them and feel sated after consuming them... meaning you can have 2000 calories and still feel hungry.

There's a fantastic, though science heavy documentry on YouTube called "Sugar the Bitter Truth" which is required viewing IMO and talks about the fructose heavy sugars extensively.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

[Durrann]

cool ill watch that when i get home

[Tegra_Devil]

coool, video


now my questions........

-is there a certain BF% that indicates when a persons insulin levels are too high and storing to much fat?

-i cant remember if he said it in the videos, but IF your insulin levels are too high, what are the best ways to lower said levels as to when you were younger and your metabolism was working most efficiently. (i believe he said exercise will reduce it, but if you dont keep the regime going you will gain the weight back)

with that being said....are fat people fucked for life and have to maintain extremely high fitness levels for the rest of their lives....and lower BF% people can simply maintain low-moderate fitness levels for the rest of their lives(or just stay away from foods that would cause increase in insulin)

-is there any true way to permanently reduce your insulin levels so that they are working at a normal level, where you can just maintain a proper normal human diet(which is dictated by this video)

-finally......is this presentation exactly what i will see in the movie FATHEAD?....

[Death2Theft]

Who wants to do some ayc bacon and lard?

[Spidey]

its refined carbs and trans fat etc that leads to huge health problems.. modern science and assumptions has made saturated fat worse than it really is. It is indeed natural and what humans have been eating for centuries. the food industry has fucked people up with cheap refined foods that are mass produced and are cheap.

[gdoh]

awesome videos

more people should be educated to this

[The_AK]

good video,
wanted to watch this earlier but didn't have time and forgot about it, thanks for bump

[jack3d]

didnt watch it yet but judging by what people are saying.. im sure anyone who works out already knows this

[Spidey]

didnt watch it yet but judging by what people are saying.. im sure anyone who works out already knows this

not so sure about that... the big thing isnt just about refined being bad for you, it is that saturated fats aren't as bad for you as they are made out to be. the biggest culprit among all bad foods is sugar, whether you eat it in the form of carbs or corn syrup etc. the rule of thumb for me is "if you see commercials about it, you have to be skeptical about how good it really is for you". we live in a world of marketing and money. case in point, corn. it is in fucking everything, yet the human body isn't meant to eat so much of it, if at all any of it. it is cheap and mass produced and a huge money maker for the states..

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's his latest speech. I haven't watched it yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1RXvBveht0