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guess they will get thr $ one way or another, seems like we r going to polls next sept for hst? Quote:
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VICTORIA—Internal government documents say repealing the harmonized sales tax in B.C. would cut $5 billion in provincial revenues that would have to be replaced by reintroducing the antiquated provincial sales tax and likely hiking everything else from medical plan premiums to income taxes.
The documents prepared for the Treasury Board say without those tax hikes there would need to be “dramatic” cuts to provincial programs.
The documents, released after a freedom of information request, say the province would have to repay $1 billion in transitional funding from the federal government and would forego another $600,000 promised for next year.
The scenario laid out by the tax policy branch also says the province would lose $30 million in administrative cost savings and could have to refund the HST that has already been paid.
B.C. residents will vote in a referendum on the HST next September, after more than 500,000 British Columbians signed an anti-HST petition earlier this year.
The public backlash over the tax led Premier Gordon Campbell to announce last week that he will step down as soon as the B.C. Liberals can choose a new leader.
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11-12-2010, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tool001  guess they will get thr $ one way or another | exactly.
That's what people fail to understand. There are costs that need to be paid, and the only way the gov't can do it is with some major form of consumption tax. These referendums are a complete waste of time and money. Of course people are going to vote down any tax.
Then what?
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11-12-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by originalhypa exactly.
That's what people fail to understand. There are costs that need to be paid, and the only way the gov't can do it is with some major form of consumption tax. These referendums are a complete waste of time and money. Of course people are going to vote down any tax.
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And yet the Liberal party is bribing us with tax breaks and then complaining about not having enough money.
I really really wish the politicians would just be clear and transparent about shit.
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11-12-2010, 09:12 AM
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#5 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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Originally Posted by originalhypa exactly.
That's what people fail to understand. There are costs that need to be paid, and the only way the gov't can do it is with some major form of consumption tax. These referendums are a complete waste of time and money. Of course people are going to vote down any tax.
Then what? | At least the people of B.C now have a choice(something we very rarely get nowadays)on this tax,if we want it or not....something we did not get in the beginning when the HST was implemented.
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11-12-2010, 09:15 AM
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#6 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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Originally Posted by originalhypa exactly.
That's what people fail to understand. There are costs that need to be paid, and the only way the gov't can do it is with some major form of consumption tax. These referendums are a complete waste of time and money. Of course people are going to vote down any tax.
Then what? | If Gordo only introduced HST properly.
I cant believe 700,000 voters listened to Vander Zalm.
HST for BC would have worked.
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11-12-2010, 09:15 AM
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#7 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl
I really really wish the politicians would just be clear and transparent about shit.
| Good luck with that.
Why not just ask them to shoot themselves in the head or jump off a bridge,it would be easier.
They would rather step down than be honest with people.
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11-12-2010, 09:20 AM
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Tax the fatties! If you can afford to be fat, you can afford to be taxed. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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11-12-2010, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN | This is a classic example of why you can't have a discussion about taxes (or most other public initiatives for that matter) because most people can't even get the facts straight before they voice an opinion.
The HST has nothing to do with bike lanes in Vancouver. If you want to talk bike lanes, maybe you should vote someone else other than Vision Vancouver in the next civic election? Oh wait, you don't even live in the City of Vancouver...
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meh , just deal with it, HST or other tax ... wish people complain about other things ie. police brutality. homelessness, conditon of vancouver roads. etc etc.
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11-12-2010, 09:46 AM
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I have no problem with HST to be honest. I just spend less that's all. It's not like anyone who's financially savvy would be hit hard by the tax anyways. The income tax breaks more than make up for the additional taxes that I need to pay. If u eat out everyday and have $200 haircuts, then u deserved to be taxed. But if u'r frugal and make ur own food and stuff the change is hardly noticeable. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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Originally Posted by tool001 meh , just deal with it, HST or other tax ... wish people complain about other things ie. police brutality. homelessness, conditon of vancouver roads. etc etc. | How about the pay per use fees we're starting to see in hospitals in the Vancouver Coastal Health region?
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11-12-2010, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by spyker At least the people of B.C now have a choice(something we very rarely get nowadays)on this tax,if we want it or not....something we did not get in the beginning when the HST was implemented. | The issue is that IF it was decided in a vote - it will never be passed. Given the choice, "do you want to pay more tax or less tax", people will always choose less tax. Economists have already said, that HST is a tax which won't show it's benefit to consumers till 5 years later. It is something good in the long run, but not a good tax for politicians, because they might be voted out of office before the the benefits show up.
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11-12-2010, 09:58 AM
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Wasnt HST brought into BC to help business with there costs ect. And then in the end run help the consumer pay less with the savings they make. I didnt know HST's real intention was to pay back debt that we had and to help out in provincial programs.
So whats the story here? MAybe if they told truth in the first place, HST would be welcomed with open arms than every1 being against it from the start
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11-12-2010, 10:10 AM
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#15 | | YOU CANT CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS
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Vander zalm did his entire stunt to protect his precious land development at fantasy garden..... Posted via RS Mobile | |
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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS Wasnt HST brought into BC to help business with there costs ect. And then in the end run help the consumer pay less with the savings they make. I didnt know HST's real intention was to pay back debt that we had and to help out in provincial programs.
So whats the story here? MAybe if they told truth in the first place, HST would be welcomed with open arms than every1 being against it from the start | HST serves/served to reduce the amount of costs incurred for BC business owners, saves money for the provincial government since it costs $50 million a year to administer the old PST and to fund social services.
I welcome consumption taxes over the implementation of income taxes, especially in our overly-materialistic society.
HST would probably never have been welcomed by the general public...this is a long term solution but with short term damages to the political party who puts it in place. Of course, now with a funding shortfall, services will be cut, people will cry out...again.
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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl And yet the Liberal party is bribing us with tax breaks and then complaining about not having enough money.
I really really wish the politicians would just be clear and transparent about shit. | Big difference between armchair politics and the real thing.
You think Libs are going to get elected if they promise they're going to raise taxes?
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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS Wasnt HST brought into BC to help business with there costs ect. And then in the end run help the consumer pay less with the savings they make. I didnt know HST's real intention was to pay back debt that we had and to help out in provincial programs.
So whats the story here? MAybe if they told truth in the first place, HST would be welcomed with open arms than every1 being against it from the start | The service industry does represent a healthy share of the economy here, so since the HST, revenue at places like bars, restaurants, fitness clubs, and hair salons has gone down. Many of these businesses have complained that the HST has done nothing to benefit them (though I find that claim dubious when it comes to the food and beverage industry unless they were getting their supplies under the table prior.) And of course some businesses have quietly kept the extra tax savings while maintaining prices (so the money is going somewhere, just not to the end consumer.)
If income taxes are low (which they are in BC), somethings gotta give. There are various ways of doing so - taxing businesses, taxing property and assets, or taxing consumption. Guess which one the government chose?
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Exactly, people just don't understand that taxes must come from somewhere.
I'd rather pay less income tax than more in HST.
That way, people that buy more get taxed more. I think that's fair. Just like the carbon tax. If you drive you have to pay more in gas tax than those who take public transit/walk/ride Posted via RS Mobile | |
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Originally Posted by spyker At least the people of B.C now have a choice(something we very rarely get nowadays)on this tax,if we want it or not....something we did not get in the beginning when the HST was implemented. | The average person is an idiot and only cares for themselves. I understand we are in a democracy, but sometimes it's better when shit is decided for us. Especially something like this.
Take for example a middle income family that doesn't buy much. With the HST, potentially income tax would decrease and give them more money in their pocket with having the same social services their used to including their health premiums.
Noiw without the HST they lose all of that.
And this same family will vote to get rid of the hst. Even though doing this will hurt them more Posted via RS Mobile | |
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Originally Posted by tool001 meh , just deal with it, HST or other tax ... wish people complain about other things ie. police brutality. homelessness, conditon of vancouver roads. etc etc. | EVERY SINGLE time its always about the homeless always homeless this homeless that. What issue in the past 10 years in Vancouver wasn't associated with the homeless? I have NEVER stopped hearing people bitching about the homeless
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Lol with HST at least I only get taxed on when I spend. Unlike Income Tax or Property tax I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
Would people rather the gov raise Income or property tax or keep HST. Ppl who sign the Anti HST are stupid and have no clue what they are digging themselves into.
Remember when the NDP was in powers through the 1990s they dig BC into such a mess by freezeing tution fees, handing out tax dollars like it was free, racking up provinical debts and now we are paying for it.
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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp Lol with HST at least I only get taxed on when I spend. Unlike Income Tax or Property tax I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
Would people rather the gov raise Income or property tax or keep HST. Ppl who sign the Anti HST are stupid and have no clue what they are digging themselves into.
Remember when the NDP was in powers through the 1990s they dig BC into such a mess by freezeing tution fees, handing out tax dollars like it was free, racking up provinical debts and now we are paying for it. | People are dumb, they don't understand that. All they know is that taxes are bad, and they're just a cashgrab. The majority of immigrants in BC (Which make up a large population of BC) come from places with such a crappy government that the last thing they want to do is give money to any government. They don't realize what makes Canada different from their country is we have the money to ensure everyone's safety and make their lives better.
If you look @ newspapers or articles they'll write how government officials have gotten a raise in pay, and then in the corner it'll have a different article mention the HST. The average person thinks they're connecting the dots and being ever so clever when they think HST goes to pay government officials or other superfluous things.
And everyone rid the Olympics' dick like no tomorrow with their cute little red gloves but when it comes time to pay everyone's bitching.
Anyways, as everyones said, HST is better than income tax.
PS. Don't fail me murd0c unless you're one of the fatties!
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Originally Posted by dhillon09 People are dumb, they don't understand that. All they know is that taxes are bad, and they're just a cashgrab. The majority of immigrants in BC (Which make up a large population of BC) come from places with such a crappy government that the last thing they want to do is give money to any government. They don't realize what makes Canada different from their country is we have the money to ensure everyone's safety and make their lives better.
If you look @ newspapers or articles they'll write how government officials have gotten a raise in pay, and then in the corner it'll have a different article mention the HST. The average person thinks they're connecting the dots and being ever so clever when they think HST goes to pay government officials or other superfluous things.
And everyone rid the Olympics' dick like no tomorrow with their cute little red gloves but when it comes time to pay everyone's bitching.
Anyways, as everyones said, HST is better than income tax.
PS. Don't fail me murd0c unless you're one of the fatties! | alot of people support cuts to provincial programs however, which is why they also opposte tax cuts
this is very basic, but i'm sure alot of people have bones to pick with some of the provincial budget http://www.bcbudget.gov.bc.ca/2010/h...Highlights.pdf | |
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