Vancouver pedestrian dies after being struck by cyclist [Archive]

observer

11-22-2010, 11:33 AM

VANCOUVER -- An 80-year-old Vancouver pedestrian died after being struck by a cyclist while crossing Main Street last week, Vancouver police said Monday.

The Vancouver police collision investigation unit is investigating the accident, which occurred about 6:30 a.m. Wednesday, Nov. 17, police said in a press release.

The cyclist was riding northbound in the curb lane of the 3500 block of Main Street when the pedestrian began to cross the street mid-block and was struck.

The pedestrian suffered a serious head injury and passed away the following day.

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Meowjin

11-22-2010, 11:37 AM

god damn fucking hipster on a fixie.

q0192837465

11-22-2010, 11:43 AM

can't say we didnt see it coming

RIP old man

So the cyclist doesnt have insurance, I wonder how the litigation is gonna proceed. Will he be charged just like a driver? Or as manslaughter?

bloodmack

11-22-2010, 11:45 AM

Thats gotta suck. Death by bicycle

haulin oats

11-22-2010, 11:50 AM

so it sounds like the 80 year old crossed the street in the dark, not at a controlled intersection, and was struck by the bike rider. doesn't seem like it's the bike riders fault.

11-22-2010, 11:53 AM

Farfetched

11-22-2010, 11:53 AM

yea let's not get ahead of ourselves.

"So far, police have found no fault with the cyclist involved in last Wednesday's accident, which is being classified as a "casualty" rather than a traffic fatality."

q0192837465

11-22-2010, 11:54 AM

so it sounds like the 80 year old crossed the street in the dark, not at a controlled intersection, and was struck by the bike rider. doesn't seem like it's the bike riders fault.

what if the same thing happens but with a car, will it be the driver's fault?

gdoh

11-22-2010, 11:58 AM

^i think it would be the cars fault because as the driver your supposed anticipate it

as for people cross when ever they want bicyclists are the worst for going when ever they want

Greenstoner

11-22-2010, 12:01 PM

Beautiful British Columbia

Pedestrian -> Cyclist -> Bus -> Car

Most Powerful -----> Least Powerful

optiblue

11-22-2010, 12:03 PM

I can't count how many times I've almost been run down by a cyclist. As they're coming to a 4 way stop, some just ring their bell or shout out while they blow the stop sign with you still crossing. They think it's the end of the world if they come to a full stop. I've even seen some who ride on sidewalks full of people. I hate cyclists both as a pedestrian and as a driver. I hope they make a scape goat out of this guy.

I think it's still going to be 100% fault of the cyclist. It's like a car hitting a pedestrian! It's never the case that the pedestrian came at and hit the car/bike with the end result being death.
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dachinesedude

11-22-2010, 12:09 PM

lets not get ahead of ourselves, i wouldnt totally blame the cyclist as the senior was crossing mid-block, so he was going gonna J-walk, but then again the cyclist shouldve seen this coming if he was actually looking ahead, so unless theres more info, i say 50/50

91civicZC

11-22-2010, 12:21 PM

Generally from what I have seen, the driver is rarely charged if hitting a pedestrian that walked in front of the vehicle in a non controlled area (no light, crosswalk ect). I’m betting this old guy just stepped off the curb into the bike.

However, it being 6:30 AM, its still dark out, I wonder if the bike had any lights? If not, he may be charged. If the bike did have lights, it’s probably all on the pedestrian.

All in all though, just another reason why cyclists on busy routes or in urban areas should be insured and plated the same as cars.

Meowjin

11-22-2010, 12:24 PM

Main street

Hipster

One gear

No brakes
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gars

11-22-2010, 12:52 PM

lgman

11-22-2010, 12:58 PM

RIP
To be fair, a some seniors for some reason think that they can cross where ever, whenever they want....

....always a tragedy. RIP, Vancouver pedestrian.

http://photos.igougo.com/images/p182101-Vancouver-Vancouver_Chinatown.jpg

taylor192

11-22-2010, 01:00 PM

I'm ok with cyclists, but one big gripe is that if I'm driving on a busy road, and I know that a block away, there is a bike lane set up, I have no idea why they don't just bike there instead. There are so many roads set up for bikes, with bike crossings and whatnot, away from the busy streets... why don't bikers use it??
I don't know either. The streets designated as bike paths have traffic buttons more accessible to a bike, and generally less stop signs in the direction of the bike path. I prefer using these designated streets.

-EuroRSN-

11-22-2010, 01:05 PM

Pedestrians hate Motorists, while they hate Pedestrians although everybody HATES CYCLISTS!!! RIP

twitchyzero

11-22-2010, 01:06 PM

J-walk at your own risk. Especially if it's dark out and you pop out of no where wearing black jeans and a black jacket..Bikers/drivers should not be charged.

taylor192

11-22-2010, 01:10 PM

J-walk at your own risk. Especially if it's dark out and you pop out of no where wearing black jeans and a black jacket..Bikers/drivers should not be charged.
Try living in Kits, every friggin yuppy/hippy/bum thinks they are entitled to walk out into the middle of the street, in the dark, in the rain, while wearing dark colours. I'm surprised I haven't killed someone :D

Hondaracer

11-22-2010, 02:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geIsWq5xOSE

ilvtofu

11-22-2010, 02:15 PM

dutch

11-22-2010, 02:24 PM

To be fair, some cyclists think they can ride where ever they want. I've had a couple close calls where they just ride through stop signs, sidewalks, etc. and expects everyones to get out of their way. Seriously it takes a bike a split second to come to a complete stop...

RIP anyways

To be fair, some motorists think they can drive where ever they want. I've had a couple close calls where they just drive through bike lanes, crosswalks, double solids etc. and expects everyone to get out of their way.

There are going to be idiots everywhere you go.

124Y

11-22-2010, 02:38 PM

To be fair, a some seniors for some reason think that they can cross where ever, whenever they want. I've had a couple close calls where they just step on to the road in the middle of a busy street and expects to be stopped for. Luckily I've always been able to stop in time.
But of course, we don't know the situation of this case.

Nonetheless, always a tragedy. RIP, Vancouver pedestrian.
To be fair, some cyclists think they can ride where ever they want. I've had a couple close calls where they just ride through stop signs, sidewalks, etc. and expects everyones to get out of their way. Seriously it takes a bike a split second to come to a complete stop...

RIP anywaysTo be fair, some motorists think they can drive where ever they want. I've had a couple close calls where they just drive through bike lanes, crosswalks, double solids etc. and expects everyone to get out of their way.

There are going to be idiots everywhere you go.

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/5640/xzibitwtf.jpg

SumAznGuy

11-22-2010, 03:07 PM

No where in the article did it mention if the cyclist had any lights or reflectors on the front of his bike.

It's sad that the pedestrian passed away after being hit by the cyclist, but what if he didn't see the biker cause that person didn't have any lights on and was wearing dark colored clothing.

As for 91civicZC's comment, does the guy running a yellow light hitting the jaywalker on Nanimo st. count? Or the guy driving the flatbed truck who hit the mother and ran over the baby who was on the middle of the street because of construction across the street from Rogers Arena count?

InvisibleSoul

11-22-2010, 03:09 PM

^i think it would be the cars fault because as the driver your supposed anticipate it
So if you're driving along at 50kmph, and up ahead there's someone standing still by the curb as you're approaching, but without warning suddenly decides to step out when you're five meters away before you hit him, you're at fault?

TheKingdom2000

11-22-2010, 03:11 PM

^i think it would be the cars fault because as the driver your supposed anticipate it

as for people cross when ever they want bicyclists are the worst for going when ever they want

i don't think so.
if a pedestrian j-walks and you hit them.
you aren't at fault. or if they cross when they're not supposed and you hit them you are still not at fault.

that would be ridiculous if drivers are expected to always anticipate stupid shit pedestrians do.

Lomac

11-22-2010, 03:33 PM

i don't think so.
if a pedestrian j-walks and you hit them.
you aren't at fault. or if they cross when they're not supposed and you hit them you are still not at fault.

that would be ridiculous if drivers are expected to always anticipate stupid shit pedestrians do.

That's exactly it.

A few years back during the Langley Cruise-In, a pedestrian was struck and killed while trying to cross the Langley Bypass (a very, very busy road for those who don't know it) in the dark. The driver was deemed to not be at fault because this person simply tried to run across the road without looking for oncoming cars.

It's hard to be tried for manslaughter (even involuntary manslaughter) when the other person is doing absolutely nothing to prevent themselves from being hurt.

SumAznGuy

11-22-2010, 03:36 PM

It's hard to be tried for manslaughter (even involuntary manslaughter) when the other person is doing absolutely nothing to prevent themselves from being hurt.

I've mentioned 2 cases. I'm sure I can dig up more.
Logically you are 110% correct, but something is a miss with our legal system.

Lomac

11-22-2010, 03:40 PM

I've mentioned 2 cases. I'm sure I can dig up more.
Logically you are 110% correct, but something is a miss with our legal system.

I'm unfamiliar with those two cases, so I don't know if the drivers were charged or not. :p I was simply talking about a case I knew because, unfortunately, I was there when it happened.

SumAznGuy

11-22-2010, 03:53 PM

I'm unfamiliar with those two cases, so I don't know if the drivers were charged or not. :p I was simply talking about a case I knew because, unfortunately, I was there when it happened.

The driver was charged with vehicular manslaughter because he ran a yellow light while doing 60 km/h trying to beat the light on a dark rainy January night. The pedestrian was wearing dark coloured clothing and started to cross on a red light to catch the bus at Nanimo skytrain station.
In the end, the driver was aquitted, but not after suffering verbal assaults from the deceased parents/friends and suffering through the trial.

The other case involved a mother and baby in a stroller who was walking on Pacific blvd because the curb was blocked off due to construction of a apartment. Somehow, the driver ran over the baby and stroller and knocked the mother down to the ground.
The said driver is currently awaiting trial on his vehicular manslauter charge.

El Bastardo

11-22-2010, 03:58 PM

Critical Mass has taken their movement to the next level

johny

11-22-2010, 04:03 PM

new law comming. all pedestrains need to wear helmets.

604nguyen

11-22-2010, 04:08 PM

Damn hipsters
6;30 in the morning? Must have been an emergency poem writing seminar or yoga class
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dat_steve

11-22-2010, 05:33 PM

jeans were probably too tight

Mr.HappySilp

11-22-2010, 06:46 PM

so it sounds like the 80 year old crossed the street in the dark, not at a controlled intersection, and was struck by the bike rider. doesn't seem like it's the bike riders fault.

LOL if it was the car doing the hitting everyone would jump on the driver. Why would the cyclist be treated different?

!SG

11-22-2010, 06:48 PM

damn street racer!

goo3

11-22-2010, 09:12 PM

Pedestrians hate Motorists, while they hate Pedestrians although everybody HATES CYCLISTS!!! RIP

Pedestrians don't hate motorists. 99% of drivers are pretty predictable. The only ppl saying pedestrians hate motorists are the cyclists cuz they want to point the finger the other way.

orgasm_donor

11-22-2010, 10:27 PM

Beautiful British Columbia

Pedestrian -> Cyclist -> Bus -> Car

Most Powerful -----> Least Powerful

In England: Bus> truck> Car> Motorcycle> Bicycle> Dog> Cat> Pidgeon> Pedestrian. Its true...sort of.

RIP old guy.

Mr.HappySilp

11-22-2010, 10:31 PM

Off topic but when I walk to work there is a bike lane but cyclist never USED IT!
They would either ride on the sidewalk going really fast and if you don't move they just keep going. Or they like to ride on the lane where the cars are driving O_o what gives?

fliptuner

11-22-2010, 10:35 PM

new law comming. all pedestrains need to wear helmets.

More like all cyclists should get insurance, registration and be subject to (and enforced) the same penalties as car drivers.

You want to be part of the road, pay up like everyone else.

maxxxboost

11-22-2010, 11:06 PM

That totally sucks, RIP to the old man

too bad it didn't cancel each other out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQgonj3UnUI&feature=related

Anjew

11-22-2010, 11:32 PM

hahahahhahahha oh man

seakrait

11-23-2010, 12:21 AM

More like all cyclists should get insurance, registration and be subject to (and enforced) the same penalties as car drivers.

You want to be part of the road, pay up like everyone else.

iirc:

if the cyclist has a bc license and has a car insured with icbc, and if the cyclist is found to be at fault, i think icbc can go after that (in a limited sense) on the pedestrian's behalf.

also, if you have a bc license and are a pedestrian, and you get hit by a car that isn't insured or doesn't have enough insurance, you are still covered to a degree.

Death2Theft

11-23-2010, 09:18 AM

While i'm a biker myself, Whenever I see idiots riding on the big streets like main or grandview I make it a point to get as close as I can go them without clipping them.
I'm ok with cyclists, but one big gripe is that if I'm driving on a busy road, and I know that a block away, there is a bike lane set up, I have no idea why they don't just bike there instead. There are so many roads set up for bikes, with bike crossings and whatnot, away from the busy streets... why don't bikers use it??

gdoh

11-23-2010, 09:31 AM

So if you're driving along at 50kmph, and up ahead there's someone standing still by the curb as you're approaching, but without warning suddenly decides to step out when you're five meters away before you hit him, you're at fault?

not what i meant by it cuz obviously theres no way u can stop in time

im just saying that ur supposed to be aware go and look at a learners book

drunkrussian

11-23-2010, 11:13 AM

i totally agree that a lotta old ppl break the law, old ppl can die easily etc. but if the cyclist was going a safe speed, with proper equipment, he would see properly and not crash. No excuse.

Hopefully this causes some sorta restriction in bike lanes and cyclist laws. Would make no sense, but i'd love that for selfish reasons - i hate cyclists

Mugen EvOlutioN

11-23-2010, 11:19 AM

come work in DT for one day, just one fucking day and you will see how these dumbass cyclists rides everyday

:bullshit:

Vinny G

11-23-2010, 11:28 AM

I love how there are bike lanes downtown and there are still more cyclists on the sidewalk than on the bike lane.

Death2Theft

11-24-2010, 05:55 AM

Unless you peds start shoving cyclists onto the bike lanes or knocking them off the bikes they arn't going to use them.

I can't count how many times i've nearly slayed some jerkoff who was running accross an intersection on red or turned red but still gonna keep running trying to make the bus fucker. Guess I can be thankful that these same idiots dont have a DL to drive....

InvisibleSoul

11-24-2010, 08:18 AM

not what i meant by it cuz obviously theres no way u can stop in time

im just saying that ur supposed to be aware go and look at a learners book
The point here is we don't know the details of how it happened, so it's negligent to assume that the driver/rider is at fault because they should always be aware.

Spidey

11-24-2010, 08:27 AM

It may or may not be the fault of the cyclist. BUT this is the problem I have when it comes to cyclists and their "rights".

1) If they want the same RIGHTS as cars on the road... fucking ABIDE by the same laws! Get INSURANCE, STOP AT RED LIGHTS/SIGNS, AND YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS!

2) Have lights on your bike

3) YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS

4) STOP AT FUCKING LIGHTS

5)YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS

6)STOP AT FUCKING LIGHTS!

As a cyclist, you should not get right of way to my car if you want the same rights as cars!

Also, it is BS that if it were a car, it would be the cars fault.