[The_AK]

Report: N. Korea fires on S. Korea, injuring at least 6

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Tuesday fired artillery into the sea near its tense western sea border with South Korea, injuring at least four South Korean soldiers and two civilians, the Yonhap news agency reported.

At least 200 rounds of artillery hit an inhabited South Korean island after the North started firing about 2:30 p.m. local time, Yonhap said.
South Korea's military responded with 80 rounds of artillery and deployed fighter jets to counter the fire, the report said.
The South Korean army also raised its alert condition, the report said.

Images of plumes of smoke were quickly broadcast on Yonhap television from the island of Yeonpyeong, but it was not immediately clear what the artillery had hit.

The island that was hit has a total of about 1,300 residents, a fisherman who lives on the island told Yonhap.
The South Korean government immediately called an emergency meeting of its security ministers.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/11/23/world/23koreacnd2_337-span/23koreacnd2_337-span-popup.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?on.cnn=1

Discuss.

[Berzerker]

Uninhabited..... I guess the 1300 people that live there don't really matter in the grand scheme of things..

Berz out.

[Mr.HappySilp]

WW3!

[Tim Budong]

and it begins

[mmmk]

so they're really tryin to start a war...

[Not really racist!]

gawd dam....

i got a bad feelin about this

[Tim Budong]

well alot of ppl sayin KimJongUh is worst than KimJongIll

so we will see

[Doridori]

On CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

[StylinRed]

might be fake like the ship sinking; if you believe the story of war games going on there that was looking for subs at the time + other stuff etc (which is fact, the games that is)

[Grandmaster TSE]

korean war!!!

[liu13]

why cant they settle this rivalry over a game of starcraft

[Ch28]

The North implemented their Ling rush strategy perfectly by striking first.

We'll see how the Southern Terran hold out. Will their supply depot and siege tank strategy hold up?

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/justgotreal.gif

[bcedhk]

just another media drama frenzy.

in a month people will forget it even happen.

just my two won's

[CP.AR]

korean war should be fought with SC2. not real weapons

[tofu1413]

korean pt II. the remix.


jokes aside, i read this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10165796

More than 50 years on, the truce is still all that technically prevents North Korea and the US - along with its ally South Korea - resuming the war, as no peace treaty has ever been signed.

Both sides regularly accuse the other of violating the agreement, but the accusations have become more frequent as tensions rise over North Korea's nuclear programme.

When the armistice was signed on 27 July 1953, talks had already dragged on for two years, ensnared in testy issues such as the exchange of prisoners of war and the location of a demarcation line

Military commanders from China and North Korea signed the agreement on one side, with the US-led United Nations Command signing on behalf of the international community. South Korea was not a signatory.

The armistice was only ever intended as a temporary measure.

The document, signed by US Lieutenant General William K Harrison and his counterpart from the North's army, General Nam Il, said it was aimed at a ceasefire "until a final peaceful settlement is achieved".

However, that settlement never came, and a conference in Geneva in 1954 which was designed to thrash out a formal peace accord ended without agreement.

The armistice is still the only safeguard for peace on the Korean peninsula.

The agreement provided for:

A suspension of open hostilities
A fixed demarcation line with a four kilometre (2.4 mile) buffer zone - the so-called demilitarisation zone
A mechanism for the transfer of prisoners of war
Both sides pledged not to "execute any hostile act within, from, or against the demilitarised zone", or enter areas under control of the other.

The agreement also called for the establishment of the Military Armistice Commission (MAC) and other agencies to ensure the truce held.

The MAC, which comprises members from both sides, still meets regularly in the truce village of Panmunjom.

Despite the relative peace since the war ended, tensions remain high between the two Koreas, and their border remains the most heavily militarised frontier in the world.




best korea is technically still at war with the south.


ghost reporting...

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[dachinesedude]

if shits really gonna go down, whos got who on their side?

South Korea + US + ??? vs North Korea + ???

[m!chael]

might be fake like the ship sinking; if you believe the story of war games going on there that was looking for subs at the time + other stuff etc (which is fact, the games that is)

From my understanding, the conspiracy theories claim that the ship ran aground and it was blamed on North Korea because of the elections that were about to be held around that time. Basically the south blamed the north for its fuck up.

In this case, what does the south have to benefit from this. Did they accidentally shell themselves and then blame it on the North?

I think its more believable that the North actually shelled the south in order to instigate something.

[mb_]

Read on another forum that one SK soldier has been killed.. Not sure how credible my source is but he's South Korean if that changes anything

[Fobman]

fuck.. my freinds and family members are in the army right now.

[MelonBoy]

What kind of artillery were they using.. 200 rounds and i only see like 4 fires?..

[MindBomber]

There are times I really wish Canada didn't border the States..


I'm still not sure why North Korea is at war with South Korea, do they want to take over the South?

[dinamix]

everytime i hear about koreans i think about this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oGx2dImE8

[ilvtofu]

Interested to see how next few days will play out

Uninhabited..... I guess the 1300 people that live there don't really matter in the grand scheme of things..

Berz out.

It says inhabited btw

[goo3]

I'm still not sure why North Korea is at war with South Korea, do they want to take over the South?

cuz losers need someone to blame their troubles on?

[TRDood]

How is the market going to react tomorrow morning? Hope it's nothing big.
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[EmOne]

He's just bored and trolling again
PROBLEM WORLD?

http://imgur.com/iMwcL.gif

[Ch28]

How is the market going to react tomorrow morning? Hope it's nothing big.
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Hong Kong market has already dropped

[dub.g]

quick!

someone fly out taeyeon, yoona, yuri, tiffany, jessica, sooyoung, sunny, boa, chae young lee, eunjung to vancouver now!




im pretty sure spugen is doing everything he can now to fly out all the kpop boybands to his house

[TRDood]

Hong Kong market has already dropped

Fuuuuu -650 points already.
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[bcedhk]

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/119810_o.gif
shit just got realz

[EmOne]

lol who here is reading the thread on OT?

[Grandmaster TSE]

i am hhaha

[Ch28]

lol who here is reading the thread on OT?

You broke rule #1 asshole.

[EmOne]

You broke rule #1 asshole.

yeah because they know what a OT is http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughr.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughr.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[Lomac]

lol who here is reading the thread on OT?

I keep meaning to subscribe to OT but always forget... :( :lol

[Grandmaster TSE]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/2/2d/Starcraft.jpg

:rofl:

[EmOne]

I keep meaning to subscribe to OT but always forget... :( :lol

do it, although it hasnt been very entertaining lately

[Frost]

I'm in Korea right now every thing seems fine.

[Grandmaster TSE]

I'm in Korea right now every thing seems fine.

which korea?

[Tim Budong]

yeah because they know what a OT is http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughr.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughr.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

haha
someday i will subscribe to OT
someday

[Ch28]

Fazle will not have you.
Tank will not want you
Glen will just straight up ban you.

[tofu1413]

hes able to get on RS.. so most likely the south

[PiuYi]

i wonder what really happend.... cuz i doubt either one wants a war right now

[Ch28]

Good breakdown of NK shit in here

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-%282009%29 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes%21-%282009%29)

[EmOne]

i wonder what really happend.... cuz i doubt either one wants a war right now

"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.

[EmOne]

Good breakdown of NK shit in here

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-%282009%29 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes%21-%282009%29)

repost

[CKLCKL]

who cares about korea

[Y2K_o__o]

and it begins

Without the approval of China / US
the war isn't going to happen

[willystyle]

Without the approval of China / US
the war isn't going to happen
Not sure if China would want to back NK, what would China benefit from that?

[gars]

the scary shit about this war - is that both sides are so close together, and there is such a large concentration of firepower right by the DMZ, that if either side decides to, they can annihilate massive cities with minutes. Seoul has an insane number of artillery pieces aimed at it, and I think that is one of the big reasons why the International Community has decided not to intervene with too much force - but would rather be diplomatic about it.

[EmperorIS]

NORTH KOREAN ARMY!!!!! ASSEMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6PxkeOIMA8&feature=related

[Culture_Vulture]

if shits really gonna go down, whos got who on their side?

South Korea + US + ??? vs North Korea + ???
This is one of the situations where it's hard to say if the Americans will even react directly towards North Korea, or immediately for that matter.

You'd probably have to determine how the PRC will act if hell does break loose. North Korea's geographic proximity to China serves as a military bulwark from Japan (and by this extension, American military dominance).
It's a delicate situation for South Korea and the Japan/United States alliance, but it's an even more volatile situation for China, which in my opinion will be the sole determinant for the outcomes of any hypothetical conflict.

[SkinnyPupp]

Good breakdown of NK shit in here

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-%282009%29 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes%21-%282009%29)
Fantastic link, thanks!

[maxx]

The Russians are condemning the artilleries from both sides...

[SkinnyPupp]

All that matters is how China reacts, really

[StylinRed]

From my understanding, the conspiracy theories claim that the ship ran aground and it was blamed on North Korea because of the elections that were about to be held around that time. Basically the south blamed the north for its fuck up.

In this case, what does the south have to benefit from this. Did they accidentally shell themselves and then blame it on the North?

I think its more believable that the North actually shelled the south in order to instigate something.


from what i read about the incident is the ship hit a mine or something and the usa needed an excuse to not pull its military out of Japan (because Japan was about to vote for the USA to get out) and so some threat of destabilization would allow them to stay (and well it worked) + some other stuff can't really remember or care that much

but about this? :shrug: :Popcorn:Popcorn

[jstn86]

there are 28000 active american troops stationed in korea right now.

if the north attacks and any of the 28000 soldiers are killed/injured, the US definitely will step in.

fucking north korea...

there are rumours from korean media floating around that kim jong il is dead and his newly appointed predecessor and his youngest son, kim jong un, ordered the attack to

1) show the world that he ain't a softy and he means business

2) show his generals and high ranking political party leaders that he's boss and discourage them from a possible coup fora power struggle


most of you guys don't know but there have been 2 other incidents near that island in the past. they had a quite large navy ship battle where there were casualties on both sides.

[danned]

2012 is real end

[TOPEC]

Just destroy north korea already and we all pretend there was never a north korea, rename south korea to "korea island". Reprint all the world maps with water between china and south korea. Problem solved.
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[Carl Johnson]

This little conflict will be resolved very quickly IMHO. The world is just coming out the worst recession in a generation, so it is in China and U.S.'s interests as well the two Korea that this particular issue it dealt swiftly through diplomacy and not by the use of force.

[geeknerd]

What do guys think of this prophet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX_m313u-yU&feature=related
he also had similar prophecys on katrina and other stuff.

[gdoh]

NORTH KOREAN ARMY!!!!! ASSEMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6PxkeOIMA8&feature=related

wow thats some intense shit

[boss604]

North Korea is best Korea.
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[CP.AR]

invade 4chan with anon. they will shit bricks

[Tim Budong]

after these events
the "oh great leader" WILL NOT BE HAPPY

http://mbatm27.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/slide1.jpg

[TOS'd]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2iqh1c9.jpg

[iEatClams]

just repeating what someone else has already said on another comment:

China won’t let North Korea attack South Korea any more aggressively as it is a client state of their biggest debtor, not to mention the biggest purchaser of their manufactured goods. No way the elites in China will jeopardize 10% GDP growth for the sake of a madman in Pyongyang.

[iEatClams]

^ biggest debtor and biggest purchaser of manuf. goods being the USA.

[bcedhk]

there are 28000 active american troops stationed in korea right now.

if the north attacks and any of the 28000 soldiers are killed/injured, the US definitely will step in.

fucking north korea...

there are rumours from korean media floating around that kim jong il is dead and his newly appointed predecessor and his youngest son, kim jong un, ordered the attack to

1) show the world that he ain't a softy and he means business

2) show his generals and high ranking political party leaders that he's boss and discourage them from a possible coup fora power struggle


most of you guys don't know but there have been 2 other incidents near that island in the past. they had a quite large navy ship battle where there were casualties on both sides.

media always speculates KJI is dead.wasnt he on the televised mass parade this year?

I would agree though their attack to be a propaganda act for north koreans to keep them brainwashed.

[strykn]

How is the market going to react tomorrow morning? Hope it's nothing big.
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Not fucking good at all. :bullshit::mad::fuuuuu:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

we at war

[gdoh]

Not fucking good at all. :bullshit::mad::fuuuuu:

i thkn it was reacting to the whole irish portiguel news...

[strykn]

^ I'm referring to the US markets lol

[wasabisashimi]

Not sure if China would want to back NK, what would China benefit from that?

if north korea fires missles to Taiwan too, would china wants to back them up then?

[StylinRed]

President Lee Myung-bak was responding to the shelling of an inhabited island close to a disputed maritime border.

The South returned fire in one of the worst clashes since the Korean War.

...

The South Korean military had been carrying out an exercise near Yeonpyeong island, and the North accused the South of opening the hostilities - something Seoul denies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11823474


hmm 2 sides

maybe during the exercise they went over the line (into disputed territories)
maybe something else happened during the exercise (like a stray shell or something)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50111000/gif/_50111180_nk_sk464x280_2.gif
that island is like right on top of disputed waters


S Korea is going to deploy US Nukes in.. well S. Korea (deploy as in set up)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/22/south-korea-us-tactical-weapons-nuclear

[EmperorIS]

this also means we get a new series of MASH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cYZGaDF6xI&feature=related

[willystyle]

if north korea fires missles to Taiwan too, would china wants to back them up then?
That won't happen.

[gen5accordv6]

if north korea fires missles to Taiwan too, would china wants to back them up then?

only when taiwan agrees that it is part of China ;)

[Big.Xero]

they better send SNSD to Canada for safety. I have a safehouse, they are welcome.

[dachinesedude]

Good breakdown of NK shit in here

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-%282009%29 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes%21-%282009%29)

wow this guy did his homework!

This is strictly a ‘what if’ section, I do not believe that North Korea plans or would likely be drawn to a nuclear first strike. As much as it is a “rogue nation” with an (arguably) unstable and irrational leadership, it isn’t suicidal. In gaining nuclear arms North Korea made itself virtually un-invadable, but it also raised the stakes should war actually occur; whatever North Korea can throw at South Korea, Japan or even Hawaii, it’s nothing compared to what it’d face in return. I think it’s clear that North Korea’s desperate bid for nuclear weapons is defensive in nature; a sign of paranoia and small man syndrome on a national scale.


I totally agree with this

[wasabisashimi]

only when taiwan agrees that it is part of China ;)

Sorry, people are confused to my post. Here is the correction : " Would china want to back up north korea and become the dream team and take over south beach in south korea and Taiwan."

[murmur]

Sorry, people are confused to my post. Here is the correction : " Would china want to back up north korea and become the dream team and take over south beach in south korea and Taiwan."

eventhough china and north korea signed some sort of treaty 50 years ago that stated china will help north korea when there will be war, i don't think china will bother to help them anymore after north korea's nuisance this few years.

why help a lunatic that would shoot nuclear bomb everywhere?
north korea has been over-relying on china's financial/food aid and act like monkey in the six nations nuclear talk.

i doubt china would even want a war to happen. china would be more concern of its own problem and the possible flood of refugees coming from north korea (if a war will provoke).

[SkinnyPupp]

eventhough china and north korea signed some sort of treaty 50 years ago that stated china will help north korea when there will be war, i don't think china will bother to help them anymore after north korea's nuisance this few years.

why help a lunatic that would shoot nuclear bomb everywhere?
north korea has been over-relying on china's financial/food aid and act like monkey in the six nations nuclear talk.

i doubt china would even want a war to happen. china would be more concern of its own problem and the possible flood of refugees coming from north korea (if a war will provoke).
Agreed (I think)

[murmur]

if a war would happen, this war would be very complicated

north korea vs. south korea

pro:
- unified korea
- the nuclear danger in east asian finally ended

cons:
- south korea will lose their miracle economy progress that they achieved for the past twenty years, not every country is lucky like south korea to have a strong economy like today
- danger of mass lives lost (because seoul is located near north korea, if a war will happen, what happen if one of the dirty bombs landed in the capital?)
- if north korea lose the war and a unified korea happen, would the new unified korea face economical problem similar to germany? (when west germany and east germany unified)

sometimes talking to my korean friends, i am disappointed at the conspiracy that china is behind north korea, funding 'north korean criminals' to wage the war, then having the ambition to invade north korea to create a puppet state to benefit china, this is all too difficult and complex to predict.

i hope this is one of those monkey actions that wont cause further trouble.
and i hope kim jong-un understands this wont do north korea good in the long run.

[SkinnyPupp]

I wouldn't be that surprised if China was behind NK, if their leaders weren't such fucking nutballs :lol

[StaxBundlez]

http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kim_jong_il_team_america1.jpg

[some_punk]

what ever happened to that nuclear detterance stuff, if you strike we strike back thing?

[asahai69]

hes just doing it for attention. after all, he is ronery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_9QhRzJEs

[Kamui712]

i like this one more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkRNIxH0k-8

[dinamix]

Iran will backup nk
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[Culture_Vulture]

It's interesting that nobody has brought Japan into all of this yet.

Regardless of how much influence China has (and will have) in this event, Japan has an even greater strategic importance in all this.

[MG1]

It's interesting that nobody has brought Japan into all of this yet.

Regardless of how much influence China has (and will have) in this event, Japan has an even greater strategic importance in all this.

Japan has a secret weapon nobody knows about. If and when they are attacked, the world will see why Japan has been so quiet for all these years.

[dbaz]

Japan has a secret weapon nobody knows about. If and when they are attacked, the world will see why Japan has been so quiet for all these years.

Gundam? or some weird device featuring tentacles?

[tofu1413]

Japan has a secret weapon nobody knows about. If and when they are attacked, the world will see why Japan has been so quiet for all these years.

http://www.ebasenet.com/images/gallery/Wallpapers/psycho_Gundam.jpg


let me guess.. they assemble them from runners for ease of mass production..?? :D


http://roboticsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/gundam-robot-japan.jpg

so i guess this is an actual operational unit??? :D

[JoshuaWong]

Japan has a secret weapon nobody knows about. If and when they are attacked, the world will see why Japan has been so quiet for all these years.

Gundam ?
http://journalofanotaku.com/real_life_gundam/day18.jpg

[hongy]

http://www.ebasenet.com/images/gallery/Wallpapers/psycho_Gundam.jpg




Needs Char

[4doorVIP]

U.S. aircraft carrier heads for Korean waters

The nuclear-powered USS George Washington, which carries 75 warplanes and has a crew of over 6,000, left a naval base south of Tokyo and would join exercises with South Korea from Sunday to the following Wednesday, U.S. officials in Seoul said.



http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAL3E6MN0SQ20101124?pageNumber=3&virtualBrandChannel=0

[tofu1413]

"an exercise" is just a cover up that theyre preparing for the worst to happen.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/cronofiend/Hyakushiki1.jpg

char.. using his fake alias, Quattro :D

[MindBomber]

^Asimo is just a distraction, this is what Honda has really been designing for years.

[-EuroRSN-]

Baba VangA was right about WW3...

[BNR32_Coupe]

http://33-minutes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/abl.jpg

my armchair retired-general's perspective

US are fully backing SK and presently have at least 24k ground troops stationed near the nk/sk border. with anti-missile shield carriers stationed off the shores of SK, and the fact that SK and NK's armies are about the same size (nukes aside, guys, nukes aside), it looks like NK is just itching to get steam rolled.

sk has a low risk for missiles impacting their city with their current theatre missile defense systems, and US carriers and their own missile shields, but even if 1 nuke slipped past all the missile defense systems, then SK's fucked and economy would go back down to shit

president lee from sk said there's no more warnings after this; next incident is war. i think he should do a cost-benefit analysis of the alternatives for the next 2 years:

1) do nothing; potentially lose 100's lives in next couple years, millions in dollars (following trend from last 5 years)
2) attack only when attacked; could escalate situation, which would inevitably bring it to alternative 3
3) attack n.k.; potentially lose millions of lives, cost billions in dollars, and take decades to rebuild economy and infrastructure

[TypeRNammer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lvJ6eFcCJE

[MindBomber]

War is inevitable in my opinion, the NK leadership is unstable, desperate and has been backed into a corner. Their acts of war will only continue to escalate until SK has no option but to eliminate the threat, at which point NK will throw its full military might at the world. I use military might loosely considering everything they possess is outdated, there population is starving in peace times and their only ally will likely turn against them.
I don't expect WW3, although I wouldn't be surprised if there was a nuclear device detonated on the Korean peninsula, but I do expect a new Vietnam. The NK people have been so brainwashed by their neurotic, paranoid leaders that I believe many will fight to the death before accepting a united Korea. The NK leadership have been elevated from the status of mortals to gods in their society, those loyal to them will behave as if they were defending their saviors.

My only hope is that the United States, in their infinite wisdom, refrains from retailiating to a nuclear attack with more nukes. That would WW3.

[tool001]

NK will not do anything without getting China's backing... and like always, china uses NK as bargaing chip.
All permanent SC members condemed NK except CHINA, which said both countries must back down.

All said, now the US is sending its AC fleet to Korean waters, it may irk NK more to see unfriendly forces multiply in thr backyard.
Even though SK is technically far ahead in military hardware, NK has way more conventional military hardware , and nukes (even though non of thr nuke delievery missiles are reliable).

[danizer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yyWZ2Z6Ps

the prophecy is being fulfilled!

[Gazorcoop]

Baba VangA was right about WW3...

I was just about to say.. haha damn

[tofu1413]

dont think korea would become that powerful.

but its bound to happen down the road, that they become united again. but not without consequences and sacrifice.

[SkinnyPupp]

All permanent SC members condemed NK except CHINA, which said both countries must back down.

Yup China has done that every time NK does something aggressive... "both of you, stop it!"

It's getting pretty obvious

[n'drew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_WhMBOYvE

[dbaz]

north korea says they will attack again if basically any more military movements are made against them

[EmperorIS]

north korea says they will attack again if basically any more military movements are made against them

and there has been .... south korea strengths troops @ border and US just sent over a battle carrier

north korea just waiting for china's nod and then all hell will break loose

[DragonChi]

http://33-minutes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/abl.jpg

president lee from sk said there's no more warnings after this; next incident is war. i think he should do a cost-benefit analysis of the alternatives for the next 2 years:

1) do nothing; potentially lose 100's lives in next couple years, millions in dollars (following trend from last 5 years)
2) attack only when attacked; could escalate situation, which would inevitably bring it to alternative 3
3) attack n.k.; potentially lose millions of lives, cost billions in dollars, and take decades to rebuild economy and infrastructure

whoa,... cost benefit analysis.. you sound like my econ prof.. lol
NK will probably throw up some propaganda when they get attacked

[Culture_Vulture]

and there has been .... south korea strengths troops @ border and US just sent over a battle carrier

north korea just waiting for china's nod and then all hell will break loose
and you think that's likely to happen?

[dbaz]

and there has been .... south korea strengths troops @ border and US just sent over a battle carrier

north korea just waiting for china's nod and then all hell will break loose

they apparently meant anything further than that? i was too lazy to read whole article.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/25/koreas.crisis/index.html

[tofu1413]

and there has been .... south korea strengths troops @ border and US just sent over a battle carrier

north korea just waiting for china's nod and then all hell will break loose

realistically, china wont give the nod.

[willystyle]

and there has been .... south korea strengths troops @ border and US just sent over a battle carrier

north korea just waiting for china's nod and then all hell will break loose
There's a higher chance of China annihilating the North Korean regime on their own than to go to into a war against the US.

[Culture_Vulture]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but this was pretty lulz,
Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-confuses-whos-on-our-side-in-northsouth-korea/

I can't believe this woman would run for candidacy :lol

[orange7]

bring all the hot south korean chicks to Vancouver for safety.

[goo3]

I can't believe this woman would run for candidacy :lol


As part of her media blitz, Ms Palin called in to the nationally syndicated Beck show. When she was asked about the escalating conflict in Asia she said it was worrying that the Obama administration could not be trusted to take the appropriate action.

“We're not having a lot of faith that the White House is going to come out with a strong enough policy to sanction what it is that North Korea is going to do. So this speaks to a bigger picture here that certainly scares me in terms of our national security policies,” she said.

“But obviously we gotta stand with our North Korean allies.”

The host interjected after her second slip of the tongue to point out that South Korea was the real US ally. “Err, yeah,” she said.


yeah holy fuckin shit what the fuck

[iwantaskyline]

War is inevitable in my opinion, the NK leadership is unstable, desperate and has been backed into a corner. Their acts of war will only continue to escalate until SK has no option but to eliminate the threat, at which point NK will throw its full military might at the world. I use military might loosely considering everything they possess is outdated, there population is starving in peace times and there only ally will likely turn against them.
I don't expect WW3, although I wouldn't be surprised if there was a nuclear device detonated on the Korean peninsula, but I do expect a new Vietnam. The NK people have been so brainwashed by their neurotic, paranoid leaders that I believe many will fight to the death before accepting a united Korea. The NK leadership have been elevated from the status of mortals to gods in their society, those loyal to them will behave as if they were defending their saviors.

My only hope is that the United States, in their infinite wisdom, refrains from retailiating to a nuclear attack with more nukes. That would WW3.

What makes you think their ally SOUTH KOREA would allow them to nuke North Korea? Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Teriyaki]

What makes you think their ally SOUTH KOREA would allow them to nuke North Korea? Makes no sense whatsoever.

If SK got nuked, i'm pretty darned sure SK would consider straight up just annihilating its evil twin brother NK.

[gdoh]

nothing is going to happen.

[chun]

^ Twin brother NK? :squint:

[gearshifter]

never liked north korea to begin with!

[Eastwood]

If SK got nuked, i'm pretty darned sure SK would consider straight up just annihilating its evil twin brother NK.
If South Korea got nuked I don't exactly follow how they're going to be able to retaliate.

[tool001]

If South Korea got nuked I don't exactly follow how they're going to be able to retaliate.

US would retaliate for them..


wait till chinese subs joins in like they did last time, when US had exercise around pacific. when they shadowed US fleet, undetected..

[alwaysideways]

^ If they went undetected how do you know about it? LOL

[EmperorIS]

^ If they went undetected how do you know about it? LOL

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9761/jokerfrown.png

[rsx]

WWIII? LOL! Doubtful. China and US aren't going to war.

[BNR32_Coupe]

If SK got nuked, i'm pretty darned sure SK would consider straight up just annihilating its evil twin brother NK.

evil twin bro.. Pass the spliff, bro!
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[JD¹³]

^ If they went undetected how do you know about it? LOL
Because a Chinese sub surfaced in the middle of a US carrier battle group and the Americans shit themselves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

If North Korea ever went nuclear on the South or any of it's allies it would be wiped off the face of the Earth within hours. It would be suicidal for NK to go nuclear, the only reason they're trying to get them is as a deterrent for an invasion.

[Culture_Vulture]

If South Korea got nuked I don't exactly follow how they're going to be able to retaliate.
South Korea doesn't exactly have a 2nd strike option, which makes it necessary and fortunate enough for the United States that they can bypass the notion of non-interference.

If shit hits the fan, Japanese and American forces alone will be enough to stomp North Korea flat, and China will (hopefully and more likely to) look the other way.
The North Koreans aren't that dumb. Their nuclear capabilities are for passive aggressive deterrence purposes only.

[vitaminG]

China isnt stupid they just want a buffer zone between them and SK, the status quo is working pretty well for china and i dont think they would want to do anything to change it.

As far as NK theyre just gonna keep acting unpredictable without doing anything to start an actual war so they have some bargaining chips whenever they go to six party talks. Their economy is fucked and they have no food or fuel so they have a lot to gain, and this is the only way they have any leverage.

[MindBomber]

I think that SK would be overjoyed to see NK be wiped off the map, as long as the nuclear fall out didn't spill over into their borders, which the US wouldn't allow to happen.
China has many reasons to preserve North Korea, so many its almost unpredictable what they would in the event of war. My knowledge of Asian politics is limited, but to my knowledge China doesn't have any other allies in the area if something happens. Let alone a fascist, communist country, so completely reliant on China's aid that they would do anything to protect it. Plus, the human rights violations committed in NK distract the world from anything China could possibly do wrong.

[Culture_Vulture]

I think that SK would be overjoyed to see NK be wiped off the map, as long as the nuclear fall out didn't spill over into their borders, which the US wouldn't allow to happen.
China has many reasons to preserve North Korea, so many its almost unpredictable what they would in the event of war. My knowledge of Asian politics is limited, but to my knowledge China doesn't have any other allies in the area if something happens. Let alone a fascist, communist country, so completely reliant on China's aid that they would do anything to protect it. Plus, the human rights violations committed in NK distract the world from anything China could possibly do wrong.
There are a lot less so called "reasons" to preserve North Korea than most people have been led to think.
Sure, it is the only noteworthy regime in Eastern/South Eastern Asia that has any significant military alliances with China, but let's not forget this treaty was signed over half a century ago. Since then, a lot of progression has been made on China's part. North Korea? Not so much.

North Korea's reliance on China's economy does not directly translate to them willing to be on that end of the leash. Conversely, China while having assets and prospects in North Korea, sees the crumbling of the regime, and statistics will show you that foreign aid (excluding those passed under the table) from China to North Korea have showed a steady decline over the past two decades despite China's growing economy.

As I alluded to in another post, the presence of North Korea's militaristic nature, to China, really is a matter of strategic (mostly military) importance. China has already been (albeit reluctantly) sucked into American dominance through economic and cultural imperialism; and a lot of scholars have observed that this unwillingness to succumb to Western politics and military might has resulted in the continuance of the China-North Korea relation.

So it's not China as a whole that needs to preserve North Korea. In fact, common sense dictates that it's the exact opposite, regardless what North Korea does to demonstrate their supposed credibility in the international system.
Because really, without China, what does North Korea have? A couple of outdated nukes, a starving population (and it's already being argued that the recent resurgence of the famine might have been the cause of this conflict), and a lethargic egotist who wants to bring the world down with him.

[dogeatcookie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yyWZ2Z6Ps

the prophecy is being fulfilled!

whoever made this game must be Korean.....no logical person would even begin to imagine KOREA taking over the world


so much lulz

[Berzerker]

NK has no defense against High Altitude Bombers... We won't even get into the fact they have no chance against Stealth technology. All the US would have to do is Fly over and Drop smart bombs on whatever they wanted and decimate the NK army.

Berz out.

[TOPoftheworld]

They should just settle it in a game of starcraft

[2damaxmr2]

Kim approves this message.

[MindBomber]

South Korea's defense minster was forced to resign over his handling of North Korean shelling today, he will be replaced shortly, and official policies governing response to North Korean attack are being changed to allow a greater use of force.

[shawn79]

which korea?

best korea

[BNR32_Coupe]

South Korea's defense minster was forced to resign over his handling of North Korean shelling today, he will be replaced shortly, and official policies governing response to North Korean attack are being changed to allow a greater use of force.

Why? He responded with 80 missiles to n.k
I suspect this is is a publicity scheme; a bluff that sk is stepping up their game.

In hindsight, Seoul will feel the effects of war no matter how it goes down
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[StylinRed]

NK has no defense against High Altitude Bombers... We won't even get into the fact they have no chance against Stealth technology. All the US would have to do is Fly over and Drop smart bombs on whatever they wanted and decimate the NK army.

Berz out.

war strategists say america cant win a war with NK unless they go nuclear


as for NK air force; their MIGs did intercept and try to force down a US spy plane (a RC-135 if i recall) back several years ago that was headed to NK (in international waters)
Whacko Bush didn't even use the opportunity to strike
edit: yep a rc-135s



i imagine the USA wouldnt do anything if NK did attack SK they may feel like they have to since its an affront to them (since they're stationed there) but they just cant afford it and the risks would be too great

however its probably because no1 knows how the other party would react that we actually don't have a war going on there

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't see why they'd need to go nuclear. They are pretty much a sitting target. It seems to me that the only issue is getting it all done before they can do significant damage to South Korea.

But that's based on what I've read... If you can post some articles by other war strategists I'd love to hear it! Not not those left bullshit fear mongers either ;)

[StylinRed]

dont have any links just pulling shit outta my head from years ago when i did a history report on the korean war

might be some fear mongering might not be, i know i usually avoid the "we're #1" propaganda pieces :D

[tool001]

I don't see why they'd need to go nuclear. They are pretty much a sitting target. It seems to me that the only issue is getting it all done before they can do significant damage to South Korea.

But that's based on what I've read... If you can post some articles by other war strategists I'd love to hear it! Not not those left bullshit fear mongers either ;)

that's maybe why they would, As NoKo they would start firing their Missiles at Japan, to widen the conflict, and to draw Chinese support.

the only risistance that NoKo put is , its Mig-29s (1980s), which are quite old, conventional Romeo/fox class subs (1960-70s). They do have alot of conventional tanks/howitzer that can inflict some damage on SoKo.

[RacePace]

I don't see why they'd need to go nuclear. They are pretty much a sitting target. It seems to me that the only issue is getting it all done before they can do significant damage to South Korea.


Yeah, apparently NK has enough artillery aimed at Seoul to level it in two hours.
http://www.businessinsider.com/map-of-the-day-how-north-korea-could-destroy-seoul-in-two-hours-2010-5

I wonder how long it would take the US to mobilize and send fighters/bombers to even reach their artillery.

[tool001]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50114000/gif/_50114613_military_balance_464.gif

[Great68]

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4bd96f4e7f8b9a1e0c150100/north-korea-army-women-marching.jpg

:bigthumb:

[RacePace]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50114000/gif/_50114613_military_balance_464.gif

Take a look at this, it's pretty cool:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/apr/01/information-is-beautiful-military-spending

about 1/4 of the population in NK is involved in the military

[unit]

I think that SK would be overjoyed to see NK be wiped off the map, as long as the nuclear fall out didn't spill over into their borders, which the US wouldn't allow to happen.
China has many reasons to preserve North Korea, so many its almost unpredictable what they would in the event of war. My knowledge of Asian politics is limited, but to my knowledge China doesn't have any other allies in the area if something happens. Let alone a fascist, communist country, so completely reliant on China's aid that they would do anything to protect it. Plus, the human rights violations committed in NK distract the world from anything China could possibly do wrong.

south koreans dont want to see north korean casualties.

[shawn79]

when north korea gets attacked and about to surrender, china will take over and north and south korea will no longer exist anymore. South korea will be known as Korea and north korea will be part of China millitary training ground.:troll:

[Culture_Vulture]

war strategists say america cant win a war with NK unless they go nuclear

i imagine the USA wouldnt do anything if NK did attack SK they may feel like they have to since its an affront to them (since they're stationed there) but they just cant afford it and the risks would be too great


And this is why North Korea as a regime is still problematic today: America's unwillingness to engage in conflict. Disregarding the potential of a "nuclear winter" in the face of an all out conflict, the cost of America's (and the West's) relative success to other parts of the world is their overwhelmingly shitty cost-tolerance.
This is why they done goofed in the Vietnam War (and to some extent, in the middle east) despite being superior in all aspects of its military and technology.

The reason why thinkers like Waltz have suggested that it was actually more peaceful throughout the Cold War than after the Cold War ended is because both America and the USSR had (at least, on the exterior) a high cost tolerance during that period.
We're not just talking about the overkill production of nuclear arms, we're talking about fighter jets that have never seen the inside of a hanger and the constant patrol of fighter jets, submarines carrying nuclear warheads and aircraft carriers on both American soil and out in international waters, 100% ready to fight to the bitter end, however undesirable a nuclear war may be.

When you have two states in conflict with a substantial difference in their cost tolerance, you end up with an rational egotist and a retarded bigot.

[darkfroggy]

Japan: We spend $47 billion on military.
China: Since when were you guys allowed to have a military?
Japan: :troll:

[Kamui712]

Meanwhile in Canada.... our "problems"...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N5C8Dmr7ALU/TCD-_ipGOVI/AAAAAAAABA4/q6cFw3QrYhU/s400/Bill+4+at+Fight+HST+rally+Sept+19-09

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/01/09/bc-090109-bc-place-retractable-roof-FULL.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/ipad-cp-8761013.jpg

http://unambig.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/vancouver_snow.jpg

[darkfroggy]

Meanwhile in Canada.... our "problems"...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N5C8Dmr7ALU/TCD-_ipGOVI/AAAAAAAABA4/q6cFw3QrYhU/s400/Bill+4+at+Fight+HST+rally+Sept+19-09

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/01/09/bc-090109-bc-place-retractable-roof-FULL.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/ipad-cp-8761013.jpg

http://unambig.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/vancouver_snow.jpg

Guy in the third pic is just asking to be punched.

God dammit, what a trollface. :troll:

[The_AK]

^+1 for life
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[BlacknJean]

ruports said that south korea strike first, they accidently shot one of the shell durinng practice game at the border into north korean territory. and nk was like wtf is this and sot back 200 shells. but south korea shot back 80 shells after .

btw i typed this when i was high as shit last night but the story is true though.a asouth korean told me he heard about this.

[BNR32_Coupe]

When you have two states in conflict with a substantial difference in their cost tolerance, you end up with an rational egotist and a retarded bigot.

good point on cost tolerance. by allocating a higher an enormous amount of resources to military spending, you reduce your financial capital which you can invest on employing more police officers, doctors, set up a public healthcare system, and the list goes on. that's totally valid logic, and i wholeheartedly agree.

i strangely get this feeling that there's a bandwagon of US military strength haters on this board. i can see the logic stemming from this group, i guess whenever the military mobilizes, tonnes of budget is allocated on tools of death, when in fact, they could be allocated to medical research, creating jobs, increase standards of living, etc.

but is allocating more resources to social security than national security feasible that feasible? consider the variables:

a) japan needs to expand
b) china wants to expand
c) enough terrorist groups in the world to form their own country
d) north korea actually has an international agenda (eg, google north korea syrian nuclear facility)
e) russia is becoming less western-friendly and more nationalist each year
f) tonnes of south african pirates would love to rain oil tankers
g) middle east is... a given, you can figure it out

that's a lot of potential beef. although we'd never know for sure, we can logically estimate the outcome of the following: in a hypothetical world, if america pulled out of kuwait in the 90's and sized its army down to nothing, how likely is it that all 7 of the above will remain peaceful?

you could argue that if china was in america's current position as the worlds military super power, nothing would be different. i havent read up on chinas foreign policy, but would you really want a capitalist country with huge gaps in society levels to be the worlds superpower? what about a country with this thing called the first amendment, which if they upheld at least half the things on it, we'd be alright.

anyways, im sure you can already agree that the US, with its first amendment, is the most ideal country (than any of the above list) to lead the world as the greatest military force. and you'd have to be a totally far left hippy to think that the worlds a nice place, we can all shake on new unifying policies. even if you doubt that the first amendment serves any purpose, you gotta admit, at least the US is trying to seem like a free country.

lastly, to all those that had a rebuttal ready at the halfway point of this post, just pretend you're the leader of a country with problems (population density, lack of resources, climate sucks, you're getting pushed into a corner by an opposing country). now lets develop a criteria list of ideal characteristics of a place to expand in:

huge coast line
good climate
plenty of resources
far away from other countries
nice geographic terrain to build on

given the US had a (hypothetically) low-cost tolerance for their military, with the combination of a no-nukes policy, highly developed city infrastructures, meets all the criteria above, etc etc, then it would be retarded not to take advantage of this opportunity.

[Culture_Vulture]

I try to be objective as possible, but if anything, I'm pro US military dominance; I also see them as the most fit country, of all the economically qualified states, to be the world's leading military force. They're just going about it the wrong way.

There's a difference between "being" the world's greatest military force and actually BEING the world's greatest military force. Sadly, America's military isn't all that great after you consider it's technological factors.
America's (or any other EDCs, for that matter) prosperity and capitalist ideals create the social notion that the only way for people to have basic, petty material needs and a "minimal" standard of living, is through the systemic, but peaceful oppression of lesser countries like Peru or Mexico.
This is why the United States have had so many conflicts with Japan, and increasingly China's, economic status: the Americans DON'T want to engage in a military conflict with China, and they WON'T get any public support for a war. For China, it's a simple matter of pulling some strings and spreading some elitist nationalist propaganda.
So when challenged with a third world country like North Korea who doesn't take any shit from a self-boasting country like America, all American riches and advanced weaponry become part of an intricate paper tiger scheme.
What does a death account for America? If ten coffins filled with dead American soldiers killed in the front lines of battle get media coverage in the United States, public support for the war drops drastically and the politicians get their asses fried by the public. That's ten soldiers. More people than that die on a DAILY basis from famine and diseases in Vietnam or North Korea.

So really, America's brand image courtesy of its capitalist society doesn't really cut it in terms of practical intentions.

[JD¹³]

war strategists say america cant win a war with NK unless they go nuclear
Total BS IMHO. There are both aerial and ground forces within the US military alone that could cripple the North Koreans before they knew what hit them - it's just not politically correct to do so. If everyone (including China) wanted the conflict on the Korean peninsula to end it could be done overnight with simultaneous strategic strikes to take out key equipment and personnel.

The North Koreans have 1960's military technology, absolutely no match for a modern military in every sense.

[Alphamale]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11871641

Mr Chun said the Chinese officials "were ready to 'face the new reality' that the DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of Korea] now had little value to China as a buffer state - a view that since North Korea's 2006 nuclear test had reportedly gained traction among senior PRC [People's Republic of China] leaders."

"Chun argued that in the event of a North Korean collapse, China would clearly 'not welcome' any US military presence north of the DMZ [Demilitarised Zone]," the ambassador's message said.

"The PRC would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the United States in a 'benign alliance' - as long as Korea was not hostile towards China," it added.

[SkinnyPupp]

That sounds like a "go for it" to me!

[Ch28]

That sounds like a "go for it" to me!

It's open season on North Korea!

[The_AK]

this should be interesting