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"Beefing up sentencing" ain't gonna do nothing but drive the price up and make it more profitable for all the people not getting caught. It's also gonna send more people to jail for longer periods of time. Thus spending more of tax payers money and clogging up courts.
You want to eliminate the money going into Organized crime? LEGALIZE, REGULATE, and TAX it
It's time for Canada to set the stage for the rest of the world, and actually land a heavy blow to organized crime.
The government would make millions in tax revenues, that could be put to things like Elementary Schools, and healthcare.
Your average consenting adult, would not have to face having a criminal record for consuming a plant, that hurts nobody. That's been here for thousands of years. That has hundreds of uses for medicinal, textile and food industries. That is proven to be a thousand times safer than tobacco and alcohol, two commodities that are legal.
The police and courts would be freed of all the non-violent drug offenders, and would absolutely have the time and resources to battle more serious crimes.
There are armed robbers, sexual predators, and other felons walking around the streets, when they should be in jail. But the cops are busy hassling a bunch of potheads, or busting grow operations all over a naturally occurring plant.
Its the year 2010, and time to revise our laws to work best to protect and honor the people in todays society. Implementing this strategy is a no brainer.
Unfortunately our leaders don't work for us, and the masses will believe anything they're told.
Also not mentioning the anti-tumor effects THC has when ingested. Could you imagine the hundreds of millions of dollars the Big Pharmaceutical companies would stand to lose if citizens had the knowledge and were able to cure themselves? Instead of filling out their prescriptions for poisons every few weeks? Or making massive payments for Chemotherapy? Which by the way has statistically, killed more people then saved.
Canada will not legalize it because of our neighbor country THE US.. Now think about it if we legalized it the states would have sucha big drug trafficking problem and just so much crime related issues due to our legalization. With that in mind if somehow the US legalized it then MEXICO would have even more problems and thats just the bottom of the barrel.
Cant just say hey legalize it and it will solve all problems..ALL PARTIES have to be PRO for this to make it somehow work otherwise it wont.
Overall tho at the rate this is going world wide, one day pot will be legal its just a matter of time. Sooner or later it will be like alcohol which is accepted now for being the normal " Drug " of choice.
Legalizing marijuana will still create problems, if not bigger. Mexican cartels are using marijuana as a counter trade with other gangs. Heroin, Cocaine, and etc are given in exchange of marijuana, but if the cartel lose their connection, what will happen? Simple, every gang and cartels will start pushing the harder drugs. Another downside to legalizing marijuana is how the government will react. The global economic will completely change, the government will obviously heavily tax this, making it an inelastic item such as tobacco and alcohol. Quality would certainly drop and i would be pissed :@, another thing is how the public will react to this. If people see marijuana as a legalized plant, they might think "fuck this bullshit, im into being in the scene, and doing something legal is not cool, imma do ecstasy, or cocaine". One must think about how this will be enforced with laws, more people will be high while at school, in the streets, and etc. If you meant to DECRIMINALIZE marijuana, im for it. Legalizing it will be too much of a fuss, theres more reasons to why it wouldnt work/why would work, just pmsg me, i wrote an essay on it in grade 9, grammar is pretty bad but w.e
In the USA, recreational use was finally put to the polls (Prop 19) but got shot down... but not by a landslide! (53.6% NO / 46.4% YES)
Only a matter of time, laws this absolutely ridiculous can't last.
LEGALIZE IT!
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Legalizing marijuana will still create problems, if not bigger. Mexican cartels are using marijuana as a counter trade with other gangs. Heroin, Cocaine, and etc are given in exchange of marijuana, but if the cartel lose their connection, what will happen? Simple, every gang and cartels will start pushing the harder drugs. Another downside to legalizing marijuana is how the government will react. The global economic will completely change, the government will obviously heavily tax this, making it an inelastic item such as tobacco and alcohol. Quality would certainly drop and i would be pissed :@, another thing is how the public will react to this. If people see marijuana as a legalized plant, they might think "fuck this bullshit, im into being in the scene, and doing something legal is not cool, imma do ecstasy, or cocaine". One must think about how this will be enforced with laws, more people will be high while at school, in the streets, and etc. If you meant to DECRIMINALIZE marijuana, im for it. Legalizing it will be too much of a fuss, theres more reasons to why it wouldnt work/why would work, just pmsg me, i wrote an essay on it in grade 9, grammar is pretty bad but w.e
What a load of rubbish. Even with hefty taxes, the price would be lower and the quality higher as well as far more consistent.
The public perception and social aspects aren't about to change with the law either, I doubt there'll be many more people smoking it than there is already, or escalating to harder drugs. Maybe people won't get pushed into something harder when they don't have to go to a drug dealer for weed.
How would it possibly be harder to enforce? Isn't enforcement right now already a huge expensive failure? It's illegal right now and everyone is smoking it!
Public intoxication, driving under the influence, etc are already illegal and unacceptable. There'd be no real change there. Is it OK to drink alcohol on the job, and while at school? I can't believe people buy into that scare tactic.
You may want to note that Portugal decriminalized ALL drugs way back in 2001. OMG surprise, the world didn't come to an end.
The law decriminalized the use, possession and acquisition of all types of illicit substances for personal use, defined as being up to ten days supply of that substance.
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If at first you don't succeed...quit and grow weed!
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We must ask ourselves, how would legalization hurt people? The first concern of the anti-drug advocate is lost productivity in the workplace. This is unfortunately true, as some people will abuse this new freedom. The workplace is no place to be high. This leads to the cost of a system to test and make sure that no one works under the influence. The lack of motivation one often feels with marijuana use can slow down a workplace. A new type of drug test would need to determine how long ago a person was last under an influence.
Other casualties of legalization would be the tobacco and alcohol industries. With another mood-altering drug on the market, their profits would decrease. Addictive cigarettes keep the people coming back at an alarming rate. Cannabis would not. Alcohol would bear a much bigger loss than tobacco, simply because cannabis acts so much like alcohol, but with more pleasant mental effects and no hangover.
The final cost that would be incurred by the people would be their physical health. The smoking of any plant matter does damage to one’s lungs. The damage done by pot smoke is still less than that done by tobacco smoke. Nicotine hardens the arteries and increases blood pressure. THC does not.
A major concern with legalization is the operation of motor vehicles. No one should operate a motor vehicle under the influence of anything. Currently, alcohol is the biggest factor in highway accidents and fatalities. Pot and other drugs account for only about 8% of these accidents. With wider availability, this number could rise.
If people see marijuana as a legalized plant, they might think "fuck this bullshit, im into being in the scene, and doing something legal is not cool, imma do ecstasy, or cocaine".
Right, because so many people smoke weed just to rebel.
So take that away and they'll magically think the next logical step is to move on to "harder" drugs. Right?
Blah blah blah, some bs about weed being a gateway drug.
Do you know how overused "snowball effect" is?
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Legalizing it will be too much of a fuss, theres more reasons to why it wouldnt work/why would work, just pmsg me, i wrote an essay on it in grade 9, grammar is pretty bad but w.e
Don't kid yourself. Just because you wrote one essay in highschool doesn't make you an expert. People a lot smarter than you have been researching the pros and cons of legalization marijuana much longer than you have.
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organge7 has spoken, and we have done the opposite. yay!
I wonder what effect decriminalizing it would have on people in prison for drug related charges. Would they be free'd or would they have to sit out their sentence since what they did was a "crime" at the time?
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I'm not sure if this is the case in Canada, but in the US, a lot of police departments would actually suffer from legalizing marijuana. Depts apply for federal grants, and these grants are actually what help keep the dept. afloat. Without it, many depts. would struggle with a deficit in operational funds.
Right, because so many people smoke weed just to rebel.
So take that away and they'll magically think the next logical step is to move on to "harder" drugs. Right?
Blah blah blah, some bs about weed being a gateway drug.
Do you know how overused "snowball effect" is?
i've watched a lot of videos about druggies and talked to a lot of people in my life (personally "inhaled" as obama would put it) but i never known anyone that jumped straight to cocaine or ecstacy without trying weed first. i also known people that started off completely clean, being anti-hard drug, but thinking weed is okay. after trying weed, they had an open-mind about harder drugs, saying things like "it depends on your personality". years later i find out that person comes out of a huge drug problem
marijuana definitely doesnt ruin the majority of peoples lives, but scratching it off as a gateway drug is just belligerent
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i've watched a lot of videos about druggies and talked to a lot of people in my life (personally "inhaled" as obama would put it) but i never known anyone that jumped straight to cocaine or ecstacy without trying weed first. i also known people that started off completely clean, being anti-hard drug, but thinking weed is okay. after trying weed, they had an open-mind about harder drugs, saying things like "it depends on your personality". years later i find out that person comes out of a huge drug problem
marijuana definitely doesnt ruin the majority of peoples lives, but scratching it off as a gateway drug is just belligerent
And I bet all those people who tried cocaine also watched television. HOLY CRAP?! TV IS A GATEWAY DRUG!
Legalizing marijuana will still create problems, if not bigger. Mexican cartels are using marijuana as a counter trade with other gangs. Heroin, Cocaine, and etc are given in exchange of marijuana, but if the cartel lose their connection, what will happen? Simple, every gang and cartels will start pushing the harder drugs. Another downside to legalizing marijuana is how the government will react. The global economic will completely change, the government will obviously heavily tax this, making it an inelastic item such as tobacco and alcohol. Quality would certainly drop and i would be pissed :@, another thing is how the public will react to this. If people see marijuana as a legalized plant, they might think "fuck this bullshit, im into being in the scene, and doing something legal is not cool, imma do ecstasy, or cocaine". One must think about how this will be enforced with laws, more people will be high while at school, in the streets, and etc. If you meant to DECRIMINALIZE marijuana, im for it. Legalizing it will be too much of a fuss, theres more reasons to why it wouldnt work/why would work, just pmsg me, i wrote an essay on it in grade 9, grammar is pretty bad but w.e
Uh your reading it wrong. If pot was legalized there wouldn't be as many of those tunnels and the cartels would lose a big chunk of income thus weakening them.
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U pretty much answered ur own question.
Mexico has a really big problem with drug related crimes. Have you heard of Mexico's Drug War?
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