[MG1]

So, he's going to do something now?

Typical. Nothing happens until an official is threatened. It's like our justice system. Nothing will happen until a judge's family is killed, raped, and tortured.

[BinsentoW]

What did you do to him!

More details?

[fliptuner]

What happened? Did a girl try to kiss him?

[-EuroRSN-]

:Orly:

[MG1]

Was on the news today. Saturday's shooting was one block away from where he lives. He was scared for his family and couldn't believe something like this would happen. His neighbourhood was under siege, LOL.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/news/2010/12/13/mayor-robertson-outraged-weekend-gang-shooting


Uh, the rest of us deal with this shit all the time, buddy. You hear about shootings at Metrotown, DTES, etc. Now that it was so close to home, he's going to make sure this kind of stuff doesn't happen.

I blame it on bike lanes.

[GLOW]

my lack of respect for this monkey has reached an all new low

[EmperorIS]

should've spent those millions of dollars on youth rehabilitations then faggot bike lanes huh

[keifun]

damn bike lanes..

[Gnomes]

For the love of god, stop the madness! Stop bike lanes!

[tonyzoomzoom]

he needs to build bike lanes in his neighbourhood, so the gangstas in their cars can't get there

[ruthless]

they put up bike lanes and signs in surrey(newton) too wtf

[Ch28]

Maybe that piece of shit asshole should have spent all the wasted money from the bike lanes on resources to fight organized crime.

[MindBomber]

Some of us may not agree with all of Gregor Robinson's policies, but doesn't change the fact that he's a parent, spouse and human. Although shootings are sadly becoming a reality in Vancouver, this is the greatest escalation of violence to date, four more victims than the Surrey six killings, not a relatively simple incident with one victim.

I can say with confidence that every single member on this website would be scared for your family if ten people were shot a block from their home. Judging the Mayor on his policies is fine, but this is just childish.. I expect to get failed, but I felt I needed to voice my opinion.

[Inaii]

The point isn't that he's afraid, it's that he's only doing something NOW because his family was located near a shooting. He should have dealt with this a LONG time ago.

[Shun Izaki]

son of a bitch! SINKHOLLLEEEEEE

[MindBomber]

Maybe my perspective is different since I live in the Langley, but since the peak in violence where shootings were happening daily things have gotten significantly better. Its not a problem that can be solved overnight, just because it doesn't seem like things have improved dramatically doesn't mean things aren't being done. For example, I often see VPD and APD gang task force officers working together.


The point isn't that he's afraid, it's that he's only doing something NOW because his family was located near a shooting. He should have dealt with this a LONG time ago.

[Ch28]

Some of us may not agree with all of Gregor Robinson's policies, but doesn't change the fact that he's a parent, spouse and human. Although shootings are sadly becoming a reality in Vancouver, this is the greatest escalation of violence to date, four more victims than the Surrey six killings, not a relatively simple incident with one victim.

I can say with confidence that every single member on this website would be scared for your family if ten people were shot a block from their home. Judging the Mayor on his policies is fine, but this is just childish.. I expect to get failed, but I felt I needed to voice my opinion.

The asshole should have done something a long time ago!

Instead he only chooses to "step up" now because his family lives a block away. A little fucking selfish don't you think?

[Lomac]

Some of us may not agree with all of Gregor Robinson's policies, but doesn't change the fact that he's a parent, spouse and human. Although shootings are sadly becoming a reality in Vancouver, this is the greatest escalation of violence to date, four more victims than the Surrey six killings, not a relatively simple incident with one victim.

I can say with confidence that every single member on this website would be scared for your family if ten people were shot a block from their home. Judging the Mayor on his policies is fine, but this is just childish.. I expect to get failed, but I felt I needed to voice my opinion.

Of course you're going to feel protective after the fact. However, I think the point that is trying to be made is that many politicians only have a knee jerk reaction because something has finally happened to them instead of only hearing about it on the news or as part of their morning brief. It's like when Kevin Falcon was stuck in traffic when they shut down the Second Narrows to talk a suicide jumper down... he only became outraged and demanded that more be done simply because he was stuck in that traffic. Where were his demands during all the other times bridges have been shut down under similar circumstances?

[GabAlmighty]

Fuck that, fix the sinkhole first.

[MG1]

Fuck that, fix the sinkhole first.

Bwahahahaha............

I guess for people who take that route it's a real inconvenience.

I was listening to Virgin Radio this afternoon. They were asking people to call in with suggestions for a name for the sinkhole. I called in and suggested calling it "The Surrey Hole." They laughed but said they needed something they could use on the radio. I don't know........ the hole is fricken big and it reminded me of a Surrey Hoe, LOL.

My apologies to Surrey residents............. Hee hee

[deep87]

Its not a problem that can be solved overnight, ...

from his actions it seems the mayor sure seems to think so.

If your the mayor of a city which has constant shootings/gang related activity. It really shouldnt take 10 wounded 1 block away from you for you to realize more needs to be done.

The upside to all this is no innocent were killed inorder for this issue to finally get the attention it deserves.

[carisear]

from his actions it seems the mayor sure seems to think so.


this mayor has a MASSIVE god-complex ego -- he also said he will solve homelessness in vancouver. now it seems he thinks he can stop all gang activity/shootings.

sigh i can't believe he *STILL* has a decently high popular rating. ARGH

[asian_speedster]

Not having the bike lanes would not have stopped the shootings.

And for most of 2010 high profile gang violence such as shootings has, in general, been down so was there really a need for action since things seemed to be improving?

Gregor's call to action is one of concern for his family, but also of public interest. People are concerned about gang shootings, so he should react. So this can only mean things can get better right?

[El Bastardo]

Sorry guys. We need to shorten this thread to put a bike lane in

[Matsuda]

http://pricetags.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/hornby.jpg

[GabAlmighty]

Those bike lanes look perfect for a pocket pike... Just sayin.

[rymack]

So, he's going to do something now?

Typical. Nothing happens until an official is threatened. It's like our justice system. Nothing will happen until a judge's family is killed, raped, and tortured.

Judges don't set the laws. If you want stiffer sentences do something to have the laws changed.

[darkfroggy]

Judges don't set the laws. If you want stiffer sentences do something to have the laws changed.

Judges can change laws and throw out bad ones.

For example, judges usually sentence criminals for less than the maximum penalties. So it's not really an issue of "lenient penalties", more to do with lenient judges.

Whether this leniency is warranted is debatable. Remember that judges could easily sentence someone for 10 years just to appease public sentiment. But they don't, and I'm sure they have good reasons for it.

[CP.AR]

Join the fight against redundant bike lanes.
It's not just a problem, it's everyone's problem

FAMILIES OPPOSED to BIKE LANES

Jokes aside, seriously those bike lanes are just WTF. unless bikes have to carry license plates, they don't deserve their own fucking lane.

[goo3]

I'm happy East Van's extended out to Oak St.

[GodZilla]

The asshole should have done something a long time ago!

Instead he only chooses to "step up" now because his family lives a block away. A little fucking selfish don't you think?
Ch28 said what I was thinking. Did he ever meet with the mayors of Delta, Surrey, Burnaby and say hey this is getting out of hand what can we do as a group? No he only phoned because he couldnt hear Joe Rogan say "get outta there Chris Cringle & FU Koz" during the beat down by GSP. ;)

[StylinRed]

well he'll be the first Vancouver Mayor to want to do something about Crime in a long time

[SumAznGuy]

Gregor's call to action is one of concern for his family, but also of public interest. People are concerned about gang shootings, so he should react. So this can only mean things can get better right?

And could this be, a chance for him to make himself look good as he tries to run for the leadership role in the provincial NDP? Could it be something for his own personal political career? The shoot was on Oak and 22. He lives a block away.
There are 2 asian rub and tubs on the corner of Oak and King ed, which at most is 4 blocks from his place. Shouldn't he be concerned about this? Oh wait, it hasn't hit the news yet so there is no need to take any action.

Maybe I am old and cynical, but he hasn't done anything to impress me much, and the fact that he only steps up onto the soap box after a shooting that happens a block away from his place at 2 am makes me wonder about his agenda.

[Soundy]

this mayor has a MASSIVE god-complex ego -- he also said he will solve homelessness in vancouver. now it seems he thinks he can stop all gang activity/shootings.
Two solutions for the sinkhole:

Put a tarp over it and turn it into a homeless shelter.

Fill it up with gangsters' bodies.

[gdoh]

http://pricetags.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/hornby.jpg

i walk up that street everyday and never see more than 10 people on bikes in that lane fuckin waste of money

[StylinRed]

And could this be, a chance for him to make himself look good as he tries to run for the leadership role in the provincial NDP? Could it be something for his own personal political career? The shoot was on Oak and 22. He lives a block away.
There are 2 asian rub and tubs on the corner of Oak and King ed, which at most is 4 blocks from his place. Shouldn't he be concerned about this? Oh wait, it hasn't hit the news yet so there is no need to take any action.

Maybe I am old and cynical, but he hasn't done anything to impress me much, and the fact that he only steps up onto the soap box after a shooting that happens a block away from his place at 2 am makes me wonder about his agenda.

a block isn't far.... and he was one of the first 911 callers supposedly

again, at least he's the first mayor since i can remember that wants to crack down on crime its not like it wasn't a concern before im sure "crime" is a concern for everyone in politics but you wont hear normally hear a call to actio

[sonick]

Not having the bike lanes would not have stopped the shootings.

:facepalm:

[Gridlock]

Some of us may not agree with all of Gregor Robinson's policies, but doesn't change the fact that he's a parent, spouse and human. Although shootings are sadly becoming a reality in Vancouver, this is the greatest escalation of violence to date, four more victims than the Surrey six killings, not a relatively simple incident with one victim.

I can say with confidence that every single member on this website would be scared for your family if ten people were shot a block from their home. Judging the Mayor on his policies is fine, but this is just childish.. I expect to get failed, but I felt I needed to voice my opinion.

I can't say that 10 people were shot, but we had a shooting 2 blocks away from where we live. The October shooting in New West.

Gregor...everyone feels that way, and its not your neighborhood under seige, its the entire city. Everyone before looked at where the shootings were and said if I stay away from Whalley, and from DTES we should be fine, but unfortunately the targets look like us, and live in our neighborhoods.

[winson604]

i walk up that street everyday and never see more than 10 people on bikes in that lane fuckin waste of money

Werd, I drive down Dunsmuir from the viaduct 5 times a week at various times of the day. During rush hour, afternoon, night, whenever and I rarely see people on the lane it really pisses me off.

[InvisibleSoul]

Although shootings are sadly becoming a reality in Vancouver, this is the greatest escalation of violence to date, four more victims than the Surrey six killings, not a relatively simple incident with one victim.
But six dead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ten injured

[sulos]

Fuck that, fix the sinkhole first.

Screw that, leave the sink hole and have a bike lane run through it.
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[MG1]

Screw that, leave the sink hole and have a bike lane run through it.
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Like put a cover over the hole and let the bikers fall into the hole to North Korea, LOLOLOL. Now that, I would like to see. After one month, there will be no bikers left in Vancouver, because tens of thousnads of bikers use those lanes on a daily basis.

[MindBomber]

But six dead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ten injured

I see your point but... the shooters intent was to kill 10 people, not to injure 10.

[Greenstoner]

MayorGregor

calling for more fed/prov $ into gang task force to help vpd and metro cities proactively fight gangs in bc
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck

[Greenstoner]

i just did a quick email to him saying if he was smart he wouldnt spend money on the useless bike lanes rather saving couple of lives by putting fund in the gang task force


a little content in my email :troll:

Dear Mayor Greg, just deal with it like us dealing with your uselss bike lanes on the daily basis. (lol that was my first sentense, he prob wont read it but who cares )



his email:

gregor.robertson@vancouver.ca <gregor.robertson@vancouver.ca>

[Ronin]

I'm glad I don't live in Vancouver...the whole bike lane thing would just piss me off.

[drunkrussian]

ur all fulla shit. if my family was threatened i would secure the shit outta my own backyard too. fuck u guys. but more importantly fuck bike lanes. i hope the shooters used bikes to safely and slowly flee the scene so that he outlaws bike lanes and bikes and cyclists lol
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[midnight_r]

what do you expect, Robertson is a total puss*. He would rather "expand" bitch-ass bike lanes and upgrading his park around his house... He isnt going to do anything about it. He supposely did not even attend Anti-Gang city hearing. He is probably the KingPin!



ok I gotta say this but : come on.. who the F#$ needs those bike lanes.. Pisses me off so much .. and bikers dont give a sh** anyways; they ride everywhere

[MindBomber]

Drug Money=Gang Violence
If pot were made legal in British Columbia it would drop significantly in value and devastate the gangsters' source of income, so why aren't incidents like this stimulating the debate for legalization?

[Culverin]

Existence of bike only lanes on the street isn't too bad, especially during non-rush hour, I don't mind.
Traffic pattern changes of "no right turns" screws with traffic, esp when people are ignoring it anyways.
People are angry at bikers now, totally not encouraging them to get on a bike themselves.
The problem is that they built it on Dunsmuir, a major in-road into downtown.

And yes, all those combined, the money that could have been spent on this, could have been used to "accidentally" shoot those people that are "known to police"


Honestly, I'm really sick of hearing that term. Those people just don't belong in society anymore.
Although I do not condone capital punishment, I wouldn't mind if we just "exiled" people to an island.

Let's say, off the coast of BC. Let them grow their own food and stuff. Not like prison where we pay for them. They can swim across the ocean if they want, they just won't be allowed back into normal Canadian society.
*sigh* what a pipe dream.

[SumAznGuy]

Drug Money=Gang Violence
If pot were made legal in British Columbia it would drop significantly in value and devastate the gangsters' source of income, so why aren't incidents like this stimulating the debate for legalization?

Think globally. Only a small portion of BC bud is consumed in BC. A big portion of it is shipped to other parts of Canada and to the US. One of the reason's Canada will not legalize it is that it is deemed illegal with Canada's biggest trading partnet, the US. It has been reported that marijuana trades at 1 to 1 for cocaine in Calif.

So, do you really want to legalize marijuana?

[Soundy]

Judges don't set the laws. If you want stiffer sentences do something to have the laws changed.

Judges can change laws and throw out bad ones.

Judges cannot CHANGE laws, nor can they throw them out.

They can set PRECEDENT, which subsequent cases usually call upon. Only legislators can actually CHANGE the laws.

[Death2Theft]

Hhahaha weed 1:1 with coke are you crazy?

[Vinny G]

How can weed ever be a 1:1 trade with cocaine? Cocaine not only costs more to produce and transport but carries maybe 100x more risk just by being in possession of it.

[MindBomber]

Think globally. Only a small portion of BC bud is consumed in BC. A big portion of it is shipped to other parts of Canada and to the US. One of the reason's Canada will not legalize it is that it is deemed illegal with Canada's biggest trading partnet, the US. It has been reported that marijuana trades at 1 to 1 for cocaine in Calif.

So, do you really want to legalize marijuana?

Well, I agree that only a small portion of marijuana produced in British Columbia is used within the province. I would agree though that a significant portion is shipped outside of the province. As for the US, many things illegal there are legal in Canada, and California almost legalized marijuana, so I don't think thats as significant an obstacle as is portrayed.

What would make a significant difference is the elimination of low level drug dealers involved with the local supply chain, and the new tax revenue that could be directed towards curving illegal marijuana production.

[SumAznGuy]

How can weed ever be a 1:1 trade with cocaine? Cocaine not only costs more to produce and transport but carries maybe 100x more risk just by being in possession of it.

Why is cocaine more risk to carry than weed?
In the US, both drugs are illigal and carry the same sentence.

Also, you can't compare weed to weed. BC weed is known for it's high THC whereas Mexican weed has low THC so a joint of that stuff doesn't get you as high as BC weed.

Perhaps not now, can't find any recent articles on it, but back a few years yes BC bud was trading at a pound for a pound of coke.

As for CAlifornia legalizing weed, it is legal for medicinal use. You need to be carded to be able to buy. Growers need to be approved and are limited to how much they can grow. There is only a small number of people who is actually legal to use marijuana.

[SumAznGuy]

What would make a significant difference is the elimination of low level drug dealers involved with the local supply chain, and the new tax revenue that could be directed towards curving illegal marijuana production.

This is basic economics. The minute the government taxes the "legal" bud, illigal undergrown bud demand grows as it will be cheaper than the "legal" product. Look at illegal/native cigarettes. They are not taxed thus are cheaper than a pack of smokes you buy at the store. I don't smoke, but I remember way back in high school, it was $3 for a pack of untaxed Dumarier's vs $6-7 for a pack at 7-11.

[Vinny G]

Why is cocaine more risk to carry than weed?
In the US, both drugs are illigal and carry the same sentence.

For starters, possession of a small amount of marijuana is a misdemeanor in California. I'm almost certain that someone carrying 50g of marijuana will get nowhere near the same sentence as someone carrying 50g of cocaine.

[penner2k]

They should just call up this dude to deal with the gang problem

http://n.i.uol.com.br/ultnot/album/20101123rio_f_164.jpg

[darkfroggy]

Judges cannot CHANGE laws, nor can they throw them out.

They can set PRECEDENT, which subsequent cases usually call upon. Only legislators can actually CHANGE the laws.

Yes they can. For example, if a law is ruled unconstitutional... it is immediately thrown out.

Legislators do set the laws, but it is the courts' job to interpret it. Interpretion is very broad and grants the judges great powers in determining a bill's wholesomeness.

[darkfroggy]

This is basic economics. The minute the government taxes the "legal" bud, illigal undergrown bud demand grows as it will be cheaper than the "legal" product. Look at illegal/native cigarettes. They are not taxed thus are cheaper than a pack of smokes you buy at the store. I don't smoke, but I remember way back in high school, it was $3 for a pack of untaxed Dumarier's vs $6-7 for a pack at 7-11.

Nono.

Basic economics. If you restrict the production and sale of cannabis, demand remains the same while supply goes DOWN. Thus, the price is RAISED because the same amount of people want it, but there's much less to go around.

If the production and sale of cannabis is allowed, supply goes up, QUANTITY demanded goes up but not demand (how much people want at a certain price). People do not "suddenly start" smoking marijuana because it's legal now. A lot of people smoke it regardless of its "illegal" status. Higher supply but same demand means that price is lowered.

TLDR version: Legalizing marijuana means the supply goes up, demand (not quantity demanded) stays the same, which means LOWER OVERALL PRICE.

[asahai69]

^ you forgot to add the part where the government would tax the hell out of legalized marijuana

[alpinestars]

Some of us may not agree with all of Gregor Robinson's policies, but doesn't change the fact that he's a parent, spouse and human. Although shootings are sadly becoming a reality in Vancouver, this is the greatest escalation of violence to date, four more victims than the Surrey six killings, not a relatively simple incident with one victim.

I can say with confidence that every single member on this website would be scared for your family if ten people were shot a block from their home. Judging the Mayor on his policies is fine, but this is just childish.. I expect to get failed, but I felt I needed to voice my opinion.

C c c c combo killer r r
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[GabAlmighty]

Perhaps not now, can't find any recent articles on it, but back a few years yes BC bud was trading at a pound for a pound of coke.


A pound of bud, last time I asked people about it was around $1300.

A quick run through Google tells me a Kilo (little over 2lbs) goes for 12k+

[MindBomber]

I like your post darkfroggy, it was very well written.

I would disagree with one point though, I believe the demand would increase for marijuana if there was a readily available legal source, although not to an extent that industry couldn't easily meet the supply and prices would increase. I rarely buy marijuana, because of the potential legal issues and I just don't like calling drug dealers; if I could buy it at the corner store I would likely smoke far more often. Also consider the marijuana tourism factor, legalized marijuana has made Amsterdam infamous around the world.

Nono.

Basic economics. If you restrict the production and sale of cannabis, demand remains the same while supply goes DOWN. Thus, the price is RAISED because the same amount of people want it, but there's much less to go around.

If the production and sale of cannabis is allowed, supply goes up, QUANTITY demanded goes up but not demand (how much people want at a certain price). People do not "suddenly start" smoking marijuana because it's legal now. A lot of people smoke it regardless of its "illegal" status. Higher supply but same demand means that price is lowered.

TLDR version: Legalizing marijuana means the supply goes up, demand (not quantity demanded) stays the same, which means LOWER OVERALL PRICE.

[sliq]

A pound of bud, last time I asked people about it was around $1300.

A quick run through Google tells me a Kilo (little over 2lbs) goes for 12k+

Pound of good weed goes for 20-2100

Kilo goes for 39-40k

[GabAlmighty]

Pound of good weed goes for 20-2100

Kilo goes for 39-40k

Thanks:thumbsup: Been a while since I asked around about that sort of stuff.

[goo3]

Yes they can. For example, if a law is ruled unconstitutional... it is immediately thrown out.

Legislators do set the laws, but it is the courts' job to interpret it. Interpretion is very broad and grants the judges great powers in determining a bill's wholesomeness.

when they rule it unconstitutional, they're saying it conflicts with a higher order law. They're not kings.. they're not writing or changing any laws.

[Soundy]

when they rule it unconstitutional, they're saying it conflicts with a higher order law. They're not kings.. they're not writing or changing any laws.

Correct - the judge cannot do away with the law. They can dismiss a VERDICT based on that law, IF they determine that the JUDGEMENT was unconstitutional.

[Death2Theft]

I guess you failed your economics class.
Your forgetting one critical factor. Do you think the natives are sitting around on the rez rolling cigs to sell to you for cheaper?
If the price of weed goes down it's going to hurt the illegal growers and they would have to expand a fuck ton just to make the same kinda money they are making now... and just incase you can't figure it out, let me spell it out for you... would make it alot less viable to the average home grown operation.
This is basic economics. The minute the government taxes the "legal" bud, illigal undergrown bud demand grows as it will be cheaper than the "legal" product. Look at illegal/native cigarettes. They are not taxed thus are cheaper than a pack of smokes you buy at the store. I don't smoke, but I remember way back in high school, it was $3 for a pack of untaxed Dumarier's vs $6-7 for a pack at 7-11.

[SumAznGuy]

The government taxes the shit out of legal cigarettes, hench why there is a market for illegal/untaxed smokes.
Same thing for weed. If it was legalized, don't you think the government will tax the fuck out of it which will drive the price up hence making it profitable again for them to sell the untaxed weed.

You want another example of this? Do you know why the food bank wants you to donate $$$ to them instead of can goods/food?

[Death2Theft]

Unless they tax it to the point of current street value(which would be stupid) any price decrease will hurt the lil grow ops. Thus putting all these little gangster wanabes outta business.
The government taxes the shit out of legal cigarettes, hench why there is a market for illegal/untaxed smokes.
Same thing for weed. If it was legalized, don't you think the government will tax the fuck out of it which will drive the price up hence making it profitable again for them to sell the untaxed weed.

You want another example of this? Do you know why the food bank wants you to donate $$$ to them instead of can goods/food?

[MindBomber]

The government taxes the shit out of legal cigarettes, hench why there is a market for illegal/untaxed smokes.
Same thing for weed. If it was legalized, don't you think the government will tax the fuck out of it which will drive the price up hence making it profitable again for them to sell the untaxed weed.

You want another example of this? Do you know why the food bank wants you to donate $$$ to them instead of can goods/food?

During prohibition production of illegal alcohol was rampant, highly profitable and a catalyst for gang violence; just like marijuana is now. Now, alcohol is taxed and retailed by the government, but you don't see gangs producing alcohol to sell for profit. I'm not saying people still produce illegal alcohol to sell, but its very very uncommon. I believe marijuana would follow the same pattern as alcohol, because it has much more in common with that than cigarettes.