[stewie]

couple guys i used to play lacrosse with have been trying to get me to do a stack of d-bol and deca...

ive read some shit about it...theres more good reviews then bad, but im just not to sure about this stuff...

so my question is, has anyone here ever done it before? from what they're telling me, its a 12 week cycle, pills for 6 weeks, then an injection a week or something for another 6 weeks. ive seen the results they had...and i can gurantee it works...they all went from aprox 180lbs to over 210lbs in the matter of a month almost.

so yeah, if anyone has done it, let me know, cause theres some things in depth id like to ask about it.


and yes i work out, minimum 3-4 times a week every week, im 6'0, 24 years old, 170lbs.

thanks in advance!

[aznorris]

my buddy stacked sus250, deca, dbol on his first cycle. Its alot for the first cycle but this is the ultimate bulking cycle. I hear guys gaining 20-40lbs off this.
do a 8 week cycle but up the dose a bit instead of a 12 week cycle.
anymore questions let me know :)

check out www.elitefitness.com lots of good info on that site regarding this topic

cheers

[cdizzle_996]

You dont really wanna do D-bol for much more than 6 weeks, as its pretty hard on your body. You will gain a lot of water weight with it, although it does make you much stronger. Personally I'd load a test with D-bol, have a good PCT and do a 12 week cycle.

[stewie]

i asked my buddys friend, hes done it, after listening to what he had to say about it...i think im not going to be trying this stuff hahaha

[BlacknJean]

sounds like barely legal roids

[racerman88]

I remember watching a documentary about steroids and the guy they followed said that after the first cycle if you stop, you will lose about half of the size. That was why he kept using steroids after. He didn't like the size loss

[hal0g0dv2]

shit

[hal0g0dv2]

couple guys i used to play lacrosse with have been trying to get me to do a stack of d-bol and deca...

ive read some shit about it...theres more good reviews then bad, but im just not to sure about this stuff...

so my question is, has anyone here ever done it before? from what they're telling me, its a 12 week cycle, pills for 6 weeks, then an injection a week or something for another 6 weeks. ive seen the results they had...and i can gurantee it works...they all went from aprox 180lbs to over 210lbs in the matter of a month almost.

so yeah, if anyone has done it, let me know, cause theres some things in depth id like to ask about it.


and yes i work out, minimum 3-4 times a week every week, im 6'0, 24 years old, 170lbs.

thanks in advance!

how long have u been working out? how much do u eat a day? what is your training like, hopefully u workout and have impressive numbers and are not trying to get big quick.
if you are a gym newb and have not gained some decent sized by eating right ( bulking and eating over 5000 calories a day ) you are probably going to kill your self. i have seen so many people in my gym try roids and failed hard, you have so much natural potential without roids.
i am not gonna judge you at all for taking roids but make sure u know what u r doing, first thing would be pills hehehehhe, but have fun

[yellowpower]

Whats a good site with trustworthy info about roids?/

[stewie]

how long have u been working out? how much do u eat a day? what is your training like, hopefully u workout and have impressive numbers and are not trying to get big quick.
if you are a gym newb and have not gained some decent sized by eating right ( bulking and eating over 5000 calories a day ) you are probably going to kill your self. i have seen so many people in my gym try roids and failed hard, you have so much natural potential without roids.
i am not gonna judge you at all for taking roids but make sure u know what u r doing, first thing would be pills hehehehhe, but have fun

dont worry, i wont be doing them!

ive been working out for over a year, and i eat like a pig. i have an extremely high metabolism..i can easily eat 5000 calories a day and not gain a single ounce of weight. as for the gym, i do increase in weights but my body size just dosnt get bigger...well...thats not true..its gotten a TINY bit bigger...but only i really notice it..

ah man...why couldnt halodrol 50 still be on the market hahaha, i had a buddy use that stuff and he went from meh to DAMN in no time!

[aznorris]

Whats a good site with trustworthy info about roids?/


www.elitefitness.com

LOTS of info on there.

[rJZx]

dont do roids for cosmetic purposes.

[hal0g0dv2]

t-nation

[hal0g0dv2]

dont worry, i wont be doing them!

ive been working out for over a year, and i eat like a pig. i have an extremely high metabolism..i can easily eat 5000 calories a day and not gain a single ounce of weight. as for the gym, i do increase in weights but my body size just dosnt get bigger...well...thats not true..its gotten a TINY bit bigger...but only i really notice it..

ah man...why couldnt halodrol 50 still be on the market hahaha, i had a buddy use that stuff and he went from meh to DAMN in no time!

well your doing something wrong if u r not growing

[!Yaminashi]

I know what I'm doing wrong..
NOT EATING ENOUGH
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[Nitrous5.0]

First of all don't do deca without a test and don't run dbol longer than 4 weeks
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[Nitrous5.0]

Your better off doing a 10-12 week of test cyp or enth at 500mg a week
Mon inject and thurs inject with front loading weeks 1-4 of dbol Ed
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[blkgsr]

is deca illegal?

my friend has a new vial and wants to get rid of it but posting up on craiglist might not be the best place lol

[Berzerker]

Your better off doing a 10-12 week of test cyp or enth at 500mg a week
Mon inject and thurs inject with front loading weeks 1-4 of dbol Ed
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Holy shit your alive on RS!!! Haven't seen you post in ages bro :)

Berz out.

[tiger2132]

my friend did a cycle of straight d-bol.
his strength went through the roof:) no joke
he did gain quite a bit of water weight but after i think he lost about 1/2 of the weight he put on

[Jordanl250]

does anyone know if those craigslist adds are legit? some look like police busts to me lol

[hal0g0dv2]

does anyone know if those craigslist adds are legit? some look like police busts to me lol

you should try and buy some then tell us

[strykn]

does anyone know if those craigslist adds are legit? some look like police busts to me lol

your a fucking idiot

[cho]

Lol at "your"
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[zoo]

Decca and d bol are a bad combo
ever heard of decca dick? well you will get it if you do this combo
never run d bols more then 4 weeks
if you do decca, you need to stack it with test
read forums on steriods.com, you will see that this stack is horrible
if i were you, id buy a 4 weeks supply of d bol and stack that with test, run the test for 12 weeks and have pct on hand and start it 21 days after your last injection
dont know what pct is then read up on the site i just provided
great site and awesome info
good luck

[stewie]

totally forgot about this thread.

i never did the deca + dbol, didnt like the idea of injecting myself...so instead i started off mild and tried anavar. its the most mildest steroid you can get and it comes in pill form...so its much easier for me...but after im done this cycle that will be it...ill just keep eating and taking protein and be at the gym almost everyday....steroids arnt for me

[Berzerker]

Why not? More details please if care to share?

Berz out.

[zoo]

Let me know if the anavar effects ur labido(sex drive)
i hear it can shut it down
keep us in the loop

[Meowjin]

no to the above.

[stewie]

Why not? More details please if care to share?

Berz out.

what i was trying to say didnt exactly come out the way i wanted it to!!!

i meant as for needle injections...i wont do those...i dont want to look super jacked...but i want to look better. so i will do more cycles of anavar!!

as for my sex drive...its just as good as its always been!!!

[ws6ta]

stop being a pussy and do some test cyp or enth if you are going to do steroids (yes taking anavar is taking steroids)

[stewie]

stop being a pussy and do some test cyp or enth if you are going to do steroids (yes taking anavar is taking steroids)

its not about being a pussy..well...sure, i dont like needles...call me a pussy if you will. but i dont want to be jacked like arnold swarchenegger...im a tall guy with a small body frame, so going from fit to jacked is not something i want...im in no rush to get big, and with anavar i can take my time and have slow but successful results.

[Berzerker]

If your going to do it... do it right IMO. Your taking roids because you want to get bigger. Your not going to turn into Arnie just because your injecting but you WILL reach whatever build you desire much faster than just Anavar alone. Plus injecting is way easier on the body (internally) than taking pills for a long time.

Berz out.

[BrRsn]

Have you noticed any side effects on anavar? I've heard of anavar nosebleeds + random pains ... how'd your first week go?

And as Berz said injecting is a lot easier on the body but with sufficient time off between cycles, and if you're not a heavy drinker, and as long as you keep your cycles relatively short, you'll be fine. How many MG/day are you doing, and how many weeks are you planning to run it for?

[Berzerker]

With orals it's best to ramp up then taper off. Gets the body used to digesting and dealing with the "medication" plus don't forget to fucking drink hella water. Like seriously 6L a day minimum.

I never experienced any side effects. Other than higher sex drive :) and some backne (back acne) but that went away with a few tanning sessions. The only time I ever "roid raged" is when I was drunk. Don't drink and juice lol.

Berz out.

[stewie]

after much consideration, and listening to my buddies tell me that they'll help me through it all...even though i said i'd never do it...i'm gonna try...

my buddys gonna set me up with deca + t400, he suggested to do it every 5 days, wich will last roughly 5 weeks? good or bad? or just stick to once a week?

and ive been reading up on t400 and it seems that everything i read about it has to do with pain after the injections for days on end??

any tips from current users as to what i can expect? example: instant strength increase within 24 hours? no drinking? eat like a pig to gain as much weight as i can?

[XplicitLuder]

good luck sir! show us some charts/examples of how you improved at the end of your cycle :P

[stewie]

good luck sir! show us some charts/examples of how you improved at the end of your cycle :P

ill take a before and after pic.

[benjaminhihi]

does steriods have a time limit like how long you'll be like this?

[strykn]

does steriods have a time limit like how long you'll be like this?

wish I could fail you...

[Jer3]

since noone answered my question in the workout thread, any opinions on running clen+t3 over 6 weeks with alternating weeks off of clen while keeping on t3?

[BrRsn]

since noone answered my question in the workout thread, any opinions on running clen+t3 over 6 weeks with alternating weeks off of clen while keeping on t3?

How much CLEN do you want to run, ie. how many MG/day or MG/week? I'm assuming you're going to buy it in a bottle, and measure with a syringe and ingest it?

[Jer3]

well im still tinkering with the idea. but thinking about this plan.

Day 1 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 4 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 6 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 8 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day 9 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day10 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day11 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day12 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day13 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day14 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day15 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day16 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day17 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day18 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day19 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day20 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day21 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day22 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day26 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day29 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day36 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day37 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg

Clen/T3 Cutting Cycle... (http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?137526-Clen-T3-Cutting-Cycle...#.Tlc5cqhSh8E)

[strykn]

^ u need to stack T3 with an anabolic or u will lose so much muscle u will cry

[Jer3]

^ u need to stack T3 with an anabolic or u will lose so much muscle u will cry

:okay: dont really want to touch anything other than those two or anavar. i guess ill just keep with the ec stacks the old fashioned way.

[hal0g0dv2]

people that are asking questions and have no idea what they are doing, they are the ones that give steroids a bad name, my buddies that run test/deca and some other gear, they have everything down to the t and crossing there i's, you cant be not focused or not committed while on gear, in fact you have to work even harder then you normally would, lots of people that say you do not keep your gains when they come off or your balls shrink or they get crazy side effects, talked to the wrong person about there pct. My buddies pct's are more complex then there cycle and cost more then there cycle, lots of people do not want to fork out a pct, but then 2 months later there fucking small, all my buddies have kept there size and then some. Steroids are not super pump or your other supplement that you can just take it and leave it. This stuff is the real deal and you need to be fully committed or else you will fuck up and fuck yourself up. There is so much stuff to read about on gear, and so on.

[hal0g0dv2]

after much consideration, and listening to my buddies tell me that they'll help me through it all...even though i said i'd never do it...i'm gonna try...

my buddys gonna set me up with deca + t400, he suggested to do it every 5 days, wich will last roughly 5 weeks? good or bad? or just stick to once a week?

and ive been reading up on t400 and it seems that everything i read about it has to do with pain after the injections for days on end??

any tips from current users as to what i can expect? example: instant strength increase within 24 hours? no drinking? eat like a pig to gain as much weight as i can?

when injecting it takes about 2-3 weeks for the gear to be fully in your system, that is why people front load with d bol so it helps fasten the cycle, pills are hard on the body and you have to watch out what you get, there is so much garbage out there that they pass off for anything. there is lots of pain when injecting for the first bit , my buddies do the upper quad they have low body fat there so it slides in, just make sure u know about all the little things when injecting, diff pins for taking stuff out and switching pin when injecting, the last thing you want is a infection

[hal0g0dv2]

does steriods have a time limit like how long you'll be like this?

you will be Ronnie Coleman for ever

[stewie]

well...did my first injection today...

heres hoping for the best!!!

[areyez]

any updates^?

[stewie]

its only been like 2 weeks :p


gimme a month and ill post up a before and after pic

--edit--

heres a before pic:

day 1 i took this, 6'0 170lbs...

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9646/day1e.jpg

[hal0g0dv2]

its only been like 2 weeks :p


gimme a month and ill post up a before and after pic

--edit--

heres a before pic:

day 1 i took this, 6'0 170lbs...

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9646/day1e.jpg

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[cruz-in]

ive had my fare share of "gear" and i can tell you, your right.

its the people that abuse the shit/get side effects or dotn follow a proper pct that toally give it a bad name.

with proper care, watching everything and following instructions , i was able to go from 145 lbs at 5"11 to 238 lbs 5"11 at peak( over a few years ). I was a monster and i loved it. BUT, coming from a smaller frame, i quickly realized that my body wasnt used to the amount of weight. So i lost weight and im currently hovering around 212. :(

NO REGRETS.



I learned alot of what my body can and cannot handle . I knew my my limit , and i admit there were times when i wanted to pass the limit and do more at a time or longer. Thank goodness i didnt. Otherwise i could have devoloped an addiction and that could have almost killed me.




people that are asking questions and have no idea what they are doing, they are the ones that give steroids a bad name, my buddies that run test/deca and some other gear, they have everything down to the t and crossing there i's, you cant be not focused or not committed while on gear, in fact you have to work even harder then you normally would, lots of people that say you do not keep your gains when they come off or your balls shrink or they get crazy side effects, talked to the wrong person about there pct. My buddies pct's are more complex then there cycle and cost more then there cycle, lots of people do not want to fork out a pct, but then 2 months later there fucking small, all my buddies have kept there size and then some. Steroids are not super pump or your other supplement that you can just take it and leave it. This stuff is the real deal and you need to be fully committed or else you will fuck up and fuck yourself up. There is so much stuff to read about on gear, and so on.

[cruz-in]

im just glad i still have tree trunk legs and decently sized calves :)

[stewie]

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whats the confusion? its a picture of me from day 1 when i did my first injection, ill post more pictures as i progress!

[BlackV62K2]

How long have u been lifting before deciding to go on gear?
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[stewie]

How long have u been lifting before deciding to go on gear?
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2 years....my body frame just wont put on size

[cruz-in]

are you really active? besides lacrose?

[stewie]

are you really active? besides lacrose?

yes, extremely active, my 8 hours at work is spent all on my feet doing heavy manual labour.

[hal0g0dv2]

have your tried eating/bulking
everyone can put on size

[stewie]

have your tried eating/bulking
everyone can put on size

yup i have tried, at most i gaied 10lbs wich i lost immediatly after i stopped due to working :(

[dlo]

yup i have tried, at most i gaied 10lbs wich i lost immediatly after i stopped due to working :(

no shit u lose it if you stop lol... keep going and ull maintain it

[Alar]

update OP?

I feel like you could've made some good natural gains before dropping the money on the gear, but everyone has their own backgrounds. What have you set up for your PCT? Taking any other supplements?

Would like to see some more pictures.

[Meowjin]

lol @ this thread.

This thread needs to close cause theres so much bad information that some 115 16 year old is gonna read it and do roids.

First of all your wasting your fucking money if you are doing just anavar. right now I had a friend run anavar tren and prop. That is a proper cycle. he lost 50 pounds in 2 months. please get your information right before posting that "anavar is the safest roid and I don't wanna harm my body any more"

It's the same mindset as if you find a wallet and there is 100 dollars in it and you only take 20. It's still stealing! You are still taking steroids.

[stewie]

lol @ this thread.

This thread needs to close cause theres so much bad information that some 115 16 year old is gonna read it and do roids.

First of all your wasting your fucking money if you are doing just anavar. right now I had a friend run anavar tren and prop. That is a proper cycle. he lost 50 pounds in 2 months. please get your information right before posting that "anavar is the safest roid and I don't wanna harm my body any more"

It's the same mindset as if you find a wallet and there is 100 dollars in it and you only take 20. It's still stealing! You are still taking steroids.

if this thread needs to be closed to due bad information, 50% of the threads on this forum need to be closed...if theres bad information that you see, post something to contribute to set it right that way if some 115 pound 16 year old does read it he'll at least be able to see examples of what not to do.

[hal0g0dv2]

its not that it needs to be closed,
looking at your build it blows my mind why you would take gear, yeah its your body w/e but you would get the same results with eating normally and training hard. you look like you have not trained or put time into training. Roids are your ace card when you are ready to take them.
just my 2 cents, since i use to be 180 skinny fuck and bulked up at close 300 pounds without gear.

[hal0g0dv2]

update OP?

I feel like you could've made some good natural gains before dropping the money on the gear, but everyone has their own backgrounds. What have you set up for your PCT? Taking any other supplements?

Would like to see some more pictures.

lol pct come on
dont you just go off and piss your gains and stop working out, i thought that is what everyone in my gym does

[stewie]

its not that it needs to be closed,
looking at your build it blows my mind why you would take gear, yeah its your body w/e but you would get the same results with eating normally and training hard. you look like you have not trained or put time into training. Roids are your ace card when you are ready to take them.
just my 2 cents, since i use to be 180 skinny fuck and bulked up at close 300 pounds without gear.

thats the thing though, I went/still do go to the gym 5 days a week, and i eat...LOTS, but while im working, im moving around so much and im not able to stop and eat...while im at home, i have the same set schedule mon-fri basically, wake up - eat - work - come home - eat - gym - eat - bed.

oh well though, ive put on 10+ pounds this past month, hittin the gym hard daily, eating tons, getting good night sleeps in, its as if my metabolism isnt fucking me over for once hahaha

[Alar]

lol pct come on
dont you just go off and piss your gains and stop working out, i thought that is what everyone in my gym does
:suspicious: we must be at the same gym. Oh wait... everyone does this actually. You might be considered weird if you don't follow this.

Lets see pics stewie

[penner2k]

good luck with your no sex drive goals for 2011

[hal0g0dv2]

good luck with your no sex drive goals for 2011

Another person who has no clue about gear or bad info from buddies heheheh
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[xilley]

so.. any updates?

[hal0g0dv2]

good luck with your no sex drive goals for 2011

dam cant fail

[stewie]

kk well heres an update, not even half way through yet, gained 20 lbs, at the gym 5-6 days a week.

started at 170lbs, as of friday i was 188.8 (close enough to 20lbs...) still have another 2 months almost

may not look like much from the photo, but so far everyone i know who doesn't know im on it can see big gains in me, saying im getting wider and filling out more.

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2076/day2w.jpg

[Excelsis]

did your pecs get smaller? :troll:

[penner2k]

Another person who has no clue about gear or bad info from buddies heheheh
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I was talking about the fact that he wanted to take deca without pinning any test.

I would like to point out that I have nothing against roids. I am against people doing stupid shit that ends up fucking up their body since that is part of the reason that this stuff is illegal. If you are gonna be too much of a pussy to poke yourself with a needle then stick to legal supplements.

[stewie]

did your pecs get smaller? :troll:

lol no, just the lighting and way im standing i guess hahaha, i saw that too when i first took the photo hahaha.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't see where the 20 lbs went. Glutes maybe

[stewie]

I don't see where the 20 lbs went. Glutes maybe

nah, my ass aint fat, wanna see that as well?

[hal0g0dv2]

you look a bit bigger, hope everything is going well

[Berzerker]

Shoulders look a lot rounder for sure.

Let's be clear on one thing. Steroids are NOT illegal because they have the potential to be harmful to the body. Let's face it, if that were the case tobacco and alcohol would also be illegal.

Steroids are illegal BECAUSE THEY WORK. Period. IF steroids were legal, it would change the face of humanity. Starting with sports. It has been proven time and time again that natural athletes can NOT compare to people who are on steroids. From baseball to football, track and field and all sports in between. People who do steroids WIN. It is because of that fact that making steroids legal would then open the floodgates and the natural athlete would be become extinct because there is no way a natural athlete can compare and therefore would be forced into taking steroids just to stay competitive. You can argue that long term use is detrimental to the body. Then I will point out many MANY bodybuilders that are doing just fine. Arnie, Lou, Coleman just to name a few. Why don't you hear about bodybuilders having heart attacks and dieing at young ages on a regular basis? Because steroids are NOT bad for you that's why. Sure there are side effects but there are side effects with cold meds and a host of other things we take on a regular basis.
Further to that argument. It's easy to say "oh you want to gain just eat more/ get a proper diet blah blah blah" to that I say FUCK THAT. Let's do a common working mans daily life shall we? Get up at 6 or 7 am, scarf some breakfast. Head to work. Lets say your in the labor force. You spend the day digging/shoveling/lifting heavy shit/ etc etc. You get 3 breaks. 2 15's and 1 half hour. You don't have the luxury of saying... yea sorry I need to stop and eat for a minute to get a meal in. JOBS DON'T WORK THAT WAY. So you put your 8 hours in (in many labor jobs your getting off easy at 8 hours and often work up 10 hours. So you get home at 5ish after working your ass off all day. Now you gotta drive some dinner into you before you hit the gym. Get to the gym around 7 if your lucky and workout until 8-9. Go home rub one out and hit the sack and get ready to do it all again. When am I supposed to be getting all these calories in? When am I supposed to be preparing all these meals I'm supposed to eat to "get big" when I can barely find time to take a shit? If you don't slave away all day and burn all your calories and if you have time in the night AND THE MOTIVATION to precook all your meals for the next day. Congrats! Me however.... I don't give a shit. I can get the same results as the average person working out for a year in 3 months with steroids. I call that being efficient. Once you get over the "STEROIDS ARE BAD FOR YOU" bullshit you can just enjoy LIFE on a daily basis and not fucking stress about getting your meals in.

Sorry for the long rant just wanted to kinda give the flipside to the coin here.

Berz out.

[hal0g0dv2]

Oops
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[SkinnyPupp]

Berz you can name 3 bodybuilders that are doing just fine, I can name 100+ wrestlers and bodybuilders who died in their 40s-50s because of steroid abuse.

Steroid is a DRUG. Like some DRUGS you can 'get away with it just fine' with the absolute correct use. But it still does changes to your body - some irreversible. Whether it's tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, LSD, cocaine, heroin, or steroids, they are all DRUGS that can FUCK YOU UP. Now you or Arnold might have been able to be 'just fine' doing steroids, and someone might be able to get along 'just fine' on opiates... but for a lot of people, probably the majority, that won't be the case.

[strykn]

There's a difference between abuse and use... you abuse anything you can fuck yourself up, yea if your on test/tren/slin/dbol/decca/hgh for year(s) straight obviously there's going to be repercussions. One proper 12 week cycle once or twice a year with proper PCT youll be good as new

[SkinnyPupp]

YEah but that doesn't mean it's not a drug. If you used cocaine for a few weeks, you'd be fine too. But cocaine isn't illegal because it "makes people better" just like steroids isn't illegal for that same reason. :fulloffuck:

[stewie]

berz, what you said about people saying "eat more then", well said!

I do work hard manual labor form 7-330, i only get 2 15's and a 30, and i DONT have the option of being able to sit my ass at a computer desk all day working and having the luxury of a lunch room with a fridge or a microwave where i can reheat some food...so i either eat cold left overs wich tastes like shit most of the time, or i eat sandwiches. at the end of the day, i come home eat dinner, go to the gym, make another quick small meal and then bed. sure you see me on facebook dickin around, but half the time its from my cellphone or im at home and waiting for food to cook or before i go to bed.

ive tried gaining weight the legit way...doesnt work so well for my lifestyle, so fuck it.

[SkinnyPupp]

berz, what you said about people saying "eat more then", well said!

I do work hard manual labor form 7-330, i only get 2 15's and a 30, and i DONT have the option of being able to sit my ass at a computer desk all day working and having the luxury of a lunch room with a fridge or a microwave where i can reheat some food...so i either eat cold left overs wich tastes like shit most of the time, or i eat sandwiches. at the end of the day, i come home eat dinner, go to the gym, make another quick small meal and then bed. sure you see me on facebook dickin around, but half the time its from my cellphone or im at home and waiting for food to cook or before i go to bed.

ive tried gaining weight the legit way...doesnt work so well for my lifestyle, so fuck it.
That's no excuse. You don't have to eat throughout the day, you can eat most of your calories in 2 or 3 meals. In fact, this might even be the best way to eat.

[Fobman]

im getting results without steroids so fuck steroids lol
at the end of the day do whatever the fuck u wanan do

[penner2k]

berz, what you said about people saying "eat more then", well said!

I do work hard manual labor form 7-330, i only get 2 15's and a 30, and i DONT have the option of being able to sit my ass at a computer desk all day working and having the luxury of a lunch room with a fridge or a microwave where i can reheat some food...so i either eat cold left overs wich tastes like shit most of the time, or i eat sandwiches. at the end of the day, i come home eat dinner, go to the gym, make another quick small meal and then bed. sure you see me on facebook dickin around, but half the time its from my cellphone or im at home and waiting for food to cook or before i go to bed.

ive tried gaining weight the legit way...doesnt work so well for my lifestyle, so fuck it.

Excuses excuses excuses
Ive been working 84 hour weeks for months now doing hardcore manual labour and managed to put on 8 lbs in 3 months.
Also not to be an asshole but you sure are carrying a lot of fat for someone who does manual labour..

[stewie]

Excuses excuses excuses
Ive been working 84 hour weeks for months now doing hardcore manual labour and managed to put on 8 lbs in 3 months.
Also not to be an asshole but you sure are carrying a lot of fat for someone who does manual labour..

what? so just because i do manual labour means i have to be ripped outta my mind??? if your trying to tell me that manual labour workers are all shredded....you my friend are fucking delusional....sure some of the guys are...MAYBE 2-3 of them where as the other 25+ are not.

alright, i made this thread to get some info, and now i met the right people who can keep pushing me in the right direction, so fuck this thread.

[Berzerker]

YEah but that doesn't mean it's not a drug. If you used cocaine for a few weeks, you'd be fine too. But cocaine isn't illegal because it "makes people better" just like steroids isn't illegal for that same reason. :fulloffuck:

Your trying to compare Steroids to Cocaine? Gimme a break. Steroids when taken properly are GOOD FOR YOU. Why do you think doctors PRESCRIBE IT to help people in therapy. I don't think your ever going to hear "Here's a flap with a half in it, take 3 lines and call me at 5 am to talk." There is no way to make cocaine anything but harmful to the body. Sure it may not kill you but it's in no way beneficial. Steroids on the other hand ARE. You should read Jose Canseco's book.

I also can name many many wrestlers that died early. Lets also look at their recreational drug use before we blame it on steroids. They are also pushing their bodies way beyond the average person doing a couple cycles a year. Again it's the difference between USE/ABUSE. The media blows up any time someone who has taken steroids dies because they want to shed a negative light on them to try and prevent usage. Anyone who has actually done them will tell you a different story.

For those of you saying "Yea I'm gaining steadily I don't need that shit." Congrats. You have a good body type. But there will come a day when you stop growing. Hal0 has hit that mark. He's been at 240lb for a long time now. He may have reached the limit of his body. He can eat and bulk and then diet and I bet he'll have a hell of a time getting past 250 when the smoke clears. So when YOU all get to that point you either have to be happy with what you have or do something about it.

As for Stewie carrying around a lot of "fat" I would say he looks like every other person who hits the gym and doesn't give a fuck about "cutting" I personally don't like the super lean ripped look and I really couldn't be fucked to diet to get there. If you do that's fine but don't insult someone because of their bodytype.

Berz out.

[SkinnyPupp]

OK not cocaine, how about opiates then. Whatever, same argument.

[hal0g0dv2]

This thread is fun now
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[SkinnyPupp]

I have nothing for or against steroids, or for or against people who take steroids. Just have the balls to call it what it is...

[dachinesedude]

does steroids really shrink your balls? (serious question)

since your basically injecting testosterone, you'll have excess of it, your body notices this and pretty much stops making it, and since testosterone is produced in the testes...

correct if im wrong

[BrRsn]

does steroids really shrink your balls? (serious question)

since your basically injecting testosterone, you'll have excess of it, your body notices this and pretty much stops making it, and since testosterone is produced in the testes...

correct if im wrong

With most steroids guys say they notice a small change. Honestly, I don't think it'll be that noticeable. And like any system in the body, it's not like it can't be restarted. Once you're off the fake stuff your testes get back in action. It can take awhile though as different steroids have varying half lives within the blood, and can take anywhere from 24 hours, to much longer to completely get "used up". A lot of guys also run Clomid to avoid these effects.

I'll try to put some good science in this thread. At the most basic level of understanding, testosterone = bigger muscles. Testosterone = made in testes. What causes testosterone to be made? The pituitary gland. How does it do this? It does this by releasing a hormone called Luteinizing Hormone (LH) that stimulates specific cells (Leydig cells) to make testosterone. Testosterone is converted to estrogen, and estrogen is what tells the pituitary to stop the testes from producing testosterone by not producing LH anymore.

Now, when you take testosterone, its pretty obvious that your pituitary is going to freak out, and literally stop your testicles from producing natural testosterone. Your body tries to maintain a balance of testosterone to estrogen, so when it gets extra testosterone, it tries to convert it to estrogen to maintain the balance. Guys run Clomid which works by blocking estrogen receptors at your pituitary. The pituitary doesn't detect much estrogen, and keeps secreting LH ---> testes stay active and produce more testosterone.

When you give a guy pure testosterone into his bloodstream, a lot of it is converted to estrogen, no more LH is produced, natural testosterone is cut off. So when a guy gets off the steroids, he's got a huge deficit in his natural test. This is why a lot of guys who are massive year round, run clomid (or some other similar substance) with anything they take. This is also why a lot of old school/misinformed guys say "as soon as your off the juice, you're gonna shrink". Not true.




I've had tons of arguments with girls and guys I know about steroids. I've had similar arguments about marijuana use. Understand your body, know what's being effected, and make the conscious decision. I've decided against steroids, but that doesn't mean everyone should. I have a few doctors in the family, and i've talked to all of them about steroid use. The older ones are against it (the ones who went through med school before aids even existed, who see steroids as just being "bad'). Then I talk to my cousins who are doctors, who have seen how Anavar (a steroid) can help aids patients, and their views aren't "pro steroid" use, but they see both sides of the argument.



Cliff notes:

Do steroids, it won't kill you.
Keep your testicles in the game while you're on the cycle
Be massive and healthy and happy.




Also, I'm using a very basic explanation. There are many steroids out there that work in different ways, and some are non aromatizing (do not get converted into estrogen, thereby not really effecting your body's natural test levels) but even those in high enough dosages can suppress your natural test production. Steroids are a clusterfuck of information. There's many different types that product many different results. There's also growth hormone which you can actually get a prescription for in the USA and up until recently you couldn't even tell through a blood test if someone was on GH or not.

[Meowjin]

I can't wait for stewies depression to start when he finishes anavar.

If you fuck up your post cycle, you will go insane. Believe me.

[Berzerker]

He's not on Anavar.

I've never had a problem with post cycle depression. I've never had a problem with Gyno and I've never had a problem with balls shrinking. I have many many friends that have done cycles and the only side effects I've seen is some bacne and severe muscle gain. I've also never done any PCT and never had a problem with my testosterone getting back in action. The last cycle I did was monitored by my doctor for my test levels and everything was perfect.

Education is the key.

Skinny. Opiates are legal. They are called Painkillers. 90% of today's painkillers derive from opiates. Opiates don't "enhance" you as a athlete therefore they are legal (although non legal for Olympic athletes and several other sports). Again your not going to find someone taking Codein to enhance their performance like steroids do. The only reason they are illegal is because the governing bodies of sports acknowledged a long time ago that sports are unfair if you allow people to use steroids. Non users simply can not compete. It's not a matter of "good for you bad for you" at all.

Berz out.

[Meowjin]

he's not doing post cycle, he never asked and isnt even stacking. He's fucking up.

I'm sorry but ignoring PCT is really really fucking dumb.

[Berzerker]

The cycle he's doing doesn't need to be stacked. It's the perfect beginner cycle. As long as you ramp up and then taper off PCT isn't really needed. Besides that PCT is relatively new to the juice game. 10 years ago (my last cycle) PCT wasn't even really talked about. You just adjusted your dosage during your cycle to minimize the effects when you came off the juice.

Berz out.

[Berzerker]

It's not just the fact that it's easier like I said I could care less than to eat 15 meals a day and spend the time effort and money to prepare cook and eat meals. I can eat the same way I'm eating now and with the help of juice get more results faster, cheaper, and easier than someone who is dieting perfectly, and spending shit loads on foods and sups. The negative stigma that is surrounded by steroids is the media's clever web of lies and misdirection regarding use and abuse propagated by it being illegal and therefore the "war on drugs" spills over to Steroids.

Why go to the gym? Oh to get stronger, bigger, better muscles. Well steroids do that. They do it damn well. When taken properly and in moderation. Do you think I like taking a year to gain a few pounds? Does anyone?

Case in point is OP from this thread. He's gained more in 10 weeks than he has in a year. I'd call that money well spent.

Berz out.

[hal0g0dv2]

And this is why people do not talk about gear to the public lol
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[Berzerker]

Exactly. And trying to tell people that everything they think they know about them is wrong... is like talking to Skinnypup. haha.

Berz out.

[SkinnyPupp]

Where did I disagree with anything said here? :fulloffuck:

I just said I don't get using extremely strong drugs just to get big. That is ME. For YOU it might make total sense. If you are going to try to explain it, 'defending' steroids is not necessary.

[Berzerker]

I was just poking at you. I know you understand them :)

Berz out.

[Excelsis]

so.. how much do steroids cost?

[hal0g0dv2]

so.. how much do steroids cost?

There free
Most Popeyes gives them away with celltech
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[Excelsis]

... and how long does one cycle last and how much would you gain in muscle about?

[BrRsn]

... and how long does one cycle last and how much would you gain in muscle about?

If you get on a good diet plan and eat about 5000calories worth of pizza, breadsticks, and hamburgers a day, all while scarfing down ~200G worth of protein from whey shakes ... and if you train for 3 hours a day and grunt + scream + stare down smaller guys while you're at the gym ..

Probably be benching like 350, squatting 500, and deadlifting 600 realistically.


you'll probably be able to do tricep kickbacks with 80's, do 2 at a time so it looks like you're milking two invisible cocks at the same time like the homo you are :troll:

edit:

get this tshirt
http://shop.getbig.dk/images/298_0.jpg

just so you can warn all those motherfuckers of the colossal muscle mountain you'll be in about 30 days

[Berzerker]

... and how long does one cycle last and how much would you gain in muscle about?

Around 500$ is a good estimate for a cycle of 12 weeks or so. You can expect to keep 20lbs real muscle. Gains up to 30ish pounds are common but some of that is water weight that goes away when you come off. I've never gained less than 15 pounds real muscle and that was on a shitty shitty cycle (my first one).

Berz out.

[hal0g0dv2]

Do 3 months d Bol :troll:
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[areyez]

thinking of trying my first cycle

12 weeks
500mg of test c(250 mon, 250 thurs)/ week
week 13 and 14 break
pct: clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks

anyone gimme any advice, feedback, opinions on this?

age:21
5'7 about 165lbs
workout bout 3-4 times a week
diets been pretty good(could use a little work, but with school and work diet can be a little difficult)

[Meowjin]

when you do roids you workout everyday.

seriously stop asking here, you will only get bad advice. and dont talk to gym rats because they are idiots. So many roided out goofs at the YMCA.

[strykn]

thinking of trying my first cycle

12 weeks
500mg of test c(250 mon, 250 thurs)/ week you have to pin cyp EOD do E if u dont wanna pin that much
week 13 and 14 break
pct: clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks should have some HCG on hand and a-dex incase ur gyno sensitive... and a PCT is about 3000x more complex than just 2 serms.

anyone gimme any advice, feedback, opinions on this?

age:21
5'7 about 165lbs establish a good base before celltech noob should be pullin atleast 4pate deadlift before the darkside
workout bout 3-4 times a week LOL...... 7 days a week u bitch
diets been pretty good(could use a little work, but with school and work diet can be a little difficult) Yeah, you aint ready for celltech go waste your money , ur choice

i'm joining the darkside and doing TestE/Tren-A/Dbolkickstart/Proviron cycle next year most likely heheheh

[hal0g0dv2]

thinking of trying my first cycle

12 weeks
500mg of test c(250 mon, 250 thurs)/ week
week 13 and 14 break
pct: clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks

anyone gimme any advice, feedback, opinions on this?

age:21
5'7 about 165lbs
workout bout 3-4 times a week
diets been pretty good(could use a little work, but with school and work diet can be a little difficult)

u r so not ready
me and strykn should be guest speakers at gym, give us 10 percent of what you would spend and we will talk to u for one hour and u will see gains like no other

[SkinnyPupp]

Halo people know what to do usually, but it's so much funner to do curls and drink muscle milk instead of lifting heavy and eating lots.
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[BlackV62K2]

thinking of trying my first cycle
age:21
5'7 about 165lbs

Look @ stats.....:fulloffuck:. And you want to go on gear already. Do you even lift?

[AAnthony]

Sooo Berz ... you've been juicing for a decade but can only do 5 widegrip pullups
...somethings not right....LoL!


Ultimately it's your body, do what you want with it. But it's frustrating for us naturals to see you juicers explode overnight (usually when the sun comes out)

When I started the gym everybody was so huge, now, 2 years later i'm bigger than most of the guys I looked up to. I got a lil bigger, but they got wayyy smaller, like they got the super aids or something...makes me soooo happy!

Like you said ... it's easier to juice than to eat right ... you're forgetting, weightlifting isn't about things being easier!!!!

Damn Cheaters........

[Berzerker]

Where did I say I've been juicing for a decade? I did my first cycle when I was 20. 16 years ago. I did 3 more after that about 2 years apart. I also stopped working out for long lengths of time due to various reasons. Injuries, relationships, work, etc. I have been actively lifting again since June and I was 185lbs. Before that I hadn't lifted in 3 years (I was 230lbs when I stopped lifting)
So I could look at you and say I've only been lifting weights for 6 months and I'm already pulling 4 plates and squatting 3 plates. I weigh 200lbs now so I've gained 15 lbs in 6 months but realistically that was in 5 months as my weight hasn't gone up at all in about 5 weeks. My caloric intake isn't sufficient to sustain my growth levels at this point. As for the wide grip pull ups.. I neglected my back and legs all my years of training. I've admitted that from the get go. Shoulders Chest Abs and Arms Brah. Typical juicemonkey douchbag right? Besides chicks don't stroke your back and ooh and ahh they stroke abs and chest Brah.
My personal preference is to not juice until I have built up a decent enough base. That usually happens around 200-205lbs. Then I crank and pop up to 220-230. This next time will be interesting as I don't see any problems continuing lifting after I've completed the cycle. Job is steady, life is steady. No worries no bullshit.

Next cycle will be starting February..... ;)

Berz out.

[hal0g0dv2]

Berz has a point, chicks are scared of my back
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[hal0g0dv2]

Sooo Berz ... you've been juicing for a decade but can only do 5 widegrip pullups
...somethings not right....LoL!


Ultimately it's your body, do what you want with it. But it's frustrating for us naturals to see you juicers explode overnight (usually when the sun comes out)

When I started the gym everybody was so huge, now, 2 years later i'm bigger than most of the guys I looked up to. I got a lil bigger, but they got wayyy smaller, like they got the super aids or something...makes me soooo happy!

Like you said ... it's easier to juice than to eat right ... you're forgetting, weightlifting isn't about things being easier!!!!

Damn Cheaters........

I like the last part
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[Berzerker]

Why do people think juicing is "easy" usually guys who are on crank are lifting a lot fucking harder a lot more often than those who aren't. How is that "easy"?

Berz out.

[SkinnyPupp]

Just a personal observation, but when I see juicers at the gym, they are usually there the longest, but doing the weakest ass workouts of anyone. Maybe it's just the training program they're on, with a lot of high volume isolation work, or maybe they do their 'hard' workout later in the day, but when I see a ripped 250 lb guy with bacne at the gym, they are usually taking it pretty easy.

[AAnthony]

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[AAnthony]

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[stewie]

your right aanthony, you DO have a chill lifestyle.. if i could have that life, i probably wouldnt be using this stuff...but guess what...not everyone is fortunate to have that lifestyle. but you said it yourself, you could understand how it would be different if you lived on your own..

honestly, i dont care about peoples opinions anymore..like berz said, 3 months of working out on juice is giving me the results of a year+ of working out everyday...

cheating? who gives a fuck, im not asking for your opinion about it being cheating or not, i was asking for information about the stuff i wanted to take.

[AAnthony]

^ LoL! I know you weren't asking, but like it or not this is gunna turn into the official RS JUICE THREAD. I can see it hitting 20+ pages. It'll move like crazy once the suns out!

[Fobman]

damn u juice monkeys get big so fast

[SkinnyPupp]

Hmm what's easier, taking steroids, or having unlimited access to perfect nutrition, being able to get sufficient rest, and not having to worry about anything other than school and working out? :)

[spideyv2]

Hmm what's easier, taking steroids, or having unlimited access to perfect nutrition, being able to get sufficient rest, and not having to worry about anything other than school and working out? :)

I dont cosign taking roids, but like berz said, what if ur work hours dont comply?
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[Berzerker]

You still have to work out and all. But you and I could hit the gym and do all the same workouts for a few months, yet for some reason you'll have grown 10 lbs more muscle than me. To me that's easy.


How could you possibly compare 2 people doing the same workout. Depending on body type, nutritional requirements, daily lifestyle one person will grow faster than another. Genetics Brah. Besides if I was juicing and doing the same workout as you I probably wouldn't grow much. It's entirely different kind of workouts when your on the sauce. You wouldn't be able to train like I do because you wouldn't be able to recover. Just like if I was training like you it wouldn't be enough stimulation. If juice was legal everyone would be doing it. Just like Celltech ;) or any other supplements out there. Only people that wouldn't be are people afraid of needles lol. Everyone's afraid of needles a little bit :heckno:until you pin yourself a couple times.. then you look forward to it :megusta:

Berz out.

[hal0g0dv2]

/thread on the year

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup if only it were legal, everyone would be pumping themselves full of synthetic hormones. As long as they don't abuse it right? Oh, except the people who are 'fraid of needles :troll:

[AAnthony]

Hmm what's easier, taking steroids, or having unlimited access to perfect nutrition, being able to get sufficient rest, and not having to worry about anything other than school and working out? :)

haha, kk got me there.
But if anything, shouldn't the guy with perfect nutrition/tons of rest time be the one juicing, as opposed to the guy eating 2-3 meals a day. I see soo many people on the sauce with the shittiest diets....were talking 2500 cals per day, 1000 from food, 1500 from alcohol, party all night, 3 hours of sleep, etc, etc..sooo ridiculous!

[hal0g0dv2]

me and strykn on roids :troll:

[Berzerker]

me and strykn on roids :troll:

What do you do for work Hal0 :troll: as for Strykn... no comment ;) haha

OH and AAnthony most guys that are juicing don't drink it's one of the things that you shouldn't do while your cycling.

Berz out.

[Berzerker]

haha, kk got me there.
But if anything, shouldn't the guy with perfect nutrition/tons of rest time be the one juicing, as opposed to the guy eating 2-3 meals a day. I see soo many people on the sauce with the shittiest diets....were talking 2500 cals per day, 1000 from food, 1500 from alcohol, party all night, 3 hours of sleep, etc, etc..sooo ridiculous!

That's probably the reason they are juicing. They don't have the luxury of sitting around all day eating and recouping. That's why I juice.

Berz out.

[AAnthony]

OH and AAnthony most guys that are juicing don't drink it's one of the things that you shouldn't do while your cycling.

Berz out.

It's pretty common in my age group. Bi's and Tri's then hit the club. Then again these are the types of guys that juice to get girls. As opposed to working out for self improvement.
Makes me cringe a bit..
it's the whole, live for today fuck tomorrow mindset

[m4k4v4li]

lol with all the money you pour into juice, the process of using steroids, the added stress... it isn't much "easier" than just eating right and lifting hard consistently

its called patience.

for me, I just like the idea of how far i can push myself naturally, and to see what type of gains I can get with my genetic limits. its satisfying.

but if you're doing it for purely asthetic reasons... then harm your body all you want in the process. theres really no point in getting jealous over juicers, i mean they've earned their gains through the ultimate sacrifice; their health... which is kinda ironic seeing how exercising is suppose to be an activity for the betterment of your health LOL

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh, but steroids are good for you remember? They are prescribed by doctors after all!
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[hal0g0dv2]

Will u do pct next time Berz ?
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[Berzerker]

Yep next time I'll do PCT like I said before the last time I rode a bike PCT was just starting to get talked about. Before any more of you come in here and say they abuse your body go talk to a doctor about it. A real doctor with sports medicine background not a 60 year old family doctor. You'll be surprised with the conversation.

As for it being more expensive? Nope. Factor in the cost of supplements and food over 3 months of eating like a whale and then compare that to eating normally. Easily over 200$ difference just in food. Over 3 months that's 600$. ;)

Berz out.

[strykn]

berz ill start when you start we'll make a log and everything... first one to 250 wins ? :fullofwin:

[penner2k]

I need to figure out how I can get needles and juice up to where I'm working. They do random bag searches when we land (I get flown in and out of site).. cost of food wouldnt be an issue at all since we can eat as much as we want..

[Nechako87]

I need to figure out how I can get needles and juice up to where I'm working. They do random bag searches when we land (I get flown in and out of site).. cost of food wouldnt be an issue at all since we can eat as much as we want..

IMO not worth it. If you're caught you'll get kicked off site (and possibly asked to never return), and maybe blacklisted for other sites.

I worked in a fly in/out site where they x-rayed all of our bags / jackets before entering...along with scanners and the such.

[BrRsn]

I need to figure out how I can get needles and juice up to where I'm working. They do random bag searches when we land (I get flown in and out of site).. cost of food wouldnt be an issue at all since we can eat as much as we want..

If you were taking orals you can buy plastic heat shrink that looks kinda like the heat shrink on tylenol ... buy a thing of extra strength and load it up with anavar capsules and throw the heat shrink on and just do an oral cycle. Assuming they don't open the thing you'll be fine.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah that way your liver will get more of a workout than you do :troll:

[hal0g0dv2]

Yeah that way your liver will get more of a workout than you do :troll:

X20
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[Berzerker]

Yea.. stay away from orals... You can use them to kickstart for a short period but I wouldn't recommend a full cycle of just orals. In that case I agree with Skinny.

Berz out.

[penner2k]

IMO not worth it. If you're caught you'll get kicked off site (and possibly asked to never return), and maybe blacklisted for other sites.

I worked in a fly in/out site where they x-rayed all of our bags / jackets before entering...along with scanners and the such.

There has to be a way. There are a couple guys on site that are juicing for sure. The only thing I can think is maybe they are contractors. If you are contracting you can drive your truck on site. Just make sure you hide your shit well and they wont find it.

[hal0g0dv2]

Someone buy me a cycle and I'll try
Might turn into the next Phil heath tho but white :troll:
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[SkinnyPupp]

Halo before going down that road you should consider doing some natural BB competition. Put your freaky natural genetics to use before fucking around with them! Or are those guys on juice anyway? :fuckthatshit:

[Berzerker]

Natural just means you pissed clean for the contest lol. Not sure how the intermittent testing goes for Natural BB competitions. Not to sound like a dick but I would bet Halo's legs would be his undoing in a comp. I haven't seen pics though so I could be wrong.

Berz out.

[Excelsis]

Halo, i challenge you to strongest kick

[hal0g0dv2]

train hard
tren harder

[Phozy]

Hm.. Id like to some RS members compete in a bb competition :D

[hal0g0dv2]

update?

[strykn]

in for update

[stewie]

kinda forgot about this thread.

update huh?

hmmm im almost done the cycle, couple weeks left of TNT then goin on hcg and clomid.

my weight is a steady 190lbs now

ive lost a lot of the water retention that i had while i was on the deca so now i actually look normal and not bloated everywhere hahaha, my blood pressure isnt through the roof anymore so my face is no longer beat red 24/7.

overall, happy with the outcome, gained 20+ lbs. ill get some pictures soon.

[subordinate]

pics? Interested.

[Excelsis]

still alive? :troll:

[stewie]

still alive? :troll:

lol whoops, yeah, like i said, everything went well :) i lost 5 pounds so im at a steady 185lbs now.

finished my PCT, and all is well :)

i dont really feel like uploading any pictures on here, but if you can find me on facebook you'll see my profile picture and see the results.

looking forward to summer when i do another cycle!!

[Excelsis]

I really don't understand why you did a cycle, you can still gain weight, it's when you reach your genetic potential that you start to consider roids..

and how do you even get your hands on them.. :suspicious:
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[stewie]

I really don't understand why you did a cycle, you can still gain weight, it's when you reach your genetic potential that you start to consider roids..

and how do you even get your hands on them.. :suspicious:
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my bodys ectomorphic, i pretty much am the max size ill get to be on my own, ive tried to bulk up and it simply didnt work, i go to the gym every day and the weights increase...but size doesnt get added to me.

i guess you can say i did the cycle cause i was at my genetic potential and this helped me push over the max and gave me some decent size.

how do i get my hands on them?

a few guys i work with have been using roids for years, so i told them i was interested, and they helped me from there, i give them cash, they give me the gear.

[Excelsis]

I need to find the t nation article about gaining weight again.. if you don't gain after that then that's your potential, you're not even close lol
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[stewie]

I need to find the t nation article about gaining weight again.. if you don't gain after that then that's your potential, you're not even close lol
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heh, well, 5000+ calories a day (good calories) while i was bulking...and i gained only a few pounds...

if you can find that article im more then willing to read it though.

[Excelsis]

T NATION | 37 Tips and Tales from Dave Tate (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/37_tips_and_tales_from_dave_tate)
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[xilley]

so.. how jacked did you get?

[stewie]

T NATION | 37 Tips and Tales from Dave Tate (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/37_tips_and_tales_from_dave_tate)
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read it

any idea where id be able to buy surge workout fuel? checked popeyes and reflex's websites and they dont carry them :( wouldnt mind trying it out.

xilley:

i didnt get jacked, i put on size everywhere, ive got a lot of toning to do now.

[TjAlmeida]

Read this whole fucking thread wanting to see a final update with a picture of the gains and there is nothing. :yuno:

Seems like there are a few people who really know their stuff and good on them for trying to help the OP through his cycle.

/Thread

[xilley]

read it

any idea where id be able to buy surge workout fuel? checked popeyes and reflex's websites and they dont carry them :( wouldnt mind trying it out.

xilley:

i didnt get jacked, i put on size everywhere, ive got a lot of toning to do now.

so.. you got Fat? :suspicious:

[SkinnyPupp]

Lazy guy takes steroids as a shortcut and gets puffy, filled with water and fat.

SHOCKER!!!

[stewie]

Lazy guy takes steroids as a shortcut and gets puffy, filled with water and fat.

SHOCKER!!!

go fuck yourself you ignorant cunt.

im not fat at all.

[SkinnyPupp]

:drunk:

[SkinnyPupp]

If you have "a lot of toning" to do, it means you are fat. Either that, or you don't actually have any toning to do. Which is it?

[stewie]

If you have "a lot of toning" to do, it means you are fat. Either that, or you don't actually have any toning to do. Which is it?

when i say to myself that "i have a lot of toning to do", thats in my opinion on myself. i actually do look fairly good with size and definition as is, but im still not satisfied and i know i can do better, wich means ill be putting in more work until i get the way i like. like i said, im quite toned as it is, but theres always room for improvement. all that needs toning is my abs and more decline bench(no my tits arent saggy or fat) and ill be happy when its done, it'll it look good.

[SkinnyPupp]

Cool, I see that you have calmed down a bit from your roid rage... looks like you REALLY don't like to be called fat. Sorry! Go get toned, yo. I heard Clen is good for that.

[stewie]

Lol, it's not roid rage at all, I just have little tolerance for people who can say something to someone without knowing who they are or where they're comming from. I have no personal hate towards you at all, and I know this is the Internet and you can say what you want, but I'll always let you know how I feel about what's been said.

But I'm sorry for the name calling at ya, since I'm such a nice guy, ll let you buy me a case of beer :)
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[Berzerker]

Lets put it this way, when Stewie posted a recent pic on FB with his family (not a gym brah shot) EVERYONE commented on how big he had gotten. LOL Most people who know anything about lifting knew where the gains came from but let's just say it was noticeable to everyone.

Good work bud!

Berz out.

[Berzerker]

Oh and Skinny calling him Lazy is kinda outa line... I would like to see you do for 1 week what this guys does. Both working his ass off doing labor all day and THEN still going to the gym to work his ass off even more.

Berz out.

[SkinnyPupp]

Just trollin yo. This thread went off the deep end already anyway :D

Anyway, it better be fucken noticeable to everyone, seeing as he's on steroids and all.. it would be pretty sad to do a cycle, and then not get significantly bigger

[stewie]

Lets put it this way, when Stewie posted a recent pic on FB with his family (not a gym brah shot) EVERYONE commented on how big he had gotten. LOL Most people who know anything about lifting knew where the gains came from but let's just say it was noticeable to everyone.

Good work bud!

Berz out.

thanks berz!! i owe a LOT of it to you with all the stupid questions i would ask you daily on facebook chat lol!! once again man, thanks a tons!!!

[Berzerker]

No prob bud I'm here for anyone who wants help :) Natty or not I don't give a fuck. lol.

Berz out.

[Excelsis]

ya he did get bigger

I just watched a short film on flex wheeler, he said his test levels dropped to 70 and his wife wanted to have a baby.. :fuckthatshit:

anyways he raised it using test charge but moral of story is don't abuse roids lol
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[xilley]

LOL just post a pic of yourself dude we all want to see

[Excelsis]

xilley

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTG_KwVMZ8aV-0ZvLlR0AYMTlSmnniFycwmblNf2Q9AoRxcQEUHTw
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[xilley]

nope, i only do cardio to lose Fat
i ve posted in the workout thread
cardio 30-45 mins a day 4 times a week
was doing 30 mins everyday 7 times a week, but found it too tiring as my legs start to hurt so i went to 4 times a week
too cold to do HIIT atm.. no chance i m going to run outside atm lol

[stewie]

LOL just post a pic of yourself dude we all want to see

alright whatever, i dont really care if you can see my face or not, ive got nothing to hide lol

heres a photo from last november...you can see how much of a skinny fuck i am

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3650/lastyear.jpg

heres a photo from this november (ignore my family...i dont really take much photos of myself)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4431/30142110150434035165516.jpg

[Excelsis]

so.. that's your way of hiding girls, putting black squares on them? :troll:
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[xilley]

eh.. not to be a dick or offend you, but i think you couldve gained that, with a good protein diet and protein shake.
instead of using roids.

[Berzerker]

LOL xilley you have no idea what your talking about man.

Berz out.

[xilley]

correct me if i m wrong as i m learning as well

[stewie]

so.. that's your way of hiding girls, putting black squares on them? :troll:
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lol i dont think she'd be to happy if she knew i was throwing her photo on a forum thats 99% horny guys hahaha

[Excelsis]

btw did you try any weight gainers like this Vitol Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer at Bodybuilding.com: Lowest Prices for Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vitol/russianbear5000.html?)
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[stewie]

btw did you try any weight gainers like this Vitol Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer at Bodybuilding.com: Lowest Prices for Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vitol/russianbear5000.html?)
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yup, i currently take 3 full servings a day of mutant mass weight gainer, breakfast, when i get home from work, after the gym.

[hal0g0dv2]

w0w that is some pretty good size there

[strykn]

I really don't understand why you did a cycle, you can still gain weight, it's when you reach your genetic potential that you start to consider roids..

and how do you even get your hands on them.. :suspicious:
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wrong, if you want to compete as a body builder u take crank after u hit genetic potential. Roids for the regular people, like stewie, speed up the proccess to hit genetic potential. Anything gained after genetic potential, you WILL NEED TO ALWAYS BE ON A DOSE OF TEST TO keep those gains i.e. body builders. get ur shit straight

[Berzerker]

Xilley when your already a hard gainer, coupled with a very aerobic job (physical labor) plus going to the gym it can hard as hell to gain size. Eating enough to fuel a high metabolism that is constantly working is a chore in itself. Seeing as how You only do cardio I'm going to assume your on the heavier side of life. Stewie, like Me, if just left to do nothing would shrink up and lose weight. Others if left to do nothing will get fat. I have to actively work my ass off to gain muscle and weight. For guys like us Celltech is often needed to kickstart or get to a place where they want to be to maintain. Once there you'll likely plateau and gains will be hard to make and then another cycle might be considered.

I would say for Stewie gaining almost 30-40lbs in a year is a pretty solid success story.

Berz out.

[Excelsis]

strykn, that's my opinion when i'd take steroids if i ever need to, i guess i have it easier with my blessed genetics.. but i just think if you can get there naturally then why go on roids, i don't care if it takes longer but iunno, do what you want lol

[hal0g0dv2]

tren hard and clen off

[subordinate]

Damn....only a year for some solid gains.

[SkinnyPupp]

Damn....only a year for some solid gains.
:fulloffuck:

[xilley]

Xilley when your already a hard gainer, coupled with a very aerobic job (physical labor) plus going to the gym it can hard as hell to gain size. Eating enough to fuel a high metabolism that is constantly working is a chore in itself. Seeing as how You only do cardio I'm going to assume your on the heavier side of life. Stewie, like Me, if just left to do nothing would shrink up and lose weight. Others if left to do nothing will get fat. I have to actively work my ass off to gain muscle and weight. For guys like us Celltech is often needed to kickstart or get to a place where they want to be to maintain. Once there you'll likely plateau and gains will be hard to make and then another cycle might be considered.

I would say for Stewie gaining almost 30-40lbs in a year is a pretty solid success story.

Berz out.


Yes i m on the heavier side, and i really wish i could have a higher metabolism rate like you guys.
all the Fat goes to the Gut which leaves me a huge belly.
a trainer in the gym told me to just do some lifting and i will actually tone up more and lose weight faster than doing cardio everyday, is that true?
i was at 106.7kg a month ago and right now at 98kg. and i m 180 cms around 5'11

stewie, not jacking your thread here. i posted it then i realized i shouldve Pmed berz instead. my bad

[Excelsis]

post in the workout general thread more often xilley

and the more muscle you have the less fat you will be able to retain; metabolism increases too

you should go on the 5x5 program :D, and not all fat goes to belly, just a higher proportion

[stewie]

Damn....only a year for some solid gains.

a year? those gains were from august - november, i just used a photo from last year to show the size i was.

[cruz-in]

good job guy, gains look good.