[nns]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yubsABVvo9U

Watch it till the end.

Reports about the incident: http://www.unitedstatescops.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16860&OB=DESC

[StylinRed]

story? thats fucked up and looked like it was right out of a movie


edit: Bad Ass Police Department in the comments lol


Don't drive through Ohio... the cops there are psycho. " The car just tried to ram me " says the officer... no buddy, it was just trying to do a U-turn to get away, and you tried running into him. I also like how the cop runs out infront of the car as they are trying to get away so now the officer can say the car tried to run him over so now he can shoot them. So then he runs up on top of the hood and shoots the driver several times. When infact the driver wasnt trying to kill the officer, the officer put himself into harms way by himself. The guy was just trying to get away.

This is what I can tell from the video. I watched it a couple of times and at no point did I hear or see a gun from the suspects. I also did not hear the police says shots fired on the radios. Cop #3 just comes barreling out of his patrol car firing away and then the Cop #2 gets all excited and starts shooting also. Please tell me i'm wrong and I miss understood what really happened. I'm in a little bit a shock that I saw those cops go on a rampage and shoot the driver to death. What happened to setting up a road block, spike strips, and just pit the car til it wrecks or comes to a holt? Heck lets just pass all of those minor things and go straight for the guns.

that's a pretty good summary of how i feel

certainly they were complete fucking idiots for starting this chase but still



edit 3: BAPD stands for Blue Ash Police Department (Blue Ash, Ohio)

edit 4: Blue Ash Police Department

A driver was killed and two officers were injured in the Aug. 28 chase and shooting.
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Story by newsnet5.com

# Watch Video

BLUE ASH, Ohio --

A driver was killed and two officers were injured Tuesday after a police chase and shooting.

Daryl Black, a passenger, said all he wanted was a ride to the store. What he got instead was the wildest ride of his life.

Already, he's having nightmares, newsnet5.com partner WLWT-TV in Cincinnati reported.

"I thought I was a goner," Black said.

Black, 28, was riding with Charles Bennett, 37, when Blue Ash police tried to pull him over for erratic driving near Sycamore High School. Instead, Bennett made a run for it.

Wednesday night, Black watched the dashcam video from the Blue Ash cruisers that chased Bennett early Tuesday morning.

"What I am thinking here is, 'Get me out of this car ? you're going to kill us," he said.

Black said he didn't know that the car was stolen. He said that he tried to grab the wheel, but couldn't.

Black said Bennett never said a word during the entire chase.

Eventually, after being hit by police cruisers at least twice, Bennett's car stopped and an officer jumped on the hood of the car, firing through the windshield.

"I thought I was a dead man, you know? I thought he was going to shoot me when he was up on that thing. I kept on saying 'No, no, no, don't shoot!" Black said.

Bennett died at Bethesda North Hospital, but Black was unharmed and police quickly determined he was an innocent bystander.

"Going through a chase and then watching an officer shoot several shots in a window, when you think the next bullet is for you, it's unreal," Black said.

The three officers who fired shots during the pursuit are on administrative leave.

Copyright 2007 by NewsNet5. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Dash-Cam-Captures-Violent-Ohio-Chase/1$37661

another article http://www.wlwt.com/r/13990296/detail.html

BAPD also killed a 5lb chiuahua mix last year with 3 bullets http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_v0neUj-VDa4/Si6Nb_lkdaI/AAAAAAAAD0I/z_ij4UTiNyY/s400/jackthecopmurdereddog.jpg http://theknightshift.blogspot.com/2009/06/blue-ash-ohio-cops-murder-five-pound.html
When the Bullocks returned home from a family member's funeral on Friday, they found blood and three bullets on their front porch – along with a note to call the Blue Ash Police Department about their dog.

The Bullocks were shocked to learn that Jack had gotten out of the backyard and two officers who tried to catch him, ended up shooting and killing him right on the family's front porch.

[-EuroRSN-]

WOW thats some justice served right thurrr!

[hotong]

holy shit

[moomooCow]

Holy crap, so that's how Vice City cops feel...

[MG1]

Was the cop's name Bieksa? How many shots did he take? Did he miss all those times and finally nailed the guy with the last shot?

I guess he wanted to make sure it was dead.

[TouringTeg]

like whoa

[nns]

From the 2nd link I posted:
Shooting haunts passenger
BY QUAN TRUONG AND CLIFF RADEL | QTRUONG@ENQUIRER.COM AND CRADEL@ENQUIRER.COM
BLUE ASH – As police here launched two investigations into a high-speed chase in which officers shot and killed a driver who fled from them in a stolen car, the car’s passenger was dealing with his own demons.

Daryl Black, 28, said Wednesday he has already had nightmares of bullets flying around him.

He looked at the cuts on his palms and could still see his neighbor, Charles Wayne Bennett, riddled with bullets with blood staining his shirt.

He remembered the determined look on Bennett’s face as he pressed his foot on the gas pedal and ran from police at speeds up to 130 miles per hour.

Black was in the passenger seat of the stolen car that led police on a pursuit through Blue Ash early Tuesday.

Several times during the chase, Black said, he tried to grab the wheel and crash the car but was unsuccessful.

The car hit two cruisers before finally slowing to a stop. When the final, fatal gunfire began with an officer on the hood firing into the car, “I hit the floor,” Black said.

Huddled underneath the dash in the passenger seat, he heard bullets shatter the windows.

Wednesday afternoon, Black sat at a picnic bench near his home in Sycamore Township and recalled the nightmare that “should’ve never happened.”

Black said the shooting was not justified.

“Obviously they had him stopped, they didn’t need to keep firing,” he said. “For a car, it’s not worth a life.”

Police said Bennett nearly ran into cruisers twice, once while making a U-turn, accelerated toward officers at one point, twice actually bumped cruisers, and rolled into the officer who ended up firing from the hood. Three officers fired shots, but not all at the same time.

As he spoke, Black rarely smiled. He appeared calm but looked tired. Occasionally, he held up his hands, gripping the imaginary wheel of the Monte Carlo as he described the chase.

“It keeps going through my head,” he said.

It all began just after midnight, when Bennett picked him up – with another man in the car – from the apartment building on Kenwood Road where Black said the two were neighbors.

“He was supposed to take me to Walgreens,” Black said. “I didn’t know the car was stolen.”

After dropping off the third man in the car, Bennett was driving on Cornell Road when he decided to do a U-turn, Black said. A Blue Ash officer pulled up and tried to stop the car.

“He said, ‘(Expletive) this,’ and takes off,” Black said. “He floors it and I grab the wheel but stopped because I decided it was too dangerous. I said, ‘You’re gonna kill us (expletive)! Stop this (expletive) car!’”

Bennett replied with the only phrase he uttered during the entire chase: “Shut up (expletive.)”
“It was eerie,” Black said. “He was very quiet throughout the whole thing. I was the one screaming at him.”

Black said he’s never been that close to gunfire. Hamilton County court records show he’s had previous drug and assault charges convictions, but Black said he never imagined himself in this situation.

“Somebody died right next to me – somebody I know,” he said. “We were casual friends. Never would I have thought he’d be involved in this – he was a soft-spoken man. No one understands why he did it.”

Bennett, 37, who Black said was his neighbor in Sycamore Township, had numerous charges on his record. His most recent conviction was for panhandling and possession of marijuana in July.

Blue Ash officers are conducting a criminal investigation to present to the Hamilton County Prosecutor and an internal investigation. Both are under the direction of Capt. James Schaffer.

“The investigations will be conducted one right after the other,” Schaffer said.
The criminal probe, he said, deals with “felonious assault on police officers in which deadly force was used.” The internal investigation will see “if any internal policies were violated.”

So far, it appears Blue Ash police followed proper procedure during the pursuit and shooting, Schaffer said.

“When someone is using a vehicle as a weapon, if officers are threatened with bodily harm or death, they are justified under our policy,” Schaffer noted, “in using that level of force.”

Following the incident, four officers were placed on paid administrative leave. Three were put on leave for discharging their sidearms. One went on leave for using his car as a weapon. Being placed on administrative leave is department policy in such cases.

The officers on leave are:

- Sgt. Edward Charron – policeman since 1988. Blue Ash Police Department member since 1995. Promoted to sergeant in 2002. While a member of the Cincinnati Police Department in 1991, he shot and killed a Golf Manor teen after the 18-year-old tried to grab the officer’s gun during a scuffle following a traffic stop.

- Sgt. Paul Hartinger – policeman since 1984. Blue Ash Police Department member since 1989. Promoted to sergeant in 1998. Sued for excessive use of force after a 1993 traffic stop.

-Officer Steve Keller – policeman since 1993. Blue Ash officer since 2002. Involved in July incident where a handcuffed suspect escaped from a cruiser’s back seat.

- Officer Scott Noel – policeman since 1990. Blue Ash officer since 2002. Used his cruiser as a weapon against the stolen car driven by Charles Wayne Bennett. Noel performed a “pit maneuver” where a trained officer bumps a suspect’s car to send it into a spin and off the road.

I don't know how you can call that excessive force. The passenger himself basically recounted how the driver, Bennett, had no regard for the law or safety of others.

This is pretty scary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14ID3zybSk

[Eclypz]

I kept waiting for the credits at the end to say "Directed by John Woo" and "Starring Chow Yun Fat"

[Nightwalker]

Ohio just outbadassed Russia

[Qmx323]

Lesson:

Don't ever fucking try to run from cops in the US

[The7even]

that's a pretty good summary of how i feel

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Question.. did you ever consider the possibility that this stupid faggot could have ran over someone YOU love.. would you then possibly ever think the way you do now?


People here are so afraid of a police state that criminals have more fucking rights than anybody else..

give me a break, he ran , he got what he deserved. I'm glad this shits dead.

Also, he may not have wanted to kill anybody, but he could have.

Do you think people like the driver in this video wake up and say "today im going to run someone over with my car"? No, they do not. But do they fucking do it anyway? Yes, because they ran, they were going too fast and hit a child, a mother, a person, anybody. He didn't deserve any better. He got killed before he could kill someone.

[StylinRed]

^^yeah i can understand what you're saying all drunk drivers should get shot too

fuck the rule of law lets stoop to their idiotic levels and take it one step further and bring it to the extreme

lets forget any training we may have and contingencies that are built in (spike track; even stopping the chase, instead of lying about ramming/attempted murder to justify shooting) and lets all grab a gun and start blowing away people that step over the line.... hell what line? im just gonna fucking shoot anyone who looks at me funny or better yet... anyone that just looks funny


(im fine with a lil st justice, look at the russian drunk driver thread :P but there's always a line and it shouldnt be crossed)

[MindBomber]

Why did the officer jump on the hood, why did he not jump off given the car was only traveling 10km/p, why did he fire 3 shots at point blank range when one would have likely ended the pursuit. Its clear to me why the officers are currently on administrative leave.

Sounds like a pretty fucked up police department with trigger happy officers.

[rsx]

Love it. Fucking love it.

Glad the fucker is dead. If he was arrested, bailed out, sentenced or released, he's most likely going to end up doing the same stupid shit he's been doing and risking everyone's safety.

I fucking hate it when criminals make a run for it and then when boxed in or trapped, put their pussy hands up and "give up" What the hell is that about? Kill those fuckers. It's not tag or hide and seek for fuck's sakes.

[Arash]

I bet street racing has a higher kill ratio of innocent lives then car pursuits.
Street racers are always risking everyone's lives, going by your logic we should kill them too?

[johny]

this should happen more often

[mr_chin]

I bet street racing has a higher kill ratio of innocent lives then car pursuits.
Street racers are always risking everyone's lives, going by your logic we should kill them too?

The officer stood in front of the vehicle and the suspect still stepped on the gas. That would be considered as an attempt to kill the officer wouldn't it?

Street racing is different. Their intention is not to find aa innocent bystander and run them over. Their offense is different.

I believe what the cop did was not 100% correct and 100% following procedure but firing his gun was necessary at that moment. Killing him wasn't. Did he deserved it? I believe he did. You commit a crime, expect to suffer the consequences regardless of how it was casted on you.

Vancouver's or should I say, Canada's justice system is too light. But maybe because it's so light that we don't have criminals like they do in the states. Criminals in the states knows they are in for it so they commit more serious crime to try to get away.

Put yourself in the officers' position and imagine what they have to go through to get these guys off the streets, must be horrifying. Police officers in the states have to be more offensive than police officers here. The criminals they deal with are much more vigorous.

[MindBomber]

Wow, based on the responses in this thread it sounds like we live in Iran, not in Canada.


I'm a huge supporter of the police when they're criticized normally, but everything I see they did wrong here..
People make mistakes, stealing a car and running from police is a severe crime and it should be punished as such, but it doesn't void a persons right to live. The driver, however misguided, had the potential to change his path in life and improve and he was never given a chance to. Given that it looks like the pursuit was in the middle of no where, I don't see why they couldn't have let the car go. Trigger happy officers, first they shoot a puppy three times then they shoot a person three times. Does this remind anyone of the 15 year old who stole a car and was shot through the windshield in Vancouver?

[MindBomber]

The officer stood in front of the vehicle and the suspect still stepped on the gas. That would be considered as an attempt to kill the officer wouldn't it?

Watch the video again, carefully, the officer climbs on the hood and then the car starts moving. At least thats how I saw it, the quality is pretty low.

[mr_chin]

Watch the video again, carefully, the officer climbs on the hood and then the car starts moving. At least thats how I saw it, the quality is pretty low.

After watching it, he did climb onto the car. But while on their, he yelled don't move several times. By moving, he put the officer's life in danger and gave him the right to fire.

Who knows what could happen afterwards. The driver could have sped off with him on top and what should the officer do then?

Either way, it was against the procedure that's why they are on admin leave. But criminals should know that when you put a police officers life in danger, expect to be shot.

[5thgenbliss]

That's interesting stuff. I wasn't going to reply, but what the hell, let me just put a couple things out there.

Sure, the police in this instance, may have gotten carried away. It didn't have to end that way.

Having said that, the driver wasn't a saint, known to police, not exactly a good specimen of man. A part of me hate people like that, especially when every legal system fails us with regard to these types of scum. Did he get what he deserves, well, I'm not losing sleep over his death, lets put it that way.

reading some of the posts on here, I tend to agree with many of you, even the ones opposing one another. I get where everyone is coming from. I think its safe to say, a lot of us are sick of the current level of humanity, or the lack of it, in our society today. Its sad really when we don't always respect our fellow man. It makes is hard to have hope with our society these days. There are too many times ALL of us through caution to the wind and do stupid shit of all degrees. There will always be the lowest scums of the earth, but the middle (gray area) is growing every day if you know what i mean.

an interesting point, drunk drivers, and street racers, someone said, if you use the "same" logic then death as a penalty to these types of people are ok....
Its sad to hear me say this, but sometimes I'm ok with this too. Perhaps not at the hands of a police officer shooting him in the head while mounted on the dudes hood of the car, but when street racers die because of their stupidity, they got what they deserved. Hopefully they removed themselves from society without and collateral damage. IE, hitting, and/or killing an innocent victim(s). friends of street racers have a onus to their 'friend' and society to try and stop shit from happening, but at the end of the day, a person makes his/her own decisions, you just be prepared for the consequences.

drunk drivers, well, simple, you and rapists, murderers, child molesters, can all do our society a favor and 'eliminate' yourselves.

Perhaps what i've said is a bit blunt, but I think most of you have some similar feelings.


happy holidays, and do something positive this season instead of the opposite. That's a thought:)

[AzNightmare]

I dunno, I feel it's as simple as this.
When a police engages you. Don't run.
If you have nothing to hide, then what are you running from?
(If you have something to hide, then you deserve to get the beat down)

Don't ever make the officer feel threatened. Regardless of training, a police officer is
human, and if they feel you're gonna kill them, they'll kill you first.

[El Bastardo]

I say they should've let the guy go, followed him to his house, cooked him a nice meal, rubbed his feet, and then paid his mortgage because fuck the police right guys?


Come on. A reasonable person would've

1) Not run from the police
2) Stopped running when it was clear that running was an ineffective way to end the situation
3) Given up when they were rammed by the police
4) Given up when they had a gun pointed at them

Everyone makes their own choices. Even that 15 year old who tried to run down those cops (referenced earlier in this thread) knows right from wrong. And even a moderate amount of wrong from a whole lot wrong.


For those of you who are critical of the actions of the police, suggesting every method that should've been employed to resolve the situation: Put yourself in their shoes.

A person that committed to eluding the police is a danger ever second hes on the road. Deploying spike strips (in the dark, no less) is probably well within protocol but the officer had a decision to make; he had to end the pursuit before it began again.

The driver of the car was communicated with and clearly outnumbered. He knew of the consequences to continuing to flee, especially when a police officer STOOD IN FRONT OF HIM WITH A GUN.


Are the cops glad they shot him? No. Did they wake up in the morning, springing out of bed delighted at the opportunity to kill another person? No. Would they rather have seen this play out differently? I have no doubt they do.


Sure, we see the officers involved and their histories. One was sued for excessive force, one had a suspect escape on them, but those stats sell newspapers. I guarantee that no details of the difference they make in their cities a better place reach any part of those articles. Villains move papers best of all.

I'm sure the family of the guy killed is mortified. Its horrible that it came to this, but he made a choice to get behind the wheel and be a danger to everyone he encountered. He made the choice to not comply. He was entirely in control of his destiny and he is ultimately to blame.



Oh, and the retard that StylinRed quoted complaining that the driver was an innocent humanitarian on the way to the unicorn farm to make rainbows and cures for cancer instead of a danger to people around him: That guy is fucking retarded.

[The7even]

^^yeah i can understand what you're saying all drunk drivers should get shot too

A first time offender of drunk driving should get a sentence of 15 years in prison, no exceptions. Whether he hit someone or not. If he/she is caught, 15 years, no exceptions.

Harsh? FUCK NO.

Are you going to wait until they kill someone.. you? Your kid?

I don't care. Why ? Because they don't care.

If you think that sentence is harsh then you a)did not calculate the possibility of this cocksucker hitting you or anyone you care about and 2)are to blame for all the stupid shit people do here and then get slapped on the wrist for.

When is it going to stop? Do people have to keep dying for us to create laws that actually do something?

You could do that, or you could actually step it up and fix the problem.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt, you would KILL any person that kills your wife or your child or your mom or dad.. if you say no, then you're the Dali Lama. If you would kill them, you ought to rethink your argument .




fuck the rule of law lets stoop to their idiotic levels and take it one step further and bring it to the extreme



This is not extreme. Perhaps somewhere along the line we forget, the guys doing the chasing.. they're human too.

The shit who ran, did not care about killing the cop, or anyone else on the street. He was doing over 100mph, tell me what kind of control you have over your car at 100mph? Very, very little.. none actually..
taking into account that it was night out, that he was drunk .. his reaction time is at all time lows, lucky no body was on the roads..

Do you know why I'm right in this argument? Because if he killed anybody, and you saw it on that vid, you'd completely agree with me. You'd want him dead too. That is not barbaric, that is called justice. Simple as that.
I don't suggest we kill everyone, but yeah, human shits need to die. I'm tired of faggotry and bullshit and all the shit that people do and then all that happens in return is a slap on the fucking wrist.

The issue is much bigger than this, I don't just have a problem with this guy, my problem lies with everyone.

I see war criminals get 10-15 years in prison.. is that justice..

the only justice that i know is the one that produces a result in which revenge is served and mirrors the punishment of the guilty.

Life isn't a fucking cartoon, we aren't the justice league. Kill these sacks of fucking shit.

[MindBomber]

Trigger happy officers. Family Outraged After Officer Shoots Their Dog (5 lb Chihuahua)
WCPO ^ | 06/09/2009 | Lynn Giroud
Posted on Tue Jun 09 2009 06:42:04 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by TSgt

CINCINNATI, OH -- A Blue Ash family is outraged after returning home to find their dog had been shot and killed by a police officer.

The dog was a Chihuahua-mix named “Jack” that Scott and Sharon Bullock had given to their 12-year-old son for his birthday a few years ago.

When the Bullocks returned home from a family member's funeral on Friday, they found blood and three bullets on their front porch – along with a note to call the Blue Ash Police Department about their dog.

The Bullocks were shocked to learn that Jack had gotten out of the backyard and two officers who tried to catch him, ended up shooting and killing him right on the family's front porch.

"He was cornered on the porch and scared," said Sharon Bullock. "The officer bent down bare-handed to pick up Jack, and Jack bit him."

"My five-year-old cried himself to sleep the night before last, wanting his dog," said Sharon Bullock.

"He ‘barks’ for him" added Scott Bullock. "He'd ‘bark’ and Jack would always come to him, so he's outside going ‘Bark bark bark,’ hoping he's gonna come back. It's heartbreaking."

The Bullocks told their five-year-old and three-year-old sons that Jack ran away.

The Bullocks admit they were at fault for leaving their dog outside, and are sorry the officer was bitten, but they say their dog was not a vicious animal and had never bitten anyone before.

They're wondering why the officers didn't call the SPCA to catch the dog.

"They didn't make that phone call other than to come scoop the dog off the porch after they shot him," said Scott Bullock. "Two grown men that can't gather up a five-pound dog – and they're trained police officers – sounds ridiculous to me."

That officer later explained to the family that he was following procedure.

The Blue Ash Police Department has not returned 9News’ calls for comment on this incident.

The family says there were two officers involved. One was bitten. The other officer tased, then shot the dog three times.

[Arash]

The United States, despite being one of the wealthiest countries in the world has the highest rate of poverty.

Most of you dont understand the multitude of reasons why people have to commit crime in the states. You guys always go to sleep with a full stomach and a roof over your head, but lots of people in America dont have a choice and its not because they are lazy or stupid, its what the system has created.

Even if this guy was a chain mugging meth head, what happened in this video was murder and if you cant sympathize for this guys life then you have no moral value for life.

Lastly technology and crime fighting power has greatly advanced since the western era of the United States, there are effective ways in stopping or tracking people that run from the police without killing them and asking questions later.

Wow, based on the responses in this thread it sounds like we live in Iran, not in Canada. Sorry MindBomber but it looks like you drank the Rupert Murdock cool aid, Iran is a society with high morals unless you know other wise.



.

[StylinRed]

A first time offender of drunk driving should get a sentence of 15 years in prison, no exceptions. Whether he hit someone or not. If he/she is caught, 15 years, no exceptions.

Harsh? FUCK NO.

i agree



Life isn't a fucking cartoon, we aren't the justice league. Kill these sacks of fucking shit.

that explains it all. fuck the rule of law lets stoop to their idiotic levels and take it one step further and bring it to the extreme




If you really believed this you'd want Bank CEOs , Pharmaceutical CEOs, Soft Drink CEOs shot and killed more so than anyone else (considering the manipulating and theft of peoples $$; the manipulating and deaths of people due to known faulty meds; the Death squads of Coca~Cola etc)

except the higher up the class and wealth scale the criminals are the less outrage we feel over them even when their crimes are greater and deadlier

[MindBomber]

Sorry MindBomber but it looks like you drank the Rupert Murdock cool aid, Iran is a society with high morals unless you know other wise.


The morals of Iran's government are a matter of perspective, to someone who shares it's governments religious values it may seem like a very moral state. Through my perspective, a Canadian atheist, the Iranian government has an abysmal human rights record and a President in need of a psychiatric evaluation.

Ahmadinejad is a holocaust denier, until they elect a new leader they will never have credibility.

/back to police shooting.

[Arash]

So you have drank the cool aid.

This very police pursuit could happen in Europe if you are a history professor and found that aspects of the holocaust werent true. In-fact anyone who goes against the proclaim number of deaths by the Nazi's will go to jail, its no joke.

Just because Iran chooses to hang murderers (as Canada once did) it doesnt mean it has an abysmal human rights record. Anything else you want to add to that... you are just too gullible.

As for this cops behavior, I would give him 25 years with no parole for murder. He would probably be 70 when he gets out.

[MindBomber]

Just because Iran chooses to hang murderers (as Canada once did) it doesnt mean it has an abysmal human rights record. Anything else you want to add to that... you are just too gullible.


As I clearly stated Arash, its a matter of fucking perspective, I didn't drink any cool aid I just have a different belief system.

Countries around the world continue to hang people and I fully support their right to do so, even though I don't personally support capital punishment. Lebanon and Turkey both govern their countries with Islamic values, but they don't stone people to death.
The holocaust happened, trying to deny it is a disgrace to the millions of people who died.

[StylinRed]

Ahmadinejad is a holocaust denier, until they elect a new leader they will never have credibility.

/back to police shooting.

oh no this thread is headed for a total different course with this curve ball thrown...

he doesnt deny it in fact all those people marked as "holocaust deniers" simply doubt the # and the capability of those so called "showers" science and historical facts make a case for them

however at the mere mention of anything like that they immediately get painted as anti-semitic; holocaust deniers; and get thrown in jail

those in power dont want to get this conversation started because they fear how it can turn out (anger, outrage, conflict, etc etc) its simply a bottle they want to keep corked. if you don't sympathize with their concerns and looked at the repercussions those face who wanted to "get down to the bottom of it" you would feel you were in some sort of Big Brother Sci-Fi flick (look at the WW2 Historian David Irving he was considered, even in the trial against him, as the greatest living WW2 historian in terms of his knowledge; he was branded as a Holocaust Denier and thrown in Prison for raising doubts at the "official record" which was also changed)

As an "atheist"; a scientist; a historian; etc etc you would want historical fact to be as accurate as possible Ahmadinejad seeing the fear on this subject simply wanted to stir the proverbial pot and opened a dialogue for the case (if you were completely honest with yourself this act would actually make him look like the Sane man) many Rabbis and Jewish hisotrians, scientists, anthropologists etc attended it wasn't some sort of KKK rally.

/end my furthering of the curve ball :D

[MindBomber]

Ahmadinejad, routinely questions the very existence of the holocaust and on occasion acknowledges it, catering to the audience he is speaking to. Although he claims that he would like a fair and open discussion on the subject, which I would strongly support, Ahmadinejad pursues the subject in a biased manner meant less to academically investigate history than to offend Jews. My statement is easily supported by his routine tangents against Israel when discussing his desire study history. David Irving's pursuits, cannot be compared to those of the Iranian Presidents, because Irving is an academic who methodically supports his statements and has an entirely different motivation.

My desire to have Ahmadinejad's sanity examined is not for his denial of the holocaust, but rather his tendency to outright deny any information that questions his ideals; his instance that Iran is devoid of homosexuals for example.

Again like I said in my previous post, my issue is not with Iran as a nation, my option is to the state or Iran. If I need to explain the difference I will..


As an "atheist"; a scientist; a historian; etc etc you would want historical fact to be as accurate as possible Ahmadinejad seeing the fear on this subject simply wanted to stir the proverbial pot and opened a dialogue for the case (if you were completely honest with yourself this act would actually make him look like the Sane man) many Rabbis and Jewish hisotrians, scientists, anthropologists etc attended it wasn't some sort of KKK rally.

/end my furthering of the curve ball :D

[StylinRed]

oh i agree Ahmadinejad is a total :troll: at times but internally he has to wrestle with the far right (which believe it or not he isn't) and its actually caused him a lot of problems; i think many forget or neglect to realize that there is a very large very powerful extreme right in Iran (moreso than the Ayatollah) that needs to be kept at bay and Ahmadinejad can only do so much without pissing them off and without pissing Khomeni off

like the "student riots" we saw a few years ago they were spurred on actually by a union and other other groups who are a part of the far-far right that Ahmadinejad distanced himself from which caused them to strike and stir the pot of the students etc

That's why during that "election fiasco" the USA didn't support the opposition and even came out to say both leaders are no different really (because the opposition actually was/is more extreme than Ahmadinejad)

internationally he's a :troll: internally he's wrestling with a lot of crap

there was a few threads before ur time where i went on tangents about this and posted up links and articles showing that he's actually trying to reform the country and yet keep the extremists at bay but his trolling garners him 0, ZERO, support and in fact has spurned opposition; it just doesn't help at all except to keep the evening news interesting to watch

KEEP in mind im not saying hes a great and effective leader, im merely trying to say he's not as bad as he's portrayed internationally

[BNR32_Coupe]

A first time offender of drunk driving should get a sentence of 15 years in prison, no exceptions. Whether he hit someone or not. If he/she is caught, 15 years, no exceptions.

Harsh? FUCK NO.

Are you going to wait until they kill someone.. you? Your kid?

I don't care. Why ? Because they don't care.

If you think that sentence is harsh then you a)did not calculate the possibility of this cocksucker hitting you or anyone you care about and 2)are to blame for all the stupid shit people do here and then get slapped on the wrist for.

When is it going to stop? Do people have to keep dying for us to create laws that actually do something?

You could do that, or you could actually step it up and fix the problem.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt, you would KILL any person that kills your wife or your child or your mom or dad.. if you say no, then you're the Dali Lama. If you would kill them, you ought to rethink your argument .




This is not extreme. Perhaps somewhere along the line we forget, the guys doing the chasing.. they're human too.

The shit who ran, did not care about killing the cop, or anyone else on the street. He was doing over 100mph, tell me what kind of control you have over your car at 100mph? Very, very little.. none actually..
taking into account that it was night out, that he was drunk .. his reaction time is at all time lows, lucky no body was on the roads..

Do you know why I'm right in this argument? Because if he killed anybody, and you saw it on that vid, you'd completely agree with me. You'd want him dead too. That is not barbaric, that is called justice. Simple as that.
I don't suggest we kill everyone, but yeah, human shits need to die. I'm tired of faggotry and bullshit and all the shit that people do and then all that happens in return is a slap on the fucking wrist.

The issue is much bigger than this, I don't just have a problem with this guy, my problem lies with everyone.

I see war criminals get 10-15 years in prison.. is that justice..

the only justice that i know is the one that produces a result in which revenge is served and mirrors the punishment of the guilty.

Life isn't a fucking cartoon, we aren't the justice league. Kill these sacks of fucking shit.

Going by your logic, if we kill every person that endangers lives on the road, what the fuck is going to happen to the people of Richmond? You're fucking racist

[GabAlmighty]

Wow you guys are dumb. All he was missing was vtec...

[Arash]

Please skip this post forward as it does not relate to the thread :)

As I clearly stated Arash, its a matter of fucking perspective, I didn't drink any cool aid I just have a different belief system. True a matter of perspective if you have never been to Iran, watch mainstream news and dont know the players behind the world wars.

Lebanon and Turkey both govern their countries with Islamic values, but they don't stone people to death.
The holocaust happened, trying to deny it is a disgrace to the millions of people who died.

Iran has 70 million people with many different ethnicity's and rural small cities. If stoning was used (Im sure in rare cases if any) in the past there was a reason for it, currently the grand Ayatollah has banned that as a sentence forever.
Ahmadinejad, routinely questions the very existence of the holocaust and on occasion acknowledges it, catering to the audience he is speaking to. Although he claims that he would like a fair and open discussion on the subject, which I would strongly support, Ahmadinejad pursues the subject in a biased manner meant less to academically investigate history than to offend Jews. My statement is easily supported by his routine tangents against Israel when discussing his desire study history. David Irving's pursuits, cannot be compared to those of the Iranian Presidents, because Irving is an academic who methodically supports his statements and has an entirely different motivation.

My desire to have Ahmadinejad's sanity examined is not for his denial of the holocaust, but rather his tendency to outright deny any information that questions his ideals; his instance that Iran is devoid of homosexuals for example.

Again like I said in my previous post, my issue is not with Iran as a nation, my option is to the state or Iran. If I need to explain the difference I will..Your comments show that you do not know what he is about, you want to make things fit your "hes evil" notion. Ahmadeenajad's main question of the Holocaust is that if the Nazis committed the Holocaust, why should Palestinians have to suffer.
You think he wants to up one on the jews? Jews live in Iran, jews internationally respect and love Ahmaddeenajad, and they would be offended at your ignorance of thinking Irans leader is a racist.
You are so hook line and sinker in the propaganda games that its not funny MindBomber.
Gays in iran also have more rights then in the western world.

see here
http://www.spike.com/video/transsexuals-in/2719501



.After the big Obama "elections", Iran also hyped the elections but after the loser started talking out of his ass, his supporters grouped on the streets. Not too long ago Obama signed through half a billion dollars to create internal conflict in Iran, so these kind of operations have been going on before most of you were born meaning any of the extreme bus burning, attacking police bases and the famous Neda murder was setup by external powers and what did the western news do? They sensationalized it to serve their own interest, a political one for their owners.

Right now we can take a clip of the London protests and say the country wants a new regime (which in reality they do). Irans population validly and overwhelmingly voted for Ahmadeenijad, anything else is a lie.

- This thread is going way off topic, start another one somewhere and I will continue this debate.

[Hehe]

I think some people get confused for being humanitarian and being right.

Being humanitarian isn't wrong, but one has to consider situations given before making any judgment.

In this chase case, the driver is putting the life of officers in danger+the possibility of further damage if the police let him keep going and continue to chase until they stop in a "humanitarian" way. I see nothing wrong with the police action. They were within their right to shoot.

Imagine today if the story ends the same way (with police shooting the dude down) but adds an additional chapter, the office was in position to shoot, he chose not to use lethal forces, the guy runs away, kills a pedestrian on the way until he was finally stopped and shot.

Who will the society blame? still blame the police of not stopping the dude while they got chance instead of using excessive power. Now, where is any sense of "humanitarian" there?

I think humanitarian is for everyone getting the same treatment despite his condition (a man/party with more power should not exploit one with less), but we can't apply everything out there.

[MindBomber]

I doubt anyone else is interested in another Iran debate, if you'd like to continue to discuss this Arash I would happily do so over pm's. I think you'll be surprised how well versed I am in middle eastern politics if given the chance to discuss it further; I'm far from the masses in the united states educated by fox news.
If you would prefer not to and we end this discussion here, I assure you posts on forums do little to convey my beliefs and these posts are just a small fragment of my opinions on the subject. Your judgements that I've drank crazy cool aid and have been brainwashed by the endless propaganda campaigns are baseless.

Btw.. like you sig lol

/thread back on course...
What was the basis for the officers being put on administrative leave, did the department rule them at fault?

[Arash]

@Hehe
Unfortunately you dont understand the situation, the officer placed him self on the hood of the car and we can talk about what if's all day.
Had that man got away for stealing a 1000 dollar car, maybe he would have raised a child that would cure cancer.

.I prefer to stop :p it wont change the world :)

[El Bastardo]

/thread back on course...
What was the basis for the officers being put on administrative leave, did the department rule them at fault?


I believe its most department's policy's to place officers on leave after a shooting. Sounds more like standard procedure to me.

[maxx]

Ohio just outbadassed Russia

you dont say.. haha

[Arash]

I bet the police man had active duty in the past and felt the chase to be like a stop and kill mission

or my second thought is him always wanting to chase the next high... doing riskier and riskier police work, but this one being over the line.

[JSALES]

holy shit

[The7even]

If you really believed this you'd want Bank CEOs , Pharmaceutical CEOs, Soft Drink CEOs shot and killed more so than anyone else (considering the manipulating and theft of peoples $$; the manipulating and deaths of people due to known faulty meds; the Death squads of Coca~Cola etc)



ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY

YES. I've been saying this for a LONG ass time dude..

I HATE BANKS. I HATE THEM. It's why I'm eager to see what wikileaks will release about Bank of America, etc.

These "people" should be rounded up and burned alive. I'm not kidding.

[gdoh]

holy shit thats bad ass. OP delivers

[GodZilla]

What I dont understand is why at 100kms your still chasing the guy.
You are racing through all kinds of neighbourhoods and any innocent person could have been killed. Yes I know the guy they were chasing started it but I remember in Vancouver when chases got to a certain speed they call it off due to safety concerns.
All they wanted to do was catch this guy at any costs which is wrong. Yes the bad guy got what he deserved but he wasnt the only one who did something wrong.

[johny]

The United States, despite being one of the wealthiest countries in the world has the highest rate of poverty.

Most of you dont understand the multitude of reasons why people have to commit crime in the states. You guys always go to sleep with a full stomach and a roof over your head, but lots of people in America dont have a choice and its not because they are lazy or stupid, its what the system has created.

.

it's because there is too many people. killing the criminals, homeless, and useless people will make the world better for the normal people.

[CanadaGoose]

Brutal, but it's called LAW ENFORCEMENT for a reason.

[nns]

What I dont understand is why at 100kms your still chasing the guy.
You are racing through all kinds of neighbourhoods and any innocent person could have been killed. Yes I know the guy they were chasing started it but I remember in Vancouver when chases got to a certain speed they call it off due to safety concerns.
All they wanted to do was catch this guy at any costs which is wrong. Yes the bad guy got what he deserved but he wasnt the only one who did something wrong.

AFAIK, they weren't going through crowded school zones, side streets, or sidewalks. The lead cop called it early, saying he would stop the guy given the chance, probably a sign that he wanted it to end early rather than let it go on any longer than necessary like OJ Simpson/Rampage Jackson.

So...combination of no immediate danger to public + opportunities to end chase soon = continue pursuit?

[StylinRed]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY

YES. I've been saying this for a LONG ass time dude..

I HATE BANKS. I HATE THEM. It's why I'm eager to see what wikileaks will release about Bank of America, etc.

These "people" should be rounded up and burned alive. I'm not kidding.

:haha: well ok then as long as you're fair :P

[MindBomber]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY

YES. I've been saying this for a LONG ass time dude..

I HATE BANKS. I HATE THEM. It's why I'm eager to see what wikileaks will release about Bank of America, etc.

These "people" should be rounded up and burned alive. I'm not kidding.

Ever considered a Credit Union lol..

[El Bastardo]

Most credit unions in the US are owned or financed by big banks