[Matsuda]

This was brutal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbdareHU4Ik

stuff like this is why a lot of people in BC don't have confidence in our police

[Berzerker]

Wow that Officer should be charged himself.

Bring on the Po Po hate mongers.

Berz out.

[rsx]

Terrible. Even if the suspect wasn't readily complying, a boot to the face is not SOP.

[SumAznGuy]

Generally, I try to side with the police, but in this case it seemed like total blatant excessive force.

The guy was being arrested for driving his truck onto a golf course and firing 2 shots from his shot gun.
Loaded gun and ammo was found in his truck after the arrest though.

Sorry, missed some important info.

He was hired by the golf course to fire the shot gun to scare away the geese.
He has proper paper work to carry the gun and fire the rounds when at work.

He was on disability for head injuries he suffered in a motorcycle accident.

[Matsuda]

The guy was being arrested for driving his truck onto a golf course and firing 2 shots from his shot gun.
Loaded gun and ammo was found in his truck after the arrest though.

that's his job though, I think someone probably saw it and called it in.

[sunny_j]

Generally, I try to side with the police, but in this case it seemed like total blatant excessive force.

The guy was being arrested for driving his truck onto a golf course and firing 2 shots from his shot gun.
Loaded gun and ammo was found in his truck after the arrest though.

i heard on the news he is hired by the golf course to scare away geese

[RRxtar]

^instead of blanketly generally trying to side with the police... why dont you come in with an unbiased and unopinionated clear head and form your own opinions based on your own values?

[Qmx323]

holy fuck

look that the blood pool lol

[ruthless]

^instead of blanketly generally trying to side with the police... why dont you come in with an unbiased and unopinionated clear head and form your own opinions based on your own values?

qft :werd:

[sunny_j]

^instead of blanketly generally trying to side with the police... why dont you come in with an unbiased and unopinionated clear head and form your own opinions based on your own values?

are you asking me?

[Noizz]

holy fuck

look that the blood pool lol

brutal... look how extended the cop's right leg is prior to contact, he definitely wanted to do harm to the guy's face

[knight604]

Can a cop really arrest a person at gunpoint just based off complaints?

[- kT]

Can a cop really arrest a person at gunpoint just based off complaints?

for something serious like shots being fired i'm pretty sure they can, especially if they're sure they've found the right suspect. if you were a cop approaching a suspect who had been called in for firing shots you'd have your gun out too

hope this incident doesn't end up as another one of those administrative leave with pay incidents

also, they barely blurred out the woman who didn't want to be identified. may as well have just left it

[hotong]

wow so much blood

[ynot-llat]

f*uck the police.

round em up, put them up against the wall. blow there heads off.

seriously you have a fucking gun pointed at someones head, you should not feel threatened, you dumbfucks.

the courts should let the victim bootfuck that cop 10 times and call it even.

[Jegz]

FUCK PIGS

[RiceIntegraRS]

Treat and charge that cop for assault like any other normal citizen would be charged if he have done the same thing. Thats the only fair justice that can come out of this case. Why do cops get special privileges and amunities for doing stuff like this

[RRxtar]

are you asking me?
sorry, that was to SumAznGuy, a couple of you snuck posts in before i replied.

[murd0c]

The way the police officer had his gun drawn and made him get out of the vehicle was the correct move since the call in was shots fired and he has to take all precautions since his and everyone else's safety were in jeopardy with calls like that. That kick to the face was very highly uncalled for no questions asked. Yes the suspect wasn't moving as quick as he wanted you can tell but that gives him to right to give him a full boot to the face when he was down on all fours.

I really hope that he gets fired or even charged because that is sick especially finding out that was the suspects job and he's coming off brain damage from a previous accident.

[tegz]

imagine if the victim was a minority lol, racism would be written all over this thread!

[b0unce. [?]]

What thought process would make you come to the conclusion of booting the guy in the face. From the video, it looked like the guy was following the orders, slowly getting to the ground. My guess is the suspect was probably and most likely scared shitless with the gun pointed at this head, so he slowly made his way to the ground not making any sort of quick/sudden moves with so many trigger happy policeman out there. To top things off I mean, the suspect had brain injuries or something.

I'm sure the cop as every reason to point his gun at the suspect hearing reports he had a firearm on him, but I mean, the man came out of his car, followed orders. It's not like the guy got out of the car holding the shotgun in his hand.

[Hondaracer]

shits becoming a motha fuckin police state!

[Xnova86]

the cop will probably get off with paid admin leave.

[ilvtofu]

f*uck the police.

round em up, put them up against the wall. blow there heads off.

seriously you have a fucking gun pointed at someones head, you should not feel threatened, you dumbfucks.

the courts should let the victim bootfuck that cop 10 times and call it even.

FUCK PIGS

You rang for ban?

That is some of the worst pixelation I've seen btw. Hard to argue for the cop judging by the pool of blood and a kick straight out of watching too much wwe perhaps... The man had his hands up from the get go and was cooperating reasonably IMO

[dlo]

Wow, that kick was fucking unnecessary, hopefully the cop get charged for assault instead of their usual admin paid leave..

[geeknerd]

Treat and charge that cop for assault like any other normal citizen would be charged if he have done the same thing. Thats the only fair justice that can come out of this case. Why do cops get special privileges and amunities for doing stuff like this

the whole point of their job is to have special privileges, under certain circumstances they are allowed to do that, hence the investigation. treat the same = arrest all cops for carrying weapons? makes no sense.

[RiceIntegraRS]

the whole point of their job is to have special privileges, under certain circumstances they are allowed to do that, hence the investigation. treat the same = arrest all cops for carrying weapons? makes no sense.

read the last sentence in my post, im talking about the unnecessary force that the cop used and all the other incidences where unnecessary force was used.

[GodZilla]

Some how I didnt know that part of the commands were " down on your stomach or I ll boot you in the face hard and make you bleed "

Near the end of the video why was person shooting the video be able to be up so close without being told to stay back?

[Volvo-brickster]

Meh.

Nothing will come from this.

Cop will lawyer up ( on tax payer's dime )
Lawyer will drag this out for 2+ years in court.
Courts will end up dismissing charges (if any are laid ) due to time elapsed from assault to verdict.
Cop will be on full pay during this time.
Cop will get written reprimand.
Cop will back on the job like nothing happened.

[ToneCapone]

Meh.

Nothing will come from this.

Cop will lawyer up ( on tax payer's dime )
Lawyer will drag this out for 2+ years in court.
Courts will end up dismissing charges (if any are laid ) due to time elapsed from assault to verdict.
Cop will be on full pay during this time.
Cop will get written reprimand.
Cop will back on the job like nothing happened.


I know, straight BS. That cop should get 15 lashes for that stunt.

[Gh0stRider]

Fuck the Police

[G-spec]

if you look really closely it looks like the cop barked orders for suspect to get on the ground, and I guess the suspect didnt move fast enough for the officers liking prompting das boot, good movie btw

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9pfIVDQFFTc/SwQacm4yKXI/AAAAAAAAAMg/z39iwAkNS_M/s1600/Das_Boot_plakat.jpg




but at the same time it's common sense anytime you're dealing with cops, especially when you got a gun pointed at you to do everything calmly and fairly slowly so the officer clearly sees what you're doing and has time to react accordingly. I would honestly rather take a boot to the face than make a speedy gesture that might get me shot.
But this guy's situation, basically the cop put him in one where he couldnt win, and that's not doing your job well as a police officer.

[CanadaGoose]

lol cops are basically their own street gang

except they got the government feeding them cake

watching videos like this isn't even suprising anymore..better do exactly what they say, the second they say it, or you are laying it all out on table for some really nasty consequences. Anyone remember the father who got his face shattered by a police steel baton at some GM place riot, because he was crossing the street to get away from it all and a cop wanted some action?

[GabAlmighty]

Meh.

Nothing will come from this.

Cop will lawyer up ( on tax payer's dime )
Lawyer will drag this out for 2+ years in court.
Courts will end up dismissing charges (if any are laid ) due to time elapsed from assault to verdict.
Cop will be on full pay during this time.
Cop will get written reprimand.
Cop will back on the job like nothing happened.

QFT. And people ask me why I'm very short to anger when it comes to the Police.

[SumAznGuy]

that's his job though, I think someone probably saw it and called it in.

Only thing is that he was on disability leave because of head injuries suffered in a motorcycle accident.

[asahai69]

cops use excessive force all the time. if this wasnt caught on video. none of us would have known.

[SumAznGuy]

^instead of blanketly generally trying to side with the police... why dont you come in with an unbiased and unopinionated clear head and form your own opinions based on your own values?

If this comment was based upon what I said about how I generally side with the police, that is my own opinion based on my own values and how hard their jobs are to protect and serve while most people criticize them and then turns their opinions 180 degree when they need the police's help.

In this case though, I agree with everyone's opinion that this excessive force. The suspect was on his way to the ground and the officer in question runs up and tries for a field goal with the suspects head.

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

cops use excessive force all the time. if this wasnt caught on video. none of us would have known.

are you fucking kidding? these videos are all over youtube and the rest of the internet/news. people that side with pigs, probably never had a piggy do anything to them for no reason therefore they don't know why other ppl hate them so much.

[cheapskate]

I hope that cop gets fired, what he did was absolutely unacceptable and he deserves no second chances whatsoever.

[JSilver]

This in becoming more common now-a-days.

Not surprised. Although disappointing to see every time.

[asahai69]

are you fucking kidding? these videos are all over youtube and the rest of the internet/news. people that side with pigs, probably never had a piggy do anything to them for no reason therefore they don't know why other ppl hate them so much.

im just saying this happens alot more than reported and nothing ever happens to the cop that did it. hell, one of my buddies got his arm broken by one of the VPD's finest not too long ago.

the police are as crooked as the people they say they are against

[spideyv2]

that was fucking brutal, what a dumbass cop. booting someone in the face while they're already on the ground, not opposing a threat? come on son

[geeknerd]

read the last sentence in my post, im talking about the unnecessary force that the cop used and all the other incidences where unnecessary force was used.

was trying to comment on the last sentence.
when alls said and done, given the situation as the cop knows it,

-Shots fired
-Suspect is responding really slow (this is really suspicious for the cop, no?)
-If the suspect showed signs of mental retardness, thats even more scary for the cop. Could be some psychopath on a shooting spree.
-Whats stopping the cop from thinking; "Maybe hes trying to think of a way to draw his gun out and shoot me" I have to get him 'disabled' as quick as i can which called for a kick in the head.
^and i dont know of police protocols but that is why they are having an investigation.

Imagine a black person, a shots fired suspect doing the exact same thing, responding really slow at the cops orders. more justified now eh? (this one could just be the stereotype embedded in my mind due to movies but im sure im not the only one)

Do not bring in the hindsight of him having a permit to shoot guns, and had head injury from a prior motorcycle accident.

[ilvtofu]

It's pretty disappointing to see RS involved in stereotyping police officers. please take your NWA bullshit elsewhere, there are plenty of PO's that actually make an effort to make the city a better place and don't just power trip. 99% of the shit you see online about cops is just police brutality, you are full of shit if you think all cops are just in some elite gang out there to harm or piss off citizens

[bengy]

was trying to comment on the last sentence.
when alls said and done, given the situation as the cop knows it,

-Shots fired
-Suspect is responding really slow (this is really suspicious for the cop, no?)
-If the suspect showed signs of mental retardness, thats even more scary for the cop. Could be some psychopath on a shooting spree.
-Whats stopping the cop from thinking; "Maybe hes trying to think of a way to draw his gun out and shoot me" I have to get him 'disabled' as quick as i can which called for a kick in the head.
^and i dont know of police protocols but that is why they are having an investigation.

Imagine a black person, a shots fired suspect doing the exact same thing, responding really slow at the cops orders. more justified now eh? (this one could just be the stereotype embedded in my mind due to movies but im sure im not the only one)

Do not bring in the hindsight of him having a permit to shoot guns, and had head injury from a prior motorcycle accident.

Wow, pretty retarded thinking. What do you think takes the cop less time and effort to do? Boot a guy in the head if he tries to pull out a gun, or put a clip in him from his handgun??? Duuuurrrrr!!!

[Tegra_Devil]

damn, im came in here to defend the police officer since i expected this to be like the other
'excessive force' videos, which shows the person being arrested totally deserving the force....

but damn...that come fucked up bad...he should have the book thrown at him without a doubt..

but this doesnt mean all cops are like this guys, there are bad apples in every job, culture, association...etc

[CanadaGoose]

I can see how dealing with scumbags day in, day out will turn anyone into a jaded, pistol toting, shit kicker law enforcer.

It's hard...on the one hand you could be alll courteous and 'soft', and one day maybe you'll pay for it when a perp take advantage of that and tries to make a move on you....and on the other hand you can be all POLICE STATE, bootfuck you for breaking the law, and just shitkick everyone in your path who doesn't have a glowing halo floating over their head, and create public distrust - but you're safe, you're comrades are safe, and you all get to go home at the end of the day. What do you do?

[FerrariEnzo]

just hope that he doesnt get suspended with pay.. that would suck big time..

[RRxtar]

exactly. bad cops might make up 1% of cops out there... unfortunately the way the media and society work, the bad 1% make 100% of the news.

you dont see videos on youtube and threads on revscene about cops endangering their lives raiding drug houses, or pulling drunk drivers off the road, or anything positive unless its some Hollywood type swat operation.

[ws6ta]

well this guy will be getting a nice settlement

[LengJai]

1 point taken away for kicking a downed opponent.

[asdfpic]

well this guy will be getting a nice settlement

cept it wouldn't be much use if that kick further disabled him from his previous brain injury

[geeknerd]

Wow, pretty retarded thinking. What do you think takes the cop less time and effort to do? Boot a guy in the head if he tries to pull out a gun, or put a clip in him from his handgun??? Duuuurrrrr!!!

so the cop should just wait till the risk has escalated to the point where shooting is acceptable? lol

obviously shooting is not an option as he was trying to make it so.
giving a full booting in the head might've not been the best way but i think it was a considerable option.

Do u think its best for the cop to give benefit of doubt and let him slowly respond to the orders?

leaving out all the hindsight,
no one else feels that
shots fired + suspect is slow at responding = a high threat that needs to be nutralized immediately?

[RRxtar]

^ except, in my non professional opinion (similar to EVERYONE in this thread), the arrest has already passed the highest threat stage. he has the suspect out of the truck and on his hands and knees. the suspect had already cooperated with getting out of the truck which is the most dangerous part.

at what point would a kick to the head be unjustified? im sure some of you guys could make an argument when hes cuffed laying flat out on his stomach, if the cop booted him in the head, it was still justifiable.

[impulse777]

[QUOTE=geeknerd;7256963]
Do not bring in the hindsight of him having a permit to shoot guns[QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that the exact reason for the longgun/shotgun registry.

Here I'm thinking we're all safe in the knowledge that the police have all the info they could ever want from or about law abiding citizens who are legally permitted to posess,carry and use firearms.

Didn't we just spend 2 billion dollars ensuring that a simple computer check on any of the following name/address or plate number can verify on the spot the document(s) that this victim has everyright to go about his profession.

I like how the rcmp took the guy for an mri the following day only after the vid started going viral. I wish the vid had been held back just so we could have been lied to by again by the rcmp's PR spin doctors, Only to laugh as they have to back pedal when the vid came out just like they did over the airport arrest/murder. :rolleyes:

[RiceIntegraRS]

so the cop should just wait till the risk has escalated to the point where shooting is acceptable? lol

obviously shooting is not an option as he was trying to make it so.
giving a full booting in the head might've not been the best way but i think it was a considerable option.

Do u think its best for the cop to give benefit of doubt and let him slowly respond to the orders?

leaving out all the hindsight,
no one else feels that
shots fired + suspect is slow at responding = a high threat that needs to be nutralized immediately?

No one feels that way. Why? cause the cop has his gun drawn at the suspect and he has backup. Hes in complete control of the entire situation. Theres is no possible way the cop is in any risk of getting hurt, even if the suspect has any type of weapon on him cause it takes a split second for the cop to pull the trigger.

[jeffh]

nope, suicide bomber coulda still fucked him up


normally im a pro cop, and let them do there job kinda guy
but this one is too much for me even

if he kicked him in the spine i would have been ok with it, as at least that is in the direction you want the guy to go

[RRxtar]

more details


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shj2_5zJ9yw

[asahai69]

I wish I could kick a dude in the face and get suspended with pay....... Complete bullshit
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

[nns]

Something to think about regarding suspension with pay (it's a part of the BC Police Act):

Member's reassignment or suspension pending investigation and hearing
110 (1) If a member is being investigated under this Division or as a result of an allegation that the member committed an offence under a federal or provincial enactment, the discipline authority for that member may, until the completion of the investigation, reassign, transfer or suspend the member, if both of the following apply:

(a) the discipline authority considers that

(i) reassignment, transfer or suspension of the member is needed to protect other members or other persons from the risk of harm,

(ii) failure to reassign, transfer or suspend the member is likely to discredit the reputation of the municipal police department, or

(iii) there are reasonable grounds to believe that the member is incapable of carrying out her or his regular duties as a constable;

(b) the discipline authority considers that there is no reasonable alternative available to reassignment, transfer or suspension.

(2) During a period of suspension from duty, the member must not exercise powers as a municipal constable, chief constable or deputy chief constable and must not wear the uniform or use the equipment of the municipal police department.

(3) At the earliest opportunity, and in any event within 10 business days after the suspension, the discipline authority must decide whether the suspension is to continue in effect or is to be rescinded with or without conditions.

(4) Unless subsection (5) applies, a member under suspension for a period within which that member, if not suspended, would have worked one or more days must receive her or his pay and allowances for the number of days that she or he could have worked during the period of suspension had the suspension not been imposed.

(5) If at any time the board decides that it is in the public interest, the board may require that a suspension under subsection (1) be without pay or may discontinue the pay and allowances of the member under suspension.

(6) Before the board makes a decision under subsection (5), the board must give the member an opportunity to be heard by

(a) notifying the member in writing of the member's right to request, within 5 business days after receiving the notification, an opportunity to be heard, and

(b) giving the member the opportunity to be heard within 20 business days of receiving the request under paragraph (a).

(7) If the board makes a decision under subsection (5), the board must give the member concerned written reasons for the decision.

(8) The board may reconsider a decision under subsection (5) at any time.

(9) A member must receive her or his full pay and allowances for any unpaid period of suspension if all of the following apply:

(a) the suspension related to an investigation resulting from an allegation that she or he committed an offence under a federal or provincial enactment;

(b) the member is either acquitted of all charges in proceedings before a criminal court or the charges are withdrawn, stayed or otherwise not proceeded with;

(c) no disciplinary or corrective measures are taken in relation to the member for the acts or omissions that constituted the alleged offence.
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/00_96367_01#section110

I think the RCMP have something similar...

[adambomb]

Well, the cop got suspended with pay. :whistle:


According to the RCMP, a Kelowna Mountie will be suspended with pay while being investigated for use of excessive force after he was caught on video giving a soccer style boot to Tavares’s head.

Meanwhile outrage built to a fever pitch online Monday as Facebook users demanded criminal charges against the undercover officer, identified in reports as Constable Geoff Mantler.


Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/Mounties+suspend+Kelowna+officer+controversial+ass ault+case/4086925/story.html#ixzz1Agmok0hi

[acrophobia]

I went to school with the officer/punter and he was a really nice kid. I guess the "reprogramming" that happens in training, and dealing with undesirables all day can take its toll awfully quickly.

[bengy]

Something to think about regarding suspension with pay (it's a part of the BC Police Act):


http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/00_96367_01#section110

I think the RCMP have something similar...

Sorry to bust your police dick riding babble, but I'm not reading all that shite. :fullofwin:

[nns]

Did I say precede my previous post with something like, "Will bengy, the idiot lovechild of diarrhea and vomit, please read the following so that you may finally unlock IQ level above 20"...? Did I say something like that?

No, I did not. Hence, you are in no way shape or form obligated to read all that "shite". That "shite" already in your head clearly has you working OT.

[benwang]

what would happen if the incident was not taped?

[RRxtar]

the guy who got booted in the head speaks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaBNHfW-Qo

[red_2]

^
wow his eye is fucked up!

[RiceIntegraRS]

what would happen if the incident was not taped?

"Cops apprehended suspect believed to be armed and dangerous after a 911 call was placed saying that shots were fired at a near by golf course. When the cops pulled over the suspect he was not compliant and was resisting arrest. Hes been takin to the nearby hospital for minor injuries during the brief scuffle"

[ilvtofu]

He looks like he's in good spirits from that video which is nice to know

[RRxtar]

interview with the guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NEMnDdBRTc


i feel so bad for the guy. after what hes gone thru. it has to be so hard for him getting back into life after his accident..

[!Yaminashi]

Damn, I hope that cop loses his job for sure...We DO NOT need cops like that
This is an embarassment to law enforcement everywhere

[FishTaco]

lets not forget what this guy did. he was disgruntled at his job shooting his shotgun. if he didnt get kicked in the face, people would just think hes a piece of shit and he would be in jail. but since he was involved in police brutality, now everyone is feeling bad for this guy and totally forget what even started this off to begin with.

on another note, i live in kelowna so im happy that cop is fucking finished.

[bengy]

lets not forget what this guy did. he was disgruntled at his job shooting his shotgun. if he didnt get kicked in the face, people would just think hes a piece of shit and he would be in jail. but since he was involved in police brutality, now everyone is feeling bad for this guy and totally forget what even started this off to begin with.

on another note, i live in kelowna so im happy that cop is fucking finished.

If he didn't get kicked in the face we wouldn't even know about this guy.

[El Bastardo]

Anyone who has been licensed to own and operate firearms knows that the shotgun was being carried improperly. While it doesn't excuse the actions taken to subdue the guy it lends an explanation for their heightened diligence.

Despite him being allowed to own and operate a shotgun, he was doing it improperly which -is- a crime

[RRxtar]

how was he transporting it improperly? as a non restricted fire arm i believe it only needs to be out of sight and with a trigger lock.

[ilvtofu]

I believe it needs to be kept in the trunk, that's what my dad told me when he got his license over 20 years ago though. However it is completely irrelevant. they found the gun after the guy booted him

[adambomb]

If you get a chance to see the video again, you will notice that the shotgun had a trigger lock on it when a uniformed officer removed it from the vehicle.

As far as transportation goes, the gun and the ammunition cannot be in the same compartment. So if you're driving along, the ammo has to be in the cabin of your car while the gun is in your trunk or vice-versa.

You CANNOT have both items within arms reach of the driver.

[PiuYi]

that was some shitty censoring of the granny

[Deziwoo]

according to Canadian Firearms Law, for transportation of a Non restricted firearms (and the shotgun in this case is non restricted) is that it must be unloaded. That is the only law, if you are physically present in the vehicle, the law does not deal with ammunition in the case of transportation.

http://firearms-safety-course.com/images/plain.pdf

[underscore]

That definitely looks like excessive force to me, for the time being I'm gonna side with the officer being out of line here, but of course you never know what was said by either party, or what looks to have been removed from the video. There's definitely a lot missing as of right now.

If you get a chance to see the video again, you will notice that the shotgun had a trigger lock on it when a uniformed officer removed it from the vehicle.

The officer may have added that before removing it for safety, the report at the end of all this should say.

[JSALES]

I hope the officer gets charged, cops always seem to abuse the power they have and usually get away with it

[cody69]

New slogan for the RCMP for Recruiting

"Kick-Start you career"


....too soon?

[RRxtar]

Internal review conducted by Abbotsford Police Department is announcing that a charge of assault causing bodily harm will be recommended.


http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-59514--.htm#59514



Those of you who "side with the cops", can now get off your high horse, because even the cops say the cop was out of line.

[RRxtar]

cop has history


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZlTGdnFt4

[TOPEC]

cop has history


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZlTGdnFt4

motherfuker should be tied up and everyone gets to boot his face

[PJ]

I just came in here to express my hate for douchebag cops who got bullied in high school and pulling stunts like this to make themselves feel big.
I'm usually a friendly loving person.
So call me ignorant, but I just hate 99% of cops.
That is all. :)