[Manic!]

Stupid Americans

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Arizona congresswoman among 18 shot at Tucson grocery




Six people were killed and 12 others wounded -- including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- in a shooting outside a Tucson, Arizona, grocery store where the congresswoman was holding a constituent meeting, police said.

The suspect in the shooting was in custody, according to U.S. Capitol Police, who did not identify the alleged gunman.

Darci Slaten, a spokeswoman for University Medical Center in Tucson, said Giffords, 40, was undergoing surgery Saturday afternoon for a gunshot wound to the head.

Local law enforcement officials have not provided a public accounting of the injuries, but President Obama called the shooting an "unspeakable tragedy," and said "some have passed away," according to a statement from the White House. He said Giffords was "gravely wounded."

A federal judge from Arizona was among the victims, though the judge's condition was unknown, a law enforcement source told CNN.

The shooting happened shortly after 10 a.m. MST at a Safeway grocery store, Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan said.

Giffords, 40, was holding a constituent meeting at the store when the shooting occurred, according to a schedule posted on her website.

An FBI spokesman said the agency was sending agents to the scene, and two senior Obama administration officials said the White House is monitoring the situation. They said they believed that a congressional staffer may have been killed.

Pictures from the scene showed a Giffords banner hanging from the storefront.

At least two victims with gunshot wounds were transported at Northwest Medical Center, according to spokesman Richard Parker.

The motive for the shooting is unclear, Ogan said.

"We're just trying to sort this out right now," he said.

An employee of a nearby business, Jason Pekau, told CNN that he did not see the shooting, but heard "15 to 20 gunshots."

Giffords, a Democrat, was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.

She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.

She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station.

Obama said information about the shooting was continuing to flow in.

"We do not yet have all the answers," he said. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

House Speaker John Boehner said he was "horrified" by the shooting.

"An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," he said. "Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

CNN's Dana Bash and Nick Valencia contributed to this report.

[Manic!]

Video made my shooter:
right to bear arms

and check this out:

http://i.imgur.com/84zM9.jpg

[will068]

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[MindBomber]

Despite being shot in the head, the congresswoman is alive and currently recovering from surgery in the intensive care unit of a hospital in her district. The bullet went through her brain, but the surgeon is very optimistic given the situation.

Currently 6 of the 18 victims have been killed, among the dead is a 9 year old girl.

If only this would make Americans realize, the right to keep and bear arms is a dated relic of their revolutionary war.

[El Bastardo]

If only this would make Americans realize, the right to keep and bear arms is a dated relic of their revolutionary war.



Its too late now. If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.
There are far too many weapons available in the United States to repeal the second amendment without complete chaos. What they need is better screening for the mentally unfit. The Virginia Tech massacre is a perfect example of this.

Right now there are millions of weapons in the possession of Americans who are responsible owners. You don't see them going on killing sprees.

[!LittleDragon]

Arizona.... I have a feeling it's got more to do with some angry illegal immigrant over the new immigration laws

[adambomb]

FoxNews: "There is no indication that this is a terrorist attack."
Read: The suspect is not muslim. :speechless:


Media reports identified the suspected gunman as Jared Loughner, 22, of Arizona. :gun:






And those pics Manic! posted. Well...

"In the minutes following the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and members of her staff, the website operated by Sarah Palin that illustrated Gifford's 8th district with gun crosshairs drawn on a map was scrubbed from the internet."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-warmowski/following-giffords-shooti_b_806248.html

[jaguar604]

Photo of 9-year-old shooting victim Christina Taylor Greene, who was born on on September 11, 2001.

http://i.imgur.com/eEqcD.jpg

RIP to all that have died.

Disgusting stuff from Sarah Palin. Apparently she tweeted “don’t retreat, reload”, but was quickly deleted. Plus those Sarah Palin websites.. wow... just wow..

[hal0g0dv2]

wow man that is brutal
RIP

[MindBomber]

Rest in Peace, she's a beautiful little girl whose had her chance at life stolen.

Her picture has me at the brink of tears, my deepest condolences to her family.

[cheapskate]

It's not stupid Americans, it's stupid Republicans. You don't see Democrats bringing guns to Republican political rallies and threatening Republican nominees.

The Republicans of today are so fucking stupid and ideological that they are nothing like the Republicans of old. Traditional Conservatives believed in conservatism insofar as to preserve traditions that worked, that is, their focus was on pragmatism, on reality. They did not abhor change like the Republican bigots of today. Traditional Conservatives understood the need for change and improvement, what they were afraid of was what they termed "revolution"- that is, drastic change based on unproven utopian dreams i.e. Communism. The key point is that the Republican Party and Traditional Conservatism was built around pragmatism, anchored in reality.

Today's Republicans and Tea Party fundamentals are nothing like the Conservatives of yore. They are imbeciles and bigots and have been manipulated by the elite to vote for policies that serve only the ultra-rich, typified by the Republican Party's zealous pursuit in cutting taxes. Republicans have become so ideological that they've lost complete touch with reality. The policies they support have nothing to do with "good governance" or preserving the "delicate social fabric," cornerstones of Traditional Conservatism. Modern Republicans are dangerously simple minded. Their modus-operandi is: "government is evil" and "less government is the best government;" regardless of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Anyone that disagrees are "unpatriotic," "against liberty," hippies, or worse "liberals." This overly simplistic ideology mixed with the daily hate-filled vitriol coming from the likes of Glen Beck, Bill O'Riely and Fox News et. al. is a dangerous and frightening combination. (There is already preliminary evidence indicating that this was a politically motivated assassination in that the shooter was staunchly anti-healthcare reform while the Democratic victims supported the bill) With the current political landscape in mind, I suspect there will be a lot more politically motivated violence in the near future.

[StylinRed]

i heard just the congresswoman died, this was like an hour after it happend.. wow

i thought thag maybe it had something to do with that former Regan and Bush administration member that was murdered last week? since both he and thw congressman sat on some military boards... i was thinking conspiracy

but now it looks like this case has to do with Palin Fanatics....

shouldnt this be dubbed as terrorism ?



RIP to the deceased
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[SoulCrusher]

So good to see a 22 year old so enthusiastically exercising his 2nd amendment. God bless America!
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[MindBomber]

^ Fixed.

So good to see a 22 year old so enthusiastically exercising his 2nd amendment. God bless America!
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[metal]

What did you fix...you just quoted him.

[cheapskate]

shouldnt this be dubbed as terrorism ?
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In the Land of the Free, only Muslims can be categorized as terrorists.

[StylinRed]

Was watching CNN and some Republican congressman was defending Palin and was painting the shooter as an American hating Communist Fascist "he read Karl Marx and read Hitler and burned the American Flag"

[kayceeee]

What did you fix...you just quoted him.

Fixed the username to sarah palin lol
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[The_AK]

So is there more information on the shooter?

Rest in Peace, she's a beautiful little girl whose had her chance at life stolen.

Her picture has me at the brink of tears, my deepest condolences to her family.

A little over the top, no?

[StylinRed]

his hormones are acting up must be that time of the month

[LiquidTurbo]

Mindbomber, people die all the time including childeren. Yes it's sad, but it's nothing new.

[MindBomber]

The gun was wrestled away from the shooter by a woman who had already been shot.

What did you fix...you just quoted him.

look again, at the top of the quote.

Mindbomber, people die all the time including childeren. Yes it's sad, but it's nothing new.
A little over the top, no?

I know people die all the time, there are dozens of kids in childrens hospital as we speak, but she looks a lot like my niece, so it got to me. No shame in that.

[The_AK]

^understandable

[StylinRed]

Fixed the username to sarah palin lol
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look again, at the top of the quote.


lol i totally missed that too was just concentrating on the msg

[Senna4ever]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.girl/index.html?hpt=T2

[EmperorIS]

that 9 year old girl really born on September 11, 2001? or u jsut trolling ?

[optiblue]

RIP :(

[El Bastardo]

Like I said before; The Second Amendment isn't a bad thing. Guns aren't evil or bad, just some of the people who get a hold of them.

This is Jared Loughner's YouTube channel, and one of the videos in which he was involved

http://www.youtube.com/Classitup10#p/u

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw



Should this man own guns? No

[MindBomber]

Like I said before; The Second Amendment isn't a bad thing. Guns aren't evil or bad, just some of the people who get a hold of them.
Should this man own guns? No

The second amendment is what ensures American's have access to the guns, including the ones that shouldn't have them.

If access to guns was restricted to the extent that people were not allowed to physically own them, instead only rent them from the government for hunting and sport purposes it would be much more difficult for people like this to gain access to them. If people were only allowed to rent guns for sporting purposes, it would be impossible to add to the pool of illegal weapons available to criminals and lunatics through domestic sources. A decrease in the pool of guns available will raise the price of illegal guns dramatically, limiting those who have access to them and in turn decreasing gun violence in Canada.

Yes, I know many of the guns in the hands of criminals come in through the border, but every little bit helps.

just my opinion..

[dangonay]

I don't get why everytime someone goes off and does something like this that people have to look at their background and start drawing some sort of connection between their beliefs and their actions.

Here's an idea. Instead of looking at their political, religious or other affiliations, why not look at the one that really counts: they're part of the group of fucking lunatic psychopaths.

Stupid politicians saying it's somehow Palin's fault because she used crosshairs on her website are fucking idiots. What's next, saying all Muslims are violent and prone to becoming suicide bombers because of a few lunatics that do? Oh wait.... Assholes trying to take a horrible situation and use it for their own political gain or to take a shot at the opposition. Truly pathetic.

And taking away guns won't do a damn thing. People like this who want to wreak havoc have so many alternatives to use if they didn't have guns. Look at Timothy McVeigh. He didn't use a gun.

[!LittleDragon]

Sometimes they're just crazy. Hinkley, the guy who shot President Reagan... who would've guessed that he wanted to impress Jodie Foster?

[MindBomber]

While I agree with you that politicians trying to take advantage of the situation for their own political gain is sickening, I don't agree with the rest of what you said.

Something indoctrinates and triggers people who commit horrible actions like this, mass shooters aren't born with a hatred of democratic politicians, they're given that hatred and those ideas by extremists. People like Rush Limbaugh, a man who spouts factually incorrect dogma over the airwaves, create an environment where someone with slight instabilities can evolve to a become a mass shooter. That's why many countries with more sensible governments than the U.S. outlaw media like fox news.


Stupid politicians saying it's somehow Palin's fault because she used crosshairs on her website are fucking idiots. What's next, saying all Muslims are violent and prone to becoming suicide bombers because of a few lunatics that do? Oh wait.... Assholes trying to take a horrible situation and use it for their own political gain or to take a shot at the opposition. Truly pathetic.

[Manic!]

Like I said before; The Second Amendment isn't a bad thing. Guns aren't evil or bad, just some of the people who get a hold of them.



The second amendment was passed in 1791. Laws need to keep up with the times. at one point it was illegal to secretly record audio record of someone but it was 100% legal to record video.

If the Federal Assault Weapons Ban was still in effect the shooter would not have been able to purchase an extended clip and a lot less people would have died.

[2damaxmr2]

The second amendment was passed in 1791. Laws need to keep up with the times. at one pont it was illegal to secretly recod audio record of someone but it was 100% legal to record video.

If the Federal Assault Weapons Ban was still in effect the shooter would not have been able to purchase an extended clip and a lot less people would have died.

"extended clip" /facepalm. If you don't know any about guns shut up before i post that video about the barrel shroud.

[scottsman]

The states are so fucked. Apparently the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket that little girls funeral.

[Lomac]

I don't get why everytime someone goes off and does something like this that people have to look at their background and start drawing some sort of connection between their beliefs and their actions.

Here's an idea. Instead of looking at their political, religious or other affiliations, why not look at the one that really counts: they're part of the group of fucking lunatic psychopaths.

Stupid politicians saying it's somehow Palin's fault because she used crosshairs on her website are fucking idiots. What's next, saying all Muslims are violent and prone to becoming suicide bombers because of a few lunatics that do? Oh wait.... Assholes trying to take a horrible situation and use it for their own political gain or to take a shot at the opposition. Truly pathetic.

And taking away guns won't do a damn thing. People like this who want to wreak havoc have so many alternatives to use if they didn't have guns. Look at Timothy McVeigh. He didn't use a gun.

You kidding? Obviously the fact that he listened to Marilyn Manson was the reason why he did it... lol

But yeah, I agree.

[Senna4ever]

The states are so fucked. Apparently the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket that little girls funeral.

Why the hell would they do such a thing??

[Manic!]

Why the hell would they do such a thing??

To get on TV.

[El Bastardo]

Here's an idea. Instead of looking at their political, religious or other affiliations, why not look at the one that really counts: they're part of the group of fucking lunatic psychopaths.



Who is more likely to have members ready to commit murder? A group of people who dress up in Quiddich costumes and have Harry Potter re-enactments or a white supremest Nazi group?

[MindBomber]

Why the hell would they do such a thing??

They believe she was killed as a punishment from god, because gay people exist.

"extended clip" /facepalm. If you don't know any about guns shut up before i post that video about the barrel shroud.

Why is knowing the proper technical terminology for guns necessary to weigh in on an anti-gun discussion?

[goo3]

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Regardless of whether this caused anything or not, doesn't this seem kind of high schoolish? You'd expect "leaders" to act more grown up, no? How old is Palin.. 45-50? LOL WTF?

[Arash]

Watching his videos, this guy wants people to be literate so that they can understand their rights, rights which they dont know or understand which are higher then the law.
He wants us to dream about being in control of our own currency, and it looks like he's giving a grammar lesson all the while telling you to communicate in new ways and to recognize the system.
Oh and he says people are brain washed.

[midnight_r]

that 9 year old girl really born on September 11, 2001? or u jsut trolling ?

that poor little girl was born on sept 11, 01....
crazy shit man..

[dangonay]

While I agree with you that politicians trying to take advantage of the situation for their own political gain is sickening, I don't agree with the rest of what you said.

Something indoctrinates and triggers people who commit horrible actions like this, mass shooters aren't born with a hatred of democratic politicians, they're given that hatred and those ideas by extremists. People like Rush Limbaugh, a man who spouts factually incorrect dogma over the airwaves, create an environment where someone with slight instabilities can evolve to a become a mass shooter. That's why many countries with more sensible governments than the U.S. outlaw media like fox news.

Cut the bullshit. What are you, party whip for the Dems? People with "slight instabilities"? Are you kidding? So we potentially have millions of Americans who are on the verge of committing mass murder and only need someone to properly motivate them with a good speech before they head on out?

You are just as bad as the politicians trying to use this for their own gain.

Countires with "sensible governments"? Which countires specifically do this? I'd love to move to a country where the government controls what you can and can't listen to or watch, instead of letting people choose for themselves.

[Jayhall]

The states are so fucked. Apparently the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket that little girls funeral.

you got a link??

[Graeme S]

you got a link??
Quite a few news agencies have mentioned it.

While it is the "god hates fags" church, it seems to me from their record that they only seek to incite anger on themselves so that they can get people to attack them and then they can sue.

Almost all the members of the church are part of their extended family, and a great number of them are lawyers. Who needs a job when you can just scan the news and protest once every 3 months to get a multi-thousand dollar payout.

[scottsman]

www.cnn.com

[MindBomber]

Psychological instabilities can be triggered or worsened by environmental factors, such as a crazy news anchor who insists the President of the United States was born in Kenya. Did I say that the shooter was not an extreme case, no I didn't; the birther movement in the United States is an example of what I am referring too.

Countries like Germany outlaw hate speech that have the potential to insight violence, while still protecting freedom of speech. For example, in Germany you can't scream "God hates Fags" at funerals, but you can question the Government. There's a huge difference between restricting freedom of speech for the protection of select social groups and eliminating it like China or North Korea have.

Cut the bullshit. What are you, party whip for the Dems? People with "slight instabilities"? Are you kidding? So we potentially have millions of Americans who are on the verge of committing mass murder and only need someone to properly motivate them with a good speech before they head on out?

You are just as bad as the politicians trying to use this for their own gain.

Countires with "sensible governments"? Which countires specifically do this? I'd love to move to a country where the government controls what you can and can't listen to or watch, instead of letting people choose for themselves.

[Yuffa]

On other news...she is now breathing on her own with 101% survival rate...=)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/
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[Graeme S]

On other news...she is now breathing on her own with 101% survival rate...=)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/
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The issue with survival is how much functionality she'll have afterwards.

I wonder how much mental acuity she lost. Her husband's an astronaut and she used to be a social worker who has now become a Senator. She's lost a lot, here's hoping she hasn't lost it all.

[Manic!]

The issue with survival is how much functionality she'll have afterwards.
she used to be a social worker

She actually ran her family's tire company until she sold it to Good Year.

[MindBomber]

^ I heard she was a social worker as well...