[adambomb]

Dozens of angry Asian residents of a posh, University of B.C., highrise building aim to stage a placard-waving protest rally to protest a 15-bed hospice being planned next door.

"We cannot have dying people in our backyard,” said rally organizer Janet Fan.


“My kids and I are going to feel so frightened and angry just to think there are dying people so close to us.”




:haha: :devil: :eek5r:






Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/business/Angry+Asian+condo+owners+protest+luck+hospice/4100264/story.html#ixzz1AtggBr1W

[Qmx323]

I agree with them, who the fuck wants to live next to a building filled with dieing people?

[dinamix]

Who gives a fuck ..they're not bothering anybody ...these people are dying for fucksakes..let them live in peace..take your superstition and shove it up ur ass..this ain't no Bruce lee movie ... Greedy ass fucks..
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[twitchyzero]

Who gives a fuck ..they're not bothering anybody ...these people are dying for fucksakes..let them live in peace..take your superstition and shove it up ur ass..this ain't no Bruce lee movie ... Greedy ass fucks..
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while i agree with you...it's a matter of cultural clash. Asians are annoyingly superstitious. If i saved up for a $1M condo unit i'd appreciate it if i knew the hospice was planning to be built in my community..not to find out from an open house. They don't exactly need a hospice on campus IMO..but i guess it is a nice neigbourhood.

[Spectre_Cdn]

“We believe that people dying outside will bring us bad luck,” she added. “I’m very angry and upset. If I had known it was going to be a hospice, I wouldn’t buy it for half the price.”

Her neighbour Anglea Gao, 34, clutching her nine-month-old son Ryan, agreed.

“It’s very disturbing,” she said. “My kids and I are going to feel so frightened and angry just to think there are dying people so close to us.”

...

‘Death is the Yin and ‘Live’ is the Yang,” it read. “If the Yin and Yang are near to each other, ‘Death’ will bring bad luck, meaning sickness and even death . . . The ghosts of the dead will invade and harass the living.”

The letter said Asians believe that living next to “death” would “lead to failure of business, the loss of money, the break of marriage and family, and the healthy growing up of children will be affected.”


:speechless:
Way to educate their children about death... With this kind of belief, it must be taboo to live near a hospital too, since people die there.

[rsx]

If you grew up with these beliefs, it's hard to just let it happen, especially when it comes to money and luck.

[MindBomber]

A hospice is in many ways a sacred place, they are the final bit of salvation given to terminally ill patients as the approach death; the doctors and nurses who staff them are nothing less than heroes for their fortitude. Its important that hospices be strategically located, UBC for example, so patients can be close to their loved ones in their final days and to ensure the least stress possible is put on family members. If you've ever volunteered in a hospice or visited one you'll understand what I'm saying and agree with me.

[adambomb]

I can't wait to see all the engrish on the placards at the protest. :thumbsup:

[MindBomber]

while i agree with you...it's a matter of cultural clash. Asians are annoyingly superstitious. If i saved up for a $1M condo unit i'd appreciate it if i knew the hospice was planning to be built in my community..not to find out from an open house. They don't exactly need a hospice on campus IMO..but i guess it is a nice neigbourhood.

read my post and you might understand why one is being built at UBC.

[Qmx323]

Who gives a fuck ..they're not bothering anybody ...these people are dying for fucksakes..let them live in peace..take your superstition and shove it up ur ass..this ain't no Bruce lee movie ... Greedy ass fucks..
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I agree with your first part but not so much about the last part.

Its culture and superstition, although they should be held separately, Asian cultures kind of mix them into one.

Its like how Asians don't care much for "North American" superstitions.

Also my first post was vaguely construed and somewhat trolling and for that I apologize :fullofwin:

Just trying to kick off the conversation :)

[El Bastardo]

They don't exactly need a hospice on campus IMO..


The nursing students will disagree

Edit:

And the residents. Some people in hospice are either exposed to the same people day in and day out while the staff gets to experience the world and interact with many different people. Hospice patients don't get the benefit of that and being exposed to students with positive attitudes can have an excellent effect on them.

Come to think about it, a university is the best place for a hospice.

[Jsunu]

I agree with them, who the fuck wants to live next to a building filled with dieing people?

It is way more than just a place filled with dying people, its mothers, fathers, siblings who want to pass in best and more dignified/painless way.

To be honest:

The wishes of the dying > fucking supersitious homeowners. I way more sympathetic of the former than the latter.

[Presto]

So, they'd be happier living next to a halfway house, instead? :troll:

[adambomb]

Its like how Asians don't care much for "North American" superstitions.





So why should UBC planners care about asian superstitions? :hotbaby:

[Qmx323]

^ They clearly don't if they already planned, built and had an open house about it.

[MindBomber]

^Is that supposed to be surprising.. this is Canada not an Asian country.

[Nlkko]

Maybe they needed one on campus for whatever the hell reason but they shouldn't fvck with those rich Asian in the first place either. Tallk all you want but there are cultural differences and the older the person the more superstitious he/she is. It's almost natural for Asian.

I don't think you can sell a $1million suite and then later build a hospice next to it and claims "there’s no evidence that a hospice reduces property values." That's shady business.

The way I see it, those people are gonna get refunded. I don't agree with some Asian family feels the need to live on campus--nice hood okay but it's still a campus for god sake--but they aren't coming from a bad ground on this either. The university is shooting itself in the foot for being so greedy.

And it's maybe Canada but it's still.. Kongkouver.

[v.Rossi]

‘Death is the Yin and ‘Live’ is the Yang,” it read. “If the Yin and Yang are near to each other, ‘Death’ will bring bad luck, meaning sickness and even death . . . The ghosts of the dead will invade and harass the living.”

The letter said Asians believe that living next to “death” would “lead to failure of business, the loss of money, the break of marriage and family, and the healthy growing up of children will be affected.”

When you believe in shit like this, your opinion means jack shit.
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[Qmx323]

^Is that supposed to be surprising.. this is Canada not an Asian country.


You would think for a school that has a majority of "Asian" students with a large chunk of the campus area Condo's owned by Asians would think of a better way to deliver the news then to just do an Open House?

Lets look at this from a business standpoint.

In the end its all about the money, and there is a huge potential for loss in a situation like this.

I could not care less about superstitions, Asian ones or North American ones, its simply not smart business to do something like this.

[EmperorIS]

Who gives a fuck ..they're not bothering anybody ...these people are dying for fucksakes..let them live in peace..take your superstition and shove it up ur ass..this ain't no Bruce lee movie ... Greedy ass fucks..
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lets put the hospice in your backyard and let see how you feel about it dipshit

[v.Rossi]

Superstitions huh? I hope this doesn't blow out of proportion.

Knock on wood

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[MindBomber]

If certain Asians don't want to buy condos next to a hospice there will be many other interested buyers. There is no huge potential for loss, Asians are only a percentage of the population of Vancouver and only a percentage of those Asians would let superstition dictate real estate investments.


You would think for a school that has a majority of "Asian" students with the majority of the campus area Condo's owned by Asians would think of a better way to deliver the news then to just do an Open House?

Lets look at this from a business standpoint.

In the end its all about the money, and there is a huge potential for loss in a situation like this.

I could not care less about superstitions, Asian ones or North American ones, its simply not smart business to do something like this.

I'd welcome a hospice in my neighborhood dipshit. If anything, it helps property values in some neighborhoods.

lets put the hospice in your backyard and let see how you feel about it dipshit

[Ikkaku]

^ while that is true, they may be losing a lot of potential buyers down the line because in reality it is the superstitious chinese population that has the money :lol

[Nlkko]

^Is that supposed to be surprising.. this is Canada not an Asian country.

You're a fvcking retard.

Just because it's a Western country doesn't mean you can disrespect other beliefs. This is the 21st century, dip shit.

Read: UBC basically pocketed 1million each condos and then give the middle finger to the tenants. Maybe it's a little late to do research.. when there's lawsuits coming up your ass. Good luck finding new tenants. Business doesn't work that way.

Stop talking because you have no fucking clue what's going on on the campus. This is not the first time UBC's greed caught up to them.

[El Bastardo]

lets put the hospice in your backyard and let see how you feel about it dipshit



If you live university-adjacent which would you rather live next to? A quiet and somber hospice or a frat house?




Just because it's a Western country doesn't mean you can disrespect other beliefs. This is the 21st century, dip shit.



How the hell is UBC disrespecting someone's belief system? Its not like they put a pork rendering plant next to a Synagogue or Mosque on campus, or a Burger King across from a Mundir.

If UBC was supposed to assume that a condo was going to be populated by Asian people AND superstitious ones at that, well that makes you a racist asshole. If you think those condos are meant for only Asians you can take your ignorant attitude elsewhere.

[MindBomber]

^Not true, still lots of very wealthy white and middle eastern people in Van last time I checked. If anything it might slow sales down, but nothing more.

[Meowjin]

You're a fvcking retard.

Just because it's a Western country doesn't mean you can disrespect other beliefs. This is the 21st century, dip shit.

Read: UBC basically pocketed 1million each condos and then give the middle finger to the tenants. Maybe it's a little late to do research.. when there's lawsuits coming up your ass. Good luck finding new tenants. Business doesn't work that way.

Stop talking because you have no fucking clue what's going on on the campus. This is not the first time UBC's greed caught up to them.

:rolleyes:

Universities are not for profit. Any money gained must be used for research, or building more. I'd actually like to see ubc become a university town like some places in the states.

[Meowjin]

Theres a nice hospice on 4 road. I've been volunteering there so it can help my broad based admission. Quite nice actually.

[MindBomber]

You're a fvcking retard.

Just because it's a Western country doesn't mean you can disrespect other beliefs. This is the 21st century, dip shit.

Read: UBC basically pocketed 1million each condos and then give the middle finger to the tenants. Maybe it's a little late to do research.. when there's lawsuits coming up your ass. Good luck finding new tenants. Business doesn't work that way.

Stop talking because you have no fucking clue what's going on on the campus. This is not the first time UBC's greed caught up to them.

This is Canada, our infrastructure and laws are based on Canadian values and thats the way it needs to be; trying to balance the belief systems of every different regional and religious group would be impossible. Something tells me, given the quality of your argument, you've never set foot on a University campus.

[Qmx323]

If certain Asians don't want to buy condos next to a hospice there will be many other interested buyers. There is no huge potential for loss, Asians are only a percentage of the population of Vancouver and only a percentage of those Asians would let superstition dictate real estate investments.

I agree but what this article is implying what may happen is that the people there, if nothing is done about this, they will go far enough to move out.

Believe me, some Chinese people stick to superstitions like white on rice. (No pun Intended.)

Also agree, however you have to realize this, what are your opinions on houses that are right on a major road with the noises from the cars going up and down the street and maybe the inconveniences from entering and exiting your driveway, would you mind it?

If there were two properties of exact identical value, and one was on a main street, and one was in a nice quiet neighborhood, which one would you pick?

Now instead of a house being next to a main road, its next to a Hospice.

I don't think it will depreciate property value, but for most people and not just Asians, its an asterisk that could possibly affect potential investors and buyers.

and also here comes the cliche, "Time is Money". Once again I am looking at it strictly from a business standpoint.

Obviously the UBC planners didn't do this just to be :troll: to Chinese People.

[MindBomber]

Theres a nice hospice on 4 road. I've been volunteering there so it can help my broad based admission. Quite nice actually.

How are you finding volunteering at a hospice?

I'm waiting to be accepted to a volunteering program at the hospital and I considered a hospice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to work in such a difficult environment.

I agree but what this article is implying what may happen is that the people there, if nothing is done about this, they will go far enough to move out.

Believe me, some Chinese people stick to superstitions like white on rice. (No pun Intended.)

Also agree, however you have to realize this, what are your opinions on houses that are right on a major road with the noises from the cars going up and down the street and maybe the inconveniences from entering and exiting your driveway, would you mind it?

If there were two properties of exact identical value, and one was on a main street, and one was in a nice quiet neighborhood, which one would you pick?

Now instead of a house being next to a main road, its next to a Hospice.

I don't think it will depreciate property value, but for most people and not just Asians, its an asterisk that could possibly affect potential investors and buyers.

and also here comes the cliche, "Time is Money". Once again I am looking at it strictly from a business standpoint.

Obviously the UBC planners didn't do this just to be :troll: to Chinese People.

I would choose the home on a nice quiet street of course, but thats not an entirely accurate argument. The hospice is not being built in a nice quiet neighborhood, it's being built at UBC an area where people are coming and going constantly, and furthermore in the middle of a large apartment block. A 15 bed hospice surely generates less traffic than a 250 suite apartment building that could take its place.

[El Bastardo]

I think we've all lost sight of whats important here:


Theres no such fucking thing as ghosts!

[Meowjin]

How are you finding volunteering at a hospice?

I'm waiting to be accepted to a volunteering program at the hospital and I considered a hospice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to work in such a difficult environment.

Peaceful actually and really sad at the same time. I volunteer here because it's close. After a while you begin to learn that death is just a part of life.

[dinamix]

lets put the hospice in your backyard and let see how you feel about it dipshit

I'd welcome that anyday. These people are the Strongest ,bravest people I"ve ever encountered. You go visit Canuck place hospice one day. You'll figure it out .
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[EmperorIS]

its not whether there is ghost or not

its knowing that theres people dying right outside your door

these people pay millions+ so they can live in a positive inviting neighborhood, now when they look outside their window they see a house filled with dying people reminding them of death. Who in their right mind would want that

[Qmx323]

I think we've all lost sight of whats important here:


Theres no such fucking thing as ghosts!


http://i53.tinypic.com/24yz0o7.jpg

[El Bastardo]

its not whether there is ghost or not

its knowing that theres people dying right outside your door

these people pay millions+ so they can live in a positive inviting neighborhood, now when they look outside their window they see a house filled with dying people reminding them of death. Who in their right mind would want that



Its a hospice, not a fishbowl. Its not like you can literally see someone wasting away in their bed. Its a medical building. I can imagine it looks entirely innocuous.

[m4k4v4li]

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[PiuYi]

to be honest, I gotta side with the homeowners on this one

they were completely shafted by UBC trying to quietly build something obviously unpopular near their homes without consultation whatsoever

while hospices are peaceful places and important as well, truth be told, walking out of your house and seeing terminally ill people day in and day out gets kind of upsetting just because of the atmosphere surrounding it.... its no disrespect to the ill but nobody likes being reminded of death every day

in the end, this is a NIMBY protest, which I wouldn't blame anybody of any race to hold, but in the end its gonna have to be built somewhere so it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds

[Anjew]

i would be pissed off as well if a hospice was setup beside my home. i may not care about living beside one but many people do. if people were looking for a place to live that would no doubt be on the negative list thus hurting the seller/owner. easy to throw in opinions when your house isnt in the same situation.

[EmperorIS]

Its a hospice, not a fishbowl. Its not like you can literally see someone wasting away in their bed. Its a medical building. I can imagine it looks entirely innocuous.

but thats like saying its just a cemetery its just tombstones with words on it... the body is decomposed under the earth ... so your not gonna see anything as well..
its not whether you see it or not .. just because there can inflict negative emotions

[Qmx323]

I'll be honest, as first I didn't even know what a Hospice was, I had to Google it. After googling it and reading many articles and news reports I've learned its more than just a place where you plop terminally ill people to die away.
Its a place where courage and bravery is displayed everyday by the people who live in the Hospice, knowing they are going to pass away but still choosing to live on.

My apologies to whomever my first post offended.

Learn things everyday.

[EmperorIS]

I'll be honest, as first I didn't even know what a Hospice was, I had to Google it. After googling it and reading many articles and news reports I've learned its more than just a place where you plop terminally ill people to die away.
Its a place where courage and bravery is displayed everyday by the people who live in the Hospice, know they are going to pass away but still choosing to live on.

My apologies to whomever my first post offended.

Learn things everyday.


did u think it was a old folks home ?

[MindBomber]

but thats like saying its just a cemetery its just tombstones with words on it... the body is decomposed under the earth ... so your not gonna see anything as well..
its not whether you see it or not .. just because there can inflict negative emotions

Then look at it through a different perspective, instead of seeing a hospice as a place with scary sick people see it as a place set-up to comfort people in their final moments and think about how special a place it is for the families.

I'll be honest, as first I didn't even know what a Hospice was, I had to Google it. After googling it and reading many articles and news reports I've learned its more than just a place where you plop terminally ill people to die away.
Its a place where courage and bravery is displayed everyday by the people who live in the Hospice, know they are going to pass away but still choosing to live on.

My apologies to whomever my first post offended.

Learn things everyday.

My fail has been removed and replaced with a thanks on this post, it takes a very mature person to admit something like that.

[MindBomber]

double post, whoops, sorry.

[El Bastardo]

its not whether you see it or not .. just because there can inflict negative emotions



Dafur war orphans give me negative emotions. Those "Sponsor a Child" commercials give me negative emotions. Hell, even those abused animal commercials give me negative emotions from seeing both abused animals and how badly Sarah McLaughlin has aged.

I don't call up the tv stations and say "Hey you cunts. Stop that"


If you're afraid of hurt feelings, never leave your house. Negative emotions are everywhere in the world.

Knowing that people who are terminal are being cared for in a proper and dignified way shouldn't give you negative emotions. They're being surrounded by people working to ease them into their final transition rather than sitting alone at home in pain and scared.

[m!chael]

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[Qmx323]

Am I the only one who is proud of these Asians for actually protesting something in a western manner (gathering signatures, marching to the administrators office), considering that they come from a place where corruption runs rampant and the state can do whatever the fuck it wants. A lot of people complain about 'dem immigrants' not learning proper english, blah, blah, but I think this just goes to show, they learn fast lol


"When in Rome, do as the Romans do." :fullofwin:

[EmperorIS]

Dafur war orphans give me negative emotions. Those "Sponsor a Child" commercials give me negative emotions. Hell, even those abused animal commercials give me negative emotions from seeing both abused animals and how badly Sarah McLaughlin has aged.

I don't call up the tv stations and say "Hey you cunts. Stop that"


If you're afraid of hurt feelings, never leave your house. Negative emotions are everywhere in the world.

Knowing that people who are terminal are being cared for in a proper and dignified way shouldn't give you negative emotions. They're being surrounded by people working to ease them into their final transition rather than sitting alone at home in pain and scared.

thats why those commercials only appear only on selected times and channels. probably most likely during the day when kids are at school. These are property people are going to spend their lives on. its just not good mentally to be facing something that promotes negative feelings.

and you're right, in the world we already have so much negative emotions being directed to us.. wouldn't it be nice knowing when you go home you won't have to be reminded of it?

[Mr.C]

Should I find one of these residents and offer half for their condo? I mean, since it's bad juju and all, I will gladly rid them of this burden.

[Spy228]

Tallk all you want but there are cultural differences and the older the person the more superstitious he/she is. It's almost natural for Asian.

This is the 21st century, dip shit.
this^^.. Superstitious are superstitious, and thats it. If you don't like it, thats your problem!



-The way I see it, those people are gonna get refunded.

-Maybe they needed one on campus for whatever the hell reason but they shouldn't fvck with those rich Asian in the first place either.

-And it's maybe Canada but it's still.. Kongkouver.

Why? Because they have money they can do whatever they want? Are you one of them... mommy and daddy handed you everything and now you think you own the place? By the looks of it you are 18ish, stupid, and cocky as hell. Give your head a shake.

[El Bastardo]

and you're right, in the world we already have so much negative emotions being directed to us.. wouldn't it be nice knowing when you go home you won't have to be reminded of it?



Is this about dying people or ghosts? I can't tell anymore.

If you don't want to worry about negative emotions then live in a forest away from cars that pollute the environment, fast food restaurants that clog arteries and cause heart attacks, banks that foreclose on homes and kick families out into the street, and computer shops that sell computers that people browse child pornography created by demand from computer users who browse child pornography.

You can find a negative spin to everything around you. If thats how you live your life, what a stunted life you must lead. Why bother leaving your condo if you're forced to think about people dying down the block? We all know that people are only dying in that ONE SPOT and its happening down the street from you. No where else in the world, just that ONE SPOT.


Sorry, but protesting a hospice on those grounds is a ridiculous argument. I respect that you have your beliefs but I can find no common ground to agree with you on this.

[Mr.C]

Just to elaborate, as someone stated before me, being near a place in which death happens so frequently gives you a whole different perspective on what's important while you're alive. I can somewhat see where they are coming from, I'd be pissed if Surrey said they were building a graveyard next to my building (white people have superstitions too...), but hey, what can you do, right? UBC planners likely considered potential backlash, but it's not like they went 'ha ha ha let's fuck with the minds of those damn chinese invaders!'. It's retarded even to think that, given how expensive those condos are.

Edit, @Nikko:

- Lol, refunded, suuure. I'd like to see that fly in a court of law 'Your honor, these evil UBC bastards built a place that causes bad karma, make them give me my money back!'

- I get what you are saying, except they are not in China, so having a 'lot' of money is sort of irrelevant. This isn't some third world banana republic, it's Canada. Money helps, but not to the extent you are suggesting.

- It's Canada. Not China. Not Hong Kong. Not anywhere else. We have a saying in my culture that goes somewhat like 'You follow the music when you dance.' i.e., when in Rome do like the Romans or if you don't like it, au revoir.

[EmperorIS]

Is this about dying people or ghosts? I can't tell anymore.

If you don't want to worry about negative emotions then live in a forest away from cars that pollute the environment, fast food restaurants that clog arteries and cause heart attacks, banks that foreclose on homes and kick families out into the street, and computer shops that sell computers that people browse child pornography created by demand from computer users who browse child pornography.

You can find a negative spin to everything around you. If thats how you live your life, what a stunted life you must lead. Why bother leaving your condo if you're forced to think about people dying down the block? We all know that people are only dying in that ONE SPOT and its happening down the street from you. No where else in the world, just that ONE SPOT.


Sorry, but protesting a hospice on those grounds is a ridiculous argument. I respect that you have your beliefs but I can find no common ground to agree with you on this.

So when you look for a home you wouldn't mind getting a house in the ghetto area of city? because by that logic .. since theres shooting/robbery/rape everywhere.. theres no point of getting a house in a better neighborhood? its not about eliminating the negative.. its about minimizing the best you can to avoid it

[Mr.C]

So when you look for a home you wouldn't mind getting a house in the ghetto area of city? because by that logic .. since theres shooting/robbery/rape everywhere.. theres no point of getting a house in a better neighborhood? its not about eliminating the negative.. its about minimizing the best you can to avoid it

You can't be comparing a hospice to a ghetto. Right?

Right?

Cuz, like, I've lived in a place that's way worse than any 'ghetto' around here, and let me tell you, while I do believe in ghosts, I would take living next to a hospice or two over that any day.

[EmperorIS]

i'm not doing a direct comparison ... but both these places do raise negative reactions to people.

[bcedhk]

Im sure is not just asian residences @ UBC that are opposing to this..

But i mean, a hospice built near any apartment will bound to cause controversy. is just that this case is more noticeable due to the higher asian residence and is @ UBC.

Im not superstitious, but I personally would not support a hospice being built next to my apartment (even if it is not millions of dollars)...

[Mr.C]

i'm not doing a direct comparison ... but both these places do raise negative reactions to people.

There is a difference between a place where there's pure evil and negative karma vs a place where, while there is not happiness in a normal sense, there is good karma, people trying to help and make the life of a terminally ill patient as happy as possible, so that when they pass, they can pass in peace and not leave anything behind.

[Lomac]

Okay, so I did a bit of research about hospices "devaluing" properties and came to one conclusion: There have been very, very few instances of this actually happening, and only because it was part of other construction projects in the vicinity that blocked views, etc.

People have to keep in mind that UBC is a University and the property is there to be used as they see fit. Maybe these people will complain less if they decide instead to build a large building designed specifically to hold all of the University's frat parties?

Also, one of the complaints is that these owners paid $1 million for these units. Why should that matter? So they worked hard for their money. What's your point? Would anyone who worked hard for their money and can only afford a $300,000 condo then have any less of an argument? You can't have both arguments and expect to be treated differently than anyone else.

Superstitions of one minority shouldn't have an impact on construction projects. Now if there were real, physical reasons why this hospice shouldn't be built (ie: irrigation problems, lack of parking, etc), then I could understand.

[BNR32_Coupe]

to be honest, I gotta side with the homeowners on this one

they were completely shafted by UBC trying to quietly build something obviously unpopular near their homes without consultation whatsoever

while hospices are peaceful places and important as well, truth be told, walking out of your house and seeing terminally ill people day in and day out gets kind of upsetting just because of the atmosphere surrounding it.... its no disrespect to the ill but nobody likes being reminded of death every day

in the end, this is a NIMBY protest, which I wouldn't blame anybody of any race to hold, but in the end its gonna have to be built somewhere so it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds

they're using culture as an excuse not to have it in their backyard.

we can agree that people of any race wouldn't like seeing terminally ill walking around their backyard, right? well then only chinese people get to have the right to a hospice-free backyard, since the ying-yang clash thing exists. what about the natives with their 1 million dollar condos? or the Peruvians?

[EmperorIS]

There is a difference between a place where there's pure evil and negative karma vs a place where, while there is not happiness in a normal sense, there is good karma, people trying to help and make the life of a terminally ill patient as happy as possible, so that when they pass, they can pass in peace and not leave anything behind.


if you take that in to perspective ... these are million dollar apartments/condos or w/e they did not pay that much money so they have to even be in that sort of environment .... if you move to the ghetto you are aware of these things happening

[MindBomber]

I'm working on an assignment at the moment, so I don't have time to research this myself, I shouldn't even be on RS actually..

I believe hospices are funded almost entirely by donation, they are not a component of the government sponsored health care program, can someone confirm?

[flagella]

Being superstitious FTL.

[BNR32_Coupe]

I'm working on an assignment at the moment, so I don't have time to research this myself, I shouldn't even be on RS actually..

I believe hospices are funded almost entirely by donation, they are not a component of the government sponsored health care program, can someone confirm?

not sure where youre going with this or how it relates to my post.

[dbaz]

would they complain if it was an old folks home being built beside them? a lot of people pass away there too. what if the building they live in had a high percentage of elderly living in it? would they protest the elderly and tell them to gtfo because they are old and may die soon leaving them with nightmares? this protest is a joke superstitions or not they are just being inconsiderate assholes and for the record i wouldn't give a shit if there was a hospice by my house. to me it seems they are worried the place they bought wont go up in value enough when they want to sell it 5 years down the road.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Well let's put it this way. I am Chinese and been living in Canada since I was 8 (20years lish). I don't believe in ghost or anything but if I were to spend 1million for a house/apartment I would sure want it to be in a quite place with no hospital, Police station, hospice or any sort.

When I come home I want to be in a relax environment. Although I don't see dead bodies and stuff like that around a hospice but I will see family and friends of those that have been submitted into the hospice which I mean looking at them they are going to be sad, thus making my mood not as good/great/happy as it should be. Also, I don't like having so many strangers around the area where I live and I am pretty sure with a hospice there are going to be a lot of strangers around.

Ask yourself honestly will you spend 1million of pay $2k+ rent each month to live next to a hospice or find another place to buy/rent? Is not about seeing ghost or Asian thing or anything else. Is when people have a choice they will chose the best value with their money. Just like a lot Rsers when they buy something from Buy and Sell they lowball the buyer so they can get a better deal or when they are modding their cars or buying a new car we shop around for the best deal/services.

Just like all these car manfacture recalls say Honda knows there is some defect with their car but they try not to fix it and sell it you anyways. When you bought it then it was made public but they won't fix it, you have to pay to get it fix or live with it. And let's just assume you sign a contract saying Honda is not responsibilty for your car of any defect. I am sure you will be pretty piss too.

[MindBomber]

not sure where youre going with this or how it relates to my post.

not sure why I hit the quote button there, half focused on homework and half on thread.

[Lomac]

Well let's put it this way. I am Chinese and been living in Canada since I was 8 (20years lish). I don't believe in ghost or anything but if I were to spend 1million for a house/apartment I would sure want it to be in a quite place with no hospital, Police station, hospice or any sort.

When I come home I want to be in a relax environment. Although I don't see dead bodies and stuff like that around a hospice but I will see family and friends of those that have been submitted into the hospice which I mean looking at them they are going to be sad, thus making my mood not as good/great/happy as it should be. Also, I don't like having so many strangers around the area where I live and I am pretty sure with a hospice there are going to be a lot of strangers around.


That argument might be valid if not for the fact that it's inside a freakin' University! You'll be surrounded by 12,000 strangers. What's another 50?

[BNR32_Coupe]

Well let's put it this way. I am Chinese and been living in Canada since I was 8 (20years lish). I don't believe in ghost or anything but if I were to spend 1million for a house/apartment I would sure want it to be in a quite place with no hospital, Police station, hospice or any sort.

When I come home I want to be in a relax environment. Although I don't see dead bodies and stuff like that around a hospice but I will see family and friends of those that have been submitted into the hospice which I mean looking at them they are going to be sad, thus making my mood not as good/great/happy as it should be. Also, I don't like having so many strangers around the area where I live and I am pretty sure with a hospice there are going to be a lot of strangers around.

Ask yourself honestly will you spend 1million of pay $2k+ rent each month to live next to a hospice or find another place to buy/rent? Is not about seeing ghost or Asian thing or anything else. Is when people have a choice they will chose the best value with their money. Just like a lot Rsers when they buy something from Buy and Sell they lowball the buyer so they can get a better deal or when they are modding their cars or buying a new car we shop around for the best deal/services.

Just like all these car manfacture recalls say Honda knows there is some defect with their car but they try not to fix it and sell it you anyways. When you bought it then it was made public but they won't fix it, you have to pay to get it fix or live with it. And let's just assume you sign a contract saying Honda is not responsibilty for your car of any defect. I am sure you will be pretty piss too.

so basically, coles notes are: build it in a 'white' community or build it on an island

[dbaz]

Well let's put it this way. I am Chinese and been living in Canada since I was 8 (20years lish). I don't believe in ghost or anything but if I were to spend 1million for a house/apartment I would sure want it to be in a quite place with no hospital, Police station, hospice or any sort.

if thats your worries then you shouldnt be buying at ubc. it has a hospital and a huge university with dorms(parties etc) tons of people commuting to and from it. typically i wouldnt think it would be quiet and an extremely relaxing place

[Meowjin]

guys a hospice looks like a regular neighborhood house.

I really don't think anyone's ever seen one. Theres one on 4 road and granville.

[dbaz]

i dont think the people protesting even really understand what it is

[MindBomber]

guys a hospice looks like a regular neighborhood house.

I really don't think anyone's ever seen one. Theres one on 4 road and granville.

i dont think the people protesting even really understand what it is

Exactly.

It's not like a hospital guys, people aren't coming and going constantly. It's grieving families getting in there cars and going home after seeing their loved ones, for often, the last time. If anything it might make the area quieter since partying students will avoid disturbing people in the hospice.

[EmperorIS]

Exactly.

It's not like a hospital guys, people aren't coming and going constantly. It's grieving families getting in there cars and going home after seeing their loved ones, for often, the last time.

isn't that pretty much what a cemetery is ? except they're already dead

its just as bad

[Meowjin]

isn't that pretty much what a cemetery is ? except they're already dead

its just as bad

it's not a hospital with revolving doors. It's 20 people. there will be a max staff of 5-10 people. people die everywhere all the time. Get over yourself. Hospices are not a place of negativity, and in fact positivity.

ps: If you had teh ability to buy a 1million dollar condo, and from what it seems like be from mainland china, why the fuck wouldn't you send your kid to fucking stanford or any of the other schools in cali.

[MindBomber]

isn't that pretty much what a cemetery is ? except they're already dead

its just as bad

I see where you can make the comparison, since the cemetery and a hospice are at the most maybe two weeks apart, but they're very different when you look below the surface.

A cemetery is a place where bodies are kept and people go to think about their loved ones; In a hospice patients and their families are given an opportunity to enjoy their last days together in comfort, removed from a stressful hospital setting.

The best way I could describe my hospice experience would be to say its both the happiest and saddest place I've ever been. They very deliberately lack any hit of death like a cemetery, despite being encompassed by it.

[EmperorIS]

it's not a hospital with revolving doors. It's 20 people. there will be a max staff of 5-10 people. people die everywhere all the time. Get over yourself.

ps: If you had teh ability to buy a 1million dollar condo, and from what it seems like be from mainland china, why the fuck wouldn't you send your kid to fucking stanford or any of the other schools in cali.

it doesn't matter how many people are in it ... its a house that project negative emotions...

it doesn't matter if people die all the time .. thats not the point. theres rape and violence everywhere too .. why do people specifically choose better neighborhoods to live in ?

and are you serious about your last statement?

[EmperorIS]

I see where you can make the comparison, since the cemetery and a hospice are at the most maybe two weeks apart, but they're very different when you look below the surface.

A cemetery is a place where bodies are kept and people go to think about their loved ones; In a hospice patients and their families are given an opportunity to enjoy their last days together in comfort, removed from a stressful hospital setting.

The best way I could describe my hospice experience would be to say its both the happiest and saddest place I've ever been. They very deliberately lack any hit of death like a cemetery, despite being encompassed by it.

i can see how a hospice can be a place of harmony as well... but is that really something you want to come to ? especially when its a million dollar + house/apartment/condo?

ofcourse in the article its just not that ... they are worried about the property value and using the culture excuse more political pressure. but in truth, who really is 100% okay with it.

[dinamix]

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[EmperorIS]

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How is dying a negative emotion ? These people don't choose to have cancer or get a disease. It just happens . it's natural . It's a part of life.
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so are you gonna be jolly if one of your family or friends drop dead tmr ?

[Meowjin]

I honestly think your just trolling now. This is university land. They can do whatever they want.

It doesn't matter if they paid $$$ for their property, because at the end of the day the hospice land either belongs to someone else, or to the Government of Canada/ubc. They can protest all they want, but if some immigrants arn't happy with a decision being done by the university, they can sell their million dollar condo's.

I can't understand how it's ok to buy near a hospital, and it brings the property value up for asian people, but if it's near a hospice they shit their pants?

[MindBomber]

i can see how a hospice can be a place of harmony as well... but is that really something you want to come to ? especially when its a million dollar + house/apartment/condo?

ofcourse in the article its just not that ... they are worried about the property value and using the culture excuse more political pressure. but in truth, who really is 100% okay with it.

To be honest, I see why people would be uncomfortable with the idea of living next to a hospice initially, but you can't really judge until you've actually experienced one. It really is just like any other house with a strange aura surrounding it, but certainly not a negative one; it's something very special, unique.

After living next to one for awhile, I doubt you would even notice it was there, unlike a cemetery thats very out in the open and hard to forget. Especially if you live 20 floors above it.

so are you gonna be jolly if one of your family or friends drop dead tmr ?

If your family member is in a hospice you've known they were dying for a very long time and you've overcome most of your grief, your just enjoying your last days with a person reminiscing.

[dbaz]

so are you gonna be jolly if one of your family or friends drop dead tmr ?
would you prefer your loved one to be extremely depressed while confined to a single room in a hospital or in better emotional state at a hospice? not the greatest state for someone either way but knowing they were happier being in a hospice over stuck in a bed at a hospital makes a difference.

[Lomac]

i can see how a hospice can be a place of harmony as well... but is that really something you want to come to ? especially when its a million dollar + house/apartment/condo?

ofcourse in the article its just not that ... they are worried about the property value and using the culture excuse more political pressure. but in truth, who really is 100% okay with it.

Who cares if it's next to a million dollar house? Like I said before, does that matter more than if it's next to a $300,000 one?

And while very few are "okay" with death (excepting, of course, Ulic lol), it's part of life. Everyone has to go through it. The largest portion of grief stems from unexpected death. Those who go through the hospice route are routinely happier than those who don't. And, yes, I have real life experience with hospices. Trust me, it's a far happier place than you make it out to be.

[dinamix]

so are you?

Probably not.That's why there are hospices around to help with suffering and pain.

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[dinamix]

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[EmperorIS]

Who cares if it's next to a million dollar house? Like I said before, does that matter more than if it's next to a $300,000 one?

And while very few are "okay" with death (excepting, of course, Ulic lol), it's part of life. Everyone has to go through it. The largest portion of grief stems from unexpected death. Those who go through the hospice route are routinely happier than those who don't. And, yes, I have real life experience with hospices. Trust me, it's a far happier place than you make it out to be.

if the hospice was there already before the owners made the purchase then i would side with the you on this since they would have the choice to not move there.

But since the decision was made after ... i feel they are allowed to be pissed off about it.

i understand hospices brings happiness to a bad situation too, but is that really something you want in your neighborhood? in this case right out their window?

the difference between a 1 million dollar house and a 300,00 dollar one is probably just the difference of not having a negative environment. In this case, a hospice. I believe the home owners there have every right to be P.O

[Mr.HappySilp]

So will anyone purposely chose to live nest to a hospital or even a hospice or celemtery? I am sure 75% of the people won't unless they have no choice.

So pretty if a hospice is built than the value of those million apartment will drop since there will be less buyers/renters willingly to buy/rent it if they are given a choice.

As I said earlier I like to live in a nice quiet area so I would not be buying those apartments in UBC.

Whatever the reason is, it comes down to these people wanting to protect their investment and you can't blame them since a large portion of the population don't understand fully what hospice is and as soon as they hear Dead people goes there or really ill people that about to die live there, I am pretty sure most will think of it as negative right away.

[MindBomber]

if the hospice was there already before the owners made the purchase then i would side with the you on this since they would have the choice to not move there.

But since the decision was made after ... i feel they are allowed to be pissed off about it.


They can be a bit annoyed if they want, but they should realize their own desires are far less important than the work done at a hospice.

I'd really like to see a poll of how many people on his forum would discount a serious real estate purchase, because a hospice was in the vicinity.

[EmperorIS]

They can be a bit annoyed if they want, but they should realize their own desires are far less important than the work done at a hospice.

I'd really like to see a poll of how many people on his forum would discount a serious real estate purchase, because a hospice was in the vicinity.

they probably do understand the importance of hospice, but due to their culture and personal belief they can't handle the presence of one or any of that nature. they probably bought this 1 million dollar condo just to be away from it. Its not like they can't find a condo just as nice else where. Its the location which makes it 1 million+. So it does matter if the condo is 1million or 300k because thats the difference between the two, location.

[xyz123]

Even though a Hospice may feel upsetting. From what I have briefly read about it, i find it very benificial especially when put in an University Campus. I mean, think about the opportunity students can experience. A University is a place for experiences and seeking higher knowledge. Yes, it's unfair that you pay 1 million dollars to have a comfortable place; but if you don't like it relocate or adapt, with a purchase of 1 million+ dollars surely you can afford to relocate to another part of the campus? I would think Hospices would benifit society because 1. It can potentially increase jobs, 2. Student's may now have the resources to become less ignorant on death and have extra knowledge of the subject of palliative care, 3. Patients will have actual care and will not burden the bigger society. And even more (unless my entire post is incorrect which then you should please enlighten me.)

[EmperorIS]

I honestly think your just trolling now. This is university land. They can do whatever they want.

It doesn't matter if they paid $$$ for their property, because at the end of the day the hospice land either belongs to someone else, or to the Government of Canada/ubc. They can protest all they want, but if some immigrants arn't happy with a decision being done by the university, they can sell their million dollar condo's.

I can't understand how it's ok to buy near a hospital, and it brings the property value up for asian people, but if it's near a hospice they shit their pants?

since when does property goes up when its near a hospital ?
do you even know what the fuck you are talking about ?
your posts sounds more like you're intolerant to immigrant's cultures and beliefs then actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a right to have a say or not in this situation

and are you too dumb to understand why if something brings up value its okay for "asian" people and when it doesn't its not okay?

hmmm i dunno ... maybe because if it brings up value there must be something positive about that particular environment? therefore, it brings up value? and when something brings down value its usually something negative?

i don't know what particular culture/race your from... but when something is positive "Asians" tends to like it.

[Meowjin]

What the fuck are you even rambling about?

why do you keep quoting asians?

And if you can't tell what culture I am just from my avatar, then you have issues.

[BNR32_Coupe]

since when does property goes up when its near a hospital ?
do you even know what the fuck you are talking about ?
your posts sounds more like you're intolerant to immigrant's cultures and beliefs then actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a right to have a say or not in this situation

and are you too dumb to understand why if something brings up value its okay for "asian" people and when it doesn't its not okay?

hmmm i dunno ... maybe because if it brings up value there must be something positive about that particular environment? therefore, it brings up value? and when something brings down value its usually something negative?

i don't know what particular culture/race your from... but when something is positive "Asians" tends to like it.

i want to quote this in my signature but it's too much. couldn't agree more with emporerIS

majin, youre being intolerant than actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a say in this situation!! majin, you imbecile!! when something brings up value is positive then it's okay but when doesnt its not okay? think about that one for a sec, and give US your best reply

[SkinnyPupp]

The way I see it is, it's not like they are building an airport next to the condo. If you have some issues, whether it's superstitions, religion, or "culture" that makes you intolerant to normal everyday things, that's your problem, not anyone else's.

[Vansterdam]

:wgaf:

[Mr.C]

since when does property goes up when its near a hospital ?
do you even know what the fuck you are talking about ?
your posts sounds more like you're intolerant to immigrant's cultures and beliefs then actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a right to have a say or not in this situation

and are you too dumb to understand why if something brings up value its okay for "asian" people and when it doesn't its not okay?

hmmm i dunno ... maybe because if it brings up value there must be something positive about that particular environment? therefore, it brings up value? and when something brings down value its usually something negative?

i don't know what particular culture/race your from... but when something is positive "Asians" tends to like it.

Please don't bunch all immigrants together. Seriously, don't go there. I HATE it when people say this shit. It's like using the race card. Soooo annoying.

It is still my opinion that, if you have a million bucks to drop on an overpriced condo, and you don't like what's being built next to it, sell it. I mean, you're already rich, you take a 20-30k loss, good for you, you'r not living next to an evil place. Or something. Would be worse if there was a crack shack next to the apartment.

Edit: All of the examples you have given are things that *may* devalue a property. I've never heard of hospices devaluing properties. Heck, even a quick google search doesn't bring anything up. I'd have to ask some realtors about that one.

[Ferra]

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Are you going to feel all happy and excited if a close family member of yours is dying??? The emotion is very tense and negative when someone close to you is about to pass away...

and people get affected by their surroundings...(ever work with a pessimistic colleague?) You might sympathize them, but honestly, no one "wants" to spend 7 days a week around a group of grieving people.

Plus I am pretty sure it would affect the resale value of the house. In most asia countries, a condo that faces a graveyard lose 50% of its value. (even if the graveyard is a few kilometers away)
and even if you have no problem with having a hospice next to your door, I am sure you wouldn't want to lose 100-200k over your house resale value because of that.

[Mr.C]

Are you going to feel all happy and excited if a close family member of yours is dying??? The emotion is very tense and negative when someone close to you is about to pass away...

and people get affected by their surroundings...(ever work with a pessimistic colleague?) You might sympathize them, but honestly, no one "wants" to spend 7 days a week around a group of grieving people.

Plus I am pretty sure it would affect the resale value of the house. In most asia countries, a condo that faces a graveyard lose 50% of its value. (even if the graveyard is a few kilometers away)
and even if you have no problem with having a hospice next to your door, I am sure you wouldn't want to lose 100-200k over your house resale value because of that.

I guess it's a damn good thing they aren't in Asia, then. Put the condo on the market and see what happens.

I mean, come on guys, if you want to argue, argue related to the country you're in. Who cares what property prices are in Asia? You're not in Asia! It's like me saying 'I wouldn't buy a house near a hill because where I came from, hills are considered dangerous (due to slums, drug dealers, etc).' Very relevant to the discussion at hand.

[Jsunu]

Okay, so I did a bit of research about hospices "devaluing" properties and came to one conclusion: There have been very, very few instances of this actually happening, and only because it was part of other construction projects in the vicinity that blocked views, etc.


Is there any empirical data that indicates that a hospice near housing drops property value in anyway? It seems like the argument for homeowners is based on the fact that the hospice with directly affect their property values, which may not be the case here.

Just I hope this protest won't discourage future hospice projects in the future.

[Mr.HappySilp]

The hospice wasn't built when the 1+million apartments were built, it wasn't mention or discuss among those people who bought the apartments. ubc JUST SAID "o btw we are building a hospice next to your 1million apartment."

Did they even do any research about how it will affect the locals, the resell vaule of the business or apartments near the hospice, the impact it will have on the people living there, traffic, parking..........

Like I said who will purposely buy a house/aparmtnet next or very close to a hospice, police station, fire station, hospital....... fully knowing they can buy elesewhere. People who are buying/renting these 1million apartment do have a choice and I am sure if a hospice is to built there it will no doubt affect the resell value and also the renteal value of these apartments.

[melloman]

A hospice is a good idea. You bought your $1M+ condo and now you have a hospice next to it, no different from the government deciding to build a "safe injection site" next to your house, or a power substation. Life sucks and just cause of your "culture" you believe that you should have a right to try and fuck with the system. Toughen up and sell your condo, move like 3 blocks away, shit it aint hard.

[Mr.HappySilp]

A hospice is a good idea. You bought your $1M+ condo and now you have a hospice next to it, no different from the government deciding to build a "safe injection site" next to your house, or a power substation. Life sucks and just cause of your "culture" you believe that you should have a right to try and fuck with the system. Toughen up and sell your condo, move like 3 blocks away, shit it aint hard.

Yea I am sure you won't complain with the value of your 1+million apartment's value is going to drop by 15 to 20% cause of this. No one is sure weather it will drop or raise the price but most likely one would assume it would drop the resell value for sure.

I am not real estate expert but I am sure some of the people here are and can provide some info?

[Ferra]

I guess it's a damn good thing they aren't in Asia, then. Put the condo on the market and see what happens.

I mean, come on guys, if you want to argue, argue related to the country you're in. Who cares what property prices are in Asia? You're not in Asia! It's like me saying 'I wouldn't buy a house near a hill because where I came from, hills are considered dangerous (due to slums, drug dealers, etc).' Very relevant to the discussion at hand.
i don't think this is all just asian cultures....no one regardless of their cultures or races like to live near a place associated with death, grieve and sadness.
I am sure the effect on resale value is not as drastic as in Asia countries, but losing 10-15% is still very likely in this case.
a friend of mine in toronto has his house devalued by more than 10% when they decided to build a cemetery 2 blocks from his place...and he lives in a neighborhood with VERY little asian ppl

[no_clue]

What happens when a person inside a Hospice dies?
Does an ambulance or a hearse come pick up the body?
If so, it would ruin the atmosphere of the neighbourhood, seeing people cry all the time on the streets while bodies get loaded onto the cars.

[unit]

i would have initial mixed feelings about it, but i wouldnt go so far as to try to keep it from being built. hospices have a right to exist, if not by one persons house, then maybe next to someone elses. same thing in the end its just a fact of life. lots of ignorance in this thread.

[El Bastardo]

What happens when a person inside a Hospice dies?
Does an ambulance or a hearse come pick up the body?
If so, it would ruin the atmosphere of the neighbourhood, seeing people cry all the time on the streets while bodies get loaded onto the cars.



A big loud ambulance shows up and leaves its sirens on while being parked in the middle of the street. Then a fire truck shows up and sprays the streets with water, just because. They have their sirens on too. Soon, the police show up and shoot their guns in the air in celebration of the person's life and their death. Of course the police have a crackhead in the back of the car so the crackhead escapes and runs free in the neighbourhood.

A few minutes later a funeral procession shows up. Its like a second line. Crying and sobbing people yell and drop tissues into the street, those tissues clogging the sewers and then the sewer overflows into the road creating pools of human waste and tears.

Soon the people in the street develop hepatitis, leprousy, and HIV. Those people are moved into the hospice and then soon the hospice is over capacity. Eventually the government appropriates nearby condos to act as hospices and people have their property literally seized from under them so people can die in the place where they once lived.

Eventually the ghosts rise from the graveyard which will eventually have to be built on the same block and scoot around the street like misty morning fog, their moans a horrible reminder of what happens when we allow our sick and dying to have a dignified place to pass away.


All because there was a hospice in the neighbourhood.

[murd0c]

I haven't read all of the 5 pages but I think the people's complaints are complete BS. Just because the beliefs from their culture make them believe in ghosts what makes them think they have a right you freak out because of that? This is Canada which respect's all cultures and even tho you have your own beliefs we have rights as well and it piss's me off that every single day we have to oblige to everything they say because they live next door or we do things differently compared to the country's they came from. Like it was said it's better then a Half way house and how could you even compare it to the safe injection site.

I know if I was dieing I would want to be in a nice peaceful area for my last days. Most of these people can not help this and I kind of find it sick that it's such a big deal. Honestly if they don't like it move it's only going to be 15 bed's not a high rise building with hundreds of people.

Like I said I have no problems with other cultures but FUCK OFF already let the dieing people have their peace. Not only that people die all the times so if one person die's in a building will everyone freak out? Fuck that it's a joke and I'm highly pissed off about it. It's selfish and a fucken joke and if you agree with them you are part of the problem as well. This is a FREE COUNTRY and everyone has rights not just you or them!!!

[MindBomber]

What happens when a person inside a Hospice dies?
Does an ambulance or a hearse come pick up the body?
If so, it would ruin the atmosphere of the neighbourhood, seeing people cry all the time on the streets while bodies get loaded onto the cars.

A discrete van comes to pick up the body, you would never even know. People aren't standing in the streets balling their eyes out, screaming that someone died, get real and be fucking reasonable.

[SchoolGlue]

Lets try to remember ubc is a place of learning not a family community for you to enjoy. The folks that bought these condos obviously are seeking to be a well educated atmosphere hence this hospice is clearly part of the learning community. If you dont want it too bad and move out friend. I go to UBC and the folks, those yuppies, that just live here piss me off. =(

[dinamix]

i got these quotes from the canucks forums..some are true and some made me laugh

I believe in the Loch Ness Monster. Not having a Loch Ness Monster near my house decreases my property values as other Loch Ness Monster believers will not be in the market for my house. I am going to protest until the government builds me a lake with a Loch Ness Monster in it.


Wow, I'm shaking with rage. Shaking.

We're talking about real people, who are dealing with the very difficult process of coming to terms with their own mortality. We're talking about their loved ones, who have to accept the idea that their wives or husbands or brothers or sisters or parents or grandparents won't be around anymore. I agree, being around death sucks.

Know what sucks more? Having strangers say it's inconvenient that your loved one is dying next door, could he please have the courtesy of dying somewhere else?

Oh, I'm sorry my grandfather's terminal illness might BRING YOU BAD LUCK.

Complaining about it is just the most insensitive, bull-headed, ridiculous thing I can'tevenfinishthissentenceimsomad

"It's like you open your door and you step into a graveyard." Well, I'm sure the people whose loved ones are living there LOVE to hear that. "Your neighbors hate you because you're going to die. It lowers their property value, because you're essentially living in a graveyard. This is your room, hope you enjoy it. Do you think you'll be kicking it in the next three months? We are SO overbooked."

GOD I hate people.


Superstitions are like stereotypes.

They are the vestiges of rules of thumb of the past.

Maybe it made sense not to want dying people around when the cause mIght be plague. That isn't the issue here. Our knowledge has surpassed that need to think like that.

I don't expect decisions to be made by this type of thought process anymore than I judge another Canadian on their race, gender, sexuality or country of origin.

We are past this type of thing in our society. These citizens need to catch up with the rest of us.

Better not live next to any busy intersections cause eventually someones gonna die there....

This whole story is ridiculous. Maybe they should worry less about their property values and more about other people. How about seeing it as an opportunity to benefit the community by volunteering their time at the hospice.

[dimdiu]

why are you guys even arguing about this. This is just like someone bring up a top "Which one came first, chicken or egg?" There's no answer to it. Obviously some do agree and some don't. Why do ppl like to force others to think what they think is right?? I can't blame the owners protesting having a hospice built right beside them but having a $1mil house doesn't really have anything to do with the argument. So what they can afford their $1 mil house, they did work hard for it, or if they do illegal shit to make those kind of money, they still risk their life for it. The fact is having a hospice built right beside your building with no prior notice about it and you know nothing about it when you first bought your condo. Who the fuck wants that?

Let's forget about building a hospice, what if some random ppl just came by one day and build a mcdick right beside you? Some would say "hey that's good, can pick up some food on way home from work" but some would say "fuck now i have random teenagers hanging around and all these traffics" There's no correct answer to is it right or wrong to build something there. These owners are protesting a) they dun want a hospice build next to them due to superstition (no comment on that) and i think most importantly it's b) an unknown project that had taken place right beside their building that would have a huge impact on their resale value.

Hell, I dun want that. Let's admit it, we are all greedy at some point, who wants their hard earned cash going to waste just because some dude decided to build a building that would lower the resale value of one's building.

Just because they are all asians, it doesn't mean $1 mil doesn't mean a thing to them

[Tapioca]

This is what will happen:

The homeowners will continue to protest and hire some lawyers to see if there's some sort of legal remedy. UBC, with its own legal team, will basically dismiss anything because I'm sure there's language in the purhcase agreement which permits UBC to build things like hospices. The homeowners may try to sue, but of course UBC with its larger resources will win.

The homeowners will then sell their units and within a year, they will be snatched up by new owners/investors. Case closed.

[StylinRed]

hmm just look at all the places selling those paper products to burn for the dead or all those little temples creamation places etc etc in hong kong right under next to their million dollar apartments people deal with it.

this is just more bs asian posturing trying to pressure the community to get things how they want it because they feel their numbers are growing and so their clout is great see it ALLLL the fucking time

[Mancini]

Their own death must be a particularly terrible experience. Or that of a loved one.

I wouldn't mind living next to a hospice. As long as the hearse has a quiet muffler.

[hk20000]

the business men have it crooked.

UBC is short for University of Bitching Chinese.

[El Bastardo]

Serious question:

How are the terminally ill treated in Asia? Help me understand why a hospice is a huge problem here...

[AWDTurboLuvr]

I've lived near the hospice in Richmond growing up and honestly, you'd never notice it was there. Our property values didn't go down because we lived near it and we certainly didn't have any problems selling our land either.

So while you can claim that the hospice will clash against your own cultural beliefs, please don't go off spouting that it will automatically make your million dollar condo lose 25% of it's value. The area around VGH doesn't have depressed land values. It's not like they built a concrete wall in front of your living room window and blocked your view.

[PiuYi]

Serious question:

How are the terminally ill treated in Asia? Help me understand why a hospice is a huge problem here...

i believe there ARE hospices in places like HK but they're located in more pleasant places like the outskirts of the city where there's views of mountains/sea/forests rather than the dense polluted concrete jungle that is the city where most people live, thats why this generally isn't a problem in HK and people there all have the same beliefs (even the ones using the hospice) so clashes like this generally won't happen

correct me if i'm wrong people

[PiuYi]

they're using culture as an excuse not to have it in their backyard.

we can agree that people of any race wouldn't like seeing terminally ill walking around their backyard, right? well then only chinese people get to have the right to a hospice-free backyard, since the ying-yang clash thing exists. what about the natives with their 1 million dollar condos? or the Peruvians?

absolutely not, I think people of every race have the right to protest this, thats why it'll be interesting to see what neighbourhood they put this in

as much as people may disagree with the beliefs of these people, this is Canada where multiculturalism rules and different beliefs are always respected, which is why they somewhat have a case here...

but doubt plans will change, cuz like Tapioca above said, UBC probably has every right to build what they want on their land and won't back down easily

[adambomb]

I just realized the building developers and real estate agents suckered all those asians into buying into that building because they gave it the address...

26 88 West Mall. :lol


I guess that builidng doesn't have any "good luck". Looks like there's a hospice going in nextdoor and there is no support from the community over their "issue" :whine:

[MindBomber]

The issue with locating hospices in rural isolated areas, whether it be to provide the patients with peace and tranquility or to protect people from superstitions is that it forces grieving family and friends to travel significantly longer distances to visit their loved ones at a very difficult time.

i believe there ARE hospices in places like HK but they're located in more pleasant places like the outskirts of the city where there's views of mountains/sea/forests rather than the dense polluted concrete jungle that is the city where most people live, thats why this generally isn't a problem in HK and people there all have the same beliefs (even the ones using the hospice) so clashes like this generally won't happen

correct me if i'm wrong people

[AWDTurboLuvr]

i believe there ARE hospices in places like HK but they're located in more pleasant places like the outskirts of the city where there's views of mountains/sea/forests rather than the dense polluted concrete jungle that is the city where most people live, thats why this generally isn't a problem in HK and people there all have the same beliefs (even the ones using the hospice) so clashes like this generally won't happen


You know of an area near forests, away from the city and with views of the sea in Vancouver? UBC.

[Meowjin]

You know what I'm gonna think in reverse. Why would they build a hospice next to a place of negative emotion a place next to supersiticious ignorant fucks?
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[dachinesedude]

lets say you buy a condo mainly for its view of fraser river, but then some developers build a tower right out your window, now blocking your view of it. will you be pissed? same idea here

and why is this even a debate, if they are gonna complain let them complain, who the fuck cares, people will always be complaining about something, some of you are giving the idea that only asians complain, oh please...

[Culverin]

I just realized the building developers and real estate agents suckered all those asians into buying into that building because they gave it the address...

26 88 West Mall. :lol


I guess that builidng doesn't have any "good luck". Looks like there's a hospice going in nextdoor and there is no support from the community over their "issue" :whine:



I'm siding with UBC on this one.
With the size of their legal department and all their previous contracts, I'm sure they've got it covered that they can do whatever they want to the land.


Just out of spite, UBC should change it to "2 4 88 West Mall". :fullofwin:

[BNR32_Coupe]

absolutely not, I think people of every race have the right to protest this, thats why it'll be interesting to see what neighbourhood they put this in

as much as people may disagree with the beliefs of these people, this is Canada where multiculturalism rules and different beliefs are always respected, which is why they somewhat have a case here...

but doubt plans will change, cuz like Tapioca above said, UBC probably has every right to build what they want on their land and won't back down easily

i'm not a cultural expert, but i can name a few cultures that don't view mixing death and life as a negative thing. eg, canadian culture - although relatively new, afaik, there's nothing about the canadian culture that views this as a superstitiously negative thing. therefore, going by the condo owners logic, we should relocate the hospice next to a bunch of 'white' (canadians) people because they're okay with it. in fact, relocate everything the chinese aren't okay with next to 'white' people, except the convenient amenities

[taylor192]

Just out of spite, UBC should change it to "2 4 88 West Mall". :fullofwin:

How about numbering the hospice 2888 West Mall. :fullofwin:

[taylor192]

i'm not a cultural expert, but i can name a few cultures that don't view mixing death and life as a negative thing. eg, canadian culture - although relatively new, afaik, there's nothing about the canadian culture that views this as a superstitiously negative thing. therefore, going by the condo owners logic, we should relocate the hospice next to a bunch of 'white' (canadians) people because they're okay with it. in fact, relocate everything the chinese aren't okay with next to 'white' people, except the convenient amenities
Why don't we just relocate the Chinese and take their property? Canada did this in the past to the Japanese... :whistle:

Too far? :devil:

[Tapioca]

lets say you buy a condo mainly for its view of fraser river, but then some developers build a tower right out your window, now blocking your view of it. will you be pissed? same idea here

First of all, if I were purchasing oceanfront property, I would check the zoning and land holdings to make sure that any land in front of me could not be built on or was owned by another developer to ensure that my views would be maintained. Anyone purchasing property should do their due dilligence. I'm sorry, but the owners should have looked into this before they purchased their property.

Second, the owners are not complaining about something "neutral" like noise or view obstructions; they are complaining about something which violates their culture. If the hospice really bothers them that much, they should just cut their losses and sell. I think they'll be pleasantly surprised that their property values are not as tied to the hospice as they might think.

I'm not a lawyer, but I know that in my line of work (which is largely tied to the legalities surrounding compensation), there is next to no legal precedent on compensating for violations of culture. In my view, these people are SOL.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Why don't we just relocate the Chinese and take their property? Canada did this in the past to the Japanese... :whistle:

Too far? :devil:

http://i53.tinypic.com/b4chft.jpg

[dat_steve]

doesn't all that land technically still belong to the native community in that area??

[deep87]

from reddit, qft;

Point by point:

* The condo owners bought real estate in a highly speculative investment market (being Vancouver. Point is they could have very comfortably bought in a non-speculative market and lived just as easily.)
* Along with the many other risks of owning land, these owners get hit with both undesirable neighbours and potential loss of value (or at least stunted land value growth) given the local developments around their property.
* The zoning laws and development permits allowed for such things as a hospice to be built next door, and the time to act/contest on said development permits has long passed (the place is doing open houses, obviously they aren't in the phase of applying for building permits still..)
* It could be argued that it is the condo owner's responsibility to protect their investment (proactively.) NOT the city. Especially in a speculative growth market like Vancouver.
* The condo owners missed the boat on acting before the hospice was approved for construction (which is no one else but the owners fault.)
* The condo owners have no other option, so they pull the race/culture card to gain media attention in hopes to protect their investment.
* In our society, it's not politically correct to discredit the race/culture card.
* In our society, headlines and stories that feature the race/culture card tend to sell newspapers or attract broadcast listeners.

[SpuGen]

hmm just look at all the places selling those paper products to burn for the dead or all those little temples creamation places etc etc in hong kong right under next to their million dollar apartments people deal with it.

this is just more bs asian posturing trying to pressure the community to get things how they want it because they feel their numbers are growing and so their clout is great see it ALLLL the fucking time

Those "Places selling the paper products" etc are just Stores. There is no mourning in these places.
Crematoriums are located in the outskirts of the cities, or in less populated areas, like Industrial areas.
Grave Yards/Temples Outskirts of the city. Usually on the Mountains.

But people WILL complain if you burn incense or offerings inside an apartment lobby, or near the door. Even if the person died there.


Oh hey, here's an idea.
Instead of having a Hospice where people go to die, why don't they just die... at home? with thier family? Like Asian people do?

Oh wait. People don't want a loved one dying inside thier home. It'll remind them of death. Let's have a building where people go to die, and not expect any complaints.:troll:

I lived next to a Hospice in the Old House before we moved as a kid.
It's not as "Peaceful" as the rest of you think. Maybe it was just bad luck, but every 2-3 weeks, there would be a flood of people coming in to escort the person to the funeral Home. Or you would see a family member outside crying when they weren't able to control thier emoions inside.

Sure, it's suppose to be a "peaceful" place to die, but when you see these family members in such a state, it's depressing.

My Parents weren't fond of the idea of living next to one, but we moved after 4 years since it wasn't a good place for kids to grow up, seeing a place associated with death all the time.

Imagine having kids, aged 4 and 7, outside playing in the yard. Seeing a Hearse pulling in, and a Coffin being brought into it with a row of Pallbearers, once a month, then wondering where one of the "people from the house" went.

Volunteering at a Hospice is one thing.
Living next to one is another.

[Nocardia]

I'm working on an assignment at the moment, so I don't have time to research this myself, I shouldn't even be on RS actually..

I believe hospices are funded almost entirely by donation, they are not a component of the government sponsored health care program, can someone confirm?

No, there are many that are government funded. Some are private, some are semi-private, some are public.

[Nocardia]

I came here to see what people on RS had to say about this and bam, 6 pages. So after reading 6 pages, I have a lot to say because I wanted to say something on this topic due to my experience, but no one reads long posts. So instead, I pose questions for discussion:

1. Hospice is a learning experience for medical professionals, so is a university, good match?

2. UBC is a university, how come people who don't go/work to the university live on campus?

3. Where on UBC property can you buy a a condo for < $1 million?

4. If this hospice brings bad luck due to death, wouldn't a pediatric hospice be much worse? Look at googlemaps street view (http://maps.google.ca/maps?ie=UTF8&q=canuck+place&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=canuck+place&hnear=Coquitlam,+Greater+Vancouver+Regional+Distri ct,+British+Columbia&ll=49.251838,-123.14362&spn=0,0.021093&z=16&layer=c&cbll=49.251838,-123.14362&panoid=1JDWRtVETZOblNBJc1QkyQ&cbp=12,125.12,,0,-10.47): can you tell where Canuck Place is?


5. By most responses, people have not been in a hospice before, nor understand them. Do people think many family/friends of the patient cry/bawl when leaving the hospice or when their family member passes?

Subsequent questions to come :)

[MindBomber]

Oh hey, here's an idea.
Instead of having a Hospice where people go to die, why don't they just die... at home? with thier family? Like Asian people do?

Oh wait. People don't want a loved one dying inside thier home. It'll remind them of death. Let's have a building where people go to die, and not expect any complaints.:troll:


Umm.... because people don't have a nursing staff and medical equipment to help keep them comfortable as they pass in their homes.

[Mr.HappySilp]

from reddit, qft;

Point by point:

* The condo owners bought real estate in a highly speculative investment market (being Vancouver. Point is they could have very comfortably bought in a non-speculative market and lived just as easily.)
* Along with the many other risks of owning land, these owners get hit with both undesirable neighbours and potential loss of value (or at least stunted land value growth) given the local developments around their property.
* The zoning laws and development permits allowed for such things as a hospice to be built next door, and the time to act/contest on said development permits has long passed (the place is doing open houses, obviously they aren't in the phase of applying for building permits still..)
* It could be argued that it is the condo owner's responsibility to protect their investment (proactively.) NOT the city. Especially in a speculative growth market like Vancouver.
* The condo owners missed the boat on acting before the hospice was approved for construction (which is no one else but the owners fault.)
* The condo owners have no other option, so they pull the race/culture card to gain media attention in hopes to protect their investment.
* In our society, it's not politically correct to discredit the race/culture card.
* In our society, headlines and stories that feature the race/culture card tend to sell newspapers or attract broadcast listeners.

Maybe the developments snealy and quietly submitted this progject and didn't send out enough notice to the general public that's why no one knows about it?

Is not like the devepers send letters and hold meetings with the apartments owners or anything. I am sure if they did all the ppl complain now would have complain then and make a fuss about it.

[SpuGen]

Umm.... because people don't have a nursing staff and medical equipment to help keep them comfortable as they pass in their homes.

They offer the service to have a Nurse + Supplies for you to pass in your own home.

[Mr.C]

After thinking better, I've come to the conclusion these people that are complaining are attention-whores. If they weren't, they wouldn't throw race in the middle, and just stick to the whole property value loss. That might have given them less of a negative backlash.

[deep87]

Maybe the developments snealy and quietly submitted this progject and didn't send out enough notice to the general public that's why no one knows about it?

Is not like the devepers send letters and hold meetings with the apartments owners or anything. I am sure if they did all the ppl complain now would have complain then and make a fuss about it.

If I owned a 1mil condo I would make it my businesses to know what is being constructed around me, not wait until the open house to object. Unless ofcourse your an offshore investor who usually solves problems by throwing money at it...:troll:

[Munny]

As insensitive as their comments sound, they're just trying to protect their live savings and keep their property values high.

In anycase, take a page out of Chazz Reinhold and get on that funeral party poon game.

[impreza_scott]

oh noes teh precious asians are scurred

[MindBomber]

They offer the service to have a Nurse + Supplies for you to pass in your own home.

A. The government does not offer to pay for a nurse stay in your home 24/7.
B. It's not supplies like rubber gloves and pain pills, it's sophisticated equipment that can't be easily moved and set-up in people's homes.

If your going to try to present a point at least think about it for a moment before you do it, because this is the most idiotic thing anyone has said on RS in a long time.

[rb]

After reading that article, it makes me wonder how some downright retarded people could afford a million dollar condo.

[SpuGen]

A. The government does not offer to pay for a nurse stay in your home 24/7.
B. It's not supplies like rubber gloves and pain pills, it's sophisticated equipment that can't be easily moved and set-up in people's homes.

If your going to try to present a point at least think about it for a moment before you do it, because this is the most idiotic thing anyone has said on RS in a long time.

Do YOUR research.

This gets covered in your Health Care.

Take Blue Cross for Example.
It Covers Nursing Care, AND a Final Expense Benefit. As well as a Survivor Benefit to cover any loose ends.

My Neighbour died in her home during the Final Stages of Cancer, and Blue Cross paid for everything.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Do YOUR research.

This gets covered in your Health Care.

Take Blue Cross for Example.
It Covers Nursing Care, AND a Final Expense Benefit. As well as a Survivor Benefit to cover any loose ends.

My Neighbour died in her home during the Final Stages of Cancer, and Blue Cross paid for everything.

^Isn't Blue Cross a private insurance company? It's not part of the msp, iirc.

edit: Blue Cross vs. MSP
http://www.pac.bluecross.ca/corp/howbenefitswork/healthinsurance/diffpbc-msp.aspx

[bing]

Please don't bunch all immigrants together. Seriously, don't go there. I HATE it when people say this shit. It's like using the race card. Soooo annoying.

It is still my opinion that, if you have a million bucks to drop on an overpriced condo, and you don't like what's being built next to it, sell it. I mean, you're already rich, you take a 20-30k loss, good for you, you'r not living next to an evil place. Or something. Would be worse if there was a crack shack next to the apartment.

Edit: All of the examples you have given are things that *may* devalue a property. I've never heard of hospices devaluing properties. Heck, even a quick google search doesn't bring anything up. I'd have to ask some realtors about that one.

So because someone has money, its OK to force them to lose money on their devalued property? Easy for you to say as its not your money. One million dollars for a property, most people will never be able to afford that in a lifetime. With canadian wages as depressed as they are and tax rates so high, most people will make under 2 million in their lifetime (before tax).

Just because you've never heard of it devaluing a property does not mean it does not happen.

I would not complain if the rules in the contract allow UBC to build whatever on their land (which I would have researched before buying). If not, I would join up with the other owners and sue UBC if my property loss was a significant amount of value and move out if it bothered me that much. I personally am not superstitious about the hospice, and am definitely more understanding about what the people are going through, but I do care about the value and I would feel cheated if UBC did not do any consultations with condo owners beforehand.

[Valour]

The chinese condo owners are exercising their freedom and democratic rights. This should be applauded.

If they were black, the hospice would get shot up
If they were muslim, it would get blown up
If they were Japanese, the UBC president would get their pinky finger cut off
If they were vietnamese, they would give half their weed to the hospice to not rat about the grow ops
If they were East Indian, they would park their taxis in the hospice' stalls
If they were filipino, they would sing karaoke on max volume till the dead came back to life.
If they were native, well... they'd be drunk
If they were white, they would come over, praise you for your "courage" in facing your final hours then come back in the black of night and burn it down.

[Presto]

Do YOUR research.

This gets covered in your Health Care.

Take Blue Cross for Example.
It Covers Nursing Care, AND a Final Expense Benefit. As well as a Survivor Benefit to cover any loose ends.

My Neighbour died in her home during the Final Stages of Cancer, and Blue Cross paid for everything.

Do YOUR research. Blue Cross =/= Medical Services Plan. It's optional coverage, and you don't get it unless you pay premiums toward it.

[GabAlmighty]

Lamp?

[MindBomber]

Do YOUR research. Blue Cross =/= Medical Services Plan. It's optional coverage, and you don't get it unless you pay premiums toward it.

I'll just add to what Presto said..

I'm not interested in researching Blue Cross plan options, but I'm fairly certain Nurses wouldn't be present 24-7 and I doubt you would have access to a palliative care physician during the day.

I'm almost certain that if you needed more advanced care and equipment, a dialysis machine for instance, it wouldn't be purchased and delivered to your home courtesy of blue cross. Your the expert SpuGen, will they?

If the washroom in their home isn't equipped for a disabled person, many people in a hospice are to weak to walk and need wheel chairs, will blue cross renovate it for them?

What the persons bedroom doesn't have enough electrical outlets or the proper ones to run medical equipment, blue cross will hire an electrician right?

What if there's a power outage, the patients home will need to be equipped with a generator to prevent the medical equipment from shutting down, will blue cross pay for that?

[BNR32_Coupe]

So because someone has money, its OK to force them to lose money on their devalued property? Easy for you to say as its not your money. One million dollars for a property, most people will never be able to afford that in a lifetime. With canadian wages as depressed as they are and tax rates so high, most people will make under 2 million in their lifetime (before tax).

Just because you've never heard of it devaluing a property does not mean it does not happen.

I would not complain if the rules in the contract allow UBC to build whatever on their land (which I would have researched before buying). If not, I would join up with the other owners and sue UBC if my property loss was a significant amount of value and move out if it bothered me that much. I personally am not superstitious about the hospice, and am definitely more understanding about what the people are going through, but I do care about the value and I would feel cheated if UBC did not do any consultations with condo owners beforehand.

seems like you're choosing to ignore the various testaments citing the lack of evidence in the devaluation of property relative to adjacent hospice locations. hear no evil, see no evil...

[Spectre_Cdn]

Tonight's top story on Global News, with comments from 3 tenants:
http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/index.html?releasePID=WXkzA0pjspXBhZre_72Zyjy_bv6N WCna

Some snippets (may not be word for word):
"Ghosts will rise up and harass us"
"It's like a ghost town"
"Chinese or other Asians with similar beliefs will not want to buy this property"

:facepalm:
Just because there is a large population of "Chinese and other Asians" in the Lower Mainland doesn't mean they are the only people shopping for real estate here. Her, along with her posse's, crude comments make me cringe - thanks for further worsening the stereotype of Chinese people, bitch. We're trying to make Vancouver a world-class city, yet we have all these narrow-minded individuals with primitive minds. :\

[MindBomber]

^skip to 14:40 for the story.

[twitchyzero]

the 'property owners' are getting :troll:ed, because they don't actually own the property. The University Endowment Lands are just on lease for 99 years.

[Qmx323]

3890

This is what they're afraid of :troll:

[EmperorIS]

omg... those chinese owners saying ghost gonna attack them are so :facepalm:

why can't they just be honest that they are scared of the decrease property value and that they don't want to see a hospice in a residential area

its not like anyone in their right mind want to see a place that reminds them of dying people

[MindBomber]

omg... those chinese owners saying ghost gonna attack them are so :facepalm:

why can't they just be honest that they are scared of the decrease property value and that they don't want to see a hospice in a residential area

its not like anyone in their right mind want to see a place that reminds them of dying people

I'm in my right mind and it doesn't bother me, besides, it's a UBC so research centers and other commercial buildings are to be expected.

[SpuGen]

Do YOUR research. Blue Cross =/= Medical Services Plan. It's optional coverage, and you don't get it unless you pay premiums toward it.

http://www.pac.bluecross.ca/pdf-bin/370/34-70-210_rates.pdf

Small, Small price for a Premium.

Hey MindBomber.

Go live next to a Hospice, and tell me how that goes.
I lived at my old house for 5 years. From 4-9.

All you hear at night are people crying. Family members, and the patients themselves. It's not fun.

[El Bastardo]

why can't they just be honest that they are scared of the decrease property value and that they don't want to see a hospice in a residential area

its not like anyone in their right mind want to see a place that reminds them of dying people



If they're not scared of looking retarded by talking about ghost attacks on the evening news, chances are the idea of 'decreased property value' doesn't even enter their radar.

I genuinely believe that these people are scared of gwai.

[EmperorIS]

I'm in my right mind and it doesn't bother me, besides, it's a UBC so research centers and other commercial buildings are to be expected.

you say it like you wouldn't mind actually living in a hospice

[EmperorIS]

If they're not scared of looking retarded by talking about ghost attacks on the evening news, chances are the idea of 'decreased property value' doesn't even enter their radar.

I genuinely believe that these people are scared of gwai.

yeah lol they really didn't think this through...
either that they smart enough to use the culture card just to gain some attention. trying to play that race card saying UBC isn't minding cultures

the funny thing is theres no 4 in the building .. no 4th, 14th floor .. the address is 2688... this property was targeted to Asians from the get go... hard to say this property wasn't targeted to Asians in the first place

[MindBomber]

$125,000 worth of insurance payments is very affordable, especially when you consider that the most comprehensive plan only covers $5000 worth of private nursing care a year.

oh.. and the four days worth of nursing a person could receive can't be used for palliative care.

* Palliative care services and the services of an RN to assist with activities of daily living are not covered.


Small, Small price for a Premium..

[Mr.HappySilp]

Tonight's top story on Global News, with comments from 3 tenants:
http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/index.html?releasePID=WXkzA0pjspXBhZre_72Zyjy_bv6N WCna

Some snippets (may not be word for word):
"Ghosts will rise up and harass us"
"It's like a ghost town"
"Chinese or other Asians with similar beliefs will not want to buy this property"

:facepalm:
Just because there is a large population of "Chinese and other Asians" in the Lower Mainland doesn't mean they are the only people shopping for real estate here. Her, along with her posse's, crude comments make me cringe - thanks for further worsening the stereotype of Chinese people, bitch. We're trying to make Vancouver a world-class city, yet we have all these narrow-minded individuals with primitive minds. :\

Is true though a lot of ppl form Asian or even some Canadians, Americans..... do not want to live next to a hospice. The potential market for these apartments will decrease thus, resulting decrease in value.

Beside how can anyone say that the ppl living in the hospice or their friends or relatives won't cry, scream, make noise or bring their unhappiness to the environment?

In the end these people have every right to protest but they use such a lame excuse. What they could have done is complain that the project was never mention to them or there are no notice saying they are going to build a hospice till it is too late or make it sound like UBC is doing this without any considernation of anyone that lives near that area.

[Anjew]

:banghead:

i'm currently house hunting and i can relate to the negative impact building a hospice can cause. If you think that property wont devalue when that hospice gets built then sorry but you're ignorant.

people perceive a hospice to relate to death, sorrow, sickness and in extreme cases bad luck. Regardless of race, when people are looking for a place to purchase, the hospice will be one of the major factors to consider before purchasing at that location. it may not be one of YOUR factors but you goddamn better believe it will be one for any prospective buyers. there wont be any proof of devaluation but it will certainly drive off a large chunk of prospective buyers especially with Vancouver's large Asian population.

[goo3]

I found the design for the hospice! From their condo view:

http://www.artsjournal.com/aestheticgrounds/big4b.JPG

:fullofwin:

What can you say when you market to superstitious ppl? Live by the sword, die by it.

[dbaz]

wtf that one lady was comparing this to halloween seriously?

[Ronin]

It's motherfucking Asians like this that make the rest of us facepalm. It just makes all Asians look like goddamn ignorant morons that only believe in superstition, symbolism and other idiocy. Maybe it's because I was born here in Vancouver and I think just about all Asian (Chinese to be specific) beliefs and superstitions are stupid...but they ARE fucking stupid! If a white person told you they were afraid of the number 13, black cats or ladders, we would all think he's a loony...but apparently it's perfectly fine and somehow worth defending on an internet message board if the subject is Asian.

Ghosts!? Are you serious? Of all things to be complaining about...really?

Chris Rock once said that he loves black people but he fucking hates...

n-word ahoy!niggers

That applies here. I love Chinese food, I enjoy a lot of stuff that we Asians do, the majority of my friends are Asian...but goddammit do I hate these FOBs.

GHOSTS!?

I hope this place gets built and the address is "44444 University Avenue" or something like that.

[Ronin]

Well let's put it this way. I am Chinese and been living in Canada since I was 8 (20years lish). I don't believe in ghost or anything but if I were to spend 1million for a house/apartment I would sure want it to be in a quite place with no hospital, Police station, hospice or any sort.

When I come home I want to be in a relax environment. Although I don't see dead bodies and stuff like that around a hospice but I will see family and friends of those that have been submitted into the hospice which I mean looking at them they are going to be sad, thus making my mood not as good/great/happy as it should be. Also, I don't like having so many strangers around the area where I live and I am pretty sure with a hospice there are going to be a lot of strangers around.

Ask yourself honestly will you spend 1million of pay $2k+ rent each month to live next to a hospice or find another place to buy/rent? Is not about seeing ghost or Asian thing or anything else. Is when people have a choice they will chose the best value with their money. Just like a lot Rsers when they buy something from Buy and Sell they lowball the buyer so they can get a better deal or when they are modding their cars or buying a new car we shop around for the best deal/services.

Just like all these car manfacture recalls say Honda knows there is some defect with their car but they try not to fix it and sell it you anyways. When you bought it then it was made public but they won't fix it, you have to pay to get it fix or live with it. And let's just assume you sign a contract saying Honda is not responsibilty for your car of any defect. I am sure you will be pretty piss too.

Seriously? I might understand if it was a cemetery but it's not like these people are parading around and shouting "HEY LOOK AT ME...I'M DYING!"

It really shouldn't matter. There's no way those folks would ever bother anyone and they would probably seldom be outside for prolonged periods of time.

I don't get why the hospice would affect anyone. So the people inside are dying...so what? People die all the time. It's highly unlikely that anyone inside that building would know anyone at the hospice. There should be no emotional response to them dying...I don't get why you think it's depressing. Why would you be sad that someone you don't know is dying?

Do you reach for the phone to donate every time you see African kids dying on TV?

[Ronin]

In the end, this will just get build because UBC doesn't give a flying fuck what a bunch of spoiled immigrants say. Hospices are more important and having it in such close proximity to the UBC hospital is a plus.

I understand not wanting to live next to..."undesirable" demographics. I don't want to live in the Olympic Village, for example, with the low income housing crowd or in the DTES. But these are just old people...well, no, the young die too...these are just dying people...how on earth would their being there affect other people in the area?

It's not like they're going to break into your house and steal your TV to pawn off for crack.

You're not going to have to hide yo' kids and hide yo' wife because they rapin' errbody up in here.

They're just dying...they're not going to bother you. If no one knew it was a hospice, it would just be another building and no one inside it would ever influence what happens apart from maybe an ambulance showing up every so often.

For all of us sane people in this thread....

Group buy on cheap, previously Asian-owned condos? :troll:

[Greenstoner]

haha, im chinese and i bet these chinese who bought the house in UBC wanted their kids to be influenced by living in a place that is so close to one of the best school in BC.

its a chinese culture that by living near the school, the kids tends to study more and willing to accept education.

Trust me, im probably 95% right on this.

Since they have these kind of belief in the first place ( surrounding influence one's life), you gotta be damn sure they are upset about a hospice building next to it.... its stupid, but you cant really blame them.

ill provide a well-known Chinese story on top..

"Mencius' mother is often held up as an exemplary female figure in Chinese culture. One of the most famous traditional Chinese four-character idioms is 孟母三遷 (mèng mǔ sān qiān; literal translation: "Mencius' mother, three moves").

This saying refers to the legend that Mencius' mother moved house three times before finding a location that she felt was suitable for the child's upbringing. As an expression, the idiom refers to the importance of finding the proper environment for raising children.

Mencius's father died when he was very young. His mother Zhang (仉) raised her son alone. They were very poor. At first they lived by a cemetery, where the mother found her son imitating the paid mourners in funeral processions. Therefore the mother decided to move. The next house was near a market in the town. There the boy began to imitate the cries of merchants (merchants were despised in early China). So the mother moved to a house next to a school. Inspired by the scholars and students, Mencius began to study. His mother decided to remain, and Mencius became a scholar."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius

[dimdiu]

Isn't this obvious this goddamn topic is going nowhere? What the fuck are u guys even arguing about?? And ppl, admit it, all of you deep down hate asian in some way. I'm born in Hong Kong but came here when i was 7. To be honest, I hate asians like no others, the fucking retarded clothings, fucking personality, thinks they are coolest etc...i could go on forever. But you guys seems to bash asians for being...too rich? Bash all you want but please, not on the cultural side. I dun give a fuck how you bash asians, cuz in some case, i even agree. But on the cultural side, it's something what we've been taught when we were young. My grandmother died at the end of last year, and we did all the traditional things that were believed to make her "leave peacefully"Believe it or not, there's a way to tell if one left peacefully just by the way how one died.

Respecting someone's cultural beliefs is also the same as having respect for yourself. Don't fuking bash their beliefs just because we are in Canada, you bash them because you speak for yourself, not for the fucking country. Asian's cultural beliefs to us asian aren't just a belief, it's something some of us truly believe in and will be reminded of our love ones.

EDIT: After reading the entire thread, seems like some of you are just bashing because they own a $1 mil condo...seems like it to me. For those owners that are afraid of ghost, they are taking it too far. If you dun offend them, i see no point in them offending you...fuking stubborn asians. But living beside a hospice is a whole new story

I've lived near the hospice in Richmond growing up and honestly, you'd never notice it was there. Our property values didn't go down because we lived near it and we certainly didn't have any problems selling our land either.

That's just one property. Lemme know if you've lived through 50 properties that are placed beside a hospice and non of the resale value dropped because of it.

[2damaxmr2]

I ror'd.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

That's just one property. Lemme know if you've lived through 50 properties that are placed beside a hospice and non of the resale value dropped because of it.

Hey I'm giving my experiences from living by one. There are other records showing no depression in property values near other hospices.

Why stop at 50? There are more than 50 units @ Hawthorn Place.

The problem with their argument is that they didn't use "potential" drop in property value as their major reason. Also, that drop in resale value is based on if you were only trying to sell it to someone of Asian background. Too bad that there are others that would move there if given the chance. It's not like if they build a hospice there, your property assessment the next year would show a 25% drop in land value.

If I was living in that building and was against it, I would have organized a committee and properly put out a formal complaint to the UBC board and the media. Don't let a bunch of random residents spout off about ghosts and shit.

Ultimately, there is greater good for the community with having a hospice on UBC grounds than the cons of having some condos sell for a little less. Sorry, but there have been numerous cases of condo owners trying to go up against urban planning/development and you're pretty much shit out of luck.

[Mr.C]

So because someone has money, its OK to force them to lose money on their devalued property? Easy for you to say as its not your money. One million dollars for a property, most people will never be able to afford that in a lifetime. With canadian wages as depressed as they are and tax rates so high, most people will make under 2 million in their lifetime (before tax).

Just because you've never heard of it devaluing a property does not mean it does not happen.

I would not complain if the rules in the contract allow UBC to build whatever on their land (which I would have researched before buying). If not, I would join up with the other owners and sue UBC if my property loss was a significant amount of value and move out if it bothered me that much. I personally am not superstitious about the hospice, and am definitely more understanding about what the people are going through, but I do care about the value and I would feel cheated if UBC did not do any consultations with condo owners beforehand.

On the same coin, just because they say the property will be devalued, doesn't mean it actually will be. Speaking of losing money, my family has lost money on property due to actions of the state, and it certainly pisses me off still. In our case, we can prove that the actions have caused us to lose money, but what about in their case? Bet if they can prove there is a devaluation, they might be able to sue for compensation; however, putting superstitions in the mix is not a good way to get people on your side.

[milkmilk101]

Simple question.. If one gonna build a whorehouse beside ur kids' school, would you bring ur kids to another school? Not like the kids gona see anything going on next door but is the influence that do harm.

As an aisan I won't want to live anywhere near hospital, hospice, cemetery or anything like that. You can call me superstitious or bs or anything you want but that's how we asian are. I think the topics states people protesting and i guess most of those protesters are asians as well? And most here are judging them from a western POV? that's not fair? I just like me saying all those Christians praying to a dead man pinned on a cross and waste your sunday morning is stupid (no offence). But that's exactly what most people here are saying. We asians are superstitious you like it or not and now we paid so much to buy a nice house and you build something against our value or course the asians are gonna be pissed. Put yourself in their shoes. The problem here is not whether being superstitious is right or not. The problem is that UBC have not consider the opinions of house owners of the area and built something that would offend a percentage of the owners. I dont agree with people who said this is canada and people should live the canadian way of life and UBC dont need to consider their feeling. Vancouver is a muticultural city and authorities should consider everyone's value be it Chinese, Indian or whites.

[Meowjin]

how the fuck can you misspell fucking asian wrong.

[dbaz]

As an aisan I won't want to live anywhere near hospital, hospice, cemetery or anything like that.

Why arnt they telling ubc to get rid of the hospital too then

[StylinRed]

Simple question.. If one gonna build a whorehouse beside ur kids' school, would you bring ur kids to another school? Not like the kids gona see anything going on next door but is the influence that do harm.

As an aisan I won't want to live anywhere near hospital, hospice, cemetery or anything like that. You can call me superstitious or bs or anything you want but that's how we asian are. I think the topics states people protesting and i guess most of those protesters are asians as well? And most here are judging them from a western POV? that's not fair? I just like me saying all those Christians praying to a dead man pinned on a cross and waste your sunday morning is stupid (no offence). But that's exactly what most people here are saying. We asians are superstitious you like it or not and now we paid so much to buy a nice house and you build something against our value or course the asians are gonna be pissed. Put yourself in their shoes. The problem here is not whether being superstitious is right or not. The problem is that UBC have not consider the opinions of house owners of the area and built something that would offend a percentage of the owners. I dont agree with people who said this is canada and people should live the canadian way of life and UBC dont need to consider their feeling. Vancouver is a muticultural city and authorities should consider everyone's value be it Chinese, Indian or whites.

hmm just look at all the places selling those paper products to burn for the dead or all those little temples creamation places etc etc in Hong Kong, etc right under next to their million dollar apartments people deal with it.

you know what happens when people bitch to the developer etc when one of those places is built in HK etc? they get told to fuck off

put a little octagon mirror on the entrance to the apartment if they're going to be crazy about it
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TRAqaIlML._SL500_AA300_.jpg

buncha fuckin drama queens


and to compare a hospice with a whore house?? what the fuck is wrong with you??? and why would i bring my kids to another school when i can call the cops and have them shut it down? full of fail



and a hospice isn't a morgue or anything like that that's just so inconsiderate and rude to suggest consider it more in line with a hospital / seniors home

Id hate to be related to any of those crying, if i was their elder, id be worried about my future since they'd likely be too scared to look after me

[MindBomber]

put a little octagon mirror on the entrance to the apartment if they're going to be crazy about it
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TRAqaIlML._SL500_AA300_.jpg


I assume its part of Asian superstition, but whats the little octagon mirror do?

[StylinRed]

it reflects negative energy back so essentially it'll keep all the bad stuff out of the apartment complex ;)

[MindBomber]

it reflects negative energy back so essentially it'll keep all the bad stuff out of the apartment complex ;)

Problem solved, I'll drop one off for them tomorrow so they can :stfu:

[milkmilk101]

how the fuck can you misspell fucking asian wrong.

by typing too fast that the i come before the s? you have a problem with that?

[milkmilk101]

you know what happens when people bitch to the developer etc when one of those places is built in HK etc? they get told to fuck off

put a little octagon mirror on the entrance to the apartment if they're going to be crazy about it
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TRAqaIlML._SL500_AA300_.jpg

buncha fuckin drama queens


and to compare a hospice with a whore house?? what the fuck is wrong with you??? and why would i bring my kids to another school when i can call the cops and have them shut it down? full of fail



and a hospice isn't a morgue or anything like that that's just so inconsiderate and rude to suggest consider it more in line with a hospital / seniors home

Id hate to be related to any of those crying, if i was their elder, id be worried about my future since they'd likely be too scared to look after me

FYI, do you know how many questionnaires and survey and application and paper work developers have to go through before you can build something simple as a elder homes in a residental estate, let alone a high end real estate. Its more like the land owners and government tell the developers to eff off and not the other way round.

[milkmilk101]

And honestly, if I am so sick and dying, and I am gona die any time soon, why the heck would I want to stay in a hospice? I'd rather stay home and die there.

[Ronin]

Probably because you can't live on your own and can't afford a private nursing staff.
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[StylinRed]

And honestly, if I am so sick and dying, and I am gona die any time soon, why the heck would I want to stay in a hospice? I'd rather stay home and die there.

because all your family are afraid of death etc because its unlucky and they throw your ass out

[adambomb]

Hospice or home?

I want to die in a whorehouse. :fullofwin:

[goo3]

You know, if you're open to trying to read what he's trying to say instead of how he's saying it, he actually has a point. Read this (his ESL is perfectly legible if you've passed grade 12):


And most here are judging them from a western POV? that's not fair? I just like me saying all those Christians praying to a dead man pinned on a cross and waste your sunday morning is stupid (no offence).

We asians are superstitious you like it or not and now we paid so much to buy a nice house and you build something against our value or course the asians are gonna be pissed
I dont agree with people who said this is canada and people should live the canadian way of life and UBC dont need to consider their feeling. Vancouver is a muticultural city and authorities should consider everyone's value be it Chinese, Indian or whites.

Think about it.. he's seen two cultures with really different belief systems whereas most of you have only lived through one. No, multicultural Vancouver doesn't count.. it tends to wash everything down to a happy medium to make everything work.

Like it or not, the world is huge and there are ppl who grow up with beliefs that originate from more fucked up times and who aren't willing to move from them. What would happen if you tried to be noble and built a hospice in Asia next to rich folk at a University? You'd be writing posts with shitty grammar on RS-Asia saying how great it would be for families of the dying and everybody would think this fuckin idiot might as well build a whorehouse.

Anyway, carry on! :fullofwin:

[quasi]

Nobody is forcing them to stay, they can always sell and move in the wake of not wanting to live next to sick people. I'd much rather have a hospice then a halfway house near me. I hope they ram it down their throats and don't give a fuck what they think just cause it would be funny.

[talula]

yea cause moving your house is simple :rolleyes:

[PiuYi]

how is this thread still going on?? i thought it was a fairly subjective thing...... protesters gonna protest, developers gonna develop, thats that


only on RS can such a small thing turn into a big racial extravaganza hahah

[EmperorIS]

Nobody is forcing them to stay, they can always sell and move in the wake of not wanting to live next to sick people. I'd much rather have a hospice then a halfway house near me. I hope they ram it down their throats and don't give a fuck what they think just cause it would be funny.

let me build a oil rig beside your house.. if you don't like it, you can leave.

this oil rig will bring revenue to the province and prosperity for everyone.

ooh i'm sorry it effects you because you can't stand the oil and the skyscraper tower beside your house? too bad lemme ram it down your throat

[StylinRed]

Think about it.. he's seen two cultures with really different belief systems whereas most of you have only lived through one. No, multicultural Vancouver doesn't count.. it tends to wash everything down to a happy medium to make everything work.


are you new to RS??? it says 2004 but it sounds like you're new because you'd realize that like 99% of us are multicultural and grew up influenced by other clutures other than Canadas multiculturalism

you fall into the group that always goes too far when it comes to political correctness

[EmperorIS]

how is this thread still going on?? i thought it was a fairly subjective thing...... protesters gonna protest, developers gonna develop, thats that


only on RS can such a small thing turn into a big racial extravaganza hahah


its on going because theres alot of ppl here that doesn't understand this is more then a culture disagreement.

and alot here just have the view point of ... if you don't like it you can GTFO attitude. they make it sound like they wouldn't mind living in a Hospice and that its only Asians that have this fear of of the dieing and theres going to be no decrease in value whatsoever..

what they fail to realize is .. theres is a close to a majority of Asians in Vancouver so if this is actually an Asian culture superstition then no shit theres going to be a decrease in value because there is ALOT of Asians in Vancouver that won't buy it

[Mr.C]

how is this thread still going on?? i thought it was a fairly subjective thing...... protesters gonna protest, developers gonna develop, thats that


only on RS can such a small thing turn into a big racial extravaganza hahah

Well, actually, the people who live there turned it into a racial extravaganza. If they had just went and bitched that it would kill the land values because nobody wants to live near a place where there is so much sorrow, people would have been much more sympathetic. Better luck next time for them.

Edit: Can someone post proof that houses next to hospices actually reduce land values? Because otherwise, your argument is flawed and makes you look stupid. Whorehouses will kill land values. So would an oil rig (not that you can technically build one in a city, lol, but whatever). That has been documented. What about hospices?

[EmperorIS]

Well, actually, the people who live there turned it into a racial extravaganza. If they had just went and bitched that it would kill the land values because nobody wants to live near a place where there is so much sorrow, people would have been much more sympathetic. Better luck next time for them.


we have something we agree on :)

[Mr.C]

we have something we agree on :)

And that's the whole point for a lot of people. I get what they are saying, but when they said it's bad luck for chinese yada yada yada, people just turned on them. If they had just bitched about it in a, well, non-racial way, there would be no issue. They said it was superstitions first, land values second, and since nobody really gives a fuck about your superstitions, well... There you have it.

[MindBomber]

Well, actually, the people who live there turned it into a racial extravaganza. If they had just went and bitched that it would kill the land values because nobody wants to live near a place where there is so much sorrow, people would have been much more sympathetic. Better luck next time for them.

Edit: Can someone post proof that houses next to hospices actually reduce land values? Because otherwise, your argument is flawed and makes you look stupid. Whorehouses will kill land values. So would an oil rig (not that you can technically build one in a city, lol, but whatever). That has been documented. What about hospices?

The first part of your post is probably the closest thing to a unanimously agreeable statement I've ever seen on any forum.

The second part, did you see the post a few pages back where someone put time into a fairly well supported post about the potential decrease in land values?

[bing]

On the same coin, just because they say the property will be devalued, doesn't mean it actually will be. Speaking of losing money, my family has lost money on property due to actions of the state, and it certainly pisses me off still. In our case, we can prove that the actions have caused us to lose money, but what about in their case? Bet if they can prove there is a devaluation, they might be able to sue for compensation; however, putting superstitions in the mix is not a good way to get people on your side.

well at this point it is concern that there will be property devaluation, which from my POV raises valid points. Yes, lots of people have 1 million to spend on housing, but how many are willing to spend 1 million on a condo (as compared to a house)? and at ubc? I will say for a fact Chinese culture highly values education and that could be a big reason they chose to buy there, don't know if that is a big enough reason for other people to justify the high price. I am also not of the belief that there is more utility in having a 15 bed hospice there compared with the dissatisfaction of a whole tower of people already living there. You ask them to simply leave, to uproot themselves after all that investment and time spent picking this location to live. Could the hospice be located elsewhere on UBC land, out of the "backyards" of the condos? Aside from this issue, the residents tend to be your regular law abiding citizens, which I cannot say the same of many of others in this country. They didn't come on a damn boat at least and eat up all our tax dollars in welfare.

since most people do not understand the Chinese relationship between spirits does not mean they can be disregarded. I think these immigrants have trouble describing it as their English is not very good so it seems what they are saying is crazy talk. Also, does this country not pride itself on multiculturalism and cultural understandings? I think there needs to be more communication and less ethnocentrism.

[GrapeDrink]

Simple question.. If one gonna build a whorehouse beside ur kids' school, would you bring ur kids to another school? Not like the kids gona see anything going on next door but is the influence that do harm.

As an aisan I won't want to live anywhere near hospital, hospice, cemetery or anything like that. You can call me superstitious or bs or anything you want but that's how we asian are. I think the topics states people protesting and i guess most of those protesters are asians as well? And most here are judging them from a western POV? that's not fair? I just like me saying all those Christians praying to a dead man pinned on a cross and waste your sunday morning is stupid (no offence). But that's exactly what most people here are saying. We asians are superstitious you like it or not and now we paid so much to buy a nice house and you build something against our value or course the asians are gonna be pissed. Put yourself in their shoes. The problem here is not whether being superstitious is right or not. The problem is that UBC have not consider the opinions of house owners of the area and built something that would offend a percentage of the owners. I dont agree with people who said this is canada and people should live the canadian way of life and UBC dont need to consider their feeling. Vancouver is a muticultural city and authorities should consider everyone's value be it Chinese, Indian or whites.

See that is the thing, their whole is argument holds no weight because its based on their superstition, which is of course baseless. Had they built something that was going to change the conditions of their well being and etc, something measurable then maybe they got a case. Also please don;'t generalize your thoughts for all asians, my family moved here from China and we don't believe in any of that superstitious stuff because we have a very low tolerance for something called bullshit:fullofwin:, I mean really ? how are people going to be half way superstitious anyways, like if they actually believe in ghosts and spirits following hospices, do you really think ghosts won't cross the street or travel a couple blocks to haunt you lol come on sonnnn

[EmperorIS]

regardless if it is a chinese superstition or not i doubt a majority of anyone from any culture (except for mindblower ofcourse) would want a place dedicated to dying people beside their house

i don't get how hard is it to take that in to consideration

[Spectre_Cdn]

how is this thread still going on?? i thought it was a fairly subjective thing...... protesters gonna protest, developers gonna develop, thats that


only on RS can such a small thing turn into a big racial extravaganza hahah

This "issue" is also currently being discussed on Chinese radio talk shows and in local Chinese forums.

Proof:
http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18429&extra=&page=1
(some posts may require translation)

There are many in the Chinese community who do not support the residents' views, especially when they try to generalize their superstitions as a Chinese thing, as the second woman in the news story stated. Those with the same ethnicity and don't have this "Chinese tradition" are speaking out to draw a line, and also because the general public knows their claims about ghosts and bad luck are, absolute B.S., even if it's just a weak cover for their concerns over property values and investments.

[PiuYi]

^huh.... whaddaya know........ well, then carry on i guess....

[Mr.C]

The first part of your post is probably the closest thing to a unanimously agreeable statement I've ever seen on any forum.

The second part, did you see the post a few pages back where someone put time into a fairly well supported post about the potential decrease in land values?

I saw it, again, it makes sense, but how does it translate to the real world? As in, does it really happen, or is it simply an assumption? If I'm bored, I'll check the area around Canuck Place to see if the values there are lower than some place down the street. Maybe that would give it more weight, don't know.

Oh, and by the way, according to Google Maps, the building is across the street from UBC Hospital, and in it there's an extended care unit, in which people also die all the time. See, doesn't make sense.

Edit: Oh, so its not a unanimous Chinese thing? Guess it's sort of like the crazy bible-thumping white people then.

[misteranswer]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but this part is interesting

It’s not the first time the hospice has met with opposition.

It met with complaints when it was originally planned for Marine Drive, close to Place Vanier student residences.

Joe Stott, director of Campus and Community Planning, said objections came from students who didn’t want to have to keep quiet at night and from Pacific Spirit Park and the Wreck Beach Preservation Society.

[MindBomber]

A percentage of people would be opposed to the idea of living next to a hospice, whether that be due to superstition or any other reason is irrelevant; the outcome is a decreased pool of buyers at the time of sale.

Regardless of the location of the property a person is selling, whether it Coal Harbor or Hope, the buyer pool will always be limited by some factor. It might that it's located on a busy street, in an area with or without lots of kids or a building may have high strata fees, regardless there is always a factor. At UBC a hospice being located next door to an apartment building is just that, but informed open minded buyers looking to purchase at a large research focused university will likely realize that a hospice is a reality of the area and look past it. In an area with an unlimited supply of homes that might lead to a decrease in value, but since this is an area with a very limited supply of properties available I can't see a dramatic drop in values, rather I predict: a decreased Asian population in the building and an influx of buyers belonging to other races.

[SpuGen]

are you new to RS??? it says 2004 but it sounds like you're new because you'd realize that like 99% of us are multicultural and grew up influenced by other clutures other than Canadas multiculturalism

you fall into the group that always goes too far when it comes to political correctness

99%?
More like 30%.

True Multiculturalism involves having people in a society that are open to other cultures.

From what I've seen on this thread, 70% of you are more into Assimilation. Knocking down somebody's beliefs/Culture is NOT MULTICULTURALISM. Even some of you who claim to be of Asian Descent, seem to be ignorant to your own Asian Culture. I get it, you were born here, and you're Canadian, but you're also Chinese.

Wake the fuck up. Not everybody is as lucky as you to be born here. These same people also haven't had the time to Assimilate to Canadian Beliefs. Canada is supposed to be Multicultural. I guess that's just a title and people are throwing that around even though they think differently.

"They're pulling the Race Card because they don't want thier Land Value to go down"
Go pay $1 Million+ For a home, and have something built next door that is against your own beliefs. Then Talk.

"Hospices don't represent Death. They're there so Terminally Ill people can pass in peace. It's also geographically located near Med Students"
Go live next to a Hospice. Not live near, or Volunteer at one. Live next to one for a number of years. Then come back and give your opinion.

[MindBomber]

Since I support the idea of a hospice being built, because I realize it's an essential and deeply valued service to Canadians, I suspect I fall into your assimilation group right?

No contributing member of this thread has knocked down anyones beliefs, knocking down the Chinese superstitions would be saying "those stupid Asians need to realize they're in Canada, they should go back to China or give up their childish ideas". Thats not what I've been saying, nor is it what I believe to any extent whatsoever. What I am saying is, that living in Canada is different from living in Asia and there are cultural differences that need to be accepted by immigrants. Canadian culture values hospice services deeply, to people who have had friends or family pass in a hospice it is a precious and cherished institution, so if you live in close proximity to a hospital one may be built. It's unfortunate that people are upset by the location, but the location couldn't be more ideal and regardless of where it was built someone would have opposed it. There is not an area in Vancouver that a hospice could not be built in close proximity to Asian home owners, so why try to do the impossible and please everyone when it could just build in in the most appropriate location.

I'm sorry your experience with hospices was traumatic as a child, but mine have been very different and thats why I so avidly defend it. I'm not white, my culture has been more strongly affected by assimilation than any other racial group in Canada and I absolutely do not believe any immigrant should feel the need to assimilate.


99%?
More like 30%.

True Multiculturalism involves having people in a society that are open to other cultures.

From what I've seen on this thread, 70% of you are more into Assimilation. Knocking down somebody's beliefs/Culture is NOT MULTICULTURALISM. Even some of you who claim to be of Asian Descent, seem to be ignorant to your own Asian Culture. I get it, you were born here, and you're Canadian, but you're also Chinese.

Wake the fuck up. Not everybody is as lucky as you to be born here. These same people also haven't had the time to Assimilate to Canadian Beliefs. Canada is supposed to be Multicultural. I guess that's just a title and people are throwing that around even though they think differently.

"They're pulling the Race Card because they don't want thier Land Value to go down"
Go pay $1 Million+ For a home, and have something built next door that is against your own beliefs. Then Talk.

"Hospices don't represent Death. They're there so Terminally Ill people can pass in peace. It's also geographically located near Med Students"
Go live next to a Hospice. Not live near, or Volunteer at one. Live next to one for a number of years. Then come back and give your opinion.

[MindBomber]

regardless if it is a chinese superstition or not i doubt a majority of anyone from any culture (except for mindblower ofcourse) would want a place dedicated to dying people beside their house

i don't get how hard is it to take that in to consideration

I don't think I've explained the reasons why it wouldn't bother me, so I will.

In the last two years I've had two family members pass in hospices after spending months in and out of hospitals, seeing them given a final bit of solace in their final days is something I will be eternally gracious for. Unfortunately other members of my family also have the same condition that took my Aunt and Uncles lives and one day, when their time comes, they will likely be in hospices as well. As such, if a hospice were proposed next to my apartment building I would not oppose it's construction. I know how tremendously important they are and accept that they must be built somewhere, if I need to make a minor sacrifice so be it.

Also, if I wanted to live in a strictly residential area I would check the zoning of an area before I bought it to ensure nothing other than family dwellings could be built there.

[StylinRed]

99%?
More like 30%.

True Multiculturalism involves having people in a society that are open to other cultures.

From what I've seen on this thread, 70% of you are more into Assimilation. Knocking down somebody's beliefs/Culture is NOT MULTICULTURALISM. Even some of you who claim to be of Asian Descent, seem to be ignorant to your own Asian Culture. I get it, you were born here, and you're Canadian, but you're also Chinese.

Wake the fuck up.

oh no are you seriously doing the ''no, you're not'' ''yes i am'' argument because i dont agree with asians who have an ulterior motive pretending its a cultural issue? get real spu, ''wake the fuck up'' indeed


as for everyone harping about 1 million dollars.... thats just the average price of a home in vancouver now... its nothing special quit trying to play the money game , even if that was a lot of money who cares??? we're all about equality in canada
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[BNR32_Coupe]

Woah woah woah.. Last few posts totally killed it. Time to poke the fire:

WHITE PEOPLE DONT MIND - BUILD IT IN WEST VAN.

That is all, carry on.
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[Mr.Money]

Poor UBC building,Once 30 years Passes from now,the Chinese in the building will be looking down on others in disgrace for being old in case they pass away and the building it self will become Haunted

[goo3]

are you new to RS??? it says 2004 but it sounds like you're new because you'd realize that like 99% of us are multicultural and grew up influenced by other clutures other than Canadas multiculturalism


I found it fascinating the FOBs in this thread were the ones to bring up the concept of a differing belief system between cultures.. you know, the ones who are supposed to be more narrow-minded than we are. But then us multicultural ones aren't really listening to them...

The level of ignorance in this thread from those who proclaim to be open-minded concerns me.

Actually, no it doesn't. Carry on. :fullofwin:

[StylinRed]

I found it fascinating the FOBs in this thread were the ones to bring up the concept of a differing belief system between cultures.. you know, the ones who are supposed to be more narrow-minded than we are. But then us multicultural ones aren't really listening to them...

The level of ignorance in this thread from those who proclaim to be open-minded concerns me.

Actually, no it doesn't. Carry on. :fullofwin:

ahh but see you're already drawing lines of who you believe are fobs and who you believe arent.. you've decided the fobs want to be open minded (as long as the open mindedness is in their pov) and those who aren't fobs are those who are against the high-rise crybabies

:)

[quasi]

let me build a oil rig beside your house.. if you don't like it, you can leave.

this oil rig will bring revenue to the province and prosperity for everyone.

ooh i'm sorry it effects you because you can't stand the oil and the skyscraper tower beside your house? too bad lemme ram it down your throat

We're not talking about Oil rigs sir. Go ahead and build a hospice I don't mind, matter of fact I'd probably love to do some volunteer work there.

Odds are most of you opposed have never been inside a hospice so you really have no idea what it's actually like. Even though this doesn't effect me either way I truely do hope they push it through will follow for sure.

[EmperorIS]

We're not talking about Oil rigs sir. Go ahead and build a hospice I don't mind, matter of fact I'd probably love to do some volunteer work there.

Odds are most of you opposed have never been inside a hospice so you really have no idea what it's actually like. Even though this doesn't effect me either way I truely do hope they push it through will follow for sure.

well to those residents an hospice is just an much of an eye sore as to you to an oil rig...

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

[quasi]

well to those residents an hospice is just an much of an eye sore as to you to an oil rig...

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

The people who own the land next them I guess.

[MindBomber]

well to those residents an hospice is just an much of an eye sore as to you to an oil rig...

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

Could you suggest a better location to build the hospice?

[taylor192]

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?
Our values are more important. Immigration is wonderful for cultural diversity, bending over backwards for issues that are not exactly pressing is ridiculous.

Canadian values are in constant change, always have been with the immigration that built our country, yet it doesn't mean they change with every issue.

[Graeme S]

let me build a oil rig beside your house.. if you don't like it, you can leave.

this oil rig will bring revenue to the province and prosperity for everyone.

ooh i'm sorry it effects you because you can't stand the oil and the skyscraper tower beside your house? too bad lemme ram it down your throat

There are several differences between an oil rig and this Hospice. An oil rig is noisy, potentially explosive, and insanely sizable. When approaching an oil rig, you can be completely and totally aware of exactly what it is. It can interfere with views, and would typically disrupt your daily life (sleep routines, ability to enjoy your property, etc).

This is a hospice. It is a quiet place of peace for people to pass on into death. Unfortunately both of my grandparents who are approaching death have such unpredictable conditions that make it difficult to say whether they would be able to pass on in a hospice.

Given that these people bought on UBC land, who is to say that a fraternity or sorority wouldn't have rented out one of the common rooms in their condo making a giant racket and mess one time? With parties and craziness, I'm surprised this hospice has even hit the radar.


Canadian values are in constant change, always have been with the immigration that built our country, yet it doesn't mean they change with every issue.

This is very true. Cultural views take time to change, and more often than not new cultural ideas appear and become part of the whole without us really knowing where they come from. Superstitions of the Old Country and the like become watered down and less and less prevalent. My korean coworkers asked me the other day which direction I wanted my apartment to face if I bought a new one. I replied "...why? It depends on what view I could get." which seemed to mystify them.

It turned out one of my coworkers was looking to invest in a condo but all of the condos facing the "good" direction (not related to view) were taken and the others were trying to talk her out of buying in a "bad" direction. She felt reassured that "Canadian people don't care", and ended up purchasing the condo.

Long story short: what one culture believes is not always detrimental to all cultures. Who knows? Maybe this is exactly what the apartment needed; just change the marketing a little and call it "White Supremacist Manor: the only guaranteed Asian-free condo at UBC!"

[Nightwalker]

Maybe they should wander over to UBC where they can have their superstitions dispelled.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Maybe they should wander over to UBC where they can have their superstitions dispelled.

Naw, they'll end up taking Asian studies, a program entirely based on Asian culture
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[Mr.HappySilp]

It turned out one of my coworkers was looking to invest in a condo but all of the condos facing the "good" direction (not related to view) were taken and the others were trying to talk her out of buying in a "bad" direction. She felt reassured that "Canadian people don't care", and ended up purchasing the condo.

Long story short: what one culture believes is not always detrimental to all cultures. Who knows? Maybe this is exactly what the apartment needed; just change the marketing a little and call it "White Supremacist Manor: the only guaranteed Asian-free condo at UBC!"

So just looking at that a lot of your friends would not have purchase the apartments that's facing a bad direction. So those apartment facing a bad direction have their market reduce.

Same thing is going to happen to those 1+million apartment if a hospice is built next to it. It will decrease its value and reduce its market since a large number of people will not or do not want to live near a hospice. So either the apartment will be sold as a lower price or it will take longer to sell.

[Blue_StreakR]

Complaining about a hospice?? Tell them to go and fcuk themselves.

Give me a damn break.

I have heard of people complaining about Skytrain stations, Foster Homes, Prisons, etc, but a Hospice??

What a joke.

[observer]

Asian or not has nothing to do with objecting the project. No need to drag race into it to sensationalize.

[BNR32_Coupe]

So just looking at that a lot of your friends would not have purchase the apartments that's facing a bad direction. So those apartment facing a bad direction have their market reduce.

Same thing is going to happen to those 1+million apartment if a hospice is built next to it. It will decrease its value and reduce its market since a large number of people will not or do not want to live near a hospice. So either the apartment will be sold as a lower price or it will take longer to sell.

Now you're just generalizing that most Chinese people are superstitious. I don't know whether or not this is true. If it is then you have a valid argument. But that doesn't change the fact that it's unfair to shovel off zoning applications like these to other cultural communities. How multicultural is that? Does this sound multicultural to you:

tour guide: "and over here to your right we have st. Johns hospice being built in yaletown. Here's a fun fact: it was originally going to be developed next to a Chinese community but because vancouver prides itself on being strongly multicultural, developers relocated it in this largely Caucasian community. Future plans for hospitals, police departments, cemetaries, and white spot restaurants will be located in Caucasian communities, leaving the parks, universities, Olympic venues, and libraries to the Chinese"

now that I think about it this kind of action would be good for increasing local GDP through foreign investment.
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[Blue_StreakR]

Asian or not has nothing to do with objecting the project. Dragging the race card into it to sensationalize.

Agreed. It is just taking the whole "Not in my own backyard" to a whole new level. What is it going to be next??

People won't want Hospitals built next to them? Cancer Research Facilities?

I have no respect for these selfish money hungry fools that are complaining.

[MindBomber]

There are people in Vancouver other than superstitious Asians who buy condos!

Just because certain Asians might to not want to purchase in the building doesn't mean the units are unsellable!

People looking to buy at UBC aren't expecting typical sub-urban neighbors!

*sigh*... why can't people just be logical about this and stop pulling the race card.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Typical trashy news reporting
Asian or not has nothing to do with objecting the project. Dragging the race card into it to sensationalize.

"Trashy news reporting" or not, the tenants brought it upon themselves by claiming their superstitions as a Chinese tradition/culture. They pulled the race card, not the media. The tenants could have labelled their superstitions as a personal thing, but they decided to generalize and associate it with their ethnicity and in that case, of course, the media would be more than happy to make a story about it.

There are certain stereotypes out there already about certain Chinese, such as being bad drivers, having poor hygiene, being loud and rude etc.
Now here's another one; personal profit and superstition >>>> consideration and understanding for the public. It's not like this value was unknown before this story, but now more people know about it.

[Graeme S]

So just looking at that a lot of your friends would not have purchase the apartments that's facing a bad direction. So those apartment facing a bad direction have their market reduce.

Don't put words into my mouth. Several of my coworkers who are of a certain ethnicity would not choose to live there because of their cultural backgrounds.

I did not say "a lot of my friends". The number of people involved in this discussion was five, including me. These people are not necessarily representative of all Korean people. When you think of "limiting the market", you need to think of what the market was before. Saying that having an apartment facing a bad direction limits the market implies that developers shouldn't build apartments facing in certain directions (regardless of view) simply because "the market will be limited and the price will go down."

Superstitious asians are not the be-all-end-all of investors. I was talking with my mom and she made a very interesting, very valid point: "Making this whole point was not very smart of them. Now, anyone who was thinking of buying but thought it was too expensive will now put in lowball offers because 'none of these people want to live next to hospices, so they'll sell for cheap.'"
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[Gunsmokez]

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

[Blue_StreakR]

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

Poor little people....

[MindBomber]

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

The buildings at fucking UBC!

Not a residential area where they could expect to be surrounded with family homes, they should have looked at the zoning and realized that research buildings may have been built next door before they bought. They didn't do there do diligence, so to fucking bad.

[taylor192]

The buildings at fucking UBC!

Not a residential area where they could expect to be surrounded with family homes, they should have looked at the zoning and realized that research buildings may have been built next door before they bought. They didn't do there do diligence, so to fucking bad.
They should put a health sciences building beside it, where medical students get to practice on cadavers. :fullofwin:

Besides, if they believe in the Vancouver real estate market, that it never goes down, that it is different here - they should believe it'll sell for a profit in a bidding war, hospice or not.

To be clear, I do not think it is different here. I think housing will correct, how much I do not know. Yet when it corrects, factors like living next to a hospice will mean the property stays on the market longer and sells for less. Buyers may not care that it is beside a hospice, yet will use that to negotiate the price down.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Don't put words into my mouth. Several of my coworkers who are of a certain ethnicity would not choose to live there because of their cultural backgrounds.

I did not say "a lot of my friends". The number of people involved in this discussion was five, including me. These people are not necessarily representative of all Korean people. When you think of "limiting the market", you need to think of what the market was before. Saying that having an apartment facing a bad direction limits the market implies that developers shouldn't build apartments facing in certain directions (regardless of view) simply because "the market will be limited and the price will go down."

Superstitious asians are not the be-all-end-all of investors. I was talking with my mom and she made a very interesting, very valid point: "Making this whole point was not very smart of them. Now, anyone who was thinking of buying but thought it was too expensive will now put in lowball offers because 'none of these people want to live next to hospices, so they'll sell for cheap.'"
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That still means there are people who will not buy apartments facing bad directions. Doesn't matter if it is one of your friends or all 5 of you say that. There is still someone that suggest this. Same thing what's happening now. There will be people who will chose not to buy these apartments coz a hospice is next to it. Is not just Aisan that feel that way other nationals do feel this way as well.

Less people want to buy these apartments = less market since less people will be looking for these apartments = apartments value goes down or takes a lot longer to sell.

And yes I did invest in a few apartments myself and I did not even look at units that faces bad directions even when they are cheaper. Just go to any new showings and most of apartments with good views will be sold first. Why do you think that? O WAIT PEOPLE DON'T CARE! THEY JUST LIKE TO THROW MONEY AWAY :spamarama:

If people don't care then how come there are the good areas and bad areas within a single district?

[StylinRed]

there are limitless reasons to buy and not to buy you can make an argument for anything...

the point of the matter is does their argument make sense? superstitious nonsense? no sorry that doesn't fly

is calling their superstitions nonsense an affront to chinese culture? No because a sizable portion of that culture is saying the same thing and superstitions aren't inherent to a specific culture

[LiquidTurbo]

There are people in Vancouver other than superstitious Asians who buy condos!

Just because certain Asians might to not want to purchase in the building doesn't mean the units are unsellable!

People looking to buy at UBC aren't expecting typical sub-urban neighbors!

*sigh*... why can't people just be logical about this and stop pulling the race card.

Look at me! I need to write larger to get my point across better!:failed:


Anyway, this thread has sparked a lot of discussion. Personally I think the government should step in regarding this matter. There's no way we can cater to every single cultural nuance. I just glad the Indian's aren't giving ppl shit for having a butcher shop of cow parts down the road from where they live.

[Lomac]

That still means there are people who will not buy apartments facing bad directions. Doesn't matter if it is one of your friends or all 5 of you say that. There is still someone that suggest this. Same thing what's happening now. There will be people who will chose not to buy these apartments coz a hospice is next to it. Is not just Aisan that feel that way other nationals do feel this way as well.

Less people want to buy these apartments = less market since less people will be looking for these apartments = apartments value goes down or takes a lot longer to sell.

And yes I did invest in a few apartments myself and I did not even look at units that faces bad directions even when they are cheaper. Just go to any new showings and most of apartments with good views will be sold first. Why do you think that? O WAIT PEOPLE DON'T CARE! THEY JUST LIKE TO THROW MONEY AWAY :spamarama:

If people don't care then how come there are the good areas and bad areas within a single district?

Okay, so I've talked with three real estate friends who deal in different markets and cities (Langley, Vancouver and Richmond). Guess what they all had to say and were able to back up with hard proof? Hospices haven't affected resale values!

Gasp! Say it ain't so!

The only slight deviation came from Richmond (surprise surprise) and that was only due to a slightly decreased viewing audience, though the houses and condos in the area still sold for at or above the market value.



Hrm... I wonder if I can get away with using black cats living in the neighbourhood as an excuse for lowballing when buying a house...

[MindBomber]

Look at me! I need to write larger to get my point across better!:failed:


Anyway, this thread has sparked a lot of discussion. Personally I think the government should step in regarding this matter. There's no way we can cater to every single cultural nuance. I just glad the Indian's aren't giving ppl shit for having a butcher shop of cow parts down the road from where they live.

I was hesitant about the larger font, since generally its used by people incapable of presenting a persuasive argument in a regular font. The reason why I did use it is because the same point has been made by ten different people in this thread and people keep coming back with the exact same response, its unsellable now and their investment is ruined, but its absolutely not.

The font was more an expression of my frustration with the stubborn ignorance of certain people than anything, at least thats the way it was meant.

[MindBomber]

They should put a health sciences building beside it, where medical students get to practice on cadavers. :fullofwin:


People realize this is a both a functioning hospice and palliative care research facility right?

[observer]

There are certain stereotypes out there already about certain Chinese, such as being bad drivers, having poor hygiene, being loud and rude etc.

Now here's another one; personal profit and superstition >>>> consideration and understanding for the public. It's not like this value was unknown before this story, but now more people know about it.

I agree the mainland Chinese kind of brought it to themselves, but knowing their limited familiarity of western culture, I can see why the new immigrants behave the way they do. But at the end of the day, it's their money, their community, who am I to judge if they want to make noise.

They certainly don't annoy me as much as the Falun Gong clowns a few years ago on Granville protesting over the biggest superstitious scam.

I suppose superstition is universal, here we have astrology, numerology, Talbot cards (and various religions depending on your fancy). Of course, if you are an unlucky American living in the Bible belt, you may even be exposed to extremists such as creationism.

Superstition is certainly not an Asian monopoly and neither is the drive for personal profit. Funny enough a few decades ago most Chinese fell for the preaching of Mao and believed in Marxism.

[StylinRed]

They certainly don't annoy me as much as the Falun Gong clowns a few years ago on Granville protesting over the biggest superstitious scam.

Superstition is certainly not an Asian monopoly and neither is the drive for personal profit. Funny enough a few decades ago most Chinese fell for the preaching of Mao and believed in Marxism.

..... :facepalm:

falun gong were protesting over getting slaughtered and harvested for organs (documented)


The people believed in Mao for standing up and getting rid of the bloodsuckers (who ran off to taiwan) Maosim didnt really have the backing of the country and there was Deng and Liu half assing it cuz they didnt support it....

wtf are u on? let me know :troll:

[goo3]

"Making this whole point was not very smart of them. Now, anyone who was thinking of buying but thought it was too expensive will now put in lowball offers because 'none of these people want to live next to hospices, so they'll sell for cheap.'"


What makes you think they're smart to begin with? Expecting sympathy from the horror of living next to ghosts should tell you enough about the how ignorant they are of mainstream attitudes.

ahh but see you're already drawing lines of who you believe are fobs and who you believe arent.. you've decided the fobs want to be open minded (as long as the open mindedness is in their pov) and those who aren't fobs are those who are against the high-rise crybabies

:)

I'm trying to filter through the bad english and bad examples (whorehouse, oil rigs :fullofwin: ) to let you know they have a point to make and you should give them an honest listen because they have a unique pov that you may not have considered before.

They're trying to tell you what it feels like for traditional-minded folk to live next to dying ppl. Instead, everybody wants to focus on the technicalities of comparing these things to a hospice. The reality is, these ppl do exist.

For us: hospice = canuck place = good thing
For them: hospice = death = oil rig :fullofwin:

I dont' know if quoting from wiki helps, but here:


Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
...
However, even educated people, well aware of the process by which beliefs form, still strongly cling to their beliefs, and act on those beliefs even against their own self-interest.


Maybe if we can get past this i'm right, you're wrong deal, we can build this thing at UBC without resorting to GTFO, STFU cuz, you know, we can do better.

[goo3]

I was hesitant about the larger font, since generally its used by people incapable of presenting a persuasive argument in a regular font.

Don't forget to add to that ppl who make a shit ton of posts and keep arguing nonstop. :fullofwin:

[observer]

..... :facepalm:

falun gong were protesting over getting slaughtered and harvested for organs (documented)

The people believed in Mao for standing up and getting rid of the bloodsuckers (who ran off to taiwan) Maosim didnt really have the backing of the country and there was Deng and Liu half assing it cuz they didnt support it....

wtf are u on? let me know :troll:

You are right about KMT being the bloodsuckers back in the day. And to be fair, Deng completely abandoned what Mao started. I think it's not so much about the backing of the people, but rather, bad policies by Mao.

I suspect organ harvest is not the exclusive rights of Falun Gong, sadly. I fear the corrupted will always sell organs of criminals, or even innocent victims.

What am I on, all I know is that the leader of Falun Gong, Mr. Li claims that all homosexuals are evil (which is the reason why the City of SF retracted from nominating him for a Nobel Peace prize), and let's see, what else about Li, didn't he say that he can fly (only in private, not private jets but defying gravity), and that he knows there is a 2 billion years old nuclear reactor in Africa. These are well documented just look it up.

The followers sadly truly believed that Li is a saint hence the crazy fascination.

Just because the Chinese opposes something doesn't make it good by default. Falun Gong will always be a stupid superstition in my eyes, regardless how unreasonably the Chinese went after them (that's another wrong, but doesn't make the former legitimized).

The solution to all this BS is to encourage the younger generation to study more science and not believe in the supernatural (fortune telling, astrology, you name it).

[BNR32_Coupe]

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

let me get this straight. you're comparing this:

http://bakerartistawards.org/projects/5234/dscf0753_thumb.jpg
http://www.thecarpenterhospice.com/Image/hospice_building_1.jpg
http://media.mmgcommunity.topscms.com/images/7e/3c/13690d00490a9e126484cacc4c30.jpeg





with this:

http://www.kodachi.com/photography/Shirley%20-%20Famous%20Places/600/Arlington%20Cemetary.jpg


http://www.roselawnpueblo.com/images/hearselimofront.jpg
http://www.richmondfuneralhome.co.nz/images/richmond_funeral_home.jpg

and this...

(NSF caucasians)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kApto83SZK4/TH_TMR-0cLI/AAAAAAAAKao/JAJbe1gZFts/s1600/oil_rig.jpg


of course it'll lower property value! i mean look at those first 3 pics.. they're OBVIOUSLY hospices

[RevYouUp]

I'm pretty sure it will affect resale values, I mean even the effing address number affects the value of a house

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101126/bc_lucky_houses_101126/20101126?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

study done by UBC btw :troll:

[Mr.HappySilp]

Okay, so I've talked with three real estate friends who deal in different markets and cities (Langley, Vancouver and Richmond). Guess what they all had to say and were able to back up with hard proof? Hospices haven't affected resale values!

Gasp! Say it ain't so!

The only slight deviation came from Richmond (surprise surprise) and that was only due to a slightly decreased viewing audience, though the houses and condos in the area still sold for at or above the market value.



Hrm... I wonder if I can get away with using black cats living in the neighbourhood as an excuse for lowballing when buying a house...

I can also easily find agents that say it will affect the resell value of the apartments. Just coz 3 agents said it won't affect the value doesn't mean 100% of every agent in van will say the same thing and it certainly doesn't not mean 100% of the population who is looking for an apartment will not think living besdie a Hospices is ok and they don't care about it.