[kyoshiro]

So shaw is going to start charging for over usage according to the http://www.dslreports.com/forum/shaw and their site
I just called Telus and moved everything over cuz I rage at them not notifying me anything at all in bills or by phone.

[Airtrackz]

Hmm may consider switching after if I notice anything fishy thanks!

[twitchyzero]

massive thread here:
http://www.revscene.net/forums/changes-shaws-internet-t632852.html

and it's all over the news lately.

[kyoshiro]

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/flkegokooaecklmoijmkagkaobkdcdal

you can see your usage via this extension, cant do it thru their stupid site
but yeah its 15-15-15 promo atm for the 1st year on 3yr contract with telus and 10 dollars per month for cancellation before term expires which works out to be ok if something bad happens to telus as well and shaw becomes good again. But for now.... here I come Optik Turbo 25mbps yeyeye. Getting everything installed next monday!

[kyoshiro]

massive thread here:
http://www.revscene.net/forums/changes-shaws-internet-t632852.html

and it's all over the news lately.

ahhh right should of gone over there but some of us are off topic lurkers thus i didnt see it lol

but yeah, at 513GB overusage, I see myself royally screwed lol

Luckily, I have a server for reasons such as these to do my middleman torrenting. But yeah, I blame PPS and Bluray rips.

[drunkrussian]

hilarious...exact same thing happened to us...we're switching to telus as of next month. Shaw's gonna lose a lotta customers :-D

[kyoshiro]

yep and dont forget telus also upgraded their infrastructure to compete with shaw and what have shaw done? just increased prices lulz

[gloors]

Fuuuuuuuu shaw. if I see anything on my bill I'm fsure switching to Telus. Plus ill get a brand spanking new Xbox :D
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[shenmecar]

So Telus does not have an internet usage cap?

[GrapeDrink]

^they do but as far as I've read they are not really strictly enforcing it, is anyone else having trouble with the google chrome extension ? I downloaded it and it says unable to connect for me =/

[Trinity]

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[Nightwalker]

I don't see the problem. This is a GOOD change by Shaw.

[woob]

If you haven't seen it in the thread in the Computer section, TekSavvy has recently begun to offer Cable internet in the GVA as well.

They have a few plans with unlimited bandwidth caps.

[Carl Johnson]

Shaw is kind of missing a piece between Extreme and Warp. To pay almost $100/month for the internet is a little hard to swallow for most. Something along the lines of $65/month with service in between the Extreme and Warp offering should be well received by the consumers.

[FiveDime]

I don't see the problem. This is a GOOD change by Shaw.

Premium-grade transit in a data centre costs $0.05 to $0.10 per GiB when you work it out. The CEO of Teksavvy is on record saying that the per GiB cost to them is in the $0.01 to $0.03 range for consumer-grade transit.

The problem is not, in my mind, usage-based billing. I would be perfectly fine if they charged $15 a month for the line itself and then billed $0.05 per GB. Use 5 GB? Pay $0.25 on top of the line fee. Use 500 GB? Pay $25. Given the theoretical limit of a 5 megabit line is about 1500 GB a month, truly unlimited Internet seems quite reasonable for $50 a month on the assumption that your customer will only be downloading at full speed 30 - 50% of the time (which is quite a lot!)

Except that's not what they're doing, they want to charge something in the realm of 100x or more what it actually costs them to provide the service! $1.25 per GiB. $2.00 per GiB. What the hell is this? 1991? we're upset to have but no choice (yay monopolies!) to pay hundreds of times what it actually costs the companies to provide the service!

They're doing this solely to kill competing video-on-demand services. They're using their monopoly in one field (ISP) to guarantee their profits in another (content provision). It's disgusting and I can't believe it's not illegal.

If the power company suddenly raised the cost per KWh from $0.09 to $4.25, even though you knew it only cost them $0.08 per KWh to generate the electricity, would you be fine with that?

[soowu]

i hate it when shit like this happens . everyone in this world is just so shady now adays all they care about is money

[Graeme S]

One of the reasons that companies are loathe to charge a minimal fee for basic line + usage is the revenue peaks and valleys they would then experience.

Rather than a steady stream of income plus bonuses, they would receive constantly fluctuating results--never good for a large publicly traded company that does its best to create accurate revenue projections for shareholders.
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[bloodmack]

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/flkegokooaecklmoijmkagkaobkdcdal

Some how in november i used 88gb, december 340 gb, current month at 68gb..
wtf? Lol

[Euro7r]

People that DL a lot will be hit the most, but for me personally, I use Shaw highs-speed internet and my bandwidth limit each month is capped at 60GB. Don't think I've ever gone over that from all the years I've been a customer.

[Manic!]

People that DL a lot will be hit the most, but for me personally, I use Shaw highs-speed internet and my bandwidth limit each month is capped at 60GB. Don't think I've ever gone over that from all the years I've been a customer.

Most people are capped but Shaw never charged for going over. How did you know you were not going over?

[nelo]

Those who are not in favor of these changes might want to support this page:

http://openmedia.ca/meter

Thanks..

[Euro7r]

Most people are capped but Shaw never charged for going over. How did you know you were not going over?

I know I'm not going over because most of the time when I am online, it's for leisure internet browsing (RS, FB, email, read some news) and a few movies and music downloaded in a given month. So assuming for example, I use 30Gb for media (video + music), that leaves 30GB for other usage, which I doubt will exceed the 60gb cap.

[raygunpk]

Lot of asians that stream movies/shows on ppstream and funshion are probably going over too.

[Manic!]

I know I'm not going over because most of the time when I am online, it's for leisure internet browsing (RS, FB, email, read some news) and a few movies and music downloaded in a given month. So assuming for example, I use 30Gb for media (video + music), that leaves 30GB for other usage, which I doubt will exceed the 60gb cap.

You don't think in the future you will ever go over 60 gigs. What if you get netflix a PS3 or something else?

[Razor Ramon HG]

I can see a lot of Shaw employees getting laid off :lol

[woob]

You don't think in the future you will ever go over 60 gigs. What if you get netflix a PS3 or something else?

The whole point of Shaw lowering and enforcing caps is to dissuade customers from getting Netflix, since as Netflix expands, it stands to take customers away from Shaw's cable service.

[Manic!]

We should all call Shaw the day before the Superbowl when people are getting there HD boxes activated and complain for as long as possible to jam up there lines. Basically an old school version of a DOS attack.

[sell_item_604]

telus, charge this too???? or is it just shaw FOR NOW?

[woob]

^^ Shaw will be charging for the foreseeable future, but Telus does not charge as of yet, but I think it's coming too....

[Manic!]

The whole point of Shaw lowering and enforcing caps is to dissuade customers from getting Netflix, since as Netflix expands, it stands to take customers away from Shaw's cable service.

I know and it's b.s.

[dutch]

The whole point of Shaw lowering and enforcing caps is to dissuade customers from getting Netflix, since as Netflix expands, it stands to take customers away from Shaw's cable service.

Shaw called me 3 times offering me free cable tv. (I only have internet).

I said no thanks.

They called me a 4th time saying, we'll give you your shaw extreme and cable tv for 10 dollars a month for a year.

I say, can I just have the internet for 10 dollars a month?

They're like.. no sorry you have to take the tv.

I'm like OK!

Now I have shaw extreme and an unplugged digital box for 10 bucks a month!

After the year is up they can have the box back! :D

[Manic!]

So anyone wanna do something more than complain on RS.

[geeknerd]

Some how in november i used 88gb, december 340 gb, current month at 68gb..
wtf? Lol

:alone: during holidays??????

[Soundy]

hilarious...exact same thing happened to us...we're switching to telus as of next month. Shaw's gonna lose a lotta customers :-D

Shaw is only doing this now because the CRTC changed the regulations to allow it. Bell is doing it as well, and I heard somewhere Rogers is moving that way too.

Anyone who thinks they're escaping pay-per-usage by going to Telus is deluding themselves; unless the massive protests get the CRTC to change things again, you're only delaying the inevitable.

[hotjoint]

Shaw called me 3 times offering me free cable tv. (I only have internet).

I said no thanks.

They called me a 4th time saying, we'll give you your shaw extreme and cable tv for 10 dollars a month for a year.

I say, can I just have the internet for 10 dollars a month?

They're like.. no sorry you have to take the tv.

I'm like OK!

Now I have shaw extreme and an unplugged digital box for 10 bucks a month!

[b]After the year is up they can have the box back! :D[/]

just call retentions when your year is almost up and threaten to cancel unless they give you the same deal :fullofwin:

[sunny_j]

shaw also lowered their caps right when netflix was introduced in canada

Before -> Current

Lite 13GB -> 15GB ($2/GB overages)
High Speed 75GB -> 60GB ($2/GB overages)
Xtreme 125GB -> 100GB ($1/GB overages)
Warp 250GB -> 175GB ($1/GB overages)
Nitro 500GB -> 350GB ($1/GB overages)

[Volvoman]

:alone: during holidays??????

Dec 20, 2010 -
Jan 19, 2011

488 GB

sigh

[Culverin]

Hmmm, my experience with shaw has been very good.
My parents have been with them since we got broadband.
Aside from getting an overage warning once and being cut-off once (both like 8 years ago),
Our family's never had a single issue with them.

I moved out about 5 years ago and every single place I've been at has been with shaw.
Once again, no problems.


Shaw called me 3 times offering me free cable tv. (I only have internet).

I said no thanks.

They called me a 4th time saying, we'll give you your shaw extreme and cable tv for 10 dollars a month for a year.

I say, can I just have the internet for 10 dollars a month?

They're like.. no sorry you have to take the tv.

I'm like OK!

Now I have shaw extreme and an unplugged digital box for 10 bucks a month!

After the year is up they can have the box back!


I think this is my first time that net has been under my name.
I got $10 promo price for 6 months. Free extreme for 3 months.
Then it'll be back up to $20 for extreme broadband.

I don't even have cable, I torrent tv, movies and games.
And I've gotten so lazy for physical installs that my steam games are downloaded too.


So my question is.
Are they being super nice to me just cause I'm new?
Or are you guys getting royally shafted?

[TOS'd]

^ I got that, as well as a couple friends I know too with ease.
About getting shafted, you probably will be (when implemented) if you are torrenting all your tv and movies.

[Mancini]

Shaw has had a 60 GB limit for their standard broadband connection for years. They simply weren't charging for overages before. Higher bandwidth plans are also available.

i hate it when shit like this happens . everyone in this world is just so shady now adays all they care about is money

How is a [substantial] bandwidth cap shady? It's not like they're charge $30,000 per GB like basic cell phone plans.

[FiveDime]

Shaw has had a 60 GB limit for their standard broadband connection for years. They simply weren't charging for overages before. Higher bandwidth plans are also available.



How is a [substantial] bandwidth cap shady? It's not like they're charge $30,000 per GB like basic cell phone plans.




actually shaw has lowered the bandwidth cap for all plans in the recent months.

[sunny_j]

Shaw has had a 60 GB limit for their standard broadband connection for years. They simply weren't charging for overages before. Higher bandwidth plans are also available.



shaw lowered their caps
Before -> Current

Lite 13GB -> 15GB ($2/GB overages)
High Speed 75GB -> 60GB ($2/GB overages)
Xtreme 125GB -> 100GB ($1/GB overages)
Warp 250GB -> 175GB ($1/GB overages)
Nitro 500GB -> 350GB ($1/GB overages)

[Carl Johnson]

Sneaky bastards. I say we let the U.S. internet providers come into Canadian market and see how Shaw, Rogers, Bell, and Telus get into a price war. The government is way too protective of our telecommunication industry where it is hurting the consumers.

[Mancini]

shaw lowered their caps
Before -> Current

Lite 13GB -> 15GB ($2/GB overages)
High Speed 75GB -> 60GB ($2/GB overages)
Xtreme 125GB -> 100GB ($1/GB overages)
Warp 250GB -> 175GB ($1/GB overages)
Nitro 500GB -> 350GB ($1/GB overages)

That's weird. When I signed up for Shaw Xtreme 3 years ago it was 100 GB and the High Speed connection was 60 GB. I looked into it again when I moved last year and the year before and it was the same. So for 3 years running I've been looking at the lower numbers.

[ForbiddenX]

They increased it for a bit then decreased it back down if I remember correctly. I think it was just a few months ago where they bumped the caps and just lowered it again.

The CRTC makes sure that there aren't any other competitors other than Canadians... atleast that's kind of changing in the mobile department though.

[Shun Izaki]

I don't care, since i'm paying $10 for my xtreme-i line running at 26/1 most days... :D

[Nightwalker]

That's weird. When I signed up for Shaw Xtreme 3 years ago it was 100 GB and the High Speed connection was 60 GB. I looked into it again when I moved last year and the year before and it was the same. So for 3 years running I've been looking at the lower numbers.

These look like the same caps to me as well.

Previously when you were really over, you would get a warning letter. If you didn't cut back or upgrade, they could cut your service. I'd received a couple of them before on the regular hi-speed service.

I think the massive lashback I see is unjustified. They're giving abusers fair warning, then charging a premium on overusage. Sounds reasonable to me.

I download all my movies and TV shows, and I work online, so I have the Extreme package. I haven't had any problems, and I might upgrade further since I'll be travelling and need a fast upstream for when I'm using my home box through a VPN.

[wingies]

http://openmedia.ca/meter link to sign the petition to stop the meter

[Great68]

I agree with the mentality that if I am getting charged for overage, I should be getting discounts for underage.

[ToneCapone]

Usage-based Internet billing: A concept whose time has come
Limited bandwidth makes unlimited service unsustainable

By Harvey Enchin, Vancouver Sun January 28, 2011 2:51 PM Be the first to post a comment

It costs more to send a heavy package across the country than a letter across town. People who use more electricity than their neighbours have to pay for their additional energy consumption. Drivers who travel long distances spend more on fuel than those who don't. Transit riders crossing zones pay more than those going one or two stops. The principle is simple: The more you use, the more you pay.

But Internet service subscribers seem to believe everyone should pay the same flat rate for unlimited capacity and their outrage at the end to the free ride has social media all a twitter.

This tempest in a teapot stems from a decision by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission last October to allow Internet service providers to charge additional fees to customers, both retail and wholesale, who exceed a certain threshold of usage. The backlash is being orchestrated by rivals to the incumbents, who fear that they'll now be unable to compete. Many had been offering unlimited downloading while the majors -- Telus, Rogers, Shaw and Bell -- charged different rates according to the cap on their plans. For example, Telus is offering plans ranging from 13 gigabytes per month for a bundled price of $20 to 250 GB per month for $50.

The average Internet subscriber uses between 15 to 20 GB and a "very small" proportion ever exceeds their cap, according to Telus. In order to surpass 250 GB, a consumer would have to download more than 50 high-definition movies in a month. Or, to put it another way, if every hour of HD represents 2.6 GB, you could stream 96 hours a month, or more than three hours a day, every day. Anyone watching that much video needs to get a life.

In its wisdom, the CRTC has thrown the competitors a bone -- it has ordered the major players to give them a 15-per-cent discount to the price they charge retail customers. But they argue the discount will not be enough to enable them to continue offering unlimited usage.

That's because competition in Canada doesn't mean the same thing as it does elsewhere. The CRTC determined that it had to artificially create competition by forcing legacy providers to grant access to their networks to new entrants.

However, the infrastructure that delivers high-speed Internet isn't a public utility like sewage pipes and electric wires. It was built with billions of dollars of private capital raised by the major players, which continue to spend heavily to expand and improve their systems and introduce new technologies. In 2009, Telus -- to use our local example -- spent $653 million on research and development. And last year it invested $1.7 billion in infrastructure. It plans to spend a similar amount this year.

The competitors don't have to take those risks, or incur that debt, and have been free to skim their hosts' customers without having to worry about recovering embedded costs. They just need adequate cash flow to pay the rent, while enjoying all the improvements the incumbents were paying for. In the CRTC's view, favouring new players over old ones is fair competition.

In any event, the party is over. One of the biggest competitors, Primus, announced earlier this month it would end its unlimited Internet service. Others are sure to do the same. This isn't a uniquely Canadian phenomenon. In the United States, both AT&T and Verizon said they are moving to a usage-based billing model.

Unlimited Internet service is unsustainable because bandwidth is not infinite. According to one report, in the U. S, a tiny minority of users streaming TV programs accounted for 20 per cent of all prime time Internet traffic. If consumption puts too much pressure on capacity, the quality of service for all users will be degraded.

There will always be a small cadre of users who demand more, bigger, better and faster. High-speed Internet will soon be worthy of the name, with speeds of 42 Mbps ready to be rolled out. Higher caps can be expected to follow. However, these enhanced services will come with a higher price tag. A Ferrari costs more than a Volkswagen.

That's as it should be. Most users won't need the increased speed or extra capacity and will be satisfied with a modest reliable service at reasonable cost. Much like they have now.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Usage+based+Internet+billing+concept+whose+time+co me/4182718/story.html

[kyoshiro]

ah vancouver sun this time, toronto sun prob had the same article but its the sun.
they need to hire people who actually knows what theyre talking about and probably move on from newspapers to the internet. If they can't rake up their sales of newspapers, they might aswell support the CRTC decision so that people will stop using the internet for news and buy their newspapers.

[bengy]

WTF is the point of a 42Mbps connection if you are going to be capped at 100GB?? And why the fuck am I paying the same amount of money for a lesser service?