[LC21]

Can't find a macbook thread, so decided to make this thread.

Who has the current macbook pro that last 10hrs?

DISCUSS!

[Kim Jong Un]

I love art.

[JKam]

I like coffee shops.

[Kim Jong Un]

I wear skinny jeans and I stretch my ears.

[LC21]

I love art and skinny jeans. Dam.

[!Aznboi128]

I got a 13 and 15 mbp.... it dont last 10 hours maybe 8 but def not 10, that being said the iPad last a long ass time

[LC21]

Damn 8hrs is pretty long, this is just with regular use right? Nothing too demanding?

[ilvtofu]

Yeah I have the 13" and it lasts me at least 7 hours on wifi sometimes bluetooth without trying to save energy. (ie. Playing tetris battle, restaurant city, etc.) 10 hours is certainly doable though.

[LookHere_Sucka]

Don't get a MacBook unless you're willing to spend extra cash on a MacBook Pro. I got the MacBook5,1 and let me tell you, it's not worth it. The battery lasts 3 hours and 45 minutes when it's fully charged, with regular use. Also needs a labtop cooler or else you'll find yourself cooking an egg on that thing (sarcasm). There's a lot of other problems too but I'm just a noob when it comes to electronics. I'm a picky consumer. :alone:

[Kim Jong Un]

I get the same amount of hours with heavy use. Mainly because I turn down the brightness and the back lit keyboard when it is not needed.

............And yes my MacBook Pro fry eggs too. :fullofwin:

[EDawg]

i have a 11in macbook air that i use for school

battery life is great, never had to bring a charger :fullofwin:

[Kim Jong Un]

I think that Apple did a great job on the heat thing. Great for warming up your laps, suitable for Calgary weather. :fullofwin:

[Not really racist!]

Since I'm completely ignorant and clueless about macbooks, who wants to explain to me why they are superior versus PCs.

I'm under the impression that its for video / graphic editing but then again I know a dozen people who do none of this lol

[Kim Jong Un]

Because they're shiny and they're aluminum. Oh and it's hipster to rock one. :fullofwin:

[trancehead]

I love art.

I like coffee shops.

I wear skinny jeans and I stretch my ears.

I love art and skinny jeans. Dam.

damn art loving, coffee drinking, skinny jean wearing, ear stretching hipsters

http://hipsterhitler.com/?webcomic_object=post/988/full/0

back on topic...
id LOVE to get one...to potentially dev an iPad app

[ilvtofu]

Since I'm completely ignorant and clueless about macbooks, who wants to explain to me why they are superior versus PCs.

I'm under the impression that its for video / graphic editing but then again I know a dozen people who do none of this lol

TBH I don't know what the whole editing/photoshop thing is about, seriously what's the difference to using the same programs on Windows?

I just find my mac stays organized a lot better, also there aren't many PC Laptops you can get that are this well built. Also they are pretty quiet. I don't think you notice the advantages until you use them in tandem with PCs. It keeps things simple overall though, I just had telus setup the internet at home with optik and first 2 weeks all the PCs (about 4 laptops) were losing the connection with the router, some reason my imac and mbp stayed connected the whole time. Neither has EVER become disconnected in the last 2 and a half years.

Startup time is also great, my imac takes about 10-15 secs to startup and maybe 25s to start RS'ing, I have similarly spec'ed windows 7 laptops that are nowhere near as fast.

TBH It's probably not worth it but it's definitely not the worst way to spend your money. On paper they are generally garbage though, except for the battery life which is really staggering and the main reason I went with the macbook pro because I do spend a lot of time at school now and I really don't want to carry a charger, the laptop alone is heavy enough.

[Kim Jong Un]

Because the colors on the Apple monitors are more accurate.

[LC21]

Because the colors on the Apple monitors are more accurate.

I believe this is the key point why photographers and video editors buy macs.

Cool, i should become a photographer now.:woot2:

[ScizzMoney]

Because the colors on the Apple monitors are more accurate.

This used to be the case. Apparently now with Windows 7 it's a tie. That's what I was told, I have no clue what Windows 7 has to do with color etc. Just going off my photographer buddy's saying.

[LookHere_Sucka]

Since I'm completely ignorant and clueless about macbooks, who wants to explain to me why they are superior versus PCs.

I'm under the impression that its for video / graphic editing but then again I know a dozen people who do none of this lol

Macbooks have a lot more features and are generally more "stylish" haha. People also look on in jealousy as you take out your sexy labtop. I got one because I guess it's noob friendly and there are a lot of features that can be used. Command+N, Command+M for when you get caught by surprise. I just like the general look of it better.

Oh yeah, be sure to wipe down your screen once in a while, I got spots of unidentified stains on my screen.

[Not really racist!]

So am I supposed to assume the lowest model available is substantial for everyday use, surfing RS + doing homework / running programs?

its only an intel core duo... but like you guys said they don't look awesome on paper..

[Senna4ever]

Since I'm completely ignorant and clueless about macbooks, who wants to explain to me why they are superior versus PCs.

I'm under the impression that its for video / graphic editing but then again I know a dozen people who do none of this lol
I think this comes down to several things:

1) Mac OSX Snow Leopard. I used to be such a Windows lover - I first started using Windows 3.1, then 95, 98, XP & 7. My only experience with Mac OS was with OS System 9 several years ago, which by general consensus sucked. Then I decided to buy a 3.06 Ghz 17" Macbook Pro that had Snow Leopard installed. I must say that it is SO much easier to use than Windows which to me now seems very clunky.

2) Quality & Design. Apple was the only manufacturer that made a 17" laptop that I felt comfortable carrying around with me everyday. It's much more light and thin compared to other 17" PC's on the market....and I think it looks great. The chassis is stiff as hell, without any of the flexing & creaking of the plastic PC laptops. Yes you pay a big premium for all this, but I personally think it's worth it.

3) Battery life. With the integrated graphics turned off, I have no worries about the battery dying on me at work. With the screen turned down a bit, the battery will last 6-7 hours of productivity. 4-5 hours with the screen turned up to full. About 1.5-2 hours of WoW time with dedicated graphics turned on and screen brightness full.

4) Screen. The screen of Macbook Pros have a very wide colour gamut. This means that the screens are capable of displaying more colours and tones compared to a regular laptop screen. The top end HP & Sony laptop screens have similar quality...BUT only the Macbook Pro has the option of a matte finish.

5) Software. For many years, pro level graphics & video software was only available on the Mac. This has changed with the notable exception of Final Cut Pro, which is still only available on the Mac platform.

Because the colors on the Apple monitors are more accurate.
Not necessarily more accurate, but just capable of displaying more colours.

[Senna4ever]

This used to be the case. Apparently now with Windows 7 it's a tie. That's what I was told, I have no clue what Windows 7 has to do with color etc. Just going off my photographer buddy's saying.

Yes & no. Windows7 as was Vista and XP is capable of displaying the same colours as OSX. It's the hardware that was the problem. Macbooks had screens that displayed a higher colour gamut compared to PC's as standard. High end laptops from HP, Sony & Lenovo now have screens with equal capabilities.

[mrks]

So am I supposed to assume the lowest model available is substantial for everyday use, surfing RS + doing homework / running programs?

its only an intel core duo... but like you guys said they don't look awesome on paper..

The minimum I would buy is a MacBook Pro, the aluminum one, which has most of the features everyone is talking about.

IMO, the white MacBook is not a good buy.

[Senna4ever]

I agree. I would spend the extra $200 or so and get the MBP 13" - you get better graphics, a better screen and a sexy aluminum chassis.
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[LookHere_Sucka]

It's only a $200 price difference from the regular Macbook 5, 1? Wow, I should've gotten the pro instead. Is the Macbook Pro capable of running decent FPS games without lag? Right now, I'm satisfied with my regular Macbook, just daily regular use, 6-8 hours a day left running, still working fine.

[Senna4ever]

Because the colors on the Apple monitors are more accurate.

Not necessarily more accurate, but just capable of displaying more colours.
Yes & no. Windows7 as was Vista and XP is capable of displaying the same colours as OSX. It's the hardware that was the problem. Macbooks had screens that displayed a higher colour gamut compared to PC's as standard. High end laptops from HP, Sony & Lenovo now have screens with equal capabilities.
I should also add that unless you colour calibrate the screen, you will almost never have accurate colours. This applies to any screen, laptop or desktop. The colours might look okay out of the box, but in reality, they're not. Laptop screens are almost always a bit too blueish...not good if you edit photos or video.

[Senna4ever]

It's only a $200 price difference from the regular Macbook 5, 1? Wow, I should've gotten the pro instead. Is the Macbook Pro capable of running decent FPS games without lag? Right now, I'm satisfied with my regular Macbook, just daily regular use, 6-8 hours a day left running, still working fine.
I get about 50fps playing WoW on my 17" Macbook Pro with all of the graphic options turned to full and with the dedicated graphics card enabled.

[LiquidTurbo]

I agree. I would spend the extra $200 or so and get the MBP 13" - you get better graphics, a better screen and a sexy aluminum chassis.
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I disagree. With that money it's far better to buy a 13.3 MB air, the higher res screens is great.


It's a bad time to buy MB Pro stuff, it will all be refreshed in just a few short months. If you can, hold off.

[RCubed]

I had my mbp 13" for about 5 months now and the battery health is down to 87% (according to istat). Is this normal?
I get nowhere near 10 hours of battery life too.. more like 5-6 hours (med brightness, wifi on, just internet browsing or word processing.).

[LiquidTurbo]

^ Try doing a battery calibration to see if it helps?

[RCubed]

^ I did one on the weekend and it dropped from 90% health to 88% health. Today its 87% Health. :(

Maybe im calibrating it wrong?
I did a full drain
-left it off for 24 hours.
-Then plugged it in,
-left it plugged for 24 hours,
-then turn on.

[Senna4ever]

I disagree. With that money it's far better to buy a 13.3 MB air, the higher res screens is great.
Hmmm...you do have a point there, but the 13" MBP screen still has a higher gamut screen, and when doing pure number crunching tasks like Photoshop, the MBP is slightly faster. The screen resolution differences between the 13" models would be the deal breaker for me personally - If I had the chance to do it over again, instead of a 17" MBP, I would get the 13" MBA and a 27" iMac. It would be about the same price as what I paid for the 17" MBP.

[LookHere_Sucka]

Would the battery health decrease if the charger is constantly plugged in?

I disagree. With that money it's far better to buy a 13.3 MB air, the higher res screens is great.


It's a bad time to buy MB Pro stuff, it will all be refreshed in just a few short months. If you can, hold off.

^MB Air has no ethernet or dvd drive so it's basically useless to a lot of people. There's also only 1 USB port. It's not worth it IMO

[gars]

One big gripe with the new MacBook's are that you can't remove the battery easily. If you are the type that uses it at a desk often, plugged in - the battery life will go down quite a bit even if you aren't using it. My Netbook - which I had plugged in at a desk most of the time, using it maybe once a week on batteries - still has a good 6 hrs battery life 2.5 years later.

BTW - there's a new Samsung 13" laptop that's supposed to rival the MB Air in weight, thickness and battery life, AND it has an i5 processor. Just throwing that in.

[Senna4ever]

Would the battery health decrease if the charger is constantly plugged in?



^MB Air has no ethernet or dvd drive so it's basically useless to a lot of people. There's also only 1 USB port. It's not worth it IMO
Apple claims it's battery technology makes the battery last mch longer than other laptop batteries - up to 1000 charges vs. about 300 charges before capacity drops to 80%. We'll see if this claim is true in a few years I guess.

The new MBA has 2 USB ports, btw...and who uses Ethernet anyway? I never do. With the MBA you can either buy the external DVD drive or use that program that let's you commandeer another computer's drive and use it.
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[ilvtofu]

^ I did one on the weekend and it dropped from 90% health to 88% health. Today its 87% Health. :(

Maybe im calibrating it wrong?
I did a full drain
-left it off for 24 hours.
-Then plugged it in,
-left it plugged for 24 hours,
-then turn on.

Damn how many cycles have you logged on istat? I've had my MBP about 6 months now and logged 118 cycles on my battery and it's still at 95%

[RCubed]

Damn how many cycles have you logged on istat? I've had my MBP about 6 months now and logged 118 cycles on my battery and it's still at 95%

Only 114 =(

[Senna4ever]

Only 114 =(

Take your Macbook to Apple repair they can tell you if the battery is faulty or not - they will replace it if it is. It sounds like your battery is a bit gimpy to me.

I have 296 cycle counts and the battery has 12,345mAh at full charge, so about 95%.

[Senna4ever]

One big gripe with the new MacBook's are that you can't remove the battery easily. If you are the type that uses it at a desk often, plugged in - the battery life will go down quite a bit even if you aren't using it. My Netbook - which I had plugged in at a desk most of the time, using it maybe once a week on batteries - still has a good 6 hrs battery life 2.5 years later.

BTW - there's a new Samsung 13" laptop that's supposed to rival the MB Air in weight, thickness and battery life, AND it has an i5 processor. Just throwing that in.
Macbooks have advanced circuitry that prevents premature battery death - they're smarter than Windows PC's. The non-removable battery is a major gripe with people who need to be out in the field, but a company called Hypermac makes external power supplies for laptops that are quite nice.

[LiquidTurbo]

Would the battery health decrease if the charger is constantly plugged in?



^MB Air has no ethernet or dvd drive so it's basically useless to a lot of people. There's also only 1 USB port. It's not worth it IMO

These days I don't think a lot of people use Ethernet or disc drives.... And in an ultraportable don't really see why you would need them.
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[LiquidTurbo]

Hmmm...you do have a point there, but the 13" MBP screen still has a higher gamut screen, and when doing pure number crunching tasks like Photoshop, the MBP is slightly faster. The screen resolution differences between the 13" models would be the deal breaker for me personally - If I had the chance to do it over again, instead of a 17" MBP, I would get the 13" MBA and a 27" iMac. It would be about the same price as what I paid for the 17" MBP.

Actually with the flash SSD day to day tasks are actually faster! The only downside vs the 13.3 MBP is storage space but I just bring a portable HD with me. Things like photoshop and web browsers and rebooting are faster on the air than MBP but applying complex Photoshop filters MBP is a bit faster. The next gens of MBPs will prObably be all SSD which would be pretty amazing.
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[ddr]

an ssd swap is actually very easy to do on the current gen. can even use carbonite copy cloner to mirror/clone your existing hard drive, just put the new drive in a 2.5" enclosure or a usb-sata adapter.

my friend got one of these (http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/) and i installed it for him on his previous gen mbp. it replaces the optical drive. totally breathes new life into the machine.

- i don't think purchasing any machine w/o at least an i5/i7 in this price range is sensible
- macbooks were never ahead in the graphics card game
- i can't imagine how ppl use the non-removable battery models as their main computer. i leave my computer on 24/7 to d/l stuff or to encode sometimes. do u guys leave the battery plugged in? i actually baby my older macbook and take the battery out when i use it for an extended period of time.
- still love the build quality of the machines overall, and how in general they treat their customers. totally curious about the app store jailbreak scheduled for next month.

[ilvtofu]

These days I don't think a lot of people use Ethernet or disc drives.... And in an ultraportable don't really see why you would need them.
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+1 I've only used the disc drive three times to burn some mp3 cds for my car and installing office, but that's mostly stuff you do at home, on the go I really don't see the point. Besides you can torrent most of the applications anyways which kinda defeats the purpose of the disc drive.

The only occasion I'd see that you might need the ethernet and is plausible is if you're going away on holiday and the motel/hotel only has the ethernet cable, but I find most have switched to wifi anyways so NBD. I kinda regret not waiting for the MBA the MBP is a little heavy to be bussing with along with a textbook + notebook. :(

Is there anything on appstore you guys would recommend looking into? I only opened it once and found it kinda pointless so I removed the icon from my dock lol

[!MiKrofT]

These days I don't think a lot of people use Ethernet or disc drives.... And in an ultraportable don't really see why you would need them.
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Exactly. I don't see why ppl are so hung up about optical drives. I've never needed to use one on any of my laptops. In fact I hardly ever use the one on my desktop. And if I do need to I'll just transfer it to the desktop for burning over my wifi N network.

[Jmac]

This used to be the case. Apparently now with Windows 7 it's a tie. That's what I was told, I have no clue what Windows 7 has to do with color etc. Just going off my photographer buddy's saying. The iMac displays use 8-bit IPS panels, are calibrated from factory, and use a superior gamma for photo-editing ...

The vast majority of all-in-one desktop PCs use shitty 6-bit TN panels, little-to-no calibration (or calibrated for vibrancy, not for accuracy), and uses a different gamma, which generally isn't as good for photo editing (depends what you're doing, there are some cases where it's better).

If you do your research, get a good IPS or *VA panel LCD monitor, and get the proper calibration tools for Windows, then it's equal. Most people are too ignorant or lazy to do such a thing, though, especially when Apple actually does it cheaper in this case, at least on the 27" (though I'd still recommend getting calibration tools for the Mac to match your printer; no point in having a calibrated monitor without a calibrated printer if you're doing this stuff).

That said, I much prefer Windows over Mac, but I don't really do this type of stuff very much. I have 2 Macs and they barely get used by me. GF uses them the most, primarily for Facebook, Graphic Design, Website Design, and random artistic projects.

If you're comparing laptops, all laptop screens suck for photo editing, anyways (6-bit TN, terrible backlights, terrible colour gamut). You really need to get a good external monitor, anyways, in which case you may as well go w/ Windows 7 as you can get more power for a lot less unless you need the battery life, in which case the Macbook Pros are quite competitive.

[Armind]

Still can't figure out why i only get 2 hours max out of my MBP its the late 2008 version. Wifi and bluetooth is on..

[gilly]

how do you check how many cycles u had on ur battery?

[Armind]

^ System profiler.

I got 127 cycles 4230 mAh at full charge. Condition is normal. :confused:

[Senna4ever]

The iMac displays use 8-bit IPS panels, are calibrated from factory, and use a superior gamma for photo-editing ...

If you're comparing laptops, all laptop screens suck for photo editing, anyways (6-bit TN, terrible backlights, terrible colour gamut). You really need to get a good external monitor, anyways, in which case you may as well go w/ Windows 7 as you can get more power for a lot less unless you need the battery life, in which case the Macbook Pros are quite competitive.
iMac screens are nowhere near calibrated from the factory.

Macbook Pro screens (especially the matte screen option) are more than adequate for photo editing. Of course, an external monitor like an Eizo or NEC is much, much better, but most non-commercial clients won't know the difference between sRGB, Adobe 1998 & CMYK prints anyways.

[roastpuff]

Still can't figure out why i only get 2 hours max out of my MBP its the late 2008 version. Wifi and bluetooth is on..

Bluetooth is on. Turn it off - huge battery sucker. It'll keep trying to synchronize to other devices to keep the list of stuff updated.

What programs do you have running in the background? I find that Parallels and other heavy-duty background programs will suck down power too.

[rk604]

Try to uninstall adobe flash and see if your comp lasts up to the 10hours stated. I have a new mb air 11.6...lasted about 3-4hours with flash...and definitely a lot longer without it.


Who uses ethernet port + disk drives now anyways? everything is accessible online

[Armind]

Bluetooth is on. Turn it off - huge battery sucker. It'll keep trying to synchronize to other devices to keep the list of stuff updated.

What programs do you have running in the background? I find that Parallels and other heavy-duty background programs will suck down power too.

Just adobe programs. I use BT for my might mouse.

Oh and 2 hours was not the exact time of the battery life..

The battery time without BT on with wifi is about 3:50 full bat.





With full battery and charger plugged in. It shows up 4210 mAh as full charge wtf lol

[Jmac]

iMac screens are nowhere near calibrated from the factory.

Macbook Pro screens (especially the matte screen option) are more than adequate for photo editing. Of course, an external monitor like an Eizo or NEC is much, much better, but most non-commercial clients won't know the difference between sRGB, Adobe 1998 & CMYK prints anyways. My GF's was near spot on from the factory w/ the calibrated settings of a Spyder 3 ...

[mrks]

Try to uninstall adobe flash and see if your comp lasts up to the 10hours stated. I have a new mb air 11.6...lasted about 3-4hours with flash...and definitely a lot longer without it.


Who uses ethernet port + disk drives now anyways? everything is accessible online

Don't need to uninstall Flash. Use the Flashblock extension in your browsers. It's the best solution, save battery without gimping your computer.


Flashblock is for Chrome and Firefox.
ClickToFlash is the Safari version. The cool thing for the safari version is that it will try to find H264 versions of the video to play.

[mrks]

Just adobe programs. I use BT for my might mouse.

Oh and 2 hours was not the exact time of the battery life..

The battery time without BT on with wifi is about 3:50 full bat.

With full battery and charger plugged in. It shows up 4210 mAh as full charge wtf lol

Sounds about right for a Late 2008.
Your battery is 33% smaller than the newer MBP's.

There is one thing that can do to extend the battery life on your MBP drastically.
If you're not playing games or using 3D for any apps, turn off the GPU.
On my MBP it doubles the battery life and it's a lot cooler on your lap.

The setting is under System Preferences -> Energy Saver -> Better Battery Life

[Zyzz]

iMac screens are nowhere near calibrated from the factory.


Can you please elaborate more on this? Other than the fact that it is glossy instead of matte. thanks

[Armind]

Sounds about right for a Late 2008.
Your battery is 33% smaller than the newer MBP's.

There is one thing that can do to extend the battery life on your MBP drastically.
If you're not playing games or using 3D for any apps, turn off the GPU.
On my MBP it doubles the battery life and it's a lot cooler on your lap.

The setting is under System Preferences -> Energy Saver -> Better Battery Life

Yeah, i was already on better battery life settings

[rien]

My macbook pro purchased June 2010 lasts ~5 hours max.

[VK79]

My macbook pro purchased June 2010 lasts ~5 hours max.

Lower your brightness and unless you are in a dark place shut off keyboard backlight. Also check your gpu settings. I have wi-fi, bt(mouse) brightness at 4 bars and keyboard at 2 bars. Avg ~7 hrs daily.
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[Senna4ever]

Can you please elaborate more on this? Other than the fact that it is glossy instead of matte. thanks

By 'calibrated' I meant the colour calibration of the screen. Every LCD screen I've seen so far has been cool (meaning a little blue) out of the box. Also, they are set to maximum brightness, which when editing photos will screw up your prints. When editing photos, the screen should be set to about 95 lumens, so about 2/3 or 3/4 brightness.

[Senna4ever]

My GF's was near spot on from the factory w/ the calibrated settings of a Spyder 3 ...

Then she was very lucky! I've never seen an LCD screen that was just right.

[keitaro]

To the people who are having issues about battery life, check to see which performance mode your mac is in.

System Preferences > Energy Saver, and select Better Battery Life.

[roastpuff]

To the people who are having issues about battery life, check to see which performance mode your mac is in.

System Preferences > Energy Saver, and select Better Battery Life.

Weird, I don't have that in mine!

[ilvtofu]

By 'calibrated' I meant the colour calibration of the screen. Every LCD screen I've seen so far has been cool (meaning a little blue) out of the box. Also, they are set to maximum brightness, which when editing photos will screw up your prints. When editing photos, the screen should be set to about 95 lumens, so about 2/3 or 3/4 brightness.

I'm not sure if it's my laptop or superstore, but photos that look good on my MBP come out way over saturated when I got them printed :(

Also I noticed something odd with my MBP on istat vs my iMac

MBP:
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfp8r4iBX41qa28n8o1_100.png


iMac:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfp8tl3V7y1qa28n8o1_100.png

They both are similarly specced core 2 duos but I'm wondering what it means to have a huge chunk of inactive memory like that?

Another thing I find is that the temperatures on the iMac are higher but the fan is much quieter and slower although it might just be a matter of how close I sit to the 20" vs the 13" lol

[mrks]

To the people who are having issues about battery life, check to see which performance mode your mac is in.

System Preferences > Energy Saver, and select Better Battery Life.


It's only applicable to 15" and 17" MacBook Pro's with a dedicated GPU.

[mrks]

I'm not sure if it's my laptop or superstore, but photos that look good on my MBP come out way over saturated when I got them printed :(

Also I noticed something odd with my MBP on istat vs my iMac

MBP:
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfp8r4iBX41qa28n8o1_100.png


iMac:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfp8tl3V7y1qa28n8o1_100.png

They both are similarly specced core 2 duos but I'm wondering what it means to have a huge chunk of inactive memory like that?

Another thing I find is that the temperatures on the iMac are higher but the fan is much quieter and slower although it might just be a matter of how close I sit to the 20" vs the 13" lol

You can't compare the temperatures of a notebook with a desktop.
They're have completely different designs in dissipating heat.
Your MBP only has 1 tiny heatsink with a fan the size of a casino chip, while the iMac has a huge heatsink and 3-4 fans depending on the model.


Inactive memory depends on what programs you are and were running. Sometimes the system won't release the memory as "Free" even after a program was quit.

[mrks]

Yeah, i was already on better battery life settings

Check activity monitor to see what processes are running in the background of your Mac. Make sure to select "All Processes" in the drop down menu.

There are some daemons that might be using cpu cycles and draining your battery.



You can also try some other methods of conditioning your battery.
There are some articles on freezing a battery to restore some of the life. The reasoning behind this is to align the molecules in the battery.

1. Drain the battery until the computer shuts off.
2. Place battery into a zip lock bag and let the air out to prevent moisture build up.
3. Stick the battery into the fridge over night.
4. Put the battery back into the notebook and let it fully charge, before you unplug it.

[ScizzMoney]

my battery health is only at 14%. Either time for a new battery or just buy a new MBP

[kchan]

forgot to shut off my macbook since mondays lecture, went to lecture today with 19% battery, and managed to do some browsing + note taking till lecture was over:fullofwin:

usually my battery estimates 12hours or so, but i only charge it once a week after all my classes at SFU, (total of 9hours)

[bcedhk]

whats a good software/hardware or shop that can do calibration on MBP? Got a 13 inch thats got at least 200 hours burned in...

i've used the one that is provided with apple, but im not sure if im doing it right.

[roastpuff]

Spyder color calibrators are usually pretty good.

[LC21]

Did you guys get all your adobe software torrented or you actually buy them?
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[Senna4ever]

I bought because I use the software professionally. That way I get service and support.
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[cliffhanger33]

yepp im a crazy apple fan, got macbook pro, battery life is amazing lOL doesnt last ten hours for me anymore tho, more like 7 hours

[FI-Z33]

15" mbp i7, lasts me 8 hours

[aznrsx1979]

I'm thinking bout getting a MacBook Pro but haven't had any experience with them. I haven't used an Apple computer, well since the Macintosh and the Apple II plus when I was a kid. How is the per

I also haven't kept up with the newer processers, well not since the Core II Duo's came out. Don't know much about the Core i3, i5 and i7 processors. I'll also be using the laptop mainly with Windows 7 installed. Mostly because I'll be using AutoCAD and possibly Revit 90% of the time on it. I'm assuming for the money and performance, I should just get a PC laptop then?

[Senna4ever]

^^^ Yeah, just get a good Windows laptop.

[LC21]

For some reason i find photo editing on the mac is so much easier to use. Anyone feel the same way?

[Senna4ever]

I actually like Photoshop on a PC more than on a Mac, only because on a Mac, you can't get rid of the desktop in the background. It really bothers me. They work the same though.

[aznrsx1979]

^^^ Yeah, just get a good Windows laptop.

Thanks Senna, now I've just gotta find one that I like.

[The7even]

Because of your review of the MacBook Senna, I wen't ahead and spent $1,400 on my MacBook Pro and I LOVE it.

[Senna4ever]

Thanks Senna, now I've just gotta find one that I like.

How much are you willing to spend? Eurocom, Falcon Northwest & Lenovo (W700 series) make amazing desktop, err, more like workstation replacement laptops, but they can get pricey. None of them will be as light & compact as a Macbook Pro though.

The Lenovo W700 series laptops have a secondary screen that pops out from the side for your palettes so you can use the main screen for your image.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194694/lenovos_thinkpad_w701ds_supplies_massive_performan ce_and_meets_bigbudget_demands.html

[Senna4ever]

Because of your review of the MacBook Senna, I wen't ahead and spent $1,400 on my MacBook Pro and I LOVE it.
Sweet! :) It's nice how the bloody thing just works, eh?

[Iceman_2K]

8 gigs ram and SSD make the macbook pro even more sweeter

[Not really racist!]

Because of your review of the MacBook Senna, I wen't ahead and spent $1,400 on my MacBook Pro and I LOVE it.

13 inch? specs? just wondering how much im gonna have to spend

tia

[Senna4ever]

8 gigs ram and SSD make the macbook pro even more sweeter
Yeah, I just put in 8GB RAM and a Western Digital Scorpio Black 500GB 7200rpm HD. Noticeable speed boost! I wanted an SSD, but the capacities aren't there yet.

[LiquidTurbo]

I actually like Photoshop on a PC more than on a Mac, only because on a Mac, you can't get rid of the desktop in the background. It really bothers me. They work the same though.

I completely AGREE. I don't get why they made the background transparent. Often times I'll have Picasa open, then want to switch to PS to edit some imagnes, its very distracting to have stuff open in the background. Even with nothing else open, it's distracting with the desktop in the background. There isn't a setting in photoshop to change this, is there?

[RCubed]

I completely AGREE. I don't get why they made the background transparent. Often times I'll have Picasa open, then want to switch to PS to edit some imagnes, its very distracting to have stuff open in the background. Even with nothing else open, it's distracting with the desktop in the background. There isn't a setting in photoshop to change this, is there?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/RCubed/png.png
Is this what you mean?

[LiquidTurbo]

^ Utter fail on my part. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Senna4ever]

Not quite....in that view, the main image takes up the screen. What if you have multiple images in their small, individual windows?

Like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/Screen-shot-2011-02-09-at-1154.jpg

There is no way to get rid of the background like you can in the Windoze version of Photoshop.

[Iceman_2K]

Definitely a speed boost. Coupled with the 64bit kernel, it runs like lightning.

Yeah, I just put in 8GB RAM and a Western Digital Scorpio Black 500GB 7200rpm HD. Noticeable speed boost! I wanted an SSD, but the capacities aren't there yet.

[RCubed]

Not quite....in that view, the main image takes up the screen. What if you have multiple images in their small, individual windows?

Like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/Screen-shot-2011-02-09-at-1154.jpg

There is no way to get rid of the background like you can in the Windoze version of Photoshop.
Ah.
Another mode you can try is the "Application Frame" under window.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/RCubed/Screenshot2011-02-10at91615AM.png
This greys the backgrounds and puts your multiple images in the tabs. But you can drag the tabs out.

I think this is what youre looking for?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/RCubed/Screenshot2011-02-10at92918AM.png

[The7even]

13 inch? specs? just wondering how much im gonna have to spend

tia

13-inch: 2.4GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in battery (10 hours)2
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics



4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Backlit Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)


It was $1,199.00 USD at BestBuy for me, they took off a $100.00 for some reason and i got it for less, I bought a protective case too and everything ended up $1,399.00 after taxes and warranty and everything.

[gilly]

battery still at 98%. Almost a year now.

[ddr]

Definitely a speed boost. Coupled with the 64bit kernel, it runs like lightning.

is the lack of TRIM support detrimental to daily users? i installed one for a friend last year and it runs identical a year later as far as i can tell. and he uses it as his main computer. I'm not an expert at this but from wiki: "Although tools to "reset" some drives to a fresh state were already available before the introduction of TRIM, they also delete all data on the drive, which makes them impractical to use for ongoing optimization." So I can clone it sector by sector out onto an external drive, run the wipe tool, put it all back, and gain the performance again?

edit: this (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/apple/2010/07/01/mac-ssd-performance-trim-in-osx/7) answered it somewhat

senna you should look at the mce optibays (or comparable alternatives) that swaps our your optical drive and put it in a usb enclosure. that way you can have a ~120gb SSD + your WD500BLK.

imo they should really bring back the removable batteries. some ppl leave their computer on to d/l stuff all day. can't imagine what their battery life is like now. maybe the new batteries are that much better.

[Iceman_2K]

Pretty much what you read in the article holds true. I haven't had any degradation issues since putting the drive in.

[mrks]

Definitely a speed boost. Coupled with the 64bit kernel, it runs like lightning.


Have you encountered any issues running the 64-bit kernel?

I think Snow Leopard defaults to the 32-bit kernel.
Which method did you use to enable the 64-bit kernel?

[mrks]

is the lack of TRIM support detrimental to daily users? i installed one for a friend last year and it runs identical a year later as far as i can tell. and he uses it as his main computer. I'm not an expert at this but from wiki: "Although tools to "reset" some drives to a fresh state were already available before the introduction of TRIM, they also delete all data on the drive, which makes them impractical to use for ongoing optimization." So I can clone it sector by sector out onto an external drive, run the wipe tool, put it all back, and gain the performance again?

edit: this (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/apple/2010/07/01/mac-ssd-performance-trim-in-osx/7) answered it somewhat

senna you should look at the mce optibays (or comparable alternatives) that swaps our your optical drive and put it in a usb enclosure. that way you can have a ~120gb SSD + your WD500BLK.

imo they should really bring back the removable batteries. some ppl leave their computer on to d/l stuff all day. can't imagine what their battery life is like now. maybe the new batteries are that much better.

I have 2 SSD's in my MBP and I haven't seen any degradation issues.
Both are from OCZ, 1 is a Vertex and the other a Vertex 2. Both have built in system independent cleaning routines (aka garbage collection).
This means even if you don't have trim supported by OS X, they will clean up the drive during idle to maintain good performance.

The key thing about SSD's is erasing and formatting. Make sure you use the software recommended by the manufacturer. If just reformat and partition a drive you might misalign the memory map and your performance will suffer.
One of my drives would refuse to write once I reached 40 GB and it would hang the computer.

[Senna4ever]

Have you encountered any issues running the 64-bit kernel?

I think Snow Leopard defaults to the 32-bit kernel.
Which method did you use to enable the 64-bit kernel?

When you reboot the computer, hold down the '4' & '6' keys until the computer boots up. The first time you do it, it takes longer than usual to boot up. Then you have to follow these instructions: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773

You only have to edit Terminal once. After that you can switch between 32 bit & 64 bit simply pressing down the '3' & '2' or '6' & '4' keys while booting up.

The only issue I had was that image file icons stopped showing the previews - I had to hit the space bar to see the image preview.

[mrks]

When you reboot the computer, hold down the '4' & '6' keys until the computer boots up. The first time you do it, it takes longer than usual to boot up. Then you have to follow these instructions: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773

You only have to edit Terminal once. After that you can switch between 32 bit & 64 bit simply pressing down the '3' & '2' or '6' & '4' keys while booting up.

The only issue I had was that image file icons stopped showing the previews - I had to hit the space bar to see the image preview.

Thanks. I will have to use the 64-bit mode for a while to see what performance gains there are.

My thumbnails work in 64-bit mode. Maybe check your Quicklook plug-ins folder for the culprit.

[Senna4ever]

My thumbnails work in 64-bit mode. Maybe check your Quicklook plug-ins folder for the culprit.
Whazzat?

[mrks]

Quicklook is the part of OS X, which takes care of thumbnails and the preview when you press the space bar.

Normally it only supports a few types of files, but programs like office and Photoshop install additional plugin's. Maybe one of those plugins is causing your problem.

You can drag the plugin to the desktop to disable it, then restart to see if it made a difference.

The folder is located in /Library/Quicklook and in your "home folder"/Library/Quicklook.

[Senna4ever]

I don't have a folder or anything named "Quicklook" anywhere. :confused:

[Simplex123]

does anyone know the megapixel count on the facetime camera on a mac/macbook?

[Senna4ever]

I believe it's 1.3 MP on the newer Macbooks, Macbook Pros and iMacs.

[Simplex123]

wtf serious? why is there such a big difference in quality on my iMac than on my EEE PC? hahah the one on my netbook is so bad, like 10 times worse.

[Senna4ever]

^^ I might be wrong. :)

[mrks]

wtf serious? why is there such a big difference in quality on my iMac than on my EEE PC? hahah the one on my netbook is so bad, like 10 times worse.


Allow me to explain with a digital camera analogy. Both have 14 Megapixel sensors. One costs $50 the other $550, which one do you think takes better pictures?

http://drh2.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/ekconsus/images//products/EKN037025/0900688a80d2ce3d/0900688a80d2ce3d_EKN037025_C183_silver_dim_645x370 .jpg

http://www.dslrphoto.com/wp-content/plugins/feedlist/d3100.jpg

[Senna4ever]

Allow me to explain with a digital camera analogy. Both have 14 Megapixel sensors. One costs $50 the other $550, which one do you think takes better pictures?

http://drh2.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/ekconsus/images//products/EKN037025/0900688a80d2ce3d/0900688a80d2ce3d_EKN037025_C183_silver_dim_645x370 .jpg

http://www.dslrphoto.com/wp-content/plugins/feedlist/d3100.jpg
Actually, that's not entirely accurate. The Kodak has a sensor half the size of your pinky fingernail. The Nikon's sensor is 75% the size of a 35mm frame of film. It's the size of the sensor that makes the difference in image quality. The image sensor in laptops and desktops are very similar in size...must be the quality of the sensor themselves and the processing that goes on that is responsible for the difference.

[mrks]

Actually, that's not entirely accurate. The Kodak has a sensor half the size of your pinky fingernail. The Nikon's sensor is 75% the size of a 35mm frame of film. It's the size of the sensor that makes the difference in image quality. The image sensor in laptops and desktops are very similar in size...must be the quality of the sensor themselves and the processing that goes on that is responsible for the difference.

I wasn't aiming for accuracy. It's a simple and crude analogy, that even my mom would understand. Why one camera takes better quality pictures.


For what it's worth, your 35mm frame example would still hold true to the webcams. I have a few spare iSight sensors and the physical size of the component is larger than the one in my Mini 10v, which is also 1.3 megapixels.

[LiquidTurbo]

Signal processing on the software end is another aspect.

[Nismo Fanboy]

The screen of my macbook pro does not display when I turn on the computer. The screen does not turn on at all.

Are there any methods that I can use to backup the files in the laptop before I send it off to apple care? I have my completed homework assignments inside that are due Friday. I think it will take longer than that for apple to have the laptop fixed.

I tried connecting the MBP to an external monitor, but there is no signal.

Thanks in advance!

[Senna4ever]

I wasn't aiming for accuracy. It's a simple and crude analogy, that even my mom would understand. Why one camera takes better quality pictures.

For what it's worth, your 35mm frame example would still hold true to the webcams. I have a few spare iSight sensors and the physical size of the component is larger than the one in my Mini 10v, which is also 1.3 megapixels.
Why spread misinformation, even though it makes it easier to understand for the other party? You just used pricing as an example - you didn't go into the 'why'. I just pointed that out. Maybe I'm too technical?

Signal processing on the software end is another aspect.
True, I just didn't want to add another layer of complexity.

[Senna4ever]

The screen of my macbook pro does not display when I turn on the computer. The screen does not turn on at all.

Are there any methods that I can use to backup the files in the laptop before I send it off to apple care? I have my completed homework assignments inside that are due Friday. I think it will take longer than that for apple to have the laptop fixed.

I tried connecting the MBP to an external monitor, but there is no signal.

Thanks in advance!
I would take out the HD and put it into an enclosure and clone it using a back-up utility like Carbon Copy Cloner onto a blank HD. The software is free. You'll just need another Mac to do it.

http://www.bombich.com/

[Nismo Fanboy]

I would take out the HD and put it into an enclosure and clone it using a back-up utility like Carbon Copy Cloner onto a blank HD. The software is free. You'll just need another Mac to do it.

http://www.bombich.com/

Thanks for your help! If I buy an external enclosure and install the MBP hard drive to it, will I be able to access the files immediately using a windows PC?

[Senna4ever]

If it's formatted via Mac OS Journal, then no. If it's FAT, probably.

[LiquidTurbo]

I wasn't aiming for accuracy. It's a simple and crude analogy, that even my mom would understand. Why one camera takes better quality pictures.


For what it's worth, your 35mm frame example would still hold true to the webcams. I have a few spare iSight sensors and the physical size of the component is larger than the one in my Mini 10v, which is also 1.3 megapixels.

Just because a sensor is small doesn't mean it will take bad pictures. You give the newb a D3100 and a point and shoot with a pro, and the pro will make better pictures. Another big reason for the higher quality quality of pictures has to do with the lens. Agree with Senna, not good to spread misinformation. Ie. An incorrect analogy.
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[ddr]

Thanks for your help! If I buy an external enclosure and install the MBP hard drive to it, will I be able to access the files immediately using a windows PC?

MacDrive (http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive)

works like a charm, transferred just over 500gb's of media in one session with no problems.

[Senna4ever]

Holy crap, the new Macbook Pro models are amazing! Photoshop CS5 is going to absolutely fly on the quad core models.

[Iceman_2K]

Max the ram and have SSD and you've got a bloody fast combination. Throw in 64bit kernel and it should be a sweet experience. The lightspeed connection is pretty interesting, considering its kicking all other connection types to the curb at this point in terms of RAW speed.

Senna4ever: you gonna get one of the newer MBPs? I have a 13 MBP with 8 gigs and SSD right now, and tried out the MB Air, but none of the MB Air can boot into the 64 bit kernel, so i returned it the next day. Gonna wait and see what else comes out this year.

[gilly]

NEW MACBOOK PROS ARE OUTTTT

Aesthetically, the new Macbook Pro models don't seem to be have been altered all that much -- they're still the aluminum unibody machines we know and love. However, there is the addition of the new Thunderbolt connector, which promises up to 10Gbps data transfer speeds, and yes, it's based on Intel's long awaited Light Peak technology. We've got some more details on Thunderbolt here. The other major physical update to all the machines is the new FaceTime HD camera -- it's triple the resolution of the previous iSight MacBook Pro cams and supports full HD video calling.

* 13-inch MacBook Pro - Last time around the 13-inchers didn't exactly get a lot of love (they were stuck with older Core 2 Duo processors), but this time is different -- both 13.3-inch models are now available with Core i5 and i7 processors. The lower end model starts at $1,199, and features a 2.4GHz dual-core Core i5 processor, 4GB of RAM, and 320GB hard drive. Going up to the 2.7GHz dual-core Core i7 CPU and 500GB hard drive will set you back $1,499. This duo doesn't get the AMD graphics treatment like the others, but from what we've heard Intel's new HD 3000 integrated graphics is more powerful than ever.

* 15-inch MacBook Pro - No more Core i5 options for the middle child -- these two strictly get the Core i7 and AMD Radeon HD 6000M goods. The $1,799 model packs a 2.0GHz quad-core Core i7 processor, AMD Radeon HD6490M graphics with 1GB of VRAM, and a 500GB hard drive. On the higher end, there's a $2,199 model which buys you a faster 2.2GHz Core i7 chip, AMD Radeon 6750M graphics, and 750GB hard drive. There are also 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB SSD options. Also, as far as we understand, the graphics switching will work exactly like the previous models -- it automatically switches between the GPU and IGP depending on what you're doing.

* 17-inch MacBook Pro - Last but not least you've got the all-powerful 17-incher, which basically has the same specs as that high-end 15-incher -- for $2,499 you get that same 2.2GHz Core i7 processor, AMD Radeon 6750M graphics, and a 750GB hard drive. Naturally, you can spec this one out with those aforementioned SSD options.

All the new MacBook Pro models are up for order on Apple's store today, although at the moment the Store still appears to be down. Stay tuned for some hands-on impressions and eventually a full review!

[cliffhanger33]

NEW MACBOOK PROS ARE OUTTTT

Aesthetically, the new Macbook Pro models don't seem to be have been altered all that much -- they're still the aluminum unibody machines we know and love. However, there is the addition of the new Thunderbolt connector, which promises up to 10Gbps data transfer speeds, and yes, it's based on Intel's long awaited Light Peak technology. We've got some more details on Thunderbolt here. The other major physical update to all the machines is the new FaceTime HD camera -- it's triple the resolution of the previous iSight MacBook Pro cams and supports full HD video calling.

* 13-inch MacBook Pro - Last time around the 13-inchers didn't exactly get a lot of love (they were stuck with older Core 2 Duo processors), but this time is different -- both 13.3-inch models are now available with Core i5 and i7 processors. The lower end model starts at $1,199, and features a 2.4GHz dual-core Core i5 processor, 4GB of RAM, and 320GB hard drive. Going up to the 2.7GHz dual-core Core i7 CPU and 500GB hard drive will set you back $1,499. This duo doesn't get the AMD graphics treatment like the others, but from what we've heard Intel's new HD 3000 integrated graphics is more powerful than ever.

* 15-inch MacBook Pro - No more Core i5 options for the middle child -- these two strictly get the Core i7 and AMD Radeon HD 6000M goods. The $1,799 model packs a 2.0GHz quad-core Core i7 processor, AMD Radeon HD6490M graphics with 1GB of VRAM, and a 500GB hard drive. On the higher end, there's a $2,199 model which buys you a faster 2.2GHz Core i7 chip, AMD Radeon 6750M graphics, and 750GB hard drive. There are also 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB SSD options. Also, as far as we understand, the graphics switching will work exactly like the previous models -- it automatically switches between the GPU and IGP depending on what you're doing.

* 17-inch MacBook Pro - Last but not least you've got the all-powerful 17-incher, which basically has the same specs as that high-end 15-incher -- for $2,499 you get that same 2.2GHz Core i7 processor, AMD Radeon 6750M graphics, and a 750GB hard drive. Naturally, you can spec this one out with those aforementioned SSD options.

All the new MacBook Pro models are up for order on Apple's store today, although at the moment the Store still appears to be down. Stay tuned for some hands-on impressions and eventually a full review!


what about appearances?

[breh]

i like when people prefer to wait for a response rather than take 3 seconds to type in a web address and find things out for themselves.

[Senna4ever]

i like when people prefer to wait for a response rather than take 3 seconds to type in a web address and find things out for themselves.

Especially when the answer to the question is in the very first sentence of the quoted post. Reading comprehension FAIL.

[Manic!]

I guess Macs will never have USB 3.0 or Blu Ray.

[Senna4ever]

USB 3.0 is inferior to Thunderbolt anyways. I agree the lack of Blu Ray is a bit of a minus, but 1080p Blu Ray video rips are readily available via torrents so it hasn't affected me. It's the inablility to burn Blu ray discs to back up my photos that irks me, but that can be solved by having an external BD burner.

USB 3.0 is available via 3rd party Express Cards, but why bother now that Thunderbolt kicks USB 3.0's ass?

[Hehe]

I seriously thought Apple was gonna add BD drive at least as an option. I mean, when you are asking 1799 for your 15" lappy, BD should be standard if you are gonna have an optical drive at all.

[gilly]

^ yeah i agree.

[gars]

USB 3.0 is inferior to Thunderbolt anyways. I agree the lack of Blu Ray is a bit of a minus, but 1080p Blu Ray video rips are readily available via torrents so it hasn't affected me. It's the inablility to burn Blu ray discs to back up my photos that irks me, but that can be solved by having an external BD burner.

USB 3.0 is available via 3rd party Express Cards, but why bother now that Thunderbolt kicks USB 3.0's ass?

There are very few peripherals that can fully make use of USB 3.0's speeds - how many more can make use of Thunderbolt's?

Plus - the vast majority of consumer peripherals connect via USB - 3.0 is backwards compatible with them.

I can see Thunderbolt being great for the professional who really needs that extra bit of juice - but I don't think it will be a standard that will catch on. USB 3.0 will take over before that happens.

[Sky_2000]

Apple just trying create another standard it can control like Firewire. We all know how far Firewire got with Apple.

[skyxx]

^ This isn't a standard created by Apple. It's actually a standard created by Intel called Lightpeak. Apple just so happens to include it this year when the official launch date for Lightpeak is next year. Many others have jumped on board for this I/O. I am sure it will co-exist well with USB 3.0. I'm definitely ecstatic about this because you can run a monitor, external drives, as well as other peripherals using one wire! The I/O is a Displayport connector.

[Sky_2000]

"Thunderbolt (originally codenamed Light Peak) is an interface for connecting peripheral devices to a computer via a peripheral bus. Thunderbolt was developed by Intel and brought to market with technical collaboration from Apple Inc. It was introduced commercially on Apple's updated MacBook Pro lineup on 24 February 2011, using the same port and connector as Mini DisplayPort."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

So yes Apple did help develop/ implement it! So they stand to profit from this technology if it becomes a standard. Just like how they stood to profit if FireWire became a industry standard. Apple didn't develop the FireWire itself either but was a major player in trying to make it an industry standard.

"FireWire is Apple's name for the IEEE 1394 High Speed Serial Bus. It was initiated by Apple (in 1986[2]) and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface

[JesseBlue]

^ then re-word what you mentioned earlier with the sentence that you have in bold. 'Helped in the development' and 'created another standard' are worlds apart.

with the post you originally posted it makes it seem that you work for the national inquirer...trying to create a story from just the headline.

[Sky_2000]

Did I say they created the Thunderbolt? Or did I say they are trying to make Thunderbold another industry standard because they stand to make billions off from it? s. Why else would they put an unproven technology into their MacBooks when an Blu-Ray drive would make so much more sense? Apple is all about owning everything in their ecosystem. They would rather use unproven technology that they own then go out and put something that they don't own/develop/make a shit load of money in their systems. I'm not knocking them for it I'm just saying that's how Apple as a whole think. They want to own/control everything that goes into their products top down.

[Senna4ever]

There are very few peripherals that can fully make use of USB 3.0's speeds - how many more can make use of Thunderbolt's?

Plus - the vast majority of consumer peripherals connect via USB - 3.0 is backwards compatible with them.

I can see Thunderbolt being great for the professional who really needs that extra bit of juice - but I don't think it will be a standard that will catch on. USB 3.0 will take over before that happens.
The great thing about Thunderbolt is that all you need is one cable to connect your peripherals + monitor + whatever. The sustained thoughput is faster than USB 3.0's theoretical max, IIRC.

Apple just trying create another standard it can control like Firewire. We all know how far Firewire got with Apple.
Firewire peripherals are used by just about every professional that works in photography or cinematography. Many Sony VAIO laptops have it too, as did my old 17" HP laptop, and it came in quite handy.

The bottom line is that only time will tell.

I would have been happy with eSATA, but I found out after I bought my eSATA enclosure & ExpressCard that eSATA isn't bus powered! Not exactly user friendly if I wanted to sit at a cafe editing shit for clients. FML...

[Senna4ever]

... They want to own/control everything that goes into their products top down.

That's why their products work so well.

[skyxx]

Did I say they created the Thunderbolt? Or did I say they are trying to make Thunderbold another industry standard because they stand to make billions off from it? s. Why else would they put an unproven technology into their MacBooks when an Blu-Ray drive would make so much more sense? Apple is all about owning everything in their ecosystem. They would rather use unproven technology that they own then go out and put something that they don't own/develop/make a shit load of money in their systems. I'm not knocking them for it I'm just saying that's how Apple as a whole think. They want to own/control everything that goes into their products top down.

To this date, I have not seen an interface that can utilize one single connection to transfer multiple high bandwidth peripherals. (ie; monitors, hard drives etc etc). Even if it was done so with the collaboration of Apple, it doesn't deter the fact that it's one of the most promising interfaces to date.

I don't care if they want to have market share in every single thing they put on their systems, that's not even for me to worry about. Every company wants to own a piece of something. That's how the corporate world works. You can simply not support Apple products by NOT buy them, I only care for products that will benefit me. Much like how Thunderbolt seems like a very viable interface that will make my workspace faster and more efficient.

[Sky_2000]

I agree that Firewire is still being used by most video professional but last I looked Apple demographic for it's products is for the average consumer who don't do heavy video editing. Firewire just never found a market, for the most part USB 1.1 was fast enough for every peripheral except hard drives and video cameras (transferring video to hard drive stuff), and I'm not sure but if I recall by the time external hard drives became popular USB 2.0 was out, why use firewire when you can use USB.

No one is dissing Apple Top Down approach to it's ecosystem. Most if not all companies envy them! All i'm saying is Apple makes choices on what makes them or potentially can make them the most money. And many times these choices aren't in line with that their consumers really want. But due to their awesome marketing most consumers are happy to let Apple dictate what they think you may need or not need.

I still think Firewire was a failed attempted by Apple to monopolize the data interface game, which USB won and now I feel like that same is going to happen to Thunderbolt.

[Senna4ever]

All i'm saying is Apple makes choices on what makes them or potentially can make them the most money.
Isn't that what one is taught in the first day of Business 101? ALL businesses strive to do that! What CEO or president of a company is going to say, "Let's provide a service or product that will make us less money?"

[breh]

Well the whole mini-display port thing failed hard and they still refuse to use a real standard like HDMI even though pretty much every laptop in the world uses HDMI or HDMI+VGA.

[Senna4ever]

You can get a Mini Display port to HDMI adapter.

[SaviorSelf_666]

Just got a new dock for my 13in MBP. It's one of the best accessories I have bought;

http://www.hengedocks.com/

[Senna4ever]

Just got a new dock for my 13in MBP. It's one of the best accessories I have bought;

http://www.hengedocks.com/

Looks nice. Is it made of aluminum or plastic?

[SaviorSelf_666]

plastic

[gars]

The great thing about Thunderbolt is that all you need is one cable to connect your peripherals + monitor + whatever. The sustained thoughput is faster than USB 3.0's theoretical max, IIRC.


It's true, their sustained throughput is faster than USB 3.0's - but there aren't any peripherals that you can use where the USB 3.0 would be a bottleneck.

I can see how it would be great to be able to connect everything through one port, but it just means you will need to buy a million accessories to connect things to that one port. Connect just a monitor, one adaptor. connect a monitor and a usb device, another adaptor.


and yes, firewire was developed with Apple, but also with Sony - which labels it as their iLink port.

It's funny, because when I worked at a Sony Centre in London - we'd have a lot of customers who would buy a DV or HDV camcorder from us - where you need a a firewire cable to plug into their computer. A lot of them have MPB's to work on their stuff - but when they wanted to plug in their camcorder - they would ask me how to do it. I told them they needed a convertor to go from the standard Firewire 600 from a Firewire 800 - which MBP's have. Apple, being the only product on the market to use that port, SHOULD have an adaptor. But everytime I send someone to go to the Apple Store, they come back, saying that they don't sell it. I'm not sure if it's the idiot genius's that work there - or they actually don't sell an adaptor for their own product.

[K-Dub]

I use FW800 for my hard drives cause the speed difference IS noticeable vs USB2.0.

The new MBP excites me, but...my early 2007 MBP is still running a-ok. Guess Ill wait till the 2nd or 3rd version of this new Thunderbolt generation of MBP's.

[Senna4ever]

plastic
That's unfortunate.

[SaviorSelf_666]

Yeah I thought so too..but I think aluminum on aluminum would leave some nasty marks when inserting and removing it.

[Senna4ever]

Is the build quality good enough that you're happy with it?

[roverT]

I've had my Macbook Pro for 6 years now. It's an older Core Duo 2.16 model and it's been completely fine with no problems! Today I still do my graphics design work on it with a max 2GB RAM. LOL.

I'm about to pull the trigger and get the new quad core 15" but I'm trying to figure out if buying the base 2.0 or the higher end 2.2 would be better with the significant video card/GPU upgrade would be better using Illustrator/Photoshop/Lightroom. I mean if it takes a photo a couple more seconds to make a filter happen then I don't mind that. As long as the computer doesn't appear to be struggling and redrawing the screen in blocks of data.

The only things changed in my old Macbook Pro is a Seagate 320GB G-Shock protected harddrive and a new battery 5 years ago which still works close to 100% today. I take the battery out when not using it while leaving it with a charge in between 40% to 80%. I use battery power approximately once a week. The OS has been solid coming from a hardcore Windows background. It's been a year and a bit and my Mac side still boots up in about 40 seconds and shuts down within 10 seconds. My Windows 7 "bootcamped" side has degraded heavily to numbers far greater than Mac OS speed.

Another thing worth mentioning is a laptop stand. The one shown above looks very clean but stops you from using the dual monitor side which is extremely important once you get used to having double the real estate on screen resolution. Here is my setup at home which I love!!
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1719/mybedroompanorama.jpg

[skholla]

Just got a new dock for my 13in MBP. It's one of the best accessories I have bought;

http://www.hengedocks.com/

Great find, I'm going to order one of these.
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[skholla]

I guess Macs will never have USB 3.0 or Blu Ray.

We might see USB 3.0 when it finally takes off and goes widespread across the market. Right now the selection of USB 3.0 devices is slim....

Not quite as slim as the higher peforming Thunderbolt but Lacie is already selling hard drives with the Thunderbolt interface.

Bluray is something that we may never see on macs, the "bag of hurt" comment is why. While I am not happy with he decision I understand it, also bluray would compete with apples iTunes movie purchase and rental system. Right not Apple is not the only company fighting bluray, there's a bunch of others... Even Microsoft omitted bluray on the xbox 360 slim, yes it kept the cost down but it allowed them to push their digital content distribution system.

For everyone on here saying FireWire is a failed standard or whatever... You obviously have not used a dv cam or transferred large amounts of data. FireWire is a necessity in the video world, and copying gigabytes or terabytes is much much quicker via FireWire than USB 2.0. Also on a external raid 0 or raid 5 enclosure, FireWire 800 is even faster. Its all about the quality and performance of the sata to FireWire chipset, a good Oxford brand chipset with outperform USB any day.
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[ScizzMoney]

Can the new macbook pro higher end 15" and the 17" run starcraft on ultra?

[K-Dub]

I've had my Macbook Pro for 6 years now. It's an older Core Duo 2.16 model and it's been completely fine with no problems! Today I still do my graphics design work on it with a max 2GB RAM. LOL.

I'm about to pull the trigger and get the new quad core 15" but I'm trying to figure out if buying the base 2.0 or the higher end 2.2 would be better with the significant video card/GPU upgrade would be better using Illustrator/Photoshop/Lightroom. I mean if it takes a photo a couple more seconds to make a filter happen then I don't mind that. As long as the computer doesn't appear to be struggling and redrawing the screen in blocks of data.

The only things changed in my old Macbook Pro is a Seagate 320GB G-Shock protected harddrive and a new battery 5 years ago which still works close to 100% today. I take the battery out when not using it while leaving it with a charge in between 40% to 80%. I use battery power approximately once a week. The OS has been solid coming from a hardcore Windows background. It's been a year and a bit and my Mac side still boots up in about 40 seconds and shuts down within 10 seconds. My Windows 7 "bootcamped" side has degraded heavily to numbers far greater than Mac OS speed.

Another thing worth mentioning is a laptop stand. The one shown above looks very clean but stops you from using the dual monitor side which is extremely important once you get used to having double the real estate on screen resolution. Here is my setup at home which I love!!
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1719/mybedroompanorama.jpg

My battery was replaced free as it was one of those that were faulty and quickly dropped its charge. Did you change your own hard drive? Also, have you ever opened up the case to clean? I'm thinking of doing that since I'm now way past applecare & warranty, and I want to clean up the dust that's accumulated in.

So you say that when you are plugged in, you take the battery out. Doesn't that mean you're only running 1 CPU?

[ddr]

the core2duo 2.4 was not hard to take apart at all. google it and watch the youtube videos.

[RCubed]

Anyone have weird light blotches when viewing "black" on their macbook screens?
I have a weird blotch right in the middle of the screen.

[johnb]

Anyone have weird light blotches when viewing "black" on their macbook screens?
I have a weird blotch right in the middle of the screen.

I had that issue with my unibody macbook. Annoyed me so much I took it in to see a genius. Lucky for me apple replaced the lcd even tho my warranty expired.

[RCubed]

^Ah, good to know it'll be covered.
Ill bring it in to apple after I finish midterms.

[Tim Budong]

Im running one of the first gen macs, mid 2007 model with the nvidia chipset, There was a silent recall on that chipset, I had to use it twice, apple said no the 3rd time. now i use my mac on an external monitor...

BUT..my new one comes 2molo. I finally will have a new one

[Senna4ever]

^^^ Which one did you get?

[roverT]

My battery was replaced free as it was one of those that were faulty and quickly dropped its charge. Did you change your own hard drive? Also, have you ever opened up the case to clean? I'm thinking of doing that since I'm now way past applecare & warranty, and I want to clean up the dust that's accumulated in.

So you say that when you are plugged in, you take the battery out. Doesn't that mean you're only running 1 CPU?

Yeah my battery was replaced for free too just before my 1 year was up. The old Macbook doesn't reduce CPU power when the battery is taken out. The only drawback is if we have a power outage. If I'm working on a project I make sure auto save is on and I'll install my battery if the weather seems like it may take out the power. So far so good....instant power off in Mac's don't screw things up like my Windows based computers did.

I did change my own harddrive and there were a LOT of screws to take out. I stripped one putting it back together so my computer is one screw short out of the many screws that hold it together. Here is a DIY: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Model-A1150-Hard-Drive-Replacement/486/1

I love how problemless my Mac has been. I get the same comments from my friends who have switched as well. You pay double the amount for a Macbook but it lasts you twice to three times as long as your similar spec'ed PC based hardware. You have a tenth of the headaches Windows gives you which saves a lot of time and braincells. The extra cost is worth it for such a solid and refined electronic tool.

[!MiKrofT]

Yeah my battery was replaced for free too just before my 1 year was up. The old Macbook doesn't reduce CPU power when the battery is taken out. The only drawback is if we have a power outage. If I'm working on a project I make sure auto save is on and I'll install my battery if the weather seems like it may take out the power. So far so good....instant power off in Mac's don't screw things up like my Windows based computers did.

I did change my own harddrive and there were a LOT of screws to take out. I stripped one putting it back together so my computer is one screw short out of the many screws that hold it together. Here is a DIY: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Model-A1150-Hard-Drive-Replacement/486/1

I love how problemless my Mac has been. I get the same comments from my friends who have switched as well. You pay double the amount for a Macbook but it lasts you twice to three times as long as your similar spec'ed PC based hardware. You have a tenth of the headaches Windows gives you which saves a lot of time and braincells. The extra cost is worth it for such a solid and refined electronic tool.
If you have constant power outages I'd recommend getting a UPS of some sort. Safer in the long run and they aren't too expensive.

[roverT]

Luckily Coquitlam has really reliable power! :) If I'm in Surrey that's a different story. LOL.

[Tim Budong]

^^^ Which one did you get?

13in i7. It's good enuff for me

[gilly]

i wonder when the new imacs are coming out.. rumors say this month or something.

[ddr]

There was a silent recall on that chipset, I had to use it twice, apple said no the 3rd time. now i use my mac on an external monitor...

i don't think it's fair that there is no 3rd time. they should replace it as many times as it takes. their problem (or nvidia's) for making a problem chipset.

usually they're pretty good with things that can get look bad very fast though ...

[Tim Budong]

i don't think it's fair that there is no 3rd time. they should replace it as many times as it takes. their problem (or nvidia's) for making a problem chipset.

usually they're pretty good with things that can get look bad very fast though ...

ugh i got fed up pretty quickly. Apparently I only get one time to replace it. It was lucky i got a 2nd replacement/repair that quickly

[ddr]

good to know. they're only nice once.

[Senna4ever]

If you have constant power outages I'd recommend getting a UPS of some sort. Safer in the long run and they aren't too expensive.

Make sure the UPS has a line conditioner for clean power output, otherwise hard drives can fail prematurely.

[Tim Budong]

one week, I've purchased the moshi clearguarg and palmguard as recommendation from many on twitter. BEST PURCHASE so far. I absolutely love it right now!

[ddr]

http://lifehacker.com/#!5786538/trim-enabler-increases-solid-state-drive-performance-in-os-x

[jeff19]

one week, I've purchased the moshi clearguarg and palmguard as recommendation from many on twitter. BEST PURCHASE so far. I absolutely love it right now!

i have the moshi cleaguard too, but it gets realli cloudy from oil/fingerprints after a few months of use :(. been looking for a way to effectively wash it, but havent had much success... tried using hot water and both soap and dish washing detergent, but didnt realli do much..

[Groot]

hey guys...i got a problem with my macbook pro. i go on facebook and it works perfectly for like 2 secs and then it force quits and shows the safari closed unexpectedly thing lol...heres what the details it gave me
Process: Safari [252]
Path: /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari
Identifier: com.apple.Safari
Version: 5.0.2 (6533.18.5)
Build Info: WebBrowser-75331805~5
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [140]

Date/Time: 2011-04-03 22:59:41.859 -0700
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.5 (10H574)
Report Version: 6

Interval Since Last Report: 14702 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 6
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 14423 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 6
Anonymous UUID: 0CCE078F-764C-40CB-8A00-F36821D6FB35

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000068
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.apple.Safari 0x0000000100172323 0x100000000 + 1516323
1 com.apple.Safari 0x000000010019fc20 0x100000000 + 1702944
2 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fff89084246 JSC::JSCallbackFunction::call(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSObject*, JSC::JSValue, JSC::ArgList const&) + 358
3 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fff890362ff cti_op_call_NotJSFunction + 415
4 ??? 0x000030c90b812321 0 + 53640039572257
5 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fff890b23ac JSC::Interpreter::execute(JSC::FunctionExecutable* , JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSFunction*, JSC::JSObject*, JSC::ArgList const&, JSC::ScopeChainNode*, JSC::JSValue*) + 508
6 ??? 0x000000011dcc8740 0 + 4794910528
7 ??? 0x000000011cba0910 0 + 4776921360
8 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fff890be690 JSC::JSCallbackObject<JSC::JSObject>::~JSCallbackObject() + 0
9 ??? 0x894918ec83485355 0 + 9892465460589908821

Thread 1: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
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5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f21005 start_wqthread + 13

Thread 2: WebCore: IconDatabase
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2 com.apple.WebCore 0x00007fff83bcdd49 WebCore::IconDatabase::syncThreadMainLoop() + 249
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Thread 3: Safari: CertRevocationChecker
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1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f0794d mach_msg + 59
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80233932 __CFRunLoopRun + 1698
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80232dbf CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 575
4 com.apple.Safari 0x000000010002fa3d 0x100000000 + 195133
5 com.apple.Safari 0x000000010002f9cd 0x100000000 + 195021
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 4:
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1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f0794d mach_msg + 59
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80233932 __CFRunLoopRun + 1698
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80232dbf CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 575
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff87a3a07f +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionReallyInternal) _resourceLoadLoop:] + 297
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff879bb0a5 __NSThread__main__ + 1429
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 5: Safari: SafeBrowsingManager
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f072da mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f0794d mach_msg + 59
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80233932 __CFRunLoopRun + 1698
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80232dbf CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 575
4 com.apple.Safari 0x000000010002fa3d 0x100000000 + 195133
5 com.apple.Safari 0x000000010002f9cd 0x100000000 + 195021
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 6: com.apple.CFSocket.private
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f4ae92 select$DARWIN_EXTSN + 10
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff80255498 __CFSocketManager + 824
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 7: WebCore: LocalStorage
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f41fca __semwait_signal + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f45de1 _pthread_cond_wait + 1286
2 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fff88f5b400 WTF::ThreadCondition::timedWait(WTF::Mutex&, double) + 64
3 com.apple.WebCore 0x00007fff83f1f7a1 WebCore::LocalStorageThread::threadEntryPoint() + 193
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 8: Safari: SnapshotStore
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f41fca __semwait_signal + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f45de1 _pthread_cond_wait + 1286
2 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fff88f5b400 WTF::ThreadCondition::timedWait(WTF::Mutex&, double) + 64
3 com.apple.Safari 0x00000001001be849 0x100000000 + 1828937
4 com.apple.Safari 0x000000010004750b 0x100000000 + 292107
5 com.apple.Safari 0x0000000100047389 0x100000000 + 291721
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7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 9:
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1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f0794d mach_msg + 59
2 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff884a33d2 CA::Render::Server::server_thread(void*) + 177
3 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff884a3312 thread_fun + 34
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 10:
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1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f45de1 _pthread_cond_wait + 1286
2 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8629f342 CVDisplayLink::runIOThread() + 804
3 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8629efe3 startIOThread(void*) + 139
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 11:
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1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f2139c _pthread_wqthread + 917
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Thread 12: Safari: SpinningProgressIndicator
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Thread 13:
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2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5e1c6 _mdns_search + 1152
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Thread 14:
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Thread 15:
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Thread 16:
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Thread 17:
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1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5ef23 _mdns_query_mDNSResponder + 1075
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5e1c6 _mdns_search + 1152
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5d561 _mdns_addrinfo + 754
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5c5bc search_addrinfo + 146
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5bfdc si_addrinfo + 1351
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f7323b si_async_launchpad + 94
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 18:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f2016a kevent + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5ef23 _mdns_query_mDNSResponder + 1075
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5e1c6 _mdns_search + 1152
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5d561 _mdns_addrinfo + 754
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5c5bc search_addrinfo + 146
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5bfdc si_addrinfo + 1351
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f7323b si_async_launchpad + 94
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 19:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f2016a kevent + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5ef23 _mdns_query_mDNSResponder + 1075
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5e1c6 _mdns_search + 1152
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5d561 _mdns_addrinfo + 754
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5c5bc search_addrinfo + 146
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f5bfdc si_addrinfo + 1351
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f7323b si_async_launchpad + 94
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f40536 _pthread_start + 331
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff87f403e9 thread_start + 13

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x000000012875a088 rbx: 0x000000012875a088 rcx: 0x000000011dcd95c0 rdx: 0x000000012875a088
rdi: 0x0000000122ea1510 rsi: 0x00007fff5fbfe240 rbp: 0x00007fff5fbfe210 rsp: 0x00007fff5fbfe120
r8: 0x0000000000000000 r9: 0x0000000000000000 r10: 0x00000001235c9800 r11: 0x000000000000003f
r12: 0x00000001132103a0 r13: 0x0000000122ea1510 r14: 0x0000000000000003 r15: 0x000000011dcd95c0
rip: 0x0000000100172323 rfl: 0x0000000000010202 cr2: 0x0000000000000068

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Model: MacBookPro7,1, BootROM MBP71.0039.B05, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.66 GHz, 4 GB, SMC 1.62f6
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 320M, NVIDIA GeForce 320M, PCI, 256 MB
Memory Module: global_name
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x8D), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.131.36.1)
Bluetooth: Version 2.3.8f7, 2 service, 19 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1
Serial ATA Device: Hitachi HTS545050B9A300, 465.76 GB
Serial ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-898
USB Device: Built-in iSight, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8507, 0x24600000
USB Device: Internal Memory Card Reader, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8403, 0x26100000
USB Device: USB OPTICAL MOUSE, 0x093a (Pixart Imaging, Inc.), 0x2510, 0x04100000
USB Device: BRCM2046 Hub, 0x0a5c (Broadcom Corp.), 0x4500, 0x06600000
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8213, 0x06610000
USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x0236, 0x06300000
USB Device: IR Receiver, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8242, 0x06500000

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....sageID=8484945
i browsed through here...and it seems like its a ad block? can someone help me?
TIA! :)

[ScizzMoney]

I know it's not a solution, but a workaround for now. Try using Chrome as a browser? It's what I use and I like it more than Safari. Sorry I can't help you further.

[BrRsn]

Hey guys, not a macguy but a friends asking me to put windows on her imac,

its the 27inch and she said she bought in late 2010 (I think around summer 2010?) and it is the i7 based one (i think). Is it ok for me to put windows 7 64bit on it, or will only 32 bit work? I tried installed both 32 and 64 on her macbook and only 32bit worked, im about to order a OEM edition of windows 7 but can't decide whether to get 64 or 32bit ... will 64 work?

[ddr]

all of the CPUs in intel macs core2duo and after are 64-bit compatible

[baggdis300]

UGH

my under month old mbp 13" i5 has this werid problem every couple weeks(its been 2 weeks since last time) this box pops up telling me to hold my power button until turns off in different languages wtf is goin on?

i didn't pay this much money to have these kinds of problems :(

[roverT]

I had that happen to my 6 year old MBP 15". I still use it and it happened a couple times in a few months. I just got a new MBP 15 and so far everything is good. Let us know how things turn out. You can goto Apple and they can help diagnose whether you have a faulty motherboard. :) Just because of the Apple image, there are still a few bad apples out of a bunch. There's no such thing as a perfect bunch of apples....haha. That's why we have refurbs!!

[CRS]

UGH

my under month old mbp 13" i5 has this werid problem every couple weeks(its been 2 weeks since last time) this box pops up telling me to hold my power button until turns off in different languages wtf is goin on?

i didn't pay this much money to have these kinds of problems :(

Make an appointment and bring it in to an apple store.

They diagnosis on the spot and if it isn't any thing serious, they fix it right away. Even if they do require you to send it in, it takes about a week (or atleast it did for me) to get a return. Pretty quick and very good CS.

[Senna4ever]

UGH

my under month old mbp 13" i5 has this werid problem every couple weeks(its been 2 weeks since last time) this box pops up telling me to hold my power button until turns off in different languages wtf is goin on?

i didn't pay this much money to have these kinds of problems :(

Do you have an iPhone tethered to your MBP when it happens? It happens to mine sometimes, but only when tethered to my iPhone.

[skholla]

thats called a kernel panic, the mac version of the blue screen of death. could be a software or hardware problem, definitely take it into apple and let them look after it. if you want to troubleshoot the issue yourself you can try to eliminate the software and OS by backing up and wiping the system. then perform all system updates and try to reproduce the issue, if it does happen then its a most likely a hardware issue. if it does not then it was most likely software, setting or conflict. after that use the migration assistant to import your backed up data (user account only, no system/network settings, no applications) and then try the reproduce the issue again. if not then your user account is okay, if so then you have an issue with your user account, possibly a corrupted preference file or bad system or program setting.

[K-Dub]

AWESOME. This just happened.

Diagonal Bitmap on my 2007 Macbook Pro | Flickr - Photo Sharing!@@AMEPARAM@@http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5268/5603104823_860785e280_m.jpg@@AMEPARAM@@5603104823@ @AMEPARAM@@860785e280

Fuck.

[Iceman_2K]

looks like the lcd connection to the vid card is dying...

[K-Dub]

looks like the lcd connection to the vid card is dying...

Just got back from apple store. Mine isn't covered under the recall/support issue (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2753605).

49 months I've had my MBP.. why now! You were working just fine last night.

$500 for the logic board, including labour.

Should I do it, or buy the new MBP? Though it is the 1st gen of the new lightbolt/sandy bridge MBP's, I kind of want to wait till the 2nd gen. That or I get a refurb iMac, but they're due for an update come September when the new OS & cycle of product updates come out.. hm.

So if I do buy something new, I have this nice expensive paperweight here. Should I sell it off for cheap and let the buyer know they can fix it but for $500? ehhhh

[!MiKrofT]

Ebay or sell it off as parts. Logic boards are just too expensive to replace when its past warranty.

[K-Dub]

Up and running now. :confused:

Edit.. nevermind. Loading youtube made it go byebye.

[02em2]

Hey guys, a friend of mine asked me for advice but I am not a mac person. He has 2 questions:

is the 13.3" Macbook for $949 a good deal at FS (It has a $100 off promo now)? This is the Core 2 Duo version.

Also, can it run PhotoShop?I know it only has 2g ram but I saw NCIX is having a sale:
OCZ OCZ3M13332G 2GB 1X2GB DDR3-1333 CL9-9-9-24 1.5V 204PIN SODIMM Memory (http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58987&vpn=OCZ3M13332G&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology&promoid=1097) for 10 bucks so I am thinking 20 bucks for 2g is pretty cheap

the mac is going to be for his sister and I am sure she doesn't game

TIA

[Senna4ever]

It'll be fine for running Photoshop with 4GB, but the screen resolution of the 13" MBP's (1280x800) sucks. There won't be much space for the image and all of the palettes, unless she uses an external monitor or uses an iPad to dump all of the palettes to.

[K-Dub]

Hey all, selling off my old MBP for cheap.

Check craigslist post for details.
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[url]http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/sys/2373933381.html (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/sys/2373933381.html)

[gilly]

efff. my charger broke. the silver connector magnet detached from the cable. ima try to glue it together and see if they can replace it for me under apple warranty lol.

[skholla]

still under warranty? dont glue it, just bring it in and they will replace it.

if not under warranty still take it in, theres a chance that they might. the first design of the magsafe adapter was flawed, weak at the neck and would fray. its a serious fire and safety hazard, stress that point and hopefully they will help you out.

[skholla]

3rd party magsafe power adapters...

http://www.buybatteriesdirect.com/products/Apple-85W-MagSafe-Replacement-Power-Adapter-for-MacBook-Pro-13-15-and-17-Inch-Series-Laptops.html

[gilly]

^ k thanks. i just told them it fell off and they switched it for me no questions asked. love apple support.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Thinking of getting the 13inch 97 version of MBP. I mostly surf the web, watch TV and play games. Not planning on anything graphics intensive. I mostly play WoW and the odd RPG here and there such as Dragon Age. Currently in WoW I get 60fps on my desktop (most likely higher). Using AMD P2 X095 Black ed,8GB of Ram, GTX 460 1GB video card. Will the graphics be ok with the 13inch MBP?

I also want to to dual boot for Windows 7 since I need to run windows for some work I do and the programs is only for windows? So do I just pop the Windows 7 disc into the drive and let it install?

I also like to leave my desktop on to download movies and stuff sometimes overnight. That's one of the reason I haven't gotten a good laptop coz I don't want it break down from constanly being on lol.

Will it be Ok?

[PornMaster]

13" is fine for your needs, I use it to play sc2 sometimes :P

Installing windows is a breeze, it comes with 2 disc's you pop 1 disc in then windows 7 after that put in second disk DONE

[ddr]

i could play sc2 on my old 5450

i'd get the 15", screen's better too

[gilly]

13in may b a bit small to play games.

[Iceman_2K]

depends on what games - SC2 is alright, so is L4D

[ddr]

just came across this site when reading petapixel... seems quite informative with benchmarks and recommendations

http://macperformanceguide.com/

[LC21]

Do any of you guys use your MBP's to DJ?

[Iceman_2K]

I did. I've seen both MacBooks and MacBook pros being used.

[roastpuff]

Do any of you guys use your MBP's to DJ?

I know several people who do use MBP's to DJ/VJ.

[TOS'd]

Is there going to be another refresh of the mbp some time soon?

[Senna4ever]

Is there going to be another refresh of the mbp some time soon?

They just did one.

[Iceman_2K]

The Macbook Air should be the next one being refreshed. Kinda wish they would allow the Air to run the 64 bit kernel.

[TOS'd]

They just did one.

But that was so long ago!~

[skholla]

It was only 2 months ago!

http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/macbook-pro-early-2011-with-thunderbolt-hands-on/&category=classic&postPage=1
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[BrRsn]

Offtopic slightly,

But what can I do if I installed windows 7 on an imac, but I lost my OSX dvd? I've looked around and can't find the drivers for the mouse/isight/sound anywhere. I found them for the MBP but nothing else. I need this relatively quick (next 24 hours ideally) so is there anywhere I can download it? Pretty sure if I go apple store they'll have to order it, or does anyone know for sure? Thanks!
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[mrks]

Offtopic slightly,

But what can I do if I installed windows 7 on an imac, but I lost my OSX dvd? I've looked around and can't find the drivers for the mouse/isight/sound anywhere. I found them for the MBP but nothing else. I need this relatively quick (next 24 hours ideally) so is there anywhere I can download it? Pretty sure if I go apple store they'll have to order it, or does anyone know for sure? Thanks!
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Search for Bootcamp 3.0 on thepiratebay and then get the 3.1 and 3.2 updates from the Apple support site.

[Jmac]

Offtopic slightly,

But what can I do if I installed windows 7 on an imac, but I lost my OSX dvd? I've looked around and can't find the drivers for the mouse/isight/sound anywhere. I found them for the MBP but nothing else. I need this relatively quick (next 24 hours ideally) so is there anywhere I can download it? Pretty sure if I go apple store they'll have to order it, or does anyone know for sure? Thanks!
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228) The Drivers will be on the OS X Snow Leopard DVD. You can buy it for about $35 or download the ISO and burn it to a Dual Layer DVD.

... or just borrow it if you know anyone who has one.

[skholla]

Search for Bootcamp 3.0 on thepiratebay and then get the 3.1 and 3.2 updates from the Apple support site.

Yep this is what you need... First install 3.0 and then update...
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[ForbiddenX]

Hey guys,

Have a quick question for you about the latest Macbook Pros.

I'm currently using a 2008 Macbook and I'm starting to find that the latest programs (CS5 especially) is starting to run a lot slower. I'm barely able to edit any more pictures.

Would you guys say that upgrading to a newer Macbook Pro would be worth it? I'll mostly be using it for Photo editing, programming iOS apps, occasional gaming, and dual-booting windows7 for visual studios.

I'm hoping that a Macbook Pro would last me a lot longer than 3 years. But I'm happy that my Macbook lasted this long.

[Senna4ever]

The new MBP runs rings around my 2009 3.06Ghz Core 2 Duo 17" MBP. :(

[ddr]

this all depends on if you perform CPU intensive tasks. aside from the obvious 4gb ram upgrade in older machines if possible, a ssd will make it instantaneously faster. Lion's coming out in a bit, seems like a good opportunity to format the machine along with the aforementioned upgrades.

[.Renn.Sport]

Just installed Lion....
all the new functions are pretty worthless

[skholla]

So you think that all of these are useless? I demoed Lion for 20 minutes and liked the changes, the new user experience and convenience features...

Apple - OS X Lion - Learn about the top new features. (http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/)
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[ForbiddenX]

I'll be doing a lot more programming come september so I'll probably be going a lot more multitasking. CS5 does take up a lot of CPU as well.

I'm thinking of getting the 2.0Ghz 15" MBP, upgrading to the high resolution screen, and upgrade my ram to 8GB myself. Is the 2.2Ghz 15" MBP worth it? Seems like the video card is the only major thing added for a lot more money. My gaming would probably be done on my desktop anyways. Would it help at all if I were to do video editing? Or should I just stick to the 2.0Ghz one?

[Manic!]

I'll be doing a lot more programming come september so I'll probably be going a lot more multitasking. CS5 does take up a lot of CPU as well.

I'm thinking of getting the 2.0Ghz 15" MBP, upgrading to the high resolution screen, and upgrade my ram to 8GB myself. Is the 2.2Ghz 15" MBP worth it? Seems like the video card is the only major thing added for a lot more money. My gaming would probably be done on my desktop anyways. Would it help at all if I were to do video editing? Or should I just stick to the 2.0Ghz one?

CS5 uses GPU acceleration.

[BrRsn]

Just got a 15" Macbook Pro with the upgraded high def glossy screen for my bday :D Got the 2.0 ghz quadcore ... what case do you guys use? Contemplating going with the Speck hardshell or invisishield ... thoughts? Any other must have accessories you guys got? I got Office for free with it as well!

[Manic!]

Just got a 15" Macbook Pro with the upgraded high def glossy screen for my bday :D Got the 2.0 ghz quadcore ... what case do you guys use? Contemplating going with the Speck hardshell or invisishield ... thoughts? Any other must have accessories you guys got? I got Office for free with it as well!

You get a Mac and the first thing you install is a Microsoft product!!! So when you installing Windows 7.

[BrRsn]

You get a Mac and the first thing you install is a Microsoft product!!! So when you installing Windows 7.

I was thinking of dualbooting windows 7 but I'd rather not risk the fragmentation/slow down of my harddrive. I got plenty of windows computers at home, this is my first mac :)

Plus, you can't really beat office, open office blows!

[Manic!]

I was thinking of dualbooting windows 7 but I'd rather not risk the fragmentation/slow down of my harddrive. I got plenty of windows computers at home, this is my first mac :)

Plus, you can't really beat office, open office blows!

Yes we all know Microsoft rules!!!

:fullofwin:

[Iceman_2K]

Google docs man.....don't even bother installing anything like office anymore.

[Tim Budong]

Google Docs is useful, but becuz the rest of the world hasn't caught up. MSword is still a need.
What has changed is more and more use of inDesign to create presentations. Thats impressive.

regardless...

for those with Moshi Clearguard. How often do you clean it and how do you clean it

I seem to clean it once a month with HOT water and soap..its losing its affect

[WHEYsted]

Just recently got the new 11" air. What is the best word processor you guys would recommend for school? I downloaded Pages and I think its pretty good, but whats the best?

[hypercube]

Just recently got the new 11" air. What is the best word processor you guys would recommend for school? I downloaded Pages and I think its pretty good, but whats the best?

Cant go wrong with open office

[bcedhk]

pages is good. I find open office to mess up certain heading formats when transfered to MS office/pages.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Sigh I wanted to get a MBP so bad! The only thing that's holding me back is the fact that I will use to play some games like WoW and TF2 so MBP might not be able to handle it. Also I watch a lot of movies and use Torrent so I am 100% sure if there is a torrnet program made for MBP and does VLC run on MBP ><

[ddr]

Sigh I wanted to get a MBP so bad! The only thing that's holding me back is the fact that I will use to play some games like WoW and TF2 so MBP might not be able to handle it. Also I watch a lot of movies and use Torrent so I am 100% sure if there is a torrnet program made for MBP and does VLC run on MBP ><

i'm quite confident any of the macs at the moment can handle all your above requests. is WoW or TF2 even that demanding? or are you running them at extreme settings?

i use utorrent and vlc in OSX.

for those with Moshi Clearguard. How often do you clean it and how do you clean it

I seem to clean it once a month with HOT water and soap..its losing its affect

i've given up on cleaning it since it has this powdery or not completely and uniformly translucent (i know it's not 100% transparent) texture on the inside. and cause my unibody is 2 yrs old now and I just want to take off the moshi screen and kb guards and drop a SSD in it.

[Manic!]

Just recently got the new 11" air. What is the best word processor you guys would recommend for school? I downloaded Pages and I think its pretty good, but whats the best?

Word.

[JesseBlue]

open office or pages since you already have that....stop the thinking of going back to word just because youre used to it...

[Tim Budong]

Sigh I wanted to get a MBP so bad! The only thing that's holding me back is the fact that I will use to play some games like WoW and TF2 so MBP might not be able to handle it. Also I watch a lot of movies and use Torrent so I am 100% sure if there is a torrnet program made for MBP and does VLC run on MBP ><

I use to run wow on my 2008 mbp window mode on osx no problem. Had to run TF2 and L4D on Windows since it wasn't compatible then. I can run SC2 and all the above listed natively on OSX no problem on my 2011 i7 13in MBP

I use transmission for torrents. light and stable
VLC runs just fine on a mac, doesnt take too much to handle video playback anyways!

iTunes on the other hand..is fucking magnificent on a mac haha

[Senna4ever]

Just recently got the new 11" air. What is the best word processor you guys would recommend for school? I downloaded Pages and I think its pretty good, but whats the best?
I use Open Office for personal and business. I've never had a issues with formatting with the word processor, but there are the rare times when the spreadsheets look gimpy when exported to PDF. Can't really complain though as it's a really good office suite for the price! The one thing Open Office will not do are macros.

Also, there is Neo Office which seems to be really good too - also free.

[Senna4ever]

Sigh I wanted to get a MBP so bad! The only thing that's holding me back is the fact that I will use to play some games like WoW and TF2 so MBP might not be able to handle it. Also I watch a lot of movies and use Torrent so I am 100% sure if there is a torrnet program made for MBP and does VLC run on MBP ><

The current MBP will handle everything you throw at it - don't worry. For torrents, I use Vuze - some say that it's a resource hog, but I've never had any problems with it. VLC runs on a MBP with no issues at all.

My MBP is a late 2009 17" 3.06Ghz upgraded with 8GB RAM & 7200 rpm HDD, and I've had no issues running Vuze and working on 21MP RAW image files in Lightroom3 & Photoshop CS5 (and several Firefox tabs open) simultaneously. I do have an external Firewire800 scratch disk for Photoshop though.

[Iceman_2K]

seriously, TF2 and WoW run on the macbook air with no problems, let alone running it on the macbook pro.

[skholla]

LibreOffice is better than OpenOffice, Office 2011 is the way to go.

Transmission is better than Vuze, the web interface is nice.

Perian is a Quicktime plugin with all of the codecs you need.

Flip4Mac is a Quicktime plugin to play WMV.

VLC as always is great.

iTunes is a great music library, but I prefer using a small stand alone player to listen to music that is NOT yet part of my iTunes library. Vox is a simple lightweight player.

[LiquidTurbo]

Waiting on the new Macbook Pros....

[Hehe]

I personally like Movist better than VLC. I switched after some friend recommended me (I was having problem playing some pr0n. :D)... and never looked back.

[hiGh_RollA]

Waiting on the new Macbook Pros....

do you know when they come out?

[skholla]

Waiting on the new Macbook Pros....

Best best would be in about 60 days... this would allow them to sell the current model for back to school and release a new model before the christmas rush.

Mac Buyer's Guide: Know When to Buy Your Mac, iPod or iPhone (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro)

[BrRsn]

Waiting on the new Macbook Pros....

I kinda wish I waited too, but I figured what the hell. It's gonna be a few years before a quadcore i7 is too slow to run stuff. Or atleast, that's what I keep telling myself :okay:

[ddr]

anyone have recommendations on getting a replacement battery for a mpb (2.4Ghz/ATI-gen)? online/local? it's pretty old but my friend just put a SSD in it and he wants to keep using it minus shelling out at the Apple store.

[Tim Budong]

anyone have recommendations on getting a replacement battery for a mpb (2.4Ghz/ATI-gen)? online/local? it's pretty old but my friend just put a SSD in it and he wants to keep using it minus shelling out at the Apple store.

check simply computing, they have batteries
its not apple OEM, but its still good

[ddr]

he got one from intelligentbatteries.ca yesterday (local). the battery can't establish contact until you apply pressure. seemed unreliable so he's returning it. i'll tell him about simply computing thnx.

[mrks]

he got one from intelligentbatteries.ca yesterday (local). the battery can't establish contact until you apply pressure. seemed unreliable so he's returning it. i'll tell him about simply computing thnx.

I've used a few "OEM/aftermarket" batteries and they have all been disappointing.
The problems are as follows:

1. The charge doesn't last as long as an original battery.
2. The life of the battery decreases very fast. After 1 year you lose 50% of max charge.
3. The fit and finish are horrible. On an older white macbook the foot of the battery was too tall, so it would cause a wobble.

I only buy original batteries for my notebooks. Especially if it's my primary or work related computer. You really get what you pay for.

[Szeto]

anyone switched from a PC to a Mac? If so, why and what do you like about the Mac.

[Iceman_2K]

things work.....like, the way they're supposed to. This is coming from someone who's been a Windows user since 3.0 days and flirted with BSD linux for a while.

[Jmac]

I personally find they don't work how I like them to and a lot of programs I use are either way better on Windows (i.e. Excel, some of my games) or simply don't work on a Mac (many of my games, my cabinet design software, etc). Meanwhile, my SO likes the Macs better for what she does, which is primarily graphic design, web design, photo-editing, and basic internet use. She uses the two Macs, I use the three PCs ... It's a personal preference thing ...

And, to anyone who tells you Excel is the same on a Mac as it is on a PC, laugh in their face for me, please. Nowhere near the same number or level of functions, no macro support, argument limitations, no PivotTables/Charts, etc. It's a fucking nightmare working with Excel for Mac unless all you're using it for is extremely basic spreadsheets (in which case, use OpenOffice for free. It's just as shitty, but at least it doesn't cost you anything). I've had to completely redo some of my spreadsheets from scratch because they were so broken when loading into Office for Mac 2008/2011, yet worked perfectly in Office 2007/2010.

[PornMaster]

I like the mac because its an absolute beast for school,
reading, studying, going through notes etc.

and the upside it doesnt support any of the games I like so I cant get distracted lol