[_Hotsauce_]

Massive riots going on in Egypt right now, Government has called in the Military to reinforce the Cops, 0 tolerance for protesters. Curfew in affect, they've also disconnected all forms of Internet for the country, from small stores to Major Egyptian banks. Also, they've shut off the entire Cell Network in the country.

Live stream - http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/


Info


http://www.denverpost.com/ci_17225003

Boston Big Picture

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[TheNewGirl]

I've been following this story. The people in Egypt fear that once internet ties are cut (which they are now) the government will turn to more lethal forms of crowd control. :(

[RacePace]

It's just started in Jordan as well, and yesterday I saw Yemen was getting into it. Shit is getting real all across the Arab world

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/2011128125157509196.html

[TheNewGirl]

It's just started in Jordan as well, and yesterday I saw Yemen was getting into it. Shit is getting real all across the Arab world

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/2011128125157509196.html

Something's going on in Lebanon too though it's not getting any media coverage.

[Tegra_Devil]

so why are there protests?

[El Bastardo]

Because Ra is not pleased

[gdoh]

holy fuck some1 plz give me a quick update

[Jsunu]

so why are there protests?

In Egypt it is a result of the growing unrest of their current President and his 30 Year rule and the fact that he is grooming his son to succeed him.

[TheNewGirl]

In both Egypt and Jordon there's been rapid inflation to the point where people can't even afford to buy bread. This is sort of the straw that broke the camel's back in Egypt where they haven't had any genuine democracy for a long time (despite having a "President") and the people of the country have had enough.

In Jordon they've like wise believe the government abuses of their funds. Their debt's rapidly escalated and their inflation rates have gone up over 6%, demanding their PM steps down. Their protests aren't so violent though they have shut down a few cities.

The success of the revolts in Tunisia have really been inspiring to a lot of these countries that have long been dissatisfied with their leadership but not believed that unarmed citizens could do anything to out them.

Am I the only one who's really annoyed with Obama for telling these people not to revolt against their dictators?

[RacePace]

Am I the only one who's really annoyed with Obama for telling these people not to revolt against their dictators?

he's screwed no matter what he says really

[Jsunu]

In both Egypt and Jordon there's been rapid inflation to the point where people can't even afford to buy bread. This is sort of the straw that broke the camel's back in Egypt where they haven't had any genuine democracy for a long time (despite having a "President") and the people of the country have had enough.

In Jordon they've like wise believe the government abuses of their funds. Their debt's rapidly escalated and their inflation rates have gone up over 6%, demanding their PM steps down. Their protests aren't so violent though they have shut down a few cities.

The success of the revolts in Tunisia have really been inspiring to a lot of these countries that have long been dissatisfied with their leadership but not believed that unarmed citizens could do anything to out them.

Am I the only one who's really annoyed with Obama for telling these people not to revolt against their dictators?

Obama in my opinion, would not promote civil unrest in world politics but would be basically lambasted whatever he would say.

[El Bastardo]

Am I the only one who's really annoyed with Obama for telling these people not to revolt against their dictators?


He knows its a one-way ticket to an asskicking by the police and army. Hes trying to preserve life here.

[TheNewGirl]

It's just that the US is all proud of their own violent revolution but condemns anyone else who does the same. In fact their whole constitutional right to bear arms is so that the people have the power to rise up against the government should they choose to (not that that part gets talked about much).

I'd be totally cool with Canada going 'Now come on everyone lets sit down and talk this out'. But it seems extremely hypocritical from the States.

That said... they're heavily in bed with and even helped install some of the involved leaders and rely on stability in these countries for their aid to the US's other military efforts in the middle east. But still.

[Jsunu]

It's just that the US is all proud of their own violent revolution but condemns anyone else who does the same. In fact their whole constitutional right to bear arms is so that the people have the power to rise up against the government should they choose to (not that that part gets talked about much).

I'd be totally cool with Canada going 'Now come on everyone lets sit down and talk this out'. But it seems extremely hypocritical from the States.

That said... they're heavily in bed with and even helped install some of the involved leaders and rely on stability in these countries for their aid to the US's other military efforts in the middle east. But still.

I could see why it would be the US adminstration's best interest to keep Mubarak in power. Who knows who would take power once his government is ousted, given that Egypt is one of the US's closes Arab ally. But then again this just my tinfoil hat theory out there.

[El Bastardo]

It's just that the US is all proud of their own violent revolution but condemns anyone else who does the same. In fact their whole constitutional right to bear arms is so that the people have the power to rise up against the government should they choose to (not that that part gets talked about much).



Wait.. what? What does this have to do with anything? Its like saying that Prussia told the colonies not to protest the tea tax. What right do they have to say anything about another country's business?

[TheNewGirl]

I could see why it would be the US adminstration's best interest to keep Mubarak in power. Who knows who would take power once his government is ousted, given that Egypt is one of the US's closes Arab ally. But then again this just my tinfoil hat theory out there.

Well when it comes to speculating the motives of the US government it's ALL tinfoil hat theories isn't it?

Egypt is vital though to US operations in the Arab world and you're very right, who ever takes the reigns next could be polarized on the Anti-Western end of the spectrum which would be very problematic not only for the US but for Europe and pretty much everyone as well.

[RacePace]

I can't watch the stream at work, but from another forum, I'm hearing the army is joining the protesters, true?

[gdoh]

^ive been listening to it for a while now and i havnt heard anything like that. could be wrong tho

[RacePace]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=619190303&posted=1#post619190303

It's official, the army are pro-protest. Letting the cars pass by and shaking hands with protestors.

Egypt as we know it is fukd.

Holy sh!t it seems like the army are supporting the protest? On the Al Jazeera one of the reporters is saying that their are tanks going through the street with soldiers coming out and shaking hands with the protesters and the protesters are cheering on the military vehicles.

holy fuuuuuuuuuuu

[RacePace]

ARMY and POLICE fighting each other in Cairo

majority of army now with protestors in the city

is this real life??

more holy fuuuuuu

[TheNewGirl]

Yeah BBC has some pictures of protesting women kissing soldiers, and soldiers using their riot shields to protect the protesters. But the live coverage that they're posting makes it look like this isn't across the board but just in little pockets but it's kinda muddled.

BBC has a half decent summery of what's at stake from an international perspective as well:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12311889

[tiger_handheld]

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[gdoh]

i dont think they are really joining them i just think they are trying to reason with them so it doesnt have to turn into a bloodbath.

just my thoughts

[Hondaracer]

Living in Canada

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__FIaozgXAJA/SnXYz_7ZJLI/AAAAAAAAAAw/A5l5raEaXnM/s1600/FEELS%2BGOOD%2BMAN%2BDOG%2BTEXT.jpg
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[LiquidTurbo]

Egypt - Evidence of torture and repression by Mubarak´s Police
http://wikileaks.ch/Evidence-of-torture-and-repression.html

[RacePace]

1804: There are unconfirmed reports of army personnel clashing with police in Cairo, according to al-Jazeera TV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

[LiquidTurbo]

Damn.
http://i.imgur.com/amlLD.jpg

[CorneringArtist]

Holy shit...it's going south pretty quick.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

No kidding, they've stormed the Egyptian TV building and are destroying equipment.

[InvisibleSoul]

Army siding with the protesters? Crazy sauce!

[RacePace]

Early rumors of Mubarak (Egyptian president) fleeing Egypt

[adambomb]

Wow, i'm completely speechless from looking at the pics. Its hard to imagine sometimes as we look out our windows and complain about the rain or other trivial nimbyism in BC. Somewhere else in this world, under the same sun, shit is getting real. :(


News reports are saying it is the Egyptian police that are joining forces with protesters to combat the Egyptian military. But looking at the latest pic that LiquidTurbo has posted showing the city before nightfall. I wouldn't be surprised if by sunrise, more Egyptians are on the same side. :woot2:

[twitchyzero]

yeap..shit like this makes me appreciate living in Canada

[El Bastardo]

Its hard to imagine sometimes as we look out our windows and complain about the rain or other trivial nimbyism in BC. Somewhere else in this world, under the same sun, shit is getting real. :(




But... but... there are GHOSTS.... at UBC!

[Mr.C]

Interesting to see. Maybe the US should have just supported a 'revolution' in another country instead of sending in the troops to Iraq.

If I was Iran now, I'd be worried. Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, maybe Lebanon? People are just tired of the bullshit, I guess.

[CP.AR]

How long until the Pyramids are torched?

Really though, I THINK if it goes too down south it WILL happen.... Well not torched specifically since it's slabs of rock, but vandalism... destruction etc...

[RacePace]

How long until the Pyramids are torched?

Really though, I THINK if it goes too down south it WILL happen.... Well not torched specifically since it's slabs of rock, but vandalism... destruction etc...

Why would they do that? The Pyramids are part of their culture and heritage. The people aren't batshit insane, they just want a change of government

[El Bastardo]

How long until the Pyramids are torched?

Really though, I THINK if it goes too down south it WILL happen.... Well not torched specifically since it's slabs of rock, but vandalism... destruction etc...



The Pyramids don't symbolize what they're protesting. They're a vital source of income in the form of tourist dollars.

I can't imagine them torching the Pyramids. Maybe in the alternate Fringe universe, but not ours.


Also,
http://bcove.me/bui97br5

[gdoh]

^agree with evilbroscientist

if anything happend to the pyramids tho it would be a shame

[TheNewGirl]

The pyramids are also way way far away from where these events are happening in the cities.

[Greenstoner]

Pharaoh is mad

[NJMR]

The pyramids are also way way far away from where these events are happening in the cities.

not to mention they are extremely huge and taking them apart or vandalising makes no sense.


anyways, this is crazy, government trying to control internet what the fuck we cant let this happen as a people of the world we cant let them control us.

[LiquidTurbo]

So what would you do if your government cut off all your internet (including RS of course), and deactivated all your cell phones? Would you join the riots in the streets?

[AzNightmare]

Army vs Police?? wtf

I feel sheltered but so happy there isn't crazy things happening in Canada.

[LiquidTurbo]

^ at the end of the day I'd be glad to have the army on my side vs the police.

[E-40six]

http://sukari89.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/internet-serious-business-cat.jpg

[dachinesedude]

well arent the army and police still citizens of the country? im sure some of them hate the president just as much as the others, so might as well just protest with them, the president without the army and police on his side is gg for him

[dinamix]

Citizens overpowering government = win

I'm jelous ..I wish we could of done this in Canada to stop hst , gas tax and school tuition raises.

But this is canada where everyone is pussy.
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[Greenstoner]

Citizens overpowering government = win

I'm jelous ..I wish we could of done this in Canada to stop hst , gas tax and school tuition raises.

But this is canada where everyone is pussy.
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i kinda of agree on your comment. the govt just do whatever they want and we gotta deal with it

[Jsunu]

Citizens overpowering government = win

I'm jelous ..I wish we could of done this in Canada to stop hst , gas tax and school tuition raises.

But this is canada where everyone is pussy.
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I wouldn't say we are pussies, more like those issues are not serious enough to warrant serious mass protests like those in Egypt.

HST is nothing compared to the crippling inflation and 40% poverty + Dictatorship rule for 30 years.

i kinda of agree on your comment. the govt just do whatever they want and we gotta deal with it

I am not trying to be a Canadian Gov't appologist here but we have it good. We still get to elect officials (from a select pool mind you) and public opinion can make changes. In these countries being affected, any protest is quickly and brutually oppressed. Eventually this boils over and you get what you see in these countries, people tired of the constant oppression and the stagnation of leadership.

[twitchyzero]

Citizens overpowering government = win

I'm jelous ..I wish we could of done this in Canada to stop hst , gas tax and school tuition raises.

But this is canada where everyone is pussy.
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you are more than welcome to move there.

[strykn]

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/crude%20oil%20-%20electronic

only positive thing out of this ):, fucking Egypt.

[dinamix]

I wouldn't say we are pussies, more like those issues are not serious enough to warrant serious mass protests like those in Egypt.

HST is nothing compared to the crippling inflation and 40% poverty + Dictatorship rule for 30 years.

Good point I guess. But it's only a matter of time til that happens here.
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[dinamix]

you are more than welcome to move there.

Why not . Egypt is a beautiful country. U watch too much CNN.
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[murd0c]

Why not . Egypt is a beautiful country. U watch too much CNN.
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I know a number of people that have been there and with the 50deg temp and being stoned in the middle of the streets I don't know if I would want to live there.

I have a good friend that has been all around the world working from china,india,egypt,brazil months at a time and he said he wouldn't never live there or he doesn't want to go back its so horrible
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[Ch28]

Mubarak's speech summed up


I UNDERSTAND YOU

I UNDERSTAND YOU HATE ME

WHICH IS WHY EVERYONE AROUND ME WILL BE GONE TOMORROW

PROBLEM EGYPT?

[Arash]

World peace could start with Obama setting up a Fox exclusive of an Arab dictators hanging.

[taylor192]

Am I the only one who's really annoyed with Obama for telling these people not to revolt against their dictators?
Egypt is a strategic ally that the US needs, and a new government might mean less ties in the middle east.

Those who think Obama is being nice to prevent deaths are foolish, this is political.

[taylor192]

^ at the end of the day I'd be glad to have the army on my side vs the police.

Not this army. Read about the Egyptian army and its impact in politics, and then think of what happens when the president finally steps down. Coup.

[taylor192]

Why not . Egypt is a beautiful country. U watch too much CNN.
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You watch too much TV.

Egypt outside of the tourist centres is not a nice place to live.

[dinamix]

You watch too much TV.

Egypt outside of the tourist centres is not a nice place to live.

Winnipeg and port alberni arent nice places to live in either.
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[Berzerker]

^^ That is the 3rd consecutive post of yours I have facepalmed... congrats.

Berz out.

[Jsunu]

Winnipeg and port alberni arent nice places to live in either.
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Winnipeg/Port Albernia vs. Egypt now?

These all seem like erronious comparisons.

[EmperorIS]

OH YEAH!?!?!

LIVE HERE !

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[cheapskate]

It's just that the US is all proud of their own violent revolution but condemns anyone else who does the same.

It's because it is precisely the American's and other Western nations that have been propping up these oppressive regimes for the benefit of Western corporations and elites. They (the American/Western governments) have everything to lose.

The archetypical case is Iran. In the 1950's a democratically elected and progressive leader was elected who used his powers to nationalize the oilfields. At the time, 90+ % of the profits from oil went to British Petroleum while the Iranians at home starved. For Prime Minister Mossedegh, this was thoroughly unacceptable and went to great lengths to negotiate a fairer deal with the British. The British refused to compromise so Mossedegh kicked them out (similar events has taken place recently in Venezuela). The British revolted by tasking the American CIA to covertly overthrow Iran's DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government and imposed one of the most oppressive regimes in Iranian history that is the Shah. After decades of violent oppression, the Mullah's overthrew the American puppet regime.

Today, Iran (and Iraq before the invasion) is condemned at every opportunity because they are the only Middle Eastern state that refuses to submit to American neo-colonialsm.

[Psykopathik]

zerrrrgggg russsshhhhhhh..........

[strykn]

# 6:37p

Obama: U.S. will stand up for rights of Egyptians
# 8c077dc4-5ad2-4f73-b9c3-a381c5fece05:2714786:36p

Obama says protesters should refrain from violence
# 8c077dc4-5ad2-4f73-b9c3-a381c5fece05:2714776:35p

Obama told Mubarak he must keep reform promise
# 8c077dc4-5ad2-4f73-b9c3-a381c5fece05:2714766:35p

Obama says spoke to Mubarak on telephone
# 8c077dc4-5ad2-4f73-b9c3-a381c5fece05:2714756:34p

Obama says there must be reform in Egypt
# 8c077dc4-5ad2-4f73-b9c3-a381c5fece05:2714746:34p

Obama says Egypt should restore Internet access

[Manic!]

Winnipeg and port alberni arent nice places to live in either.
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Whats wrong with Port?

[Mananetwork]

Why are people bringing up the pyramids? The pyramids have nothing to do with Politics! They will not get vandalized!

This is about the citizens, the country and who runs it. The citizens are sick of their president and will not have his son step into power for another 30years.
I'm in full support of the citizens and hope they get what they deserve! A voice!

[deep87]

^Its egypt so they talk about the only thing they know about egypt.

Serious hypathetical question though; If the Canadian government were to ever implement measures as extreme as Egypt do you think Canadian citizens would revolt like this?

Reasons I ask is
a) We do have a different mindset, not to say we are pussies but violence is sporadic/isolated to certain areas/people and I believe the prevailing consensus is that people believe violence is never right
b) Geographically it would be much harder to get people together, especially if the internet was blocked like in Egypt

hopefully we'll never have to find out though

[TRDood]

Just throwing it out here. How does this compare to North Korea? Their situation is somewhat similar to Egypt.
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[The7even]

^Its egypt so they talk about the only thing they know about egypt.

Serious hypathetical question though; If the Canadian government were to ever implement measures as extreme as Egypt do you think Canadian citizens would revolt like this?

Reasons I ask is
a) We do have a different mindset, not to say we are pussies but violence is sporadic/isolated to certain areas/people and I believe the prevailing consensus is that people believe violence is never right
b) Geographically it would be much harder to get people together, especially if the internet was blocked like in Egypt

hopefully we'll never have to find out though


Dude, you have no idea what people are capable of. Just because right now we're living comfortably, everything is a constant struggle, such is life. Any moment things could change and your freedoms could be challenged. And you bet your ass that people would resort to violence. We would resort to terrorism and blowing our selves up for our beliefs too, don't kid your self, we would do the same things that the terrorists do because we would have a way of justifying it all and we wouldn't stop until we're free.

[deep87]

blowing ourselves up for our beliefs? I hardly think so.
willing to risk our lives because its better than living with current conditions, ya I can see that.
Would be easier if guns were more available. Hell lots of people dont even vote so I guess we would have to get to the brink before we see people moved to action.

[midnight_r]

Citizens overpowering government = win

I'm jelous ..I wish we could of done this in Canada to stop hst , gas tax and school tuition raises.

But this is canada where everyone is pussy.
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this man speaks the truth...sadly...:speechless:

I simply love the fact I live in greatest country in the world. Thing is...people here dont realize what solidarity is...and how we can work together for the better future.
I feel like we have to work on->
- cutting annual taxes,(forget HST fight; its not really a big problem: do some research; we all benefit from Harmonized tax)
- lowering gas prices,
- approving unlimited internet bandwidth !!

Go Canada! we need real democracy here; not (what I call) `socialistic-democracy` government we currently have to deal with... =(

and good luck to all Egyptians in the M.E., they must succeed.

[The7even]

blowing ourselves up for our beliefs? I hardly think so.


To be free. The belief that every man should be free, if that was all taken away, you're saying we wouldn't resort to all that I've mentioned?

[El Bastardo]

I feel like we have to work on->
- cutting annual taxes,(forget HST fight; its not really a big problem: do some research; we all benefit from Harmonized tax)
- lowering gas prices,
- approving unlimited internet bandwidth !!

Go Canada! we need real democracy here; not (what I call) `socialistic-democracy` government we currently have to deal with... =(




.......wtf? You're a freshman in college aren't you?

[Kamui712]

pictures

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/28/201112814112158112_8.jpg
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/25/2011125185345985738_8.jpg
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/25/2011125185226466833_8.jpg
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/28/201112813644772621_8.jpg
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/28/2011128204515463811_8.jpg
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/28/2011128204344678954_8.jpg


more here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/photo_galleries/africa/2011125192646189116.html

[StylinRed]

wow things really went south quickly

that whole region is in unrest atm bad news for Israel too i guess since Egypt and Mubarak was their bitch

Greece is also facing riots/strikes/etc, Spain is in some unrest

Turkey seems to be the only safe bet if you were looking at a vacation in the Mediterranean


Hopefully they can get Mubarak out although it seems like he's going to be staying




Also what may have been lost in the news because of all this, Nelson Mandela is looking bad atm

[Culverin]

Maybe this is a dumb question.

But ...
I kind of want the people to win.

What happens if the people win?

[StylinRed]

Maybe this is a dumb question.

But ...
I kind of want the people to win.

What happens if the people win?

elections and then the USA and Israel make sure the guy they support wins Mubarak2 arises round 2 begins

[Snugglez]

To
thenewgirl and other people, thinking the US should get involved.

Why would the US or any other country get involved in a domestic affair? Is any other country getting hurt? Invading, and helping out would be devastating. Ruining a country's sovereignty and hurting their government's reputation would not get them anywhere.

[Snugglez]

Just throwing it out here. How does this compare to North Korea? Their situation is somewhat similar to Egypt.
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Their situation is not even close to Egypt. People in North Korea are kept in the dark and are cut off from the outside world.

[Snugglez]

Egypt is a strategic ally that the US needs, and a new government might mean less ties in the middle east.

Those who think Obama is being nice to prevent deaths are foolish, this is political.

No they are not. State Sovereignty > Everything else. Obama invades Egypt,

UN SECURITY COUNCIL ANYONE?

[skyxx]

Time to buy some more USD......

[StylinRed]

apparently everything is back to normal now (its 8am in egypt) according to al-jazeera

at least 20 dead and over a thousand injured



about artifact concerns the national museum is next to the NDP headquarters that was set on fire (and is still burning)


Internet and cells are stil down

[02em2]

A very touching video about the Egypt protest. Listen to the man at 45 secs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThvBJMzmSZI&feature=player_embedded#

I got a feeling that speech is going to be one that will be often quoted through the ages

[q0192837465]

The government thru its policies virtually had taken the people's livelihoods away. It doesn't really matter what country it is, if the majority of the people can't feed their family, u bet they will revolt. Canadians arent pussies. We have it good here and the bullshit that the government throws at us r peanuts compared to what's going on in the Arab countries now. If one day our PM made it so that we can no longer feed ourselves, same thing will happen here.
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[CP.AR]

So basically he forced his entire government to resign.
Isn't that just showing his country exactly what they are protesting about? his absolute dominance in the politics of the country.

I don't really see a point in what he did other than keeping his place, but ultimately taking the problem further... anybody have another view they care to share?

[The_AK]

Their form of "democracy" sounds more like a dictatorship. Hope for the best for the people of Egypt.

on another a lighter note, someone on twitter:
"No internet access in Cairo- Now the country is just called Gypt."

[Manic!]

Internet is not completely down. There are ways to get around the block like dial up. Basically using a phone modem and connecting to ISP in an another country.

[TRDood]

Internet is not completely down. There are ways to get around the block like dial up. Basically using a phone modem and connecting to ISP in an another country.

I thought the phone network is down too, no?

[Vansterdam]

imagine the riot canada would have if they cut our internet lol

[StylinRed]

I thought the phone network is down too, no?

they are

cell network is overloaded and land lines are like @ their limits according to al-jazeera its that way even today

although there are no riots today so far everyone seems to have cooled down

[MK.Dub]

I thought the phone network is down too, no?

Cell phone towers were shut off (I am getting word that's coming back shortly - although Internet will remain offline). Land lines are still available, although they are intermittent and sometimes lines get crossed, but it just takes a few tries.

I just want to clear a few things said in this thread.

- The Pyramids has nothing to do with what is going on. This about the freedom of the people. Almost 60 million people are struggling to put food on the table and are NOW living below the poverty line.

- deep87 Saying people blowing themselves up for their beliefs. Also false, this is not about religion, this is about people's living conditions and what they have suffered in the last three decades.

- Military VS. Police ... People of Egypt are abused and tortured daily by the police and we've always been afraid of standing up to them. Until now. The police forces are under the control of Muburak - And that is why the protesters were more respectful to the presence of the military during these protests.

- "Canada is pussy" - again that is false. If the people here in Vancouver were ever treated the way Egyptians have been treated for 28 years - the same uproar would arise on the downtown streets and all over.

- "Egypt outside of the tourist centres is not a nice place to live." Not anymore it is not. I was born and raised in Cairo and have lived in Alexandria as well. When I got the opportunity to move here, I took it in a heart beat. Living conditions were tough 13 years ago, and it's gotten plenty worse since then.

This day ahead of us will be the most important day yet - the people can't stand down now and must keep on pushing forward. Even with the threats of arrests and violence that the government is hinting at. This is now or never for us to bring down this regime.

[LiquidTurbo]

they are

cell network is overloaded and land lines are like @ their limits according to al-jazeera its that way even today

although there are no riots today so far everyone seems to have cooled down



No riots? ^ source?

[StylinRed]

it was on the al-jazeera live feed they were showing cairo at 8am local time and they were saying/showing how everything was back to normal this was 3hrs ago

[MK.Dub]

^ That is also not true. Riots have been happening all morning.

Heavily in Tahrir Square where shots have already been fired.

[StylinRed]

watching the live feed now

yeah they're saying there are a few hundred chanting protesters (but nothing lik friday)


also there are confirmed at least 53 deaths total from alexandria, cairo, suez

[danizer]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2717/loldrake.jpg

[LiquidTurbo]

People have to sleep, they can't riot 24/7. When daybreaks, they will be out in the streets again, in fact they are already out in the streets. So not true when you say there are no riots today, when the day has just started over there...

[StylinRed]

lol are you arguing semantics

of course the day just started there... that's why i said "SO FAR"


and the message i posted before it

apparently everything is back to normal now (its 8am in egypt) according to al-jazeera

[l2_narain]

it's 12:15pm there

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak apparently resign..


http://twitter.com/cnni/egypt/

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/mubarak-i-asked-cabinet-resign-0

[EmperorIS]

the government resigned
not him

[l2_narain]

Sorry, can't read.

[mr_chin]

Wow, it would take years and a lot of funding to rebuild egypt now. I think this is not the revolution for only egypt, but every third world country will start to change. I'm all for a revolution in these countries.

[taylor192]

No they are not. State Sovereignty > Everything else. Obama invades Egypt,

UN SECURITY COUNCIL ANYONE?
For someone with 3 posts you sure are combative - and wrong. Moderators, is this a troll account?

For the record, yes they are. The US has ties to Egypt it does not want to lose.

[Carl Johnson]

" Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. " - George Orwell.

[Hondaracer]

20 years the entire middle-east will be one Islam state

bad news for errrbody

[Jermyzy]

Why would they do that? The Pyramids are part of their culture and heritage. The people aren't batshit insane, they just want a change of government

Well apparently they broke into the museum and destroyed a couple of mummies at least lol

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/looters-destroy-mummies-egyptian-museum-official-20110129-055757-814.html

[TheKingdom2000]

Citizens overpowering government = win

I'm jelous ..I wish we could of done this in Canada to stop hst , gas tax and school tuition raises.

But this is canada where everyone is pussy.
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First of all give HST a chance. Understand what it is. Do some research. Don't make ignorant comments.

Second, as for the gas tax. It makes total sense to have it. Why should people who don't drive have to pay for people who do? If you're referring to BC's high gas prices talk to the owners of the gas stations. They are the ones who work together to 'set' the prices.

3rd - it sucks but, we live in a high maintenance province. So some services need to be paid for.

I don't really understand why you would want to do this here in BC. I don't want tanks and army in our streets. That's crazy
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[LiquidTurbo]

American youth news awareness fail:

http://twitter.com/samanthaacooper/status/31505630686609409

[MindBomber]

CNN:

Police have left the streets and citizens are forming militias to defend their communities against looters and excessive violence.

[freakshow]

Moderators, is this a troll account?Not that I can tell..

[Nightwalker]

There were reports today of police in plainclothes looting and vandalizing. Possibly in an attempt to make people feel like only the police force could protect them, cause fear. Or to discredit the protesters.

[El Bastardo]

I don't really understand why you would want to do this here in BC. I don't want tanks and army in our streets. That's crazy




The tanks are there to protect our pyramids

[quasi]

First of all give HST a chance. Understand what it is. Do some research. Don't make ignorant comments.

Second, as for the gas tax. It makes total sense to have it. Why should people who don't drive have to pay for people who do? If you're referring to BC's high gas prices talk to the owners of the gas stations. They are the ones who work together to 'set' the prices.


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I agree with the HST thing. To play devils advocate on your second point why should people who drive subsidize public transit if they don't use it? I mean making the above argument I guess you would also have to argue that it shouldn't be subsidized at all and should be 100% user funded? Transit is heavily subsidized from a lot of places and by shit loads of people who don't use it, ever.

Not saying I agree with this point but using that logic it would only make sense right?

[q0192837465]

I agree with the HST thing. To play devils advocate on your second point why should people who drive subsidize public transit if they don't use it? I mean making the above argument I guess you would also have to argue that it shouldn't be subsidized at all and should be 100% user funded? Transit is heavily subsidized from a lot of places and by shit loads of people who don't use it, ever.

Not saying I agree with this point but using that logic it would only make sense right?

Not exactly. You have to realize that public transportation is a necessity while driving is a luxury. It makes absolute sense to tax luxuries to subsidize necessities.

Think about it, if public transit disappears, the whole city will collapse. But if people can't drive, big deal, they survive.
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[m!chael]

I agree with the HST thing. To play devils advocate on your second point why should people who drive subsidize public transit if they don't use it? I mean making the above argument I guess you would also have to argue that it shouldn't be subsidized at all and should be 100% user funded? Transit is heavily subsidized from a lot of places and by shit loads of people who don't use it, ever.

Not saying I agree with this point but using that logic it would only make sense right?

-Air Pollution. Why do I have to breath in dirty air because you want to get from point A to point B faster. You better pay more for your gas and that money be used to compensate me through public projects (public transit)

-Sound pollution. Why do I have to constantly hear car noises where ever I go. It's annoying. Compensate me!

I think there could be a few more points to be made if someone wants to chime in, I'm kinda tired.

[geeknerd]

-Air Pollution. Why do I have to breath in dirty air because you want to get from point A to point B faster. You better pay more for your gas and that money be used to compensate me through public projects (public transit)

-Sound pollution. Why do I have to constantly hear car noises where ever I go. It's annoying. Compensate me!

I think there could be a few more points to be made if someone wants to chime in, I'm kinda tired.

because buses dont create pollution and one of the loudest exhaust sounds?

everyone directly/indirectly uses gas. gas in bus, gas in cars that deliver products, and somepeople just have individual benefits but thats like
drivers taxes going towards transit. lets have it fair bothways.

[The7even]

You guys PM each other or something, let's get back on topic. Anyone know whats happening today in Egypt?

[Arash]

See here
http://presstv.com/live/llnw/

[insomniac]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfuf0awQse1qzw7jdo1_500.png

[TRDood]

Whats the p logo?
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[Razor Ramon HG]

PayPal

[MG1]

Not exactly. You have to realize that public transportation is a necessity while driving is a luxury. It makes absolute sense to tax luxuries to subsidize necessities.

Think about it, if public transit disappears, the whole city will collapse. But if people can't drive, big deal, they survive.
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Driving is not a luxury if there's no bus service where you work or live.

Back on topic. I cannot believe precious artifacts were stolen/broken by looters. These are part of history - their history. Do these people not have pride in their culture? Some of that stuff was thousands of yers old. In any case, it's a crying shame.

[StylinRed]

Driving is not a luxury if there's no bus service where you work or live.

Back on topic. I cannot believe precious artifacts were stolen/broken by looters. These are part of history - their history. Do these people not have pride in their culture? Some of that stuff was thousands of yers old. In any case, it's a crying shame.

usually its hired thieves etc from international millionaires who hire them to go into destabilized areas (like Iraq, Afghanistan)


the Militias are acting like crazy gangsters, they've already killed a few people and they're just stopping everyone crossing their path and rough housing them until they see some ID (the only thing the ID will tell them is if they're a govt worker)

[Obsideon]

How long until the Pyramids are torched?

Really though, I THINK if it goes too down south it WILL happen.... Well not torched specifically since it's slabs of rock, but vandalism... destruction etc...

:facepalm: That's like saying if the people in Canada revolted against Stephen Harper then the first thing we should all do is go spray paint the Rocky Mountains!

[StylinRed]

pro-mubarak groups are clashing with the anti-mubarak protesters army had to break them up

from the interviewing on the streets it sounds like he has quite a few supporters

[Ronin]

Winnipeg and port alberni arent nice places to live in either.
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Egypt:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_eOUzAYveFZ8/S79jlU-pDdI/AAAAAAAAAfU/UzUeDo2Wm7w/s1152/IMG_4839.JPG

Winnipeg:

http://www.islamsgreen.org/photos/uncategorized/winnipeg_103.jpg

Yep.

[StylinRed]

^^^ well if you took a street view shot of winni it'd look like the egypt pic too ;)


Wow the supporters of Mubarak are really going at it with the protesters now

[Ronin]

I will give you $10 if you can find me a picture of a donkey pulling a cart full of dudes down the street of Winnipeg.

[SpuGen]

^
This close enough?
http://www.winnipeginmotion.ca/winnipeg/common/uploads/files/Ice_Donkey_11x17.jpg

[StylinRed]

was a picture of horse carriages in winnipeg

[gdoh]

^???

[Ronin]

Those are horses.

[StylinRed]

ookay mr.fancy :P

[LiquidTurbo]

NSFW:
The diplomatic car that ran over 20 people in cairo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lfh7w&skipcontrinter=1
:damn::damn:

[TRDood]

NSFW:
The diplomatic car that ran over 20 people in cairo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lfh7w&skipcontrinter=1
:damn::damn:

WOW.

damn cargo vans are deadly!

http://images.autoshopper.com/PA/6322/photos/3315_6322_10.jpg

[StylinRed]

wow... Horrible sight, horrible but it looked/sounded like they were attacking the van. Being a diplomat stuck in a riot against you, the government, and getting attacked.... it's no surprise what they chose to do, however sad it may be.

[threezero]

^^ totally understand why the car did that but there is a stretch of road where there isn't much people standing around 0:31. instead of taking the less congested path the car seem to went right for where a huge crowd of people is standing. could be a reflex problem, the driver panic or whatever but still....could of made it out of the mess with a lot less injury and death

[Nightwalker]

Great pic I saw today of Christians protecting Muslims praying:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110203-egypt-christians-9a.photoblog900.jpg

On Twitter, Nevine Zaki linked to a picture she said she photographed on Wednesday of Christians protecting Muslims during their prayers in Tahrir Square. The square in Cario continues to be a scene of violence between pro- and anti-Mubarak supporters who were wielding sticks and throwing rocks. Link.

Bear in mind that this pic was taken a month after z Alexandria bombing where many Christians died in vain. Yet we all stood by each other.

[StylinRed]

^^^ yeah there's been a constant message throughout the protests that i quote "it doesn't matter if you're christian, muslim, or jew, we are All Egyptians. This is about Egypt"

[Lomac]

Unconfirmed reports of both Mubarak and his son (along with other high-level gov't officials) have resigned are starting to leak through Reuters and Al-Jazeera.

[StylinRed]

^^^^ thought his son had long since fled to the UK? on CBC the other day they said the Mubarak Family has a networth of 40-70Billion! -_-
edit: ah here's the article of his son resigning http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/05/us-egypt-usa-steps-idUSTRE71422N20110205 other major leaders have resigned also most notable is a "safwat al-sharif" the party general secretary


someone blew up a controversial gas pipeline that goes from egypt to israel (supposedly egypt signed a 15 year deal to sell gas to israel @ below cost)

the fire could be seen from miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillles away

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./397/224/020411_pipelinegaza.jpg

craaaaazy

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/05/egypt-tv-blast-gas-pipeline-near-israel/

[TheKingdom2000]

statement for the video above...

"US embassy releases a statement denying that any of its employees or diplomatic cars were involved in an accident that led to the death of several protesters
MENA, Saturday 5 Feb 2011
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The US embassy in Cairo has denied the involvement of one of its diplomatic cars in the accident that led to the deaths of several protesters.

In a statement distributed to the media, the embassy said that non of the embassy’s cars or employees were involved in the accident.

The statement said that several of the cars that belonged to the embassy were stolen on January 28 and investigations revealed that the cars have been used in criminal and violent acts.

A video of a diplomatic car running over several protesters has been making the rounds on the internet for several days."

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/5021/Egypt/Politics-/US-embassy-in-Cairo-denies-that-one-of-its-diploma.aspx

[Mercy]

The comments in the video with the van are so fucked up.
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[StylinRed]

perfectly suitable excuse by the us embassy "look its crazy there, we already left, someone stole our shit yo and are setting us up" (even though the Embassy didn't clear up shop until a couple days after this event; who's going to raid the embassy for cars with us soldiers on guard; if the embassy did face theft you know that would be plastered all over CNN)

:speechless:

The comments in the video with the van are so fucked up.
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i had a feeling it was going to be filled with crazy anti-islam teabaggers but i decided to take a look anyway.. yep i was right



edit: Manic! durrrr

[murd0c]

all of this Winnipeg talk is making me crack up. I'm actually from there and my whole family still lives there other then my parents. Yes Winnipeg isn't the nicest place in the world but it's not that bad. In the summer they have a lot of music festivals for weeks on end, and they have a real good Eastern European food culture. Grand Beach is nicer then any of our beach's with the pristine sand and warm water. Yes the landscape isn't as nice but no place is perfect.

But it's still a place I wouldn't want to live again but you can't compare it to Egypt since both cultures and landscapes are completely different. Nothing can compete with Egypt's heritage tho. I would love to go there and check everything out.

[RacePace]

Mubarak refuses to resign

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/2011210172519776830.html


Shit just got much more real

[StylinRed]

no he gave a pretty good speech


i don't see the students blowing up over it... even while he was making the speech and saying he wasn't going anywhere the crowd listening wasn't outraged they were silently paying attention

he delegated much of his power officially to the vice president too etc

[LiquidTurbo]

What the hell is wrong w/ this mofo. 30 years and he hasn't had enough? He's almost dead for crying out loud.

[RacePace]

http://static02.mediaite.com/geekosystem/uploads/2011/02/mubarak-y-u-no-step-down.jpeg

[gdoh]

^fuckin LOL

[jmvdesign]

^ LOL just logged on to give him thanks!

[tool001]

HE's OUT
http://www.thestar.com/breakingnews/article/936824--egypt-liberated-as-mubarak-steps-down?bn=1

[The7even]

finally..

[tool001]

http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/fa/90/cf09a6214c9eb8934f460b56c374.jpeg
seems like zombies were part of the celebration aswell

[Lomac]

HE's OUT
http://www.thestar.com/breakingnews/article/936824--egypt-liberated-as-mubarak-steps-down?bn=1

Now watch the whole area go to hell. As much as people didn't like him, many ofhis policies were keeping semblance of peace in the area.
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[MG1]

Yup, time for all kinds of people to come out of the woodwork.

Smooth transition? We'll see. Bring out the popcorn. We'll see what Egypt is really all about.

I still have faith in humanity, but very little.


I bet US will be in there like a dirty shirt. After all democracy is what the US is all about.....:troll:

[tool001]

Too bad they couldn't pull this in Iran.
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[StylinRed]

They did do it in Iran they kicked the Shah out who was the "original" Mubarak taking all the ppls $$ etc so the people rose up and we have the Iran of today

the CIA keeps trying to pull crazy shit (even in IRAQ) but they kept failing because overall the majority of the ppl weren't behind it (that's why the USA went in with the army to Iraq)

The last riot that took place in Iran was another right wing group that played on the heart strings of the youth (that's why the US didn't see a reason in backing them because and i quote "the two parties are very similar")

[Manic!]

PARTY TIME!!!!

:haha::spin::jiggy::buttrock::willnill::wooha: :Pbjt: :high::wiggle::):):)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

This is not just a great day for Egypt it's a great day for the whole world.

[The7even]

Now watch the whole area go to hell. As much as people didn't like him, many ofhis policies were keeping semblance of peace in the area.
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I agree that he was the reason that a more radical party never stood a chance, however, this is better for them. They deserve a shot at the freedom we enjoy here. Not saying that you're not on the same boat as me, you are.. but I guess what I'm trying to say is.. we can't let the possibility of radicals coming into power stand in the way of ousting a dictator.

I sincerely hope that good comes out of this.

[dangonay]

With Tunisia and now Egypt, are neighboring countries also thinking "it's our turn"? Mubarak isn't the only one hanging on too long.
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[Manic!]

With Tunisia and now Egypt, are neighboring countries also thinking "it's our turn"? Mubarak isn't the only one hanging on too long.
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One of the news casts read this twitter post:

What happens in Egypt stays in Egypt.
From your friends: Arab dictators.

[Bouncing Bettys]

All this activity to remove evil dictators and move towards democracy and it doesn't take a US lead coalition shock and awe?

[StylinRed]

yeah except this was Americas dictator that was ousted

that's why fox news msnbc etc etc are reporting that the terrorists are going to take over now and how the middleest cant have democracy on their own

glen beck says the anti-christ will take over lol

[Manic!]

I'm more scared of Sarah Palin or Jeb Bush than the Muslim brotherhood and if you want to talk about extremists look no further than Glen Beck.

[Carl Johnson]

Good the see the people of Egypt are free, but hate to see story like this.


CBS reporter raped, beaten in Egypt
Last Updated: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 | 6:05 PM ET
The Associated Press

CBS correspondent Lara Logan is shown covering the reaction in in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Feb. 11. She was attacked the same day. (CBS News/Associated Press)
CBS News says correspondent Lara Logan is recovering in a U.S. hospital from an attack while reporting on the tumultuous events in Cairo last Friday.

Logan was in the city's Tahrir Square after Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down when she and her team and their security were surrounded by a mob of more than 200 people, the network said in a statement on Tuesday.

Separated from her crew in the crush of the mob, she suffered what CBS called "a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating." She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers.

She reconnected with the CBS team and returned to the U.S. on Saturday.

At least 140 correspondents who have been injured or killed since Jan. 30 while covering the unrest in Egypt, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists.

An Egyptian reporter died from gunshot wounds he received during the protests.

A week before Friday's attack, Logan was detained by the Egyptian military for a day, along with two CBS cameramen. They returned to the U.S. after their release, and Logan went back to Cairo shortly before Mubarak left.

Logan joined CBS News in 2002. She regularly reports for the CBS Evening News as well as 60 Minutes, where she has been a correspondent since 2006. She has reported widely from Iraq and Afghanistan, and other global trouble spots.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2011/02/15/cbs-egypt-rape.html?ref=rss#ixzz1E4fXUuCB

[Tegra_Devil]

barbarians