[Derek_N84]

After years of hating running and refusing to do it, it suddenly seems less of a chore and actually quite enjoyable. Starting to run a decent distance (for myself) of about minimal 5K to a max of 8.5K so far.

Just wondering if there are any other runners out on RS and if there is anyone with advice on how to improve runner's endurace!

Oh and maybe use this thread to talk about gear (shoes, watches etc) too!

Currently I'm using Nike+ free run, Nike+ watch, MP3 and UA cold gear leggings.

[Wongtouski]

I run quite a bit, started in gr 12 when I stopped swimming and gained a boat load of weight. I guess at that time, and today even, my way of improving endurance is simply to run on a consistent basis, and just challenging yourself every day. For me, I run on treadmills so I can literally see how fast I'm running. So say if I ran 30mins at 10.2 k/hr today, then maybe tmr I'll go 20mins @ 10.2 and 10 @ 10.4. I know its probably not the best way to do it but for me I just aim for consistency and longevity, so I strive for gradual improvements.

I run on nike lunar(something), Mizunos are good shoes, the guys that run runners' shops say the "legit" runners shun nike and go for mizunos and such (granted I was in a runners' shop in HK). I used to run in a pair of adidas, they were terrific cuz they were extremely light and durable. To be 100% honest I don't love my lunarwhatevers, but the look of it is so damn enticing!

[LookHere_Sucka]

I'm not much of a "regular runner" but I do like running and I can run decent distances.
I always run with friends if I can, it makes things more enjoyable and you don't focus on running. I usually just wear my UA heatgear and any shox cause I got two or three pairs.
^Yeah, challenge yourself everyday and run a little bit more or a little bit faster.

[hamsup]

I've found the only comfortable nike shoes to run on are the air pegasus. Everything else always seemed to be a bit narrow. My favourite running shoes are probably saucany progrids,saucany omni, and asics kayanos...

I am starting to jog again after a knee injury... =) I've started jogging 20 or so minutes on the threadmill 2 times a week.. and will hitting the pavement soon... woot !

[Wongtouski]

I am starting to jog again after a knee injury... =) I've started jogging 20 or so minutes on the threadmill 2 times a week.. and will hitting the pavement soon... woot !

What sorta knee injury did you have? I twisted my right knee in basketball a while back.....took me a long time for it to recover......its still not 100%

[RayBot]

I'm currently training for the BMO Vancouver Marathon coming in May amongst other things.

I only started running last August, and i really don't know why i kept on doing it....just little at a time, finding new routes to make sure i don't get bored.

Also....view of a lot of hot girls in the process too.

I'm currently using the Nike Vomero 4, but thinking of getting rid of them and going to some Asics. Sure they were comfortable...but stability was....mediocre.

I'm running from River Rock Casino to Waterfront station on....thursday perhaps? Anyone wanna join?

[RayBot]

Oh....by the way, Nike+ GPS rocks!!

[Derek_N84]

^ +1 for NIKE+

Its the only reason I bought the shoes in the first place. I figured if I spent the money on the stuff I'd have no choice but to run lol.

River Rock to Waterfront ..? shiiiiiiit thats far lol

Oh and if anyone doesn't already use leggings for this weather, they're a god send if you hate running in sweats like I do. Felt funny and it was hard to get use to but now its runner-gasmic haha. (oh and I where them under my shorts, no moose knuckle peep show)

[hamsup]

What sorta knee injury did you have? I twisted my right knee in basketball a while back.....took me a long time for it to recover......its still not 100%

Yup.. basically the same injury....but not from bball.. it was from vball after a block !!! **we won the game and came in first in our league** it wasn't worth it !!!!

[Leopold Stotch]

i jst started running, i try and run to my old hs, once around and back, which is about 4k. i've been using BB gps programs to track it, but it's a bit bulky to carry, but nothing beats freeee!

i'm thinking about switching to interval training, which is my dillemma

gain endurance for hockey?

or

Lose weight for sexiness back?

[SizzleChest]

I usually just wear my UA heatgear and any shox cause I got two or three pairs.

i'd look into getting some new shoes - to each his own, but both of those are not regarded very highly in the running community.

the barefoot/minimalist movement is really pushing hard and lots of big name companies are putting their names in the hat (vibram five fingers, nike free, merrell trail glove, new balance minimus, saucony hattori to name a few). i've been running in VFFs for a few months now and am definitely liking it so far.

HERE
here is a great instructional video on how to run with "proper" form using the POSE method. also, check out the book entitled Born to Run.

[mickz]

^ +1 for NIKE+

Its the only reason I bought the shoes in the first place. I figured if I spent the money on the stuff I'd have no choice but to run lol.

River Rock to Waterfront ..? shiiiiiiit thats far lol

Oh and if anyone doesn't already use leggings for this weather, they're a god send if you hate running in sweats like I do. Felt funny and it was hard to get use to but now its runner-gasmic haha. (oh and I where them under my shorts, no moose knuckle peep show)

You don't need Nike shoes for Nike+ though. There's ways of attaching the Nike+ sensor to other shoes.

[Leopold Stotch]

i'd look into getting some new shoes - to each his own, but both of those are not regarded very highly in the running community.

the barefoot/minimalist movement is really pushing hard and lots of big name companies are putting their names in the hat (vibram five fingers, nike free, merrell trail glove, new balance minimus, saucony hattori to name a few). i've been running in VFFs for a few months now and am definitely liking it so far.

HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Nt4WgQed8)
here is a great instructional video on how to run with "proper" form using the POSE method. also, check out the book entitled Born to Run.

played hockey with a guy who said thatw as a really good book,

how are your feet holding up? i hear it's hard to run in those at first because we're so used to soft cushioned shoes.

[RayBot]

the barefoot/minimalist movement is really pushing hard and lots of big name companies are putting their names in the hat (vibram five fingers, nike free, merrell trail glove, new balance minimus, saucony hattori to name a few). i've been running in VFFs for a few months now and am definitely liking it so far.



There was some dude beside me at the marathon running in bare feet. I really don't know what motivates you guys to do it.....but wow.

[SizzleChest]

played hockey with a guy who said thatw as a really good book,

how are your feet holding up? i hear it's hard to run in those at first because we're so used to soft cushioned shoes.

i'm still very much in the beginning stage, but the tops of my ankles are a bit sore (somewhat ironically) where shoes laces would be, but other that, i'm doing pretty well. barefooting is definitely NOT something that you can just take off your shoes and do. you have to do your homework with how to progress with patience and proper form.

a good wealth of barefooting info HERE (http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-running)

There was some dude beside me at the marathon running in bare feet. I really don't know what motivates you guys to do it.....but wow.i started to offer my reasoning as to "why", but after about 20 minutes of fast and furious typing, i realized i was basically rewriting the book Born to Run, so just go read it for yourself :)

[Harvey Specter]

I have Nike lunars which I use to run on the treadmill. I've had the shoes for 2 years now, still like new and everyday for the last 7 months i've been doing 5k, 25 mins with 6 incline and the Nike's haven't let me down.

[TheNewGirl]

I haven't run for like... 10 years. I'm just getting back into it and I tell you it's killing me. But I tried out a pair of Five Fingers and was absolutely shocked by how comfortable they felt.

Sizzle which ones to you run in? I looked at two or three different pairs but wasn't sure what would be best.

[SizzleChest]

Sizzle which ones to you run in? I looked at two or three different pairs but wasn't sure what would be best.

i have the bikilas that i bought from citysports.com. they are marketed as the model meant for running, but lots of people prefer to run in other models for various reasons.

FYI: Fila is coming out with a copycat version of the five fingers called skeletoes which are going to be less expensive, but apparently they aren't marketed as running footwear.

[RayBot]

Great....now i am having a tendency to run.

Anyone for a run meet next week?



PS: Sizzle, maybe i will read. Where can i find that? running room?

[illicitstylz]

running places a lot of impact on your knees and feet, does forefeet running attempt to eliminate/alleviate that?

[RRxtar]

I started running a fair bit in the fall, usually about 5k at the track. It started to feel good after a while. I definitely want to get back into it in the spring. I actually really enjoy terrain running thru forested regional parks.


Need to get a new pair of shoes asap tho.

[SizzleChest]

PS: Sizzle, maybe i will read. Where can i find that? running room?

library, amazon, chapters. possibly at a running store, although it talks a lot of smack about traditional running shoes which would not be good for business if you're a running store owner.

running places a lot of impact on your knees and feet, does forefeet running attempt to eliminate/alleviate that?
YES! when you land on your heel with a longer stride, your leg is close to being straight which puts the impact on your knees, hips and lower back. landing on your fore/midfoot with a shorter stride uses your body's natural shock absorption to cushion the impact. studies have shown that there is less impact on joints from barefoot running than there is with the most highly cushioned running shoes - this won't apply to everyone though. it is highly dependant on how you run.

there is a mexican tribe called the raramuri (tarahumara) which translates to "the running people" who are known for running 50-100 miles at a time in huaraches seen HERE. (http://barefootted.com/uploaded_images/DSC_2274-1-760970.jpg) Born to Run is based on the author's experience with the tarahumara.

[PK6o4*]

I use nike frees 7.0

http://images.nike.com/is/image/emea/PDP_P/Chaussure-de-course-%C3%A0-pied-Nike-Free-7.0-V2-pour-Homme-396046_100_A.png

not sure if they're the best for running but i like the flexibility and light weight of the shoe

[Wongtouski]

^ I really don't like the frees, Lunars are better.

I'm looking into these at the moment, anyone got intel?

Adidas Aegis 2.0

http://s7ondemand1.scene7.com/is/image/roadrunnersports/ADI1634?wid=500&hei=500

[RayBot]

Frees and Lunars are both completely different types of shoes of running. I can't run in either of them....Frees are so hard, the Lunars are comfy but they are gutless and not what i need for stability considering i am hovering around the 200lbs mark.

To the poster right above posting about the Adizeros.....they are excellent for track running, but really, i don't know how long they will last if u bring em to the streets or track. They are super light and airy though....i just use adizeros (not those exact ones) at the gym and nothing else.

[Wongtouski]

Frees and Lunars are both completely different types of shoes of running. I can't run in either of them....Frees are so hard, the Lunars are comfy but they are gutless and not what i need for stability considering i am hovering around the 200lbs mark.

To the poster right above posting about the Adizeros.....they are excellent for track running, but really, i don't know how long they will last if u bring em to the streets or track. They are super light and airy though....i just use adizeros (not those exact ones) at the gym and nothing else.

I'm gonna use em like almost exclusive for the gym (treadmill), I have lunar's right now but I can feel that parts of it are dying, sorta like how your air max feels when it's about to go.

[SizzleChest]

Frees and Lunars are both completely different types of shoes of running. I can't run in either of them....Frees are so hard, the Lunars are comfy but they are gutless and not what i need for stability considering i am hovering around the 200lbs mark.
high body weight does not mean you need more cushioning. i used to think the same way. i'm 195 and running in a pair of gloves on my feet and my knee pain is almost completely gone.

referencing my go-to book again - studies have proven that people running in cheap shoes are LESS prone to running related injuries the runners in expensive shoes. the same holds true for people running in old shoes. again, less prone to injuries than people in new shoes.

READ THE BOOK!!

i had a pair of free 3.0 v2s that i really liked, but i returned them because the blue pads on the outsole fell off (probably shouldn't have used them to play indoor soocer :blush:). i'm tempted to buy another pair but i'm not sure how much use i'll put them to since i'm really enjoying the barefooting thing. but for anyone not planning on changing their running style, frees and any other minimalist type shoe should be avoided.

[RayBot]

Well, i don't need more cushioning...with the shave of my feet and with a little excess weighht...i need more stability.

I think thats why i am leaning towards some new Asics. Hopefully i can get them this month.....i got the half marathon at the end of this month.

[azncreationz]

I'm a runner, been doing it for at least the last 8 years. I've ran numerous races, from 5kms all the way up to Marathon distances. What I keep hearing over and over from people new to running is, 'I like Nikes, or (insert brand)'. Each person's foot is different and each shoe company makes different shoes. Some fit wider, narrower, etc. What you want to do is go get fitted properly at a running specific store. (Not Sport Chek!)
I'm currently running in a pair of Asics and a pair of New Balance 769's. The Asics were okay til they wore down. As for Adidas, they are a mainstay in my running attire. I've ran in most of the Adizero's, such as Aces, Boston, Adapt, Cushion, as well as Supernova Sequence, Response, Glides. Yes, I only use my Adizero's for short training runs or shorter races.
As for running technique, I would agree on running with a midfoot or forefoot strike. But yes, that does take practice for most people. Pose method, Chi running, Forefoot running, whatever you want to call it...make sure you build up slowly if you're just starting out!
Raybot, good luck with your half marathon! I have a half marathon this upcoming weekend, and the weekend after that!

[RayBot]

So ur running the Historic Half in Langley...?? If you are, try to hit me up.

Here is my running route for tonight::

http://yfrog.com/gycbmjnj

[azncreationz]

Yes, 1st Half, and the Fort Langley Half.

So your training run is point to point?!? How do you get home? Or, you just take the skytrain back down Cambie? Do you actually run on Cambie Street?

[Wongtouski]

Was watching this, and I want to try Barefoot Running now, at the very least want to try out the five-fingers shoe

http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_mcdougall_are_we_born_to_run.html

[RayBot]

Yes, 1st Half, and the Fort Langley Half.

So your training run is point to point?!? How do you get home? Or, you just take the skytrain back down Cambie? Do you actually run on Cambie Street?

Depends what i am in the mood for...sometimes i do a huge loop but i get bored easily.
Yeah yesterday i parked at the richmond costco and i just caught the skytrain from can city ctr.
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[SizzleChest]

http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_mcdougall_are_we_born_to_run.html

great clip - a lot of those facts were in the book too. the one about 64 year olds being able to keep pace with 19 year olds is fascinating.

[RayBot]

Today's groupon:: $25 for a $50 credit on footwear at Forerunner, Kits and NorthVan

[J____]

does anyone living in the richmond area around minoru wanna start a run club?

I used to hate running but getting addicting. However the lack of someone to run with makes me lazy at times haha. I run about 30 mins/ 4-5km, would like this to be everyday or every other day which ever works. Set a specific time and have ppl show up when they can.

Anyone? minoru track

[UFO]

The barefoot running 'movement' is certainly a very interesting one. While I think that there is some merit to its claims, we need to remember that everybody's foot mechanics, running styles, and preferences are very different. We can't all follow the example of a certain Mexican or African tribe and hope that with enough time and training, we can attain those levels. Genetics play a large role in your foot structure and mechanics, the surfaces you are running on will also largely determine your ability to run in minimalist footwear.

Runners like Raybot who know/feel like they need support, likely do. I have seen enough runners with those type of feet who have moved exclusively to a minimalist shoe (even the Nike Free's) only to injure themselves and set their training back. I like to promote the Free's and other minimalist shoes as a good training tool, to be used once or twice a week in a regular rotation with your primary running shoes. I will never recommend these shoes for exclusive use, especially if the user is not willing to learn how to properly run and use these shoes.

There is a LOT of marketing out there regarding toning shoes, minimalist shoes, etc etc so one really needs to educate themselves to the appropriateness of each type of shoe and not rely solely on what the salesguy at Sport Chek is telling/selling you. Wearing a Reebok toning shoe 8 hours a day for work will not tone your butt to make it look like those claimed in the marketting campaigns. A lot of runners, especially beginners, will underestimate the role and importance of their shoes. Think about it like any sport or activity, there is the right tool for the right job and the right user. Your runners are really the primary piece of sports equipment required for running and should be treated as such.

[OTG-ZR2]

Is anyone going to run the Sun run?

[RayBot]

does anyone living in the richmond area around minoru wanna start a run club?

I used to hate running but getting addicting. However the lack of someone to run with makes me lazy at times haha. I run about 30 mins/ 4-5km, would like this to be everyday or every other day which ever works. Set a specific time and have ppl show up when they can.

Anyone? minoru track

You should do the west dyke trail or the oval trail.....those are better than running around the track.

[J____]

You should do the west dyke trail or the oval trail.....those are better than running around the track.

where are those? The track is 2 mins from my place. i can walk over and back haha.

[RayBot]

Garry Point Park is the start of the West Dyke Trail......Terra Nova is the start of the North Dyke trail which runs by the olympic oval.

[Tapioca]

I know people who run with Nike Frees and they swear by them, but they probably haven't suffered any running injuries in their lives. After going through plantar fasciitis, I don't think I could run in something like the Free.

I'm running in some Saucony Ride #2s because they are the only shoe that can accommodate my orthotic. The orthotic has prevented a recurrence of plantar fasciitis, but now I have no cushioning which has made it tough on my knees.

[dhari]

New Balance= best running shoe brand ever!

[SizzleChest]

I know people who run with Nike Frees and they swear by them, but they probably haven't suffered any running injuries in their lives. After going through plantar fasciitis, I don't think I could run in something like the Free.

I'm running in some Saucony Ride #2s because they are the only shoe that can accommodate my orthotic. The orthotic has prevented a recurrence of plantar fasciitis, but now I have no cushioning which has made it tough on my knees.

considering that the proper way to run in frees is with minimal/no weight on the heel, i don't see why you couldn't at least try them

[IMASA]

does anyone living in the richmond area around minoru wanna start a run club?

I used to hate running but getting addicting. However the lack of someone to run with makes me lazy at times haha. I run about 30 mins/ 4-5km, would like this to be everyday or every other day which ever works. Set a specific time and have ppl show up when they can.

Anyone? minoru track

I'd be down for a Richmond run club. I signed up for the Sun Run this year, never done it before. I find I usually just run near my house, on the Shell road trail from Shell & Williams to Westminister highway or on top of that sewer pipe in Iona beach.

[RayBot]

I need to do a 10km before sunday. Anyone wanna hit?

[UFO]

I know people who run with Nike Frees and they swear by them, but they probably haven't suffered any running injuries in their lives. After going through plantar fasciitis, I don't think I could run in something like the Free.

I'm running in some Saucony Ride #2s because they are the only shoe that can accommodate my orthotic. The orthotic has prevented a recurrence of plantar fasciitis, but now I have no cushioning which has made it tough on my knees.

Free's have been shown in some studies to actually help in the recovery of plantar fasciitis, as long as they are used in the appropriate conditions in the right context. If you are a moderate to severe overpronator, I would not recommend running in the Free's. Using them as a training tool to strengthen the intrinsic muscles of the foot, yes of course but only in moderation. There isn't really anything preventing anyone from trying them, as long as the proper protocol is followed and they are ok with paying $120 for a shoe that should be used maybe 20% of the time.

There are a lot of great neutral shoes that provide tons of cushioning above and beyond your current Ride. If you like the Saucony fit, the Triumph is a higher end shoe that will theoretically provide more cushioning. Shoes like the Asics Cumulus or Nimbus are traditional favourites in the neutral category. Using an orthotic usually means you have removed the original insole that came with the shoe, which decreases a small amount of the overall cushioning, but the majority of the functional cushioning within the shoe is actually in the midsole. Orthotics can come with a cushioned top cover as well, so if yours are hard/firm there are certainly options to help regain some of the comfort of the shoe's original insole.

I don't usually like to refer to specific brands of shoes when I'm asked about a 'good running shoe', simply because every company will make a range of shoes to fit in different price ranges. It's not reasonable to expect a $50 New Balance running shoe to perform as well as a $150 Mizuno running shoe. However the performance gap between a $150 shoe and a $250 shoe is actually quite slim IMO.

dhari New Balance= best running shoe brand ever!
New Balance have hundreds of different shoes in their lineup, and I would certainly say a good number of those are actually quite poor. Same can be said of other brands though. One thing New Balance has over others--most of their shoes are available in multiple widths so you can get the proper fit both length AND width wise more often than not.

[J____]

I'd be down for a Richmond run club. I signed up for the Sun Run this year, never done it before. I find I usually just run near my house, on the Shell road trail from Shell & Williams to Westminister highway or on top of that sewer pipe in Iona beach.

where abouts do u live? im at granville/st.albans. lets start a run club, get motivated. lol

r u close to the minoru track to make it out there?

[RayBot]

where abouts do u live? im at granville/st.albans. lets start a run club, get motivated. lol

r u close to the minoru track to make it out there?


Well I'll be busy this weekend with a big run...

BMO is only 2 months away!!! So much better than doing the sun run. Such an awesome environment.,

[J____]

Well I'll be busy this weekend with a big run...

BMO is only 2 months away!!! So much better than doing the sun run. Such an awesome environment.,

how big of a run? i dont think i can do a 10k yet lol. never attempted.

[azncreationz]

Well I'll be busy this weekend with a big run...

BMO is only 2 months away!!! So much better than doing the sun run. Such an awesome environment.,

You doing the half or full at BMO? I'm still on the fence on this race...

[IMASA]

I need to do a 10km before sunday. Anyone wanna hit?
Er, Saturday? I haven't done a full 10km yet. Been mostly running 3-6kms depending on the weather.


where abouts do u live? im at granville/st.albans. lets start a run club, get motivated. lol

r u close to the minoru track to make it out there?

I'm near Shell and Williams. Yeah, I need motivation man. I ran flat out for a few kms yesterday and realized I have the stamina and endurance, just not the mental strength to keep going.

[RayBot]

You doing the half or full at BMO? I'm still on the fence on this race...

I'm running the full....hoping to get proper training accomplished compared to last year.

[RayBot]

Er, Saturday? I haven't done a full 10km yet. Been mostly running 3-6kms depending on the weather.




I'm near Shell and Williams. Yeah, I need motivation man. I ran flat out for a few kms yesterday and realized I have the stamina and endurance, just not the mental strength to keep going.



Im not gonna run before sunday looks like...i wanna make sure knees and legs are in tact for sunday morning.

[J____]

Er, Saturday? I haven't done a full 10km yet. Been mostly running 3-6kms depending on the weather.




I'm near Shell and Williams. Yeah, I need motivation man. I ran flat out for a few kms yesterday and realized I have the stamina and endurance, just not the mental strength to keep going.

run on the weekend?

[IMASA]

run on the weekend?

Sure, I'm down, either tomorrow or sunday. You got pm.

[IMASA]

Alright, the RS Richmond run club just had it's first meet. Attendence = 2. ha ha
Anyone else want to join in??

[RayBot]

Gimme a shout for next weekend. Sunday preferred.

[azncreationz]

Raybot, how did your race go? Awesome weather, which was a good surprise!

[RayBot]

Fuckineh...the run was unbeleivable. The route was changed and imo its better and safer...more scenic too. Finished shy of 2 hours, didn't hit my goal though (1:55).

But yeah....after that run which had about a 1500 people...i learned something. I'd like to think that a marathon group are more 'serious' runners....and in a group of 'serious' runners....it looks like Nike's reputation doesn't go beyond its branding. As for shoes, including myself (and i use higher end nikes) i would say only 10% of the runners there were using Nike runners. The other running brands other people were wearing completely outnumbered nike users big time.

I was like wow...Nike is obviously not a popular choice.

[J____]

asics FTW lol. I personally have a pair of el cheap adidas from costco haha. Maybe when i get more hardcore i'll invest in a good pair of runners.

Planning to go for another run on saturday next weekend if your free raybot.

[IMASA]

I can make it out next Sunday. I need to buy a new pair of Asics, mine are getting pretty beat up.

[azncreationz]

Fuckineh...the run was unbeleivable. The route was changed and imo its better and safer...more scenic too. Finished shy of 2 hours, didn't hit my goal though (1:55).

But yeah....after that run which had about a 1500 people...i learned something. I'd like to think that a marathon group are more 'serious' runners....and in a group of 'serious' runners....it looks like Nike's reputation doesn't go beyond its branding. As for shoes, including myself (and i use higher end nikes) i would say only 10% of the runners there were using Nike runners. The other running brands other people were wearing completely outnumbered nike users big time.

I was like wow...Nike is obviously not a popular choice.

Hey, nice work!
I agree with you. Hardly anyone in my running group wears Nike's. Saucony, New Balance, Mizuno, Asics, Adidas & Brooks are the majority. But hey, it's what fits your foot type & what you're looking for in a running shoe. (and for sure, sometimes budget)
I was happy to beat my 1st Half time today, not by much, but every second counts!

[RayBot]

Im retiring my Nike Vomero 4 from any more long runs....I'm gonna head over to Bellingham to pick up some new Asics.

$109us vs. $179 can

But yeah....in order of what shoes people were using, it was:
1.Asics
2. Saucony
3. New Balance
4. Adidas
5. Nike

[achiam]

Asics Nimbus/Cumulus (alternating)
Garmin GPS watch to measure on googlemaps distance/time

Hey guys! I'm not in town right now, but I'd love to meet up and run!
I was also thinking of doing the Seek the Peak Relay this year, if anyone else is up for it lemme know!

^Yea, I've run a Vancouver half, Paris half, and the NY Marathon -- I'd say 80%+ of the runners were wearing Asics.

[RayBot]

Hey, nice work!
I agree with you. Hardly anyone in my running group wears Nike's. Saucony, New Balance, Mizuno, Asics, Adidas & Brooks are the majority. But hey, it's what fits your foot type & what you're looking for in a running shoe. (and for sure, sometimes budget)
I was happy to beat my 1st Half time today, not by much, but every second counts!

What was your time in both?? And which is the better run?

[UFO]

Asics is king, and has been for a long time, as far as the 'core' group of runners go. Nike has not spent much resources in a proper dedicated running program until the last couple of years. Sure there have always been Nike's you can run in, but they were not designed with as much R&D as is currently devoted in their recent shoes. Brooks is another brand that has a lot going for it, and offer a great line.

Raybot, look into a shoe in the Asics 21xx series, it should be the right range for you based on what I've read of you in this post and you fill likely feel more efficient in a more stable platform. I find the Asics line is one of the most versatile fit, it is very easy getting a good fit for many different types of feet and has been this way for a long time, one of the things that make Asics as popular as they are today. The Vomero's are a great cushioned neutral shoe, but they are so soft that I find the shoe soaks up a lot of your energy while running and ideal really for light strikers of supinators. Of course, fit is key so use that as your first priority when trying to decide between brands/models.

Shoes ARE significantly cheaper in the US than Canada, mainly due to the volumes they do down there and the distribution network in Canada. ie. The full MSRP for any given shoe in the US is usually only about $10 more than the Canadian WHOLESALE cost which retailers have to pay to buy the shoe from the distributor, before selling the shoe in Canada at MSRP or whatever sale price. As with anything purchased online or in the US, those who want or need the service or expertise do not mind spending the extra $50-80 per pair of shoes, but it is a tough sell for those who don't really care and are willing to research, try, and experiment on their own. If you don't need to be in the latest shoe, most running specialty stores will start blowing out leftover stock usually 2-3 months prior to the new season (ie. 2150's at $95) and that can get you the best of both worlds.

[RayBot]

Hey UFO...

I tried the Asics 2160s in the states....felt very cheap, unfortunately those of the 3 shoes i was looking for were the only ones they had in my size.

I was looking more into the Kayano 17s and the Nimbus 12s. About to go to Bellingham this week to see if they have it. But before i do, any thoughts on those???

[UFO]

Both Kayano and Nimbus are great shoes, but they are also very different from each other. The Kayano is a fairly 'stable' and corrective shoe, slightly more so than the 21xx. The Kayano does have fancier upper materials which makes for a more comfortable fit, but the 2150/60 is no slouch IMO. In Canada anyways, the Kayano is about $50-60 more expensive than the 21xx at full MSRP, and the improvements don't justify that price increase IMO. The Kayano won't last you any longer, and once again IMO, although the 21xx doesn't look as flashy, it is certainly the workhorse series in Asics that has failed to disappoint. You can find the 2150's deeply discounted at most retailers.

About the Nimbus, they are a great neutral cushioned platform, in the same category as your current Vomero but the Nimbus are a much stronger shoe. Once again, it is the premium neutral shoe in the lineup, and hard for me to justify the $50-60 price jump over the Cumulus which performs similarly, but looks less flashy and does not have the same hi-tech uppers.

If you are a Nimbus user, you should in no way be also considering the Kayano, and vice versa. I would highly recommend you have your gait analyzed and get some advice on what shoe or category of shoe would be most appropriate for you. Most running specialty stores should be more than happy to do a simple gait analysis for you without obligating you to purchase from them. There are places that can do a more detailed gait analysis, also at no cost, and provide you with some recommendations. My work involves detailed biomechancial gait assessments for people from all different backgrounds suffering from different ailments or just preventative measures. Feel free to PM me if you want more info.

[azncreationz]

What was your time in both?? And which is the better run?

1:58:48 at the First Half & 1:54:48 at Fort Langley. I was having a better race at the First Half til the last couple of kms and both my legs cramped up, forcing me to walk. I punished myself into finishing under 2 hours, and I dearly paid for it, as my legs hurt for 4 days straight. I was praying I'd be okay to run Fort Langley! Deciding that I don't want to injure myself or risk cramping again, I did 10 and 1's religiously the ENTIRE race at Fort Langley, and thus, giving me a better time.

[RayBot]

1:58:48 at the First Half & 1:54:48 at Fort Langley. I was having a better race at the First Half til the last couple of kms and both my legs cramped up, forcing me to walk. I punished myself into finishing under 2 hours, and I dearly paid for it, as my legs hurt for 4 days straight. I was praying I'd be okay to run Fort Langley! Deciding that I don't want to injure myself or risk cramping again, I did 10 and 1's religiously the ENTIRE race at Fort Langley, and thus, giving me a better time.

Nice job!! Now you're actually on track for training for BMO! :p

Screw the sun run!

[OTG-ZR2]

Anyone in coquitlam area feel like a run tuesday or thursday?

I usually hit up mundy park but willing to try new locations.
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[azncreationz]

Nice job!! Now you're actually on track for training for BMO! :p

Screw the sun run!

I wish I could 'screw the Sun Run!'.. already signed up, through work.
Not sure how much training I'm going to get in for BMO (Full), as I have a few other races which I'm signed up for already, and they'll screw up my training schedule. If it doesn't pan out, I may just opt to run the BMO Half.

[OTG-ZR2]

Whats with all the hate against the Sun Run?

I have not ran it before so just wondering what all the fuss is about.

[RayBot]

Theres no 'hate' for the sunrun....however, it can be very inconvenient with thousands of people going the exact same route.....u may notice that for the first few kms, its more like a sun walk.

[achiam]

The sun run is a joke in that its not serious -- 10k runs are considered "fun runs."

It was the first run I'd ever registered in, and the amount of people wrongly registered in the speed categories was quite laughable. I put myself in the fastest bracket (non-contender), and the first 10 minutes was spent trying to fight past people who were barely speed walking. Eventually, I followed several other people and hopped the barricade and ran on the sidewalk / grass path as though it was a HOV lane.

[RayBot]

^^ In continuation..

Frankly...its a waste of money....if you actually even register. If you pay it...its a waste of money. If you wanna just go there and crash the race....why even bother?

[Tapioca]

Whats with all the hate against the Sun Run?

I have not ran it before so just wondering what all the fuss is about.

The Sun Run is great if you're new to running. Once you get somewhat serious and care about your time, then you'll want to participate in events where there's less people.

The swag at the Sun Run blows too. Most major runs will at least include a proper tech-top and some decent post-race food/goodies. You get bagels, a cotton t-shirt, and bananas after the Sun Run.

[RayBot]

For me, best swag and food goes to the NB Fall Classic thats held at UBC. Not the most exciting route, but their post race is held indoors with chili, bagels, fruit, cake, granola bars, beverages....and the list goes on. All the shirts they give out are nice...long sleeve technicals, or upgrade for 20 bucks more a technical half-zip thermal or pants.

[azncreationz]

Best post race food, for me, is The Longest Day race out at UBC. Held in the summer on a Friday night, it's always perfect weather for a run. Food includes bbq burgers, smokies, in addition to all the regular bananas, oranges, watermelon, honeydew, granola bars, etc. And there's a beer garden too. And door prizes are always good, but I'm bias, because last year I won the trip for 2 to Tofino with a 2 night stay at the Long Beach Lodge. :woot2:

A lot of the smaller races have awesome home baked goodies and they're really good. The members of the sponsoring run club bake and bring them to the race. And these smaller races always have reasonable entry fees as well. Because they're smaller, it's not as crowded, and you have a better chance at winning a door prize (or actually placing within your age group!).

If you're looking for road or trail races, here's the local race calenders.

http://www.bcathletics.org/eventcal_rr11.htm

http://www.bcathletics.org/eventcal_xc11.htm

and the Lower Mainland Race series:
http://www.lmrrs.com/

5 Peaks trail running series:
http://www.5peaks.com/schedule.asp?p=bc

[RayBot]

Best post race food, for me, is The Longest Day race out at UBC. Held in the summer on a Friday night, it's always perfect weather for a run. Food includes bbq burgers, smokies, in addition to all the regular bananas, oranges, watermelon, honeydew, granola bars, etc. And there's a beer garden too.



WTF??? Why the hell have i never heard of this??????

[Tapioca]

For me, best swag and food goes to the NB Fall Classic thats held at UBC. Not the most exciting route, but their post race is held indoors with chili, bagels, fruit, cake, granola bars, beverages....and the list goes on. All the shirts they give out are nice...long sleeve technicals, or upgrade for 20 bucks more a technical half-zip thermal or pants.

I've always wanted to do the NB classic, even if it's just the 10K. I'll have to keep your post in mind.

The Turkey Trot has pretty good food too - smoked salmon, fresh fruit, wheat muffins, etc.

[J____]

Got a question for you long time runners; I've been going every 2-3 days for a 7k run for the past few weeks and my knees started to hurt like crazy after a run yesterday. Feels like the ligaments on the inside of the knee because when i press against it I can feel the pain. Anyone know what the cause of this is? improper alignment/bad technique, or just from the compression of suddenly picking up running regularly? thnx

[c_loke]

Got a question for you long time runners; I've been going every 2-3 days for a 7k run for the past few weeks and my knees started to hurt like crazy after a run yesterday. Feels like the ligaments on the inside of the knee because when i press against it I can feel the pain. Anyone know what the cause of this is? improper alignment/bad technique, or just from the compression of suddenly picking up running regularly? thnx

Sounds like you got some wear and tear. If you are new to running, 7k runs 2-3 times a week can wear your body down. Maybe take a week off from running and see how you feel.

Do you stretch after running? I have issues like yours all the time and its because I have tight Iliotibial bands from the running and cycling I do. Perhaps you are experiencing the same thing.

[SizzleChest]

I have issues like yours all the time and its because I have tight Iliotibial bands from the running and cycling I do. Perhaps you are experiencing the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHBDim_fzk

glucosamine supplements are good for joint pain as well

[J____]

i dont stretch haha. i knw its horrible!

I started to take glucosamine again after the pain. I was reading up about runner's knee pain. Would cycling or low impact cardio in place of running decrease knee pain?

Mine hurts on the inside, not the outside of the thigh. Is that still the IT band?

[c_loke]

The inside knee pain could be caused by the tight IT band as it could pull your knee cap out of place which causes the tracking of the joint to be kind of off. Thats what I hear anyways.

I found that with a foam roller and stretching after running, it has made a huge difference for me. The best is to use a foam roller. If you dont have access to one, try googling some stretches and see if that helps.

[SizzleChest]

i dont stretch haha. i knw its horrible!

I started to take glucosamine again after the pain. I was reading up about runner's knee pain. Would cycling or low impact cardio in place of running decrease knee pain?

Mine hurts on the inside, not the outside of the thigh. Is that still the IT band?

stretching has mixed opinions. i am definitely not all-knowing on the subject, but what i have heard is that stretching pre-exercise only has psychological benefits. stretching post-exercise can be moderately useful for releasing tension. if increasing flexibility is the goal, then 30 seconds minimum per stretch is required.

the IT band is on the outside of the thigh. cycling would probably ease your knee pain, but it depends on exactly what is the cause of the pain. if you want to keep running, i suggest exploring the world of pose or chi running - google it.

[J____]

where can u get a foam roller?

[RayBot]

where can u get a foam roller?

http://www.sportmedstore.com/

Lots of stores in Vancouver

[azncreationz]

where can u get a foam roller?

Running Room has them too, and you can get fitted for a new pair of shoes. Could be your shoes have worn out and is causing your knee pain.

[teaoh]

With Running Room will they help you determine what kind of runner you are? Just checked their site and I dont know what category I fall into. Cushioning, Stability, or Motion Control. I really want to make an effort this year to do more cardio

[azncreationz]

With Running Room will they help you determine what kind of runner you are? Just checked their site and I dont know what category I fall into. Cushioning, Stability, or Motion Control. I really want to make an effort this year to do more cardio

Yes, they will help you determine which category you fall into, explain the mechanics of it all and suggest a couple of shoes that will suit your feet.

[RayBot]

Just in case you guys are interested....me and my friend are hosting a fundraiser tomorrow...this is our main fundraiser prior to the BMO Van Marathon.

This is tomorrow.

I made a post about it here on RS, but here's the shorty of it.
$10, all you can eat pasta, Canucks vs. Sharks, lots of prizes, Legends Pub.

All proceeds to charity.
More details, the facebook page is here with all the prizes:
http://tinyurl.com/showdownfundraiser

[azncreationz]

How's everyones running coming along? Sun Run, if you're into that, is in a couple weeks...and BMO Vancouver Marathon is coming up quick!

[RayBot]

So stoked for the BMO Vancouer Marathon. Hoping to hit 4hrs this time.....

Last year, weighed 208lbs going into it, this year, i should be at 195. Now with my new Asic Kayano 17s!

[etodac]

Bump

Looking for a pair of Nike Dual Fusions. They were the comfiest runners I've ever worn but they were a bit pricey for me so I didn't buy them. Anyone know where I can find them for cheaper or other recommendations for runners? What I loved about them was that they breathed and had great support for my heels.

[RayBot]

The Nike Dual Fusions are super comft...but i wouldn't say its good compared of a lot of other runners, if you are looking for a long distance run.

The heel supports might feel great when you're trying them on and walking around in it...however, once you start doing longer runs, the cushioning may be TOO much for your heel supports to handle.

I use the Vomero 6's, which use the same bottom cushioning as the dual fusions, but not the top cushioining...However, because i run a lot, i don't care much of heel supports, so i don't care that the Vomero 6's hardly have any. But they are a very comfy, and airy.

If you want something with a better support...then the Pegasus...i think thats what it is. The NIKE site is fucked up...so i can't remember what it is.

Outside of Nike, a lot of runners like to go with Asics. Personally, i tried the Asics that was recommended for my type of feet....HATED IT. Went back to my Vomeros.

[RayBot]

Considering this is 1/3 related....

Is anyone planning to do the Vancouver Triathlon on Sept 3?

[etodac]

The Nike Dual Fusions are super comft...but i wouldn't say its good compared of a lot of other runners, if you are looking for a long distance run.

The heel supports might feel great when you're trying them on and walking around in it...however, once you start doing longer runs, the cushioning may be TOO much for your heel supports to handle.

I use the Vomero 6's, which use the same bottom cushioning as the dual fusions, but not the top cushioining...However, because i run a lot, i don't care much of heel supports, so i don't care that the Vomero 6's hardly have any. But they are a very comfy, and airy.

If you want something with a better support...then the Pegasus...i think thats what it is. The NIKE site is fucked up...so i can't remember what it is.


How are the Vomero 7's compared to the 6's?

[RayBot]

Wish I could tell ya! If i get into new runners, i am very likely to choose the Vomero 7's, or if i wait till next year, the Vomero 8s.

But between the 4's and 6's....its treated me well.

[instantneedles]

Hmm, im not much of a runner, but would be interested in doing the nb fall classic, would it be suitable for an amateur? Im a relatively fit guy but just havent really gotten myself too involved in endurance running.

[acrophobia]

Hmm, im not much of a runner, but would be interested in doing the nb fall classic, would it be suitable for an amateur? Im a relatively fit guy but just havent really gotten myself too involved in endurance running.

If you dedicate youself to a training program for a month or two, you could definitely be ready for the half. Make sure to get yourself a good pair of runners and a training plan, and you're good to go. I also find training much easier with a partner/group, so see if you can find a friend to run with or join up with a local club.

[BossFrancis]

Going to take up running again since I'm not doing much these days. Does anyone know a good place to run except on the sidewalk near the PNE area? I hate crossing the streets or waiting for the light so I can cross and proceed.

[RayBot]

Hmm, im not much of a runner, but would be interested in doing the nb fall classic, would it be suitable for an amateur? Im a relatively fit guy but just havent really gotten myself too involved in endurance running.

The NB Fall Classic is an awesome event. Well organized, and hot chili served after....and cheap massages.

[socialenemy69]

Just started running last week for the first time in a while. Managed decent time of 22:44 mins for 3.78km on a nature trail with hills and also did a 5km run today in 25:46. I know those aren't WR times but Im actually motivated to run which is good. Been keeping track with the Runkeeper app on my phone.

[mr_chin]

Where is a good place to run that doesn't have traffic lights, sidewalks and pedestrians? I know Killarney has a track, anyone know anywhere else that is good?

[RayBot]

Where is a good place to run that doesn't have traffic lights, sidewalks and pedestrians? I know Killarney has a track, anyone know anywhere else that is good?

A treadmill.


Where do you live, and how far are you willing to drive?

[mr_chin]

Treadmill gives me a big head rush after, feels like I'm about to faint. I live near central park but it's not very continuous.
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[RayBot]

Then you should try Deer Lake/Burnaby Lake area.

Central Park has markers for the Terry Fox run, so you should be able to do an easy continuous 5km run.

[instantneedles]

i love it when i get the chance to go out for a nice run in the residential areas... it's hard to really get some good enuf weather for that tho nowadays

[acrophobia]

I've been coaching cross country for the past few months and running with the team so my workouts have been short and fast. Decided to see how I would hold up on a longer run and made it to 18km, but now feel like someone took a sledgehammer to my quads. Hooray for vitamin-I :)

[wingies]

how the hell do you guys keep warm when running? Clothing in general

I find that my hands are freezing the most, was thinking of investing in some running gloves or something? Any thoughts on that?

[urrh]

i don't have a problem with the cold generally. in fact i went running in the morning yesterday wearing shorts and a t-shirt. it's cold at first but it doesn't take long to warm up. my hands take a bit longer so i wear a pair of running gloves.

[acrophobia]

how the hell do you guys keep warm when running? Clothing in general

I find that my hands are freezing the most, was thinking of investing in some running gloves or something? Any thoughts on that?

My hands get cold if my core temp gets too cold. To keep that from happening, I use:
-a thin toque
-wicking shirt + fleece half-zip + windbreaker jacket
-windbreaker style pants (I find them much warmer than tights, especially if there is any wind)
-fleece gloves/mittens

Last winter I used the gear above in temps down to -20 and was quite comfortable. IMO you will be much more comfortable being a little over-dressed than under-dressed. Also keep in mind that you don't need to drop a ton of $ on running-specific gear; the toque I use is the same one I use under my ski helmet, the fleece half-zip was $5 at Zellers and the pants were $20 at Winners....save your $ for a decent pair of shoes.

[Isaiah11]

wish I had the will power to overcome boredom when running on the treadmill

[CorneringArtist]

No idea why, but I only have drive to run when it's cold as hell out, and even then in shorts, and UA Heatgear to keep my upper body warm. I used to run 5k comfortably, but after not doing it for a while, I might have dropped off a bit. The treadmill and indoor running just aren't the same.

[Isaiah11]

running on pavement is really taxing on my knees, does that mean it burns significantly more calories?

[urrh]

running on pavement is really taxing on my knees, does that mean it burns significantly more calories?
i would say it's negligible.

[RayBot]

running on pavement is really taxing on my knees, does that mean it burns significantly more calories?

Nope...but it can mean a few other things.

1. You're too heavy to be running (which is not an issue, because in due time, running can help you lose weight)

2. you're striking the ground too hard

3. you're striking the ground incorrectly

4. your knees haven't been trained to take that impact (yet)

5. your shoes may not be sufficient for comfort and/or stability.



All 5 of these items are easy fixes. I say....keep on running on the pavement. Running can be an awesome pastime.

[Isaiah11]

I hear working out your knees is essential even if you're a seasoned runner

rumor or truth?

[acrophobia]

I run and race often and have never done knee-specific workouts, but as I get older I am having to be better about stretching after runs and using the foam roller for i-t bands and other tight spots.

[RayBot]

I hear working out your knees is essential even if you're a seasoned runner

rumor or truth?


Hmmm...i wouldnt say its rumor or tuth. Sure, if you have stronger knees, then it will likely benefit you. But what good is it if you have strong knees and still well overweight? On top of that, strong knees can only go so far from all the way to a quick run to a 6km run. But when you are doing 1hr+ distances, strong knees still get tired and start grinding. Its more essential to have proper running shoes over working out your knees.

[acrophobia]

But when you are doing 1hr+ distances, strong knees still get tired and start grinding. Its more essential to have proper running shoes over working out your knees.

This is very true. If I try to run my shoes past their usable limit, I am guaranteed sore knees and hips. Figure out if you are a neutral/over-pronator/under-pronator stride and buy shoes accordingly. If you have access to a treadmill, you can film yourself and email to runningwearhouse.com for a free gait analysis. Learning Center - Footwear (http://www.runningwarehouse.com/LearningCenter/footwear.html?video=FOOT03)

[RayBot]

This is very true. If I try to run my shoes past their usable limit, I am guaranteed sore knees and hips. Figure out if you are a neutral/over-pronator/under-pronator stride and buy shoes accordingly. If you have access to a treadmill, you can film yourself and email to runningwearhouse.com for a free gait analysis. Learning Center - Footwear (http://www.runningwarehouse.com/LearningCenter/footwear.html?video=FOOT03)

Isaiah:
Actually....now that Acrophobia has mentioned, and you were talking about strength in joints....

Its more beneficial to work out your HIP FLEXORS rather than your knees. If you ask me, working out your hip flexors is essential, even if you're a seasoned runner.

[Tapioca]

Ran the Fall Classic half-marathon for the first time yesterday. My training plan was half-assed and I still finished in a respectable 1:47 and change. I basically did 2 runs a week - a tempo and a distance run. On a steady stream of Advil right now and I will be using a foam roller for the next couple of days.

It's time for a new pair of shoes. I ran the race with a pair of Brooks Ghost 3s and the Ghost 4 is available on Amazon for $65. Awfully tempting...
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[acrophobia]

^Congrats, that's a great time on 2x week training!

Also check runningwarehouse.com (http://www.runningwarehouse.com/) for great deals on shoes, liquidation shoes are another 15% with coupon code FB15D. I have purchased lots of gear (and have some more on the way right now!) and their customer service is always fantastic.

My kid has been waking up just after 5 am and I decided to have a nap on the floor this morning, on my ride side....and wouldn't you kow it, my right hip was really tight on the run to work. Sleep in, kiddo, sleep in!

[Leopold Stotch]

hey guys, any suggestions for jackets for running? i will be using it all year round

[RayBot]

^^ Get your ass to the Nike Outlet in Burlington or Tulalip!

The same running jacket i was about to buy was 50 bucks from $110 over here.

[acrophobia]

hey guys, any suggestions for jackets for running? i will be using it all year round

Running Warehouse has a Cyber Monday sale with some nice jackets on sale...Men's Cyber Monday Specials (http://www.runningwarehouse.com/catpage-CYBM12MENS.html)

[Leopold Stotch]

lol thanks guys, but any suggestions on what to look for? i haven't bought a windbreaker since 1999, when they were in style

[acrophobia]

lol thanks guys, but any suggestions on what to look for? i haven't bought a windbreaker since 1999, when they were in style

I'm a fan of a light wind jacket over other layers; this allows you to take off the jacket and stash it in a pack or even a pocket if you get too warm.

If you want to shop locally, MEC has a great jacket in the TACE (http://www.mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/RunningAndFitness/MensClothing/PRD~5020-552/mec-tace-jacket-mens.jsp)

I bought one on sale last year and was skeptical since the jacket is so lightweight, but it does a great job blocking wind and retaining heat without making you soggy. I wore it in windy -20 last winter (with a long sleeve wicking shirt + fleece half-zip underneath) and was surprisingly comfortable. The jacket also survives well being crushed with little wrinkling. Keep in mind that it is not a rain jacket, although it will keep you dry in light drizzle.

[azncreationz]

lol thanks guys, but any suggestions on what to look for? i haven't bought a windbreaker since 1999, when they were in style

I'm currently running in a Sugoi Versa jacket. The sleeves come off, and turns it into a vest which is handy. There's others like the Salomon XT jacket that have zip off sleeves.
Here's a few others that are reviewed:
Running Jackets | Run The Line.com (http://www.runtheline.com/976/running-jackets#)

I was also previously running in a MEC jacket which was fine. MEC is good since you can return/exchange it if you're ever not satisfied.

[Leopold Stotch]

thanks guys,

any recommendations on something in between my dri fit shirts and jackets that doesn't soak much sweat up? i think fleece might be over kill in this weather.

[RayBot]

thanks guys,

any recommendations on something in between my dri fit shirts and jackets that doesn't soak much sweat up? i think fleece might be over kill in this weather.

Dude....THIS is what you want!! They were giving these away at a low price during the Fall Classic at UBC, and this is what I wear all the time when I run in the fall!! Very comfortable, very snug, very mobile, and warm. Also, it has water repellent material, so you can run with it in light rain without getting yourself soaked. Not recommended for regular/heavy rainfall.


New Balance Long Sleeve Half Zip (http://www.newbalancevancouver.ca/mens/clothing/new-balance-long-sleeve-half-zip.html)

[Leopold Stotch]

^ i sort of want to get something like that + this

Nike LIVESTRONG Vapor Jacket Mens - SportChek.ca (http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=13029956&cp=3733352.3733675.3748596.4247285)

or this Nike LIVESTRONG Windrunner Jacket Mens - SportChek.ca (http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=13029946&cp=3733352.3733675.3748596.4247285)

and just wear a t shirt underneath, problem is i really dont' know how it'd feel in this weather without trying it.

[acrophobia]

IMO, go for something fairly lightweight. Having a heavy jacket that bounces makes for a less enjoyable run.

Raybot- how is the sleeve length on that NB 1/2 zip? I'm long and lean (my wife would say skinny) and find jackets that fit me in the chest usually have sleeves that are too short.

[RayBot]

^ i sort of want to get something like that + this

Nike LIVESTRONG Vapor Jacket Mens - SportChek.ca (http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=13029956&cp=3733352.3733675.3748596.4247285)

or this Nike LIVESTRONG Windrunner Jacket Mens - SportChek.ca (http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=13029946&cp=3733352.3733675.3748596.4247285)

and just wear a t shirt underneath, problem is i really dont' know how it'd feel in this weather without trying it.

If you were to choose between the two, i'd choose the first one.

The second one is pretty heavy. Its good that its warm and all, but then when you sweat, it feels gross and and sauna-ish when you're running. Not to mention, it will feel heavier with the sweat.


The first jacket with a good dri-fit would suffice for most weather conditions.

[RayBot]

IMO, go for something fairly lightweight. Having a heavy jacket that bounces makes for a less enjoyable run.

Raybot- how is the sleeve length on that NB 1/2 zip? I'm long and lean (my wife would say skinny) and find jackets that fit me in the chest usually have sleeves that are too short.

The material of the 1/2 zip is SUPER stretchy. Theres also thumbholes at the end of the sleeves, so pretty much, the end of the sleeves will wrap right over your knuckles without losing comfort.

[Leopold Stotch]

If you were to choose between the two, i'd choose the first one.

The second one is pretty heavy. Its good that its warm and all, but then when you sweat, it feels gross and and sauna-ish when you're running. Not to mention, it will feel heavier with the sweat.


The first jacket with a good dri-fit would suffice for most weather conditions.

i had a feeling i bought the wrong thing, plus it's bright fucking blue hahaha

[Tapioca]

^ i sort of want to get something like that + this

Nike LIVESTRONG Vapor Jacket Mens - SportChek.ca (http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=13029956&cp=3733352.3733675.3748596.4247285)

or this Nike LIVESTRONG Windrunner Jacket Mens - SportChek.ca (http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=13029946&cp=3733352.3733675.3748596.4247285)

and just wear a t shirt underneath, problem is i really dont' know how it'd feel in this weather without trying it.

If you're going to pay full retail for something like that, you might as well go all out and buy this:

light as air jacket | lululemon athletica (http://shop.lululemon.com/products/clothes-accessories/men-we-made-too-much/Light-As-Air-Jacket-MD?cc=4466&skuId=3452057&catId=men-we-made-too-much)

I've bought gear from various companies over the years - Nike, New Balance, and Lululemon - and I would say that Lululemon offers the best balance in terms of fit, fabrics, construction, and aesthetics.

If you're going to buy other brands, head to Winners. You'll save like 50% off the retail prices. Never pay full retail for New Balance, Nike, etc.

[acrophobia]

39:10 10k today, not bad for the first race of the season. A lack of speed work over the winter made 4 min kms way harder than they were a few months ago ;)

[Wilso09]

Just started to running...my ankles and knees have never hurt so much!

Any tips for someone just trying to get a great 1.5 mile time?? Haha
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[Renxo]

Just started to running...my ankles and knees have never hurt so much!

Any tips for someone just trying to get a great 1.5 mile time?? Haha
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run faster

[acrophobia]

Just started to running...my ankles and knees have never hurt so much!

Any tips for someone just trying to get a great 1.5 mile time?? Haha
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Speedwork 2x or 3x per week. Run 200/400/800 m repeats at the pace you want to keep for the 1.5 miles, with <1 min easy jog between sets; this will get your body used to running fast. Then run some easy 3/4/5 kms 2x or 3x per week.

[unit]

bump. anyone running much this summer?

[azncreationz]

^ very little, too hot out, although I did participate in the Pt. Grey Triathlon this past weekend, and have a 10km race this upcoming weekend. To be honest, running has taken a back seat to cycling and swimming during the summer, but I've got to get running again soon. Got a few more races to complete this year.
And I might be leading the half-marathon clinic group in the fall at the BBY Running Room, so come on out and join me for a run!

[unit]

im actually part of the richmond 10k clinic, but i find it a bit too relaxed so im not enjoying it that much.

if i could get to bby reliably by 630 then i would join your half clinic.

[Mr.HappySilp]

bumping an old thread. Any beginning tips for jogging?
My leg/back was injury a few years ago so I didn't do much exercise. Now my back is better I started jogging to get back into shape. It seems I am always out of breath way too soon. My legs doesn't feel tired but I can feel my throat and lungs hurting so I have to stop and rest. I don't think I am going too fast since my legs aren't tired at all.

[RayBot]

throat and lung pain will go away with tolerance.

If you're injury prone....the only advice that you need is get a good pair of running shoes.

[m3thods]

Yep RayBot is right- the throat and lung stuff you need to keep working on.

Good running shoes are a must- I used to run on Nike trainers/Frees, and they're definitely not the right shoe for me. If you're game, read on the differences between neutral/stability/motion control types of shoes and try a bunch on (don't forget to do a light jog in them in store). Ankle/knee pain is almost non-existent now that I've picked up a good pair of running shoes fit for my running habits.

Also, since you're just starting out again I'd suggest running in set intervals to have a better idea on how you're progressing. Something like a "run 5 mins walk 1 min x 4 reps" program can quickly tell you where you're at with your running stamina. Too easy? Bump up the running portion or reps. Too hard? Do the opposite.

I never thought I'd say this, but I actually look forward to running nowadays.

[EndLeSS8]

I started running last year to slim down for my wedding

First week of running was painful ughh

Get a good pair of running shoes and take it at your own pace. Don't push yourself too hard, let your body adjust.

[m3thods]

I started running last year to slim down for my wedding

First week of running was painful ughh

Get a good pair of running shoes and take it at your own pace. Don't push yourself too hard, let your body adjust.

Hah that's almost the exact reason I started (I'm doing Tough Mudder which is a month before wedding, so it's a double whammy).

Also something to note- make it a habit to stretch after running. Start at ankles and move your way up. Foam roll if you have one lying around as well. Your body will not only thank you in the long run, but it will help you recover from general tightness/soreness after runs.

[heleu]

Anyone doing the BMO half or full marathon on May 3?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Yep RayBot is right- the throat and lung stuff you need to keep working on.

Good running shoes are a must- I used to run on Nike trainers/Frees, and they're definitely not the right shoe for me. If you're game, read on the differences between neutral/stability/motion control types of shoes and try a bunch on (don't forget to do a light jog in them in store). Ankle/knee pain is almost non-existent now that I've picked up a good pair of running shoes fit for my running habits.

Also, since you're just starting out again I'd suggest running in set intervals to have a better idea on how you're progressing. Something like a "run 5 mins walk 1 min x 4 reps" program can quickly tell you where you're at with your running stamina. Too easy? Bump up the running portion or reps. Too hard? Do the opposite.

I never thought I'd say this, but I actually look forward to running nowadays.

Currently using a pair of Nike Flex Fury. Seems decent but I still like to run on Nike Free (that's what I use before).

[chin3se604]

I ran today for the first time in years. Ran from Science World to Cambie Bridge and back. I found it too short, so i ran to Burrard Bridge and back. Man False Creek is beautiful! Will try to make this a weekly thing and hit some food joints along the way.

[Euro7r]

Good weather these days. Perfect for running. I like to jog around my neighbourhood, usually 30minutes - 1 hour on weekends.

[EndLeSS8]

Great running weather, been running with friends now

I might get a new pair of shoes, I have 1 pair of Mizunos and like them.

What do you guys like/use?

Usually run 2x a week, about 5 to 7 km each time.
Pace is about 5:30min - 6min per KM

[acrophobia]

I run 6-7 days per week and swear by having 2-3 pairs of shoes in my rotation. Older shoes are reserved for shorter runs and fresh shoes for weekend long runs. Having shoes everywhere drives my wife crazy but keeps me healthy (knock on wood!)

I do the majority of my training in lightweight, moderately cushioned shoes. I'm really liking the Nike Zoom Elite and New Balance M890, relatively light but enough cushioning for 20+ km runs and I can usually get 750+ km before my knees get sore. I think the next pair to try will be the Brooks Launch, and I'd like to try a pair of Hokas to see what the hype is about.

I do speed work/racing in New Balance MR1400v2s, great shoes that are cheap online.

(I have no affiliation with this company but check runningwarehouse.com; their sale prices are great and free shipping/return shipping makes trying shoes painless)

[twitchyzero]

if you're neutral pronation..asics gel nimbus are highly rated
really happy with my nimbus 13 with superfeet blue insoles

[unit]

i rotate 3 shoes too, but lately i mostly wear my kinvaras and newton distance.
i tried some hokas last month at the store and they do feel pretty cool, the cushioning is intense.

any trail runners here?

[ae101]

bump

i was invited to group run tomorrow night but i might not make it, so i was thinking about it and hope to gun for next week

what are some things i need to watch out for? we are not running track or street (i thinks like square that leads to a opera house and museum)

there is about 30 ppl in this group run

also wondering what kinda of bags do u guys recommend for running (looking for types), as i do carry 2 phones, keys with lanyard and thick wallet (im quite use to carrying bag when i go out)

i have not ran in years and i thought this would be a great way to get in shape as well as meet new ppl (i use to run with my dad in minoru track in morrnings once a week)

[IMASA]

I dunno about other folks, but when I run, I tend not to carry anything with me except for keys, and I usually use my "running key fob" which only contains the bare min # of keys I need to make it home.

[unit]

do you really have to carry stuff when you run?
i just carry $20, drivers license, car key (if i drove), and thats it.

you just need enough to get through the run then back to your house or car anyway, and it's not like you're going to pick up your phone mid run. why bring it all?

[ae101]

i live in China now, so i mostly need my 2 phones, wallet, $100 cnd in cash (china a cash society) and my keys (4 keys)

plus im also afraid of losing things, thats why

[acrophobia]

i live in China now, so i mostly need my 2 phones, wallet, $100 cnd in cash (china a cash society) and my keys (4 keys)

plus im also afraid of losing things, thats why

I'd go with some kind of waist pack. Things will bounce a little, but if you keep the belt tight then it should be tolerable. Plus you could put it under your shirt if security is a concern.

I run home from work daily with a Dakine backpack and I'm quite used to it, but a pack would be overkill for what you are carrying.

[azncreationz]

Just a heads up, for those who like Brooks, or those who want to try Brooks shoes. They currently have a 90 day trial (True Blue Guarantee) promotion going on. Usual guarantee is 30 days. I believe the promo goes til Dec. 31st.
Basically, buy any new model Brooks shoes, go run in them for 90 days...and if you don't like them, you can return them for a refund. I guess they have that much faith you'll like them, but I'm sure there are those who will take advantage of the promo. This may apply to apparel as well! And I'm sure some of us can put enough mileage in within 90 days to wear out the shoe!
You can either buy through their website, Brooks Running Shoes and Apparel | Brooks Running.com (http://www.brooksrunning.com), which currently has free shipping/free returns over $75 to Canada. Or visit any authorized dealer, such as Running Room, Run Inn, Rackets & Runners, etc.
FYI, Running Room had 25% off Brooks this weekend for Black Friday, you can try asking for that if you go into store. YMMV. I picked up a new pair of Adrenaline GTS 16's, looking forward to putting some mileage on them.

[racerman88]

My preference of shoes are the Asics Gel Kayano's.
Good stability and cushioning. Good selection of different widths.
Sports chek in Metrotown had a pair of the Gel Kayano 20's on sale for $129.99. I think it was an in store special.
They have the GT 3000's on sale right now for $99.99, from $179.99

[acrophobia]

Ran this afternoon in 10 degrees and a setting sun...no toque, no gloves, BC interior. Hard to believe it's December!

[DragonChi]

I'm thinking of doing the seawall around this time. Will long sleeve nylon clothes be enough to stay warm?

I'm on the fence between Asics Nimbus or Nike Vomero 10, in 2e width, but I can't find the Vomero in 2e in Canada. Anyone of a Canadian retailer that'd carry it?

[unit]

i quit running this yr, too much heartache in injuries.

usually if its around 5-10 degrees, i'll run in shorts, a longsleeve, and a thin toque. sometimes i'll bring a ultralight jacket to help cope with the first 15-20m.

if its about 10 or warmer, shorts and a thin longsleeve or shortsleeve is enough.

[DragonChi]

stress fracture? tendinitis? Sucks to hear that dude. Hope you'll have a speedy recovery.

FYI, I found a site that carries and searches for shoes in wide (2E) size. It's also a Canadian site based out of Ontario.

Running Free Canada (http://www.runningfree.com/)

[acrophobia]

Got in my first 10k race of the season and was 1 second off my p.b. Time to get back into some speed work and crush that time in the next one. ;)

[unit]

stress fracture? tendinitis? Sucks to hear that dude. Hope you'll have a speedy recovery.

FYI, I found a site that carries and searches for shoes in wide (2E) size. It's also a Canadian site based out of Ontario.

Running Free Canada (http://www.runningfree.com/)

thanks bud, i had a stress fracture 2 years ago that put me out for 6 months.
ive just been having a tightness in my arch lately that feels uncomfortable then develops into pain after about 20m. i can sort of cope with it if i switch more to a midfoot landing instead of my usual forefoot, but at this point i'm just fed up with my foot problems. rather focus my time and energy into my other activities :(

[azncreationz]

If you're a size 8.5, you might want to jump on this deal.

M870V3-D Mens (http://ca.shop.runningroom.com/sale-1/shoes/m870v3-d-mens.html)

[DragonChi]

Vancouver Sun Run tomorrow!

GL ya'll

[hypediss]

Anyone's got flat feet can confirm if those naked running shoes help strengthen my feet? An avid runner but from time to time my feet aches during the initial stretches of my runs.

Want to correct my feet and I heard running "naked" helps - i.e. either running on those ugly glove like shoes or bare

[4444]

Anyone's got flat feet can confirm if those naked running shoes help strengthen my feet? An avid runner but from time to time my feet aches during the initial stretches of my runs.

Want to correct my feet and I heard running "naked" helps - i.e. either running on those ugly glove like shoes or bare

i have said ugly glove shoes (you can get less ugly ones), I can't speak for flat feet, but it helped my ankle and knee problems as it forces you to run on the ball of your feet - fucking kills your calves for the first little while.

give it a go, when i travel i take them with me for gym use (takes less space in suitcase), so even if you don't like them to run in, you will still get lots of use of the years.

[mk1freak]

i've got flat feet and best piece of advice i got when running is to relax your toes. (also applies when walking)

I never noticed it before but when it was brought up I found i did indeed "grip" with the toes when active (no matter what shoe i was wearing).
relaxing it helped strengthen the correct muscles and alot of my foot pain and issues went away.
might be worth a shot to see if this helps.

[racerman88]

Go to kintec and get their opinion. They are very knowledgeable.


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[UFO]

Anyone's got flat feet can confirm if those naked running shoes help strengthen my feet? An avid runner but from time to time my feet aches during the initial stretches of my runs.

Want to correct my feet and I heard running "naked" helps - i.e. either running on those ugly glove like shoes or bare

They'll strengthen your foot muscles over time and help make you more resilient. Make sure you gradually get used to them though, you'd fail miserably if you just started at the gym and started lifting 4 plates right of the bat right? But they WON'T correct your feet, like how wearing glasses can't correct your vision

[unit]

if your foot just hurts in the first little bit i don't think theres anything wrong with that.
if it goes away and you don't ache the next day i'd say everything is working pretty good.

[DragonChi]

I've heard good things about Kintec as well. They do gait analysis from what I've been told.

[herman]

Anyone's got flat feet can confirm if those naked running shoes help strengthen my feet? An avid runner but from time to time my feet aches during the initial stretches of my runs.

Want to correct my feet and I heard running "naked" helps - i.e. either running on those ugly glove like shoes or bare
If you pronate avoid the bare running style shoes. I have flat feet + pronation. For short runs (20 mins) they're fine. When I extended the duration to 50 mins my ankles swelled. A visit to a sports med Dr. set me straight - pronation requires arch support that bare runners can't provide.

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[acrophobia]

What about a low drop shoe with some cushion? Lots of brands are coming out with ~4mm drop shoes (Saucony has more than a few and Altra is 0mm drop); this type of shoe might help your foot strike to become more natural, and having some cushioning won't leave your legs feeling trashed. I tried some zero drop and almost zero cushion New Balance shoes last year and just couldn't run in them without feeling beat up.

[unit]

i only run in low drop shoes, 4mm or under and i do think it promotes a midfoot/forefoot strike. my first pair were kinvaras and they are good shoes but i think they feel a bit restrictive. i like shoes that feel a little more loose in the last, so my last 2 pairs were newton distance IIIs and pearl izumis. highly recommend the pearls! best shoes ive ever owned, and i've been through a fair bit! super roomy, doesn't trash your achilles too bad, and promotes a good landing. also they have 3 models in trail and road, n0, n1, n2. i think theres even an n3 now for high cushioning (ultra runners).

[EndLeSS8]

It's probably not a big deal for all of you hardcore runners, but I got my best 10km time during the Sun Run!
52 mins 52 seconds, down from 55 minutes from last year
And I actually didn't train much this year, because I've been working out in the gym a lot more compared to running.

Side note, man, it's HARD to improve if you're not running regularly

[DragonChi]

Cross training is the way to go from what I've heard. Squats, lunges, deadlifts all help with speed IMO. Though, they're all technical lifts, so it's really important to get form down when doing them. Otherwise, the risk of injury is very real.

[unit]

strength is pretty important for a good 10k! i know guys who are fit but not runners and run mid 40s. that being said running high weekly mileage helps too, and is the key to getting to half marathon shape.
if you wanna get to the low 40s then you probably need both, or just a ton of weekly mileage. also good genetics starts to kick in at that point.

[DragonChi]

What's high mileage? I find I was doing 40k a week at one point but my knees started to feel inflammed. I might start running that mileage again but at a slower pace. Especially since it's summer weather.

[unit]

well i can only speak for myself, and i'm not a very genetically blessed runner, but i was running about 48m 10k without any weight training and on about 40k per week. i topped out at 55k per week when training for a half and ran it in 1:46.

55k felt pretty high for me.. i mean that's 4 days a week with a 20k, 15k, and two 10ks.
not really sustainable for most people unless you're really serious about races... 30-40k is more sustainable for most. try to run on steep hills or trails once a week. you can get a better workout and without as many miles.

[acrophobia]

I'm in my 3rd season of running competitively and find that frequency/mileage are the most important factors to running faster. For the past 2.5 years I've been in the 50-70km per week, 5-6 days per week range and have seen my 10k times drop from ~42 mins to 36 flat.
This year I've upped the intensity and try to include speed and tempo workouts each week, but I've found it tough to do this without feeling fatigued all the time. I do some upper body strength training but, like unit, hit the hills or trails to address leg strength. I tried adding squats but found that it made my legs tired, which then meant that I couldn't hit the running workouts that I had planned in the days after.

[EndLeSS8]

holy crap OMG you guys are all crazy runners....

I'm pretty please with my weight loss/gain in muscle mass/cardio since I started running =>working out
But man, you guys are really intense...

I don't think I can actually do hardcore marathons because of pains and injuries. I overexcerted my left foot twice and pulled a tendon (planar facilitis) and it really hurt
When I run 10km, by the 7th or 8th km, my left foot goes numb. It goes away after 1 or 2 km
I DO stretch before and after running.

[DragonChi]

Yeah, anyone in the 40s to 50s for 10k is super fit I find.

I've been running for 3 years now, and I'm at about 1hr, 10k. First year was like 1:20, second was 1:05, this year was 59:35.

But I don't run for the timing/stats/race, I run because it feel freak'in awesome after. As long as I keep improving I'm happy. Eventually, the hope is to get to 40min 10ks, but I'm not too worried about getting to that goal super fast.

Also, for me I prioritize strength training over endurance. So it's good to hear about that non-runner super fit thing.

[unit]

acro, that's super impressive! i can't seem to stay injury free when running over 40k per week. my feet are always a problem.

dragon, what are your 5k times? 5k is an even better indicator of overall strength.

[acrophobia]

Yeah, anyone in the 40s to 50s for 10k is super fit I find.

I've been running for 3 years now, and I'm at about 1hr, 10k. First year was like 1:20, second was 1:05, this year was 59:35.

But I don't run for the timing/stats/race, I run because it feel freak'in awesome after. As long as I keep improving I'm happy. Eventually, the hope is to get to 40min 10ks, but I'm not too worried about getting to that goal super fast.

Also, for me I prioritize strength training over endurance. So it's good to hear about that non-runner super fit thing.

I concur! I get cranky if I don't run for a few days. ;)

[acrophobia]

acro, that's super impressive! i can't seem to stay injury free when running over 40k per week. my feet are always a problem.

dragon, what are your 5k times? 5k is an even better indicator of overall strength.

Thanks! I keep telling myself that I need to tone it down, but my times are dropping and it's addicting.

I'm sitting here typing with some big blisters between my toes from a long run on Tuesday, so I hear you about feet. I've been lucky about avoiding major injury, but I have random pains/muscle soreness all the time. I'm certainly right on the edge of what my body can handle. The elite marathoners that do 100+ mile weeks for years on end...amazing.

[Adorkami]

Signed up for the seawheeze so I've been trying to get in shape to beat my wife's time. Been running on the treadmill for 20 - 30 minutes and stationary bike for an hour to try and strengthen my knees. Any tips for someone who doesn't have cartilage in their knees? Also any recommended underwear to stop chaffing?

[DragonChi]

acro, that's super impressive! i can't seem to stay injury free when running over 40k per week. my feet are always a problem.

dragon, what are your 5k times? 5k is an even better indicator of overall strength.

I'm pretty linear when it comes to running, 160 BPM HR, about 32 min 5ks at 1.5 incline.

My best 10k was a MEC race, in richmond where it was all flat, 55mins.

Signed up for the seawheeze so I've been trying to get in shape to beat my wife's time. Been running on the treadmill for 20 - 30 minutes and stationary bike for an hour to try and strengthen my knees. Any tips for someone who doesn't have cartilage in their knees? Also any recommended underwear to stop chaffing?

The best cushioning shoes I have ever ran in are Adidas Energy Boost ESM (on my third pair of running shoes), techfit + their boost foam is like running on clouds. They're a little soft for some but they're so comfortable, I ran a half marathon for fun in them last year because nothing hurt. This was on cushy track material too.

With those shoes, I pair it up with merino wool socks made by point6. The extra cushioning from the socks really help with blisters. As long as your feet don't get too hot. Bottom foot blisters anyways. For side foot blisters, I find that double layer socks are the best. They have them at MEC.
Hiking Tech Medium Mini Crew - Point6 (http://point6.com/collections/socks-for-outdoors/products/hiking-tech-medium-mini-crew)

All this running sub 50 time, and injury talk is going to make me paranoid. lol. But damn, I agree with acro, it's addicting!

[TheSalesman]

Joined a friend for the sun run last week with just a few days notice.
I didn't do any training before and didn't run for 15 years.
Did it in 1:08 and was sore has hell and sprained my left ankle/foot.
Seems to have recovered now.

[DragonChi]

Nice! Sounds like you gave 'er. That's a great time for no training!

[DragonChi]

So I tried trail running this weekend. Ended up mostly hiking Lynn Valley to Grouse and back. About 20k. Yep definitely felt like running a marathon. Pretty slippery, went down twice, wasn't bad though, not even a scrape. Weather was great though! Cold enough not to sweat or have bugs. Tough on the knees and great for conditioning ankles it seems because of the uneven terrain. Lynn Valley always feels so touristy though. The occasional person out there without manners really annoys me.

[unit]

nice, i've done a portion of the baden powell as well, just from deep cove to the suspension bridge.

you should try the lynn loop up in lynn headwaters park, that's an awesome run! it's only about 5k but is slightly technical. if you want a little longer you can run straight up north to norvan falls! adds about 10k and is more technical but you can take a dip in the falls in the summer.

[acrophobia]

59:01 for a 16.1km (10 mile) race this morning. Me and a friend were keeping the leader in our sights but I blew up at 14k and had to let them go. No way to describe the last few kms other than brutal (and I still have a headache 8 hrs after the finish). Running can be fun and feel great, and other times be nothing but pain ;)

[unit]

trying to set a PR after going out too fast is a soul sucking feeling.. some of my most painful memories

[azncreationz]

Annual sidewalk sale is now on down at the Burnaby Running Room at Market Crossing. Some good deals to be had, especially on clothing.

[acrophobia]

Anyone here still racing? A busy June on our local circuit with a 5k, 15k, and 10k in consecutive weekends and then almost a month off. The upcoming 10k is Saturday evening and the forecast is for 33 degrees...could be a very painful one.

[unit]

I'll prob reg last minute for a few of the 5 peaks races, but no road races for me this yr

[cctw]

Anyone have a discount code for the BMO Marathon in May?

much appreciated.

[DragonChi]

Membership Online Purchase Steve Nash Fitness World | Steve Nash Fitness World and Sports Club (http://www.snclubs.com/join/)

Steve Nash Fitness has corporate sign up under them, mouse over the BMO marathon for details.

[cctw]

code is not updated on the site though..use SNFC2017

[haha13]

Anyone did the BMO marathon today?

First time doing full, hit a wall at 30km and had to walk all of it.... finished at 5:37 lol