[fliptuner]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/930749--100-sled-dogs-shot-when-b-c-tour-business-slows-after-olympics

WHISTLER, B.C.—An official of the SPCA in British Columbia says word of a slaughter of sled dogs in Whistler warrants a criminal investigation.

Marcie Moriarty, general manager of the group’s cruelty investigations, says the description of the April 2010 incident is an “absolutely criminal code offence,” although there is no indication a police investigation is underway.

Documents obtained by CKNW radio reveal about 100 healthy sled dogs were killed in a mass slaughter in Whistler last April 21 and 23.

According to the WorkSafe B.C. documents, an employee of Outdoor Adventures Whistler has been compensated for post-traumatic stress disorder after being ordered to shoot the animals.

The documents reveal bookings for dog sled tours collapsed after the Olympics and when the company could not find homes for its animals, it ordered the cull.

Outdoor Adventures Whistler did not contest the details in the WorkSafe documents except to indicate that the injured worker claimed to have killed 70 dogs, but 100 were actually destroyed.



Seriously, WTF!!

There are so many people out there that would help in the effort to place these dogs yet they just decide to put them all down. I want to see what the investigation shows.

[Jayhall]

If someone would have told me "we need a home for these dogs or they are going to be killed" I would have had two dogs laying on the bed with me right now

[Gumby]

Who could imagine this kind of crap happening in a 1st world country... :(

If I was the employee, I'd tell my boss to go screw himself!

[StylinRed]

Marcie Moriarty, general manager of the group’s cruelty investigations,

hmm...



as for the issue the company DID try to find homes for the dogs prior to killing them and if they tried to find homes for the dogs im assuming they must have contacted the SPCA who would eventually kill the dogs themselves

[SkinnyPupp]

hmm...



as for the issue the company DID try to find homes for the dogs prior to killing them and if they tried to find homes for the dogs im assuming they must have contacted the SPCA who would eventually kill the dogs themselves
You think they just go "oh I guess nobody wants these" then kill them all?

[Alphamale]

I hear sled dogs, if they are indeed real sled dogs are a different breed....not particularly well domesticated.

[PuYang]

if they failed to find homes for the dogs, couldnt they have held some kinda charity and gather donations to continue housing these dogs?

obviously i dont know the full story, or the extent of their effort (if any) to care for these dogs.

but im definitely willing to donate some money to keep 100 dogs alive ;[

[TheNewGirl]

I hear sled dogs, if they are indeed real sled dogs are a different breed....not particularly well domesticated.

This is true. Still there is a need for trained sled dogs in different places in the world.

This is disgusting. As someone who's been involved in animal rescue on and off for a decade I can say surely that they didn't try very hard to find homes for these dogs as I have seen what dog rescues will do to mobilize if they're told 'these dogs will die if they aren't rehomed' and it's absolutely amazing how fast they can organize a railroad (different rescuers taking a few dogs each for different legs of the trip) to get animals across the country or even internationally to safety or to a rescue or what have you. Additionally I'm fairly certain someone would have given them funding to care for the animals until someone could take them. :(

[Jsunu]

What I don't get is why they had to shoot the dogs too? Money issue? It would be much more humaine to at least put them to sleep with a vet.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

damn, 100 dogs shot.


somebody needs to be shot too

[TheNewGirl]

What I don't get is why they had to shoot the dogs too? Money issue? It would be much more humaine to at least put them to sleep with a vet.

They claim no vet would do it.

Which should have been a red flag that they were doing something wrong.

[dachinesedude]

i have no sympathy for the worker who got ordered to do the killings

and he got compensated by WCB for post tramatic stress too! thats the big WTF for me

[spyker]

i have no sympathy for the worker who got ordered to do the killings

and he got compensated by WCB for post tramatic stress too! thats the big WTF for me

This was posted today on another local forum I frequent,a member called this sick fuck and this was what he said.

" I phoned the guy, Kelly who
did the shooting and he just
laughed! He said he got paid
well to do that and now gets
to get compensation from the
government!
He said he was going to get
laid off, because of a work
shortage and they were actually
asking for volunteers! Said it was
as easy as shooting fish in a barrel!
He actually is an idiot! Feel free
to call him.Not sure of his address
but he is on the north side of ..........
around ........a yellow rancher
house with a veranda...
His number is: 604............... Kelly "

[gloors]

This is an utterly disgusting act. Like yeah I get the point that your not making money anymore but couldn't you have just sent these dogs somewhere else where they would be a use for someone say like up in Alaska or something? Like fuck, I have no sympathy for him at ALL. I hope he goes to jail n dies from the ass raping he gets. :@
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[spyker]

This sick fuck also had to slit their throats in some cases and or chase them down after only wounding them.

This kelly guy is in for a shitstorm once more people find out where he lives and what he looks like.

[TheNewGirl]

They have really good coverage of this on the CBC right now, including an SPCA spokesperson.

[El Bastardo]

I think posting this Kelly guy's information was completely the wrong thing to do.

No matter what his attitude was to killing the dogs and being "compensated for PTSD", he didn't deserve to have his personal information put out there. He may be a flippant douche according to that forum post, but hes still a person.

There are some truly unbalanced people out there and sometimes all they need is (what they believe is) an excuse to go over the edge and hurt someone. This is a human being who may be in serious danger.

[spyker]

Tachy,the personnal info has now been removed from the site where it was originally posted,if you want me to also remove my post with the quotes,just let me know.

[MindBomber]

I have no sympathy for the shooter, his information should be spread across the internet to make him suffer in retribution for the suffering he caused innocent animals. The person had the option to refuse his boss's instructions, but he chose to carry them out and now he WILL suffer the consequences one way or another.

The execution of the animals occurred only seven weeks post winter Olympics and only five weeks post special Olympics, which leads me to believe they made no effort to adopt out the animals since the final tourists were only just departing at that point.

[Manic!]

Can someone explain the difference between a cow and a dog?

[Manic!]

If someone would have told me "we need a home for these dogs or they are going to be killed" I would have had two dogs laying on the bed with me right now

There's lots of dogs at your local shelter in you want one now.

[Psykopathik]

Can someone explain the difference between a cow and a dog?

a cow is delicious between two buns and a slice of cheese. Not sure about dog.

[PuYang]

a dog can potentially serve humans, such as "seeing eye dogs" for blind people, police dogs trained to sniff out drugs and track down criminals and find missing people. dogs also make for a very loyal and friendly pet/companion.

cows stand there and eat grass.

please dont interpret what i said as not caring for cows, because i think killing all animals for no reason is bad. but alot of cows are raised with the intention of milking or killing for beef and other things. dogs are not.

[spyker]

cows stand there and eat grass.

I take it that you don't know that in other parts of the world,the cow is considered a sacred animal.

[PuYang]

^sorry forgot lol ;[

i am biased because im christian... and... yeah... the whole golden cow thing... sorry xD

[Nightwalker]

I'm a dog lover, our last was a rescue that was going to be put down. The owners were terrible and caused all the bad behavior. Love that little bugger, he's great now!

That said, it looks like they solved their problem. There is no lack of dogs out there.

[MindBomber]

Can someone explain the difference between a cow and a dog?

The difference between the two species is the degree of affection they generally choose to show humans, and in turn the value society places on their lives.

Anyone who truly loves animals however, doesn't see any difference between the two.




cows stand there and eat grass.



Thats the perception imposed on society to prevent people from placing a value on the lives of a staple food source, cows aren't that friendly towards people, but they show a lot of affection towards one another and have distinct unique personalities.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Can someone explain the difference between a cow and a dog?

yes, we're aware there is a double standard, like many other things in our society

[TheNewGirl]

yes, we're aware there is a double standard, like many other things in our society

There are also plenty of us that make the choice, at considerable expense to buy cruelty free meat products to spare the cows and chickens from undue suffering as well. Yes they still die, but there are free range animals that experience a far better quality of life at least while they are alive. And also many many people who are vegatarians or vegans not because they really really like salad but because they don't believe it's wrong the way we treat animals across the board.

[BNR32_Coupe]

There are also plenty of us that make the choice, at considerable expense to buy cruelty free meat products to spare the cows and chickens from undue suffering as well. Yes they still die, but there are free range animals that experience a far better quality of life at least while they are alive. And also many many people who are vegatarians or vegans not because they really really like salad but because they don't believe it's wrong the way we treat animals across the board.

Well, yeah, if you want to get all politically correct on me, we can consider the 2% population who'd drop a premium to enjoy a guilt-free cheeseburger. Mind you, I'm talking about the generally accepted social norms we've established in this country today. And that's what the double-standard presents itself as: killing dogs to conserve funds = bad, cheap burgers = okay.

Realistically, this particular set of dogs didn't have to die: they could've been sent somewhere up north and given to an inuit family who'd use them for dog sledding.

[TheNewGirl]

Yes, that's true. But that portion of the population is growing rather quickly. In fact ethical products are one of the fastest growing retail trends be it environmentally friendly products, organic foods or cruelty free foods. The trend is the population moving in that direction. A good one IMO.

But you're right. The population generally is gentler towards animals we live close to. Most people don't know how insanely smart pigs are (much, much smarter than your dog), because then they wouldn't eat bacon, and such. Dogs = Friends & Pseudo-Children, Cows = Nummy Food and Belts.

As you said, and as many animal rescuers have said on the coverage of this, this wasn't a forgone conclusion. One of the people who had had contact with the dogs even stated that these were a more socialized breed of huskies than normal sled dogs and probably could have integrated into rural homes as well as being shifted to sled jobs else where.

[Death2Theft]

You heard wrong, sled dogs are probally the MOST domesticated dogs out there. They are trained to work with humans and to live with the human pack. How much more domesticated can they be? What do you think they just strap up wild feral dogs to the sleds and then suddenly they will work as a pack/team? If you couldn't train them they would just fight each other or run in different directions instead of pulling a sled. You gotta be kidding me.
I hear sled dogs, if they are indeed real sled dogs are a different breed....not particularly well domesticated.

[El Bastardo]

Tachy,the personnal info has now been removed from the site where it was originally posted,if you want me to also remove my post with the quotes,just let me know.



Nah. You're not the person who originally posted his info. They're the ones in the wrong, not you. Theres no personal information here so its not a big deal.

I think they crossed a serious line when they did tho

[BNR32_Coupe]

You heard wrong, sled dogs are probally the MOST domesticated dogs out there. They are trained to work with humans and to live with the human pack. How much more domesticated can they be? What do you think they just strap up wild feral dogs to the sleds and then suddenly they will work as a pack/team? If you couldn't train them they would just fight each other or run in different directions instead of pulling a sled. You gotta be kidding me.

exactly! what kind of tard doesn't think you could put a dog that's used to running for kilometers into a 700 sq ft apartment and take it for a walk once a day?

[bengy]

You heard wrong, sled dogs are probally the MOST domesticated dogs out there. They are trained to work with humans and to live with the human pack. How much more domesticated can they be? What do you think they just strap up wild feral dogs to the sleds and then suddenly they will work as a pack/team? If you couldn't train them they would just fight each other or run in different directions instead of pulling a sled. You gotta be kidding me.

You obviously haven't read White Fang / Call of the Wild

[spyker]

Nah. You're not the person who originally posted his info. They're the ones in the wrong, not you. Theres no personal information here so its not a big deal.

I think they crossed a serious line when they did tho

That's a relief,I made sure I edited the asshole's address & phone number before I submitted my post.

[MindBomber]

Sled dogs are a well domesticated and established breed with many long pedigrees, they aren't a group of wolf-cross muts running around in the snow that could be considered barely domesticated.

They are NOT suited to live in urban environments, however. They are a breed meant to exercise and work long hard days and without that stimulation they're miserable, much like border collies.

hear sled dogs, if they are indeed real sled dogs are a different breed....not particularly well domesticated.

[Lomac]

You heard wrong, sled dogs are probally the MOST domesticated dogs out there. They are trained to work with humans and to live with the human pack. How much more domesticated can they be? What do you think they just strap up wild feral dogs to the sleds and then suddenly they will work as a pack/team? If you couldn't train them they would just fight each other or run in different directions instead of pulling a sled. You gotta be kidding me.

Sled dogs are pack animals, pure and simple. Yes, they're trained to be friendly with the handler, but they are by no means a simple, domesticated dog that you can let run free in a dog park (hell, or even your backyard). They still retain a high sense of independence and require a strong "leader" (ie: you) even after a lot of training. A true sled dog requires a lot of work to simply keep happy; they're definitely not something you pick up because you like the looks of it.

One of my old neighbours had a sled dog team and they were quite ferocious. As a kid, we weren't allowed anywhere near them.

[MindBomber]

You obviously havent read White Fang / Call of the Wild

You obviously didn't comprehend what you were reading.

White fang is wolf cross and Buck is a Saint Bernard/Scotch shepherd cross, neither of which are breeds being referred to.

[Hondaracer]

Huskies in general are pretty mean dogs, no family is going to take on one of these sled dogs as a pet, that wouldnt happen regardless of conditions.

with that said it obviously wasnt the right thing to do, but these dogs cant just be handed out for pets.

[optiblue]

it's a horrible thing to do... they probably didn't choose the vet path since it cost more

[Vansterdam]

Wow that's like slughtering 101 dalmations
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[StylinRed]

You think they just go "oh I guess nobody wants these" then kill them all?

what? no.... i just knew there were going to be a tonne of "oh how can they just up and kill 100 dogs" so i reiterated the obvious point that they did try to find homes for them

[StylinRed]

Sled dogs aren’t pets and adopting them out would have been a difficult process, requiring trained handlers to step forward.

But that’s still no excuse for what took place, said Rich Bittner, owner of Canmore’s Howling Dog Tours.


but i just read a few more details on the conditions they were killed in

Though it’s legal to kill pets and livestock in B.C., it must be done in a humane manner.

If the WorkSafe BC documents are correct, that didn’t happen.

The report is sickening, with passages describing a dog with half its face shot off still running in fear, and another dog still crawling around 20 minutes after taking a bullet.

ugh.... that's horrible

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/columnists/michael_platt/2011/01/31/17104521.html

[bengy]

You obviously didn't comprehend what you were reading.

White fang is wolf cross and Buck is a Saint Bernard/Scotch shepherd cross, neither of which are breeds being referred to.

Because those books only talk about one kind of dog right? I referenced those books in regards to sled / pack dogs. :stfu:

[EmperorIS]

damn they just killed them ??
should at least eaten them

[RFlush]

If someone would have told me "we need a home for these dogs or they are going to be killed" I would have had two dogs laying on the bed with me right now

There are literally hundreds of dogs that get put down every year due to no one wanting them at the SPCA. If you are this concerned, I really suggest you go to your local SPCA and adopt a dog there.

[Death2Theft]

If you go out for a walk once a day, then getting a dog is the last thing you should do. Maybe get yourself a goldfish, while u sit around on the couch and grow your gut. How about pairing a dog with all these stupid jogger chix that u hear get murdered? Wouldn't happen with ole sledhead beside u.
exactly! what kind of tard doesn't think you could put a dog that's used to running for kilometers into a 700 sq ft apartment and take it for a walk once a day?

[Death2Theft]

When was the last time you heard about a husky killing or maiming someone the way pitbulls do, yet I see way more pitbulls out there than huskies.
Huskies in general are pretty mean dogs, no family is going to take on one of these sled dogs as a pet, that wouldnt happen regardless of conditions.

with that said it obviously wasnt the right thing to do, but these dogs cant just be handed out for pets.

[Manic!]

[QUOTE=Death2Theft;7287124 yet I see way more pitbulls out there than huskies.[/QUOTE]

Think about that real hard.

[BNR32_Coupe]

If you go out for a walk once a day, then getting a dog is the last thing you should do. Maybe get yourself a goldfish, while u sit around on the couch and grow your gut. How about pairing a dog with all these stupid jogger chix that u hear get murdered? Wouldn't happen with ole sledhead beside u.

come on, 1 walk a day is the standard for the average pooch (some statistician's going to quote this and correct me with "ahh, actually, the average pooch requires 1.47 walks per 24 hour cycle"). im talking about a full hour walk, not just around the back yard.

you need to focus on life rather than taking your dog to a different park 3 times a day.

[LiquidTurbo]

a cow is delicious between two buns and a slice of cheese. Not sure about dog.

It might be quite good, you never know. Just sayin'.

[ThunderDRAGON]

this story is so sad :(

[LiquidTurbo]

While I have no problem with the fact the dogs had to be put down, shooting them in the face I'm not cool with. Lethal injection via vet clearly should've been the answer.

[Hondaracer]

When was the last time you heard about a husky killing or maiming someone the way pitbulls do, yet I see way more pitbulls out there than huskies.

the majority of owners of pitbulls are also rocking ed hardy shirts and treating their dogs like shit

I had a Husky for 8 years before he died, he was very well trained but it's well known that huskies have a fairly mean temperament, and as has been said in this thread they have a pack mentality, as they typically only listen very well to one person.

[Hondaracer]

While I have no problem with the fact the dogs had to be put down, shooting them in the face I'm not cool with. Lethal injection via vet clearly should've been the answer.

straight up if my dog bit some kid or something and i had to put him down, imo i think i'd rather go somewhere private and shoot him myself than take him to a vet and have him live in complete terror for the last minutes of his life.

with that said, it doesnt really apply to 100 dogs

[StylinRed]

if they were shot in the head pb it wouldnt have been so bad but obviously the guy doing the shooting wasn't prepared for it mentally so he, like he said, he chased some of them around and shot them multiple times


I am surprised though that the dogs didnt attack him, he even held some of them while slitting their throats

its quite sad, makes you think about cows, chickens, animals for fur pelts etc


eh ive got the flu i think im extra sensitive and grouchy to be discussing anything lol

[Death2Theft]

Because huskies are in the news mauling people? No it's because they require more excersize.

[spyker]

the majority of owners of pitbulls are also rocking ed hardy shirts and treating their dogs like shit


Ah the stereotypes soon come out.

I have 3 pitbulls and I certainly don't own any article of clothing that says "Ed Hardy" on it.I also know plenty of people who own pitbulls too,none of them are mean to their dogs or wear "Ed Hardy" clothing.

I treat my dogs better than I treat people.

[spyker]

When was the last time you heard about a husky killing or maiming someone the way pitbulls do, yet I see way more pitbulls out there than huskies.

Alot of those cases are not reported,yet the pitbull bites/attacks are,why? Cause it's news and that's what sells newspapers.Nobody wants to hear of a golden retriever attacking someone.

Pretty much any breed is capable of attacking and causing serious harm on people and other animals.

[- kT]

heard about this on the kid carson show this morning

apparently the dogs were killed via a shot to the head, and some weren't dead after they had been shot and tried to crawl away and stuff. such a sad and disturbing story, especially in our modern day world

[MindBomber]

come on, 1 walk a day is the standard for the average pooch (some statistician's going to quote this and correct me with "ahh, actually, the average pooch requires 1.47 walks per 24 hour cycle"). im talking about a full hour walk, not just around the back yard.

you need to focus on life rather than taking your dog to a different park 3 times a day.

There is no "average" amount of exercise required for a dog, each breed has it's own very unique needs. A breed of dog that falls into the toy variety such as a Pekingese or a Chihuahua might be healthy with 1.47 walks per day; A dog that falls into the working varieties like an Alaskan Malamute, Great Pyrenees or Siberian Husky needs hours of exercise every day to stay happy and healthy.

[StaxBundlez]

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/whitefang.jpg

[Death2Theft]

Not true, as cesar milan has suggested giving a dog a backpack with weight to carry tires him out too if you do an hour walk.
There is no "average" amount of exercise required for a dog, each breed has it's own very unique needs. A breed of dog that falls into the toy variety such as a Pekingese or a Chihuahua might be healthy with 1.47 walks per day; A dog that falls into the working varieties like an Alaskan Malamute, Great Pyrenees or Siberian Husky needs hours of exercise every day to stay happy and healthy.

[Death2Theft]

Bullshit certain breeds are more prone to mauling and killing kids than others. Huskies are not known to maim/kill humans. I mean this guys offing 100 of them and they were biting his arms according to the sun. If thats the best they could do.... yeah thats not exactly a killer u got there.
Alot of those cases are not reported,yet the pitbull bites/attacks are,why? Cause it's news and that's what sells newspapers.Nobody wants to hear of a golden retriever attacking someone.

Pretty much any breed is capable of attacking and causing serious harm on people and other animals.

[spyker]

Not true, as cesar milan has suggested giving a dog a backpack with weight to carry tires him out too if you do an hour walk.Cesar Milan is one of the last people I would ever take dog training advice from,his training is crude,old world and outdated,his favorite method/tool to train dogs is a electric shock collar.Did you know Cesar has killed a few dogs in his compound already,due to his training techniques.

Bullshit certain breeds are more prone to mauling and killing kids than others.

Name one breed of dog that was specifically bred to have the instinct to maul and kill kids.

[threezero]

Cesar Milan is one of the last people I would ever take dog training advice from,his training is crude,old world and outdated,his favorite method/tool to train dogs is a electric shock collar.Did you know Cesar has killed a few dogs in his compound already,due to his training techniques.



Name one breed of dog that was specifically bred to have the instinct to maul and kill kids.

there is alot of hate on cesar, alot is spread by the "new school" trainers, especially since alot of them don't have a tv show. Where is you source about him killing his dogs in his compound from training? (accidental and natural death does not count)

In defense of shock collar. It is just a tool if use properly it will do no more harm than a choke collar or a pinch collar. I have a german shepherd that had aggression problem that were made worst by imporper use of choke/pinch collar (the persistent pain made him ever more aggressive). We switch to shock collar and now he is a gentleman and super well behave, 4 years and counting with no incidents.

Like all training method shock collar is not magic and in the wrong hands it can ruin dog but completely dismissing caesar's method just because he uses shock collar??? :rolleyes:

yea caesar is old school. he didn't attend any fancy dog training school, what he advocates is the pack mentality. Dogs didn't suddenly evolve over the years to have complex logic and reasoning. They instinctively follow their leaders. Caesar's method is not really training, it is just teaching human how to be pack leaders and that what you should be to your dogs.

If you notice Caesar doesn't not know how to teach dogs to do aglity, police training, dancing etc. He just advocates being a good pack leader. Lacking a strong pack leader is the source of almost all dog behaviours anyways and that wat caesar specializes in.

Honestly if all you want is a well behave dog you do not need all the mumble jumble "new school" training methods, all you need is to be a strong pack leader. Getting a dog is behave for you becuz it respects you is always better than getting the dog to behave becuz you have a treat for it.

[threezero]

Also want to point out that majority of the husky kept as pets are from the show dog lines that values looks over working ability. vesus the REAL sled dog huskies that might not look so pretty but can work work work and is often too much dog for regular pet owners to handle.

[spyker]

Also want to point out that majority of the husky kept as pets are from the show dog lines that values looks over working ability. vesus the REAL sled dog huskies that might not look so pretty but can work work work and is often too much dog for regular pet owners to handle.

That is exactly why I have a problem with dog shows,it's more important for a dog to look a certain way,rather than what they are bred to do.Alot of the dogs these days have their instincts bred out of them,just so they can achieve a more show quality standard.

A good example is the German Shepherd,they keep breeding them with the drop leg lowrider style strictly for the show scene,knowing all too well it causes nothing but hip problems.

[spyker]

there is alot of hate on cesar, alot is spread by the "new school" trainers, especially since alot of them don't have a tv show. Where is you source about him killing his dogs in his compound from training? (accidental and natural death does not count)

In defense of shock collar. It is just a tool if use properly it will do no more harm than a choke collar or a pinch collar. I have a german shepherd that had aggression problem that were made worst by imporper use of choke/pinch collar (the persistent pain made him ever more aggressive). We switch to shock collar and now he is a gentleman and super well behave, 4 years and counting with no incidents.

Like all training method shock collar is not magic and in the wrong hands it can ruin dog but completely dismissing caesar's method just because he uses shock collar??? :rolleyes:

yea caesar is old school. he didn't attend any fancy dog training school, what he advocates is the pack mentality. Dogs didn't suddenly evolve over the years to have complex logic and reasoning. They instinctively follow their leaders. Caesar's method is not really training, it is just teaching human how to be pack leaders and that what you should be to your dogs.

If you notice Caesar doesn't not know how to teach dogs to do aglity, police training, dancing etc. He just advocates being a good pack leader. Lacking a strong pack leader is the source of almost all dog behaviours anyways and that wat caesar specializes in.

Honestly if all you want is a well behave dog you do not need all the mumble jumble "new school" training methods, all you need is to be a strong pack leader. Getting a dog is behave for you becuz it respects you is always better than getting the dog to behave becuz you have a treat for it.
Honestly,I really don't want to get into a heated debate over Cesar Milan,he's just not worth it to me.

.......but I will add this,there is nothing wrong with the shock collar when used properly,but when a dog trainer like Cesar uses it exclusively to train dogs and then so far as to claim it was all because of his training methods,that's what I have a problem with.

[MindBomber]

Not true, as cesar milan has suggested giving a dog a backpack with weight to carry tires him out too if you do an hour walk.

Or you could be a responsible dog owner and not take an animal you can't care for properly into your home. Responsible owners exercise there dogs to keep them happy, not to tire them out so they're a good sleepy dog.

[MindBomber]

Bullshit certain breeds are more prone to mauling and killing kids than others. Huskies are not known to maim/kill humans. I mean this guys offing 100 of them and they were biting his arms according to the sun. If thats the best they could do.... yeah thats not exactly a killer u got there.

Certain breeds are more likely to attract irresponsible owners, who train their dogs to be aggressive, it has much more to do with owner than the breed itself.

If they were that aggressive do you think they would be giving tourists rides around whistler?

[rsx]

Or you could be a responsible dog owner and not take an animal you can't care for properly into your home. Responsible owners exercise there dogs to keep them happy, not to tire them out so they're a good sleepy dog.

RE: backpack

It's not about tiring them out, it's about giving the dog a sense of purpose, a "job" it's also an efficient way to exercise them.


I have a german shephered and instead of walks or jogs, I ride my bike. It's much faster plus, she seems to prefer trotting than walking human speed anyway.

[Jayhall]

There are literally hundreds of dogs that get put down every year due to no one wanting them at the SPCA. If you are this concerned, I really suggest you go to your local SPCA and adopt a dog there.

My last dog came from a shelter in Pemberton, they got him off the reserve. Shepard, huskey and black lab mix as it seems they dont do their part in controlling the pet population. I figure I am probably a couple months away from talking my landlords into having a dog at my place. I know where I'll be looking. Who knows, maybe a can trade an indian a 8 pack of Pilsner tall boys for one of his puppys

[kevin7352]

"Documents show at least one dog had its eye hanging out of the socket after surviving being shot in the face. The canines panicked as they watched the others being killed, and some tried to attack the worker."

[Jayhall]

lol, Im confused. Everyone says adopt a dog, I state that Ive already done so and I get failed for it?? Someone enlighten me

[Hondaracer]

Ah the stereotypes soon come out.

I have 3 pitbulls and I certainly don't own any article of clothing that says "Ed Hardy" on it.I also know plenty of people who own pitbulls too,none of them are mean to their dogs or wear "Ed Hardy" clothing.

I treat my dogs better than I treat people.

Stereotypes are there for a reason, 80% of pitbull owners buy them because they want the image, I like pitbulls they are very nice dogs in the hands of the right owner, but its just ignorance to think that that vast majority of pitbull owners are actually respectable, dog loving people, go take a drive through surrey, delta, east van and Prett much anyone you see walking a pitbull the first thing that comes to mind is "typical"
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[The_AK]

I wonder if shooting dogs is part of their outdoor adventures activities?

Although they probably shouldn't have SHOT the dogs in the face, I can understand that it must have been incredibly difficult financially. I mean try to feed 100 dogs for a week. Sad nonetheless.

[TheNewGirl]

straight up if my dog bit some kid or something and i had to put him down, imo i think i'd rather go somewhere private and shoot him myself than take him to a vet and have him live in complete terror for the last minutes of his life.

with that said, it doesnt really apply to 100 dogs

Having recently had to put a family pet down Hondaracer, this isn't the experience at all. In fact it's rather calm, usually the animal is given a sedative and is very relaxed and the whole process is much more painless and less terrifying than being shot at and risk what happened to these poor animals which is surviving the first blow and dying both in pain and fear.

[Gumby]

Having recently had to put a family pet down Hondaracer, this isn't the experience at all. In fact it's rather calm, usually the animal is given a sedative and is very relaxed and the whole process is much more painless and less terrifying than being shot at and risk what happened to these poor animals which is surviving the first blow and dying both in pain and fear.
Yeah, I watched the vet put my collie down in Nov 2009, and the process you describe is pretty much exactly what happened. Terrifying for me, but not so much for my dog. :(

[Greenstoner]

sad story bro



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Q038nM18M

[Ch28]

straight up if my dog bit some kid or something and i had to put him down, imo i think i'd rather go somewhere private and shoot him myself than take him to a vet and have him live in complete terror for the last minutes of his life.

Watch this video - especially the part where they're at the vet and tell me that isn't the most peaceful and humane way of putting down your beloved pet & best friend.

Last Minutes with ODEN on Vimeo

[MindBomber]

My last dog came from a shelter in Pemberton, they got him off the reserve. Shepard, huskey and black lab mix as it seems they dont do their part in controlling the pet population. I figure I am probably a couple months away from talking my landlords into having a dog at my place. I know where I'll be looking. Who knows, maybe a can trade an indian a 8 pack of Pilsner tall boys for one of his puppys

lol, Im confused. Everyone says adopt a dog, I state that Ive already done so and I get failed for it?? Someone enlighten me

Adopting a dog is fantastic, every dog I've ever had has been adopted from a shelter and I don't think I would ever get a dog any other way.

The native alcoholic stereotype is why your being failed.

[Jayhall]

Adopting a dog is fantastic, every dog I've ever had has been adopted from a shelter and I don't think I would ever get a dog any other way.

The native alcoholic stereotype is why your being failed.

I dont think I implied that...... I trade beer for stuff all the time. Someone has a part in their garage they dont really want, I give them a 6 pack for it. At my old place my landlord would give me a bottle of polar ice when ever Ipaid rent early. Does that make me an alcholic? Someone comes over to help work on my car or truck, I put a 12 case infront of them. Hell Ive even had my windshield replaced for the cost of a 8 pack of tall boys. Better fail all of North America because they traded with indians when they came here.

Maybe some people aren't aware but an indian reservation isn't exactly a nice place for a dog to be raised. ACCORDING TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN PEMBERTON, dogs are beat, tied up, rarely fed and overall treated like shit. People dont care about them there, thats why they end up eating out of the garbage. Generally puppies are a way to common thing, as no one has had their dogs spade or netered. If you can get a dog of the reso, give it a loving home with a full plate of food, walks every day and a back yard to play in, you are doing just as good a job as adopting from a shelter in my eyes. Like I said, thats where my last dog came from and this is what the shelter told me about dogs from the reservation. Not something I made up because of stereotypes.

Either way it doesnt matter, I guess its not a fun joke unless someones offended. Fact still is I cant wait to adopt my next puppy, even if I trade peices of paper with some old lady on them for it. Thanks for at least telling me what you didnt like about my post. This place needs more men

[MindBomber]

^If I had any thanks less today, I would give you one for accepting the criticism like a man; To many people on this site childishly revenge fail people.

Better fail all of North America because they traded with indians when they came here.Trading firewater with natives was a practice meant to deliberately harm them, it's not a point in history anyone is proud of and it's a big part of whats caused the problems on reservations today. The chug, alcoholic native stereotype just gets really old after hearing it enough times, but if that wasn't you intention then fail removed.

ACCORDING TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN PEMBERTON, dogs are beat, tied up, rarely fed and overall treated like shit. I can't vouch for that reservation as I haven't personally visited it, but it's best not to generalize. I've been on many reserves and had varying experiences, some are well maintained with a clean population and others are terrible places to live. Pemberton is pretty remote, so I don't doubt that the stories you've heard are true.

[Hondaracer]

Im not sure which reservation this was, but it was somewhere in the interior

The stray dog/animal problem was getting so bad that it was causing disease, etc.

the local SPCA/government gave the reservation 500 FREE vouchers for a spay/neuter which normal costs somthing like $60 or w/e

they said over the next 2 years, TWO vouchers were used..

[Hurricane]

Im not sure which reservation this was, but it was somewhere in the interior

The stray dog/animal problem was getting so bad that it was causing disease, etc.

the local SPCA/government gave the reservation 500 FREE vouchers for a spay/neuter which normal costs somthing like $60 or w/e

they said over the next 2 years, TWO vouchers were used..

Yeah, because the rest were traded away for 6 packs of tallboys :whistle:

[kungpow]

but alot of cows are raised with the intention of milking or killing for beef and other things. dogs are not.

So you are saying if my dogs are raised with the intention of killing for meat and other things, it is still okay to have them killed then?

Why is everyone making a big fuss about this? Why not talk about the people that died in the Egypt protest? What about chickens, do we not give a fuck about them?

[Noir]

So you are saying if my dogs are raised with the intention of killing for meat and other things, it is still okay to have them killed then?

Why is everyone making a big fuss about this? Why not talk about the people that died in the Egypt protest? What about chickens, do we not give a fuck about them?

We are. There's an even bigger thread in this very same sub-forum talking about the Egypt Protest; and maybe not chickens specifically but the discussion between dogs vs. livestock has already been covered with the example of cows and geese.

Talk about about a massive holier-than-thou failure right there.

[kungpow]

We are. There's an even bigger thread in this very same sub-forum talking about the Egypt Protest; and maybe not chickens specifically but the discussion between dogs vs. livestock has already been covered with the example of cows and geese.

Talk about about a massive holier-than-thou failure right there.

So why spend our tax dollars investing this bullshit?

[Hondaracer]

So why spend our tax dollars investing this bullshit?

it's all about the perception

people like dogs, dogs get killed in a "cruel" manner that people look at as disgusting etc. public outcry demands an investigation even though in the end, what you are going to find is about as much as anyone could imagine, some dead dogs and a guy who killed them

it's the same shit with all the gang shootings etc. all about public perception, how many people have been shot/killed out in public places, in all those times not one innocent bystander has even been put in the line of danger, yet public perception demands more police presence, new laws, etc. which in the end, do very little, as will the dog investigation.

[Noir]

So why spend our tax dollars investing this bullshit?

First of all, your primary response was not a criticism of "need for investigation" rather than a criticism of the rhetoric between "killing livestock vs. killing dogs."

Secondly, if charges of animal cruelty are to be laid or not requires an investigation. The determination of laying charges or not aren't supposed to be willy nilly so there goes the response to your "why is an investigation neccessary"

Oh, and BTW, this is far from the similarity of the Pickton case so I doubt investigating animal cruelty will run near the millions in costs. I don't imagine any exhumation requirements, so I'm guessing it's just probably a bunch of social workers interviewing people of interest within the case.