[RiceIntegraRS]

Gordon Ramsay Documentary on Shark Fin Soup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-OWHHTcsSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mAjQAypCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDb_c8edwDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLdMFHJtIE

ive honestly never had it myself, or not that i can remember. Is it really that good?

[Rogue951]

it's not good for the taste. Cause it has none. It's for the texture and supposed health benefits of it.

The taste of it is all in whatever broth it's cooked in.

[Derek_N84]

Yup, it has no taste. Its about the texture, health benefits and the status of eating it. Personally as a Chinese person, I'm not a fan of this dish.

[Wongtouski]

^ Biggest problem: Everyone in China making any decent money will want to eat Shark's fin, at this rate it'll be extremely difficult to curb their tastes.

[MindBomber]

I don't want to offend anyone, because this is an honest question to those with more insight into the culture than myself.

Why is it that Asian cultures are so willing to continue consuming products that are decimating populations of endangered species?

[Xnova86]

^social status.

[rsx]

Ramsay's still annoying even if he's doing a serious piece.

[Wongtouski]

I don't want to offend anyone, because this is an honest question to those with more insight into the culture than myself.

Why is it that Asian cultures are so willing to continue consuming products that are decimating populations of endangered species?

They don't have that concept at all. Take for example people in China, they wouldn't even think twice about getting a car even if it means polluting the planet, they haven't had the "joys" of prosperity long enough to see the potential damage they may be causing. You really have to hammer it in their head to make them understand.

[sil3nt]

i have a feelings that they will eventually sell shark fin again even though they support ramsay opinion

[J____]

i love the taste of the soup. but I'd be glad to give it up after being educated on the matter. If the taste remain the same anyway without the fin, even better!

[Energy]

Apparently Gordon was doused with petrol and threatened at gunpoint by Taiwanese mafia when he was filming. I haven't had shark's fin soup in a long time and don't plan on eating it again.

[Groot]

i came in here thinking that gordon ramsay was going to be eaten by a shark rofl. iirc, i think some chinese restaurants here were stopped selling sharks fin too.

[CharlieH]

Apparently Gordon was doused with petrol and threatened at gunpoint by Taiwanese mafia when he was filming. I haven't had shark's fin soup in a long time and don't plan on eating it again.

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/tv/2011/01/03/16738641-wenn-story.html

[Ch28]

I don't want to offend anyone, because this is an honest question to those with more insight into the culture than myself.

Why is it that Asian cultures are so willing to continue consuming products that are decimating populations of endangered species?

No offense taken.

The only reason that Chinese people eat this is for the social status of eating something expensive.

That's why you'll see families shelling out $$$ for shark fin soup or abalone during banquet weddings or family dinners. Having shark fin or abalone on the menu represents wealth because you're able to afford it for everybody. I personally don't get the whole hoopla around those two items but I guess it's just another one of those stupid things Chinese people do. We're materialistic assholes like that.

[satek]

Good watch....I honestly don't think shark fin soup is all that good.

[StylinRed]

abalone shark fin birds nest... biggest pile of garbage but its like Chinese Bling so :rolleyes:


there's a lot of Fake birds nest, abalone, shark fin too made out of starch etc etc etc since they're such profitable items

[TOS'd]

I just had some tonight. Yummy.

[AzNightmare]

Don't want to be a dick, but it was TLDW.
Coles note?

From reading the comments,
Ramsay wants to ban shark fin soup because sharks are an endangered species?

I know at night market, they sell the fake shark fin soup, which people love,
and it's so popular there. They keep jacking up the price each year and people
swarm that place.

Maybe that's a good alternative?? I like both the real and the fake, and I can't tell
the difference... although I probably haven't had the real shark fin in a long time to
remember how it's like.

[viet-boi69]

I think it's just all a marketing scam (for lack of a better word). If enough people believe in it...people will buy it...set it at a high price..then it becomes a delicacy enjoyed by those who can afford it...and the hype just keeps spiraling.

Stopping a few restaurants is a good start, but there will always be many more who want to make a profit off selling the soup on their menu. Until legal bans are actually made, it will continue to be sold and people will continue to make a lot of money off it

[G]

A lot of younger generations are learning more about the results of shark fin soup and have usually stopped eating it. However, for older parents and grandparents, who wouldn't like some delicacy before you can't have it anymore?

While planning for a wedding, the owner of a chain of Chinese restaurants in Vancouver told us that a large majority of younger couples have switched shark fin soup out of the banquet menu. For us, we took it out as well and we replaced it with birds nest for no extra charge! :)
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[Sandman]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/very-awesome-shark-t591469.html?t=591469&

an older thread on a related documentary, very well done.

[EmperorIS]

so first we can't eat dogs ... now we can't eat shark fins

http://image.tradevv.com/2008/03/25/mirranda_27331_600/cattle-slaughter-equipment-line-in-china.jpg

but this is ALRIGHT because its ALLLL WHITE

fucking hypocrites

[goo3]

You know who I think eats shark fin? Lin. Remember her? Ghost lady :troll:

[Derek_N84]

so first we can't eat dogs ... now we can't eat shark fins

but this is ALRIGHT because its ALLLL WHITE

fucking hypocrites

Umm yeah how about you go and eat dog ...I'll stick to my steak.

[Matlock]

^social status.

+1

It's usually not for taste or texture, it's for the social status to be able to afford such luxuries. I've eaten tons of shark fin and abalones with my gf's family and do not see the price being worth it.

[Vansterdam]

shark fin soup here i come for new years!

[lowside67]

so first we can't eat dogs ... now we can't eat shark fins

http://image.tradevv.com/2008/03/25/mirranda_27331_600/cattle-slaughter-equipment-line-in-china.jpg

but this is ALRIGHT because its ALLLL WHITE

fucking hypocrites
Listen closely my intelligence challenged friend, the reason why cows are okay and sharks are not are twofold:

1) Cows are not endangered and there is no danger of us losing them as a species and the functions they provide for the natural environment.

2) Killing cows is not nearly as wasteful - by weight almost 80% of a cow is used in some form while only 5% of a shark's weight is used, the rest discarded.

But yeah, keep telling yourself it's because white people like cows and asians dont. :stfu:

-Mark

[Death2Theft]

That was in costa rica. But they are the ones farming the sharks.
Apparently Gordon was doused with petrol and threatened at gunpoint by Taiwanese mafia when he was filming. I haven't had shark's fin soup in a long time and don't plan on eating it again.

[TOPEC]

I was about to say that I'm surprised he didn't get shot, but I guess it almost happened.

Chinese people will eat anything that is "bo sun". Or in other words, benefits the body. Another example would be those "dong chong cho". The worm that grows with a piece of grass sticking out of its ass. Lately in the past few years, its believed to be a big benefit to ur body, so what happen? The chinese start mass consuming them and had driven the price up to $ 10K HKD per pound compared to $1000 HKD.
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[Culverin]

I was about to say that I'm surprised he didn't get shot, but I guess it almost happened.

Chinese people will eat anything that is "bo sun". Or in other words, benefits the body. Another example would be those "dong chong cho". The worm that grows with a piece of grass sticking out of its ass. Lately in the past few years, its believed to be a big benefit to ur body, so what happen? The chinese start mass consuming them and had driven the price up to $ 10K HKD per pound compared to $1000 HKD.
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Yeah....
Chinese people and their science and math superiority....
They should put it to good use...

However, "dong chong cho", or cordyceps, actually have some studies shown that it's beneficial... some... could be fake, but it's at least got some scientific backing comparing that to a lot of the other food myths.

[InvisibleSoul]

Why is it that Asian cultures are so willing to continue consuming products that are decimating populations of endangered species?
I think the simple answer is most don't think about that part of it. They just know it signifies wealth and status, so to "have face", they have to serve it at weddings and such.

I'm personally impartial to it... I don't particularly like shark fin soup, but I'm not going to outright boycott it either.

I probably wouldn't order shark fin soup myself, but I'll eat it if I'm at a banquet that's serving it.

[Jet]

I'm not sure which came first, Sharkwater or Ramsay's docu but I watched Sharkwater first maybe a year or 2 ago and it did open my eyes to what is going on ... I'm Chinese and I liked eating shark's fin soup, like people said, its all about face in society but for me, its the texture of the fin that was good and the soup broth was always good ... I also grew up watching movies like Jaws and came to love and respect sharks as one of nature's great creatures ... After watching Sharkwater, I have a new understanding of what is happening and I have consciously avoided ordering it now and I hope that more people (especially from my culture) do the same ...

[ilvtofu]

Never liked shark fin soup, maybe I go to the wrong places, my family isn't that big on it either. Not sure about my grandma. Sharks are awesome though

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfyb49ramD1qa934ro1_500.jpg

Is there a video with a nutritionist's opinion on shark fin?
Anyone else think gordon ramsay could get better answers if he was a little bit more polite...?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

abalone shark fin birds nest... biggest pile of garbage but its like Chinese Bling so :rolleyes:


there's a lot of Fake birds nest, abalone, shark fin too made out of starch etc etc etc since they're such profitable items

its like digesting a LV bag or Hermes


u know u are balling when u are eating those shit
:whistle:

[ray666]

I know finning sharks is a problem and people need to be informed about the practice. But don't you guys think his documentary is a bit skewed?

The people in Taipei know finning is a controversial subject. Of course store owners and those fishing guys are going to be nervous when you barge in on them with a camera crew and start asking about shark fins. And to me, it seems like when he asks questions to some of the store owners and the people eating shark fins near the beginning of the documentary, they don't even seem to know what he's talking about or that they weren't able to communicate effectively with him because of their lack of english skills. They just either nodded their heads or just said "i don't know." It seems to me like they use that and editing to skew their point.

I know he's just trying to inform people about the issue of finning, but he needs to do it in a right and innon-skewed way. This for me will make his argument even stronger and doesn't make it seem like he's trying too hard.

I don't know. Just my two cents.

And also, did anyone get kind of annoyed of Ramsey for just trespassing onto people's roof's and docking ports and start messing around with the fins. I know he's trying to get good footage of the finning practice and all, but that doesn't give him the right to do that.

[marc0lishuz]

It's a documentary... it's SUPPOSED to convey a message, so the piece is inherently going to be skewed.

And Ramsay is full of himself anyways, and he probably thinks his celebrity will come in handy when he gets in trouble.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

guy is a cocky motherfucker, surprised he didnt get beat up in tw. Just because he is trying to get a footage doesnt mean he has the right to invade people's personal belongings. not surprised they pour gasoline off the roof

[marc0lishuz]

I'm surprised they have gasoline on the roof hahaha!!

Ramsay's cockiness is a love or hate thing. It's part of his celebrity persona.

[MindBomber]

^

guy is a cocky motherfucker, surprised he didnt get beat up in tw. Just because he is trying to get a footage doesnt mean he has the right to invade people's personal belongings. not surprised they pour gasoline off the roof

Ramsey went around and asked people if he could take a look on the roof and they all shut him out as soon as they saw a camera, if he didn't sneak onto the roof then he would have missed out on a lot of valuable footage.

If no one took risks to expose the secrets of these types of industries then we wouldn't have an accurate picture of just how evil they are, instead we would have nothing but a white washed image of innocence.

[ray666]

If no one took risks to expose the secrets of these types of industries then we wouldn't have an accurate picture of just how evil they are, instead we would have nothing but a white washed image of innocence.

I see your point, but where do we cross the line? The truth or people's right to privacy?

[MindBomber]

I see your point, but where do we cross the line? The truth or people's right to privacy?

By engaging in industries that have widely questioned ethical concerns, wouldn't you say people relinquish their right to privacy?

No one forced these people to engage in finning, if they chose to they could operate a business fishing other species and never have to worry about privacy.

[Nightwalker]

Seemed to me like he was only being as pushy as he needed to be. When he was pushing on illegal shit, boo hoo for the other people! I mean really!

If you're involved in something illegal you still have a right to privacy, but you're on your own to defend it because you can't call authorities. So it's completely on them to secure their shit and keep eyes out.

Thumbs up to Ramsay!

[Leopold Stotch]

thanks for sharing this, i'm actually doing a research paper on this.

[tegz]

I don't want to offend anyone, because this is an honest question to those with more insight into the culture than myself.

Why is it that Asian cultures are so willing to continue consuming products that are decimating populations of endangered species?

Ignorance, which leads to straight not giving a shit.

Side note.. never had real shark fin soup myself, but I like the fake ones?

[ae101]

Ramsey went around and asked people if he could take a look on the roof and they all shut him out as soon as they saw a camera, if he didn't sneak onto the roof then he would have missed out on a lot of valuable footage.

If no one took risks to expose the secrets of these types of industries then we wouldn't have an accurate picture of just how evil they are, instead we would have nothing but a white washed image of innocence.

a white guys comes up in your door step with a camera asking u to open the door in english but your chinese & u have no idea WTF hes talking about, would u open the door for him

most ppl in taiwan don't even know who this guy is

plus the only reason they just want the fins is cuz shark meat itself is very tough & not tender so this is not everyones meat, bet u 90% ppl would not like it

[Hondaracer]

a white guys comes up in your door step with a camera asking u to open the door in english but your chinese & u have no idea WTF hes talking about, would u open the door for him

most ppl in taiwan don't even know who this guy is

plus the only reason they just want the fins is cuz shark meat itself is very tough & not tender so this is not everyones meat, bet u 90% ppl would not like it

so kill an endangered shark to cut off the fin and toss the rest away?

logic!

shit is fucking retarded.

funny how this thread is full of chinese ppl defending killing endagered animals for a tiny part of their body, then tossing their bodies back to the ocean to die [which is obviously the most common practice]

but dont kill dogs with a bullet to the head! there's only so many dogs in this world! lol...

[darkfroggy]

I just had some tonight. Yummy.

MSG must taste good.

[darkfroggy]

so kill an endangered shark to cut off the fin and toss the rest away?

logic!

shit is fucking retarded.

funny how this thread is full of chinese ppl defending killing endagered animals for a tiny part of their body, then tossing their bodies back to the ocean to die [which is obviously the most common practice]

but dont kill dogs with a bullet to the head! there's only so many dogs in this world! lol...

I am Chinese, and I make a conscious effort to avoid shark fin soup. I try to convince my parents that it DOESN'T GIVE ANY NUTRITIONAL BENEFIT (look it up), but they have their heads stuck up their ass.

My mom gives us shit about how we're ruining the environment by not recycling, wasting electricity... then suggests shark fin soup for the family reunion.

Sigh.

[MindBomber]

^
Props to you for avoiding shark fin soup and trying to convince your family to do the same, also to your mom for being environmentally conscious. I wonder what her reaction to the video would be?

a white guys comes up in your door step with a camera asking u to open the door in english but your chinese & u have no idea WTF hes talking about, would u open the door for him


They know exactly why he's there, thats why they're so secretive. If a Chinese guy showed up at my house and wandered inside I would be confused, but I wouldn't throw gas on him and hold him at gun point.

[chun]

I know finning sharks is a problem and people need to be informed about the practice. But don't you guys think his documentary is a bit skewed?

The people in Taipei know finning is a controversial subject. Of course store owners and those fishing guys are going to be nervous when you barge in on them with a camera crew and start asking about shark fins. And to me, it seems like when he asks questions to some of the store owners and the people eating shark fins near the beginning of the documentary, they don't even seem to know what he's talking about or that they weren't able to communicate effectively with him because of their lack of english skills. They just either nodded their heads or just said "i don't know." It seems to me like they use that and editing to skew their point.

I know he's just trying to inform people about the issue of finning, but he needs to do it in a right and innon-skewed way. This for me will make his argument even stronger and doesn't make it seem like he's trying too hard.

I don't know. Just my two cents.

And also, did anyone get kind of annoyed of Ramsey for just trespassing onto people's roof's and docking ports and start messing around with the fins. I know he's trying to get good footage of the finning practice and all, but that doesn't give him the right to do that.

Totally agree. Imagine if some guy from Hong Kong barged into your store speaking Cantonese to you about your products. Then when you ignore them, they play it off as it's some shady shit because you're not saying anything. Absolutely ridiculous way of portraying something.

edit: As I watch more of it, it's more and more obvious of how big of a cunt Ramsey is. I'll leave it at that. What a fucking cunt.

[ae101]

so kill an endangered shark to cut off the fin and toss the rest away?

logic!

shit is fucking retarded.

funny how this thread is full of chinese ppl defending killing endagered animals for a tiny part of their body, then tossing their bodies back to the ocean to die [which is obviously the most common practice]

but dont kill dogs with a bullet to the head! there's only so many dogs in this world! lol...

i never really support that, im just telling u why they though im not really defending that

[cococly]

Gordon Ramsay should also consider not using goose liver as well.

http://robotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gordon-ramsay.jpg

http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2008/08/378473.jpg
http://blog.peta2.com/foie_gras.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ei02G5JKSVI/TNtTLqvUNyI/AAAAAAAAF3c/fEnbpNuGZn0/s1600/14.jpg
Force-Fed liver Vs normal liver

[91LS-VTak]

Wow, i never realized what a huge industry sharks' fins are. People are real idiots to kill the baby sharks, way to make sure ur industry is sustainable.

[darkfroggy]

Wow, i never realized what a huge industry sharks' fins are. People are real idiots to kill the baby sharks, way to make sure ur industry is sustainable.

No, just idiots in general for killing an endangered population which grants NO NUTRIOTIONAL HEALTH BENEFITS over any other type of animal.

[DemonsBlood]

Gordon Ramsay should also consider not using goose liver as well.

http://robotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gordon-ramsay.jpg

http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2008/08/378473.jpg
http://blog.peta2.com/foie_gras.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ei02G5JKSVI/TNtTLqvUNyI/AAAAAAAAF3c/fEnbpNuGZn0/s1600/14.jpg
Force-Fed liver Vs normal liver

I think the situation is not quite the same because people actually EAT the whole duck. Whereas for a shark....well no one wants to eat shark, OTHER then shark fin.

[CP.AR]

I love this stuff so much it's not funny.

I know it's wrong - the way they "harvest" thing fin off the shark and just throw them back into the sea.

But when it ultimately comes to what's "right" and what's "wrong", is it really realistic to expect a culture's eating habit to change overnight? I can see shark fin soup being a rare food item in several generations, but to think that should "just stop eating it" is rediculous.

Just to put in into perspective, if all of a sudden turkeys were closing into being extinct and/or the way turkeys are raised is inhumane, will your family immediately cease having turkey dinners every Thanksgiving or Christmas (assuming you do so now)? I know it can be a different story but the idea is there - these food items have been long drilled into a culture's traditions and values, and to simply think that "OMG THEY NEED TO STOP NAO" is just stupid. Give it time, and with time it will stop.

/rant

[Hondaracer]

geese aren't going extinct.

[darkfroggy]

^
Props to you for avoiding shark fin soup and trying to convince your family to do the same, also to your mom for being environmentally conscious. I wonder what her reaction to the video would be?



They know exactly why he's there, thats why they're so secretive. If a Chinese guy showed up at my house and wandered inside I would be confused, but I wouldn't throw gas on him and hold him at gun point.

Shit is shady as hell. There really are people in this world who really don't give a fuck about others and the environment.

In fact, I simply don't go to dinner with my family if they serve shark fin's soup. They can eat dinner without their son, or they could have a happy family dinner, ~$100 cheaper to boot. If they want luxury, they can go eat a sea cucumber for all I care. That shit's going to do more for your body than some retarded shark fin.

So far it's ben working...

Also, shark fin can actually be detrimental to your health, because sharks are known to have a high mercury content, some of which is inevitably stored in the fins.

Paying money for something that is unsustainable, has no nutritional content, and a high concentration of mercury = FAIL.

[wstce92]

First off, I'm Chinese, I don't find shark's fin particularly attractive because I personally don't believe it has any health attributes, although I do love the soup lol

But let me just say, it's easy to accuse another culture, especially one you're not a part of, of something heinous and ridiculous.
A lot of people here are hammering in the fact that the Chinese don't deserve to live because its a) horrible to kill an endangered animal and b) horrible to just kill a shark for it's fin and nothing else; all for satisfying their "stupid" materialistic needs.

Cattle farming, aka the artificial (re: against nature) increase of cow populations to satisfy demand of beef; as a result accounts for 18% of greenhouse emissions.
A lot of you here will probably respond to that by saying, the Chinese have billions of people, you don't think they account for a huge chunk of that too?
Well, no, by domestic consumption, China is 4th, and by consumption per capita, old data reports not even top 10, newer data should have them just breaking into top 10.

Someone also mentioned goose liver. Yes the animals are eaten for meat as well, not just the liver (in most cases), and yes the geese/ducks along with cows, aren't endangered.
But to produce foie gras, you basically slit a hole in the animals throat, and shove a tube straight down to allow for constant feeding. While the animal is alive. Have you ever tried spending some time with a tube shoved down your throat, let along a untreated gash by which the tube is inserted?

So which is more inhumane? Fucking up our environment by overpopulating with a certain species, keeping animals alive for weeks and months with tubes shoved down their throats, or killing members of an endangered species?

Let me tell you, NO ONE has the right to rate which of these crap practices is worse than the other. They are just ALL bad practices.
And unless you abstain from all the above, imo, shut the fuck up.

Side note, name me one culture that doesn't have members obsessed with materialistic things (I'll give you a hint, the amish, thats about it).
As materialistic as the Chinese are, they dedicate a good chunk of their population to manufacturing goods to meet the materialistic demands of the rest of the world.

(I bet people here are going to say, but using child workers/ shit paid workers is not as bad as killing endangered species)

So once again, unless you're amish, shut the fuck up.

[Culverin]

Gordon Ramsay should also consider not using goose liver as well.



Enlarged liver due to eating lots is normal. it's what happens to geese during the autumn when they prepare for the winter.
Geese don't have gag reflex. They are not in pain or discomfort with the gavage process.
They are farmed, the species is not in danger of extinction. It is a sustainable practice. One that does not do potentially horrendous massive damage to our world wide food chain.
The entire animal is used, meat, bones, organs, everything. There is no waste.
Foie gras farms are more careful of their product (geese) than chicken farms are. The clients are pickier (fine food resellers vs fast food and supermarkets). The animals are demanded to be in good condition because the rest of the body can be sold (see #4).

Like it or not, "ethical food" is a choice, and the clientele for foie gras can afford to be ethical.

There are still a few bad apples out there, farms that aren't ethical, but these are being forced out due to consumer awareness.
By and large, this market is already well on it's way to fully ethical means.



now what? :fullofwin:

[bengy]

I don't want to offend anyone, because this is an honest question to those with more insight into the culture than myself.

Why is it that Asian cultures are so willing to continue consuming products that are decimating populations of endangered species?

It's kind of like asking why they still believe in ghosts and shit. Bunch of uneducated mongrels pretty much.

[Rich Sandor]

Ahh the everlasting struggle between ballooning population and mass consumption, and ethical and environmentally responsible practices.

Let's ad "saving the sharks" to our long list of things we ALL need to do to save the planet, and hope we address it before the sharks are all gone.

[LiquidTurbo]

Listen closely my intelligence challenged friend, the reason why cows are okay and sharks are not are twofold:

1) Cows are not endangered and there is no danger of us losing them as a species and the functions they provide for the natural environment.

2) Killing cows is not nearly as wasteful - by weight almost 80% of a cow is used in some form while only 5% of a shark's weight is used, the rest discarded.

But yeah, keep telling yourself it's because white people like cows and asians dont. :stfu:

-Mark

So the solution is simple, Gordon Ramsey should instead advocate for Shark Farming, and eating the rest of the shark!

[akalic]

I love this stuff so much it's not funny.

I know it's wrong - the way they "harvest" thing fin off the shark and just throw them back into the sea.

But when it ultimately comes to what's "right" and what's "wrong", is it really realistic to expect a culture's eating habit to change overnight? I can see shark fin soup being a rare food item in several generations, but to think that should "just stop eating it" is rediculous.

Just to put in into perspective, if all of a sudden turkeys were closing into being extinct and/or the way turkeys are raised is inhumane, will your family immediately cease having turkey dinners every Thanksgiving or Christmas (assuming you do so now)? I know it can be a different story but the idea is there - these food items have been long drilled into a culture's traditions and values, and to simply think that "OMG THEY NEED TO STOP NAO" is just stupid. Give it time, and with time it will stop.

/rant

the point he is trying to make is that 90% of a species is going extinct (if i recall from the video) because of unregulated fishing on harbors in costa rica and in taiwan. It's not so much that they're killing them in inhumane ways, it's just the way they're taking them from the oceans doesn't allow for the sharks themselves to reproduce naturally (hence extinction of many aquatic species).

if you read the thread you would have found some user post stuff about how chicken/turkey eating is highly regulated by the government and although it may be "inhumane", at least we're not driving these particular animals off the face of the planet

[LiquidTurbo]

I think the situation is not quite the same because people actually EAT the whole duck. Whereas for a shark....well no one wants to eat shark, OTHER then shark fin.

I think the bigger issue is that we're fucking up animals in the name of 'delicacy' and 'fine food'. One is slicing the fin off and the other is forcing shit into a duck's stomack.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Foiegras4.jpg

The bigger issue is that we're fucking up animals. Based on your logic, if I shoot a sled dog in the face, watch it limp away, then slice off it's leg, and shoot it again, but eat the whole thing, it's ok. It's not.

[CP.AR]

It's kind of like asking why they still believe in ghosts and shit. Bunch of uneducated mongrels pretty much.

:speechless:
so any type of superstition or belief considered something for the uneducated? Otherwise, please do educate me.


the point he is trying to make is that 90% of a species is going extinct (if i recall from the video) because of unregulated fishing on harbors in costa rica and in taiwan. It's not so much that they're killing them in inhumane ways, it's just the way they're taking them from the oceans doesn't allow for the sharks themselves to reproduce naturally (hence extinction of many aquatic species).

if you read the thread you would have found some user post stuff about how chicken/turkey eating is highly regulated by the government and although it may be "inhumane", at least we're not driving these particular animals off the face of the planet

Yup I know, but the message that I think he carried in that video (and the message that is spreading) is that consumption should stop IMMEDIATELY. How can you stop a culturally important food item in a heartbeat? Sure there's a "display of wealth" side to the sharkfin soup, but it's gotten to the point where it's a celebratory food item reserved for MAJOR events such as: Weddings, Chinese New Year, Baby showers, etc... it is NOT an everyday food item for sure (at least in my extended family).

[twitchyzero]

Where's Hyde to defend the pro-shark fin soup team when you need him?

[Sandman]

Yup I know, but the message that I think he carried in that video (and the message that is spreading) is that consumption should stop IMMEDIATELY. How can you stop a culturally important food item in a heartbeat? Sure there's a "display of wealth" side to the sharkfin soup, but it's gotten to the point where it's a celebratory food item reserved for MAJOR events such as: Weddings, Chinese New Year, Baby showers, etc... it is NOT an everyday food item for sure (at least in my extended family).

If something is affecting our environment at a rate which is unsustainable, and has reached dangerous levels, then it must be stopped, altered, or supervised. Be it a culturally important food item/sacrifice/ceremony ... whatever.

You're saying that they're reserved for major events? well obviously it is turning into an everyday food, or it is increasing in popularity at least from only major to even minor events, which is there is a 60% decrease in overall shark populations within the last 9 years. Some species of which before there was an abundance are now on the brink of extinction. Therefore the message in the video is correct, it SHOULD stop immediately.

Of course it can't be, which is why it hasn't, but at least its a step in the right direction. Its not about giving it time and with time it will stop, because with time it has grown, and is actually continuing to grow, thus the importance of stopping it as soon as possible.

[Psykopathik]

isnt the obvious answer to make shark farms? repopulate the shit out of them.

people are gonna eat what they want no matter who tells them not to. I have to say, unless a Chinese god comes down from the heavens and announced, "Thou shall not eat shark! It doesn't make your cock harder or your brain any smarter!" people will just ignorantly keep eating.

[TheNewGirl]

There's several fantastic (and stomach turning) docs about the shark fin fishing in Asia. While you're at it I recommend The Cove (which is about dolphin slaughter).

You might as well check out Food Inc too to remember we're fucking bastards here in North America too and Jamie Oliver's Chicken Dinner - about the poultry industry. Reading the book 'Skinny Bitches' about the way we treat meat animals (and what it does to your body) will probably turn you vegan for at least a couple weeks too.

[observer]

Yes, the Japanese like their dolphin and the French their stuffed geese. I think most of us should be a little more open to other culture before jumping in like a global policemen telling what everyone should do.

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[twitchyzero]

isnt the obvious answer to make shark farms? repopulate the shit out of them.


I think this is easier said than done. I finally watched the video and they mention since sharks are at the top of the food chain of the marine ecosystem..I don't think you can simply farm them. If they could i'm sure someone would have already come up with the idea and implemented it rather than sending folks out for months trying to hunt them down.

[shawn79]

i love kangaroo meat

[TheNewGirl]

I think this is easier said than done. I finally watched the video and they mention since sharks are at the top of the food chain of the marine ecosystem..I don't think you can simply farm them. If they could i'm sure someone would have already come up with the idea and implemented it rather than sending folks out for months trying to hunt them down.

Most sharks 1. won't breed in captivity and 2. take WAYYYYYY too long to grow to maturity to be economical to breed on the sort of scale that you would need.

As he said in the video, most shark species need 10 - 15 years to grow to breeding age/maturity.

[CP.AR]

There ARE substitutes to shark fin that carry pretty much the same texture and properties, made with nothing but flour and gluten. If they mass market it as the sustainable alternative, i'm sure it'll catch on.

Again, simply telling people to STOP just isn't going to work

[geeknerd]

The only reason that should be used to boycott shark consumption is the fact that they are an endagered species and if it goes extinct it will mess up the marine ecosystem a lil bit.

anything else u guys talk about its quite useless really.

[MindBomber]

The only reason that should be used to boycott shark consumption is the fact that they are an endagered species and if it goes extinct it will mess up the marine ecosystem a lil bit.

anything else u guys talk about its quite useless really.

Point out where something other than prohibiting shark fin soup, because it endangers the future of many shark species was discussed in this thread.
:stfu:

[donjalapeno]

so first we can't eat dogs ... now we can't eat shark fins

but this is ALRIGHT because its ALLLL WHITE

fucking hypocrites

:stfu:

[RiceIntegraRS]

There ARE substitutes to shark fin that carry pretty much the same texture and properties, made with nothing but flour and gluten. If they mass market it as the sustainable alternative, i'm sure it'll catch on.

Again, simply telling people to STOP just isn't going to work

i think convincing the younger generation of people to stop eating it will be alot easier the convincing the older generation. So maybe put a ban on people who are born past a certain year like 1980 or something, kinda like alchohol drinking age law but instead of age its birthyear cause it seems like the older generation think its actually a delicacy. Maybe its a dumb idea, but thats the only solution i can think of that can slowly stop shark finning

[geeknerd]

Point out where something other than prohibiting shark fin soup, because it endangers the future of many shark species was discussed in this thread.
:stfu:

animal creulty? question on cultures? u fucking blind?

[ShyGuy]

I'm having shark fin soup tonight...yum!

[oinkoinkpig]

I'm having shark fin soup tonight...yum!

So did I, at home though. My family is eating whatever stock is left at home but won't be buying anymore in the future since they took notice of this issue. I know a lot of people are going to continue eating shark fin but hey, atleast I know I contributed something by not consuming/buying it anymore.

[MindBomber]

animal creulty? question on cultures? u fucking blind?

All relevant to the issue being discussed;shark finning is a type of animal cruelty, shark fin soup and the reason it is difficult to convince people to stop consuming it is cultural. Do you have basic reading comprehension skills?

[Hondaracer]

Cultural like cutting off bear paws and gallbladders after poaching a bear..

Seems like most Chinese aphrodesiacs require some sort of animal cruelty/waste :p
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[geeknerd]

all im saying is the animal cruelty card shouldn't be played; only the endangered species reason is what should count.
hinduism vs cows, they must think we are monsters.

[LiquidTurbo]

all im saying is the animal cruelty card shouldn't be played; only the endangered species reason is what should count.
hinduism vs cows, they must think we are monsters.

You're a hypocrit if you're uncomfortable about the sled dog incident. Animal cruelty card is absolutely legit.
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[shawn79]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im7W1AnDmgA

[1exotic]

^ lol

someone should have knocked her out...

lock that pig up in a zoo where she belongs.

[geeknerd]

You're a hypocrit if you're uncomfortable about the sled dog incident. Animal cruelty card is absolutely legit.
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im not uncomfortable about that incident. didnt even commet on it.

just saying imo, animal cruelty is a subjective perspective
hard core vegetarians think eating meat is cruel even though they are killed in a 'humane' way.
no one has fur coats here?
any girls here use makeup? probably animal tested.
any1 get rabies shot?

and its part because i am 'evil' ? i believe being top of the food chain grants me the right to do anything to lower as long as it doesnt have consequences for mankind as a whole. no one kill insects here before? its cruel but since they are not endangered its ok? oh i see how it is.

last shark left in the world and its biting u, u not gonna kill it??????

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

world is coming to an end, so its ok for them to go extinct anyway. We'd all be wiped out before they do
:fullofwin:

[Sandman]

The only reason that should be used to boycott shark consumption is the fact that they are an endagered species and if it goes extinct it will mess up the marine ecosystem a lil bit.

anything else u guys talk about its quite useless really.

lol. Sharks dead = everything on the planet dead. Half of the worlds oxygen source is generated from oceans.

[TRDood]

Finally get to finish the video. Chinese people are going to demand the product as they get richer. I think its a phase. Personally I think it tastes good, but would not pay $50 a bowl for it out of my own pocket. I'd rather have a lobster or steak.

Speaking of cruelty, shark finning is not THAT bad relative to people eating monkey brains by cracking the monkey's skull open. Luckily, not that many people do that anymore - i hope.
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[CKLCKL]

lol. Sharks dead = everything on the planet dead. Half of the worlds oxygen source is generated from oceans.

No, sharks wont cause everything to die; in fact, they live off the oxygen from the photosynthesis caused by phytoplanktons.

[Gh0stRider]

i've only had it 3 times. after watching that vid, i never knew they threw away the body...holy crap

[MindBomber]

i've only had it 3 times. after watching that vid, i never knew they threw away the body...holy crap

The question is, with your new found knowledge, would you eat it again?

[Culverin]

It's kind of like asking why they still believe in ghosts and shit. Bunch of uneducated mongrels pretty much.
I wouldn't call them mongrels, but yes, there will always be uneducated people within every demographic.

Unfortunately, us in the west must wake up and face reality, that china has a MASSIVE population, 1,341,000,000 people (estimate from wikipedia).
That's just short of 40 times the population of canada.

Let's just assume for the moment that the barest 1% of that is RICH.
Not gold-plated-italian-supercar-rich, but VERY rich.
Enough for them to secure their future, their kids, and their grandparents.
That's 100 MILLION very rich people. And it's almost all "new money", meaning the generation that earned all that money was not raised by parents with a university education. They likely didn't even finish high school.


Let me put this in perspective.
My family is not what I would call "rich", but fairly well off?
My parents, grandparents and uncle live near oakridge. They all have 9-5 white collar jobs, not execs by any long shot.

A couple years back while I was still doing weekly dinners with the extended family, there was sharkfin soup for each person. And not the shared communal large pot. I'm talking individual ramekins of whole fins.

That's a table of 12, let's call it 30+ weeks a year.
That's a well off, not "rich" family.

Now think back to china's population?
Therein lies the problem.


So the solution is simple, Gordon Ramsey should instead advocate for Shark Farming, and eating the rest of the shark!
No can do.


Shark's don't breed in captivity.
A very long time until they are of breeding age.
They aren't like salmon, they need space and prey to hunt.
The rest of the sharks is garbage meat.


Yup I know, but the message that I think he carried in that video (and the message that is spreading) is that consumption should stop IMMEDIATELY. How can you stop a culturally important food item in a heartbeat? Sure there's a "display of wealth" side to the sharkfin soup, but it's gotten to the point where it's a celebratory food item reserved for MAJOR events such as: Weddings, Chinese New Year, Baby showers, etc... it is NOT an everyday food item for sure (at least in my extended family).

See my first point, from what I've seen, once you get to a certain level of money in your family, it's no longer an "event food", it's more of a status food.
It's like having an Louis Vuitton bag, you don't just bring it out on bdays. You take it everywhere you go. And if you've got a couple? You absolutely cycle between them and will never be caught without one.


Culturally, I don't think this is something we can hope to change within this generation. Despite what I believe, it is still extremely insulting to my grandparents (especially in the presence of company) to refuse shark fin soup.
I think the hope lies within our current generation.
We can do our best to try and make it something that is unethical and shameful. My bro and I don't have it anymore with our parents.
I just hope that the shark populace can still be saved after the mass populace of china has done their damage.

[Sandman]

No, sharks wont cause everything to die; in fact, they live off the oxygen from the photosynthesis caused by phytoplanktons.

:facepalm:

Sharks run the ocean. They oversee the populations, and without them all the plankton eaters in the ocean will over populate, and over feed...

Did I really have to spell that out for you?

[Iceman_2K]

you know that by outlawing or banning hunting that its going to just drive the price up and make it even more lucrative to get the sharks fin right? If its expensive now, just think of how much more expensive its going to be if it becomes illegal.

[geeknerd]

if it was actually a big ass problem to our world im sure we can mass clone them. we are even on our way to bringing back mammoths ....

[geeknerd]

:facepalm:

Sharks run the ocean. They oversee the populations, and without them all the plankton eaters in the ocean will over populate, and over feed...

Did I really have to spell that out for you?

could be the other way around. an overpopulation of planktons and we will have the cleanest o2 ever!

[Arash]

Im sure everyone would like the shark family to stay intact a hundred plus years from now.

Hopefully the consumers that have reached "the status", which also should own televisions, will one day be shown the plight of endangered animals and the miracle of their existence in our planet.

If governments dont cooperate in time, I hope some philanthropist will hire mercenaries to shutdown these major factories, resulting in the price to be driven higher so that only the super rich can afford nicely textured meals.
:p

[twitchyzero]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_laf9jrp6Ch1qc5lsbo1_500.jpg

[geeknerd]

i wish it was more expensive. i dont feel rich enough eating them anymore :troll:

[Ronin]

I wouldn't order it but not because of any ethical reason. I prefer that fish maw soup anyways.

If it's there, I wouldn't turn it down.

[CKLCKL]

:facepalm:

Sharks run the ocean. They oversee the populations, and without them all the plankton eaters in the ocean will over populate, and over feed...

Did I really have to spell that out for you?

Are you retarded? Please educate yourself before you type.

Phytoplankton is naturally occuring in seawater where there is circulation, they are literally everywhere. They are the foundation of the freshwater foodchain. Your retardedness is like saying that we will run out of algae in the world.

Please do everyone a favour and look up "phytoplankton bloom".

[darkfroggy]

Finally get to finish the video. Chinese people are going to demand the product as they get richer. I think its a phase. Personally I think it tastes good, but would not pay $50 a bowl for it out of my own pocket. I'd rather have a lobster or steak.

Speaking of cruelty, shark finning is not THAT bad relative to people eating monkey brains by cracking the monkey's skull open. Luckily, not that many people do that anymore - i hope.
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How the hell does it "taste good"? Shark fin has no taste, it's entirely MSG.

Shark finning is bad. They fin the sharks WHILE THEY ARE STILL ALIVE, and dump them off into the water ALIVE.

Basically, these sharks will DROWN, STARVE, or be picked apart by other animals, and it can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That's torture to the greatest degree.

Finned sharks are a fucking sad sight, stripped of all their dignity. Fucking finners should get their limbs chopped off and thrown in a pool of iodine, since that's what they're basically doing.

[darkfroggy]

I'm having shark fin soup tonight...yum!

I own my own house and don't need to eat overpriced, useless shit to make myself feel "special".

Feels good man.

[Nightwalker]

these sharks will DROWN

:fullofwin:


This problem isn't so funny though. Shit is out of control.

[donjalapeno]

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

[lowside67]

I wouldn't call them mongrels, but yes, there will always be uneducated people within every demographic.

Unfortunately, us in the west must wake up and face reality, that china has a MASSIVE population, 1,341,000,000 people (estimate from wikipedia).
That's just short of 40 times the population of canada.

Let's just assume for the moment that the barest 1% of that is RICH.
Not gold-plated-italian-supercar-rich, but VERY rich.
Enough for them to secure their future, their kids, and their grandparents.
That's 100 MILLION very rich people. And it's almost all "new money", meaning the generation that earned all that money was not raised by parents with a university education. They likely didn't even finish high school.

... Long Essay


Pro-tip: 1% of 1,341,000,000 people is 13,410,000 not 100,000,000.
:failed:

[twitchyzero]

I own my own house and don't need to eat overpriced, useless shit to make myself feel "special".
haters gonna hate

[twitchyzero]

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

Did you just miss the entire 5 pages of this thread where we were discussing double standards? You think the cow died happily for your mcdonald's big mac sandwich? Just cause cows are percieved by many to be ugly it's perfectly fine to slit their throats?

[Hi_Im_Mike]

If you guys are interested in helping to save the sharks then I suggest going to www.sharktruth.com
It`s not my site or anything but it is a local site and they educate people about shark fin soups and how you can help and so on. They even give out prizes for weddings who don`t order the soup at their wedding.

[darkfroggy]

Did you just miss the entire 5 pages of this thread where we were discussing double standards? You think the cow died happily for your mcdonald's big mac sandwich? Just cause cows are percieved by many to be ugly it's perfectly fine to slit their throats?

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.

[darkfroggy]

I wouldn't order it but not because of any ethical reason. I prefer that fish maw soup anyways.

If it's there, I wouldn't turn it down.

Why wouldn't you turn it down?

Maybe you could make a difference by refusing to eat it, and then encouraging others to do the same.

[moguo]

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

I feel compelled to register and respond to this. There are so many things I don't agree with, but then again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm in no way saying you're wrong.

Shark fins cost $28/lb and the meat costs $2/lb (I might have gotten the units wrong but it's mentioned in the video), so economically speaking, it's much more profitable to just keep the fin and throw out the body. And it's not because those fishermen are simply coldhearted demons, but rather they care more about money than biodiversity or treating animals nicely. So I sincerely hope you don't mean it when you said you hope they all experience losing a limb before they die.

For the bolded point, it's because you have internet access, are posting on RS, and have a general level of comfort in your life that you would begin to care enough about the environment. Ask a starving person whether they care more about when their next meal is or about sharks, biodiversity, or global warming. Refer to the Kuznets curve for environmental quality if you want to go to town with this idea.

Everyone has his or her own opinions about race, gender, sexual orientation, and [insert controversial issue or just issue in general] so I believe everyone is racist, but some people are more open to ideas different from their own. Therefore, I find it disappointing that you would think differently about Asians because of their culinary tastes. For me, it's natural to look for freshness in food, and I don't think this is limited to Asians either. What I find fucked up is that meats in North America come in little packages and don't resemble where they come from at all.

As for slaughtering animals while they're alive to retain freshness, that's unrelated to this thread. Shark fin is dried.

My biggest problem with shark fin is that only 5% of it is used. It's wasteful. Second biggest problem is biodiversity. Sharks have been around for millions of years, so evolutionary speaking, they are very fit and should not go extinct if it weren't for us. But I also think that the marine ecosystem will somehow adapt even if sharks were to go extinct. Some other predator will fill the gap. Don't underestimate mother nature!

[donjalapeno]

Did you just miss the entire 5 pages of this thread where we were discussing double standards? You think the cow died happily for your mcdonald's big mac sandwich? Just cause cows are percieved by many to be ugly it's perfectly fine to slit their throats?

Did you miss the fact that Cows WILL never be instinct and that they get slaughterd painlessely ( for the most part). If a animal is being slaughterd and everything will be used and sold then i really dont mind and will enjoy my steak but when people are cutting a big ass shark that is near instiction and using only 5% of it and then tossing it back into the water thats what bothers me. Wiping out a shit load of sharks all for a fuckin bowl of soup? just so that you can feel wealthy when eating it. Just because we are blessed with all different kinds of animals doesnt mean we have to chop each one up and eat it.

For example when italians kill a lamb, they USE every single bit of the lamb for food. They use the bones and fat for stock. They use the organs for stew. They use the head for stock/soup/stew. And the meat for basically anything. Usually the cheaper cuts of meat ( the head, organs etc) are used at soup kitchens to make homeless people soup and stew. This way the animal wont get wasted. Now people are saying shark meat is worthless a fillet of shark meat cant be more gross than a lambs digestive organs. People can use the meat but there too selfish too and only care about money.



I feel compelled to register and respond to this. There are so many things I don't agree with, but then again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm in no way saying you're wrong.

Shark fins cost $28/lb and the meat costs $2/lb (I might have gotten the units wrong but it's mentioned in the video), so economically speaking, it's much more profitable to just keep the fin and throw out the body. And it's not because those fishermen are simply coldhearted demons, but rather they care more about money than biodiversity or treating animals nicely. So I sincerely hope you don't mean it when you said you hope they all experience losing a limb before they die.

For the bolded point, it's because you have internet access, are posting on RS, and have a general level of comfort in your life that you would begin to care enough about the environment. Ask a starving person whether they care more about when their next meal is or about sharks, biodiversity, or global warming. Refer to the Kuznets curve for environmental quality if you want to go to town with this idea.

Everyone has his or her own opinions about race, gender, sexual orientation, and [insert controversial issue or just issue in general] so I believe everyone is racist, but some people are more open to ideas different from their own. Therefore, I find it disappointing that you would think differently about Asians because of their culinary tastes. For me, it's natural to look for freshness in food, and I don't think this is limited to Asians either. What I find fucked up is that meats in North America come in little packages and don't resemble where they come from at all.

As for slaughtering animals while they're alive to retain freshness, that's unrelated to this thread. Shark fin is dried.

My biggest problem with shark fin is that only 5% of it is used. It's wasteful. Second biggest problem is biodiversity. Sharks have been around for millions of years, so evolutionary speaking, they are very fit and should not go extinct if it weren't for us. But I also think that the marine ecosystem will somehow adapt even if sharks were to go extinct. Some other predator will fill the gap. Don't underestimate mother nature!

Well sir,

TBH my blood was boiling when i posted that but the people on that boat didnt look like homeless hungry hobos they looked like normal fisherman and yes you have to be coldhearted to stomp on a baby shark and cut its fins watch it bleed and then kick it around some more until it dies. If your going to kill a animal do it properly and provide as little pain as you can to the animal. I personally love asian food and love freshness in my food however i dont approve of torturing a animal to death JUST to have freshness in your next meal, thats the most selfish thing a human being can do. The meats in north america are packaged in the grocery store ( ie, save on foods, safeway etc) and the butchers are MORE than happy to tell you where the meat is from, its not like there hiding anything from you. Once you find out the location of where the meat was produced you can do research to see if the quality of the meat, That being said if your THAT into knowing where your meat is coming from etc then go to local butchers, im sure there all happy too help out future customers. Another reason why North americans package meat in small packages is for cleaniess and overall look of the meat, it looks more pleasing to the eye than having a blood dripping hooks of meat outside a store waiting to be cut.


it all boils down to, why waste 95% of a animal for a bowl of soup.


Better yet.


Why torture AND overfish a beutiful animal thats been with us for millions of years for a bowl of soup.

[goo3]

Looks like we're halfway to 10 pages :fullofwin:

[zz]

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.

This is my hypothesis, but from my understanding i thought he responded that way because soltaa discovered the fact that because he found out asians slaughtered "beautiful" sharks he concluded the world was fucked up. twitchyzero replied to him to that fashion because there are other people of different ethnic origins that slaughter other animals for their own consumption (as displayed from the previous pages).

Now i understand and im sure twitchyzero does too that the sharks are going extinct (looks like he read 5 sections of this thread). He isn't denying that. He was just making a point that other people besides asians fuck shit up too when it comes to consuming non human species.

[TheNewGirl]

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.

The slaughtering process does begin while the cow is still alive in some instances. Good slaughter houses don't allow this to happen but cost cutting in others, and compassion fatigue means in some this isn't the case.

I again recommend a viewing of Food Inc and reading the book Skinny Bitches. Both discuss the extreme cases in quite a bit of depth. Though it's important to keep in mind these are the the most extreme, worst cases generally depicted.

There's several very good documentaries about the Poultry industry as well, most of them come out of the UK and discuss the cost/benefit difference between free range poultry rearing and standard warehouse practices as well as humane slaughter methods.

[MrGoodbar]

If people want to protect sharks they should just attach some frickin' laser beams to their heads against poachers. Every animal deserves a warm meal.

[TheNewGirl]

Frickin' laser beams for the cows too! Make people work for those hamburgers!

[TRDood]

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

I agree with the shark comment. However, unless you don't eat any meat, you contribute to slaughtering as well. Read the previous pages about animal harvesting efficiency.
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[LiquidTurbo]

I Love the oxymoron "humane slaughter". Slaughter is slaughter.
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[TRDood]

I feel compelled to register and respond to this. There are so many things I don't agree with, but then again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm in no way saying you're wrong.

Shark fins cost $28/lb and the meat costs $2/lb (I might have gotten the units wrong but it's mentioned in the video), so economically speaking, it's much more profitable to just keep the fin and throw out the body. And it's not because those fishermen are simply coldhearted demons, but rather they care more about money than biodiversity or treating animals nicely. So I sincerely hope you don't mean it when you said you hope they all experience losing a limb before they die.

For the bolded point, it's because you have internet access, are posting on RS, and have a general level of comfort in your life that you would begin to care enough about the environment. Ask a starving person whether they care more about when their next meal is or about sharks, biodiversity, or global warming. Refer to the Kuznets curve for environmental quality if you want to go to town with this idea.

Everyone has his or her own opinions about race, gender, sexual orientation, and so I believe everyone is racist, but some people are more open to ideas different from their own. Therefore, I find it disappointing that you would think differently about Asians because of their culinary tastes. For me, it's natural to look for freshness in food, and I don't think this is limited to Asians either. What I find fucked up is that meats in North America come in little packages and don't resemble where they come from at all.

As for slaughtering animals while they're alive to retain freshness, that's unrelated to this thread. Shark fin is dried.

My biggest problem with shark fin is that only 5% of it is used. It's wasteful. Second biggest problem is biodiversity. Sharks have been around for millions of years, so evolutionary speaking, they are very fit and should not go extinct if it weren't for us. But I also think that the marine ecosystem will somehow adapt even if sharks were to go extinct. Some other predator will fill the gap. Don't underestimate mother nature!

For sure about the economic argument. We live in a developed country where we don't have shortage of food and adequate income. Therefore, we have spare time to deal with these issues e.g. Get mad with animal cruelty. At the same time, we always ask "how do we improve living standards of developing countries?"

These countries who are finning just want to make money. Given the choice between killing sharks or caring about the environment when you have to feed your starving family, what would you choose? I agree that it's wasteful but people have to find ways to pay for the basics.
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[donjalapeno]

I Love the oxymoron "humane slaughter". Slaughter is slaughter.
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So your saying cutting a animals hands/feet off and letting bleed to death is the same as quickly and painlessly slaughtering a animal? :speechless:

I wish i could post some of the worst animal cruelty videos ive seen but i cringe even searching for it.

[twitchyzero]

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.
I never said extinction wasn't an issue. No point aruging against facts. That said, majority of the livestock slaughter house uses arguably equally cruel methods to kill the animals (electrocution, sliting their throats to them let bleed out etc).

If a animal is being slaughterd and everything will be used and sold then i really dont mind and will enjoy my steak but when people are cutting a big ass shark that is near instiction and using only 5% of it and then tossing it back into the water thats what bothers me. Wiping out a shit load of sharks all for a fuckin bowl of soup? just so that you can feel wealthy when eating it. Just because we are blessed with all different kinds of animals doesnt mean we have to chop each one up and eat it.

it all boils down to, why waste 95% of a animal for a bowl of soup.

Many of the Taiwanese locals in the Southern communities actually eat shark meat as well..but do I expect that to be mentioned in an anti-shark finning documentary? No. Are those people in the majority? No..but still it's not ALL going to waste. If it's all going to waste, it will be completely worthless, not 2GBP/pound.

Just as if I were to suggest you to watch slaughterhouse documentaries...of course there will be ones that choose to kill the animals in a not-so curel manner..majority of them will find whatevers most cost/and time efficient...just like these shark-finners...why bring back the shark and carry more load on the boat when the demand for it is not very huge.


Now i understand and im sure twitchyzero does too that the sharks are going extinct (looks like he read 5 sections of this thread). He isn't denying that. He was just making a point that other people besides asians fuck shit up too when it comes to consuming non human species.
thank you.

[MrGoodbar]

Probrum still?:troll:

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/weaap.jpg

[kevin7352]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABeWlY0KFv8
video regarding foie gras