[donjalapeno]

New law one of two effective Feb. 1 that target gangs and organized crime. Gunshot and Stab Would Disclosure Act now requires hospitals to report gunshot and stab wounds to police.

Outfitting your car with bulletproof glass or secret compartments could now land you in jail.


The province introduced legislation on Wednesday making it illegal for most people to drive cars with clandestine cubicles and armoured siding – features presumably only gangsters need anyway.


“The only reason … to add (these things) is to evade police or other criminals, or to hide guns, drugs or money,” said Solicitor General Rich Coleman.


“This law establishes significant penalties and will work to discourage gang activity and organized crime,” he said.


Those penalties include fines of up to $10,000 and as many as six months in jail.


People with what authorities deem a “reasonable need” to drive armoured cars have until May 1 to apply for an exemption permit and get a criminal record check.


RCMP Supt. Tonia Enger, president of the B.C. Association of Chiefs of Police, said gang members have “no right to hide behind armour” or conceal tools that help them carry out their illegal activities.


“(This) is one more tool to help us keep the public safe,” Enger said.


Via- Metro news vancouver

[2damaxmr2]

significant penalties + fines of up to $10,000 and as many as six months in jail = Does not compute.

[Nightwalker]

I don't feel hidden compartments or armour should be illegal whatsoever.

[Arash]

So putting a "tobacco" pipe under my ash tray and reinforcing my car to better help in a car crash can be illegal... look government, how about putting up cash rewards and using the media to catch the criminals rather then impose more laws for living in this land.

[geeknerd]

So putting a "tobacco" pipe under my ash tray and reinforcing my car to better help in a car crash can be illegal... look government, how about putting up cash rewards and using the media to catch the criminals rather then impose more laws for living in this land.

reinforced with paper that is :troll:

[Hondaracer]

fuck waste so much money on absolutely retarded legislation..

Apply this law and you dont need ANY of these retarded laws:

In Posession of an unregistered/stolen hand gun = 5 years in prison

/crime solved.

[drunkrussian]

doesnt a smart gangster register their car in their grandma's name? does this mean if he is caught in the bulletproof car, granny's bout to hi the clink??
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[CanadaGoose]

What a fucking joke

WHY impose restrictions on law abiding citizens as to what they can and can not do to their own personal vehicle, armoured, hidden compartments, dildo fucking shift knob or not? It should be none of the governments goddamn business what you do to your own car - they are DEFENSIVE not offensive modifications that in and of themselves can harm no one. And since when do people who breaks laws, give a shit about more laws and all the small print?

“The only reason … to add (these things) is to evade police or other criminals, or to hide guns, drugs or money,” - Last time I checked we are not in soviet russia. A hidden compartment does not automatically = criminality; why should any law abiding person who currently has an 'armored vehicle' even have to go through the hassle and waste their own time with applying for an exemption permit and submitting to a criminal record check? What the fuck is that

It's the same mess with the pos gun registry. It targets the wrong people. Outlaws do not give a fuck about the law.... Stop making retarded laws that only inconvenience law abiding citizens and WASTING OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS, you fucking bureaucratic asshats

[Solo_D33A]

The only reasons that this law is out is because the weapons that the police carries aren't enough to penetrate since they can't buy anything better with the money provided, government rather keep their big salaries than to buy cops better cars, and guess what? government wants more money for themselves.

Many of the laws are targetting wrong people, they should let people vote for new laws instead... Last time I checked, we're not supposed to be in a country where dictatorship is upon us...

[Manic!]

The only reasons that this law is out is because the weapons that the police carries aren't enough to penetrate since they can't buy anything better with the money provided

You know they make cars that can withstand armor-piercing bullets and grenades.

Do you want ever officer to carry a bazooka?

There is no need of BP cars for law abiding citizens.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-03-05-security-cars_x.htm

[rsx]

They're just mandating stab/gun wounds be reported to the police now? WTF.

[terkan]

They're just mandating stab/gun wounds be reported to the police now? WTF.

Patient confidentiality. It is required by law. You just learned about that now?

[Mancini]

So the Prime Minister will be in an unarmored vehicle the next time he visits BC? I think not.

[drunkrussian]

So the Prime Minister will be in an unarmored vehicle the next time he visits BC? I think not.

lol this is a law for civilians. ur also not allowed to own a bullet proof vest i think (or am i wrong) but u dont see cops being banned for it.
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[Phil@rise]

How often do you here of gang members getting shot in their cars? Its always an innocent guy with a case of mistaken identity so how are these new laws gonna make "us" safer?

[rsx]

Patient confidentiality. It is required by law. You just learned about that now?

Patient confidentiality is one thing, but when the patient is suffering from a violent wound, public safety and the law should circumvent that confidentiality.

[Gridlock]

I don't like it when the gov't tells me what I can and cannot buy. Can't buy incandescent light bulbs, and can't buy armor of any kind. If this article was written 75km south of us, they would be up in arms about freedom.

Here? We assume the gov'ts got our back.

[haulin oats]

You CAN drive/operate an armoured vehicle with correct permits.

Also, imagine being in a head on collision against an armoured vehicle. instead of it crumpling from the impact like it is designed to, it obliterates your car and essentially steam rolls over it.

[cococly]

http://broken.me.uk/brokenhelix.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/riot_tank.jpg

In the UK, you can even drive a tank/IFV/APC on the street, let alone modified armoured cars.

[xpl0sive]

“(This) is one more tool to help us keep the public safe,” Enger said.


Via- Metro news vancouver


how does banning armoured cars make the public safer? if anything, there will be more shootings since the gangsters will try shoot each other in their cars knowing they are not bullet proof... all these new laws they are putting in place to keep the public "safe" are just bullshit scare tactic so they can tax the population

[dachinesedude]

front tint is illegal for fuck sakes, why am i not surprised about this

[sulos]

How many of you were planning on bullet proofing your cars? None, that's right you are all upset over something that doesn't have any effect on your day to day life.

The guy who said something about mistaken identity may have something there but all you need to do is not buy ugly Crome spinners and stay away from caddies and you will be fine. The window tint in the front I agree with, how is a cop pulling you over for a traffic violation know you aren't pointing a gun at him? In my experience when you are not driving a modified car and you are following the rules cops aren't jerks to you. If you hang out in a crowd that is drawing attention maybe it is time to think about changing crowds.

All in all this doesn't affect 99% of us so why the hate? Don't give me the "ooo our freedoms!" crap
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[Hondaracer]

How many of you were planning on bullet proofing your cars? None, that's right you are all upset over something that doesn't have any effect on your day to day life.

The guy who said something about mistaken identity may have something there but all you need to do is not buy ugly Crome spinners and stay away from caddies and you will be fine. The window tint in the front I agree with, how is a cop pulling you over for a traffic violation know you aren't pointing a gun at him? In my experience when you are not driving a modified car and you are following the rules cops aren't jerks to you. If you hang out in a crowd that is drawing attention maybe it is time to think about changing crowds.

All in all this doesn't affect 99% of us so why the hate? Don't give me the "ooo our freedoms!" crap
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Because it probably costs thousands of dollars in wages and time to pass this legislation..

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

How many of you were planning on bullet proofing your cars? None, that's right you are all upset over something that doesn't have any effect on your day to day life.

The guy who said something about mistaken identity may have something there but all you need to do is not buy ugly Crome spinners and stay away from caddies and you will be fine. The window tint in the front I agree with, how is a cop pulling you over for a traffic violation know you aren't pointing a gun at him? In my experience when you are not driving a modified car and you are following the rules cops aren't jerks to you. If you hang out in a crowd that is drawing attention maybe it is time to think about changing crowds.

All in all this doesn't affect 99% of us so why the hate? Don't give me the "ooo our freedoms!" crap
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I dont think it was a matter of getting it or not that piss ppl off.

Its that an unnecessary gay law is made that is completely pointless and lame

[Noir]

I don't like it when the gov't tells me what I can and cannot buy. Can't buy incandescent light bulbs, and can't buy armor of any kind. If this article was written 75km south of us, they would be up in arms about freedom.

Here? We assume the gov'ts got our back.

I understand your sentiments completely and though I do agree to a point... but the poor wording of your opening kind of makes your sentiment sound silly at first.


Regardless, the law doesn't bother me. I'm fine with or without the anti-bp.

[Manic!]

How often do you here of gang members getting shot in their cars? Its always an innocent guy with a case of mistaken identity so how are these new laws gonna make "us" safer?

The person who lived in front of my sisters old house was shot at. the thing that saved him was his BP BMW. That's one of the reasons why my Sister's family build a new house and moved. My sisters best friend who lives beside them also built a new house and moved.

[BNR32_Coupe]

How many of you were planning on bullet proofing your cars? None, that's right you are all upset over something that doesn't have any effect on your day to day life.

The guy who said something about mistaken identity may have something there but all you need to do is not buy ugly Crome spinners and stay away from caddies and you will be fine. The window tint in the front I agree with, how is a cop pulling you over for a traffic violation know you aren't pointing a gun at him? In my experience when you are not driving a modified car and you are following the rules cops aren't jerks to you. If you hang out in a crowd that is drawing attention maybe it is time to think about changing crowds.

All in all this doesn't affect 99% of us so why the hate? Don't give me the "ooo our freedoms!" crap
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yeah let me know how adversely your opinion changes after your future ex's psycho boyfriend decides you're game.

PS, back windows can be tinted, buddy can easily be in the back seat with a weapon pointed at an officer. the real concern is with traffic safety.

[Psykopathik]

so it going to be against the law to protect yourself...

the only safe people are the criminals. they got the armored cars and BP vests and the guns.

what do i have?

i warm hiding spot in my closet for when when someone kicks down my door at 3AM looking for coke. The reason its warm is because i will be pissing myself

[johny]

soon they will ban locks on houses so the police can enter easier...

[IMASA]

soon they will ban locks on houses so the police can enter easier...

to beat you when they enter the wrong house.

[white_guilt]

next, are they going to ban secret compartments in your houses too? Since you know, only drug dealers and gangsters would ever want like a trap door or something. How about wearing jackets with too many hidden pockets? Are they going to ban those too?? fucking ridiculous.

[optiblue]

Unnecessary law, and if I were rich I would want an armored vehicle. Since I'm neither rich not gang related, I could care less about this law.
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[t8v6]

^it's your tax money they're spending to make these unnecessary laws :/

[BNR32_Coupe]

Then again, who says my 735iL is bullet proof? I just put thick body panels to protect the vehicle's occupants during a crash. In addition, the glass is layered with 3M film to prevent rock chips and thieves from stealing it. I've no intent of bullet-proofing this vehicle, I'm just meticulous about my vehicle's capacity for safety.

[sulos]

yeah let me know how adversely your opinion changes after your future ex's psycho boyfriend decides you're game.

PS, back windows can be tinted, buddy can easily be in the back seat with a weapon pointed at an officer. the real concern is with traffic safety.

I am not worried. Neither of us have retarded friends in the gang life.
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[sulos]

so it going to be against the law to protect yourself...

the only safe people are the criminals. they got the armored cars and BP vests and the guns.

what do i have?

i warm hiding spot in my closet for when when someone kicks down my door at 3AM looking for coke. The reason its warm is because i will be pissing myself

Does your house look like a crack house? If not why are you worried about some breaking in looking for coke? If on the other hand it does look like a crack house it is time to get off revscene and pick up some cleaning materials.

If you use half your brain you will more than likely never be near a person getting shot at.
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[AccordCoupedd]

Anyone know where I can bulletproof my Accord locally? Without sending them off the the East Coast?

[Mr.C]

This guy will be pissed, now that his car is illegal, lol

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2137064689.html

[truong]

Why not just make bullets unbelievably expensive?
Try 5grand a bullet

[BNR32_Coupe]

Does your house look like a crack house? If not why are you worried about some breaking in looking for coke? If on the other hand it does look like a crack house it is time to get off revscene and pick up some cleaning materials.

If you use half your brain you will more than likely never be near a person getting shot at.
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you're a lumber mill manager and are placed in a position where you have to layoff thousands of uneducated, ignorant, and conservative blue-collars. of all the thousands that were laid off from their 50k/yr job, whats the probability that 1 will have a gun and be slightly mentally unstable? who's the scapegoat? do you think your mortality rate increased by any amount being the manager to make the layoff call?


these are just 2 scenarios that didn't require gang affiliation to warrant the need for protection against firearms.

in addition, you're a mob boss running an illegal drug ring who's had hundreds killed under his feet, laundered money, kidnapped people, etc etc. you really think a law like this is going to stop you from continuing to drive in your bullet proof ride?

maybe if people used half their brain they'd see how useless this law is at curbing gang related violence.

[Manic!]

you're a lumber mill manager and are placed in a position where you have to layoff thousands of uneducated, ignorant, and conservative blue-collars. of all the thousands that were laid off from their 50k/yr job, whats the probability that 1 will have a gun and be slightly mentally unstable? who's the scapegoat? do you think your mortality rate increased by any amount being the manager to make the layoff call?





I'm from Nanaimo and have a lot of family members and friends who work or worked in a mill. Generalizing them as ignorant, and conservative blue-collars is B.S. and compete nonsense. Your post really shows who the uneducated idiot really is.

[Teh Doucher]

You know they make cars that can withstand armor-piercing bullets and grenades.

Do you want ever officer to carry a bazooka?

There is no need of BP cars for law abiding citizens.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-03-05-security-cars_x.htm

thats like saying that no one needs a lambo or ferrari you asshat.

[Manic!]

thats like saying that no one needs a lambo or ferrari you asshat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need

A need is something that is necessary for organisms to live a healthy life. Needs are distinguished from wants because a deficiency would cause a clear negative outcome, such as dysfunction or death. Needs can be objective and physical, such as food, or they can be subjective and psychological, such as the need for self-esteem. On a societal level, needs are sometimes controversial. Understanding needs and wants is an issue in the fields of politics, social science, and philosophy.

[Teh Doucher]

well thanks for letting me know that Wikipedia works, got anything else there smart ass?

[BNR32_Coupe]

I'm from Nanaimo and have a lot of family members and friends who work or worked in a mill. Generalizing them as ignorant, and conservative blue-collars is B.S. and compete nonsense. Your post really shows who the uneducated idiot really is.

oh yeah? i guess a better example is what's the probability a small office worker in kits has a shotgun and goes hunting every season? the hypothetical scenario was based on who has a greater chance of owning a firearm.

btw I've taken a facility tour of a lumber mill before for a project. the workers there reinforced the stereotypes i heard prior to witnessing it for myself. maybe your family weren't canadian versions of rednecks, but I know a lot of mill workers who are. and be honest, you know it for yourself that a sizeable portion of mill workers are rednecks. we'd have to be naive to agree that mill workers have a near-equal amount of rednecks as any other workplace

of course, when people feel stupid, they always point the finger (in some cases they pull). maybe you were a little quick to hit the fail button there, champ. maybe you should've thought things through before using your finger to trigger the mouse cursor when hitting the fail button. you're quick to anger, maybe i should ask a mod if there's a way to bullet-proof my fail button

[MWR34]

next, are they going to ban secret compartments in your houses too? Since you know, only drug dealers and gangsters would ever want like a trap door or something. How about wearing jackets with too many hidden pockets? Are they going to ban those too?? fucking ridiculous.


what about our secretive concealed pockets in our clothes?
Solution!!
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41p5bSOfEJL.jpg

[Manic!]

oh yeah? i guess a better example is what's the probability a small office worker in kits has a shotgun and goes hunting every season? the hypothetical scenario was based on who has a greater chance of owning a firearm.

btw I've taken a facility tour of a lumber mill before for a project. the workers there reinforced the stereotypes i heard prior to witnessing it for myself. maybe your family weren't canadian versions of rednecks, but I know a lot of mill workers who are. and be honest, you know it for yourself that a sizeable portion of mill workers are rednecks. we'd have to be naive to agree that mill workers have a near-equal amount of rednecks as any other workplace

of course, when people feel stupid, they always point the finger (in some cases they pull). maybe you were a little quick to hit the fail button there, champ. maybe you should've thought things through before using your finger to trigger the mouse cursor when hitting the fail button. you're quick to anger, maybe i should ask a mod if there's a way to bullet-proof my fail button

Wow you visited a mill for a day and that makes you an expert.

Ya lets generalize a bunch of people based on there job and location. Even after all the mill closing have you ever heard of a shooting? All I here about is douche bag drug dealers killing each other on the mainland. And the only people I know that have PB cars are drug dealers.

[dangonay]

Wow. People so pissed at the government they will bitch about any law they pass, even if it will never apply to them or anyone they know.

Gangsters rarely get prosecuted for anything. Why? For many reasons. They are very well organized. They keep their mouths shut. They intimidate witnesses. And finally, and this is the biggest, they have lawyers that help them run their activities. They operate using very specific methods that have been fine-tuned by lawyers who understand the law and how the police operate. This greatly reduces their chances of getting caught, and even when they do get caught they often get off because of some loophole or minor mistake made by police.

I'm all for this law for several reasons:

1. It doesn't affect you or me and causes no hardship whatsoever to honest Canadians. So wealthy people or politicians will have to get a permit. Big deal. A few minutes of paperwork and a small fee are tiny compared to the cost of a bulletproof vehicle.

2. It didn't cost a lot of taxpayers money to pass this law. It's so obscure and affects so few people that it wouldn't have required to be tabled multiple times, it didn't require public consultation and didn't need to get re-written 10 times because of its wide scope.

3. It's a big fuck-you to gangsters. They get away with murder - literally. Anything that makes their life miserable I'm all for.


The police aren't going to be stopping regular people to see if their cars have been modded. They aren't going to travel from house to house looking for secret compartments. This gives them an excuse to pull over known gangsters and impound their vehicle and/or search a modified vehicle. That's it. Do you know how many times drug dealers have been caught with drugs in their vehicle, and got off because the police didn't have "reasonable grounds" to search their vehicle? Now they have reasonable grounds whenever they see a gangster in a modified or bulletproof car.

[Gridlock]

Wow. People so pissed at the government they will bitch about any law they pass, even if it will never apply to them or anyone they know.

Gangsters rarely get prosecuted for anything. Why? For many reasons. They are very well organized. They keep their mouths shut. They intimidate witnesses. And finally, and this is the biggest, they have lawyers that help them run their activities. They operate using very specific methods that have been fine-tuned by lawyers who understand the law and how the police operate. This greatly reduces their chances of getting caught, and even when they do get caught they often get off because of some loophole or minor mistake made by police.

I'm all for this law for several reasons:

1. It doesn't affect you or me and causes no hardship whatsoever to honest Canadians. So wealthy people or politicians will have to get a permit. Big deal. A few minutes of paperwork and a small fee are tiny compared to the cost of a bulletproof vehicle.

2. It didn't cost a lot of taxpayers money to pass this law. It's so obscure and affects so few people that it wouldn't have required to be tabled multiple times, it didn't require public consultation and didn't need to get re-written 10 times because of its wide scope.

3. It's a big fuck-you to gangsters. They get away with murder - literally. Anything that makes their life miserable I'm all for.


The police aren't going to be stopping regular people to see if their cars have been modded. They aren't going to travel from house to house looking for secret compartments. This gives them an excuse to pull over known gangsters and impound their vehicle and/or search a modified vehicle. That's it. Do you know how many times drug dealers have been caught with drugs in their vehicle, and got off because the police didn't have "reasonable grounds" to search their vehicle? Now they have reasonable grounds whenever they see a gangster in a modified or bulletproof car.

THAT is an awesome post. You changed my mind...a little bit.

Thanks!

[Psykopathik]

police aready pull over people for no reason. usually on Robson street.

all they have to say is "that car don't look safe. lets pull him over" they dont need another law

[Psykopathik]

Why not just make bullets unbelievably expensive?
Try 5grand a bullet

"Better put that shit on layaway"

:fullofwin:

[Psykopathik]

Does your house look like a crack house? If not why are you worried about some breaking in looking for coke? If on the other hand it does look like a crack house it is time to get off revscene and pick up some cleaning materials.

If you use half your brain you will more than likely never be near a person getting shot at.
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i forgot all grow ops have a big neon sign outside that says

"getcho weeed here, niggaz!"

[2damaxmr2]

Why not just make bullets unbelievably expensive?
Try 5grand a bullet

Yes like they are walking into a local gun store and buy a box of ammo.

[flagella]

^Pretty much, and would be scared to pull suspicious one due to fear of potentially getting shot.

[Culverin]

I'm all for this law for several reasons:

1. It doesn't affect you or me and causes no hardship whatsoever to honest Canadians. So wealthy people or politicians will have to get a permit. Big deal. A few minutes of paperwork and a small fee are tiny compared to the cost of a bulletproof vehicle.

...


The police aren't going to be stopping regular people to see if their cars have been modded. They aren't going to travel from house to house looking for secret compartments. This gives them an excuse to pull over known gangsters and impound their vehicle and/or search a modified vehicle. That's it. Do you know how many times drug dealers have been caught with drugs in their vehicle, and got off because the police didn't have "reasonable grounds" to search their vehicle? Now they have reasonable grounds whenever they see a gangster in a modified or bulletproof car.


I've nothing against the spirit of the law which is to target the criminals.
But this law also had collateral damage. This is just one more example where the government sticks its hand where it doesn't belong.

There's a reason the Americans have a right to bear arms.
For that exact same reason, it's why it's taking Egypt so very long to throw out a corrupted non democratically elected dictator.
Just because it doesn't apply to me in the here and now, doesn't mean I like enabling the government to more power than it should be entitled to.


I think time is better spent closing loopholes and creating stricter penalties.

You know how in the papers it always says "known to police"?
It wouldn't be very hard for them to tail those people and arrest them for any number of infractions.

The real root of the problem is the expensive and bloated justice system.
- If it was easy to grab the known criminals
- If they wouldn't have so many loopholes for them to make trial a lengthy process
- If jail wasn't a revolving door.
- If the cost of keeping them wasn't so bad.



Imagine that every dealer, armed criminal and repeat offender got locked away and never to see light. We'd never have to deal with idiotic laws such as this.


All this does is add more burden to a system.
Not fix it.

[gars]

^^ if only it was so easy to "fix" our justice system.

You have to remember that these lengthy processes are there to provide fair trials to everyone, not just to the criminals we want to get off the street, but also to prevent innocent people from being thrown in jail.

Things like tainted evidence that gets cases thrown out may seem like a loophole when a bad guy walks out innocent, but also prevents innocent people from being found guilty through planted evidence, etc.

Personally, I see no reason why someone would need an armoured car. And I don't really view this law as a slippery slope - leading to us going towards a Police State.