[dangonay]

With the announcement of the iPad 2 fast approaching, I figure it's time to start a new thread about Apple's upcoming second generation tablet.

So who's planning on getting one? What features are you looking forward to and which of the rumored features do you think are most likely to show up (and which ones are not gonna happen)? For me, this is the one I'm going to buy.
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[Manic!]

I'm waiting for the "Dam I just bought one" post.

[FerrariEnzo]

im trying not to be an apple fan boy.. my friend is sooo bad....

he currently has
iPhone 4, iPad, Macbook Air, iMac, AppleTV

he used to have
iPhone 2G, 3G, 3Gs, iPod Classic, Nano, Shuffle, iPod Video, 2 different laptops and 3 desktops...

he cant live without apple products at all... damn... Apple Loves him...

[ilvtofu]

I will be waiting for one to buy used when companies start giving them away and ppl just want to get rid of em... I feel like an apple fanboy too but sometimes it's just so much more convenient than using a laptop if you live in a bigger house.

I wouldn't mind picking up the 1st gen cheap though, just want it for browsing the internet, RS, stocks, etc.

[dangonay]

For the Mac owners (since I'm hoping you'll be reading this thread), I want to buy a Mac. I want it so I can run the iOS SDK and start writing my own Apps. What would be a good Mac to get? I doubt I need the fastest Mac to do this, so what's a good recommendation?

[LookHere_Sucka]

I'm waiting for the "Dam I just bought one" post.

I was seriously considering whether or not to get one.
Thanks for this thread :fullofwin:

I feel like all of apple's products don't have much of a difference from their predecessors imo. ie:iPod Touch 4th gen (3rd gen with a camera and facetime) Just wait a couple years for iPad 4 possibly. Not trying to bash apple anyways.

[ilvtofu]

For the Mac owners (since I'm hoping you'll be reading this thread), I want to buy a Mac. I want it so I can run the iOS SDK and start writing my own Apps. What would be a good Mac to get? I doubt I need the fastest Mac to do this, so what's a good recommendation?

The 21" is a relatively good deal i3 3 ghz processor with a student discount is $1250
If you want a laptop skip the white macbook and go for the pro for the extra $150 there are a few horror stories about those bodies not holding up, and you get 4gb of ram opposed to 2 with the standard macbook

[RacingMetro92]

How much do you think people would try to unload their 1st Gen iPads for when the second one comes out?

[gilly]

i hate to admit it... im a fan boy. ipod nano, iphone 3gs (waiting for white iphone 4), macbook pro, imac, apple tv. Only thing i don't have is Ipad... definitely going to get the ipad 2. don't know what I am going to use it for though lol. A large remote for my apple TV? rofl

[MaximalLazy]

i hate to admit it... im a fan boy. ipod nano, iphone 3gs (waiting for white iphone 4), macbook pro, imac, apple tv. Only thing i don't have is Ipad... definitely going to get the ipad 2. don't know what I am going to use it for though lol. A large remote for my apple TV? rofl

That sounds awfully stupid.

I don't see a good use of iPad or iPad2. It seems like a cool toy, and quite convenient, but not practical at all. Just my opinion

[JesseBlue]

That sounds awfully stupid.

I don't see a good use of iPad or iPad2. It seems like a cool toy, and quite convenient, but not practical at all. Just my opinion
c'mon..you can use it for internet..hehe...when the ipad 2 goes on the refurbished section of apple, them i'm probably in...i use an old cell phone with win mobile..so slow..hehe...but if they decide to sell the ipad 1 for $350 refurb, i'm in ~

[sulos]

That sounds awfully stupid.

I don't see a good use of iPad or iPad2. It seems like a cool toy, and quite convenient, but not practical at all. Just my opinion

My dad has one and they are cool as a toy but if I had a choice I would rather just buy a netbook. They are cheaper and can do more than an ipad.
I say that and I like apple, I own a Mac book pro and an iPhone 4. I would buy another apple product if I found a need it could fill. Right now my Mac book pro is 4 years old and still going strong, I will probably get another 2 years out of it.
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[Acura604]

so is it worthwhile to buy a used 1st gen IPAD now for around 450?

just need it for browsing the web.. emails.. odd game from the appstore.

prices for ipad 1st gens should dip down to 350 or EVEN lower when the
2nd gen arrives?

[gilly]

^ probably for used.. but not brand new.

[Ferra]

That sounds awfully stupid.

I don't see a good use of iPad or iPad2. It seems like a cool toy, and quite convenient, but not practical at all. Just my opinion
we have been using an ipad for sometime, and it is actually quite convenient and practical to use....i.e. browsing on your crouch in the living room, playing games, check something quick online...etc
it works a lot better than a tablet laptop or netbook.

However, whether it is worth the $800 price tag is highly subjective. (to some people, $800 is pocket change, to others, it is 1/2 their monthly salary)

imo...it is an overpriced gadget that works well.

[insomniac]

I'm waiting for the "Dam I just bought one" post.

DAMN I JUST BOUGHT ONE!!!!
I'm using it right now lol

[LiquidTurbo]

My prediction is that the iPad2 essentially will be a gigantic iPhone4.

It will feature front and back camera for facetime, glass with a glossy black appearance on the back, and Retina display.

You heard it here first =D

Oh, and no home button, replace with a 5 finger swipe to get to home.

[RESN]

I don't think iPad 2 will have retina display

[LiquidTurbo]

^ Not of the same pixel density of the iPhone4, but obviously a higher resolution than the current one of the iPad, which is fairly pixelated. Apple will think call this 'retina' which will appeal to the iPad sheepz:D.

[dangonay]

The 21" is a relatively good deal i3 3 ghz processor with a student discount is $1250
If you want a laptop skip the white macbook and go for the pro for the extra $150 there are a few horror stories about those bodies not holding up, and you get 4gb of ram opposed to 2 with the standard macbook
Going to pick up a 21" Mac tomorrow. Don't want a laptop as this is strictly for developing iOS apps, and don't need to do that on the road. :)

[dangonay]

The next couple months should be interesting. Not only for the iPad 2 but also for the numerous other tablets coming to market around the same time.

My prediction? The iPad 2 will be a huge success and will sell like hotcakes, allowing Apple to continue to dominate. The remainder of the tablet market will be fought over by the HP Touchpad, Motorola XOOM, RIM Playbook and all the others. There just isn't a big enough tablet market so that every manufacturer can expect to sell millions of their version. Which means there might be one or two successes, but most tablets are going to flop.

[Zyzz]

Going to pick up a 21" Mac tomorrow. Don't want a laptop as this is strictly for developing iOS apps, and don't need to do that on the road. :)

nice choice.. i have one too.

first thing u should do is download magicpref app. it allows much faster mouse movement and all the trackpad gestures on the mouse

edit: oh and xcode from the install disc too, doesn't come installed

[StylinRed]

Have you guys checked this @ engadget?

I know they don't have Ipad2 stats but you can get the idea of what features the ipad2 are likely to have

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-touchpad-vs-ipad-vs-xoom-vs-playbook-the-tale-of-the-tape/
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9287/tabletsf.jpg
personally i like that samsung tablet that has the commercials going atm but that's probably a bit dated like the ipad now too

[Teh Doucher]

theres already rumors of an ipad3 circulating lol

[Teh Doucher]

http://www.tipb.com/2011/02/09/apple-preparing-ipad-3-september/

[FerrariEnzo]

with these specs, the BB Playbook looks awesome.. what are the prices of them all
all 3 of these are way better compared to the iPad but for some reason, every likes it.. haha.. weird...

[Jmac]

I'll probably get the Touchpad or Playbook later this year ... It depends on the discount I get at work ... WebOS is awesome, but I haven't used the Playbook's OS yet.

Unless Apple completely revamps the iOS UI, the iPad/iPad 2 has zero appeal to me. Rows of icons with pitiful multitasking capability, ugh ...

[dangonay]

^ Not sure how the Playbook will work from a user perspective (touch screen, gestures, responsiveness), but their OS (QNX) is by far the most powerful and robust.

I think the TouchPad and Playbook have a chance simply because they're not Android. Seeing endless tablets all running Android and all having similar specs will put off consumers, IMO.
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[.Renn.Sport]

with these specs, the BB Playbook looks awesome.. what are the prices of them all
all 3 of these are way better compared to the iPad but for some reason, every likes it.. haha.. weird...

when no one bothers to write apps for it, it is as good as garbage

[goo3]

with these specs, the BB Playbook looks awesome.. what are the prices of them all
all 3 of these are way better compared to the iPad but for some reason, every likes it.. haha.. weird...

iPad's been out for a year already! It's easy to like a device that actually exists.

[StylinRed]

if apples got ipad 3 planned for september already than ipad 2 must suck compared to what's out from the competitors if thats the case you think they would just postpone or that is cut ipad 2 and call the ipad3 the ipad2


but i guess they figure they can make a killing anyhow

[dangonay]

iPad's been out for a year already! It's easy to like a device that actually exists.

This is what Apple has going for it. Imagine going into Best Buy and seeing a row of 20 different tablets, many from manufacturers only hardcore PC builders have heard about. Then trying to make a decision about which to buy. Then looking over and seeing an entire section related to iProducts. A tablet you've heard about and seen on TV for the last year. A second generation product (consumers love second generation stuff whether it's cars or electronics as it implies all the bugs are worked out). And the accessories. Hundreds of vehicle accessories, docks, cases and all the stuff people like to get for their gadgets.

Even the iPod connector, which is widely available from vehicle manufacturers (ever hear of an Android dock in a car)? BMW, for example, has a new feature whereby you can tether your iPhone to their iDrive system and get Internet access in your car. No plans for an Android version according to BMW. Come to think of it, even BMW calls their system iDrive. Everyone is using the iMonicker. How's that for market influence?

Other tablets are going to have a difficult time. Very difficult. Personally, I'm pulling for the Playbook because I work with QNX.
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[dangonay]

if apples got ipad 3 planned for september already than ipad 2 must suck compared to what's out from the competitors if thats the case you think they would just postpone or that is cut ipad 2 and call the ipad3 the ipad2


but i guess they figure they can make a killing anyhow
Two cameras, faster processor, faster graphics, smaller and lighter plus a few other goodies which aren't official. That makes it way better than the original iPad, which is plenty of reason for people to buy. And iPad 3 could simply be the high-end version which only certain people will buy. They have MacBook and MacBook Pro, why not iPad and iPad Pro?
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[ilvtofu]

Have you guys checked this @ engadget?

I know they don't have Ipad2 stats but you can get the idea of what features the ipad2 are likely to have

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-touchpad-vs-ipad-vs-xoom-vs-playbook-the-tale-of-the-tape/
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9287/tabletsf.jpg
personally i like that samsung tablet that has the commercials going atm but that's probably a bit dated like the ipad now too

For some odd reason my GF's dad loves the playbook, he had a chance to go try it out at waterloo and simply said it was amazing. I love iOS though and for some reason have doubts about the playbook, I liked the galaxy tab when I played with it too.

IIRC the playbook won't even have BBM which is the only reason you buy a bb these days, and obviously no keypad :troll:

[Teh Doucher]

first gen refurb ipad's are selling at xscargo now for $488.

[Levitron]

first gen refurb ipad's are selling at xscargo now for $488.

I'd rather buy refurb directly from Apple: http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad?mco=OTY2ODY4NQ

$479 for the refurb wifi 16gb version.

[TheNewGirl]

If the iPad2 doesn't have a USB port I'm STILL not touching it.

The Xoom is going to be about $750 and be only 3(4?)G, no Wifi only option.

The BB and HP will be about $500, the iPad2 should be just a little more than that.

Personally, I'm sold on the HP, or as a BB user I might go that way.

[goo3]

What can beat iPad + JB? They are so far ahead, it's not funny.

[!LittleDragon]

I dunno why these things are so expensive. Last month, I just bought a Viewsonic G Tablet for $280 at Sears... 10.1" screen, nVidia Tegra 2 dual core chipset, Android 2.2, USB port, MicroSD slot... I was honestly going to go for an iPad but the price really turned me off... plus the frustration I had of using my iPhone 4 (it now sits in a drawer) for 2 weeks when my Droid was in for repair.

[Manic!]

Looks like the playbook will be able to run Android apps.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=20893

[RevRav]

he currently has
iPhone 4G, iPad, Macbook Air, iMac, ApplyTV.

:fullofwin:

[mrks]

^

You missed ApplyTV

[FerrariEnzo]

haha i didnt realize that... thats what i get for not double checking...

[dangonay]

Looks like the playbook will be able to run Android apps.
I wonder what Google will think of a competing tablet that's trying to steal sales of Android tablets by running Android apps on a non-Android tablet?

[dangonay]

I dunno why these things are so expensive. Last month, I just bought a Viewsonic G Tablet for $280 at Sears... 10.1" screen, nVidia Tegra 2 dual core chipset, Android 2.2, USB port, MicroSD slot... I was honestly going to go for an iPad but the price really turned me off... plus the frustration I had of using my iPhone 4 (it now sits in a drawer) for 2 weeks when my Droid was in for repair.

I dunno, I've seen the reviews of the Viewsonic and I can see why it sells for so cheap. Can't charge through the USB port and have to use the supplied adapter? Need to sideload apps because you don't have access to the Market? And it lacks the fit & finish of an iPad.

Might be a good tablet for people who aren't afraid of customizing or loading their own software. But the average consumer wants something that works out-of-the-box, not something that needs "updating" to make it work really well.

Apparently, rumurs are that Sears and Staples aren't happy with the G Tablet for this very reason, since the people who shop their aren't tech-savvy and they're having "support" issues.

[JesseBlue]

I wonder what Google will think of a competing tablet that's trying to steal sales of Android tablets by running Android apps on a non-Android tablet?
i don't think they need to...hmm..the better question is how much do they get for units using their OS in their device?

[JKam]

Yeah I don't think google cares. The more devices that use Android the more money they make.

[dangonay]

^ But the RIM Playbook doesn't run Android - it runs QNX. What they are going to do is put some sort of VM or emulator to let Android apps run on QNX. Google wouldn't be getting any money since apps come from third party developers.
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[!LittleDragon]

I dunno, I've seen the reviews of the Viewsonic and I can see why it sells for so cheap. Can't charge through the USB port and have to use the supplied adapter? Need to sideload apps because you don't have access to the Market? And it lacks the fit & finish of an iPad.

Might be a good tablet for people who aren't afraid of customizing or loading their own software. But the average consumer wants something that works out-of-the-box, not something that needs "updating" to make it work really well.

Apparently, rumurs are that Sears and Staples aren't happy with the G Tablet for this very reason, since the people who shop their aren't tech-savvy and they're having "support" issues.

I'm not going to argue that the iPad is much better made but is it worth the extra $200 for the cheapest iPad? USB charging is not an issue for me, at .5 amps, it'll take forever to charge any tablet via USB.

I bought a tablet for the sole reason of replacing my laptop for road trips. Other than that, I have no use for a tablet as I have laptops and PC's in pretty much every room in the house. On road trips, my passenger has to hold a heavy laptop for the navigation and entertainment. Not to mention the tangled mess of wires. The goal was to replace it with a tablet with only the power cable plugged in and audio piped to the car via bluetooth. The Viewsonic with a bluetooth gps and another 16gb card cost me less than $350. I would've had to spend nearly $400 extra for an Apple product with similar specs. For what I use it for.... is worth an extra $400? Not to mention having to put up with iOS?

[goo3]

^ You're not complaining about the UI Viewsonic threw on top of their tablet? Everyone seems to want to root it so they can throw a new one on. But if it does what you need for cheap, then whatever. I'm still running a 3 yr old $350 PC.

What bugs you about iOS?

[dangonay]

For a good laugh, go back and read the original iPad thread.

Offical iPad Thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/official-apple-ipad-t604110.html)

Although, if you were one of the haters you might not want to go back and see how wrong you were. iFail. iCrap. It'll never sell. The HP Slate/Asus Eee/Whatever is an iPad killer that'll steal all Apple's sales. The iPad is only slightly better than a stone tablet. And so on.

[dangonay]

!LittleDragon, why not wait a couple months? With all the new tablets there's going to be some smoking deals on existing ones. Did you need one that quickly?

[Zyzz]

For a good laugh, go back and read the original iPad thread.

Offical iPad Thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/official-apple-ipad-t604110.html)

Although, if you were one of the haters you might not want to go back and see how wrong you were. iFail. iCrap. It'll never sell. The HP Slate/Asus Eee/Whatever is an iPad killer that'll steal all Apple's sales. The iPad is only slightly better than a stone tablet. And so on.

actually the only use i can think of for the Ipad still, is to put one in each of my washrooms. Same for the ipad 2.

[!LittleDragon]

^ You're not complaining about the UI Viewsonic threw on top of their tablet? Everyone seems to want to root it so they can throw a new one on. But if it does what you need for cheap, then whatever. I'm still running a 3 yr old $350 PC.

What bugs you about iOS?

I'm not complaining about it because the device lets me replace the rom. Only takes a few mins and you have something way better than Viewsonic originally put out. Even if you don't want to replace the rom, you can install a new launcher and customize to your liking.

I'm not a fan of iOS for several reasons...

- Lack of customization. Even with a jailbroken iphone, there's only so much you can do
- Lack of widgets... has to do with the lack of customization. The interface really resembles that of an old colour Palm Pilot.
- iTunes.... Why did I have to install this just to activate the phone? Why is everything tied to it? Something that should be easy like custom ringtones can't be done without iTunes
-Multitasking doesn't work well and doesn't always work


Those are major issues I've had from using my iPhone 4 for 2 weeks. I got the thing for free through Fido and the original plan was to sell it for a top of the line Android but while I was trying to sell it, my Milestone crapped out so I decided to crack open the iPhone and use it. After 2 weeks, I was frustrated to the point that I switched back to my WinMo phone for the 3rd week til my Milestone was fixed. I just use the iPhone as a travel phone now.

[!LittleDragon]

!LittleDragon, why not wait a couple months? With all the new tablets there's going to be some smoking deals on existing ones. Did you need one that quickly?

I dunno, I figure $280 was a smoking deal already for a Tegra 2 powered tablet. The Moto Xoom is essentially the same thing inside and it's rumoured to be $800ish.

[LiquidTurbo]

For a good laugh, go back and read the original iPad thread.

Offical iPad Thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/official-apple-ipad-t604110.html)

Although, if you were one of the haters you might not want to go back and see how wrong you were. iFail. iCrap. It'll never sell. The HP Slate/Asus Eee/Whatever is an iPad killer that'll steal all Apple's sales. The iPad is only slightly better than a stone tablet. And so on.

I travel a lot so I see PLENTY of people with iPads on the airplanes and airports. I always glance over their shoulder to see what they are doing.

From recent memory.


1. A guy was plugged into the iPad w/ headphones listening to music, (GLee Soundtrack to be specific) and looking at the album art, flipping back to the play list, switching songs, switcing back, looking at the album art, rotating the iPad to see the album art flip, back to the play list, adjusting the volume with his finger on the slidy volume button. He did they on his iPad for about 5minutes I was observing him on the plane. Everytime he flipped the iPad to see the album art flip he would do it with this deliberate gesture like "look at me! i have an iPad and the screen flips when I turn the thing!!!!!!!"

It was bloody hilarious.

2. Another guy was reading his email, then going back to home, browsing through his apps, then back to his email, then back to home screen, looking at his folders of apps, browsing more email. Did this aimlessly for a few minutes.

3. A guy playing Sudoku

4. A woman playing angry birds

5. A guy playing angry birds

6. A guy browsing CNN.


This is why the iPad is a fail, even though people buy them. An expensive piece of equipment wasted on doing menial, trivial things, that would be far more efficient on a laptop or iPhone.

Maybe one day, when the iPad runs full OSX, and as powerful as a computer, and that it can truly portable computer, that's when we can hail it a success and a useful too.

Currently it is a glorified iPod touch, and a toy. And really, for the price, get a laptop, a piece of machinery where you can actually do some work. I wish I was rich so I could buy one of these to play with when I'm taking a dump.

[Manic!]

The most powerful tablet out right now.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/asus-asus-eee-12-1-tablet-featuring-intel-dual-core-i5-processor-470um-ep121-1a004m-english-silver-ep121-1a004m/10162673.aspx?path=9a38417832e33cb1bcbd276744b3ae8 8en02

[dangonay]

I travel a lot so I see PLENTY of people with iPads on the airplanes and airports. I always glance over their shoulder to see what they are doing.

**snip**

This is why the iPad is a fail, even though people buy them. An expensive piece of equipment wasted on doing menial, trivial things, that would be far more efficient on a laptop or iPhone.

Maybe one day, when the iPad runs full OSX, and as powerful as a computer, and that it can truly portable computer, that's when we can hail it a success and a useful too.

Currently it is a glorified iPod touch, and a toy. And really, for the price, get a laptop, a piece of machinery where you can actually do some work. I wish I was rich so I could buy one of these to play with when I'm taking a dump.
I commute on Skytrain and I see people doing useless AND useful tasks on laptops or iPads. I see people travelling playing Solitaire on their laptop. Doesn't make laptops useless, even if the person is doing something trivial.

You might not think a tablet is useful, but I can think of several ways in which a tablet would allow me to get more work done each day, which is why I'm buying one soon.

[LiquidTurbo]

^ interested, do explain.

[Teh Doucher]

i wouldnt buy an ipad to replace a laptop, id buy one to use in place of a laptop for those little menial things like web browsing and email etc, which is what its actual purpose is. laptops usually get to hot or are too heavy to actually keep in your lap while your on the couch, plus most have a very shitty battery life.

[insomniac]

This is why the iPad is a fail, even though people buy them. An expensive piece of equipment wasted on doing menial, trivial things, that would be far more efficient on a laptop or iPhone.


thats probably the majority of the ipad users i guess..
its like cars. theres the small community that likes to mod their cars and ones that can care less about their cars. ones that buy bmw's and benz's just for looks and not what manufactures built them for. there are lg's that drive m3's and can care less about the car. do you think they bought the car for the performance? i doubt half of them did. you probably saw the large population of the people that can care less about thier ipads. the rest of the people that mod their ipad, you have no idea how much we actually use them.

i have both the iphone 4 and the ipad also. the ipad can do more things than the iphone for sure. i actually prefer browsing website on the ipad over a computer/laptop and even the iphone. sure it might be a pain in the ass to carry around, but i only use my laptop for school and the ipad can achieve all my needs. i like the ipad even more because i get notifications (social and for work) and i can easily write down what i have to do in the app, "things" (its like a agenda) and the ipad doesnt lag like a bitch when i run alot of things. the ipad is alot more user friendly and accessible imo. i hear alot of "the ipad sucks cause you cant type stuff in word docs and no flash". i oppose that because there are apps where you can save stuff in pdf's and word docs and add ons and apps that can run flash. "notes plus" is even better than microsoft word imo cause you can highlight stuff faster and make charts easier than ms word. then you can save it to a pdf or email it to yourself. if you know how to use your ipad, its way more convenient than using a desktop/laptop. the ipad loads apps in a few seconds whereas computers take more time. you can switch programs easily with multitasking.

i wouldnt say "the ipad is a fail". its not a fail product because there is actually a pretty good demand for them. you cant just say its a fail because there are people do useless shit on them. in fact most of the people i know just use their computers to go on facebook, twitter, blogs, forums, music and homework. wouldnt that make computers fail? different products have different uses and i fully beileve apple achieved what they wanted to make. they made the ipad for a reason. although the ipad may be over-rated and overpriced, i wouldnt say its a fail. i am satisfied for what i paid for and i would say that its actually pretty efficient. im not a apple fanboy either, i actually prefer android over iOS but iOS is so developed i love it.

i hope no offense was taken, but im just trying to say that the ipad isnt a "fail" and it most importantly is efficient. once again, different consumers use their products differently. just because a product is over priced doesnt mean its fail. there are many things a ipad can do a laptop cant do too btw. the ipad is awesome for entertainment and can achieve things for work and that is already kick ass.. i cant see myself playing game or being entertained on a bus by a laptop.

im not a apple fanboy btw. i dont like mac computers.

[LiquidTurbo]

i am satisfied for what i paid for and i would say that its actually pretty efficient.



^ Why are you selling yours in your Signature then? :troll:

[insomniac]

I just turned 17 and I'm not mommy sponsored lol. I have to pay my own phone bills buy my own clothes etc. 0 allowance :( remember I was asking what camera I should get? Yeah I got the d90 and that was a huge hole in my wallet lol

You teach me how to take good pics ill show you why the iPad is awesome :D

traded my old iphone 4 for the iPad! 150$ profit right there :fullofwin:

[goo3]

For a good laugh, go back and read the original iPad thread.

Offical iPad Thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/official-apple-ipad-t604110.html)

Although, if you were one of the haters you might not want to go back and see how wrong you were. iFail. iCrap. It'll never sell. The HP Slate/Asus Eee/Whatever is an iPad killer that'll steal all Apple's sales. The iPad is only slightly better than a stone tablet. And so on.

No matter what they say, Apple haters are far more vocal than the fanboys. Most of them have their heads far up their asses as I found out when shopping for a laptop. In fact, most of the ppl who recommended the MBP were objective and normal.

The haters' criticisms are usually garbage because they don't care about what you need, but only about what they think you need (which is what they themselves want and need).

[goo3]

Currently it is a glorified iPod touch, and a toy. And really, for the price, get a laptop, a piece of machinery where you can actually do some work. I wish I was rich so I could buy one of these to play with when I'm taking a dump.

They call the iPad more of a consumption device, so it's purpose isn't to really produce stuff, although there's some apps that are really good.

[insomniac]

^ yeah as much as the gamer I was years ago, I only cared for specs back then. I cared for specs last year too.. I remember perfectly a year ago when i was arguing with people whether the milestone was worth 500$ or not. Milestone vs g1 or some shit.. Every little detailed mattered LOL. We had a oveclocked htc g1 and did speed tests and shit before and after mods lol.
Okay sounds like we had no life but that's the geek I used to be. I remember getting a iPhone 4 when it came out off craigslist for a killer deal of $550 bnib cause the guy wanted to keep his berry. I played around for a while and I was like "meh it's no different from my old ipod touch." then shortly after I sold it. After reading forums and the iPhone 4 thread I got pretty jealous and bought one just to fuck around in December because I got it for a steal too. Battery life was a huge upgrade for what the iphone is capable for and it didnt as much lag because of mods. Sure the specs cant compare to androids, droids are faster and cheaper. Notification system isnt shit, fully customizable and the widgets kick ass. Honestly im very bored of using the droid. Perhaps I need my entertainment?

I don't think I can live without my games and stuff from iOS from now on lol. Although I'm about to get a desire as a phone I'm still gonna use an iPod touch 4. As for other tablets no matter how cheap they are and how fast they are they will all be pretty similar imo. iPad is unique in its own way. I actually dont mind iTunes at all.. What better way is there to sync your songs? Drag and drop? LOL. I love the auto backup and syncing. My iPad had nothing in it and when I synced it to iTunes all my contacts from my phone was there. Email was set up for me and favorite playlists, custom playlist, browser bookmarks all neatly filed, I don't know what's with all the hate for it. Just takes time to get used to I guess. I doubt other net books tablets have a battery as long lasting as the iPad either.. At 11:55-12:02 I typed that post up there and now it's 12:31 and I've been playing fruit ninja online, music thru the speakers and the battery is at 98%.. If you are a consumer for entertainment, no other tablet or netbook can beat the ipad IMO.

[FerrariEnzo]

I just turned 17 and I'm not mommy sponsored lol. I have to pay my own phone bills buy my own clothes etc. 0 allowance :( remember I was asking what camera I should get? Yeah I got the d90 and that was a huge hole in my wallet lol]
so how do you get money to pay for all those? do you work fulltime and go school?

[dangonay]

^ interested, do explain.

I waste 40 minutes a day on Skytrain commuting (it'd be over an hour if I drove). I read e-mails to get a head start on my days work. On my iPhone 4 (or any smartphone) reading short e-mails is OK, but reading longer e-mails or documents is a PITA. Doesn't matter how sharp the screen is.

Many of my e-mails contain PDF's with technical documents. These are the worst to try and read on a smartphone. So I wait until I get to work.

At work, I often have to print out technical documents and especially wiring diagrams before I go to look at a problem. I then take my 10+ pages of diagrams out to a vehicle I'm looking at while performing diagnostics/testing.

The ability to read (and store via iBooks) PDF files is alone worth the price of an iPad. I can read documents sent to me "comfortably" while commuting and I keep can iPad in front of me as a reference for my wiring diagrams/technical documents instead of wasting paper printing what I need. And if I need another page I forgot to print originally, I can simply flip over to it instead of running back to the desk to print more pages.

[insomniac]

so how do you get money to pay for all those? do you work fulltime and go school?

Been buying and selling shit on craigslist since grade 9 lol
About to start a Facebook store
Worked at starbucks last summer and currently at Rogers video
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Edit: hope you're reading this vsvs, I can care less about the fails but can you give me reasons why you're hating on the iPad??

[dangonay]

Two recent news items that I find are interesting:

- The first is that Apple has apparently spent $3.9 billion to "buy up" 60% of the global supply of touch screen displays used in iPads from the major suppliers. So I guess this leaves all the other tablet manufacturers to fight over the remaining 40%?
:Popcorn

- Apple has 83% of the paid App market with a value of $1.8 billion in 2010. RIM was 2nd with $156 million, Nokia 3rd with $103 million and Google 4th at $102 million. Now if you were a developer, what platform would you want to develop for if you wanted to get a return on your investment?

[CP.AR]

I still see no point with these tablets. I really still don't get the hype associated with it.

Maybe I'm old school, but reading documents I really need a piece of paper, something tangible I can scribble on and mark-up. Judging from how "the iPad, with it's larger screen means you can read the newspaper on a large display with clear, legible text without feeling cramped" , soon we will have tablets the size of a 20" monitor.

seriously, 4" of screen space is enough, anything beyond that (ala HTC Evo 4G) is a joke. IMO if you are going to carry that much screen real estate with you, why not bring a netbook? why not bring a convertible netbook? - it isn't going to fit in your pocket anyway

it's a fun toy nonetheless; I'll give Steve Jobs the credit for creating such a huge hype machine, it is really nothing more but a scaled ipod touch

[JesseBlue]

^ thats why its a success...its a novelty that people want...now do they really need it? some might but some might not...

you might think 4" is enough but some might like 8" some might like 21" (if one exist)...i remember reading a post regarding TVs...'but the biggest that you can get so you won't have regrets about buying the bigger tv later'...almost the same type of mentality here..

[!LittleDragon]

There were many tablets available long before Apple came out with the iPad. They ran anything from Android to full blown Windows. The Apple hype machine made tablets popular.

[LiquidTurbo]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/apple-ceo-just-six-weeks-live-report-20110217-071343-958.html

[CP.AR]

^ dang that sucks.... he was such an icon, without him I fear that Apple will just go back to the little hole they dug before jobs came back with the iMac.

Well, best to him, and I can only hope this rumour is false.

[Mr.Money]

ipad is Fail...you see how many are in the FS forum let alone craig's list?..

[JordanLee]

^ Just cause a lot of things are on RS and CL means its a fail? Give me a break. Oh look, a lot of iPhones and PS3s on Craigslist. Must've mean those were fails too?

[!LittleDragon]

^ dang that sucks.... he was such an icon, without him I fear that Apple will just go back to the little hole they dug before jobs came back with the iMac.

Well, best to him, and I can only hope this rumour is false.

Not many people remember that Apple almost went bankrupt over 10 years ago.... saved by Microsoft with a $110 million stock purchase, they took that money and developed the ipod. The rest is history

[Manic!]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/apple-ceo-just-six-weeks-live-report-20110217-071343-958.html

It's not confirmed

I typed "Apple CEO has just six weeks to live" into goggle and all the links were from news papers in India. The Yahoo story is by By Indo Asian News Service.

[highfive]

Ipad 2 Rumoured to Announce Mar. 3

http://kara.allthingsd.com/20110222/exclusive-apple-ipad-2-event-set-for-march-2/

[Sky_2000]

Apple iPad 2 Event Set for March 2

http://kara.allthingsd.com/20110222/exclusive-apple-ipad-2-event-set-for-march-2/

[gilly]

new rumours. no sd card and no change in screen resolution.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/sources-ipad-2-lands-in-thinner-body-with-spec-bump-and-cameras/

[Mr.HappySilp]

If the iPad2 doesn't have a USB port I'm STILL not touching it.

The Xoom is going to be about $750 and be only 3(4?)G, no Wifi only option.

The BB and HP will be about $500, the iPad2 should be just a little more than that.

Personally, I'm sold on the HP, or as a BB user I might go that way.

Apple product will never put a USB port on it. Is not "Cool" enough for them.
I am still deciding if I should get an IPAD2. I mean I got a laptop that I got during Chirstmas and I used it less then 10hours and give it to my sister lol.

I rather use my desktop since is faster, more confortable to use and it is a bigger screen. Not to mention I like to game a lot so a powerful desktop is needed.

IPAD is nice for those monents where I want to check something quick but my desktop is on pretty much the whole time and if it is off I usually just turn it on grab a drink and come back.

It doesn't seem to serve what I want but it does seem cool to play games with it say you are out with your friends and you want to play some games in the car, or use it to connect to my home network and stream video (not sure if you can do it with IPAD but I know Iphone I can do that).

I guess I would rather spend my money get a better video card or a bigger monitior.

[insomniac]

need to sell my ipad fast before prices drop LOLLL
before the announcement at least

[gilly]

Announcement tomorrow at 10am

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/01/were-liveblogging-from-apples-ipad-2-event-tomorrow-be-ther/

[Psykopathik]

if it doesnt fit in my pocket, i wont buy it.

[ddr]

actually, i've been longing a tablet the exact size of a piece of paper. WAY too many journal articles to read, and way too many downloaded magazines that are too annoying to pinch and zoom at every page. even better is if it was in color e-ink.

then again, they expected ppl to buy the interactive versions online.

[insomniac]

so ipad 2 might have a white front?
im guessing its gonna be lighter,
obviously a camera and faster?

[highfive]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41869053

Ipad 2 will be faster and higher resolution.

Thinner than the iphone 4 at 8.8 mm.

Comes in White and Black.

Shipped in the US on Mar 11 and probably in Canada on the 25.

[sonick]

That iPad smart cover is f'n brilliant industrial design.

[jeff19]

hmm looks pretty slick, but still not sold tbh. still seems like a scaled iphone to me.

[joquio]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41869053

Ipad 2 will be faster and higher resolution.

Thinner than the iphone 4 at 8.8 mm.

Comes in White and Black.

Shipped in the US on Mar 11 and probably in Canada on the 25.


I think they drop the higher resolution screen, didn't they?

[highfive]

I don't know. They just say 9x faster graphics. I assume it's the resolution too? if not, my bad.

[Expresso]

I don't know. They just say 9x faster graphics. I assume it's the resolution too? if not, my bad.

No screen and resolution are the same.

Faster graphics processor (gpu) and better processor (cpu) and HD video output are the main improvements. I rather wait for Ipad3.

[dinamix]

Yea when's the iPad 3 coming? iPad 2 is a fucking joke. I don't give a shit about garagreband
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[MG1]

Not many people remember that Apple almost went bankrupt over 10 years ago.... saved by Microsoft with a $110 million stock purchase, they took that money and developed the ipod. The rest is history

Not many people realize that Microsoft did that so they can keep the creativity component of the industry alive. Where else would you be able to rip off cool ideas from?

Apple was Microsoft's R&D department. :troll:

[MG1]

Yea when's the iPad 3 coming? iPad 2 is a fucking joke. I don't give a shit about garagreband
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And why would you? You probably couldn't arrange two notes to create a dissonant chord, let alone a harmonized one.

[Phat_R]

I like it! New cover is cool.

[LiquidTurbo]

hmm looks pretty slick, but still not sold tbh. still seems like a scaled iphone to me.

It can't even make phone calls

[ajax]

Not many people realize that Microsoft did that so they can keep the creativity component of the industry alive. Where else would you be able to rip off cool ideas from?

Apple was Microsoft's R&D department. :troll:

That and they would have pretty much had a monopoly on the computer market lol
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[unit]

hmm looks pretty slick, but still not sold tbh. still seems like a scaled iphone to me.

it is a scaled iphone, but its not "just" a scaled iphone if thats what you're saying.
i think its one of those products that you'll understand once you spend some time using.

[Shead]

so they implemented all this jazz into the ipad 2, when they could of done all this in the ipad 1 to begin with.... money hungry mongols!

[MG1]

Well, the cool thing with Apple is they not only create the hardware, they also create the software as well.

We all know that the the idea/concept of the GUI was the brainchid of another company........ Xerox??? (can't remember exactly which company).

Everyone gets ideas from someone else............

[stuff99]

No ram increase.

Not much to write home about on this update.

iPad 3 rumours are already starting up...supposed to be out before end of the year lol

[!LittleDragon]

Well, the cool thing with Apple is they not only create the hardware, they also create the software as well.

We all know that the the idea/concept of the GUI was the brainchid of another company........ Xerox??? (can't remember exactly which company).

Everyone gets ideas from someone else............


Palm Pilot + colour :D

[AzNightmare]

So is the black shirt and blue jeans his uniform?
I see Steve Jobs' wearing that every conference.

[Acura604]

sort of offtopic..and er..on topic.

can someone expand on this 'personal hotspot'? i.e. if I have a 3G dataplan on my iphone then i can create some sort of 'wifi' zone for other devices to share that 3G? is that correct? and if so..would rogers/fido/telus charge extra for that capability even though it'll be built into the o/s.?

[Ch28]

http://i.imgur.com/jJqkF.png

[jeff19]

it is a scaled iphone, but its not "just" a scaled iphone if thats what you're saying.
i think its one of those products that you'll understand once you spend some time using.

Yah i understand the added use of having a bigger screen, cuz thats basically what differentiates the iphone from the ipad and allows it to be labelled a tablet - its screen size. But what i was trying to say is that apple shouldve done more to make it a proper 'tablet', and create a new OS for tablet use. like android did with honeycomb.
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[JesseBlue]

for $350 i would say nice time to get one...

[trd2343]

From annonymous Apple staffer,

"For the iPad 2 don't get your hopes up too high. That's all I'm going to say. They've had a number of problems along the way, and the third-generation iPad is the one to make a song and a dance about."


http://www.pcworld.com/article/221101/forget_apple_ipad_2_reports_say_ipad_3_is_the_one_ to_watch.html

[ecsw]

sort of offtopic..and er..on topic.

can someone expand on this 'personal hotspot'? i.e. if I have a 3G dataplan on my iphone then i can create some sort of 'wifi' zone for other devices to share that 3G? is that correct? and if so..would rogers/fido/telus charge extra for that capability even though it'll be built into the o/s.?

yes. as long as ur data plan allows tethering (most companies has minumum 1GB to allow tethering), then u r ok.

it's supported in Android 2.2 and up.

CDMA iPhone has it first, now 4.3 on iPhone 4.
similar to MyWi on JB iphone.

[t8v6]

not too fond of the iOS even though i own an iphone myself. wouldn't have bought one if there wasn't a jailbreak. but the smart cover is just brilliant. everyone buying an ipad 2 will be buying a cover as they go hand in hand.

[LiquidTurbo]

the case is actually a selling point lol.

[ilvtofu]

^Lol just look at zagg shares today

[LiquidTurbo]

Actually I must say the iPad is growing on me. It does fill a very specific niche.
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[goo3]

garage band demo on the keynote is pretty impressive

use the accelerometer to see whether you're striking a key soft or hard

[theevilslave]

time to save money for the ipad 3.
which obviously is going to be way better than the ipad 2...
apple doesn't realize that some people are getting annoyed with their annual releases with "minor" updates... :facepalm:

[bakasam]

time to save money for the ipad 3.
which obviously is going to be way better than the ipad 2...
apple doesn't realize that some people are getting annoyed with their annual releases with "minor" updates... :facepalm:

Heh thats why i plan on sticking to a 2 or 3 year refresh on my iphone :P rather than do it anually

[StylinRed]

soooo

apple "adds" hdmi support but they dont include a mini-hdmi or hdmi plug so you're forced to buy their adapter for like $40

they don't include a sd card slot so you're forced to pay $100 for 16gb more memory instead of $20

and they steal the idea of the "smart cover" from another company that makes ipad cases


man i know i want to get my mom an ipad but its just so hard to support apple when they're constantly screwing ppl

[DanHibiki]

iPad will never be a pc alternative to me since you can't do multiple things at once. This was understandable for the iPhone since the screen is so small but it would be nice if the iPad allowed you to, for example, watch a video on the top right, have msn chat window on bottom right, and have safari open on the left side. If this becomes possible I may jump over.


Damn I should email Steve jobs that idea! Break the iPad to 4 different sections of the screen.
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[DanHibiki]

Also I'm quite surprised they didn't include the retina display. Found that very odd and disappointing as I thought the retina display alone is worth getting the iphone4 over te 3gs
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[LiquidTurbo]

time to save money for the ipad 3.
which obviously is going to be way better than the ipad 2...
apple doesn't realize that some people are getting annoyed with their annual releases with "minor" updates... :facepalm:

"2011 is the year of the iPad 2. "

That's a hint that you won't be seeing the iPad3 until 2012. Happy waiting.

[!MiKrofT]

time to save money for the ipad 3.
which obviously is going to be way better than the ipad 2...
apple doesn't realize that some people are getting annoyed with their annual releases with "minor" updates... :facepalm:
Meh even though "some" ppl are gettinga annoyed they're still gonna sell millions and make a killing. I'm sticking with Android tablets.

[Hehe]

I find the iPad2 to be an iPad S at the very most.

Nothing new were introduced really. It's just a speedier version with a fancy case and camera (which should have come in the first version to begin with)

[dangonay]

There is no iPad 3. Why would Apple make one? The iPad 2 is good enough to dominate for another year and relegate Xoom, Playbook, TouchPad and all the others to distant wannabees in sales.

I think the iPad 3 rumor is a cheap shot by the competitors intended to make people wait so they can get their tablets to market, instead of people jumping on board and buying an iPad 2 right now.


Minor upgrades? LOL at all the comments saying the iPad 2 is a minor upgrade from the original. It's really funny going over to the Android forums and seeing everyone say that the Playbook, Xoom and TouchPad are way better then the iPad simply because they are dual core. Then Apple adds dual core to the iPad 2 and suddenly it's a "minor upgrade". They all say that graphics on Android tablets are way better than the iPad, and Apple ups their graphics performance and again it's a "minor upgrade".

[Culverin]

???

Apple Fanboy much?


How is the ipad better than the playbook?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/ipad-2-vs-blackberry-playbook-of-course-you-realize-this-means-war/15990

or the Xoom?
http://images.tipb.com/images/stories/2011/03/ipad_2_xoom_optimus-pad_galaxy-tab_touchpad_playbook_specs.jpg

Simply requiring iTunes is enough to turn off a lot of people.

[Oleophobic]

^
App store + iOS4 + Safari are the biggest reasons why people inseminate their pants when using apple products. I'm on the android bandwagon now but even so I miss the app store and safari. A lot of people forget that user experience >>>> specs. Sure, most of us here are very tech savvy. But to a majority of the people the market caters to...not so much.

Anyhow I'm looking forward to playing around with the ipad 2 and the galaxy tab 10.1

[ilvtofu]

Yeah there is no comparison for app support it's not about being fanboy. Android isn't bad for apps but for ones that are optimized for a tablet apple still leads the way

I am willing to bet good money that the iOs still runs smoother than the playbook
there is so much more that you can't see just by looking at on paper specs

[LiquidTurbo]

^ from the hands on videos it looks so snappy fast.

major downside for me is that i use multiple computers and laptops... iPad can only sync with one??

[gilly]

^ only 1?? Are you sure about that??

[dangonay]

I recently bought an iMac. Now that iPad prices dropped I'll be getting one and also an iPad 2 when it cones out. If there's an iPad 3 I'll get that too. Does that make me a fanboy? Hardly. I'm starting to develop apps for iOS, and the SDK only runs on Mac. So I had to buy one. To test my apps I need the iPads to ensure they work properly.

One thing for sure: I won't be wasting my time developing apps for Android. I have no desire to develop for 10 different tablets each with slightly different configurations. Nor do I want to invest in buying that many tablets just to ensure my apps work on all of them.

But the main reason I won't develop for Android is I'm not about to gamble on an unproven market. There are too many tablets coming out. They can't all be successful. Maybe they'll all get a small piece of the market or maybe a couple will do really well while the others disappear. Regardless, I'm not getting in the middle of that mess. It's even worse with the TouchPad or PlayBook which run their own OS. I think they will do well on the business/enterprise market (especially the PlayBook because of QNX).

With the iPad I already have 15 million potential customers with easily another 15 million this year. Why would anyone want to develop for Android tablets, I don't know.
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[Manic!]

I recently bought an iMac. Now that iPad prices dropped I'll be getting one and also an iPad 2 when it cones out. If there's an iPad 3 I'll get that too. Does that make me a fanboy? Hardly. I'm starting to develop apps for iOS, and the SDK only runs on Mac. So I had to buy one. To test my apps I need the iPads to ensure they work properly.

One thing for sure: I won't be wasting my time developing apps for Android. I have no desire to develop for 10 different tablets each with slightly different configurations. Nor do I want to invest in buying that many tablets just to ensure my apps work on all of them.

But the main reason I won't develop for Android is I'm not about to gamble on an unproven market. There are too many tablets coming out. They can't all be successful. Maybe they'll all get a small piece of the market or maybe a couple will do really well while the others disappear. Regardless, I'm not getting in the middle of that mess. It's even worse with the TouchPad or PlayBook which run their own OS. I think they will do well on the business/enterprise market (especially the PlayBook because of QNX).

With the iPad I already have 15 million potential customers with easily another 15 million this year. Why would anyone want to develop for Android tablets, I don't know.
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You think you will bw able to sell enough apps to turn a profit?

[dangonay]

^ It's a little more complicated than that as my "product" is hardware and the iPad is mearly the interface to program it. But yes, I expect to turn a profit or I wouldnt have invested in an iMac/iPads.

Besides, the money I invested in developing the hardware makes the price of an iMac/iPad seem like pocket change. ;)

At least I don't have to worry about my tablet becoming obsolete or being dis-continued, which is far more important to me than a "spec sheet".
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[dimdiu]

I recently bought an iMac. Now that iPad prices dropped I'll be getting one and also an iPad 2 when it cones out. If there's an iPad 3 I'll get that too. Does that make me a fanboy? Hardly. I'm starting to develop apps for iOS, and the SDK only runs on Mac. So I had to buy one. To test my apps I need the iPads to ensure they work properly.

One thing for sure: I won't be wasting my time developing apps for Android. I have no desire to develop for 10 different tablets each with slightly different configurations. Nor do I want to invest in buying that many tablets just to ensure my apps work on all of them.

But the main reason I won't develop for Android is I'm not about to gamble on an unproven market. There are too many tablets coming out. They can't all be successful. Maybe they'll all get a small piece of the market or maybe a couple will do really well while the others disappear. Regardless, I'm not getting in the middle of that mess. It's even worse with the TouchPad or PlayBook which run their own OS. I think they will do well on the business/enterprise market (especially the PlayBook because of QNX).

With the iPad I already have 15 million potential customers with easily another 15 million this year. Why would anyone want to develop for Android tablets, I don't know.
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you have to purposely buy an Ipad to test out your own app?? Y didn't you get an iphone?...after all an Ipad is just a blown up version of an Iphone:fullofwin:

[DanHibiki]

you have to purposely buy an Ipad to test out your own app?? Y didn't you get an iphone?...after all an Ipad is just a blown up version of an Iphone:fullofwin:

Wrong. There are apps made specifically for the iPad.

[dimdiu]

ah my bad, just playing around

[LaidbacK]

is it possible to download movies from torrents and watch it on the ipad2?

[goo3]

???

Apple Fanboy much?


How is the ipad better than the playbook?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/ipad-2-vs-blackberry-playbook-of-course-you-realize-this-means-war/15990

or the Xoom?


http://images.tipb.com/images/stories/2011/03/ipad_2_xoom_optimus-pad_galaxy-tab_touchpad_playbook_specs.jpg

Simply requiring iTunes is enough to turn off a lot of people.

When you come 1 yr late to the market, it's you who needs to be better, not the other way around.

[C5_Ryder]

I find it funny that people always bash Apple. They are the ones that lead the portable music, smart phone and tablet markets. Everyones following, and reacting to what they do.

Without Apple you wouldnt even have alternatives yet alone choices.

Be thankful for Apple. You dont have to buy Apple, but dont bash them for being innovative.

just my 2 cents. i will be buying a Ipad 2.

[!LittleDragon]

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/03/steve-jobs-reality-distortion-takes-its-toll-on-truth/

[SuperSlowSS]

No ram increase.

Not much to write home about on this update.

iPad 3 rumours are already starting up...supposed to be out before end of the year lol

I am not sure if you are serious or not. But who cares how much ram it has. If it can run everything smooth and fast. Then it can have 128mb for all I care.

[Manic!]

I find it funny that people always bash Apple. They are the ones that lead the portable music, smart phone and tablet markets. Everyones following, and reacting to what they do.

Without Apple you wouldnt even have alternatives yet alone choices.

.

Apple killed the MP3 player market. Before the Ipod there were number of MP3 player makers now it's hard to find an alternative to the crappy Ipod. and yes the Ipod is a crappy MP3 player compared to other MP3 payers.

[gilly]

^ If the ipod is a crappy player, why is it "hard" to find an alternative to an Ipod? lol

[Manic!]

^ If the ipod is a crappy player, why is it "hard" to find an alternative to an Ipod? lol

Because it has killed the competition.

[dangonay]

Apple killed the MP3 player market. Before the Ipod there were number of MP3 player makers now it's hard to find an alternative to the crappy Ipod. and yes the Ipod is a crappy MP3 player compared to other MP3 payers.

If the iPod is so crappy, then what other MP3 players would you consider superior, and why?

[Manic!]

If the iPod is so crappy, then what other MP3 players would you consider superior, and why?

Creative Zen Stone/plus is cheaper than the shuffle, has a screen uses a mini USB cable that is also used with Digital camera's, remotes, portable hard drives, and many other devices and can be bought for a $1.00.

But the biggest thing is it has no software/bloatware and acts like a mass storage device just like a USB thumb drives and external hard drives. I can connect it to any computer and add any files (not just mp3's)to it just buy right clicking it and then going to send to. The sound quality is also better and has a built in mic for recording.

The plus version has a built in speaker.

[Great68]

The iPod, for all it's great innovation has TERRIBLE sound quality.

I would think that sound quality should be the most important attribute in something that plays music.

Of course most of the general public can't tell the difference between a 96kbps mono MP3 and FLAC, but I can.

No question with the iPod Apple was on top with it's interface, features and "cool" factor however I was willing to trade off those things for better sound quality, since I spend most of my time Listening to my Mp3 player, and not playing with it's features.

[DanHibiki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv5FrDRant4

QUick watch it before it gets taken down for copyright reasons.

[dangonay]

I personally think all MP3 players sound like crap. I use my iPod (iPhone 4 actually) at work in a dock for music. Same thing in both of my cars (which have iPad docks and steering wheel controls to operate). I don't really care about which one sounds better since they all sound like shit compared to my home audio system, which is where I listen to music.

As an audiophile (I'm not the kind of audio buff that claims to hear the difference between $500 or $1,000 cables) I really enjoy my music. But only at home as anything else I listen to music on (my dock, my car, my earphones) is just for background. Kinda like listening to the radio. And for that any MP3 player on the market would do. So I'm going to get the one that operates how I like.


And having the ability to store files on my iPod or iPhone is of no use to me whatsoever. I have a USB thumb drive for that, and I keep it on my keychain. Why the hell would I want to carry around a USB cable just so I could attach my MP3 player to a PC to transfer files when I can simply plug in my thumb drive directly?

[Manic!]

I personally think all MP3 players sound like crap. I use my iPod (iPhone 4 actually) at work in a dock for music. Same thing in both of my cars (which have iPad docks and steering wheel controls to operate). I don't really care about which one sounds better since they all sound like shit compared to my home audio system, which is where I listen to music.

As an audiophile (I'm not the kind of audio buff that claims to hear the difference between $500 or $1,000 cables) I really enjoy my music. But only at home as anything else I listen to music on (my dock, my car, my earphones) is just for background. Kinda like listening to the radio. And for that any MP3 player on the market would do. So I'm going to get the one that operates how I like.


And having the ability to store files on my iPod or iPhone is of no use to me whatsoever. I have a USB thumb drive for that, and I keep it on my keychain. Why the hell would I want to carry around a USB cable just so I could attach my MP3 player to a PC to transfer files when I can simply plug in my thumb drive directly?

320kps MP3's from my MP3 player sound great on my studio monitors. I don't know why anyone calling themselves and audiophile would listen to crap.

The best part about the mini USB cable is everyone's got one and I have one that can fit in my wallet. It also makes it so I only need one cable for my camera MP3's player and GPS. I can go to my buddies house and grab something off his computer without need any special software or syncing up.

MP3's players should not need 300MB+ bloatware for them to work.

[goo3]

The iPod, for all it's great innovation has TERRIBLE sound quality.

I would think that sound quality should be the most important attribute in something that plays music.

Of course most of the general public can't tell the difference between a 96kbps mono MP3 and FLAC, but I can.

No question with the iPod Apple was on top with it's interface, features and "cool" factor however I was willing to trade off those things for better sound quality, since I spend most of my time Listening to my Mp3 player, and not playing with it's features.

This is a pretty good discussion:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/541200/why-do-90-of-the-people-use-ipod-iphone-as-their-portable-player

Examples:


Ooh, I can feel the animosity oozing from the OP. The ipod/phone has quite possibly the best overall package of apps, web browser, intuitive UI, and sound quality. A jack of all trades, master of maybe some. Have you tried, like, actually reading the portable source forum? Here's one thread discussing the iphone's SQ: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/499008/iphone-4-sound-quality

Fairly positive from what I could tell, I also owned one, acceptable sound to say the very least.


I would never have touched an iPod - especially after reading some of the threads on head-fi. The problem is that you have some who say great things about them - then others who scorn their SQ.

This year, I got a Touch Gen4 (through a rewards scheme). My original idea was to sell it for reasonable money in NZ - then buy a J3 when I'm in the US next month. I was coming from a Cowon iAudio7 (great little DAP) .... and I'd read a lot of bad things about iPods not having good SQ.

So I got a chance to actually try it.

How wrong I was. The SQ on the Touch I think is as good if not better than the J3 (personal opinion OK) - I'm talking about non/flat EQ. Cowon has excellent EQ capability and BBE - but I just really like the straight up sound of the Touch now. And there are two apps (EQU and Equalizer) that add full manual EQ capability to the Touch as well. Mostly I listen with no EQ - and just use the apps when I need to.

I have an entry level amp/DAC on the way - so I'm looking forward to seeing if that makes even more improvement.

For those who do 'bag' the ipods - I'd suggest actually trying a Touch - and if you get the opportunity, try and do it for at least a day. I'm keeping mine, and only regret now is that I only went 32Gb instead of 64Gb. I have the Cowon iAudio7 as a backup - but I don't think I've actually used it for weeks now.

The one thing that peeves me a bit now is the people who do make comment on the ipods - without actually trying them. IMO they're contributing to a continuing myth that the ipod has poor SQ.


I'm pretty sure some iPods have had terrible SQ. But the recent ones seem to be at least good.. and they support lossless compression but only Apple's own ALAC.

[dangonay]

I don't know why anyone calling themselves and audiophile would listen to crap.

Yeah, I guess I should install a high-end system at work, in my car and ask shopping centres, malls and elevators to upgrade their systems so I don't have to listen to low quality audio anywhere I go. Did you miss the word "background" in my post?

I have friends over all the time to listen to my system and all of them can easily hear the difference between an MP3 and an original recording. They also don't care - the MP3 sounds good enough for them. This is why most consumers don't bother to buy audiophile gear and are perfectly happy with a $500 all-in-one home theatre receiver or $1,000 home theatre system. I also show them my gaming rig and they're all like "why spend so much money on a pair of graphics cards - isn't one enough"? They have computers they bought at Best Buy and are perfectly happy as they do all the stuff they want. They also think gaming should be done on consoles, and for them (and most consumers) they're right.



You're trying to take the position of the technonerd and apply it to the general consumer. Oooh, this tablet has better specs. This one has extra ports. This one has a faster processor. Blah blah blah. The average consumer doesn't give a damn about specs. They care about the user experience.

Apple gets this, and the technonerds don't. This is they get so upset when Apple is so successful - they can't comprehend anyone spending money on something that lacks features they think are necessary. Necessary to them maybe, but not to the general public. Then they turn around and call people who buy Apple products "stupid", "fanboys" or "sheeple" before heading back into their rooms to install that new heatsink and spend hours playing with overclocking settings to extract another 1.2% speed increase from their system.


You know, I bet Samsung and the other tablet makers hate the Apple haters. You go into a forum and see stuff like "you're a fucking idiot to buy an iPad, you should get a Galaxy Tab instead". Does this make the average consumer go "well, I don't want to be a fucking idiot so I'll buy a Galaxy Tab"? No, it probably makes them go "I don't want to buy something that some bitter ignorant person says I should" and they'll avoid the product altogether. I think the haters are actually increasing Apple's sales numbers and hurting the competition they're trying to promote.

[Manic!]

Yeah, I guess I should install a high-end system at work, in my car and ask shopping centres, malls and elevators to upgrade their systems so I don't have to listen to low quality audio anywhere I go. Did you miss the word "background" in my post?

I have friends over all the time to listen to my system and all of them can easily hear the difference between an MP3 and an original recording. They also don't care - the MP3 sounds good enough for them. This is why most consumers don't bother to buy audiophile gear and are perfectly happy with a $500 all-in-one home theatre receiver or $1,000 home theatre system. I also show them my gaming rig and they're all like "why spend so much money on a pair of graphics cards - isn't one enough"? They have computers they bought at Best Buy and are perfectly happy as they do all the stuff they want. They also think gaming should be done on consoles, and for them (and most consumers) they're right.



You're trying to take the position of the technonerd and apply it to the general consumer. Oooh, this tablet has better specs. This one has extra ports. This one has a faster processor. Blah blah blah. The average consumer doesn't give a damn about specs. They care about the user experience.

Apple gets this, and the technonerds don't. This is they get so upset when Apple is so successful - they can't comprehend anyone spending money on something that lacks features they think are necessary. Necessary to them maybe, but not to the general public. Then they turn around and call people who buy Apple products "stupid", "fanboys" or "sheeple" before heading back into their rooms to install that new heatsink and spend hours playing with overclocking settings to extract another 1.2% speed increase from their system.


You know, I bet Samsung and the other tablet makers hate the Apple haters. You go into a forum and see stuff like "you're a fucking idiot to buy an iPad, you should get a Galaxy Tab instead". Does this make the average consumer go "well, I don't want to be a fucking idiot so I'll buy a Galaxy Tab"? No, it probably makes them go "I don't want to buy something that some bitter ignorant person says I should" and they'll avoid the product altogether. I think the haters are actually increasing Apple's sales numbers and hurting the competition they're trying to promote.

You asked what was better then an Ipod and I post one up. You haven't given me one reason why the Ipod is better or easier to use.

Do you feel special calling yourself an audiophile?

[dangonay]

You asked what was better then an Ipod and I post one up. You haven't given me one reason why the Ipod is better or easier to use.

Do you feel special calling yourself an audiophile?

I asked why it was better and you gave no answer that would apply to the general consumer. Sound quality? Pretty much any MP3 player will satisfy consumers. Store files on your MP3 player? I don't know anyone that does that. Everyone I know has a thumb drive. Typical anti-Apple talk - find a feature that most people don't care about and try to make it seem like it's the most important, then come to the conclusion that Apple is crap and almost anything else is better.

I already mentioned one huge advantage of the iPod/iPhone - integration. As in they work perfectly with both my cars (neither of which, btw, has a USB interface unless I pay extra for it). As in you can choose from an infinite number of docks to use.


No I don't feel special being an audiophile. Nor do I feel special being a PC gamer. Way to completely miss the point. I'm in the minority - I spend money on things the average person doesn't care about, even though they know it's better. I'm simply trying to explain why Apple is so successful, even if products like the iPad 2 might lack some hardware features (like SD or mini-USB). That is, the average person doesn't care about whether A is technically better than B. What they care about is if it works well for them.


Do you feel special with your "superior to Apple" MP3 player?

[dangonay]

In other news....

- Apple is offering $100 back to anyone who bought an iPad in the 2 weeks following the announcement of the iPad 2.

- Google announced changes to their development platform for Android to reduce fragmentation. Which is one of the reasons I already gave for my reason to not develop for Android - too many different systems.

[Manic!]

I asked why it was better and you gave no answer that would apply to the general consumer.


Ease of use. Has a screen. built in FM. Costs less. I think all those would apply to Joe 6 pack.

[breh]

lol @ Hyde/Renn.Sport failing people for saying bad things about Apple. I love how that little queerbait only used overpriced Sony Vaio laptops until he started noticing everyone was using MacBooks and jumped onto the bandwagon too. I bet he doens't even know why he's even using a Mac.

[Senna4ever]

I still don't understand why they would include cameras on tablets...you'd look like goddamn fucking Moses on Mt. Sinai taking photos with one of those things.

[Senna4ever]

Apple killed the MP3 player market. Before the Ipod there were number of MP3 player makers now it's hard to find an alternative to the crappy Ipod. and yes the Ipod is a crappy MP3 player compared to other MP3 payers.
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. I used to have an iRiver MP3 player, and it was and still is much better sounding than my newer iPod and iPhone4. The iPhone4 is better than my iPod 80GB though, but still not as good as the iRiver. For portable music, the MiniDisc still rules in my book, unfortunately it never took off in N. America. Hell, I bet my old tape cassettes played on my Sony Walkman sound better than on my iPhone.

^ If the ipod is a crappy player, why is it "hard" to find an alternative to an Ipod? lol
The sound quality of iPods is just adequate, I don't know why people waste their money on high end ear/headphones for iPods - There's just too much of the sound spectrum (proper terminology?) missing from MP3 files to really get anything out of them.

I think it's the user interface and the seamless-ness of iTunes that just makes it a "better" user experience. Most consumers have never listened to a high end audio system to know that the music they are listening to on an iPod is not very good.

[Oleophobic]

I still don't understand why they would include cameras on tablets...you'd look like goddamn fucking Moses on Mt. Sinai taking photos with one of those things.
I'd use the camera primarily for webcamming

[TRDood]

So who is going down to the states on Mar.11?

Thinking of buying a couple and flip them in Canada. :troll:
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[goo3]

I don't know why people waste their money on high end ear/headphones for iPods - There's just too much of the sound spectrum (proper terminology?) missing from MP3 files to really get anything out of them.


For my ears (and I don't have dog ears), high bit rate mp3s sound pretty good behind a good driver and a good pair of headphones.

Where it fails is when you play them on a decent set of speakers.. the imaging pretty much disappears, whereas on headphones, you don't get any imaging anyhow.

IIRC, the mp3 algorithm chops off a bunch of stuff (proper terminology!) on either end and cuts the sounds that are "hidden" by other sounds according to how they believe your perception of hearing is supposed to work.

[dangonay]

I still don't understand why they would include cameras on tablets...you'd look like goddamn fucking Moses on Mt. Sinai taking photos with one of those things.

Yet one of the biggest complaints of the anti-Apple group is that they didn't have front & rear cameras on the original iPad. Again, implying a feature is "necessary" so they can then claim your product is junk since it doesn't have that feature.

Personally I think a camera on the back is something I'd probably never use.


Most consumers have never listened to a high end audio system to know that the music they are listening to on an iPod is not very good.

Lots of people have (including all my friends). It's not that they don't know - it's that they don't care. As long as something is "good enough" that's all that matters. It's only a small portion of the consumer market that prefers "high quality" goods, whether it be cameras, stereo equipment, food & wine or whatever.

[LiquidTurbo]

I still don't understand why they would include cameras on tablets...you'd look like goddamn fucking Moses on Mt. Sinai taking photos with one of those things.

Webcam and skype, yo!

[Kim Jong Un]

I'm stoked for those myspace mirror photos with the iPad 2.

[LiquidTurbo]

^ BAHAHAHAH

[Senna4ever]

Lots of people have (including all my friends). It's not that they don't know - it's that they don't care. As long as something is "good enough" that's all that matters. It's only a small portion of the consumer market that prefers "high quality" goods, whether it be cameras, stereo equipment, food & wine or whatever.
That's just sad....it's the same type of person that goes to AYCE sushi or cheap dim sum I guess.

[LiquidTurbo]

That's just sad....it's the same type of person that goes to AYCE sushi or cheap dim sum I guess.

lol. No one I know goes back to cheap AYCE after they've had quality sushi.

I've heard quality audio and have no problems going back to iPod. Besides, hooking it up to a car.. a car has terrible soundstage for listening to music.

You just can't beat the conveniece of the iPod.. (well, iPhone4 for me), since the iPhone right now for me is the ultimate all-in-one device for me.

I'm willing to sacrifice a small amount of SQ for that instead of carrying another mp3 player around...

[Teh Doucher]

So who is going down to the states on Mar.11?

Thinking of buying a couple and flip them in Canada. :troll:
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sounds like a good idea to me

[.Renn.Sport]

I think it's the user interface and the seamless-ness of iTunes that just makes it a "better" user experience. Most consumers have never listened to a high end audio system to know that the music they are listening to on an iPod is not very good.

it depends how you hook it up using the headphone jack could only go so far.
my mp3s all sound great in my Panamera's Burmester, the lossless files sounds even better.

iTunes is by far one of the best music management tools out there, especially accross multiple i-Devices and please, don't bring up that its a resource hog, its just your shitty computer not fast enough

[.Renn.Sport]

lol @ Hyde/Renn.Sport failing people for saying bad things about Apple. I love how that little queerbait only used overpriced Sony Vaio laptops until he started noticing everyone was using MacBooks and jumped onto the bandwagon too. I bet he doens't even know why he's even using a Mac.

I've been using a Mac ever since Apple decided to use a proper CPU
and I'm probably one of the most early adopters to iOS and a developer before anyone even had an iphone here.

oh and btw, Sony Vaio's arent overpriced. its just you probably can't afford it

[DanHibiki]

I fucking hate iTunes with a passion

[dangonay]

^ My iPhone 4 crapped out this week (home button quit working). Got another one sent via UPS only 2 days after I called in (under warranty).

Connected my new iPhone to iTunes and it realized it was new and asked if I wanted to restore from another backup. Restored from my previous phone backup and it went flawless. All I had to do was re-enter a couple passwords (which don't get saved) and I was up and running. Everything was exactly as it should be - it was as if my phone was cloned. Even stuff I don't care about (like my missed call list) were restored.

Yeah, iTunes sucks all right.

[JordanLee]

So who is going down to the states on Mar.11?

Thinking of buying a couple and flip them in Canada. :troll:
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Same, I'm down. Wheres the closest one? Southcenter?

[TRDood]

Well, we will have a golden 14 days opportunity until Canada launches. However, if there's no wait for it here in Vancouver, I would be stuck with the damn Ipad2 which I don't even use.

I will decide then on Friday... damn it.

There are 5 Apple stores in Washington, take your pick.

[jeff19]

Same, I'm down. Wheres the closest one? Southcenter?

Closest one is Alderwood. Southcenter is probably the farthest one to get to lol

[!LittleDragon]

^ My iPhone 4 crapped out this week (home button quit working). Got another one sent via UPS only 2 days after I called in (under warranty).

Connected my new iPhone to iTunes and it realized it was new and asked if I wanted to restore from another backup. Restored from my previous phone backup and it went flawless. All I had to do was re-enter a couple passwords (which don't get saved) and I was up and running. Everything was exactly as it should be - it was as if my phone was cloned. Even stuff I don't care about (like my missed call list) were restored.

Yeah, iTunes sucks all right.

Similar thing happened to my Milestone 2 months ago. Got the replacement phone, entered my gmail credentials and swapped SD cards... took less than 10 mins without having to install software on my PC. Similar experience with my old Winmo phones too.

Unfortunately, I actually do have iTunes installed for the iPhone4 I use like once every 2 months since I got it.. I really wish I didn't need it

[JordanLee]

Well, we will have a golden 14 days opportunity until Canada launches. However, if there's no wait for it here in Vancouver, I would be stuck with the damn Ipad2 which I don't even use.

I will decide then on Friday... damn it.

There are 5 Apple stores in Washington, take your pick.

Isn't it going to be impossible to get one unless we line up Thurs night/Fri Morning?

[TRDood]

Isn't it going to be impossible to get one unless we line up Thurs night/Fri Morning?

I don't know, but we always see line ups in Vancouver because rich kids are all spoiled here. Take a look at the iphone4 launch back in July, people keep on lining up to no end.

At that time, I was working in Ottawa. It only took me about 20 minutes to wait in line for one after work at 5pm on launch date.

So I hope the demand in the down south is less than Vancouver. :fullofwin:

[Vale46Rossi]

Hmm, how long is the drive to the alderwood apple store?

[LiquidTurbo]

Hmm, how long is the drive to the alderwood apple store?

.........We live in 2011, where information is at your fingertips!


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Vancouver,+BC,+Canada&daddr=3000+184th+Street+SW,+Lynnwood,+WA+98037+(Al derwood)&hl=en&geocode=Faqq7wIdOW6p-CmzT6lD8XOGVDGL84Gb6paRuw%3BFZTR2QIdakG2-CEfaH9yyRYXIg&mra=pd&sll=48.584577,-122.758546&sspn=2.013112,5.202026&ie=UTF8&ll=48.545705,-122.651367&spn=2.014704,5.202026&z=8

[Manic!]

^ My iPhone 4 crapped out this week (home button quit working). Got another one sent via UPS only 2 days after I called in (under warranty).

Connected my new iPhone to iTunes and it realized it was new and asked if I wanted to restore from another backup. Restored from my previous phone backup and it went flawless. All I had to do was re-enter a couple passwords (which don't get saved) and I was up and running. Everything was exactly as it should be - it was as if my phone was cloned. Even stuff I don't care about (like my missed call list) were restored.

Yeah, iTunes sucks all right.


Why does an Ipod shuffle need software that does all that?

[Senna4ever]

My does an Ipod shuffle need software that does all that?

What?

[Manic!]

What?

The same software used for the Iphone is the same software that has to be used by the shuffle. Seems overkill to me for someone that just owns a shuffle.

[dangonay]

Similar thing happened to my Milestone 2 months ago. Got the replacement phone, entered my gmail credentials and swapped SD cards... took less than 10 mins without having to install software on my PC. Similar experience with my old Winmo phones too.

Unfortunately, I actually do have iTunes installed for the iPhone4 I use like once every 2 months since I got it.. I really wish I didn't need it

Having an SD card would be the best way to restore your phone, and I wish Apple had this.

Regardless, my iTunes restore was painless and quick as well. And there are a lot of phones without SD cards that aresn't so easy to backup/restore.

[bakasam]

Not confirmed but someone may want to look into this

My mom said she heard on the radio that they will only be selling Ipad 2's to US citizens on March 11. So for those who are driving down Thurs night/Fri Morning you might want to do some research just in case. Not sure how Apple will enforce this though (check id? :S?).

[Hehe]

^

I think this is bull... plus, how do you enforce it? it's not like US citizens carry their birth certificate with them all the time

[Simplex123]

Same, I'm down. Wheres the closest one? Southcenter?

They're selling them at target. Soooo Bellis Fair!
http://www.padgadget.com/2011/03/07/target-ready-for-ipad-2-on-march-11/

[Simplex123]

I wouldn't get an iPad.. What's the point of getting a tablet with no flash..? Can't even stream while you're on the bus or skytrain. Playbook, Xoom or even the TouchPad seems like a much better choice. This is just an oversized iPhone 4.. I swear they're gonna update the iPhone with Photo Booth in a few months.

[dangonay]

Geez, they're going to sell a ton of these. Walmart and Target only got the iPad back in October after all the hype had died down. Oh yeah, Verizon also got the iPad in October.

Now you've got all the Apple stores plus major retailers selling them on launch day. I could see some sales records being broken if Apple was able to deliver enough stock to each store.

[!LittleDragon]

I dunno... Apple lost about 20% of the tablet market in the 4th quarter to Android. It even baffles me how that happened when basically the only Android tablet that were readily available at the time was the 7" Galaxy.

[dangonay]

I wouldn't get an iPad.. What's the point of getting a tablet with no flash..? Can't even stream while you're on the bus or skytrain. Playbook, Xoom or even the TouchPad seems like a much better choice. This is just an oversized iPhone 4.. I swear they're gonna update the iPhone with Photo Booth in a few months.

Flash is shit and the sooner it dies the better.

What's really funny is Android people saying Android is an open source system and iOS is closed/proprietary. WTF do you think Flash is? It's 100% proprietary and controlled by a single company (Adobe). If Android was truly open source, they should be supporting HTML5 and not Flash.

[!LittleDragon]

Flash is shit and the sooner it dies the better.

What's really funny is Android people saying Android is an open source system and iOS is closed/proprietary. WTF do you think Flash is? It's 100% proprietary and controlled by a single company (Adobe). If Android was truly open source, they should be supporting HTML5 and not Flash.

Android does support HTML5, it also supports Flash. Shit or not, Flash is still an internet standard and to not support it takes away from the user's web experience. I guess not having flash does block a lot of ads...

[Manic!]

Flash is shit and the sooner it dies the better.



The real reason Apple doesn't support flash is it would kill it's app store. Why would people buy games when the can get flash games for free from sites like www.miniclip.com.

[ssonss1]

Anyone know if my CDN Visa will work in the US apple store? I have a US shipping address in Blaine, WA (aunt's house).

[!MiKrofT]

Also. Why does Apple need to incessantly say they're better than android? 2011 the year of the copycats? Pfft. There's absolutely no need to put that in the presentation. Users will buy the ipad2 regardless.

[stuff99]

So when does the Xoom come out in Canada?

[Vale46Rossi]

I wouldn't get an iPad.. What's the point of getting a tablet with no flash..? Can't even stream while you're on the bus or skytrain. Playbook, Xoom or even the TouchPad seems like a much better choice. This is just an oversized iPhone 4.. I swear they're gonna update the iPhone with Photo Booth in a few months.

So when does the Xoom come out in Canada?


LOL when they fix 4g and flash.


Why market something that beats iPad due to flash and start selling it without flash at start... :failed:

[dangonay]

You know, Android does not equal Flash. I don't know why people always say things like "at least my phone/tablet supports Flash" when Flash support is fragmented depending on which device you have. Even the Xoom started shipping without Flash support (they say it'll be available Spring 2011). How fucking lame is that? The latest tablet with the Saviour for Android (Honeycomb or v3.0) and it lacks Flash. And ask any owner of an older Android phone if they're still waiting for an update to run the latest version of Flash, or if it will ever become available for their phone. What's the point of supporting a "standard" if you can't even run the newest version?

As to Galaxy Tab sales, there's a lot of debate about numbers shipped to retailers vs numbers actually sold to consumers. I know one thing - in my daily Skytrain commute I have yet to see a Galaxy Tab being used by someone, although I know they're out there. I see several iPads every day. Where is this 20% market share? Not in Vancouver, that's for sure. And after trying a Galaxy Tab at Rogersi can see why. Plastic, cheap feeling and not very responsive.
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[dangonay]

^

I think this is bull... plus, how do you enforce it? it's not like US citizens carry their birth certificate with them all the time

Why does it matter? Is two weeks too long to wait? Do you need an iPad 2 as soon as it comes out so you can be cooler than the next guy?
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[!MiKrofT]

4G is fixed. But since we don't support it here who cares.

[VK79]

You know, Android does not equal Flash. I don't know why people always say things like "at least my phone/tablet supports Flash" when Flash support is fragmented depending on which device you have. Even the Xoom started shipping without Flash support (they say it'll be available Spring 2011). How fucking lame is that? The latest tablet with the Saviour for Android (Honeycomb or v3.0) and it lacks Flash. And ask any owner of an older Android phone if they're still waiting for an update to run the latest version of Flash, or if it will ever become available for their phone. What's the point of supporting a "standard" if you can't even run the newest version?

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Even the owners/creators of flash are working on a flash -> HTML5 converter. LOL

"Ah, if only we could flip a big happy switch and convert all the web's Flash content into (functional) HTML5 code. It's a dream shared by many and, funnily enough, the company pushing to make it a reality is none other than Adobe itself, the owner and proprietor of Flash. "

Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/08/adobe-outs-experimental-flash-to-html5-conversion-tool-calls-it/

[LiquidTurbo]

Man, why did they have to pull VLC from iPhone/iPad? That app was so amazing, being able to play just about any format.

It would have been a good reason to get the iPad, just load up whatever media and go...

[Iceman_2K]

get the app off of apptracker or installous

[JordanLee]

Anyone going Friday? If so who wants to carpool?

[absolution]

Anyone going Friday? If so who wants to carpool?

I am haha, Btw it is teddy =)

[dangonay]

Lots of reviews for the iPad 2 are up and they're all pretty impressed.

What's interesting is one area they all seem to agree on is how the iPad 2 "feels". You pick one up and it just feels great in your hands and gives the impression of a high-quality well engineered product (not the same can be said for other tablets, some of which actually "creak" when picked up because of the plastic flexing//bending).

Any photographers in here? They'll know exactly what I'm talking about - some cameras/lenses just feel solid and well made while others feel like "cheap plastic", even though they may both perform equally well.


This is someting that doesn't show up on spec sheets, but makes a big difference to consumers when looking at something in a store. And it could be the biggest selling point when consumers get to pick them up alongside competitors tablets.

[Vale46Rossi]

I m driving down to the states in 1 hr!

[JordanLee]

Apparently they release at 5pm on Friday. You're going to line up for that long?
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[TRDood]

I'm going down after school/work tomorrow.

There are so many places that sells it.. just stay out of I-5 and find a store that's not filled with BC-ers.

[JordanLee]

Im off work at 5. Can I join? :)

[Vale46Rossi]

Apparently they release at 5pm on Friday. You're going to line up for that long?
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My group is purchasing 20+ so we are going to Portland!
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[JordanLee]

Sick. No tax. Getting super antsy for one.

[LiquidTurbo]

^ but you going to smuggle them across the border? duty?

[TRDood]

My group is purchasing 20+ so we are going to Portland!
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I think limit is 1 per person. But so many stores will be having it.
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[LaidbacK]

Are there any microsoft WORD/EXCEL apps in the app store?

[TRDood]

^ but you going to smuggle them across the border? duty?

Duty for electronics such as the ipad is 0%. You only need to pay HST.
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[Vale46Rossi]

Limit is 2 per person we are now at Portland.

Reason we came down here it's because we avoid state tax and we can happily pay the custom tax because we don't have to pay 10% extra for state tax!

Word and excel is a different program for iPad!
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[JesseBlue]

Are there any microsoft WORD/EXCEL apps in the app store?
use pages and numbers...

[TRDood]

Limit is 2 per person we are now at Portland.

Reason we came down here it's because we avoid state tax and we can happily pay the custom tax because we don't have to pay 10% extra for state tax!

Word and excel is a different program for iPad!
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Did lines start forming already? I am going to lay off the ipad2 flipping idea. Going premium on CL is only about 10%, I see even only $50 mark ups.

[JordanLee]

Ship em to HK :). Wait out until they actually drop and the prices should go up.

[Vale46Rossi]

Did lines start forming already? I am going to lay off the ipad2 flipping idea. Going premium on CL is only about 10%, I see even only $50 mark ups.

Ship em to HK :). Wait out until they actually drop and the prices should go up.

Not in portland.

But I am shipping more than 20+ now to taiwan :D

[jeff19]

is anyone able to buy online ?? i thought it was 1am for online ?

edit: nvm

[Hehe]

Posting on iPad 2... :D

It's lighter and the thinner profile does make it easier to hold for long time (iPad 1 gave me hand sore after 30min)

Camera is crappy. Feels a lil faster to load stuff. Still haven't gotten used to the new white color.

[TRDood]

Now in Lynnwood. Going to camp tomorrow morning at Apple.

All Target stock are hurting. They only have about 10 for stock.
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[Ronin]

A bunch of my friends got theirs tonight. I'm sticking with my first gen...the update isn't enough to convince me to buy a new one.

[JordanLee]

Went to Bellevue and was like 300th in line. I couldn't afford to wait in the line since I had to make it to a buddies party at 9 so I left halfway through. On my way home I went by the Lynnwood Bestbuy and actually secured a White 32GB Wifi. They had all the 3G models in stock at the position in my line too. Sucks that BB is only one per customer tho. In the end came home a happy camper. Now time to resell lol.

[TRDood]

Lining up at Lynnwood right now... There's NOBODY. Fuuuuuuuuuuu

I am 1st, right outside the store.

[qwerty123]

is there a line now over there at lynwood?

[atb112]

Lining up at Lynnwood right now... There's NOBODY. Fuuuuuuuuuuu

I am 1st, right outside the store.

Know if they'll have stock today? Just about to drive down from Van.

[TRDood]

About only 15-20 as of now but manager said
0 in the back. Might get a shipment..... Wtf?
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[atb112]

About only 15-20 as of now but manager said
0 in the back. Might get a shipment..... Wtf?
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Ah damn, heading down anyway, might try to stop at some best buys along the way.
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[TRDood]

I am posting on their demo right now.... They still have zero as of now.

I am at the Lynnwood Apple.

[Vale46Rossi]

Do they have any later on tonight?
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[TRDood]

They have no information. I am still waiting in line...
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[Vale46Rossi]

They have no information. I am still waiting in line...
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They don't know if they are getting any in?

Can you keep us posted if they get any stock today and if you picked one up?
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[TRDood]

No stock for all Apple stores for the weekend. Will be coming home empty handed. Fuuuuuuuh

This is for washington state
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[JordanLee]

Yeah I heard yesterday shipments are going to be scarce and like iPhones.
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[atb112]

No stock for all Apple stores for the weekend. Will be coming home empty handed. Fuuuuuuuh

This is for washington state
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Just picked up a 32gb black at TD Curran in Everett, they have 4 left.

[Vale46Rossi]

Just picked up a 32gb black at TD Curran in Everett, they have 4 left.

Just got there! Bought all 3!

Thanks

+ rep
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[TRDood]

At 11am, I spotted a fedex guy and followed his shipment to the Apple store. They only have blacks but nothing in white, didn't get any. I don't think blacks will sell on CL...

They had about 30 on the dolley.
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[HonestTea]

Are the iPad2's commanding a huge premium in BC/Canada yet?

[TRDood]

Are the iPad2's commanding a huge premium in BC/Canada yet?

Check CL, anywhere from 15-20% profit markup.
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[TRDood]

Today at Lynnwood, testing out the iPads

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/photo-1.jpg
http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/shortkid_555/photo2.jpg

[Hehe]

my ipad2.

Sorry for the shallow DOF. I was too lazy to hook up my speedlights.

http://www.hungpinchou.com/pictures/DSC_9957.jpg

[dangonay]

So it appears the graphics hardware of the iPad 2 really flies. Basically it's at least twice as fast as the Xoom (and sometimes even faster).

Take that, Motorola. :)


Engadget iPad 2 Graphics (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/12/ipad-2-specs-discerned-900mhz-arm-cortex-a9-and-powervr-sgx543m/)

Toucharcade Benchmarks (http://toucharcade.com/2011/03/13/ipad-2-gpu-benchmarks-show-dramatic-performance-gains/)

[Iceman_2K]

Got back last night:
- each Best Buy got 25 at launch date, and are now taking preorders only, even when they get restocked
- Target will sell whatever they get when they restock (mid week)
- Wal Mart will sell whatever they get when they restock (mid week as well)
- Apple Stores (2 near the Seattle area) sell when they restock (everyday)

Best way to get one: ask Target or Wal Mart if people have returned unopened ones. Me and a friend went down yesterday, and my friend got one just because some people are returning them unopened the day after the launch (for whatever reason).

[VK79]

Me and a friend went down yesterday, and my friend got one just because some people are returning them unopened the day after the launch (for whatever reason).

Maybe he/she realized that no one even contacted them about the 150% over msrp item even thou he/she spammed craigs for the last 24 hrs. Too much hassle to drive all the way back to return it casue lets face it, once 25th hits everyone and his dog will have one and basically seller would be fucked. (unless he plans to use it himself)

[HonestTea]

Anyone going down this week?