[cococly]

eBay find* of the day

It is located in CA.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Acura-NSX-/150557270040?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item230de9a018

http://sanfranciscosportscars.com/2004-acura-nsx/2004-acura-nsx-027.jpg
1589miles? 1564?

http://sanfranciscosportscars.com/2004-acura-nsx/2004-acura-nsx-001.jpg

http://sanfranciscosportscars.com/2004-acura-nsx/2004-acura-nsx-023.jpg



http://sanfranciscosportscars.com/2004-acura-nsx/2004-acura-nsx-025.jpg

Brief Detail:

Starting bid: US $65,000.00

Sub title: 2004 Acura NSX 6-SP 1,564 Mi 1-Owner VIN#000002 NO RES
Mileage: 1,564 miles
Location: San Carlos,Ca

Vehicle Information
VIN: JH4NA216X4S000002
Warranty: No
Type of Vehicle Title: --
Condition: Used
For sale by: Dealer

Features
Body type: Coupe Engine: 6 Cylinder 3.2 Liter Exterior colour: Black
Transmission: Manual Fuel type: Gasoline Interior colour: Black

[flagella]

wow... that's mint. Mileage is a bit too low it scares me though.

[1exotic]

^ nah..
this must of just been parked all its life, and the MINT condition shows.
+ it's an '05, if it was one of the older models that would be more crazy.


good find.

[dangonay]

A 2005 car that still uses a mechanical odometer is FAIL.

[FerrariEnzo]

A 2005 car that still uses a mechanical odometer is FAIL.

not just any car, an exotic that uses mechanical odometer.... dayum...

but still a nice car nonetheless

[Vansterdam]

:jizz:

[AutozamAZ-3]

question: not to discredit op but would any of you actually buy a car off ebay?

[gdoh]

i came

[TheKingdom2000]

question: not to discredit op but would any of you actually buy a car off ebay?

I know a family that has bought two cars off ebay and both times their experience was pretty good.

Also, my best friend bought his 350Z from the states and that wasn't a problem either.

I can see how it's tough to buy something you've never seen in person or test drove, but the price if the price is right and you get a good description and ask the right questions you can save a few thousand dollars easy.

[Tegra_Devil]

if i had the money i would....if it wasnt an NSX -T....must be a coupe, or nothing else!

[AzNightmare]

Nice!
So anyone here planning on getting it? :)

[PuYang]

AUTOMART: Issue 0511, Valid until February 10 (yeah.. its feb 11 right now but w/e, might still be there?).

NorthShore Acura
2005 ACURA NSX (Blue)
1 owner, no accidents, garage kept, cream puff, only 26,000kms, must see, stlk#P1401

^i saw that in the automart book. yes, it said "cream puff", not sure what exactly that means, but sounds tasty and delicious ;D

EDIT: oops, forgot to post price: 72,988

[Shun Izaki]

mech odometer rollback? :D

[originalhypa]

A 2005 car that still uses a mechanical odometer is FAIL.

My first thought when I read this was "Who the hell said that?"
Then I saw it was Dangonay, and my head assplode!

:lol

Nice!
So anyone here planning on getting it? :)

I'd love to, but it's black. I like white better.





:fullofwin:

[drunkrussian]

question: not to discredit op but would any of you actually buy a car off ebay?

right now i wouldnt

but if i was buying this id prolly be quite rich and own this as a third car for pleasure use only, car shows or just collecting - i bet this is what the original owner used it for. in that case id prolly be ok with buying it off ebay - your money is quite safe and its being sold by a dealer supposidly. if something is a bit off, id prolly just fix it, as like i said, i would buy sth lke this if i was rich and a hobbyist!
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[twitchyzero]

how much does a mint condition NA2 NSX-R currently go for in japan?
clean title..70-120km's minimal mods?

[Psykopathik]

probably rebuild :p

[wasabisashimi]

how come a late model NSX has analog "rolling" milage counter

[freakshow]

I'd love to, but it's black. I like white better.


I think yellow is the best......

[ilvtofu]

I wouldn't really be interested just because I wouldn't want to just garage queen a driving machine, I would understand with say a mclaren F1 or something else super collectible and super rare but the NSX just isn't that at least not for another 15-20 years.

[originalhypa]

I think yellow is the best......

Good call, Phoenix yellow (iirc?) is a stunning color no matter what car it's on.

The orange has always been a really nice color for the NSX too, and lookie here, a grey one in front!

http://www.chicagoz.com/nsx/tein/7.jpg

NSX colors are just awesome!

[PiuYi]

A 2005 car that still uses a mechanical odometer is FAIL.

NOTHING about this car is fail

[Ferra]

probably rebuild :p

mech odometer rollback? :D

It should be easy to tell by looking at the wear on the leather steering wheel and seat...
they look very new in the photos tho

[shenmecar]

*jaw drops*

[Euro7r]

Doesn't matter what color it is. Nsx are :drool

[JD¹³]

Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?

[raygunpk]

What car is this?

[JoshuaWong]

how much does a mint condition NA2 NSX-R currently go for in japan?
clean title..70-120km's minimal mods?

2002-2005 NA2 Type R usually go for well above the original MSRP nowadays in Japan.
Here is a break down of how many of each NSX made according to Route KS

NA1 Coupe - 6250
NA1 Type T - 175
NA1 Type S - 201
NA1 Type R - 483

NA2 Coupe - 105
NA2 Type T - 26
NA2 Type S - 31
NA2 Type R - 140
NA2 Type R-GT - 5

Total Production from 1990-2005: All numbers are approximate.
Japan: 7400
North America: 9700
Europe: 1400
Asia: 200


http://www.route-ks.com/stock/detail/13/images/01.jpg
If your talking about mint, I've seen a 2002 Championship White Type R listed at Route KS with only 800km on the odometer! There's also a very rare black Type R parked inside the showroom but that one is not for sale.

http://www.route-ks.com/stock/detail/01/images/01.jpg
Black Type R are the most rare, I've seen one with OEM gunmetal wheels.
http://www.route-ks.com/stock/detail/01/images/04.jpg
This one also have 800km on the odometer.


Most fetch around at least $140,000 CAD. Recently there was a NSX-R in Britain and it was sold for $200,000.
It was the white one you see the stig drive in TopGear back in the days around 2003? It was also the one test drove by Evo Magazine where it was crowned car of the year.

http://www.route-ks.com/stock/detail/14/images/01.jpg
The NA1 Type R still go for around $75,000 to $90,000

[AzNightmare]

My first thought when I read this was "Who the hell said that?"
Then I saw it was Dangonay, and my head assplode!

:lol



I'd love to, but it's black. I like white better.





:fullofwin:

I would too. I actually don't like black on most cars...
The only exception is maybe on sports luxury cars like BMWs (but even then, I still prefer white).




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http://www.route-ks.com/stock/detail/01/images/01.jpg



This is why I don't like black cars. Can barely make out the nice shape and details of the NSX (or any car that's black).

[wasabisashimi]

on a black background its hard yes, on a sunny day on the road or at a park, its fine

[Tapioca]

Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?

Because HP is not all that matters. The original car was designed with input from race car drivers, like Andretti (sp) and when you sit in one, it just feels right. In 1991, an NSX was quite respectable among supercars and it was thousands less.

An NSX is basically a street-legal F1 car: aluminum body panels, high-revving engine, etc.

[Ferra]

Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?
- It was one of the world's top performance vehicle when it first came out (in the 90s)
- It uses carbon fiber + aluminum frame = much lighter than cars in the same class / size
- The quantity is relatively limited
- Most people love the NSX body styling (me included)
- the NSX has one of the best track performance compared to other vehicles with similar engine size and hp.

[TouringTeg]

I think it's more to do with the fact that a 91 NSX will still turn heads like a Ferrari.

[Dragon-88]

Its just an amazing car all around... Its just pure sex on wheels.. Nuff said..

[JD¹³]

Its just an amazing car all around... Its just pure sex on wheels.. Nuff said..
20 years ago I'd have probably agreed with you, I can understand the nostalgic attraction of it now. But I guess for me nostalgia doesn't carry much intrinsic value because I think you have to fucking nuts to spend the kind of money people are asking for these cars. But to each their own, thanks for the lesson :)

[Manic!]

20 years ago I'd have probably agreed with you, I can understand the nostalgic attraction of it now. But I guess for me nostalgia doesn't carry much intrinsic value because I think you have to fucking nuts to spend the kind of money people are asking for these cars. But to each their own, thanks for the lesson :)


It's a timeless classic and will only go up in value.


EVO Magazine - Top Sports cars of all time
http://www.evo.co.uk/

1 McLaren F1
2 Ferrari F40
3 Pagani Zonda
4 Lancia Delta Integrale
5 Bugatti Veyron
6 Honda NSX/R
7 Porsche 911 2.7 997 GT3
8 Porsche 911 2.7 RS
9 Honda Integra Type R
10 Nissan Skyline R32/33/34 GT-R

[cheapskate]

20 years ago I'd have probably agreed with you, I can understand the nostalgic attraction of it now. But I guess for me nostalgia doesn't carry much intrinsic value because I think you have to fucking nuts to spend the kind of money people are asking for these cars. But to each their own, thanks for the lesson :)

How many NEW cars can you buy TODAY for under 100K that can perform and feel the way a NSX does? How many sub 100K car is made fully of aluminum? To get this kind of technology you'd have to jump to Ferrari or a really expensive Porsche 911. On top of it all, the history of this car is simply priceless.

[JD¹³]

How many NEW cars can you buy TODAY for under 100K that can perform and feel the way a NSX does?

Probably quite a few that will out perform it on paper. I've never driven an NSX so I don't know how it "feels". Have you or are you just talking out of your ass? If so what else have you driven that compares? Seeing as how you're a cheapskate I'm betting you're also just a fanboy.

How many sub 100K car is made fully of aluminum?

Who cares? When the car first came out I'm sure that was a great selling feature just like hemispherical combustion chambers in the late 60's. Now... that doesn't really matter.

To get this kind of technology you'd have to jump to Ferrari or a really expensive Porsche 911.

What... analog instrumentation, ABS, airbags, and a low output V6 attached to a syncromesh transmission? Does it even have traction control? You're comparing apples to oranges, the cars you mentioned above are at the pinnacle of the modern era. 20 years from now people will be having this same argument about them vs the new standards.

On top of it all, the history of this car is simply priceless.
Not really. It had direct input from racing drivers is that why? Is it because Ayrton Senna owned one? Hate to break it to you but pretty much all high-end cars and motorcycles are developed from racing input. The trickle-down effect has been there since the first two people somewhere decided to see who's vehicle was fastest. How many racing championships did the platform win? 24hrs of Le Mans? You want to talk history look at the Ferrari F40, where it came from, what it was built for, and how it was the last car Enzo Ferrari himself had built and drove personally before his death. That's history.

I'm not trying to shit on the NSX, I asked my questions out of genuine interest. But if you're going to get all butthurt about it then make a reasonable argument. Like I said previously, I'm sure in it's time the NSX was a marvel and I respect that. Now I just think people are asking too much for them because they look exotic. Still cool cars though, and they do sound pretty nice :)

[1exotic]

Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?

$65,000 is for this low mileage NSX posted... you make it sound like they're all 65k. I doubt someone buying this car will be driving it like it was meant too, it'll probably just be garaged.

you can easily go find yourself a NSX for half that price with some realistic miles.

Samething for other Japanese cars like the Supra... LOW mileage ones are selling around the 55-70k mark... yet you can get them for 30k (same deal with the NSX).

[twitchyzero]

2002-2005 NA2 Type R usually go for well above the original MSRP nowadays in Japan.

NA1 Coupe - 6250
NA1 Type T - 175
NA1 Type S - 201
NA1 Type R - 483

NA2 Coupe - 105
NA2 Type T - 26
NA2 Type S - 31
NA2 Type R - 140
NA2 Type R-GT - 5

Total Production from 1990-2005: All numbers are approximate.
Japan: 7400
North America: 9700
Europe: 1400
Asia: 200

Most fetch around at least $140,000 CAD.
The NA1 Type R still go for around $75,000 to $90,000

Shit i didn't know NSX-R were that rare.:eek:

[Tegra_Devil]

whats the spec difference btwn NSX-R & NSX-R GT?

[RRxtar]

JD¹³, I understand that you dont understand. Thats fine. But please dont try to discredit the NSX. the NSX to alot of us is the pinnacle of dream car once upon a time. we all grew up loving/wanting one.

Its not even like GTR or Supra fanboys. The NSX is different.

Its not the best bang for your buck by any means. But sometimes love for a car goes beyond numbers. Id rather go a little slower in an NSX than a little faster in a Vette.

[LiquidTurbo]

Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?

Can't put a price on pedigree and chassis development with Aryton Senna. It appeals to a lot of Japanese car enthusiast because for a long time it was the best super sports car the country could come up with during a time of 280hp limitations.


An NSX is no something you'd buy w/ your brain, but with your heart. Not everything can be measured simply as bang for buck performance. And that's why people buy cars like the NSX and cameras like the Leica M9.

[1exotic]

Its not even like NSX fanboys. The Supra and GTR is different.



wut

[Fairlady Z]

Not really. It had direct input from racing drivers is that why? Is it because Ayrton Senna owned one? Hate to break it to you but pretty much all high-end cars and motorcycles are developed from racing input. The trickle-down effect has been there since the first two people somewhere decided to see who's vehicle was fastest. How many racing championships did the platform win? 24hrs of Le Mans? You want to talk history look at the Ferrari F40, where it came from, what it was built for, and how it was the last car Enzo Ferrari himself had built and drove personally before his death. That's history.

I'm not trying to shit on the NSX, I asked my questions out of genuine interest. But if you're going to get all butthurt about it then make a reasonable argument. Like I said previously, I'm sure in it's time the NSX was a marvel and I respect that. Now I just think people are asking too much for them because they look exotic. Still cool cars though, and they do sound pretty nice :)

Bobby Rahal and Aryton Senna had a hand in the development of the NSX. A legend helped develop the NSX and the car would be used as a benchmark to create another legend -- the McLaren F1. Here's an interesting fact: McLaren first approached Honda to create the V12 for the F1 but declined as they wanted to devote their time to racing. The NSX competed in the 1995 Le Mans winning the GT2 class and placed 8th overall, the F40 LM placed 12th. Just like the F40, the NSX was the last car to be conceived by the founder of the company, in this case, Soichiro Honda.

It's not very fair to compare a car that was introduced 21 years ago to its modern day brethren. However, just as you said, the NSX was a marvel back in its day. It went toe-to-toe with the Ferrari 348 and gave it a bad hair day. Just look at its achievements and how long it took Ferrari to catch up. The first production car to feature titanium connecting rods, it took Ferrari 4 years to catch up with the F355. The first production car to use an aluminum body and chassis (it didn't feature carbon fiber contrary to what on the posters said), it took 9 years for Ferrari to catch up with the 360.

The high prices it commands reflects its limited production and that it's still a car coveted by many -- think of the 993 Turbo and how it sells for as much as, if not more, than the 996 Turbo. Good thing is, and I've noticed this for many years, is that their values have remained stable.

[JD¹³]

Bobby Rahal and Aryton Senna had a hand in the development of the NSX. A legend helped develop the NSX and the car would be used as a benchmark to create another legend -- the McLaren F1. Here's an interesting fact: McLaren first approached Honda to create the V12 for the F1 but declined as they wanted to devote their time to racing. The NSX competed in the 1995 Le Mans winning the GT2 class and placed 8th overall, the F40 LM placed 12th. Just like the F40, the NSX was the last car to be conceived by the founder of the company, in this case, Soichiro Honda.

It's not very fair to compare a car that was introduced 21 years ago to its modern day brethren. However, just as you said, the NSX was a marvel back in its day. It went toe-to-toe with the Ferrari 348 and gave it a bad hair day. Just look at its achievements and how long it took Ferrari to catch up. The first production car to feature titanium connecting rods, it took Ferrari 4 years to catch up with the F355. The first production car to use an aluminum body and chassis (it didn't feature carbon fiber contrary to what on the posters said), it took 9 years for Ferrari to catch up with the 360.

The high prices it commands reflects its limited production and that it's still a car coveted by many -- think of the 993 Turbo and how it sells for as much as, if not more, than the 996 Turbo. Good thing is, and I've noticed this for many years, is that their values have remained stable.
Awesome! :thumbsup:

I have some new found respect for the NSX :fuckyea:

[RRxtar]

When Honda built the NSX they took a look at the Ferarri 328 and the brand new 348 and said "We want to build a car that out performs it on Sunday, and that you can reliably drive to work on Monday morning, and get serviced at any Honda/Acura dealership"

At the time, the 348 made 300hp and weighed around 3100lbs. When the NSX came out it made a little less HP due to the Japanese HP rule, but weighed 150lbs less.

Its often said its because of the NSX that Ferarri pulled up their socks and started building the Modern cars we know today. Simply look at the difference from the 348 to the 355 (which is my all time 2nd favorite car).

As was stated, Senna was a key figure in the development being a Honda F1 driver for 7 years.


I still remember watching MotorTrend TV in 1997 before I knew anything about cars and seeing a yellow NSX-T being tested. I fell inlove instantly even tho I said outloud "Honda built that?"

[Xnova86]

this car has turbo?

[Hurricane]

this car has turbo?

lol n00b!

Anyhow, there is no way in hell that car has 1500miles. Look at the paint and tread depth, and the floormats/seats.

COMPLETE BULLSHIT, and I am sure it would be a million times more obvious in person.

I have seen cars with that kind of mileage at a similar age, and assuming they were kept in a good place, when cleaned up, they are virtually showroom.

[need2speed]

Timeless design still one of my favorite cars of all time
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[Senna4ever]

Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal? The NSX is a driving machine. It's not about ultimate power or straightline speed, but the driving experience, which was unmatched for years.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/2002-09-01-sundaytimes.jpg

Because HP is not all that matters. The original car was designed with input from race car drivers, like Andretti (sp) and when you sit in one, it just feels right. In 1991, an NSX was quite respectable among supercars and it was thousands less.

An NSX is basically a street-legal F1 car: aluminum body panels, high-revving engine, etc.
I'm pretty sure Michael or Mario Andretti had nothing to do with the NSX. I know that they have both raced in NSX's though.

Ayrton Senna had a major role in the development of the car.

[ilvtofu]

20 years ago I'd have probably agreed with you, I can understand the nostalgic attraction of it now. But I guess for me nostalgia doesn't carry much intrinsic value because I think you have to fucking nuts to spend the kind of money people are asking for these cars. But to each their own, thanks for the lesson :)

Yeah when my dad got his 993 back in 95 which is an amazing driving machine might I add it was only slightly more expensive than the RX7's and a heck of a lot cheaper than the NSX, it was pretty much a no brainer. NSX does look better but it also looks more boy racer and I honestly wouldn't think a 70 year old wouldn't look too good in it.

[Death2Theft]

Just curious are there any new 2 seaters that cost 65k with less power?

[Death2Theft]

If thats what makes an f1 car then evo's are a 4 door f1 car. :fullofwin:
Because HP is not all that matters. The original car was designed with input from race car drivers, like Andretti (sp) and when you sit in one, it just feels right. In 1991, an NSX was quite respectable among supercars and it was thousands less.

An NSX is basically a street-legal F1 car: aluminum body panels, high-revving engine, etc.

[Death2Theft]

If ever there was an asian Marco, he would tell you the nsx is all about the "feel".
Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?

[ilvtofu]

Just curious are there any new 2 seaters that cost 65k with less power?

Cayman/boxster (non S) have about 260hp, they're still great drivers cars and great for everyday driving too

[valent|n0]

I know about NSX exclusivity and legendary history and all
but for the same price I would rather get a GT3 instead won't you??

[Mancini]

Found of the day indeed.

[RRxtar]

I know about NSX exclusivity and legendary history and all
but for the same price I would rather get a GT3 instead won't you??
you say that like price is the only limiting factor and you pick the best car within it

When you're in the market for a car like this, its probably a 3rd car, and if you're looking at a $65k NSX, you're probably comfortable to spend a reasonable bit more or less. But it probably doesnt matter what other cars fit that price range, because you're looking for an NSX.

You dont go car shopping and end up with an NSX. You go NSX shopping and end up with an ear to ear smile

[Manic!]

Just curious are there any new 2 seaters that cost 65k with less power?

lotus elise
ariel atom

And I bet there are a few more.

[JoshuaWong]

Also, not many people would know this unless they were a devoted follower of this car. NSX still continue to do well on circuit/track day racing even being 21 years old. It just need some tuner love and can still give modern cars spanking.

Many people unfortunately are ignorant about the capability of this old car.
Case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5GqAEbPNJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGco3vowTs4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEr1RPzoBHU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6esFxFLd6d0&feature=related

Esprit NSX - Twin Turbo Longitudinal Tuned 600+hp -
http://alscarstuff.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/esprit-nsx.jpg

Route KS/Esprit NSX - Longitudinal Twin Turbo Tuned 800+hp - 1'43'"94 at Fuji
(HKS 890hp R35 only ran a 1'45" range at the same event)
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2011/FEB2011/EspritNSX/HKSPD11-576.jpg

FactorX Development NSX - Twin Turbo 900+hp - (America's fastest 2WD Unlimited Class Time Attack Car)
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AntonioAlvendia/RandomSnap/Misc%20Cars/03.jpg

Tomiyoshi Racing NSX - Naturally Aspirated 3.2L ITB - 420hp - 56'959 at Tsukuba Circuit (same range as those 600+hp Mines R34)
http://img01.carview.co.jp/minkara/blog/000/021/380/242/21380242/P1.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Msk8hvH4qA&feature=player_embedded

Lastly in professional racing, this car won the 2009 GT500 class versus many modern race car.
http://jonsibal.com/bpimages/ArtaNSX_1.jpg

Meanwhile in UK, this machine competes in Britcar Championship. There are many stock bodied car like this one running around with TODA/Mugen/Comptech/SOS stroked Naturally Aspirated motors putting out in excess of 450hp matched to a 2800lb/1200kg body and the results has to be said are amazing even by today's standards just like 997 GT3. The tuner base for NSX is huge as well, many professional racing firm support the NSX as well as countless big marques. The NSX community is a very special and unique crowd.
http://carsroute.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/John-Danby-Racing-Honda-NSX-5.jpg

I am sure I left out many, especially in Japan where this 21 year old platform when given proper power and tuning can outshine many of their modern rivals.

The same cannot be said for many 21 years old car. I don't see many 348 tuned or F355 that can compete relatively well with modern cars. Not trying to discredit those wonderful machine but trying to put things into perspective. The original 280hp self governed limited in hindsight was the NSX's major drawback and the fact that Honda was overly stubborn in the quest to update the car compare to its rivals

(Porsche 964->993->996->997)
(Ferrari 348->355->360->430)

Even if Honda made another NSX, its hard to say for sure it will be as great as the original, which is why maybe Honda is so uncommitted about building a new one due to past legacy and the obligation to outdo it.

Can you imagine telling people this is basically a 21 years old car?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TJfWd8E4kFo/TVUjRHyJviI/AAAAAAAAAL4/zE0n_MCWkQ0/s400/Anthony%2527s+Downforce+NSX+-+01.jpg
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[Blinky]

First off, I don't hate the NSX. I don't cream my jeans when I see one, but I don't hate it.

That said, you deserve a big fat fail for most of this post. I'll leave the videos aside; there is enough debate about the validity of BM vids, not to mention the fact that in most cases, apples aren't being compared with apples.

Also, not many people would know this unless they were a devoted follower of this car. NSX still continue to do well on circuit/track day racing even being 21 years old. It just need some tuner love and can still give modern cars spanking.

Tuner love? WTF. You've posted three outlandish examples:

Esprit NSX - Twin Turbo Longitudinal Tuned 600+hp -
[B]Route KS/Esprit NSX - Longitudinal Twin Turbo Tuned 800+hp - 1'43'"94 at
[B]FactorX Development NSX - Twin Turbo 900+hp - (America's fastest 2WD)

So, add FI, change the fundamental layout of the car, including something that appears to be a semi-tube frame and you're all set. Yeah, that's sure faithful to the original. That's not tuner love, that's a lot of custom fab work which involves a shitload of time, money, skill and patience... not exactly what you can get by going to your local Ricer's Edge shop.

(link: http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/02/08/car-spotlight-gt-gt-esprit-nsx.aspx)

Lastly in professional racing, this car won the 2009 GT500 class versus many modern race car.

How much do you think a GT500 car resembles a roadcar? It's about as close to zero as one can get... for example, do you really think the SC430 raced in JGTC has anything to do with the roadgoing dentistmobile?


I am sure I left out many, especially in Japan where this 21 year old platform when given proper power and tuning can outshine many of their modern rivals.

The same cannot be said for many 21 years old car. I don't see many 348 tuned or F355 that can compete relatively well with modern cars. Not trying to discredit those wonderful machine but trying to put things into perspective.

Nooo... throw money at most any old performance car and you'll get pretty decent performance. You want to TT a 355? This is the first google result:

http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/modern-models/2788-twin-turbo-f355.html

Again, I don't hate the NSX but there should be limits to any fanboyism.

[twitchyzero]

the fanboyism in this thread is at an all-time RS high

[originalhypa]

the fanboyism in this thread is at an all-time RS high

For those of us old enough to remember the NSX being released, we're reminded of the feeling we got the first time we saw one. I came from a strong Ferrari family, and when they saw the first NSX commercial that mentioned the Italians they weren't too pleased.

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/184251

"The japanese can't build a car like Ferrari can". Of course they failed to mention that their Ferrari's needed expensive parts and had to be serviced by a man wearing white.

When the NSX came out it was a technological marvel. The problem is, the rest of the world caught up the the NSX, and it suddenly became an overpriced, underpowered import. They were, and still are great cars.

[twitchyzero]

When the NSX came out it was a technological marvel. The problem is, the rest of the world caught up the the NSX, and it suddenly became an overpriced, underpowered import. They were, and still are great cars.

no i understand, i'm younger but i truly appreciate the NSX and it's probably the best japanese sports car even today (arguably LFA is better/ more unique). I just simply pointed some fanboyism that was already apparent in many of the more recent NSX threads (which understandably has been popping up more frequently since it's the 20th anniversary..just felt like i was listening to a broken record that's all) :)

[GabAlmighty]

A 2005 car that still uses a mechanical odometer is FAIL.

Just, stop talking.

[!LittleDragon]

For those of us old enough to remember the NSX being released, we're reminded of the feeling we got the first time we saw one. I came from a strong Ferrari family, and when they saw the first NSX commercial that mentioned the Italians they weren't too pleased.

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/184251

"The japanese can't build a car like Ferrari can". Of course they failed to mention that their Ferrari's needed expensive parts and had to be serviced by a man wearing white.


Everyone was ripping on the Italians back then. "If it were any slower, it'd be a Ferrari"... Remember that line from the old print ads for the MR2 Turbo?

[originalhypa]

no i understand, i'm younger but i truly appreciate the NSX and it's probably the best japanese sports car even today (arguably LFA is better/ more unique). I just simply pointed some fanboyism that was already apparent in many of the more recent NSX threads (which understandably has been popping up more frequently since it's the 20th anniversary..just felt like i was listening to a broken record that's all) :)

You do have a point, and by no means was I trying to rip you for it. Compared to modern day commuters though, the NSX has shown it's age. I mean, 270-290hp?!? That's what Odysseys come with!

When it came out, it not only performed well, but also showed that the asian car makers had come a long way from the days of the civic and accord. It slapped the Italians, Germans, and Brits in their collective faces. That in itself was worthy of respect.


Everyone was ripping on the Italians back then. "If it were any slower, it'd be a Ferrari"... Remember that line from the old print ads for the MR2 Turbo?

:lol

The asian car makers were killing it in the late 80's and 90's!

[JD¹³]

I'm loving all the fails from the butthurt fanboys. Way to represent the NSX enthusiast by just failing posts rather than presenting good arguments and educating me like Fairlady Z.

Fucking :noob:'s :lol

[Noir]

I'm loving all the fails from the butthurt fanboys. Way to represent the NSX enthusiast by just failing posts rather than presenting good arguments and educating me like Fairlady Z.

Fucking :noob:'s :lol

Because the only fail here is you. Everybody is a fanboy of something. I'm pretty sure that there's something in this world that you marvel at that a contingent in this world thinks otherwise.

Stop trying to sound sanctimonious with the "educate me card." If it's not your taste, it's just not your thing. I'm not a big fan of camaros despite it's huge advantage in power between the cars that I like but that doesn't make me nor others like me any less educated about cars in general or "only-like-cars-who-have-fanboy-appeal." The only idiot here is you. People aren't failing you because you refuse to sway to their justifications. People fail you because they're trying to make you understand that there's more into admiring cars than just engineering statistics. Yet you fail to grasp that.


Fuck, you're an avionics geek. What if I told you P51 Mustangs are crap and ugly (because my point of reference are f-14s; the plane that got me into liking airplanes), I'm pretty sure there will be a contingent who will disagree with my opinion; and their justification goes far beyond what that plane can do on a stats sheet; it goes to what that plane means to them which is subjective for everyone



edit: I actually dig P51's. But I was just trying to make a point.

[JD¹³]

What if I told you P51 Mustangs are crap and ugly (because my point of reference are f-14s; the plane that got me into liking airplanes), I'm pretty sure there will be a contingent who will disagree with my opinion; and their justification goes far beyond what that plane can do on a stats sheet; it goes to what that plane means to them which is subjective for everyone
Absolutely and that was the point of my asking what the obsession was with NSX's. Fairlady Z explained and now I understand and have a lot more respect for the car. It's got quite the historical significance for Honda much like my favourite old car the F40 had for Ferrari. I can appreciate the NSX as much now... almost :p

PS - I'd have explained the significance of the P51 to you if you our roles were reversed rather than fail you blindly for asking a legitimate question ;)

[wasabisashimi]

^ a revscene debate ending with peace and love?.........nice :)

[Noir]

PS - I'd have explained the significance of the P51 to you if you our roles were reversed rather than fail you blindly for asking a legitimate question ;)

That's the thing though. It goes beyond explanation. What if a person marvels at avionics because of the pure sexiness of the modernization of aircraft (thinking of gen 5 planes). You can explain, put on a puppet show, youtube documentary over documentary why P51 mustangs are bad ass but a person who falls in love with planes for a different reason will never see eye to eye with those who who have far more appreciation to the classics.


IMO, I think that's what you were failing to see with the NSX despite the multitude of users telling you "individually" what the NSX each represented to them.

Now because Fairlady Z gave you a reason that you most can relate to (your values) doesn't mean that the values most intrinsic to others isn't any less valid. Hence why I think it was unfair to label people fanboys when you didn't agree (or perhaps understood) to the reason why each invidually held the NSX to a high regard.

That's pretty much it.

[JD¹³]

I use fanboys as a joking term for people who blindly support something. I don't think the people that failed me actually read my posts or questions which were initially presented in a non-argumentative manner. I was never bashing the NSX as a bad car but they took my mis-understanding of the cars value as an attack.

Anyways, I understand your point. And as I said previously "to each their own" :thumbsup:

[lonelydriver]

I'm not a NSX fanboy but for a car that came out in the 90's, I think it is still one of the greatest car that was ever built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbPHplvGZcU

[cococly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN_HbmZq_Xk

"Do you have VTEC?!"

[Death2Theft]

The Nsx and s2000 are the only 2 seater vtec rwd Honda makes. 95% of the rs population that owns hondas have the fwds, they dream of rwd. Hence u bash the kings of rwd vtec and ur gonna get failed out the butt.
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[twitchyzero]

^ we also fail idiots that never disclose their weekend sports car and then change the topic when they can't come up with a coherent rebuttal for an argument.

[Death2Theft]

Because staying on topic isn't coherent.

[murmur]

better check if anything is missing :troll: