[wasabisashimi]

I was at Holt Renfrew on Sunday and notice alot of shoppers speak mandarin with mainland accent. Salesperson there are like 70% chinese speakers too.

My noob question is: Since i live in a well and has never been to China. What has changed in China's government struture that allows emmigration and increasing personal economy. I have always been told that money is hard to come by in China and most families are poor. Here in vancouver, I have seen alot of mainlanders that are living well and driving nice cars.

Has China ditches their communist/maoism/socialist...or whatever you call it strategy? or am i just seeing a minority of rich poeple here who has special connections to grow rich and immigrate.

[b0unce. [?]]

We have Kent's Kitchen.

[snowball]

Time for you to start reading something called... the news. China has been a growing economic power for the last decade and just took over the spot as the 2nd largest economy in the world. And besides what you see, most chinese are still shit poor but with a lot more rich people and billionaires than there used to be. Even if 1% of the chinese population were millionaires there would be more millionaires than there is people in Canada. The obvious answer to the visibility of seemingly "rich people" is that rich people are more mobile than poor people, most of the immigration in the last 20 years has been from rich HK, chinese, taiwanese, and korean people.

[CKLCKL]

I was at Holt Renfrew on Sunday and notice alot of shoppers speak mandarin with mainland accent. Salesperson there are like 70% chinese speakers too.

My noob question is: Since i live in a well and has never been to China. What has changed in China's government struture that allows emmigration and increasing personal economy. I have always been told that money is hard to come by in China and most families are poor. Here in vancouver, I have seen alot of mainlanders that are living well and driving nice cars.

Has China ditches their communist/maoism/socialist...or whatever you call it strategy? or am i just seeing a minority of rich poeple here who has special connections to grow rich and immigrate.

havent u read the news mang...China is becoming increasingly powerful

[TheNewGirl]

I saw those stats the other day too, that there are more millionaires in china than there are people in all of Canada.

China's expected to overtake the US as #1 economic power in the world in the next 10 years.

[EmperorIS]

lol revscene....

[wasabisashimi]

I saw those stats the other day too, that there are more millionaires in china than there are people in all of Canada.

China's expected to overtake the US as #1 economic power in the world in the next 10 years.

I know China is a power house in Economy as a nation. So i guess they are not running the old communist government as before which poeple cant have savings of their hard earned money. Like i said, i have no idea regarding politics or world economics

[JD¹³]

Like i said, i have no idea regarding politics or world economics
Do yourself a favour and catch up on this. It's never too late and will serve you well.

[oinkoinkpig]

not sure if you're trollin...

[murmur]

troll or not.

canada has one of the most relaxed immigration policies on earth.
compare our immigration system to england and america's, you'd know why so many riches would choose canada.

[hk20000]

What's brilliant about china's economy is that it does not use federal reserve (which is, against all logic, a private bank), so china government has firm control of its currency and lending activities (by controlling the interest rate).
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[Xnova86]

Why?


It's for the Canada Line

[Gnomes]

China.... the rich corrupted people flee here. Or, the parents send money to their kids here to spend while the the parents continue milking the corrupted system.

[mmmk]

troll or not.

canada has one of the most relaxed immigration policies on earth.
compare our immigration system to england and america's, you'd know why so many riches would choose canada.

canada is a country built on immigrants...we stand by this.
the only people who aren't immigrants are natives :fullofwin:

[dachinesedude]

man u live in a well for realz, since theres prob no tv or newspaper down there

Time for you to start reading something called... the news. China has been a growing economic power for the last decade and just took over the spot as the 2nd largest economy in the world. And besides what you see, most chinese are still shit poor but with a lot more rich people and billionaires than there used to be. Even if 1% of the chinese population were millionaires there would be more millionaires than there is people in Canada. The obvious answer to the visibility of seemingly "rich people" is that rich people are more mobile than poor people, most of the immigration in the last 20 years has been from rich HK, chinese, taiwanese, and korean people.

this

[drunkrussian]

pretty much what others said and im surprised you just noticed. china and russia have realized that they can sell shit and make money from it. russia due to fall of communism, china due to communism with a heavily capitalist attitude. india's next.
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[willystyle]

I saw those stats the other day too, that there are more millionaires in china than there are people in all of Canada.

China's expected to overtake the US as #1 economic power in the world in the next 10 years.
Do you have a link to the news article or stat?

TIA!

[drunkrussian]

China.... the rich corrupted people flee here. Or, the parents send money to their kids here to spend while the the parents continue milking the corrupted system.

not anymore. there are so many rich mainlanders here now that theres a real market of selling shit to them. so mainlanders are starting businesses selling shit to other mainlanders and getting rich off it. its what hk ppl did and what mainlandersare doing
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[HonestTea]

China.... the rich corrupted people flee here. Or, the parents send money to their kids here to spend while the the parents continue milking the corrupted system.

this.

[Mr.HappySilp]

That is why I don't get China still claims to be a 3rd world country. They have tons of rich people, their military strength, and economic power is one of the top in the world.

I read something years ago saying like if the country is classfield as 3rd country they get a ton of tax breaks from export goods and so forth. I think is time to change it. I mean when your country have billions of billions of dollars to spend in milliatry I am pretty sure the country isn't that poor and they shouldn't get any tax cuts on their exports.

[TRDood]

There were 2 reasons why Holt Renfrew was super busy last Sunday

1. Promotion - I think redeem 10% of your purchases as a Holts giftcard
Result: Cheap (but rich) Chinese people go all crazy about it. Didn't you see the LV lineup?

2. Money - They can afford that their materialistic desires
Result: Paying cash for the $3000 Chanel bag.

and it was V-Day weekend... duh

[van_driver]

haven't you watched russell peters?

they go in there every single day and buy nothing, then as soon
as the salesperson turns around they take pictures and send to hong kong
to make fakes


:troll:

[sulos]

That is why I don't get China still claims to be a 3rd world country. They have tons of rich people, their military strength, and economic power is one of the top in the world.

I read something years ago saying like if the country is classfield as 3rd country they get a ton of tax breaks from export goods and so forth. I think is time to change it. I mean when your country have billions of billions of dollars to spend in milliatry I am pretty sure the country isn't that poor and they shouldn't get any tax cuts on their exports.

The real question is can China become the next consumer market? With the way their government is now I don't think so. Also, regarding your comment on military strength they don't hold a candle next to the US.

Don't say shit about that stealth fighter either, it is not operational and their pilots don't have the combat experience that ameican pilots have. Or you could try to prove me wrong but China still has a way to go. Don't count the US out yet.
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[liu13]

at least 30% of the chinese population is poor, that's why they are considered a developing country

they abandoned communism long time ago with Deng

most chinese save money , the opposite of american's tendency to spend, but they spend tons at restaurants and buying a car

[wasabisashimi]

There were 2 reasons why Holt Renfrew was super busy last Sunday

1. Promotion - I think redeem 10% of your purchases as a Holts giftcard
Result: Cheap (but rich) Chinese people go all crazy about it. Didn't you see the LV lineup?

2. Money - They can afford that their materialistic desires
Result: Paying cash for the $3000 Chanel bag.

and it was V-Day weekend... duh

I know there were a sale at LV. 10% off a 1000 bag= 100 off. i guess Chinese poeple loves sales :fullofwin:. I saw like 2 white men out of 30 asian faces in that lineup (looked like boxing day all over again)


So is China still under communist governement or not?,, Seems like they are running some kind of modified capitalist structure, its definitely not democracy.

[maxx]

i was as cypress yesterday and was buried in ML63s, X6Ms and RR Sports all driven by Mr and Mrs. China. Although China just overtook japan to be the world's second largest economy.

[Spooling]

most of the population is poor, out of 10 families only 1 is super rich. multiply that by 1.4 billion.

[$_$]

For those that are Mainlander, or have rich Mainlander friends:

So did you give up your China passport, since China does not allow dual citizenship? How do you feel about needing to get a visa every time you need to travel back to motherland? What about when you want to go back to China for long term work? Apply for Visa?

I was under the impression that the actual rich Mainlanders have a way around this.

[wouwou]

For those that are Mainlander, or have rich Mainlander friends:

So did you give up your China passport, since China does not allow dual citizenship? How do you feel about needing to get a visa every time you need to travel back to motherland? What about when you want to go back to China for long term work? Apply for Visa?

I was under the impression that the actual rich Mainlanders have a way around this.

the super riches don't give a fuck about the Chinese passport. Their faces > Chinese custom computers.

the regular rich must give up the Chinese passport.

[!LittleDragon]

That is why I don't get China still claims to be a 3rd world country. They have tons of rich people, their military strength, and economic power is one of the top in the world.

I read something years ago saying like if the country is classfield as 3rd country they get a ton of tax breaks from export goods and so forth. I think is time to change it. I mean when your country have billions of billions of dollars to spend in milliatry I am pretty sure the country isn't that poor and they shouldn't get any tax cuts on their exports.

Tidbit. China's classified as a 2nd world country. The divisions are political, not economic. The divisions came after WWII. The first world is most of Europe, USA and their allies. 2nd world are the commies and 3rd world is everyone else who aren't affiliated with either side.

[Mr.HappySilp]

The real question is can China become the next consumer market? With the way their government is now I don't think so. Also, regarding your comment on military strength they don't hold a candle next to the US.

Don't say shit about that stealth fighter either, it is not operational and their pilots don't have the combat experience that ameican pilots have. Or you could try to prove me wrong but China still has a way to go. Don't count the US out yet.
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So the Chinese gov is willing to spend billions and billions on their milliatry yet they refuse to spend the money on helping their citizens. I am sorry but they should not be consider as a 3rd world country given their influence around the world.

Have you realize how much money China have lend to the states? LOL if China decides to make the states pay it back all at once I am pretty sure the states would be in real trouble.

I feel when a country have this much influence around the world and is having tons of extra money left over, they simply shouldn't be count as a 3rd country. They have the money to change the way their citizen lives but chose to spend that money eleswhere.

Edit: There are tons or really really poor people in China but majority of it have to do with the gov.

[!LittleDragon]

For those that are Mainlander, or have rich Mainlander friends:

So did you give up your China passport, since China does not allow dual citizenship? How do you feel about needing to get a visa every time you need to travel back to motherland? What about when you want to go back to China for long term work? Apply for Visa?

I was under the impression that the actual rich Mainlanders have a way around this.

I still have my China passport (I still have it physically, dunno if it's still valid). 1st time going back in 30 years last year and didn't have any issues.

[drunkrussian]

For those that are Mainlander, or have rich Mainlander friends:

So did you give up your China passport, since China does not allow dual citizenship? How do you feel about needing to get a visa every time you need to travel back to motherland? What about when you want to go back to China for long term work? Apply for Visa?

I was under the impression that the actual rich Mainlanders have a way around this.

wouldnt be surprised if this is true; back in commie russia they stripped us of passport for moving too. simple answer: its a permanent move - often more opportunity here even for the rich. with a large enuff chinese population prolly feel like its not such a foreign land either so even more enticing to move here
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[xpl0sive]

So the Chinese gov is willing to spend billions and billions on their milliatry yet they refuse to spend the money on helping their citizens. I am sorry but they should not be consider as a 3rd world country given their influence around the world.

Have you realize how much money China have lend to the states? LOL if China decides to make the states pay it back all at once I am pretty sure the states would be in real trouble.

I feel when a country have this much influence around the world and is having tons of extra money left over, they simply shouldn't be count as a 3rd country. They have the money to change the way their citizen lives but chose to spend that money eleswhere.

Edit: There are tons or really really poor people in China but majority of it have to do with the gov.

lol and what do you think would happen if the US went bankrupt trying to pay China back? China would go bankrupt as well, since most of their money is coming from the manufacturing sector, which is outsourced from North America and Europe. Unfortunately in today's economy, no one nation can sustain itself no matter how "powerful" they are

[cheapskate]

Wow, I am constantly bewildered about how little Canadians know about the world.

Just a FYI, Goldman Sachs' most recent projection estimates that China will be the single largest economy in the world in less than 10 years. If you haven't prepared for a drastically different world economy by now, its may already be too late

[chouchou]

I am constantly bewildered about how some can generalize about a population from a thread on rs....

:troll:

[Qmx323]

http://televisionrevival.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/1208_butters_cartman_chinese_outfits.jpg
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJC7ykAPXuw)

[will068]

That is why I don't get China still claims to be a 3rd world country. They have tons of rich people, their military strength, and economic power is one of the top in the world.

I read something years ago saying like if the country is classfield as 3rd country they get a ton of tax breaks from export goods and so forth. I think is time to change it. I mean when your country have billions of billions of dollars to spend in milliatry I am pretty sure the country isn't that poor and they shouldn't get any tax cuts on their exports.

The Chief Financial Minister of China states their a 3rd world country in terms of infrastructure and government services and that they have a long way to go to catch up with the Western nations.

In terms of economy, of course they are a world power. They also hold the most US debt.

In the 19th century, it was the UK's Century, in the 20th Century, it was America's century. In the 21st Century - it will be China's Century. With China holding most of the US Debt, this is the greatest leverage that China has versus the US.

If you recall in the mid 20th Century, the US held most of the UK's debt. When the UK and France were at war with Egypt (see Suez Crisis), the US pressured the UK to back out by threatening to sell the UK debt to the market. This would have resulted in the crash of the British Pound and UK economy. Historians collectively agree that this was the point were the US surpassed the UK as the World Superpower.

Now, China has this ammo. If China wants, they can crash the US dollar. Of course they wouldn't do that at the moment because it will hinder their own growth.

[Nightwalker]

This is actually interesting to me. If China were actually communist, none of this would be possible.

So is Cuba the last real communist country out there?

I was surprised watching a new documentary. Everyone makes about the same wage, all their monthly groceries/etc are rationed. It's really interesting.

[rawr]

It's very expensive for immigrants to come into Canada nowadays. Anyone that can immigrate into Canada now are people that are wealthy and/or smart. Not only that, but money can flow in/out of China much easier now, which is why we see a huge influx of Chinese investors.

[domsme]

Jesus christ... China is at its heart communist. However Deng Xiaoping created special "economic zones" the main one being Shenzhen, an experiment with capitalism in China, compare this one city to all of Canada, USA and UK, it is on the same level financially and medically [ life expectancy ]. So to answer your question yes, China is still communist but it have special zones where capitalism is practiced. According to Xiaoping it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the mouse. aka, communism, capitalism, whatever helps its people catch up faster to the west is best.

[sundance1911]

Jesus christ... China is at its heart communist.

lol you mad?
China has 5000 years of history and the communist party has only existed in China for 50 years...1% of the entire Chinese history, the concept of communism is as foreign to the Chinese as Confucius is to westerners.

Chinese has been and will always be capitalist and authoritarian, no matter what party comes to power.

[wouwou]

Jesus christ... China is at its heart communist. However Deng Xiaoping created special "economic zones" the main one being Shenzhen, an experiment with capitalism in China, compare this one city to all of Canada, USA and UK, it is on the same level financially and medically [ life expectancy ]. So to answer your question yes, China is still communist but it have special zones where capitalism is practiced. According to Xiaoping it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the mouse. aka, communism, capitalism, whatever helps its people catch up faster to the west is best.

I am sorry to break it to you, but China at its heart is still Feudalism.

A weak central controlling powerful regional leaders.

Except a few hundred years ago the regional leaders actually listen to the central.

[achiam]

For those that are Mainlander, or have rich Mainlander friends:

So did you give up your China passport, since China does not allow dual citizenship? How do you feel about needing to get a visa every time you need to travel back to motherland? What about when you want to go back to China for long term work? Apply for Visa?

I was under the impression that the actual rich Mainlanders have a way around this.

I think they can have dual?

[dinamix]

most of the population is poor, out of 10 families only 1 is super rich. multiply that by 1.4 billion.

More like 10000 of 1
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[wouwou]

I think they can have dual?

I wish.

[liu13]

wouldnt be surprised if this is true; back in commie russia they stripped us of passport for moving too. simple answer: its a permanent move - often more opportunity here even for the rich. with a large enuff chinese population prolly feel like its not such a foreign land either so even more enticing to move here
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ya, sucks to get visa to go back, family still has property there, i could retire there before i'm 30, but dont wanna breathe the pollution and cant find marijuana

Jesus christ... China is at its heart communist. However Deng Xiaoping created special "economic zones" the main one being Shenzhen, an experiment with capitalism in China, compare this one city to all of Canada, USA and UK, it is on the same level financially and medically [ life expectancy ]. So to answer your question yes, China is still communist but it have special zones where capitalism is practiced. According to Xiaoping it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the mouse. aka, communism, capitalism, whatever helps its people catch up faster to the west is best.

special zones? all you need is money, will power and connections to get shit done, you'd have a much harder time getting a business set up in japan, shit is capitalist to the extreme

california, canada, and some eastern euro countries are far more communist than china

i'm hoping china gets universal health care by the century's end, that should be the goal of every superpower

[dark0821]

honestly, to the canadian chinese population, we see the visa for going back as just a money grab from the chinese govt, lets face it, as long as you apply for the visa and cough up the fees, China aint gonna deny you the visa, honestly for me, who goes back to shanghai like once every 5 years, i dont really think losing chinese citizen-ship is an issue...

like everyone else said, the rich to poor ratio is like 1,000,000 to 1, but being in Vancouver, we are seeing the "1" and not the 1,000,000 behind it, so everyone would assume everyone is a fuckin "BAWS" =.=

you have no idea how many people have asked me
"oh damn, you dont drive a BMW or Benz or Audi?" when I offer them to give them a ride..and they see a 270,000KM on odo corolla that is worth abt $500

[domsme]

lol you mad?
China has 5000 years of history and the communist party has only existed in China for 50 years...1% of the entire Chinese history, the concept of communism is as foreign to the Chinese as Confucius is to westerners.

Chinese has been and will always be capitalist and authoritarian, no matter what party comes to power.

The questions was "is china communist?" the answer is YES, the Communist party of china is still in power. Obviously communism does not work, and people have ways around it.

[hk20000]

honestly, to the canadian chinese population, we see the visa for going back as just a money grab from the chinese govt, lets face it, as long as you apply for the visa and cough up the fees, China aint gonna deny you the visa, honestly for me, who goes back to shanghai like once every 5 years, i dont really think losing chinese citizen-ship is an issue...

like everyone else said, the rich to poor ratio is like 1,000,000 to 1, but being in Vancouver, we are seeing the "1" and not the 1,000,000 behind it, so everyone would assume everyone is a fuckin "BAWS" =.=

you have no idea how many people have asked me
"oh damn, you dont drive a BMW or Benz or Audi?" when I offer them to give them a ride..and they see a 270,000KM on odo corolla that is worth abt $500
Lol those are the real "people's car" man they nevah die!!
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[liu13]

The questions was "is china communist?" the answer is YES, the Communist party of china is still in power. Obviously communism does not work, and people have ways around it.

obviously the CCP has abandoned communism decades ago, get with the times

just because a party is labeled communist doesn't mean the country runs on that system, it's more a formality and respect to the latest chinese hero, mao
eg. the bc liberals were conservative in many of their policies

obviously you dont know much about china, please refrain from stating obvious statements like communism does not work, say something we dont know

[snowball]

The questions was "is china communist?" the answer is YES, the Communist party of china is still in power. Obviously communism does not work, and people have ways around it.

Sorry, a name is just a name, not an actual platform... there was nothing "socialist" about the National Socialist party.

[sundance1911]

lol...if China is communist then Canada is probably facist...don't make a statement that's totally opposite from the reality, you make a fool of yourself.

[Death2Theft]

I bet most didn't have snow tires, for some reason I see way more asians on seymour than cypress.
i was as cypress yesterday and was buried in ML63s, X6Ms and RR Sports all driven by Mr and Mrs. China. Although China just overtook japan to be the world's second largest economy.

[Death2Theft]

Shenzhen the toxic dump responsible for most of the smog in HK is going to have the same life expectancy as Canada/US/UK? Get real.:failed:
Jesus christ... China is at its heart communist. However Deng Xiaoping created special "economic zones" the main one being Shenzhen, an experiment with capitalism in China, compare this one city to all of Canada, USA and UK, it is on the same level financially and medically [ life expectancy ]. So to answer your question yes, China is still communist but it have special zones where capitalism is practiced. According to Xiaoping it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the mouse. aka, communism, capitalism, whatever helps its people catch up faster to the west is best.

[m4k4v4li]

its painful to read this thread