[LiquidTurbo]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/02/16/obama-proposes-travel-fee-for-canada/

$5.50 everytime to enter states? :failed::failed::failed::failed:
:swear::swear::swear::swear::swear:

[Vale46Rossi]

Dumb ass fucking idiot

[UFO]

Meh, not sure what the big deal is. The article says for commercial vessels (ie. airplanes, cruiseships, etc etc and NOT busses). There are already a pile of taxes, surcharges, departure fees when flying, what's another $5.50.

[ruthless]

as stated above its for flying etc. not for driving over the border...

[Volvo-brickster]

when your debt is $14 trillion + ... $5.50 seems like grasping at straws no ?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[satek]

Meh, not sure what the big deal is. The article says for commercial vessels (ie. airplanes, cruiseships, etc etc and NOT busses). There are already a pile of taxes, surcharges, departure fees when flying, what's another $5.50.

It's another $5.50 wasted.

[Hurricane]

Lets put a 500% duty/tariff on all the cheap prescription medicine they buy from us.

[UFO]

It's another $5.50 wasted.

Hey, nobody's pointing a gun to your head and telling you to travel by air, boat, train to the US.

If that $5.50 is going to keep you from a vacation to Florida, sucks to be you.

If you want to fight a fee, fight 'fuel surcharges'. You buy your ticket, but you have to pay extra for the fuel used by the vessel? What sense does that make, lol. Waiting for the day a 'seat surcharge' is assessed...

[MG1]

it's not about the $5.50. It could be 5¢ or $500.00. It's the principle behind it. Anyway, next time the Prime Minister meets the President and they are at a press conference, the Prime Minister should reach into his pocket and give the President a ten dollar bill and ask for change in front of the cameras.

Where's Trudeau when you need him? Not afraid of the US.

He would do that and more to prove a point.


It's just a proposal if that........ the nerve of the bastards.


Next time we have another incident like 911, we should tell the planes to land in Cuba instead.

[TRDood]

I thought US do charge already for other countries. If I recall correctly, my UK friend holding a UK passport had to pay something like $10 for the border agent to process him to enter US.

[twitchyzero]

airfare to the US are generally a rip-off anyways..just fly from bellingham

[gars]

putting a $5.50 charge is no different from having to pay for a Visa at the border. What's the point of having our no-visa agreements if you're going to bypass it with a "border-crossing charge"?

[hirevtuner]

just to clarify, it only applies to sea and air so when we drive through, we dont pay the 5.50

[gdoh]

we should impose the same tax for them i mean its only fair right?

[TheKingdom2000]

Meh, not sure what the big deal is. The article says for commercial vessels (ie. airplanes, cruiseships, etc etc and NOT busses). There are already a pile of taxes, surcharges, departure fees when flying, what's another $5.50.

Why do you think every time you look in the paper you see a flight to Mexico for $300 and at the bottom you see +$400 in taxes and fee's.

That is where the $5.50 here and $20 there, and $10 everywhere come from.
The fee's add up.

[bloodmack]

For long haul trucks we have to pay 10 bucks to enter the states unless we have a transpoonder. 5.50 for commercial vehicles would cost alot of transportation companies some major $$. But, i see they crossed out vehicles so no worries :P. We should do the same thing, if this happens.

[$_$]

what happened to nafta? isn't this the equiv of going backwards?

[tiger_handheld]

we should make our fee $6.50 CAD . cuz Uncle Ben isn't worth a whole lot today :) ..

[BNR32_Coupe]

what happened to nafta? isn't this the equiv of going backwards?

what about the nafta? what the hell are you talking about?

the US is in a big fucking deficit and china basically owns them. give them a break. they charge nothing when times are good, but when times are rough they start nickle and diming for everything, how does this not make sense? our economy rides on theirs, so if they need $100 mil injected into their gdp then that shouldnt be a problem

anyways, to offset the extra $5 in coin you spend to fly to the US, fly down there with an empty suitcase and old clothes, shopping spree then go have fun doing your vacation, then fly back with +$1000 savings in new clothes and products. problem, canada?

[MG1]

anyways, to offset the extra $5 in coin you spend to fly to the US, fly down there with an empty suitcase and old clothes, shopping spree then go have fun doing your vacation, then fly back with +$1000 savings in new clothes and products. problem, canada?

Then we should stop vacationing there and spend our money here to support our economy. We go down there to spend. Uh........... what happened to that part?

So the US is struggling. Is that our fault? They rape us.......... oh sorry, we let them take our natural resources for dirt cheap because we're so nice......... wait... they bullied us for that............. great neighbours they are.

Anyway, 5.50 is really nothing, we get that. Next it will be something else and it will keep going and going. The US Government has done this time and time again and we keep taking it. Think back to all the wars. The US had their dick in all of it. Always fucking other countries up the ass. Talk about smelly dick (refer to a certain thread in fight club).

Having said that, the US is our neighbour, our cousins, our protector, our friends.................. with friends like them, who needs enemies?

[Jayhall]

if you dont like it dont go.

[xmisstrinh]

what about the nafta? what the hell are you talking about?

the US is in a big fucking deficit and china basically owns them. give them a break. they charge nothing when times are good, but when times are rough they start nickle and diming for everything, how does this not make sense? our economy rides on theirs, so if they need $100 mil injected into their gdp then that shouldnt be a problem

anyways, to offset the extra $5 in coin you spend to fly to the US, fly down there with an empty suitcase and old clothes, shopping spree then go have fun doing your vacation, then fly back with +$1000 savings in new clothes and products. problem, canada?


Exploiting other countries with the mind set that that they're better than the rest bit them in the ass.

[TheKingdom2000]

what happened to nafta? isn't this the equiv of going backwards?

NAFTA deals with goods.
North American Free Trade Agreement.
So if we buy a tshirt that is made in the USA we can bring it back to Canada Duty Free. (Though we can still get charged tax on it)

This is something totally different. And does not fall under NAFTA.

[drunkrussian]

when your debt is $14 trillion + ... $5.50 seems like grasping at straws no ?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

but before an election, this is a way to not only distract from other mpre important issues, but also to say he is raising money without charging americans for it ;-) tyical political bs imo
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[BNR32_Coupe]

Exploiting other countries with the mind set that that they're better than the rest bit them in the ass.

how so?

[ruthless]

when close to 16million Canadians fly to the US every year 16mill x $5.50 is a lot, and as stated above they have to get their money from somewhere especially since there trillions of dollars in debt

[CanadaGoose]

Fuck that

The fuck is this shit, did Obama start hanging out with Snoop Dogg and learn how to hustle or something? If anyone; any Prime Minister, Dictator, President thinks they can just DECIDE they want our money, and take it without reason, they are a fucking clown, that needs to get into their clown car and go drive off a motherfucking golden gate bridge.

If congress decides they all want to do this, we could throw it right back in their star spangled fucking faces. I can almost tell you that if this proposal goes through, it won't stop there - there will be a slow steady creep in fee's. If the cow gives milk....keep on milking it right? If Canada stands for this, and gives this an inch - and let's not forget which Government we are talking about here - they will rip out a fucking green mile to go with it. Ohhh, but NAFTA doesn't say we're not allowed to do this - shut the fuck up you asshat. We're your goddamn neighbors

:facepalm:


/rant

[Graeme S]

When I read these kinds of articles, I always find it odd that the politician becomes a kind of scapegoat for it: "obama proposes". What actually happened is it was presented to Congress as part of his 2011 preliminary budget, a budget which had a ridiculous sized staff working on. Certainly, we can assume that he did sign off on the larger more important parts, but is it necessary to assume that he specifically went out of his way to say "hey, you know how Canadians fly in free here? How about we charge them for getting in, we could probably get a couple mil from that, right?".

Let's be honest. You shouldn't exclusively blame the head of an organization for a recommendation made by a committee. Make note, absolutely. Place single-handed blame? All that's gonna do is keep the same people who recommended the decision in place while removing the figurehead that had nothing to do with it other than effectively signing it in.
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[BNR32_Coupe]

Fuck that

The fuck is this shit, did Obama start hanging out with Snoop Dogg and learn how to hustle or something? If anyone; any Prime Minister, Dictator, President thinks they can just DECIDE they want our money, and take it without reason, they are a fucking clown, that needs to get into their clown car and go drive off a motherfucking golden gate bridge.

If congress decides they all want to do this, we could throw it right back in their star spangled fucking faces. I can almost tell you that if this proposal goes through, it won't stop there - there will be a slow steady creep in fee's. If the cow gives milk....keep on milking it right? If Canada stands for this, and gives this an inch - and let's not forget which Government we are talking about here - they will rip out a fucking green mile to go with it. Ohhh, but NAFTA doesn't say we're not allowed to do this - shut the fuck up you asshat. We're your goddamn neighbors

:facepalm:


/rant

^ that's some good logic right there... if you're a farmer.

there's something called equilibrium. of course you cant keep upping the rates, less people would go to the states which means less GDP injection.. a reverse effect of their intentions.

ill put this back into farmers logic for you, but promise not to delete this post: if you milk the cow too much, it wont be able to feed its calves, and you'll be out of business in the future. the trick is to milk it just enough to make your ends meet. because of the diminishing marginal returns, there's some magic number where you can tax the shit out of canadian tourists but not lose too much money from tourist dollars. hence, equilibrium. you're certified in common sense now, thank button below.

[CanadaGoose]

^ that's some good logic right there... if you're a farmer.

there's something called equilibrium. of course you cant keep upping the rates, less people would go to the states which means less GDP injection.. a reverse effect of their intentions.

ill put this back into farmers logic for you, but promise not to delete this post: if you milk the cow too much, it wont be able to feed its calves, and you'll be out of business in the future. the trick is to milk it just enough to make your ends meet. because of the diminishing marginal returns, there's some magic number where you can tax the shit out of canadian tourists but not lose too much money from tourist dollars. hence, equilibrium. you're certified in common sense now, thank button below.

Yeah I understand the concept; and that justifies an entrance fee to Canadians? If you want my thanks, you'll need to explain a legitimate reason as well lol. btw please do not instigate in VOT, there's no need to be condescending in your post.

I think everybody understands the President is just a 'face' to a much larger governing body, and it's not like Obama himself is out to get Canadians - but that face has the power to veto, and that face also shouldn't be glossing over any policy that effects other Countries without some consideration, especially when it's a neighboring ally like us - so in a way he is perpetrating this proposal as well.

[BNR32_Coupe]

When I read these kinds of articles, I always find it odd that the politician becomes a kind of scapegoat for it: "obama proposes". What actually happened is it was presented to Congress as part of his 2011 preliminary budget, a budget which had a ridiculous sized staff working on. Certainly, we can assume that he did sign off on the larger more important parts, but is it necessary to assume that he specifically went out of his way to say "hey, you know how Canadians fly in free here? How about we charge them for getting in, we could probably get a couple mil from that, right?".

Let's be honest. You shouldn't exclusively blame the head of an organization for a recommendation made by a committee. Make note, absolutely. Place single-handed blame? All that's gonna do is keep the same people who recommended the decision in place while removing the figurehead that had nothing to do with it other than effectively signing it in.
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When I read these types of complaints from canadians, it makes me wonder about perspective. what if we taxed all chinese tourists and put the money into making our transportation infrastructure (primarily streets and highways) more efficient? would you argue against a $5 fee from all chinese tourists if it meant that you could get to places faster and experience less traffic congestion?

[Guy_LikeWhoa]

This sucks if it only applies to canadians. They should make it more fair and charge everyone that enters by air or sea. I could inderstand that.
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[CanadaGoose]

When I read these types of complaints from canadians, it makes me wonder about perspective. what if we taxed all chinese tourists and put the money into making our transportation infrastructure (primarily streets and highways) more efficient? would you argue against a $5 fee from all chinese tourists if it meant that you could get to places faster and experience less traffic congestion?

In a way it's happened before, read up on the Chinese Head Tax. It may not be exactly like the scenario you paint, but it'll give you perspective and outcomes.

[BNR32_Coupe]

And that justifies an entrance fee to Canadians? Yeah I understand the concept, but if you want my thanks, you'll need to explain a legitimate reason as well.

Okay for a double thanks Ill explain why. Canada, mexico, and some caribbean places have previously been exempt from these fees. This means, if you live in any other country, you have to pay the fee.

Basically, america is like a nightclub, and if youre from north america, you don't have to pay cover. if youre from anywhere else, covers $5.50. ok club america owes a lot of money cause it kept lending money to people to buy houses. now club america needs to make money or else its going to be bought out completely by china nightclub enterprises. so club america goes "hey canada, you're my best customer, i cant let you in my club for free anymore" then club canada says
http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz348/CarefullyWovenPhotography/Okay.png
because it has no choice, since club america sells the cheapest drinks by the bar and has the hottest chicks.

that is the reason why obama is cutting the slack for canadians. we had a privilege, now he's taking it away.

[CanadaGoose]

Okay for a double thanks Ill explain why. Canada, mexico, and some caribbean places have previously been exempt from these fees. This means, if you live in any other country, you have to pay the fee.

Basically, america is like a nightclub, and if youre from north america, you don't have to pay cover. if youre from anywhere else, covers $5.50. ok club america owes a lot of money cause it kept lending money to people to buy houses. now club america needs to make money or else its going to be bought out completely by china nightclub enterprises. so club america goes "hey canada, you're my best customer, i cant let you in my club for free anymore" then club canada says
http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz348/CarefullyWovenPhotography/Okay.png


Hahah but we haven't said anything to it yet, it's not even policy yet, so you can't post that pic. Look, it's kind of hard to follow your analogy, but if you honestly believe that's a Legitimate reason, you're only playing devils advocate and aren't worth discussing this with.

[StaxBundlez]

i'll get in one way or another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTYHtezv4I&playnext=1&list=PLF13275F34EC3695B

[Great68]

because it has no choice, since club america sells the cheapest drinks by the bar and has the hottest chicks.

that is the reason why obama is cutting the slack for canadians. we had a privilege, now he's taking it away.

Canada supplies club America a big chunk of it's party supplies, and if it had any balls it would say "Fuck you club America, I can sell my shit to Club China instead"

[BNR32_Coupe]

Hahah but we haven't said anything to it yet, it's not even policy yet, so you can't post that pic. Look, it's kind of hard to follow your analogy, but if you honestly believe that's a Legitimate reason, you're only playing devils advocate and aren't worth discussing this with.

you don't have to capitalize 'legitimate', we know it's a fancy word. :hotbaby:

i just want to confirm one thing: you're suggesting that obama's simply lifting the fee exemptions on canadian for fun?

btw in the world of naive people, the devils advocate is king.

[bengy]

what about the nafta? what the hell are you talking about?

the US is in a big fucking deficit and china basically owns them. give them a break. they charge nothing when times are good, but when times are rough they start nickle and diming for everything, how does this not make sense? our economy rides on theirs, so if they need $100 mil injected into their gdp then that shouldnt be a problem

anyways, to offset the extra $5 in coin you spend to fly to the US, fly down there with an empty suitcase and old clothes, shopping spree then go have fun doing your vacation, then fly back with +$1000 savings in new clothes and products. problem, canada?

:failed:

If you're going down to the states, you're already spending money into their economy. Adding a 5$ surcharge is just a slap in the face. And I guess it's alright with you that we help out an economy that got a few people rich as fuck while everyone else went bankrupt. Let's dig them out of their financial hole, 5$ at a time. :rolleyes:

[BNR32_Coupe]

Canada supplies club America a big chunk of it's party supplies, and if it had any balls it would say "Fuck you club America, I can sell my shit to Club China instead"

yeah but america is our best customer, we need them like china needs america. if we flipped a double bird to the south, we'll have a huge drop in foreign investments. for example, futureshop and bestbuy are american companies and visions is canadian.

you think we'd be better off with visions? honestly.. look at how they run their stores. but anyways, lets pretend for a minute that it was true. visions, as a MONOPOLY, would skyrocket their prices.

also, we'd have to buy all our shit direct from china, who'd sell it to us for a higher price, since america (with more buying power = economies of scale = cheaper prices) is out of the picture

lastly, imagine the logistics of goods/services right now. they're conducted across the border. that's cause, for vancouver, it's logistically feasible to trade goods/services with washington, than to trade with canada's homebase ontario, or our alternative china

therefore, we have to give a little to receive a little with the US. we need them, just like they need china.

[BNR32_Coupe]

:failed:

If you're going down to the states, you're already spending money into their economy. Adding a 5$ surcharge is just a slap in the face. And I guess it's alright with you that we help out an economy that got a few people rich as fuck while everyone else went bankrupt. Let's dig them out of their financial hole, 5$ at a time. :rolleyes:

:stfu:

they;re not adding, theyre lifting the $5 exemption that they've been charging to other countries. $5 at a time for a country we depend on, think about it. actually, enroll yourself in an economics course then come back and talk shit

[bengy]

:stfu:

they;re not adding, theyre lifting the $5 exemption that they've been charging to other countries. $5 at a time for a country we depend on, think about it. actually, enroll yourself in an economics course then come back and talk shit

Listen dipshit, we're talking about a dick move here by the US. I don't give a fuck about the economics of a dick move. And 5$ to add 100 milliion in revenue to a 1 trillion deficit is fuck all. Not like this will be helping their economy much, the money is going to their shitty Homeland Security Department. We all know what a good job they do! :2finger:

[El Bastardo]

:stfu:
enroll yourself in an economics course then come back and talk shit



This thread has been less about us discussing US economic policy as it pertains to Canadians entering the states and more about you trying to flex your mental muscles.

Yes, we see that you've been to business school. You've got it in your sig. Stop trying to show off.


We're not impressed, BNR

[BNR32_Coupe]

This thread has been less about us discussing US economic policy as it pertains to Canadians entering the states and more about you trying to flex your mental muscles.

Yes, we see that you've been to business school. You've got it in your sig. Stop trying to show off.


We're not impressed, BNR

you're right, there's definitely nothing related to economics at all. this is a matter of the US being dicks to canadians. we should muster our armed forces to wear pink and parade around the border or do a flash mob rally against political bullying :facepalm:

i dont care if you're impressed, but i feel like a god in this thread. just look at what's happening: people get thanked for stupid videos, strategic economic policies labeled as dick moves and bullying, selective reading which supports emotional reactions, points assigned for slightly mean posts directed at mods. nobody's trying to discern the logic behind a decision that a panel of experts constructed, yet the people that do (myself) are being told they're not worthy of a discussion.

[tiger_handheld]

yeah but america is our best customer, we need them like china needs america. if we flipped a double bird to the south, we'll have a huge drop in foreign investments. for example, futureshop and bestbuy are american companies and visions is canadian.

you think we'd be better off with visions? honestly.. look at how they run their stores. but anyways, lets pretend for a minute that it was true. visions, as a MONOPOLY, would skyrocket their prices.

also, we'd have to buy all our shit direct from china, who'd sell it to us for a higher price, since america (with more buying power = economies of scale = cheaper prices) is out of the picture

lastly, imagine the logistics of goods/services right now. they're conducted across the border. that's cause, for vancouver, it's logistically feasible to trade goods/services with washington, than to trade with canada's homebase ontario, or our alternative china

therefore, we have to give a little to receive a little with the US. we need them, just like they need china.

+1

[Nightwalker]

Why should I care about this? I'll gladly fork over $5.50 to go on my next vacation down there.

[MG1]

but i feel like a god in this thread.

...

you sure you don't feel like a god everywhere you go?

BNR32

BNR32 Coupe went to Sauder School of Business for 8 years and graduated with honors in Economics. He resides in the Shaugnessy area of Vancouver, and is currently employed as an entry-level executive for a medium sized private company. In his leisure, BNR32 Coupe enjoys traveling, horse-back riding, motorsports, and quarreling via the world wide web.

Shaugnessy, eh?

At least spell it right.


................ god bless.

[Gh0stRider]

Fuck You Obama

[El Bastardo]

nobody's trying to discern the logic behind a decision that a panel of experts constructed, yet the people that do (myself) are being told they're not worthy of a discussion.



Its the way that you're going about it that just comes off as obnoxious. The sad thing is that I agree entirely with you. You just come off like a douche in making said point.

[freakshow]

Hey BNR.. I got this breast pump for sale..

[unit]

lol obama. what a joke. they definitely need ron paul for president in 2012, then they can focus on generating revenue by savings not small peanuts like this.

[MG1]

Hey BNR.. I got this breast pump for sale..

Oh shit, I remember that thread......... sort of .............. link again, please, just for giggles.

Oh, nevermind. I found it and it's not pretty. Sorry, BNR, I remember defending you once, long ago in yet another post. I felt you were being ridiculed unfairly. My bad.

At least you're not like Bradford. You're a good sport.

[dual]

What pisses me off the most is Canada isn't doing anything about it. The Canadian government is too scared to do anything against the US.

[StylinRed]

CTV news commercial, Freight Tax for entering the US too? oO wtf "to pay for roads"

here's an article

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Congressmen+urge+freight+Canadian+imports+roads/4305122/story.html

OTTAWA — Even as the prime minister criticized a proposed U.S. head-tax on Canadian air travellers, some cash-strapped American politicians are pushing for a levy on Canadian imports to pay for U.S. road works.

A bill recently introduced in Congress calls for a "freight fee" on international trade goods that could, if approved, cost Canadian and U.S. importers and exporters an estimated $420 million a year over 10 years.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Congressmen+urge+freight+Canadian+imports+roads/4305122/story.html#ixzz1ENyi5ezU

[Mr.Money]

i just took note,obama doesn't give a fuck that Canadian soldiers are helping in the war or normal everyday canadian's so he goe's and start's taxing us just to visit & step on their soil,yet alone we spent a shit load of money over there for item's and food..

already fuckin it up,Get your Greedy Black Ass out the office,ya black George bush.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UUMgLVKg5B4/RpHXpwUvLsI/AAAAAAAAAEM/UyNzS0jhAcE/s320/Black%2BGeorge%2BW%2BBush.JPG

[tegz]

jewbama

[Soundy]

Basically, america is like a nightclub, and if youre from north america, you don't have to pay cover. if youre from anywhere else, covers $5.50.

......

that is the reason why obama is cutting the slack for canadians. we had a privilege, now he's taking it away.

Actually, cover for everywhere is is MORE than $5.50 - as TRDood pointed out, it's $10 for UK visitors... other places may be more or less.

So no, they're not "taking away" the privilege... they're just reducing it; we still get a rate. And it's not JUST Canadians - the same applies to Mexico and the Caribbean.

[Graeme S]

When I read these types of complaints from canadians, it makes me wonder about perspective. what if we taxed all chinese tourists and put the money into making our transportation infrastructure (primarily streets and highways) more efficient? would you argue against a $5 fee from all chinese tourists if it meant that you could get to places faster and experience less traffic congestion?

If we were taxing all others and simply had an exemption for Chinese citizens, no, I probably wouldn't argue against it. But then, the situations are completely different.

Canadians travel to the US because it's often closer to go down south than it is to go across Canada.

Canadians travel to the US because it's often cheaper to buy goods that are also available here even when accounting for travel costs when spending less than a full paycheque's worth.

Canadians have had a history of working to open the border with the US in order to work up both economies; the Americans are less enthusiastic about it now because they no longer have the dollar-value advantage, and so Canadian labour is the same or even more than American Labour.


These things are all Canadian advantages, not American, so what reason would the US have to keep the exemption in place? And how many of those are true for China and Canada?

CTV news commercial, Freight Tax for entering the US too? oO wtf "to pay for roads"

here's an article

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Congressmen+urge+freight+Canadian+imports+roads/4305122/story.html

The article says it's estimated to bring in $400 million over the next 10 years, yet it also says that based on the $1.2b in daily bilateral trade, it'd add about $112 million per day.

Anything that has such wildly ranging numbers seems to me more to be inflammatory rather than informational. Add to that it's the equivalent of a private member's bill, and we face very little threat from it.

What pisses me off the most is Canada isn't doing anything about it. The Canadian government is too scared to do anything against the US.

Where does it say the Canadian government isn't doing anything about it? Making a giant fuss in public is always counterproductive; most likely there is something going on through diplomatic channels.

And even if there isn't, let's be realistic:
Those who are cheap often already fly out of the US (people flying within the US would not be subject to this tax, since it's a tax for entering the US on a plane)

If you're driving down to Blaine or Point Roberts to pick up shipping or go shopping, you won't get charged anything.

Remember the "Airport Improvement Fee" at YVR? It was more than the $5.50 that the US wants to charge flyers. Did you boycott YVR because of it?

i dont care if you're impressed, but i feel like a god in this thread.
I am not impressed. At all. Much as you accuse others of, you are simply "fanning the flames" and trying to make peoples' opinions become more extreme simply to make them exaggerate their own opinions to make you trumpet your triumph.


Read my posts. They're filled with logic.

just look at what's happening: people get thanked for stupid videos, strategic economic policies labeled as dick moves and bullying, selective reading which supports emotional reactions, points assigned for slightly mean posts directed at mods. nobody's trying to discern the logic behind a decision that a panel of experts constructed, yet the people that do (myself) are being told they're not worthy of a discussion.

You are not worthy of a discussion.

Some of the points you're making are.