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Christy Clark

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BREAKING: B.C.'s new premier will be Christy Clark http://theprov.in/eIZnlo #leadbcl #bcpoli
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[murd0c]

See ya Gordon don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!!!

[JesseBlue]

me no care at this point...

[MG1]

me no care at this point...

Me too, as long as the creep from Abbotsford didn't get past round one.

Christy Clark is kind of cool. Cute and perky, LOL.

[Hondaracer]

liberals wont get reelected with her at the helm

[Teriyaki]

liberals wont get reelected with her at the helm

And we're gonna have another 4 years of NDP raping our province.

[twitchyzero]

And we're gonna have another 4 years of NDP raping our province.

too bad i won't be a student by then

[StylinRed]

Christy won because of her boobs


i wouldn't vote for liberals with her @ the helm

I would have if Mike De Jong got it he's been in the game far longer than the other candidates and he's a smart cookie even though some of his views maybe against RS' views ;)

[quasi]

I vote for the party not the leader so I don't care either way. If I had a choice Dianne Watts (had she chose to run) would have made a good Premier.

[Hondaracer]

i think Kevin Falcon was the best candidate personally, but obviously whoever gets elected is going to eventually crumble

Christy just seems to have a bunch of personal agenda items, and when she's in power i could see her making a bunch of moves that kind of just go to say "yea, now i'm the one running this shit"

[Volvo-brickster]

Now we just have to see who the NDP choose as their leader.

[SuperAman]

The public seems to like her, I think they voted her in because she is the most likely to keep the liberals in government. They don't want another NDP situation on their hands where they were wiped almost to extermination.

[Hondaracer]

she won because she can talk

[bcrdukes]

Not sure if I dig her left-of-centre political agenda. Seems like her way of finishing off the job for her husband, Glenn Clark.

Edit: I am a FailBlog.org

[Volvo-brickster]

Not sure if I dig her left-of-centre political agenda. Seems like her way of finishing off the job for her husband, Glenn Clark.

uh.... WAT ?

She is a single mom.

She is in no way related to Glenn Clark.

[Soundy]

Christy Clark is kind of cool. Cute and perky, LOL.

Milftastic!

[AutozamAZ-3]

i dont know what you guys see in her... (aesthetically)

[StylinRed]

i dont know what you guys see in her... (aesthetically)


http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/02/c8/78e8033d45bc86a3e07fd3ebd749.jpeg

boobs


Not sure if I dig her left-of-centre political agenda. Seems like her way of finishing off the job for her husband, Glenn Clark.

her husband was Mark Marissen
http://www.theburrardgroup.com/images/team1color_03.jpg
or maybe you were being funny? dunno went over my head ;)

[bcrdukes]

Fuck my life.

[StylinRed]

with teachers hating Christy Clark and her involvement in the BC Rail scandal

wonder how she'll do in an election (although ppl are quick to forget when it comes to the liberals)

[shenmecar]

get rid of HST nao.

[Tapioca]

get rid of HST nao.

Right, and give back $1.x billion to the federal government.

[quasi]

get rid of HST nao.

Not happening, maybe they reduce it a percent but that is probably a hail mary with no time left on the clock as well.

[Nightwalker]

Cool, I hope she can keep the NDP out.

[Culverin]

Exactly.
I really have no hope for the liberal party.

I think they nearly as corrupt as the NDP. (maybe same? Maybe more? but it's probably pretty close).
But at least they seem corrupt with good business sense.

At the end of a liberal term, I'd be reasonable confidence they haven't screwed over the entire BC economy.
With the NDP, I think that's a coin toss.

[StaxBundlez]

http://adland.tv/n1rv4n4g8/2007/augjpgs/delmontead.jpg

[Soundy]

with teachers hating Christy Clark
I don't think *teachers* hate her as much as the *BCTF*. And really, the willingness to stand up to the unions gains her major props from me.

and her involvement in the BC Rail scandal
You have proof of this that the RCMP didn't uncover BOTH times they investigated her?

[Gridlock]

Here is all I want and expect:

1: Clean up the liberal image drastically. They are severely tainted.
2: Reduce the HST to 10%.
3: Cut spending to entitlement programs

and the most important

4: Keep the NDP out!

We can't afford them. Every time they get in power, they try to outspend in creating more entitlement programs, and I think North America wide we can see-it doesn't work!

Long term, I'd love to see a third party option that wasn't the green party-or, as I like to think of them, the NDP without the NDP's famed level of fiscal restraint.

[Lomac]

get rid of HST nao.

You do realize that the HST is good for the province, right?

[Great68]

Hooray no Mike Ding Dong!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[q0192837465]

Let's see how she tackle the unemployment issue.
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[rslater]

I think she was the best candidate if the liberals want to stay in power for another four years. The other three candidates were too close to the HST faisco and Gordo. By saying she wasnt in power when it was implemented she can convice voters who are indecisive between NDP and Liberals, that she hasn't been apart of all the liberal decisions that were not thought highly off over the last couple years.

[StylinRed]

You have proof of this that the RCMP didn't uncover BOTH times they investigated her?

i don't understand what you wrote?

but her brother is a lobbyist for BC Rail it came out in court that she provided information (although it wasn't explored) and the police did go to her home to interrogate her husband

you know we paint people guilty on here with far far less "coincidences" revolving around them

[Soundy]

What's not to understand?

Twice she was accused of "involvement" and even "complicity" with the whole affair... twice she was investigated... and twice she was cleared of any wrongdoing.

But apparently you have additional evidence. Why didn't you bring it to the police when you had the chance? Now it's too late, so put up or shut up.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/marie01_08/Smileys%20and%20Stuff/AnimatedRollingEyesSmiley.gif

[DC5-S]

You do realize that the HST is good for the province, right?

good for province. not good for civilian
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[StylinRed]

What's not to understand?

Twice she was accused of "involvement" and even "complicity" with the whole affair... twice she was investigated... and twice she was cleared of any wrongdoing.


when was she investigated and cleared? all i read was the police said they weren't investigating her and when it was brought up in trial again it wasn't explored (investigated)

[Soundy]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=christy+clark+investigated+bc+rail

-------->>


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/02/16/bc-bc-rail-documents.html

An exhaustive political corruption investigation into the sale of BC Rail that included an unprecedented raid on the British Columbia legislature found no evidence of wrongdoing by any elected official, including a candidate in the ongoing Liberal leadership race, according to documents obtained by The Globe and Mail.

...

The BC Rail scandal has hung over the Liberal party and its leadership race, particularly candidate Christy Clark, who was deputy premier at the time. During pre-trial hearings in the case, defence lawyers suggested Clark might have been a source of cabinet leaks to lobbyists.

But the newly released documents from the investigation show the RCMP found no evidence to support those suggestions, and instead indicate police were never suspicious of Clark.

[TheNewGirl]

I would have voted for Diane Watts in a heart beat had she been willing to run.

Christie Clark was the only hope left of the liberal party getting re elected into power BUT the party themselves dislikes her... strongly. So I'm not sure how well she'll be able to govern (especially given we are in this situation currently because both parties cannibalized their leadership).

Further more, Christie Clark came in very Anti HST and Anti other party issues and has changed her stances considerably as the leadership race got closer. She's moved to a stance of changing HOW the party does business more than what the party business actually is. I am not comfortable with her weak stances on all this and seeming bi polar disorder on a couple issues.

:(

Mind you the only viable alternative we have currently is the NDP.

[Soundy]

Keep in mind a LOT of people in the business sector disliked the HST and have gradually been changing their minds as the benefits to them become evident. Politicians are allowed to change their opinions, too.

And how many of those other "party issues" were based around Campbell in particular? It's quite likely that as she's actually gotten INVOLVED with the party, she's gained new perspective on a lot of them. It's a different view from the inside, than looking in from the outside.

[Jayhall]

And we're gonna have another 4 years of NDP raping our province.

opposed to what, another 4 years of the liberals raping us?? Whats it fucking matter anyways, vote for the lesser evil because thats our only choice.

she won because she can talk

so did Obama, seems to be working out pretty well for him

[Gumby]

i dont know what you guys see in her... (aesthetically)
I know what 89blkcivic sees in her - his dick! :fullofwin:

(Although you do specify "aesthetically"...)

[darkfroggy]

good for province. not good for civilian
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That makes no sense at all.

[TheKingdom2000]

i really wonder if there is an elected politician who is actually for the people and that does not have a hidden agenda???

I don't get it. If I were in power I would want to make sure I was informed about everything. I would want to try and make the education and health system better while being up to date on our financial situation. making cuts where there needs to be etc...

[darkfroggy]

i really wonder if there is an elected politician who is actually for the people and that does not have a hidden agenda???

I don't get it. If I were in power I would want to make sure I was informed about everything. I would want to try and make the education and health system better while being up to date on our financial situation. making cuts where there needs to be etc...

Contrary to what most people think, most people in politics actually do want to make a difference in their community.

If you want to get rich easily, you DON'T become a politician. The public sector pales significantly compared to the private sector.

[quasi]

i really wonder if there is an elected politician who is actually for the people and that does not have a hidden agenda???

I don't get it. If I were in power I would want to make sure I was informed about everything. I would want to try and make the education and health system better while being up to date on our financial situation. making cuts where there needs to be etc...

Chuck Cadman was that way but unfortunaltey he's no longer with us.

[The_AK]

A woman in power? What is she going to do? Free sandwiches for all?
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Edit* seriously though, what will she bring to the table?

[TheKingdom2000]

hey guys,

can someone clarify this for me...
In regards to "wings"

The conservatives are - Right wing
Liberals are - Left wing
Where do the NDP and the Green party fit into all of this?

are the NDP more left wing than the liberals or less, same with the green party? or are all of them pretty much left wing together?

thanks

[stylez2k4]

hey guys,

can someone clarify this for me...
In regards to "wings"

The conservatives are - Right wing
Liberals are - Left wing
Where do the NDP and the Green party fit into all of this?

are the NDP more left wing than the liberals or less, same with the green party? or are all of them pretty much left wing together?

thanks

Liberals are more moderate whereas NDP are left wing.

[stylez2k4]

i really wonder if there is an elected politician who is actually for the people and that does not have a hidden agenda???

I don't get it. If I were in power I would want to make sure I was informed about everything. I would want to try and make the education and health system better while being up to date on our financial situation. making cuts where there needs to be etc...


It is easy to say we want to improve the education and heath care system but in actuality it is difficult. There is limited amount of funding available and everyone wants a piece of the pie. There are an insane amount of bureaucratic hurdles that politicians have to cross to make any sort of significant change. Just look at the ridiculous amount of opposition against the HST which has been proven to be effective in other parts of Canada. People look at their bill and realize that they pay several % more and they flip without taking any time to consider the long-term implications.


Biggest problem (IMO) in any democratic society is the sheer amount of uneducated idiots that vote.

[darkfroggy]

hey guys,

can someone clarify this for me...
In regards to "wings"

The conservatives are - Right wing
Liberals are - Left wing
Where do the NDP and the Green party fit into all of this?

are the NDP more left wing than the liberals or less, same with the green party? or are all of them pretty much left wing together?

thanks

A small guide for reference:

Conservative - Centre-right
Liberal - Centre
NDP - Centre-left
Green - Left

United States is:

Democrat - Right
Republican - Right-er

[goo3]

hey guys,

can someone clarify this for me...
In regards to "wings"

The conservatives are - Right wing
Liberals are - Left wing
Where do the NDP and the Green party fit into all of this?

are the NDP more left wing than the liberals or less, same with the green party? or are all of them pretty much left wing together?

thanks

I have another question. Why are so many political junkies so into left vs right? Why do we never hear you guys talk about competence? You act as if all decision-makers are of equal quality.. they're not.

When everyone's busy choosing a side, they get so blinded they forget to measure the results of the policies they implement. They act is if the problem they want to solve cares about which side they belong to - it (the problem) doesn't give a shit. Each situation is dynamic.. it all but guarantees a sub-optimal solution or one that barely works. You guys are using flashlight to fix a broken chair.

[StylinRed]

ah thanks Soundy for the story
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[carisear]

A small guide for reference:

Conservative - Centre-right
Liberal - Centre
NDP - Centre-left
Green - Left

United States is:

Democrat - Right
Republican - Right-er


for federal politics, that's pretty close.

conservatives have gone a little more than centre-right, liberals have shifted very slightly centre-left, ndp are far left, and so is green.

for provincial politics (what this thread was originally about) the liberals are centre-right, while the ndp are still left. (federal and provincial NDP are very closely related to each other -- they fully support each other)

the provincial liberals, on the other hand, have nothing to do with federal liberals at all. i can understand how people get confused by politics. it's something you really have to spend time on in order to figure stuff out.

[Tapioca]

I have another question. Why are so many political junkies so into left vs right? Why do we never hear you guys talk about competence? You act as if all decision-makers are of equal quality.. they're not.

When everyone's busy choosing a side, they get so blinded they forget to measure the results of the policies they implement. They act is if the problem they want to solve cares about which side they belong to - it (the problem) doesn't give a shit. Each situation is dynamic.. it all but guarantees a sub-optimal solution or one that barely works. You guys are using flashlight to fix a broken chair.

Political junkies often have a "world view" or holistic view of how they think the world should work. It doesn't matter if say the NDP implemented a policy on subsidized daycare and it was successful; if it doesn't fit within their view of how society should be run, then it's dismissed.

[MG1]

Most people care only about themselves, so I don't bother getting into politics anymore........ it's all about tits now.

Left or right wing? I say, Left or right tit. We all know women have one breast bigger than the other. OK, getting way off topic..............

Women in politics - all about the tits. Unless they are ugly as sin, like Carole James. She had to go. Eye sore.

Seriously, we need more good looking women in politics. Let's change this topic to hottest female politicians and post pics. There has to be a few out there.

[Hondaracer]

Left or right wing doesn't mean anythig anymore

You've got the party in power and the opposition, opposition oposes everything the party in power has to do/say regardless of the merit or benefits
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[Soundy]

Most people care only about themselves, so I don't bother getting into politics anymore........

This is a key problem, especially these days: everyone seems to have this definition of "democracy" as meaning "I get what **I** want, simply because I asked for it". Like the guy that phoned up Jill Bennet's show on NW Sunday morning and went off about Christy being the new Premier being a "slap in the face to democracy" and the "undemocratic process" used... well guess what, that process was chosen DEMOCRATICALLY by the entire party, and she was chosen DEMOCRATICALLY via that process.

Same goes (getting off on a bit of a rant here) for The Zalm and his Anti-HST crusade: after much ballyhoo, backed up by a lot of hand-wringing, disinformation and a few outright lies, he gets a whopping, what, 17%? of registered voters to sign his petition... then when the Liberals don't instantly respond to that by stopping the HST implementation (keep in mind, this was all before the change-over), he starts crying to anyone who'll listen about how the Liberals are "an affront to democracy", and "the people have spoken and they're not listening!" and so forth... hey, Bill? 17% have spoken... the other 83% either want the opposite, or just don't give a fuck. If everything changed just because of your little 17%, THAT would be an affront to democracy.

Hell, even in a residential strata, you only need a 75% quorum to pass a major resolution...

it's all about tits now.
You mean it wasn't before? :D

Women in politics - all about the tits. Unless they are ugly as sin, like Carole James. She had to go. Eye sore.
Well, unless you're into Romulan chicks. Seriously, take a look at her sometime - she looks like a Romulan.

Seriously, we need more good looking women in politics. Let's change this topic to hottest female politicians and post pics. There has to be a few out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

Seriously, how f'n hot is this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rUyDhdZLna8/TSmu5zaG-rI/AAAAAAAAdv0/QIL5RGDv1h8/s1600/1288223953125.jpg

[Soundy]

Left or right wing doesn't mean anythig anymore

You've got the party in power and the opposition, opposition oposes everything the party in power has to do/say regardless of the merit or benefits
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This is what really drives me nuts, ESPECIALLY with Canadian politics: how often do the Opposition actually come up with some IDEAS or some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism? It seems their only mandate is to nit-pick and decry and, well... oppose. The ruling party could say they want to make it nice weather all the time, and the Opposition would spend the whole day finding problems with that. Fuck, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem - if you have a BETTER suggestion, then spill it; otherwise you're just generating greenhouse gases by flapping your jaw.

[Soundy]

For 89blkcivic: :troll:

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/obj/h4/f1/17-v3.jpg

[Glove]

I like how you guys are debating things that you have no control over what so ever, no matter what gets said here, nothing will change.

you will get ass raped no matter who is in power.

[stylez2k4]

Left or right wing doesn't mean anythig anymore

You've got the party in power and the opposition, opposition oposes everything the party in power has to do/say regardless of the merit or benefits
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This is not true. Both Liberal and Conservatives on the federal level are for the continued operation of Globalive.

[stylez2k4]

I like how you guys are debating things that you have no control over what so ever, no matter what gets said here, nothing will change.

you will get ass raped no matter who is in power.


Apparently you have no clue how democracy works.

[Glove]

Apparently you have no clue how democracy works.

lol,

the fact that you think we have a democracy and that our vote actually does something, means you have no clue how it works,

sure we can vote in who we want,

but what they do after we vote them in we cant control, they are free to as they see fit,

example = cambell, obama, actually hell, every politician thats ever come into power?

the fact you think you actually have a choice in any matter is funny.

[Jsunu]

lol,

the fact that you think we have a democracy and that our vote actually does something, means you have no clue how it works,

sure we can vote in who we want,

but what they do after we vote them in we cant control, they are free to as they see fit,

example = cambell, obama, actually hell, every politician thats ever come into power?

the fact you think you actually have a choice in any matter is funny.

That's a fairly pessimistic view you've got there. If that were the case we might has well become a autocratic state.

The fact is that we can enact change, especially in Canada. Don't like something? we can rally and garner support to make changes in the legislation etc.

Even hardcore regimes are now seeing the effects of public movement towards change of leadership (in Libyia, Egypt etc.).

If everyone where to except your worldview we might as well lay down and accept control as they see fit.

[Glove]

That's a fairly pessimistic view you've got there. If that were the case we might has well become a autocratic state.

The fact is that we can enact change, especially in Canada. Don't like something? we can rally and garner support to make changes in the legislation etc.

Even hardcore regimes are now seeing the effects of public movement towards change of leadership (in Libyia, Egypt etc.).

If everyone where to except your worldview we might as well lay down and accept control as they see fit.


we CAN do a lot of things,

we dont, the changes made by the government arent drastic enough to initiate action, they only change 1 thing at a time, very slowly, the more the public becomes accepting of the previous change, they move onto the next change, they arent stupid, the general public is very stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi6XV8yBFoU&feature=related

Dont get me wrong, I vote all the time, just because I can,

but it doesnt mean anything will come from my vote, and nothing comes of yours, you just like to believe something does,

im not that naive.

[carisear]

but what they do after we vote them in we cant control, they are free to as they see fit,



you seem like a smart enough guy -- so how can you not understand how representational gov't works?

you expect 33 million people to be able to run the country exactly how they individually see fit?

[Glove]

you seem like a smart enough guy -- so how can you not understand how representational gov't works?

you expect 33 million people to be able to run the country exactly how they individually see fit?

Campbell promised that he wouldn't sell or privatize BC Rail, then he got elected and sold BC Rail

He promised to keep the $8 minimum wage, then he lowered it to $6

he promised to not implement hst, he implemented it,

the list goes on,

that shit is not what we voted for,

they do what they want after their elected, fact.

it doesnt matter who you elect.

[darkfroggy]

lol,

the fact that you think we have a democracy and that our vote actually does something, means you have no clue how it works,

sure we can vote in who we want,

but what they do after we vote them in we cant control, they are free to as they see fit,

example = cambell, obama, actually hell, every politician thats ever come into power?

the fact you think you actually have a choice in any matter is funny.

Explain why Campbell resigned, if our voices didn't matter?

[darkfroggy]

Campbell promised that he wouldn't sell or privatize BC Rail, then he got elected and sold BC Rail

He promised to keep the $8 minimum wage, then he lowered it to $6

he promised to not implement hst, he implemented it,

the list goes on,

that shit is not what we voted for,

they do what they want after their elected, fact.

it doesnt matter who you elect.

Yet, he was still elected by British Columbians.

So, he must be doing something right.

Please remember that promises =/ reality. Getting things done takes a lot of fucking work at the government level.

It's easy to criticize when you're sitting in armchair without having to balance the interests of millions of British Columbians.

[stylez2k4]

Campbell promised that he wouldn't sell or privatize BC Rail, then he got elected and sold BC Rail

He promised to keep the $8 minimum wage, then he lowered it to $6

he promised to not implement hst, he implemented it,

the list goes on,

that shit is not what we voted for,

they do what they want after their elected, fact.

it doesnt matter who you elect.

And look where Campbell ended up you idiot

[Hondaracer]

not to mention all those people, Campbell etc. as are almost all head of political parties, are all basically figure heads of their party, they dont make the decisions that put them in those positions, it's the people behind the scenes, the people are either voted in by small constituent groups, or brought into the game as consultants/advisors

BTW Jufes, that George Carlin peice was used at the opening to a zeitgiest movie i believe :P

[MG1]

For 89blkcivic: :troll:

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/obj/h4/f1/17-v3.jpg

Kim Campbell = too white........ skin tone, that is. Need some serious tan..... but alas, she would turn into a lobster.

Bhutto, now she was hot......in her younger days.

[Jayhall]

Campbell promised that he wouldn't sell or privatize BC Rail, then he got elected and sold BC Rail

He promised to keep the $8 minimum wage, then he lowered it to $6

he promised to not implement hst, he implemented it,

the list goes on,

that shit is not what we voted for,

they do what they want after their elected, fact.

it doesnt matter who you elect.

hit the nail on the head with a hammer here. So what he ended up resigning, he still fucked us.

Explain why Campbell resigned, if our voices didn't matter?
"But wait, ohhh thats ok because he resigned"?? Fuck you, that is dumb. Does murder become ok when the killer turns himself in?? Does Scamthony become a good person if he just admits that he stole Mikes money and has no intention of paying him back?? NO, the anwser is no. Seriously get fucking real and open your eyes.