[dboy]

Keyword: MIGHT

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/03/6179725-report-blackberry-messenger-coming-to-ios-and-android

Amazing news for folks with BlackBerry-obsessed friends: Research In Motion, the company behind those addicting devices, might be bringing its popular BlackBerry Messenger app over to Apple iOS and Android devices.

BGR reports that "multiple trusted sources" have shared details about RIM's plans to bring the "BBM experience" to third-party platforms:

As far as what Android and iOS users can look forward to, we’ve been told RIM will offer stripped down versions of the BBM experience BlackBerry owners know and love. That way, Android and iOS users can communicate with practically anyone who has a smartphone using BBM, but they might not be able to share photos, location, or videos (when RIM crosses that bridge). Users who want the full BlackBerry Messenger experience will still need a BlackBerry smartphone to get it.

For those unfamiliar with the reasons for BBM's cult-like following, it boils down to this: It's a solid Instant Messenger app which allows for the sending and receiving of messages of unlimited length, real-time confirmations that messages have been received and read, the ability to share media with multiple contacts at the same time, barcodes which can be scanned to add contact information, and more.

We can only imagine that there would be quite a few more folks who'd join the BBM cult if the currently BlackBerry-only app made its way to iOS and Android devices, but we'll see what happens.

[Drow]

Duno why they would do that... Ppl would have less reason to buy bb's
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[6insomnia9]

That makes me wanna drop my 9780 and get a andriod.

[Jsunu]

Duno why they would do that... Ppl would have less reason to buy bb's
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Lol I have a feeling that a ton of people will switch to iphone/android because they are no longer going to be attached to their BBM on their BB devices.

[Culverin]

Isn't this kinda the position IBM was in?

Market leader and a choke hold on the business end.
But they got out of that game and they are doing plenty well focusing on server tech and other R&D.

If RIM has figured out that they can't play the game with all the cheaper androids out there, then they could conceivably evolve their market into phone tech and business uses rather than trying to build a good piece of hardware.

[LsquareD]

Lol I have a feeling that a ton of people will switch to iphone/android because they are no longer going to be attached to their BBM on their BB devices.

+1

Only reason I can't ditch the berry cause of BBM. If this goes through.. See ya Blackberry!

[lol]

I just can't see this happening.

[MTV Cribs]

I hope this happens soon. I hate carrying both an iPhone and blackberry around.
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[!Aznboi128]

the article mentioned it'll be stripped down version, so I would say don't be so excited as it could be only single messages no pictures no videos no chats.... which sucks

[A-Dev]

easily do-able.

I believe RIM should jump on this right away. It could be a massive cash cow for them.

Take every IOS and android platform out there and times that by a BBM app which should sell in or around $49.99. (at that price it should be a complete BBM experience, I do admit)

For 50 dollars there aren't many people that would pass on that due to their BBM addiction.

[dub.g]

the only reason i really miss bbm was it was soo easy to pick up girls with it, i know more girls at clubs, school and work that uses bb than any other smartphones

[!Yaminashi]

the only reason i really miss bbm was it was soo easy to pick up girls with it

Seriously....?

I dont get how you guys can "pick up" girls on bbm, its still so impersonal..

Anyway the only reason I'd miss bbm is because literally all of my friends have a berry. If I could get on an iphone with bbm, :fuckyea:

[willystyle]

This would be a smart move for BBM, considering that they are not in the position to effectively compete with iOS and Android at the moment. Also with the emergence of WM7 + Nokia, it makes sense that RIM should consider evolving to the software R&D side and slowly move away from the hardware side.

[cliffhanger33]

thats pretty sick, always wanted bbm on my iphone =), now iphone will be pretty decked out lOL , i doubt it will go down tho

[Durrann]

Can't see this happening

Mostly guys who have iPhones
And ladies with bb
That's what I notice
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[Durrann]

the only reason i really miss bbm was it was soo easy to pick up girls with it, i know more girls at clubs, school and work that uses bb than any other smartphones

Do u see any of these girls after getting their bb?
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[StylinRed]

With the arrival of Nokias "QT" it opened up the ball game for cross platform apps/features without having to totally recode apps etc (already works with symbian/meego/webOS/Android)

so its no surprise that we'll be seeing a move in that direction down the road from everybody

[Preemo]

Duno why they would do that... Ppl would have less reason to buy bb's
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Not entirely true. People still love the physical keyboard.

[Razor Ramon HG]

It's a great idea until you think about battery life on the iPhone, and the loss of a physical keyboard.

[!Aznboi128]

easily do-able.

I believe RIM should jump on this right away. It could be a massive cash cow for them.

Take every IOS and android platform out there and times that by a BBM app which should sell in or around $49.99. (at that price it should be a complete BBM experience, I do admit)

For 50 dollars there aren't many people that would pass on that due to their BBM addiction.
Fact is everyone knows there's ways to get free apps in both iOS and android thus rim will not make a penny. Why would they do this?

[A-Dev]

^^

Very true. but would you be able too. each purchased application would have to have an accompanying BBM PIN that is registered on RIM's servers.

[ajax]

^^

Very true. but would you be able too. each purchased application would have to have an accompanying BBM PIN that is registered on RIM's servers.

That probably won't be an option as the data won't end up being transferred through RIM's servers like it does on a BB. It'll be over and through your provider.

[Teh Doucher]

the article mentioned it'll be stripped down version, so I would say don't be so excited as it could be only single messages no pictures no videos no chats.... which sucks

yup, all those things are what makes bbm amazing.

It's a great idea until you think about battery life on the iPhone, and the loss of a physical keyboard.

i couldnt even get an entire day from one charge on my iphone. because of the sync in my truck, i like to leave my bluetooth on all the time and on the iphone it keeps constantly searching when its not connected, so its a HUGE drain on the battery. the blackberry on the other hand isnt always searching and i get 2 days of usage from one battery charge.

[baggdis300]

i was able to get 1 day with music/data usage...

any more then that was when i barely used it it would last 2 days max

battery life improved as i updated the OS

[Gh0stRider]

hope this happens. i wanna throw my bb out the window

[Culverin]

I know 4 very hardcore blackberry users.

1 has switched to android.
1 has switched to iphone because he's not got a gf who "made him".
The other 2 are just waiting out their contracts and will be jumping to android.


I don't think anybody outside of the business community is like "zomg. i want a blackberry" anymore. It just doesn't happen.
Despite blackberry falling about a year behind in the tech curve, the people at RIM aren't stupid. They are going to hedge their bets to stop the hemorrhaging. You can see the stats. Out of smartphone market share, RIM went from #1, to #2 behind the iphone, now that android has saturated the market, they have slipped to #3. And if it wasn't for companies that bought their employees blackberries, they wouldn't even be on the radar anymore.

[kayceeee]

I don't even care about bbm anymore..sometimes I use whatsapp more than bbm on my berry..the only reason I'm still using my berry is cuz I'm stil waiting for them to release at&t/rogers version of the nexus s but once that's released then I'm leaving my berry
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[Greenstoner]

i dont like berry

i hate bbm ... although my freinds are on it

i dont mind txt msg but i just hate bbm

my work phone and personal phone are both berry

im planning to switch to android

although most of my friends are using bbm

[GLOW]

this sort of reminds me of ICQ

[syee]

That probably won't be an option as the data won't end up being transferred through RIM's servers like it does on a BB. It'll be over and through your provider.

They would be crazy not to have it routed through their servers. It's probably their ONLY way to control how the app is used.

I'm pretty sure that RIM is well aware of the rampant piracy that goes on with the iOS and Android platform application. Routing it through their servers would likely be their only way to keep tabs on how it's used. If they don't then they might as well just give out the full feature set of BBM and also their mainstream consumer (i.e. non business) customer base to their competitors since BBM is possibly the only reason mainstream users are using a Blackberry.

[ajax]

They would be crazy not to have it routed through their servers. It's probably their ONLY way to control how the app is used.

I'm pretty sure that RIM is well aware of the rampant piracy that goes on with the iOS and Android platform application. Routing it through their servers would likely be their only way to keep tabs on how it's used. If they don't then they might as well just give out the full feature set of BBM and also their mainstream consumer (i.e. non business) customer base to their competitors since BBM is possibly the only reason mainstream users are using a Blackberry.

I'm not 100% sure but non-bb phones may not be able to communicate with the bis servers.

[!LittleDragon]

I'm not 100% sure but non-bb phones may not be able to communicate with the bis servers.

Years ago, Rim had a blackberry client for windows mobile and it went through their serves.

[cliffhanger33]

Years ago, Rim had a blackberry client for windows mobile and it went through their serves.

it was called BlackberryConnect or something. It worked for Nokia too , I forgot the details

[Alatar]

I'd actually consider parting with my blackberry if this came to fruition. I will say this though. I do enjoy having an actual keyboard as opposed to having to tap tap tap a screen.

[willystyle]

^ Get a HTC Desire Z?

It has touchscreen and a keyboard.. best of both worlds?

Honestly, Android, iOS, and WM7 is the way to go, and this is coming from a Blackberry user.

[Preemo]

^ Get a HTC Desire Z?

It has touchscreen and a keyboard.. best of both worlds?

Honestly, Android, iOS, and WM7 is the way to go, and this is coming from a Blackberry user.

The keyboard on the Desire Z is nowhere near as good as BB keyboard. Feels ... very awkward.

Also, on Android, depends on the onscreen keyboard you use that will totally effect your outlook on typing on a touchscreen.

For all you Android users out there, Smart Keyboard Pro is the most accurate keyboard I have used!!

[Lomac]

Maybe I'm missing something here, especially since I've never been a Blackberry user, but what's the difference between BBM and another phone using text messaging? Simply the theoretical need to not have a text plan?
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Maybe I'm missing something here, especially since I've never been a Blackberry user, but what's the difference between BBM and another phone using text messaging? Simply the theoretical need to not have a text plan?
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able to see if your message was successfully delivered
able to see if your message was read
ENCRYPTED (why you think all the gangstas use it? HAH)
international.

i dont get why ppl are so into bbm if all their bbm contacts live in the same area. or even country. dont most plans have country wide texting now?

I use bbm cuz half my contacts are in asia and europe.

i can talk bad shit with the people in china without worrying about the govt looking at what we're talking about, whether it be slandering the govt, hookers or blow. or whatever.

i can see if someone reads my msg and doesnt reply, and then i know they're a fucking douche. and they know that i know they're a fucking douche. hah.

thats the difference. oh i guess there's group chats if you're into that stuff.

[LiquidTurbo]

Maybe I'm missing something here, especially since I've never been a Blackberry user, but what's the difference between BBM and another phone using text messaging? Simply the theoretical need to not have a text plan?
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You don't have any friends that are BBM fanboys? Man, they answer your question all the time voluntarily..

[wasabisashimi]

able to see if your message was successfully delivered
able to see if your message was read
ENCRYPTED (why you think all the gangstas use it? HAH)
international.

i dont get why ppl are so into bbm if all their bbm contacts live in the same area. or even country. dont most plans have country wide texting now?

I use bbm cuz half my contacts are in asia and europe.

i can talk bad shit with the people in china without worrying about the govt looking at what we're talking about, whether it be slandering the govt, hookers or blow. or whatever.

i can see if someone reads my msg and doesnt reply, and then i know they're a fucking douche. and they know that i know they're a fucking douche. hah.

thats the difference. oh i guess there's group chats if you're into that stuff.

There is a way to view bbm message and pretend u never viewed it using the copy/paste trick
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[cliffhanger33]

able to see if your message was successfully delivered
able to see if your message was read
ENCRYPTED (why you think all the gangstas use it? HAH)
international.

i dont get why ppl are so into bbm if all their bbm contacts live in the same area. or even country. dont most plans have country wide texting now?

I use bbm cuz half my contacts are in asia and europe.

i can talk bad shit with the people in china without worrying about the govt looking at what we're talking about, whether it be slandering the govt, hookers or blow. or whatever.

i can see if someone reads my msg and doesnt reply, and then i know they're a fucking douche. and they know that i know they're a fucking douche. hah.

thats the difference. oh i guess there's group chats if you're into that stuff.

how can u tell they never read it? if its double checked it means they never read it? and if it becomes single checked, it means they read it? sorry never used bbm , i was trying to refer to whatsapp coz in whatsapp it does the double check marks and single check marks, i dont know what that means.

[syee]

how can u tell they never read it? if its double checked it means they never read it? and if it becomes single checked, it means they read it?

It has a different icon for delivered and read. I believe it's a check with a D for delivered and a check and an R if it's read.

[cliffhanger33]

It has a different icon for delivered and read. I believe it's a check with a D for delivered and a check and an R if it's read.

does whatsapp do anything similar to that? i dont get the single check and double check marks on it

[Hondaracer]

the majority of "gangster" who use BBM dont even realize the major factor of BBM is encryption lol

BBM is overrated and used by dumb broads who dont want to give their number out to people but dont mind adding another contact to their list

if BBM costs more for my plan on my iphone, or the app is like a $20 app, i wont be getting it.

[insomniac]

The keyboard on the Desire Z is nowhere near as good as BB keyboard. Feels ... very awkward.

Also, on Android, depends on the onscreen keyboard you use that will totally effect your outlook on typing on a touchscreen.

For all you Android users out there, Smart Keyboard Pro is the most accurate keyboard I have used!!

now way lol..
so much more grip and less typos on the desire z imo.
if youre a blackberry user you wont be used to the desire's keyboard because its almost twice as wide..

i can type faster using swipe with one finger on android than a bb user :troll:
im cereal.

[Culverin]

Exactly.

Lols, tap tap tap on a touch screen is for iphone users.

Android users just swype fingers across the screen for texting magic.
You don't even have to be accurate. It's pretty much like touch typing for me now, except it's just fingers patterns.

So. Fast.

[syee]

does whatsapp do anything similar to that? i dont get the single check and double check marks on it

No idea. I haven't used Whatsapp before.

[Vansterdam]

sweeeeet :fuckyea:

[willystyle]

It has a different icon for delivered and read. I believe it's a check with a D for delivered and a check and an R if it's read.

does whatsapp do anything similar to that? i dont get the single check and double check marks on it

Single checkmark means the message is sent to the server, double checkmark means the message is delivered to the user (The user may have or may not have read it).

WhatsApp does not have the capability to determine if the message has been read by the user, BBM can.

Also,

WhatsApp currently has a 5 user group chat limit which is lacking compared to BBM chat group (which is 30).

BBM group chat allows you to share pictures, calendar and notes with fellow members. Not sure if WhatsApp has that capability yet.

At the moment, BBM is far superior than WhatsApp, but lacks the multi-platform capability.

[Razor Ramon HG]

^

It's actually:
Checkmark = message sent to server
D = message sent
R = message read

[FerrariEnzo]

what if RIM gives the APP free but you have to pay to get a BBM Pin/number... that you can fake coz it needs to be registered on RIMs server...

[Meowjin]

BBM is awesome. It's the only reason I have a blackberry.

[Tapioca]

If RIM is going to focus on mobile tech, then they need to do more than just license BBM; they need to license the whole Blackberry Internet Service so that the rest of the world can get e-mails in real time.

It seems like e-mail is an anachronism to many here, but some of us older folks still use it.

[CP.AR]

^ I thought all phones nowadays can get e-mails in real time... at least on my Android phone I have hotmail + gmail + company mail configured to push.

[willystyle]

^

It's actually:
Checkmark = message sent to server
D = message sent
R = message read
There's no "D" and "R" for WhatsApp, only for BBM.

^ I thought all phones nowadays can get e-mails in real time... at least on my Android phone I have hotmail + gmail + company mail configured to push.
BIS delivers e-mails instantaneously to your blackberry the moment there's a new e-mail in your inbox, so it's real-time. Push notification checks your e-mail box at a predetermined time. For ex, every 5 or 10 min, however way you set it on your phone.

So no, push is not real-time.

[skholla]

Kik messenger does S (checkmark), D and R. Thats probably why they are getting sued by RIM. Check it out...

http://www.kik.com/

BIS is "push", it is instant delivery to your inbox. The alternative is "fetch", it will check on demand or at preset intervals (5, 15, 30, 60 mins).

Push mail is available on the iPhone using MS Exchange ActiveSync. When a message is sent to your email address it will appear in your iphone inbox and you will be notified immediately. To do so you must be using a MS Exchange email account (server 2003 or newer) or a Gmail account. Gmail can be setup using ActiveSync (do not setup your gmail account using the Gmail button on the iphone) and supports realtime/instant/"push" for email, calendar and contact syncing. Check it out...

http://images.apple.com/iphone/business/docs/iPhone_EAS.pdf

http://www.google.com/mobile/sync/

[willystyle]

Kik messenger does S (checkmark), D and R. Thats probably why they are getting sued by RIM. Check it out...

http://www.kik.com/

BIS is "push", it is instant delivery to your inbox. The alternative is "fetch", it will check on demand or at preset intervals (5, 15, 30, 60 mins).

Push mail is available on the iPhone using MS Exchange ActiveSync. When a message is sent to your email address it will appear in your iphone inbox and you will be notified immediately. To do so you must be using a MS Exchange email account (server 2003 or newer) or a Gmail account. Gmail can be setup using ActiveSync (do not setup your gmail account using the Gmail button on the iphone) and supports realtime/instant/"push" for email, calendar and contact syncing. Check it out...

http://images.apple.com/iphone/business/docs/iPhone_EAS.pdf

http://www.google.com/mobile/sync/
Thanks, got the 2 mixed up. :)

Yeah I heard about Kik being sued, thats why they couldn't implement the "R" and "D" into WhatsApp.

[skholla]

No worries. A new version of Kik was released today and it's pretty cool. The added group chat and picture attachments, also enhanced address book integration. Still can't send vid or choose pics from camera roll :( Also small things are missing like URL auto detection within chats.
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[willystyle]

^ What's the maximum number of users you can collaborate with kik's group chat?

[skholla]

Up to 10 people

[cliffhanger33]

Iuno you guys should try out LiveProfile , really new app, its out for android and iOS, and its coming out for BB soon. It has the D S and R symbol , uses Pins, and its 100% free LMFAO. It also does display pictures etc.

http://www.liveprofile.com/

[cliffhanger33]

Single checkmark means the message is sent to the server, double checkmark means the message is delivered to the user (The user may have or may not have read it).

WhatsApp does not have the capability to determine if the message has been read by the user, BBM can.

Also,

WhatsApp currently has a 5 user group chat limit which is lacking compared to BBM chat group (which is 30).

BBM group chat allows you to share pictures, calendar and notes with fellow members. Not sure if WhatsApp has that capability yet.

At the moment, BBM is far superior than WhatsApp, but lacks the multi-platform capability.
thx
and yes whatsapp can do the picture, voice notes, locations and videos sharing

[impulseX]

when i tried downloading whatsapp, i saw that there was some 1.99 charge after your first year or something, anyone know if thats true or not?
at the moment i'm using beluga cuz few of my buddies are iphone guys while i'm an android guy

[!Yaminashi]

when i tried downloading whatsapp, i saw that there was some 1.99 charge after your first year or something, anyone know if thats true or not?
at the moment i'm using beluga cuz few of my buddies are iphone guys while i'm an android guy

Yes its true, first year is free then you have to buy it

[Teh Doucher]

Yes its true, first year is free then you have to buy it

on blackberry and android i believe. in the app store its a one time fee of 99cents

[Eclypz]

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