[twitchyzero]

I know we already have a campus section and a little ironic since this is a car forum, but this will get most traffic.

Go to your SSC => WebVote and vote YES to keep our U-Pass.

We're currently paying $23.5/mo.

If you vote YES it will jump up to $30/mo and they will reissue one every month versus each semester. Apparently there wont be picture on the U-Pass but you have to keep a valid student ID.

If the AMS referendum doesn't pass there won't be U-Pass for UBC students. So unless everyone wants to drive to campus and pay ridiculous parking fees don't forget to vote by this friday, March 11th.

Just because the colleges and other "universities" wants in on the program...they should subsidize their own fees and not jeoprodize the schools that started the U-Pass:devil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w636a66XEaA

[Meowjin]

what type of bullshit elitism is that? Go fuck yourself. How about that one?

[wingies]

Fuck the u-pass. Mandatory costs for everyone who doesnt even use it? Instead of asking everyone to help subsidize the upass, why dont you help subsidize everyone for their parking pass?

[kyoshiro]

I graduate in May so doesnt affect me but no elitism please...
and as ^ said, yea subsidize my parking

[Jgresch]

I pay $180 each semester for the option of 3.5 hours worth of busing per day.... I'd rather keep the 180 and not have this silly option.

[breh]

Fuck the u-pass. Mandatory costs for everyone who doesnt even use it? Instead of asking everyone to help subsidize the upass, why dont you help subsidize everyone for their parking pass?

Parking would be even more expensive without the u-pass you fucking idiot.

[CP.AR]

I SEE MYSELF WAITING FOR THE BUS LAWLLLLLL 0:47 walking towards the 480 stop lololololol I remember that day when they had the sign behind the parked bus asking the drivers to do some vote and another bus pulled up and started screaming at the other driver

But yeah I'm not voting. Translink needs to really stop grabbing more money. They need to find ways to MAKE money, not take it

My Point: When our transit corporation has the power to impose taxes, you know it's fucked up


Parking would be even more expensive without the u-pass you fucking idiot.
No, it would be cheaper because Translink will collect more parking tax

[illicitstylz]

where do i go to vote no on this mandatory upass bullshit.

[Energy]

I hate how its mandatory for everyone. Majority of students take transit and there should be enough people who pay to use the service so they don't have to charge everyone. I'm fine with having a upass but the ideal solution for us is to make it optional. Then no one would complain.

I voted no and am not ashamed of it too.

[CP.AR]

1.5 hours by bus from my house or 30 minutes by car. (that's assuming that the 480 or 49 isn't full - which it always is during rush hours)
8 'o' clock class.

Tough decision

[Wongtouski]

Reason #3958640 why the U-Pass shouldn't exist.

I remember while I was still in UBC, during an intramural game I was trash talking a dude,

He said "I'll see you in the parking lot"
Me "Parking lot? You take the fucking bus, you should be thanking me for paying your fat ass to school"

He then stfu'd, LOL.

I'm obviously not proud of this today, but really, at the time you get really angry when people that never take the bus (for whatever reason legit or not), have to pay on top several hundred dollars just so other can do so. But hey, it's Canada baby, just have to take some of the shit with many of the good I suppose.l

[Euro7r]

Retarded or something. This is a car forum. Majority of us here owns car, most of us would rather drive if they could, than bus:fuckyea:. U-pass is a piece of shit, making me pay mandatory additional costs to my tuition.

[achiam]

I have something really crazy to add to this UPass hoopla.
YEARS ago when I went to UBC, I worked part time as a parking attendant.
Wanna know the real reason the U-Pass was brought in?
-UBC and SFU built lots of luxury condo towers, which brought them revenue through development fees etc.
-GVRD says that you can build them, but net vehicular traffic must not change.
-UPass encourages more students to bus in, therefore allowing for roughly zero change or even less vehicles travelling to campus.
-GVRD approves building permits, UBC/SFU get cash from luxury developments.

[AzNightmare]

I feel sorry for those that have to pay for it when they don't even use it.
I'm just glad I actually need it, otherwise I would be raging too.

[Nocardia]

what type of bullshit elitism is that? Go fuck yourself. How about that one?

I am by no means an english scholar, but how is this elitism? U-pass was approved by a majority vote in the past not by a few key people who schemed in back rooms. I would think this is more like socialized transport.

Fuck the u-pass. Mandatory costs for everyone who doesnt even use it?


Yeah fuck that. And while they are putting things in referendum, get rid of libraries because not everyone uses them. Fuck the firemen because clearly they are only for the select few and I'll be damned if I pay for healthcare for someone else's 70 year old grandparent, get them to pay for what they use.

While I understand your premise, examples are abundant for where that train of thought doesn't make sense. The fact is BC is a "green" province and universities are the intellectual landscape for the province and it is exactly where these things should be done to promote its image.

Nevertheless, I think it would be a great solution for those who have a parking pass on campus to "opt" out of the Upass program.

[Jgresch]

I am by no means an english scholar, but how is this elitism? U-pass was approved by a majority vote in the past not by a few key people who schemed in back rooms. I would think this is more like socialized transport.

Just because the colleges and other "universities" wants in on the program...they should subsidize their own fees and not jeoprodize the schools that started the U-Pass:devil:
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I think that was what he was referring to as elitism...

[cococly]

Over the 4 years at UBC, I have used the U-pass for less than 20times -_-...

I want my money back

[flagella]

Completely retarded how Upass is mandatory.

[Wongtouski]

Over the 4 years at UBC, I have used the U-pass for less than 20times -_-...

I want my money back

I'ma one up you and say that I used it ONCE, from the Sub to the Village during the first week of school as I was textbook hunting.

[bing]

30/month is like 100 bucks a term. just think of it as a rec fee or something
seriously, most of our tuition is subsidized by the government. other taxpayers who don't go to school and yet subsidize your education have far more of a right to bitch.

most of you wouldn't even be able to afford tuition if it was in the states without a scholarship. just be thankful.

too much bitching and whining in this thread /slitwrists

[slammer111]

^ Being a former UBC student and U-pass holder, this thing is only useful if you have easy access to a bus line. I admit it got me out of my car and into a bus when it came into effect, but that was because the bus station was a 5 minute walk away and I didn't need to switch lines.

For those who live superfar (for example going to SFU main campus but living in Richmond), this thing makes no sense from a financial or time standpoint.

And to the OP, you definitely have the best of intentions, but something tells me that posting on a CAR forum isn't the most efficient way of gaining support for that cause. ;)

While we're on this topic, anyone else up for tearing out those bike lanes downtown? :mad:

[Nlkko]

It should be optional. Making it mandatory is retarded. It has NOTHING to do with how much tuition we pay. The government subsidizes the tuition, NOT Translink and UBC.

It's pathetic the fags at AMS keep yelling U-Pass this U-Pass that. They're helping UBC making more money, like UBC haven't made enough money selling condos on endowment lands to rich Hongers already.

Do I want to wake up at 6, walk to the bus station in the rain and cold, wait for the third bus because the first two bus drivers just thought the bus was too full? And then wait another 40 minutes on the bus. Fuck that shit. AMS can take their U-Pass and shove it up their asses.

That being said. I think it'll pass, unfortunately.

[bing]

^ yes that might make sense from an individual point of view, but from an administration standpoint, it will be a headache to figure out who will opt out and who wouldn't and secondly, from the financial standpoint of the organization, translink can sort of figure out how much money will be coming in from these fees based on student enrollment so they can draw out their business plans.

OP's intention may have been good, but it went to shit because his language was condescending towards other schools. lost all credibility there.

[orange7]

you want ppl on a car forum to vote for buses? :rofl:

[Nlkko]

If Translink ever bother to up their security system and install automatic ticket gates like the world have been doing it for years instead of waste money on a bunch of pigs to nag people once in a while, they'd make a shit load of more money, the transit system would be better.

They'd also be able to let all post secondary students in the GVRD ride for free.

[RevRav]

translink can sort of figure out how much money will be coming in from these fees based on student enrollment so they can draw out their business plans.

business plans? or debt plan?

[Nlkko]

^ yes that might make sense from an individual point of view, but from an administration standpoint, it will be a headache to figure out who will opt out and who wouldn't and secondly, from the financial standpoint of the organization, translink can sort of figure out how much money will be coming in from these fees based on student enrollment so they can draw out their business plans.

OP's intention may have been good, but it went to shit because his language was condescending towards other schools. lost all credibility there.

I think that's a flawed argument. When the optional-UPass program starts running for a while, they'd have enough empirical data to do develop their business plan.

You've forgotten Translink aint in it to please students, they're in it to make money. And what's better way than teaming up with the school's alma mater to rip off the students? Propaganda BS.

[Meowjin]

30/month is like 100 bucks a term. just think of it as a rec fee or something
seriously, most of our tuition is subsidized by the government. other taxpayers who don't go to school and yet subsidize your education have far more of a right to bitch.

most of you wouldn't even be able to afford tuition if it was in the states without a scholarship. just be thankful.

too much bitching and whining in this thread /slitwrists

if your family makes less than 60k a year and you have the grades to get into the universities most universities WAVE tuition room and board.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/21/local/me-collegeaid21

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19226021

the endownments that some usa universities have is in the BILLIONS.

Either way your retarded. This is canada, we get taxed more than the states, we make less then the citizens in the states, and EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IN THE STATES. LIFE IS ALL RELATIVE. If you are poor YOU ARE POOR. Not only that university life on an american campus is something else. I've met alot of students that have gone to school in the states and here I'm fortunate enough to have 2 well paying jobs while going to school, but most students make 8 dollars an hour and recieve no support from loans or parents. I was at a tournament this weekend where people didn't participate because 20 dollars hurts their bank because they were trying to make school work.

You are royally fucked no matter where you go as a student, and in that matter I'd rather go to school in the states.

[bing]

^ that's interesting but is waving the entire tuition done at the majority of universities and colleges? Most of the schools in that study were top tier schools. but it also said,

Most USC students from families that earn less than $40,000 a year receive full tuition grants of more than $34,000 and use loans, jobs and family help to pay the other $15,000 in costs for a residential undergraduate, he said.

so i am under the impression there are many schools like this and also the fact that tuition could be well over 34k at other places. however, 15k is still a lot more than what we pay here.

[PiuYi]

i voted yes cuz i use that u-pass every day :)

[Meowjin]

^ that's interesting but is waving the entire tuition done at the majority of universities and colleges? Most of the schools in that study were top tier schools. but it also said,

Most USC students from families that earn less than $40,000 a year receive full tuition grants of more than $34,000 and use loans, jobs and family help to pay the other $15,000 in costs for a residential undergraduate, he said.

so i am under the impression there are many schools like this and also the fact that tuition could be well over 34k at other places. however, 15k is still a lot more than what we pay here.

Yes, but you are going to some of the best schools in the world. To put it into perspective my sister in law has a degree in Biosomething from USC. When she immigated up here after marrying one of my brothers, she found work in research with UBC (and mind you in the high 5 figures). She was competing against people who had masters in their science programs and with work experience. So sometimes a degree from a top tier university does matter.

[Meowjin]

i voted yes cuz i use that u-pass every day :)

Theres nothing wrong with that. Bus is cheaper. I wish I could get rid of my car, but it's too convenient.

[goo3]

If Translink ever bother to up their security system and install automatic ticket gates like the world have been doing it for years instead of waste money on a bunch of pigs to nag people once in a while, they'd make a shit load of more money, the transit system would be better.


The pigs are actually a bargain compared to installing gates.

[Meowjin]

And another fucking thing. If you guys are going to keep saying pigs because you know a few people that slang or you get busted for doing something illegal, never ever use the police service if you are ever robbed, in physical danger or in ever need of police support.

Seriously, we probably have one of the LEAST corrupt police forces IN THE WORLD.

fuck im full of rants today.

[bing]

I think that's a flawed argument. When the optional-UPass program starts running for a while, they'd have enough empirical data to do develop their business plan.

You've forgotten Translink aint in it to please students, they're in it to make money. And what's better way than teaming up with the school's alma mater to rip off the students? Propaganda BS.

did you read the newspaper today? well i did, and it said, you don't know what the fuck your talking about. The whole point of charging everyone was to subsidize u-passes so that everyone could get it for $30. If you made it optional, it probably wouldn't be $30 a pop. This is especially true if Translink was running at a loss already. It would be more "profitable" not to offer any u-pass at all.

btw if were gonna start bitching about $30/month for u-pass fees, might as well bring up rec fees (I've never been to the SFU gym), health benefits, student society and the rest of the list of fees you're forced to pay but mostly never use when you pay tuition.

[Fappin]

I wouldn't mind taking the bus if Translink wasn't retarded. I remember the Victoria bus came an hour late on the day I had to write a midterm. Ugh make it optional please

[impactX]

UP ASS. Nuff said.

[RacingMetro92]

The U-Pass is a way for students to get to school because they can't afford a car. $30 vs. Car+insurance+gas. My family not in the best financial situation, so even though the service is retarded, it still gets me to where I need to go.

[quasi]

Making people who don't use it pay for it seems dumb to me.

[Jsunu]

The problem trying to garner support here is that this is a CAR forum. Most people will never use the service and will be resentful that they have to pay irregardless.

But keep in mind this forum contains a skewed representation of the student body in Canadian universities and in fact a large portion of students use and gladly pay for subsidized transportation.

[will068]

The U-Pass is a way for students to get to school because they can't afford a car. $30 vs. Car+insurance+gas. My family not in the best financial situation, so even though the service is retarded, it still gets me to where I need to go.

When I attended SFU, I was rotating 4 jobs while I had a full course load. Taking the bus was not an option for me. The millennium line was still under construction, and translink did not have preferable routes for be to take taht would save me some time. It would take me 1 hour and 45 minutes if I took public transit each way. Having a beater car saved me time so I have enough time to make money and enough time to study.

Might as well have a Gas Pass where each student has to pay a fee per semester and get a discount card on gas of some sort. The more you use it, the more you save. It would work well if everyone drove to school. But they don't. Just like how the Upass does not work well since our public transportation system is not setup to be easily accessible for everyone.

The only way I would think the Upass would be fair for students is if our public transportation gets better. so everyone has better access. From my point of view, we're getting there...

[zonda_s]

Voted yes. From Richmond to UBC: driving > transit. Richmond to downtown for work: transit > driving.

[twitchyzero]

The only reason why UPass is cheap is because the entire student body subsidizes it. If everyone who drives opt-out, it wouldn't be any cheaper than a regular bus fare. If UPass didn't exist more people will drive to school, meaning parking lots will fill up by 8am every morning and do you really think they'll make parking cheaper just because more people are driving? Nope. But in the case of a mass transit program they'll keep it affordable even if it does increase a couple of dollars every 2nd year.

what type of bullshit elitism is that? Go fuck yourself. How about that one?

Try seeing it from a UBC student's perspective.

You bus in to school everyday because well let's face it, parking is too expensive. You are happy with paying $20/mo for transit even if the services suck cause it's still the more affordable option.

Langara started UPass year or two back..fine every post-secondary student deserves cheaper transit fare as long as they subsidize it as a whole student body. The ridership on that one line UBC/langara students share increases but they barely increased the service. So the bus to UBC is 2/3rd full with langara students and the driver doesn't stop for you..a little annoying but whatever, just wake up another 10 min earlier if you wanna get to school on time.

Now UBC may lose its UPass program just because EVERY post-secondary school in BC is trying to get in on the program? Why would that make any sense? The way I see it, if colleges wants in, I have no problem, but they should subsidize as an entire school/student body and shouldn't affect other schools. This is barely elitism, that last line in my initial post was just me finding it humorous they changed the name Upass = Universal Pass :lol
I have something really crazy to add to this UPass hoopla.
YEARS ago when I went to UBC, I worked part time as a parking attendant.
Wanna know the real reason the U-Pass was brought in?
-UBC and SFU built lots of luxury condo towers, which brought them revenue through development fees etc.
-GVRD says that you can build them, but net vehicular traffic must not change.
-UPass encourages more students to bus in, therefore allowing for roughly zero change or even less vehicles travelling to campus.
-GVRD approves building permits, UBC/SFU get cash from luxury developments.
Not saying I don't believe you, but you got any source? Any reasons why GVRD would want same amount of traffic going into each campus? You have to remember there are over 40k students at UBC, and if more people bus in it really does cut down on the carbon footprint.
I think the whole condo development is a double-edged sword. I'm not sure what the case is with SFU but at UBC tons of the cash from condos actually goes back to help students like scholarships. So those that want to keep their greenspace can pay higher tuition if they want.
30/month is like 100 bucks a term. just think of it as a rec fee or something



btw if were gonna start bitching about $30/month for u-pass fees, might as well bring up rec fees (I've never been to the SFU gym), health benefits, student society and the rest of the list of fees you're forced to pay but mostly never use when you pay tuition.

Exactly.
The majority of the students actually uses the Upass, unlike the athletic fee which is probably supporting less than 15% of the population (varsity teams not fees where every student can go workout for free). Athlectic fee is roughtly the same as Upass yet I see way more people bitch about subsidized transit versus subsidized athletic programs when the reality is most students take the bus.

I know there's quite a few frugal students that drive to school on here..c'mon fess up..how are you planning to drop your car at dunbar&41st or on 4th ave and planning to bus in if U-pass doesn't exist and you have to pay $500 a semester to park on campus? Clearly you can't rely on the 'Where can I park at UBC for free' thread for your entire 4 years here. Enjoy that parking tax on top of your HST tax! :fullofwin:

[twitchyzero]

Instead of asking everyone to help subsidize the upass, why dont you help subsidize everyone for their parking pass?
Um, because having a car as a university student is supposed to be a luxury? Nevermind, I don't expect the majority of the RS to understand. Half of you in school probably don't even pay your own tuition. I understand that transit may not be accessible for everyone, but that probably means you are living in the suburbs and the cost of operating a car alongside with expensive university parking should already been factored in. Hence why it wouldn't make sense to subsidze parking passes. If people really couldn't afford parking that is probably more expensive than the value of their beater, then maybe they should considering living on campus.

Regardless, I accept my fails in the initial post for trying to convey the message on a car forum...just thought I'd get the word out anyways. :woot2:

you get really angry when people that never take the bus (for whatever reason legit or not), have to pay on top several hundred dollars just so other can do so. l
Last time I checked it's hardly several hundred dollars.

[ruthless]

shit kwantlen wants 40$/month and 160$ a semester those bastards lol
but then again we have no where near the amount of students UBC/SFU does

I wonder what the results were of the kwantlen vote for the U-pass....i voted no since it has no benefit for me in any way (selfish i know :p)...

[anti_rice]

you guys are bitching about a $30 upass? The ones who can bitch are the people who used their own money to buy their car, pay for gas and insurance AND tuition. The people that have mommy and daddy pay for their cars have no right to bitch. wait till you guys come out of school and into the real world. See how much income tax you get deducted to give to homeless people on welfare. Working people pay for the ones who are too lazy to work. NOW THAT's something to bitch about.

[twitchyzero]

You've forgotten Translink aint in it to please students, they're in it to make money. And what's better way than teaming up with the school's alma mater to rip off the students? Propaganda BS.

I understand Translink has a broken business structure. But I don't see how 23,000 students paying at the regularly 120/mo will make them more money than 48,000 students paying at 30/mo.

Again, just basing this on UBC stats cause that's the one i'm familar with.

[dark0821]

if mommys and daddies are holding their kids asses thru university with a BMW or an Audi.. I highly doubt any of these kids will ever grow up to see the real world... they are in school for the degree and not the doors that opens to them when they get out... they have enough money to live off the rest of their lifes...

back to the point.. I do drive, but I also use the Upass everyday... to someone who anti_rice mentions... its hard enough to pay for tuition, gas and insurance.. thats why I am stuck in a 96 corolla who drives to the skytrain station everyday...

seriously people chill out, not everyone can afford to drive up the mtn everyday even IF the PARKING was free.. its like $9 worth of gas per DAY for me to drive up the mtn ...thats $180/mth ($720/semester) in gas alone if i decided to "drive" to school =.=

[Gee.Tee.Ar]

I have something really crazy to add to this UPass hoopla.
YEARS ago when I went to UBC, I worked part time as a parking attendant.
Wanna know the real reason the U-Pass was brought in?
-UBC and SFU built lots of luxury condo towers, which brought them revenue through development fees etc.
-GVRD says that you can build them, but net vehicular traffic must not change.
-UPass encourages more students to bus in, therefore allowing for roughly zero change or even less vehicles travelling to campus.
-GVRD approves building permits, UBC/SFU get cash from luxury developments.

MOTHER FCKERS!!!
Bulldoze the condos and turn them into parking lots instead. The majority of the owners aren't even ubc students just rich mainlanders. And build some hospices so they won't come back. Don't know why they turned the campus into a residential area guess it makes lots of money at the expense of the students.

[dachinesedude]

can't you guys just opt out? i know for SFU, if your transit time is more that 1.75hrs and you can prove it, you can get reimbursed

i was 1.75hrs away from SFU like a few years ago, then canada line got built, transit time went down to 1.5hrs, no more reimbursment, fucking skytrain

[Oleophobic]

can't you guys just opt out? i know for SFU, if your transit time is more that 1.75hrs and you can prove it, you can get reimbursed

i was 1.75hrs away from SFU like a few years ago, then canada line got built, transit time went down to 1.5hrs, no more reimbursment, fucking skytrain

fucking canada line :p

what I wish is for a way to opt out of the student health plan...as it stands you can only opt out if you have alternate coverage that is at least equivalent (I think?) to the health plan
fuck

[Jgresch]

can't you guys just opt out? i know for SFU, if your transit time is more that 1.75hrs and you can prove it, you can get reimbursed

i was 1.75hrs away from SFU like a few years ago, then canada line got built, transit time went down to 1.5hrs, no more reimbursment, fucking skytrain

I tried to opt out, but they state that everyday has to be longer than a 1.75 hour trip each way. One of the days in the morning for me was just under 1.75 hours so I didn't qualify lol
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[will068]

can't you guys just opt out? i know for SFU, if your transit time is more that 1.75hrs and you can prove it, you can get reimbursed

i was 1.75hrs away from SFU like a few years ago, then canada line got built, transit time went down to 1.5hrs, no more reimbursment, fucking skytrain


Didn't know you could reimburse. I just sold my UPass in RS. It helped me a lot as broke college student back in the day. :fullofwin::fullofwin::fullofwin:

[hk20000]

I'm so glad I have graduated.

Also I would vote yes for you if there is a rapid train line from downtown back to campus central - but it is not to be.

[Nlkko]

I think the whole condo development is a double-edged sword. I'm not sure what the case is with SFU but at UBC tons of the cash from condos actually goes back to help students like scholarships. So those that want to keep their greenspace can pay higher tuition if they want.


Typical dose of bs that the AMS feed to the student. Tell me how many scholarships or bursaries are supported by the non-institutional development part of the endowment (or better yet, the annual value disbursed). Has any of the housing revenue actually gone into scholarships and bursaries, or has it just gone to CFI matching funds and the Barber Library?

Back in October 10', there was even a proposal by UBC to sell a large chunk of endowment lands to commercial housing developers--meaning zero of the money would be used to subsidize student housing.

I have no doubt the U-Pass will go through because people rather pay 30% increased in fees than a 400% increase. But why don't you people who blindly vote YES on everything ask yourself why would you have to pay shit tons of money on passes and fees while UBC are standing on mountains of gold from selling condos.

You want an example of how corrupted some big names of UBC are? Look at the clowns from Sauder (I'm not even gonna say Dean Dan since some fan boys might get butthurt). They sit on 25 million cash reserve yet levied 2 million on student tuition fees to pay for the Henry Angus building renovation project (phase 3 or 4 involving "gold-plating" staff office) by threatening loss of credibility and accessibility to the business career center.

There's a lot of shady business by UBC that you don't know of. Don't even lecture me about reading the fucking news.

[Wongtouski]

Typical dose of bs that the AMS feed to the student. Tell me how many scholarships or bursaries are supported by the non-institutional development part of the endowment (or better yet, the annual value disbursed). Has any of the housing revenue actually gone into scholarships and bursaries, or has it just gone to CFI matching funds and the Barber Library?

Back in October 10', there was even a proposal by UBC to sell a large chunk of endowment lands to commercial housing developers--meaning zero of the money would be used to subsidize student housing.

I have no doubt the U-Pass will go through because people rather pay 30% increased in fees than a 400% increase. But why don't you people who blindly vote YES on everything ask yourself why would you have to pay shit tons of money on passes and fees while UBC are standing on mountains of gold from selling condos.

You want an example of how corrupted some big names of UBC are? Look at the clowns from Sauder (I'm not even gonna say Dean Dan since some fan boys might get butthurt). They sit on 25 million cash reserve yet levied 2 million on student tuition fees to pay for the Henry Angus building renovation project (phase 3 or 4 involving "gold-plating" staff office) by threatening loss of credibility and accessibility to the business career center.

There's a lot of shady business by UBC that you don't know of. Don't even lecture me about reading the fucking news.

I've been removed from UBC for several years now, but I feel your sentiment as well.

UBC is just like any other business, they're out to make money. Sure they'll say they will up the amt of scholarships, but a quick scan of the room in my old t-log classes will yield at least half of the class being international students from China, Mexico and the like.

While many of you who are in Science actually can see the physical improvements of your facilities, we at Henry Angus never got to reap the "benefits" of a new building that to my understanding is still not finished (gotta ask my sis). The worst part? I was a year or two removed from grad, and they had the audacity to get a student to call me, posing as a fake mentoring program thing and ask me a bunch of shit about courses, wasted half an hour of my life THEN leading to a donation sales pitch. They wont even give you any type of info unless you paid them 100 bucks minimum or something.

[Meowjin]

My friend who works the finance department at ubc says about 50-75% of scholarships go unaccounted for.

[acurael]

Scew u, UBC, and that U-pass garbage. I graduated from that shithole like 7 yrs ago. I rmb paying for that U pass even though I took my car to school. Then on top of that paid ridiculous parking fees to pay to park in a gravel lot on the other side of campus.
How much does a yearly parking pass cost now ? A grand ? It was like 600 when I went.
If you choose to pay for the bus then pay for it yourself. If someone chooses to drive they pay for themselves. If you can't afford to take the bus then get a job!
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[TheKingdom2000]

everyone know's it's not fair that the upass is mandatory.
But, it is necessary? for everyone to subsidize the program so it's so cheap.

I don't get it though, why not just charge the concession rate for all students in the program. ie. ubc, sfu, langara, etc.

Those who want the U-Pass should pay their fair share. Not pawn the cost off to other students.

So in reality, translink still get's at least $60/month per person using translink. $30 for the student that uses translink + $30 for the student that doesn't use the upass.

[bing]

^that does not make sense
how does translink get $60/person? you are saying, for every person that does use the u-pass, there is one person who does not. That would imply that ridership is 50% of the student population. I am pretty sure it isn't.

As well, there are other goals of the program such as people continuing to use transit well after they graduate.
“Not only will the U-Pass BC Program make transit more affordable for post secondary students, it will create a transit culture resulting in more people leaving their cars in the driveway, leading to less congestion and reduced greenhouse gas emissions,” said Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Shirley Bond.

http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/news_releases_2009-2013/2010PREM0119-000675.htm

[twitchyzero]

^ no wai..UBC is just scamming us! i couldn't find a job after my ubc degree..it was complete waste of my time so they must be evil cashgrabbers
DAMN i must get my $20/mo back cause I only used it for 5 minutes each day as a result of not being able afford parking at school..DAMN GRAVEL LOTS!

I've been removed from UBC for several years now, but I feel your sentiment as well.

UBC is just like any other business, they're out to make money. Sure they'll say they will up the amt of scholarships, but a quick scan of the room in my old t-log classes will yield at least half of the class being international students from China, Mexico and the like.

While many of you who are in Science actually can see the physical improvements of your facilities, we at Henry Angus never got to reap the "benefits" of a new building that to my understanding is still not finished (gotta ask my sis). The worst part? I was a year or two removed from grad, and they had the audacity to get a student to call me, posing as a fake mentoring program thing and ask me a bunch of shit about courses, wasted half an hour of my life THEN leading to a donation sales pitch. They wont even give you any type of info unless you paid them 100 bucks minimum or something.
removed? lolwut
sounds like someone forced you with a gun to do your post-secondary education.
and that note about international students..they pay the REAL price on the cost of a standard north american university education. As already mentioned us domestic students are paying for a subsidized amount. TBH I don't mind the international students on campus...you learn a lot from their way of life and it beats talking to a group of arrogant CBC Sauder kids.

[twitchyzero]

My friend who works the finance department at ubc says about 50-75% of scholarships go unaccounted for.

It's called an endowment fund...meaning the university never touch the cash that goes into the pot (principal). Only the interest that is accrued is given to the students..hence a fund that will never decrease in size and a gift that keep on giving..even in an economic recession.

Next, any more myths for me to debunk?

[Wongtouski]

^ no wai..UBC is just scamming us! i couldn't find a job after my ubc degree..it was complete waste of my time so they must be evil cashgrabbers
DAMN i must get my $20/mo back cause I only used it for 5 minutes each day as a result of not being able afford parking at school..DAMN GRAVEL LOTS!


removed? lolwut
sounds like someone forced you with a gun to do your post-secondary education.
and that note about international students..they pay the REAL price on the cost of a standard north american university education. As already mentioned us domestic students are paying for a subsidized amount. TBH I don't mind the international students on campus...you learn a lot from their way of life and it beats talking to a group of arrogant CBC Sauder kids.

I don't really care about the China ones, they're a lil annoying but most em are hardworking. But the Mexicans man? shieatttttt they dont do jack on projects.

And I'm mainly bashing Sauder, its retarded in many ways.

[Teriyaki]

I don't really care about the China ones, they're a lil annoying but most em are hardworking. But the Mexicans man? shieatttttt they dont do jack on projects.

And I'm mainly bashing Sauder, its retarded in many ways.

Lets not get started on Sauder Undergrads. Holy shit.

But +1 on international students, they put the perspective on how much education really costs. I was buddies with one, and we both had to re-take a course. I was out $700, he was out $2700. I was like dammmnnn...

[m!chael]

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[TheKingdom2000]

^that does not make sense
how does translink get $60/person? you are saying, for every person that does use the u-pass, there is one person who does not. That would imply that ridership is 50% of the student population. I am pretty sure it isn't.


Sorry, I didn't explain. But, you got the jist of it.
For every person that uses the upass there is at least one person that does not use it.
So translink would be getting at least $60/month.

Do you think the ratio of non users is higher or lower than 1person?

[Graeme S]

Sorry, I didn't explain. But, you got the jist of it.
For every person that uses the upass there is at least one person that does not use it.
So translink would be getting at least $60/month.

Do you think the ratio of non users is higher or lower than 1person?
It depends on how you look at it. Undoubtedly there are some people who use it yet don't commute to school with it.

Some of my coworkers drive quite frequently, but bus to work downtown (too expensive to park) or back home after a night of drinking (who wants to get impounded?). Once you have a upass, you'll be more likely to use transit.


Also: it is unfair that people who don't use a service have to pay for it. I haven't gone to the doctor in...a year? More? Yet I still pay my MSPs. Of course it's not exactly the same situation, but I'm paying for other people to go to the Doctor for free. It's still less than it would be on the whole.

[blee123]

Ppl who go to ubc and are against the u-pass should log in to their ssc and vote "no". If you don't vote, we may not win over the ppl in favour of it making it mandatory again.
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[Benz_05TSX]

Fuck the Upass. Biggest waste of money in my academic year... along with those insurance coverage.

[3klipze]

u-pass is so useless, cuz of this shitty translink system

I spend about 1.5hour one-way bussing up this stupid mountain on a crowded bus,

if the U-pass was optional, i would've spend that money getting myself gas and a parking pass,

[ilvtofu]

Lol U-pass is like a shitty groupon

[optiblue]

I started the original vote no campaign back in 2001 posting up flyers, but it still went through. In my opinion, if you take transit student or not, you shouldn't get other people who don't take transit to help pay for it. The current trend is GREEN and I have no doubt that it'll get passed again for all those worried it'll get taken away :P

[jackmeister]

All they had to do was:

1) allow parking pass holders to opt out of upass; and
2) roll in those fees into parking pass fees (for everyone)

Same amount of money, a lot less whining. I dont think people who can afford the parking pass will suddenly stop driving and take the bus. Well, if they do, they pay the upass fee.

[svelt]

When I was in school, I recall it always seemed to pass by a landslide victory. Pretty sure it's here to stay.

[krazynuck]

When I was in school, I recall it always seemed to pass by a landslide victory. Pretty sure it's here to stay.

i would predict 64% Yes and 36% No


but there should be a way to opt out if you buy a parking pass

[crazyazn]

i would predict 64% Yes and 36% No


but there should be a way to opt out if you buy a parking pass

GG 95% YES 5% NO

http://www.ams.ubc.ca/2011/03/ams-referendum-results/

[bing]

Sorry, I didn't explain. But, you got the jist of it.
For every person that uses the upass there is at least one person that does not use it.
So translink would be getting at least $60/month.

Do you think the ratio of non users is higher or lower than 1person?

I don't know what the ratio is, but from the way you put it i am assuming that you think translink makes more money this way.

[twitchyzero]

GG 95% YES 5% NO

http://www.ams.ubc.ca/2011/03/ams-referendum-results/

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__FIaozgXAJA/SnXYz_7ZJLI/AAAAAAAAAAw/A5l5raEaXnM/s1600/FEELS%2BGOOD%2BMAN%2BDOG%2BTEXT.jpg
thanks for those that voted.
I sense another wave of RS mass whining incoming

[3klipze]

^ i actually don't mind having the UPass, for those who can afford to drive and pay for the parking pass, it's their additional incentive,

but i just hate the translink system in Vancouver

[Spectre_Cdn]

:fuuuuu:Increase in AMS fees
So close!
Question 5: AMS Fees
- This question PASSES
- YES: 4522 (~52%)
- NO: 4136 (~48%)
:fuuuuu:

[krazynuck]

GG 95% YES 5% NO

http://www.ams.ubc.ca/2011/03/ams-referendum-results/

Wow way more than I thought...only 678 voted no haha
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[breh]

you learn a lot from their way of life and it beats talking to a group of arrogant CBC Sauder kids.

lol, Sauder undergrads must be the most hated group of students of any faculty in any school. Went to a party once and there were a bunch of UBC arts and science students talking about how douchey Sauder kids were.

I'm guessing it's cause they all think they're at Harvard even though they're really at UBC

[Nlkko]

^I'm a Sauder student and I agree with that. There's a very small portion of level-headed people to go with shit loads of stucked up wannabe businessmen jack-asses.

I also hated how they think they're somehow superior to other faculties, especially Arts, or even Engineering--I think Engineering kids are cooler to hang with

[blee123]

I am guessing that not a lot of ppl voted even tho they oppose the u-pass, cause how can 5% come about? It shud be way more from my assumptions.

GG 95% YES 5% NO

http://www.ams.ubc.ca/2011/03/ams-referendum-results/
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[akalic]

because students who drive don't care about things like this. they already pay atrocious amounts for gas and parking. I'm shocked to see how many people in this thread oppose public transit. it's really the only option for some people

[SeanJohn]

:fuuuuu:Increase in AMS fees
So close!
Question 5: AMS Fees
- This question PASSES
- YES: 4522 (~52%)
- NO: 4136 (~48%)
:fuuuuu:

Did you just blindly vote "NO" on this one? or did you actually take the time to read about it?

Because if you did then you would've seen that the increase was only $5 because there was a reduction in the amount paid for health insurance. The remaining money will be spread around to some worthwhile purposes.

I won't be a student long enough to use some of the new services and buildings that will be built with the "increase" in fees. I personally don't mind because someone that attended UBC at one point in time had to pay some of the fees that funded projects that made UBC Point Grey into the campus it is today. This is just another part of the cycle.

[m!chael]

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[SeanJohn]

^^^Don't be mad.

Maybe health premiums will go up in the future, maybe not. The level of benefits that you can get from the plan will be paid out accord to the premiums paid. Some people never take advantage of the plan and that's their fault.

Well, I suppose I'm as ignorant about what the projects the AMS will take on with some of the fees the same as you then, am I right? Safe Walk is just like the health plan--effective when people choose to use it. No one knows how many rapes it may have prevented and it's better to have it exist than to have someone you care about assaulted. There's no going back from that.

Never said that UBC is the most awesomest campus ever. It's just the biggest university in the region that I can afford and that has my program. Like I said, if someone back in the days successfully lobbied against fees then I might just be learning in a shack on the Endowment Lands. Good thing for me that didn't happen or else I'd be complaining about the lack of service, buildings, facilities, etc. that exist now but I'm not.

[crazyazn]

The reason only 5% opposed is because most people who drive don't know what the fuck is going on. They're just rich kids who don't give a shit about anything going on in school outside their classes.

Should have done this prior to the poll's end, but we should've taken those cards they give out promoting the U-Pass and stick it on the parking pass sensors at the gate. Then maybe we would get more than 5%...

[Spectre_Cdn]

Did you just blindly vote "NO" on this one? or did you actually take the time to read about it?

Because if you did then you would've seen that the increase was only $5 because there was a reduction in the amount paid for health insurance. The remaining money will be spread around to some worthwhile purposes.

I won't be a student long enough to use some of the new services and buildings that will be built with the "increase" in fees. I personally don't mind because someone that attended UBC at one point in time had to pay some of the fees that funded projects that made UBC Point Grey into the campus it is today. This is just another part of the cycle.

I guess 48% of those who voted also didn't bother to read the proposed changes? It doesn't take that much more time to read about the changes in fees, and then vote "No". Even after spending that one minute to read about the proposed changes, my vote remained the same. I've disliked paying fees for services that I don't use, for the last four years. The increase is only $5, but it's the principle; why can they not redistribute "their" money to funds with greater needs? Maybe the AMS can change the way they spend their money and prioritize their spending on whatever program needs the money most, instead of asking for more. They chose to lump all the proposed fee increases into a single vote instead of separating them; maybe if I could choose, then I would vote "Yes" towards fee increases for services that I support. Students could vote for services they support because they use them, and we would maybe see the services that really don't need that much additional funding.

For the 48% that voted "No" for the fee changes, some probably voted for the same reason that 5% voted "No" for the U-Pass; not wanting to pay for services they don't use. I understand some of the services probably would not exist without all students contributing through their AMS fees, but frankly, I have not used many of the services and therefore do not see the need to pay for them, let alone pay more for them. But either way, I expressed my opinion by voting "No", as did 48% of other voters, and at the end of the day, the $5 is not going to change my life; tuition fee increases and student loans on the other hand :whistle:

[SeanJohn]

I guess 48% of those who voted also didn't bother to read the proposed changes? It doesn't take that much more time to read about the changes in fees, and then vote "No". Even after spending that one minute to read about the proposed changes, my vote remained the same. I've disliked paying fees for services that I don't use, for the last four years. The increase is only $5, but it's the principle; why can they not redistribute "their" money to funds with greater needs? Maybe the AMS can change the way they spend their money and prioritize their spending on whatever program needs the money most, instead of asking for more. They chose to lump all the proposed fee increases into a single vote instead of separating them; maybe if I could choose, then I would vote "Yes" towards fee increases for services that I support. Students could vote for services they support because they use them, and we would maybe see the services that really don't need that much additional funding.

For the 48% that voted "No" for the fee changes, some probably voted for the same reason that 5% voted "No" for the U-Pass; not wanting to pay for services they don't use. I understand some of the services probably would not exist without all students contributing through their AMS fees, but frankly, I have not used many of the services and therefore do not see the need to pay for them, let alone pay more for them. But either way, I expressed my opinion by voting "No", as did 48% of other voters, and at the end of the day, the $5 is not going to change my life; tuition fee increases and student loans on the other hand :whistle:

Fair enough, I can respect that.

[m!chael]

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[Nlkko]

Like I said, if someone back in the days successfully lobbied against fees then I might just be learning in a shack on the Endowment Lands. Good thing for me that didn't happen or else I'd be complaining about the lack of service, buildings, facilities, etc. that exist now but I'm not.

Ignorant. You're seriously think buildings are built, renovated based on your little pathetic AMS fee? Please stop talking. The majority of funds upgrading your little "shack" in endowment lands come from UBC administration's fund raising and of course some rip off from student tuition fees (read: Henry Angus's renovation scandal).

Meanwhile, part of the AMS fees are used to funds service like $140 PER WALK. Is this a campus or a 5-star resort? To think that most of that amount is to pay administration who run the programs..

[twitchyzero]

Ignorant. You're seriously think buildings are built, renovated based on your little pathetic AMS fee? Please stop talking. The majority of funds upgrading your little "shack" in endowment lands come from UBC administration's fund raising and of course some rip off from student tuition fees (read: Henry Angus's renovation scandal).


actually majority will always almost be from our provincial government.

[Nlkko]

actually majority will always almost be from our provincial government.

No. The government don't (or shall I say don't always) contribute the majority of capital support for UBC to build or renovate its building. A large part of that comes from fund-raising. And that has nothing to do with the AMS fees.

[SeanJohn]

Ignorant. You're seriously think buildings are built, renovated based on your little pathetic AMS fee? Please stop talking. The majority of funds upgrading your little "shack" in endowment lands come from UBC administration's fund raising and of course some rip off from student tuition fees (read: Henry Angus's renovation scandal).

Meanwhile, part of the AMS fees are used to funds service like $140 PER WALK. Is this a campus or a 5-star resort? To think that most of that amount is to pay administration who run the programs..

That part of my post was meant to cover all fees: AMS, faculty-specific undergrad and miscellaneous fees taken on top of tuition. My fault for not specifying that.

Of course the majority of the funds for construction/renovations of buildings should be and is covered by the University, government, fundraising, private sector and private individual. With that there is no doubt. However, undergrad societies also take a small fee for construction or improvement of faculty buildings (ex. the new ESS/EUS building).

On a side note, I agree that $140 is a bit steep for one walk and there's gotta be a better way to administer the program--because it is an important program. Spending a little bit of cash to save one girl from getting raped is worth a little more than $140, don't you agree? If there is a more efficient and effective way to have more Walks with the same budget then I'm all for it.

Either way, both our positions are clear and there's probably no changing that. I'm satisfied with the variety, access and level of service I'm getting from UBC.

[twitchyzero]

No. The government don't (or shall I say don't always) contribute the majority of capital support for UBC to build or renovate its building. A large part of that comes from fund-raising. And that has nothing to do with the AMS fees.

I've done fundraising in the past including buildings the Angus reno, Law Building and even Pharmacy building...majority IS from the gov't..fundraising alone only makes up to roughly 30%

[|<e|_]

AMS biggest BS ever....vote my ass...they do want they want to regardless of vote...heck who knows if those numbers are even true...i did sub renewal research assignment and majority of the votes were against it but hellll they are still gonna do and is charging us increase amounts each year for sub renewal, i'm glad im gonna peace it after this year....

Screw the upass...been parking for free for four years...school monday - friday

thats right :2finger2: UBC!

[TRDood]

Reverse the question to - end the upass system? I bet results would be totally different.

In theory, it should yield tge same results, but in real life it doesn't.
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