[pure.life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkp4t5NYzVM

Daniel Craig, an English actor famous for his role as James Bond has decided to support equality by cross dressing in a video made by We Are Equals. The video sees Craig in a dramatic makeover as he puts himself in a woman’s shoes. The Englishman known for his subtle and suave personality in 007, looks ostensibly tame. He does not speak in the video as his boss, M (voiced by Dame Judi Dench), provides statistics about women in the workforce and their efforts to achieve true equality with men.

So do you guys believe that equality exists between men and women?

more info
http://bit.ly/h9XnAT

and

http://www.theprovince.com/entertainment/movie-guide/Bond+star+Craig+drag+Women+film/4401991/story.html

[choda]

Bitches aint shit if they aint in the kitchen cookin'

[TheNewGirl]

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership. :(

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women. And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business and when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

While the Canadian government touts it's great strides in our country having more women in managerial positions than most this is still only 35% and even in industries (retail, fashion, childcare, education) where women greatly outnumber men, men consistently outnumber women in managerial/leadership roles.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Are we equal? Yes. Are we treated as equal? No.

[2damaxmr2]

Cry more

[Wongtouski]

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

I highly doubt this is true, you don't see every other girl in highschool cry rape.

[BNR32_Coupe]

no we're not equals, men shell out trillions of dollars annually to designing their lives to impress women. there's billions of decent, lonely men because women are still bound by their primitive instincts of going for the flamboyant alpha males.

women know they can get cock easily by spreading their legs at a bar or club but men have to either be blessed naturally, or bust their nuts off trying to get to a higher level.

theres just two social norms here, women are dominant in the social life and men are dominant at work. that sounds damn equal to me

PS, thanks for ruining daniel craig for me. the guy's literally a tool for a dumb cause

[LiquidTurbo]

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership. :(

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women. And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business and when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

While the Canadian government touts it's great strides in our country having more women in managerial positions than most this is still only 35% and even in industries (retail, fashion, childcare, education) where women greatly outnumber men, men consistently outnumber women in managerial/leadership roles.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Are we equal? Yes. Are we treated as equal? No.

51% are suffer abuse? Haha WTF? :failed:

Here are some facts.

Women and men are:
Physiologically different
Psychologically different
Physically different.

Hence they are going to fit different niches in society. Women and men are different, and every time the world 'equal' is used, I cringe.

Yes women and men both deserving of all the basic needs of life, yes I agree. WOMEN HAVE ALL OF THAT ALREADY. However, but they are going to fulfill different niches in life.

You want to complain about women in the House of Commons? Who cares? Are you saying that we should have 50/50 women in the house of commons? Why not also whine about how in nursing there is only 4.5% men?

And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business and when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

And who's fault is that exactly? I didn't know that markers of exam papers looked at the sex of the student and then disproportionately grade it. Bottom line is, man or woman, if you have the grades... you can do anything in university.


Gender equality isn't even an issue in today's modern society IMO. I still stand by the fact that if you're a hardworking, smart, educated woman, you can do anything. Please give me some evidence otherwise.

[Manic!]

51% are suffer abuse? Haha WTF? :failed:

Here are some facts.
Men and Men are:
Physiologically different
Psychologically different
Physically different.


That's also true.

[LiquidTurbo]

That's also true.

http://captionsearch.com/pix/2rub7eoeem.jpg

Yes, that's why we have different men doing different things.

You don't see a 5' tall 110lb male in the NBA for example.

[TheNewGirl]

I so can't wait till all of you have daughters.

Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.

As for who's fault it is that there's more men going further in education... it's our parent's fault. They're more likely to suport their sons through post secondary but worse, they taught their sons they could be doctors. And indoctrinated their daughters with pretty princess bull shit that taught them to be spoiled little dolls.

And yes. 51%. So if you have female friends... you know the way some of you talk I'm not sure you even know what a female is but if you do have female friends and family members take a look around.

Half of them have been or will be raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.

You know. I could live with making 90 cents on the dollar if half the women in my life hadn't had to put up with that shit.

BRN32 > you have just demonstrated the exact bull shit justification used to continue to propagate the the above mentioned shit. Congradulations. You're part of the problem. You deserve to have your bank account raped by what ever gold digging bitches can get there and to never ever get laid while they're at if if that's your outlook on the other gender.

[BNR32_Coupe]

You deserve to have your bank account raped by what ever gold digging bitches can get there and to never ever get laid while they're at if if that's your outlook on the other gender.

um.. care to explain in more detail other than i've been propagating the the exact bullshit which warrants a misspelled 'congratulations'? if you elaborated a bit more on why you disagree with my opinion (which is more like an observation) then maybe we can discuss this in equal terms.

[Wongtouski]

Half of them have been raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.


Fuck off with this bullshit you twat.

[Noir]

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership. :(

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women. And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business and when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

While the Canadian government touts it's great strides in our country having more women in managerial positions than most this is still only 35% and even in industries (retail, fashion, childcare, education) where women greatly outnumber men, men consistently outnumber women in managerial/leadership roles.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Are we equal? Yes. Are we treated as equal? No.

I so can't wait till all of you have daughters.

Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.

As for who's fault it is that there's more men going further in education... it's our parent's fault. They're more likely to suport their sons through post secondary but worse, they taught their sons they could be doctors. And indoctrinated their daughters with pretty princess bull shit that taught them to be spoiled little dolls.

And yes. 51%. So if you have female friends... you know the way some of you talk I'm not sure you even know what a female is but if you do have female friends and family members take a look around.

Half of them have been or will be raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.

You know. I could live with making 90 cents on the dollar if half the women in my life hadn't had to put up with that shit.

BRN32 > you have just demonstrated the exact bull shit justification used to continue to propagate the the above mentioned shit. Congradulations. You're part of the problem. You deserve to have your bank account raped by what ever gold digging bitches can get there and to never ever get laid while they're at if if that's your outlook on the other gender.

:lol who's this sourpuss?

[Jacka]

Half of them have been or will be raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.


Jesus all the crazy girls come out on International Women Day. I spill my coffee all over keyboard reading that quote.

[Nightwalker]

Half of them have been or will be raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.

This is the part that I actually agree with you on and think is totally fucked. I can't seem to throw a stone without hitting someone who'd been raped.

I don't agree with anything else you posted, but I think most guys would be surprised. It's disgusting.

[darkfroggy]

I so can't wait till all of you have daughters.

Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.

As for who's fault it is that there's more men going further in education... it's our parent's fault. They're more likely to suport their sons through post secondary but worse, they taught their sons they could be doctors. And indoctrinated their daughters with pretty princess bull shit that taught them to be spoiled little dolls.

And yes. 51%. So if you have female friends... you know the way some of you talk I'm not sure you even know what a female is but if you do have female friends and family members take a look around.

Half of them have been or will be raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.

You know. I could live with making 90 cents on the dollar if half the women in my life hadn't had to put up with that shit.

BRN32 > you have just demonstrated the exact bull shit justification used to continue to propagate the the above mentioned shit. Congradulations. You're part of the problem. You deserve to have your bank account raped by what ever gold digging bitches can get there and to never ever get laid while they're at if if that's your outlook on the other gender.

You'll have to back that 51% figure up.

A random survey in Alcoholics Anonymous doesn't exactly count as painting an accurate picture.

Plus, sexual harassment is such a broad category. If I looked at you in a "pervy" way, that could be deemed sexual harassment. Saying "dat ass" to a girl could also constitute sexual harassment. Casually putting my arm on a girl could constitute sexual harassment.

Also, are you suggesting that there should be a 50-50 men to women ratio everywhere? Does that mean the fire department should consist of 50% females, and that nail manicuring salons should consist of 50% males?

Different jobs calls for different people.

And parents not letting their daughters go to post-secondary? WTF? This isn't 1940 anymore...

[Vansterdam]

pierce brosnan>daniel craig

[xyz123]

I gatta agree with liquid turbo, in terms of social equality, men and women are equal in a sense of education, voting, laws and even freedom of speech. The only problem I might see is pay, but then again with today’s society even a woman can become rich (just marry a rich guy divorce that shit and take half haha)
@TheNewGirl, Please don’t be bias because you are a girl, look at all views in this situation. I may be wrong but from reading your post I get the impression that you think that 51% of all incidents were from men. But what if they were from women? In addition with facts like these please post sources. From what I have quickly googled “Canada stats women abuse” I got this site
http://www.cdnwomen.org/EN/section05/3_5_1_1-violence_facts.html
Quite frankly, unless proven otherwise, I would speculate you got your information from this site, so yes people she is right. If you look at stats of women and men who have REPORTED being abused sexually, you can see women are by far in higher numbers.
Also note these sources:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2000000-eng.pdf
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0033m/85f0033m2008019-eng.pdf

I’m not trying to start anything, but if you had just posted sources, people wouldn’t rage on you due to your credibility. In addition, please don’t say shit like this “Half of them have been or will be raped, molested, seriously sexually harassed, beaten or abused in some way. Half of them. Go take a look at them. Your sister, your mother, your girl friend, your daughter. Half of them.
You know. I could live with making 90 cents on the dollar if half the women in my life hadn't had to put up with that shit.”
You may know people and i’m sorry for the things that had happened, but to fucking say shit like this is disrespectful, I might not know any better because I am of a very young age, but I could also say “You know. I could live with making 90 cents on the dollar if half the men and women in my life hadn’t have to put up with the shit which included being beaten, physically and emotionally abused, (can’t say sexually abused because they have never had such an incident happen, Thankfully.)” My point, don’t say this kind of shit just to prove a point. If you wanted to prove a point, do it with facts, because in this type of world (the world of the internet) you barely know these people and the only thing they will believe are sources.

Also for the males: hahaha
http://www.canlaw.com/rights/whokills.htm

[Manic!]

http://captionsearch.com/pix/2rub7eoeem.jpg

Yes, that's why we have different men doing different things.

You don't see a 5' tall 110lb male in the NBA for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5wBI98NXEE&feature=player_embedded

[TheKingdom2000]

I guess at the end of the day if you look at stats then yeah, woman and men do not seem equal.
But, like a lot of things in life, it's not what you know, it's who you know.

pierce brosnan>daniel craig

This is tough, because they're two different styles of bond.
I wouldn't necessarily say Pierce is better than Craig.

Craig just brings a new dynamic to the bond we knew.
I like them both.

[Noir]

I guess at the end of the day if you look at stats then yeah, woman and men do not seem equal.
But, like a lot of things in life, it's not what you know, it's who you know.



This is tough, because they're two different styles of bond.
I wouldn't necessarily say Pierce is better than Craig.

Craig just brings a new dynamic to the bond we knew.
I like them both.

Not a new dynamic, more like going back to the roots a la Sean Connery.

The metrosexual bond started with Roger Moore IMO and grew in each successor from Dalton to Brosnan.

[quasi]

So do you guys believe that equality exists between men and women?


Nope.

[Presto]

As much as people want it, equality will never exist.

[LiquidTurbo]

You can't have "equality" between apples and oranges.
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[TekDragon]

I so can't wait till all of you have daughters.

Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.

As for who's fault it is that there's more men going further in education... it's our parent's fault. They're more likely to suport their sons through post secondary but worse, they taught their sons they could be doctors. And indoctrinated their daughters with pretty princess bull shit that taught them to be spoiled little dolls.



That is such a load, I don't even know where to start. How about we have the people who are best suited for the job to do the job? There's no reason to say there MUST be this minority in this position. How about true equality, no one gets special treatment.

And as for our parent's fault? Perhaps, but how about the fact that an adult can make up their own mind as to what they want to do with their life? I'm glad that you are able to generalize so well and not see past statistics. You want things to change, good for you. Go ahead and drive change. Don't preach on an internet forum hoping for the best.

Lastly, complete bullshit that equality exists the way it does now. Equal rights for all, but some more equal than others. The number of women who I have met, deem themselves entitled to equality, yet demand to be treated like a princess? No, it doesn't work that way. You don't get it both ways. You get treated like everyone else if you want to be like everyone else. If you want to be treated all special like, expect some things to be different.

[LiquidTurbo]

That is such a load, I don't even know where to start. How about we have the people who are best suited for the job to do the job? There's no reason to say there MUST be this minority in this position. How about true equality, no one gets special treatment.

And as for our parent's fault? Perhaps, but how about the fact that an adult can make up their own mind as to what they want to do with their life?
I'm glad that you are able to generalize so well and not see past statistics. You want things to change, good for you. Go ahead and drive change. Don't preach on an internet forum hoping for the best.

Lastly, complete bullshit that equality exists the way it does now. Equal rights for all, but some more equal than others. The number of women who I have met, deem themselves entitled to equality, yet demand to be treated like a princess? No, it doesn't work that way. You don't get it both ways. You get treated like everyone else if you want to be like everyone else. If you want to be treated all special like, expect some things to be different.

EXACTLY.

[bing]

confused by the question
is it asking, should equality exist? or can it exist? or does it currently exist?

currently, there is not total equality, but i would say there has been progress made. The most common reason is pay inequity (a man and women could have the same qualifications and experience doing work of equal value, yet get paid differently) that stem from Victorian era ideology of men and women and also access to managerial and leadership positions (all the way from the supermarket to big organizations like world bank and imf)

[Death2Theft]

You are absolutely not equal. When was the last time a man was bed ridden due to period cramps? Or other "female" problems. Many women are unable to commit to showing to work 5-6 days a week every day, 48-50 weeks a year, 40+ years. It is not an accident that more men are CEOs or the president.
End result you dont show up to work as much as men. Why dont you go ask some men how often they have had to cover for a female that didn't show up for work and dont get paid extra to do so. Now go ask the question to women, see who does more covering without getting proper compensation. When was the last time a man showed up showing a little too much skin distracting the entire office, yet no one had the guts to say anything for fear of a sexual harrasment issue?

All women do is soak up grants for education and decide to quit when they find a man to pay the bills so they can pop out a kid. The reason women dont earn as much as men is simple. They dont work as much as men who are expected to work till the day they die. I feel sorry for anyone who has to depend on a female professional if she gets knocked up. Who knows when/if she will continue working?

I'm not saying all women are like this but if you dont think the majority of them going to school wont be making full use of that education then.. you need to pull your head out of your vagina.

Hope all you "educated" women out there enjoy it when you try to get married and find out all the guys with "lesser" educations wont be making as much. Of course there are the ones that dont need a man to raise a kid. In which case thanks for raising the next generation of criminals.

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership. :(

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women. And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business and when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

While the Canadian government touts it's great strides in our country having more women in managerial positions than most this is still only 35% and even in industries (retail, fashion, childcare, education) where women greatly outnumber men, men consistently outnumber women in managerial/leadership roles.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Are we equal? Yes. Are we treated as equal? No.

[Nightwalker]

Men/Women are absolutely EQUAL but different.

[LiquidTurbo]

Men/Women are absolutely EQUAL but different.

Define equal.

[bing]

You are absolutely not equal. When was the last time a man was bed ridden due to period cramps? Or other "female" problems. Many women are unable to commit to showing to work 5-6 days a week every day, 48-50 weeks a year, 40+ years. It is not an accident that more men are CEOs or the president.
End result you dont show up to work as much as men. Why dont you go ask some men how often they have had to cover for a female that didn't show up for work and dont get paid extra to do so. Now go ask the question to women, see who does more covering without getting proper compensation. When was the last time a man showed up showing a little too much skin distracting the entire office, yet no one had the guts to say anything for fear of a sexual harrasment issue?

All women do is soak up grants for education and decide to quit when they find a man to pay the bills so they can pop out a kid. The reason women dont earn as much as men is simple. They dont work as much as men who are expected to work till the day they die. I feel sorry for anyone who has to depend on a female professional if she gets knocked up. Who knows when/if she will continue working?

I'm not saying all women are like this but if you dont think the majority of them going to school wont be making full use of that education then.. you need to pull your head out of your vagina.

Hope all you "educated" women out there enjoy it when you try to get married and find out all the guys with "lesser" educations wont be making as much. Of course there are the ones that dont need a man to raise a kid. In which case thanks for raising the next generation of criminals.

do you know what a glass ceiling is? do you understand the term pay equity? pay equity is defined in terms of work of equal value. all factors the same and still less pay. there are a ton of studies out there on this and statistics that support this. it makes you look dumb when you spew comments out that are based on assumptions and stereotypes.

[Noir]

currently, there is not total equality, but i would say there has been progress made. The most common reason is pay inequity (a man and women could have the same qualifications and experience doing work of equal value, yet get paid differently) that stem from Victorian era ideology of men and women and also access to managerial and leadership positions (all the way from the supermarket to big organizations like world bank and imf)

Not even I think.

I'm sure you may find some isolated situations but I think in our society right now, this has long since been gone. Nowadays, if there are any discrepancies between pay for identical jobs, it really has more to do with other variables. ie:

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because they have been with the company longer and has been subject to more pay raises.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because that's what it took to poach said employee from another company.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee was able to negotiate a better agreement upon employement.

etc.

Hell, I've gone from McDonalds in my teenage years to corporate (insurance co.) and I've worked along women who were paid higher than their male counterparts. The kicker - they earned their way to top pay not because of their vagina but because they actually invested more in their craft.


Inequalities are going to be present everywhere and forever. It`s just not as narrow as what sexual organ you possess between your legs.

[LiquidTurbo]

do you know what a glass ceiling is? do you understand the term pay equity? pay equity is defined in terms of work of equal value. all factors the same and still less pay. there are a ton of studies out there on this and statistics that support this. it makes you look dumb when you spew comments out that are based on assumptions and stereotypes.

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

[Noizz]

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership. :(

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

Change takes time, to hold these high level positions requires credentials. It doesn't happen overnight. Turn the clock back 100 years, you won't find any women holding these positions. There aren't hundreds of women with the proper credentials piled up due because gender inequality.

It's more like gender inequality was a barrier for women to get their credentials. Now in the present day, this is no longer a problem, and once again, it takes time for this to happen for these women to get their credentials and apply for positions as such.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women.

There are more federal judges in Canada than 82....

BC alone has 94 federal judges excluding supernumeraries

A quick search of federal judges on bench as of March 2011 shows:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/772/femalejudges.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/femalejudges.jpg/)

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12/14 court of appeal judges in BC are female, which is 86%
37/85 supreme court judges in BC are female, which is 44%

Here's the link, look for yourself, maybe you should check it out since you are so akin with the matter:
http://www.fja.gc.ca/appointments-nominations/judges-juges-eng.html

And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business

There are no barriers for women to go into sciences, math, nor business. Half the students in my business classes are women.

Women are simply not interested in science and math, there is no barrier preventing them from seeking such degrees. Men like certain things, and women like certain things. I could say that men aren't treated equally because there are fewer male nurses vs. female nurses.

when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

I'm sorry... they go to men? You have to apply and get accepted to grad school, you don't get it handed to you.

Why might there be less women in grad school? Most women want kids, therefore they don't want to go to school for another X amount of years. They want to be married and have children.

But in this day in age it is quite common to see women going for more education, going to grad school, and postponing their marriages and children. Its a shitty deal, but's a biological matter.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Sources?

Yes gender inequality exists, but its better than it used to be.

[Culture_Vulture]

Women and men are:
Psychologically different

First, what?
There have been, and I mean quite literally, zero researches that have shown this to be conclusive. Most border on pseudoscience, while others are results of psychological fallacies and/or bad scientific practice. Don't buy into what psychology ass kissers tell you.

Gender equality isn't even an issue in today's modern society IMO. I still stand by the fact that if you're a hardworking, smart, educated woman, you can do anything. Please give me some evidence otherwise.
And, by "today's modern society", of course you mean American society.
Not many of you will know this, but today is international women's day, and the video IS geared towards women (and anybody else who associate themselves with the female gender/transgender).
True, while racism and sexism ISN'T the issue of concern these days (to be replaced by a more disturbing classism, if you will) in North America, it remains prominent in other parts of the world--you're missing the big picture here.

With regards to the rest of your post, I agree, as long as it's in the right context.


And, TheNewGirl, please don't push your mundane feminist agendas on REVScene. However much sense it might make to a feminist, it won't reach the rest of RS.

[Culture_Vulture]

Yes gender inequality exists, but its better than it used to be.

And that's good enough that we should stop trying?



And I get the feeling people are arguing over two different questions here.

All TheNewGirl said was that in theory we are equal, but not in practice, and (with a little bad presentation of quite possibly cooked-up statistics) you all jumped the gun.

You can look at statistics until the cows come home, but nobody is going to deny
a) Gender roles have evolved rapidly and drastically since suffrage,
b) It still has long ways to go, and
c) The mere fact that you can't call a nigger a "nigger" and a chug a "chug" on REVScene without being banned, yet moderators and regulars alike laugh at kitchen and sandwich jokes, means that no, men and women are not equal in practice. Not in Vancouver; not in Canada/North America; and definitely not around the globe.

[Manic!]

You are absolutely not equal. When was the last time a man was bed ridden due to period cramps? Or other "female" problems. Many women are unable to commit to showing to work 5-6 days a week every day, 48-50 weeks a year, 40+ years. It is not an accident that more men are CEOs or the president.
End result you dont show up to work as much as men.

And yet according to the United Nations, women do 2/3 of the world's work.

[bing]

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

that comment holds true if we focus only on low paid positions that both men and women can do. but what happens when it comes to advancement and managerial positions?

bingo how'd you know? it must be my imagination. that is why its still being mentioned in sociology courses. i guess people who have attained phd level education teach things based on air :confused:

[Manic!]

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

You understand this is international woman's day and just Canada woman's day right?

[Razor Ramon HG]

Fail attempt at feminism.

Now I want a sandwich. Guess who's making one for me? A girl :troll:

[Manic!]

Fail attempt at feminism.

Now I want a sandwich. Guess who's making one for me? A girl :troll:

That's nice of your mom.

[shawn79]

dennis rodman is a cross dresser

[Noizz]

And that's good enough that we should stop trying?

Never said that nor implied that, I'm just stating a fact.

All TheNewGirl said was that in theory we are equal, but not in practice, and (with a little bad presentation of quite possibly cooked-up statistics) you all jumped the gun.

Who jumped the gun??? When an egotistic person takes to stand such a bold claim, do you think the people in defense will take it lightly?

You can look at statistics until the cows come home, but nobody is going to deny
a) Gender roles have evolved rapidly and drastically since suffrage,
b) It still has long ways to go, and
c) The mere fact that you can't call a nigger a "nigger" and a chug a "chug" on REVScene without being banned, yet moderators and regulars alike laugh at kitchen and sandwich jokes, means that no, men and women are not equal in practice. Not in Vancouver; not in Canada/North America; and definitely not around the globe.

Then we need to stop making fun of c-lais wearing welding masks and Richmond people who can't drive. Thats racist.

All the sandwich and kitchen jokes are the same as, asians not being able to drive, or kfc and black people. Its mostly innocent and polite racism. We have a good laugh out of them, but by no means is the majority of the people who say such things explicitly bringing these views into fruition. They're stereotypes, and society will never be able to fully shed it off.

Any inequality be it gender, race, ethnicity, wealth, status has a long way to go, but like an asymptote, it will never reach 0. The best scenario would be to bring everything to it's highest level of equalness and thats what should be done.

But for the OP to make statements of gender inequality in Canada of all places is absurd. Yes it exists, we know that. Yes we should never stop fighting for women's rights. But if she were in any other country other than developed ones, she would know that Canada is working it's best for the interests of public.

[Culture_Vulture]

My quote of your post wasn't geared at you, but supposed to be rhetoric for all those people who think there's nothing wrong with our current egalitarian society.

The same people who read her post, then saw the number of FAILS she had, then proceeded to click the FAIL button themselves and come up with some nonsensical claims that include no merit whatsoever.

[Razor Ramon HG]

That's nice of your mom.

Well done.

[rsx]

Equality in pay and in professional work environments. That's about it.

[bing]

Not even I think.

I'm sure you may find some isolated situations but I think in our society right now, this has long since been gone. Nowadays, if there are any discrepancies between pay for identical jobs, it really has more to do with other variables. ie:

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because they have been with the company longer and has been subject to more pay raises.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because that's what it took to poach said employee from another company.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee was able to negotiate a better agreement upon employement.

etc.

Hell, I've gone from McDonalds in my teenage years to corporate (insurance co.) and I've worked along women who were paid higher than their male counterparts. The kicker - they earned their way to top pay not because of their vagina but because they actually invested more in their craft.


Inequalities are going to be present everywhere and forever. It`s just not as narrow as what sexual organ you possess between your legs.

no you're wrong, I am only comparing situations where those factors do not play a role. Ask any of the profs in the sociology department, they would disagree. Inequality does exist, and I think these issues will always exist on some level (same with racism, sexism, etc), but the whole point of this day is to bring more awareness so things can keep changing. It won't happen overnight.

[bing]

I highly doubt this is true, you don't see every other girl in highschool cry rape.

Reading comprehension fail.
It says very clearly that figure includes physical abuse, which I am going to assume is any sort of violence. Also it says after age 16, that pretty much counts the entire lifespan of the individual, probably why the percentage is so high.

[goo3]

that comment holds true if we focus only on low paid positions that both men and women can do. but what happens when it comes to advancement and managerial positions?

bingo how'd you know? it must be my imagination. that is why its still being mentioned in sociology courses. i guess people who have attained phd level education teach things based on air :confused:

For some faculties, the air gets really thin up in that ivory tower :fullofwin:

So how does what your prof is saying compare to what's being said in the business side? And how does that jibe with you? If you don't know, I think it'd be interesting to go take a look cuz this issue does affect them directly.

[LiquidTurbo]

You understand this is international woman's day and just Canada woman's day right?

Blame TheNewGirl, she made it all about women in Canada.

[Death2Theft]

There is no glass ceiling thats a load of crock a woman can earn just as much as a man *IF* she chooses to do so. By that I mean that she dedicates 40+ years of her life to her career and doesn't f off halfway to have kids or something. The career women are out there, and they arn't the ones bitching about pay. It's the ones that arn't as dedicated that can't figure it out. Do you really think there are no studies out there to prove that women call in sick more than men due to her period?
do you know what a glass ceiling is? do you understand the term pay equity? pay equity is defined in terms of work of equal value. all factors the same and still less pay. there are a ton of studies out there on this and statistics that support this. it makes you look dumb when you spew comments out that are based on assumptions and stereotypes.

[jasonturbo]

I've come to save this thread.

(Potentially nsfw material in spoiler,)Is this considered NSFW? I just posted it from my office? hahaha.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Z43Y9RnzU48/S71md0ag7zI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/RA4O02k6ckw/s1600/vb.jpg

Talk about being equal... from this angle she's clearly so much better than I will ever be.

[SkinnyPupp]

TheNewGirl = the load her mom should have swallowed

[Noir]

There is no glass ceiling thats a load of crock a woman can earn just as much as a man *IF* she chooses to do so. By that I mean that she dedicates 40+ years of her life to her career and doesn't f off halfway to have kids or something. The career women are out there, and they arn't the ones bitching about pay. It's the ones that arn't as dedicated that can't figure it out. Do you really think there are no studies out there to prove that women call in sick more than men due to her period?

Bingo. I've seen my fair share of high & mighty, and successful women and they're neither a rarity nor are they flukes of life.

Just like the race card, the gender card is getting old and like both, only a "certain" type of people like to play them.

[ajei]

007's gonna get so much pussy after this lol

[bing]

There is no glass ceiling thats a load of crock a woman can earn just as much as a man *IF* she chooses to do so. By that I mean that she dedicates 40+ years of her life to her career and doesn't f off halfway to have kids or something. The career women are out there, and they arn't the ones bitching about pay. It's the ones that arn't as dedicated that can't figure it out. Do you really think there are no studies out there to prove that women call in sick more than men due to her period?

I am talking specifically about when people are being hired, not when they've worked a job for some time and would have had the so-called opportunity to "call in sick" all year. Just curious, did you even go to university? and if you did, what did you major in? when I was doing all my business courses I didn't hear much on this topic, but when I started taking sociology classes, it was discussed in-depth. Can you provide a link to a study? I'm interested to find out more.

[TekDragon]

Then we need to stop making fun of c-lais wearing welding masks and Richmond people who can't drive. Thats racist.

No, that's fact.

[rien]

Fail attempt at feminism.

Now I want a sandwich. Guess who's making one for me? A girl :troll:

http://i54.tinypic.com/166hj4.jpg

[Big.Xero]

THATS A HUGE BITCH!

[Manic!]

TheNewGirl = the load her mom should have swallowed


So I guess some dribbled down your mothers chin.

http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true

[Noir]

I am talking specifically about when people are being hired, not when they've worked a job for some time and would have had the so-called opportunity to "call in sick" all year. Just curious, did you even go to university? and if you did, what did you major in? when I was doing all my business courses I didn't hear much on this topic, but when I started taking sociology classes, it was discussed in-depth. Can you provide a link to a study? I'm interested to find out more.

Sociology classes, great? How about taking the word of people who ARE out there in the industry and see things first hand. Education is great and all but a textbook/professor should not be the end-all-be-all of your learning.

It's true that the "old boys club" sentiment may still be present in some cases but in today's business the only sentiment that matters nowadays is "money talks" and that knows no gender; if a woman can bring in the dough better than a guy can.


Don't get caught up in TheNewGirl's woe is me (or women) crap.

[ilvtofu]

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

Actually its interesting you brought that up there are some other factors as to why women make less, studies show that women are less likely than men to ask for a raise, women also tend to be mothers/workers so they're not able to work the same amount of overtime that men can. That's a choice of the parents as an adult couple, no one says the woman has to be in that position in fact there are some men that are in that position.

Another interesting fact is that in movies women and men are actually paid pretty equally and the pay is more dependent on the budget of the movie and if a movie had a female star that celebrity would relatively make the same as if the movie had a male star. That being said there are probably a lot more male starred movies but again that's a decision that as adults people can make for themselves.

[Death2Theft]

I majored in "open your god damned eyes" and "common sense" men can't call in sick for periods because they dont have them.
I dont care about getting hired because that has no bearing on how far they will advance/stick with that career. I am talking about working in your chosen field till the day you die.
Of course you wouldn't hear much about this topic who do you think the main customers paying for the business courses are? Men? Phhht.
I hope you enjoy your degree because with your "street smarts" the best you'll do is a manager at mcdonalds.

Actually I"m taking down the study by the BBC regarding women affected by period pains. I'm not going to educate your dumbass for free. If you can't figure out this a gender disability that men dont suffer from then too bad.
I am talking specifically about when people are being hired, not when they've worked a job for some time and would have had the so-called opportunity to "call in sick" all year. Just curious, did you even go to university? and if you did, what did you major in? when I was doing all my business courses I didn't hear much on this topic, but when I started taking sociology classes, it was discussed in-depth. Can you provide a link to a study? I'm interested to find out more.

[bing]

I majored in "open your god damned eyes" and "common sense" men can't call in sick for periods because they dont have them.
I dont care about getting hired because that has no bearing on how far they will advance/stick with that career. I am talking about working in your chosen field till the day you die.
Of course you wouldn't hear much about this topic who do you think the main customers paying for the business courses are? Men? Phhht.
I hope you enjoy your degree because with your "street smarts" the best you'll do is a manager at mcdonalds.

Actually I"m taking down the study by the BBC regarding women affected by period pains. I'm not going to educate your dumbass for free. If you can't figure out this a gender disability that men dont suffer from then too bad.

which is the same as "i didn't go to school" but I think that the common sense I may have gives me credibility. yes it does matter, because why should they start at lower pay scales? what's the justification? i am simply pointing out that it does exist more commonly than you may want to acknowledge and not for the reasons you mentioned. im not asking you to educate me, im asking you to back up your facts.

yes that is the best i'll do in life.. keep the insults coming, feeling frustrated? #winning

[bing]

Sociology classes, great? How about taking the word of people who ARE out there in the industry and see things first hand. Education is great and all but a textbook/professor should not be the end-all-be-all of your learning.

It's true that the "old boys club" sentiment may still be present in some cases but in today's business the only sentiment that matters nowadays is "money talks" and that knows no gender; if a woman can bring in the dough better than a guy can.


Don't get caught up in TheNewGirl's woe is me (or women) crap.

no it won't be the only way i learn. im trying to stir healthy debate, and also play devils advocate, but some guys are getting butthurt *cough* deaf2theft

[Noir]

im not asking you to educate me, im asking you to back up your facts.

Nodoby's going to educate you nor give you paper stats. It's something you'll have to learn for yourself. You can take a professor's word for it; or TheNewGirl's word with her statistics but nothing beats seeing it for yourself. And that's what people are attesting to.

Many guys here have worked for female superiors/employers whether it be a corporate job or low end retail job (I have). Hell, when you get close to your 30's and have friends in marriages, you'll see that there are wives out there that make more money than their husbands.

If there's inequality or discrepancy within pay, the laziest POV is always the discrimination by sex or race.

edit: and I have to add again, these women aren't isolated situations nor are they flukes of life.

[EndLeSS8]

I have to agree with Death2theft regarding workplace.

At my old workplace, women would work very hard when they were on the probational period.

Within 6 weeks after they passed their probational period and was hired as full-time with benefits....

They got pregnant

And worked another 2 months before they went on maternity leave.


It happened at least 6 times within 4 years of my old workplace.

[goo3]

This thread sucks.

[Death2Theft]

Why would I be frustrated at someone so entertainingly stupid? It's like you asking me to give u stats on the rainfall in vancouver. Is it a simple search to find it? Yes, am I going to do it for you? No.
The little nugget of knowledge i'm willing to share with you is "Everyone is worth EXACTLY what they are being paid, if you feel your underpaid and you deserve better get off your lazy ass and do something about it"
which is the same as "i didn't go to school" but I think that the common sense I may have gives me credibility. yes it does matter, because why should they start at lower pay scales? what's the justification? i am simply pointing out that it does exist more commonly than you may want to acknowledge and not for the reasons you mentioned. im not asking you to educate me, im asking you to back up your facts.

yes that is the best i'll do in life.. keep the insults coming, feeling frustrated? #winning

[bloodmack]

We will never have gender equality. Women will and always have accepted it. Sure theres the few million out there who are complete dykes . In the end men will always be greater than women. Its not our fault your gods made it so. Referring to adam and even in particular.

[bing]

Nodoby's going to educate you nor give you paper stats. It's something you'll have to learn for yourself. You can take a professor's word for it; or TheNewGirl's word with her statistics but nothing beats seeing it for yourself. And that's what people are attesting to.

Many guys here have worked for female superiors/employers whether it be a corporate job or low end retail job (I have). Hell, when you get close to your 30's and have friends in marriages, you'll see that there are wives out there that make more money than their husbands.

If there's inequality or discrepancy within pay, the laziest POV is always the discrimination by sex or race.

edit: and I have to add again, these women aren't isolated situations nor are they flukes of life.

No, its called if he can provide the so-called study, I can critique it. Do you really think that I passed all my classes without learning how to do my own research? These studies are commonly misinterpreted by people who have no knowledge of research methods or because of confirmation bias, they seek information that proves pre-existing beliefs.

But your examples are not the comparison I am trying to make here. I have tons of highly educated (bach,masters,ivy league) successful females in my family who make more than most guys. I am discussing situations where either a male or a female have the exact same job with factors such as experience, education, and all other relevant characteristics taken into account that cannot explain certain wage gaps.

[bing]

We will never have gender equality. Women will and always have accepted it. Sure theres the few million out there who are complete dykes . In the end men will always be greater than women. Its not our fault your gods made it so. Referring to adam and even in particular.

typical patriarchal attitude combined with uneducated opinion.

Stay in school, folks.

[Death2Theft]

So despite asking for a study that shows womens shit can stink just as badly as mens, you have also managed to miss the all the posts i've made about "time spent working" or that when a woman works as hard as a man she can have his pay. Obviously most dont or we wouldn't have a next generation, of course you'd probally want a study for that too.
One of the funniest parts to me as to why there arn't any 100% female run companies that i'm aware of, or at least as many as 100% of men run companies on the fortune 500 is.... Women hate working for a female boss and would rather work for a male boss... Hmmmm think emotional stability might have anything to do with that? PMS hahha.

I can also tell you that women that devote a life time to their career just arn't as happy. Feel free to dispute these studies with all your education.

http://coachingtip.blogs.com/career_women_coaching/myths/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html

http://feministindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/women-less-happy-after-40-years-of.html

http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=296098

Clearly these career women are not desirable to the majority of men. Of course you'd want another study, thanks but no thanks it's way to easy to find them and you havn't changed anyones mind with your educated responses.
http://dontmarrycareerwomen.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/desperate-feminist-wives/


No, its called if he can provide the so-called study, I can critique it. Do you really think that I passed all my classes without learning how to do my own research? These studies are commonly misinterpreted by people who have no knowledge of research methods or because of confirmation bias, they seek information that proves pre-existing beliefs.

But your examples are not the comparison I am trying to make here. I have tons of highly educated (bach,masters,ivy league) successful females in my family who make more than most guys. I am discussing situations where either a male or a female have the exact same job with factors such as experience, education, and all other relevant characteristics taken into account that cannot explain certain wage gaps.

[BNR32_Coupe]

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss146/MetroidBob/Liberal-Douche-Garofalo-SEXISM-IS-W.jpg
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[El Bastardo]

@TheNewGirl


You came with the right message but executed it very, very poorly. Before you step up to the podium please come with more than just a laundry list of statistics you found in the Vancouver Sun.

The majority of your statements have been picked apart like buzzards on a corpse and you've left this thread to rot in your absence. Since you were the original advocate of women's rights in this thread I think its up to you to defend them. If I'm not mistaken, you're the only female to post in this thread period.

Its time to stop being TheNewGirl and be TheNewWoman. This is why women have a bad name. You can start the fight but you can't finish it.


One thing I wanted to point out as being exceptionally pedantic is this:


Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.



This is a democratic nation where we freely elect the proper candidates for the position. Women have had the right to vote in Canada since 1917. A voting ballot is perfectly equal. It doesn't show race, gender, or sexual orientation. It is a perfectly neutral representative of our collective thoughts about the future of this country.

You would have a people's choice undone as a result of what you perceive to be "inequality"? Perhaps you fail to consider that the elected representative, despite gender or racial background, was the right choice. If you're so "pro-equality" you should stop being ignorant to the choices being made around the country and realize that your peers may feel confident enough in their choices to elect someone despite the colour of their skin or the plumbing in their pants.

To assume that we're all children pointing at the colours of skin we like saying "Yeah, elect him" is pure ignorance.

[!SG]

are men and women equal? no

is that fair? nope

are both genders getting their due respect? yeah i think so. i dont see any of my female collegues any lesser than me, if anything, i respect them for their work duties, and how they managed to juggle it all.

nothing in the world is equal, nor is anything fair...

its life... we can only hope to achieve it.

in school, we have a choice, no pressure. my sis went into sciences, i went into finance.
if anything its got more to be with asian culture. im pressure sure i would have been "shadow kicked" to high heaven if it decided to go into art and finger painting, especially how shitty i am at it...



about the rape comment, maybe in a 3rd world country, or even Walley in surrey does that 51% comment apply, but i think if we go by region or even city/area, the numbers would be far significantly different.

[JD¹³]

Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.
True equality is giving the job to the best suitable applicant regardless of sex or race. In Canada we now have reverse racism and sexism where if you're white.... well you're not an ethnic minority so we don't have any open positions for you. Same goes for male vs female positions. And it's bullshit.

Women cry inequality only when it suits them.

[Nightwalker]

You can tell it's a male dominated thread where a persons worth is measured only in how much money they make or how high they can fly in their career.

What I was trying to say in my previous post is no two things are exactly alike. Equal rights and equal respect mean equality to me. IMHO men and women are equal, two sides to the same coin of humanity. Both are just as essential as the other. They have differences, but to me are absolutely equal.

There are places where this is not in practice, and people that don't see it the way I do. I realize this, but I do not agree with it.

There are women who do choose to go hard on their career and fly high. I don't see any reason why more couldn't (or wouldn't) as more and more woman pave the way for those that come after them. Our next premier may be a woman. That's something extremely difficult to achieve for anyone, if women were so inferior how do things like that happen?

There may never be a time when there are as many career oriented woman as there are men, which is understandable. Family is probably a much higher priority than career for many women. They're the sex that gives birth to children, and their body reminds them of it constantly. I have a hard time thinking that makes them inferior... I'd be in a pretty terrible place today if it weren't for my mother.

[Nightwalker]

True equality is giving the job to the best suitable applicant regardless of sex or race.

I absolutely agree with this.

[bing]

So despite asking for a study that shows womens shit can stink just as badly as mens, you have also managed to miss the all the posts i've made about "time spent working" or that when a woman works as hard as a man she can have his pay. Obviously most dont or we wouldn't have a next generation, of course you'd probally want a study for that too.
One of the funniest parts to me as to why there arn't any 100% female run companies that i'm aware of, or at least as many as 100% of men run companies on the fortune 500 is.... Women hate working for a female boss and would rather work for a male boss... Hmmmm think emotional stability might have anything to do with that? PMS hahha.

I can also tell you that women that devote a life time to their career just arn't as happy. Feel free to dispute these studies with all your education.

http://coachingtip.blogs.com/career_women_coaching/myths/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html

http://feministindia.blogspot.com/2009/05/women-less-happy-after-40-years-of.html

http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=296098

Clearly these career women are not desirable to the majority of men. Of course you'd want another study, thanks but no thanks it's way to easy to find them and you havn't changed anyones mind with your educated responses.
http://dontmarrycareerwomen.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/desperate-feminist-wives/

No i remember the issues you brought up, you went from talking about periods and non-commitment issues and now your talking about happiness (btw, the happiness thing could be argued for both men and women under a capitalist society, we have more things, but neither of us are happier). Your argument is everywhere and not focused. You really don't understand the term, "when all factors are the same".

anyway, when I saw the links, i lol'd. blogspot? a forum? really now? one of those articles, the stats do not even have any sources at all, you did the exact same thing as thenewgirl. Plus the guy is an executive coach who is trying to make money, that is his big motive. So much for reliable academic sources, that's the kind of shit a highschooler does to put together a paper :haha:

[Death2Theft]

Hey your still the one who can't see how many times i've said "if you work as hard as a man you get paid like a man"
Too bad working that hard doesn't make the average female all too happy. I could look for more respectable studies, but I already know the answer and so will the women in your family be it 10-20-30 years down the road.

[goo3]

True equality is giving the job to the best suitable applicant regardless of sex or race. In Canada we now have reverse racism and sexism where if you're white.... well you're not an ethnic minority so we don't have any open positions for you. Same goes for male vs female positions. And it's bullshit.

Women cry inequality only when it suits them.

Reverse discrimination's only a problem for govt jobs.. TV might give a different impression, but no law forces companies to do that in the private sector.

If you're a kid who gets molested or if you're a native who got fucked over by the govt way back when, you're a victim. If you don't have access to 5-10% of the jobs or spots in school for various unfair reasons because you are either:

1) white
2) not white
3) a man
4) a woman

You're not a victim. You're just crying.

[bing]

Hey your still the one who can't see how many times i've said "if you work as hard as a man you get paid like a man"
Too bad working that hard doesn't make the average female all too happy. I could look for more respectable studies, but I already know the answer and so will the women in your family be it 10-20-30 years down the road.

after i embarrassed you and made you look like an idiot, you're still posting.

[Death2Theft]

Riiight, not exactly like you have any stats to back up your arguement either. I'm so embarrased that I refuse to provide you a study that women call in sick more often than men due to periods because it's a waste of my time.
Once you graduate I hope you get into a hiring position and hire only women, I'll stick with men.
Enjoy.
http://www.virginia.edu/topnews/releases2006/20060301Wilcox_Nock_Study.html

[digitalgirl]

Fuck off with this bullshit you twat.

What the fuck?

What TheNewGirl said about sexual harassment is the truth. Sexual harassment may include "mere" words or glances but there are a lot more serious cases than those that you must not be aware of...

edit:
about the rape comment, maybe in a 3rd world country, or even Walley in surrey does that 51% comment apply, but i think if we go by region or even city/area, the numbers would be far significantly different.

:facepalm: so false.

[Death2Theft]

Easy solution stop hiring women if you dont want to deal with sexual harrasment lawsuits.

[JD¹³]

Reverse discrimination's only a problem for govt jobs.. TV might give a different impression, but no law forces companies to do that in the private sector.

If you're a kid who gets molested or if you're a native who got fucked over by the govt way back when, you're a victim. If you don't have access to 5-10% of the jobs or spots in school for various unfair reasons because you are either:

1) white
2) not white
3) a man
4) a woman

You're not a victim. You're just crying.
The problem is all the essential and emergency services are government or municipality jobs. Firefighters, EMT's, Police, RCMP, for example. These positions should be filled by the people best suited for that kind of work, who score the highest on their tests and perform the best in their interviews. Not because they don't have X number of minority Y.

Garbage men, who cares? If I ever need an EMT to save my life I want the man/woman who is going to do the best job, not someone who's a filler to meet a government equality mandate. What happens when you don't select your candidates this way? Monty Robinson.

[El Bastardo]

Easy solution stop hiring women if you dont want to deal with sexual harrasment lawsuits.



Its kind of sexist to assume that women will be sexually harassed if hired -and- that they're the only ones who are capable of being sexually harassed

[twitchyzero]

What the fuck?

What TheNewGirl said about sexual harassment is the truth. Sexual harassment may include "mere" words or glances but there are a lot more serious cases than those that you must not be aware of...

.

You can argue that if a man was sexually harrassed by a woman, it won't have the same stigma and perhaps punishment as if it was the other way around.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Its kind of sexist to assume that women will be sexually harassed if hired -and- that they're the only ones who are capable of being sexually harassed

It's kind of ignorant to pretend there isn't a big fat elephant walking around the office.

[Death2Theft]

Yes but do you think it's men who file the majority of sexual harrasment claims? I'm sure as fuck not pulling up a study for that because we both know the result.

Your chances of geting run over and killed by a clai on no3 road in richmond in broad daylight are higher than to have a man file a sexual harrasement suit.

Stereotypes suck but they are there for a reason, because more often than not they are true. As an boss/businessman would you take any % increase resulting in lower profits if you could chose? I know I sure as fuck wouldn't.
Its kind of sexist to assume that women will be sexually harassed if hired -and- that they're the only ones who are capable of being sexually harassed

[Death2Theft]

You mean the big fat elephant prancing around the room trying to sell you her kids chocolates for school? Or the one inviting people to her kids bday party while your trying to work? Please be specific.
It's kind of ignorant to pretend there isn't a big fat elephant walking around the office.

[digitalgirl]

You can argue that if a man was sexually harrassed by a woman, it won't have the same stigma and perhaps punishment as if it was the other way around.

Sure, and I believe what you're saying is true and unfair. Sexual harassment is serious and no one should get away with it.

That's sort of shooting off from the point of my post though. The point is that people posting here are denying that sexual harassment/abuse happens and they're dismissing it as being a rare case.

I disagree with their view on it because I know a lot more people who have endured MORE than just an unwanted (and sadly sometimes unavoidable) gropes in a club/bar or inappropriate comments than people who have not.

[LiquidTurbo]

Sure, and I believe what you're saying is true and unfair. Sexual harassment is serious and no one should get away with it.

That's sort of shooting off from the point of my post though. The point is that people posting here are denying that sexual harassment/abuse happens and they're dismissing it as being a rare case.

I disagree with their view on it because I know a lot more people who have endured MORE than just an unwanted (and sadly sometimes unavoidable) gropes in a club/bar or inappropriate comments than people who have not.

Probably dressed like sluts..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg

[Death2Theft]

If your a chick working a bar expect to get groped. If a guy doesn't like something about the job he leaves, a girl however way higher chances of hitting you and your company with a "sexual harrasment" law suit.
So thanks for giving us more reasons to hire you ladies. Wear more skimpy clothing to distract guys from work and complain that your skirt is too tight so you can't change the water cooler bottle, expect the men to do it. Yes your really helping out in the work place!

Hey look another great reason not to hire women! Omfg it's so unfair women need to get more respect and money!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17381270/ns/business-careers/
Sure, and I believe what you're saying is true and unfair. Sexual harassment is serious and no one should get away with it.

That's sort of shooting off from the point of my post though. The point is that people posting here are denying that sexual harassment/abuse happens and they're dismissing it as being a rare case.

I disagree with their view on it because I know a lot more people who have endured MORE than just an unwanted (and sadly sometimes unavoidable) gropes in a club/bar or inappropriate comments than people who have not.

[digitalgirl]

If your a chick working a bar expect to get groped. If a guy doesn't like something about the job he leaves, a girl however way higher chances of hitting you and your company with a "sexual harrasment" law suit.
So thanks for giving us more reasons to hire you ladies. Wear more skimpy clothing to distract guys from work and complain that your skirt is too tight so you can't change the water cooler bottle, expect the men to do it. Yes your really helping out in the work place!

Hey look another great reason not to hire women! Omfg it's so unfair women need to get more respect and money!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17381270/ns/business-careers/

What are you stating right now? That women have a higher chances of filing a lawsuit? I've already addressed that and agreed that it is both true and unfair. Bring new material please. On behalf of women everywhere, I apologize if someone has abused the system and made or exaggerated a claim.

We wear distracting clothes? What office are you working in? Professional women and women in business have to at least look the part, since the opinions in this thread suggest we're incapable of performing any work. How hard would it be to promote these ideas in the workplace? A simple policy/sign-off procedure would do.

Sorry you feel so burdened that you have to change the water cooler because I'm physically incapable of lifting 18.9 liters of water without making a mess. Bitter much?

Why are you complaining about women taking time off work to handle family matters? When or if you have children, would you volunteer to take the day off to tend to the family? No, because you're the man. You're the bread-winner. Somebody has to fucking do it--if not you, then who?

edit:
Expect to be groped? Is that the way you think it should be? Please confirm that what you are saying is that I should expect to be groped and think nothing of it. Are you saying that my body is to be groped and that's OK?

[AzNightmare]

I find this so amusing to be debated/discussed in a sausage fest forum, minus maybe a few female users.

Purpose of this thread seems to be just to fish out all the female users on RS. :lol

[Death2Theft]

What purpose do you think high heels and knee length skirts serve in the office enviroment?

Yes I do feel burdened by changing the water cooler when you demand the same pay as us yet you can't do certain menial tasks without help.

Better make sure your not hiring any single moms then. Incase you havn't noticed these are all reasons you dont get paid the same as a man.

Well if you work in a bar enviroment of drunks in party mode and dont expect some drunk to eventually grope you....must looka like a man!
What are you stating right now? That women have a higher chances of filing a lawsuit? I've already addressed that and agreed that it is both true and unfair. Bring new material please. On behalf of women everywhere, I apologize if someone has abused the system and made or exaggerated a claim.

We wear distracting clothes? What office are you working in? Professional women and women in business have to at least look the part, since the opinions in this thread suggest we're incapable of performing any work. How hard would it be to promote these ideas in the workplace? A simple policy/sign-off procedure would do.

Sorry you feel so burdened that you have to change the water cooler because I'm physically incapable of lifting 18.9 liters of water without making a mess. Bitter much?

Why are you complaining about women taking time off work to handle family matters? When or if you have children, would you volunteer to take the day off to tend to the family? No, because you're the man. You're the bread-winner. Somebody has to fucking do it--if not you, then who?

edit:
Expect to be groped? Is that the way you think it should be? Please confirm that what you are saying is that I should expect to be groped and think nothing of it. Are you saying that my body is to be groped and that's OK?

[Death2Theft]

I'm sure no women have ever flirted in the work place to get men to do work for them either. I mean thats more of a lazy man thing to do right? :whistle:

[digitalgirl]

What purpose do you think high heels and knee length skirts serve in the office enviroment?

Yes I do feel burdened by changing the water cooler when you demand the same pay as us yet you can't do certain menial tasks without help.

Better make sure your not hiring any single moms then. Incase you havn't noticed these are all reasons you dont get paid the same as a man.

Well if you work in a bar enviroment of drunks in party mode and dont expect some drunk to eventually grope you....must looka like a man!

There's a difference between a closed .5 in. - 2 in. heel and straight-up 4 - 5in strappy, platform sandals... Flats are considered unprofessional. Even in a pantsuit, no man or woman is going to take you seriously in the type of business situation we're talking about if you wear chunky dress shoes.

And in case you didn't know, it used to be that it was frowned upon for women to wear pants because women were not allowed to look the same as men. Don't get it twisted.

Please do yourself a favour and get laid if legs exposed only below the knee is enough to distract you from your work.

Interesting that you would pass up the opportunity to hire someone if they were the most qualified by far because of their inability to change a water cooler. Or that you would pay someone less for their work because of such a fact when its not a part of their job description.

LOL? In case I haven't noticed these are the reasons I don't get paid as much as a man? In any of my posts did I bitch about getting paid less than men? Fucks wrong with u bro.

edit:
I'm sure no women have ever flirted in the work place to get men to do work for them either. I mean thats more of a lazy man thing to do right? :whistle:

Sorry you fell for it. I never called men lazy either. I'm not hating on men here at all. Your reading comprehension on the other hand...

[Death2Theft]

That is the original topic "women earning less than men"
These are all reasons why.
It's not how often I get laid that i'm worried about. It's the men working for me.
If your reading comprehension allows, please do give us reasons why a boss would want to have women over men in the workplace.

[digitalgirl]

That is the original topic "women earning less than men"
These are all reasons why.
It's not how often I get laid that i'm worried about. It's the men working for me.
If your reading comprehension allows, please do give us reasons why a boss would want to have women over men in the workplace.

The original topic is "reasons why men should be hired instead of women". Both your first response to me and the question here address said topic...

You're worried? Hire better people and control your women.

To cut costs :troll:

I'm not taking that bait. My view has never been that I think women are better than men. My view is that discrimination is wrong. I'm not going to accept it as being alright just because it happens like you do regarding groping.

True equality is giving the job to the best suitable applicant regardless of sex or race.

[Death2Theft]

If you put yourself in the position to get groped dont expect to file a big lawsuit.
This is typical feminist only when it suits them attitude alot of girls have.
Chivalry for the most part is dead so you better learn to enjoy feminism.
Again I'm not worried because the simple solution is not to hire women unless they look like men.

[digitalgirl]

If you put yourself in the position to get groped dont expect to file a big lawsuit.
This is typical feminist only when it suits them attitude alot of girls have.
Chivalry for the most part is dead so you better learn to enjoy feminism.
Again I'm not worried because the simple solution is not to hire women unless they look like men.

Look, I can see where you're coming from, but I still think that it's wrong to adopt that attitude. That's like saying I got mugged/raped/beat up while I was alone on my way home from work one night, but that's OK because I put myself in the position for it.

"This is typical feminist only when it suits them attitude alot of girls have."
^ Where have I spoken "only when it suits me". Have I ignored or dismissed any of your opinions without giving a reason?

"Chivalry for the most part is dead"
^ Your point?
Not to expect special treatment? I don't.

"you better learn to enjoy feminism."
^ Your point?
If you're saying I'm fighting for a lost cause? That doesn't change what I believe in.

What about my solution was not simple? Prevent women from dressing inappropriately by creating a policy. A woman with her head on straight isn't going to throw a fit if you explain why the policy exists. If you think that's too much work for you then go ahead with your method. I think it's a pretty small price to pay to have diversity at work.

New material please.

edit:
Also, seems like you just troll when it suits you. Just give it up.

[BNR32_Coupe]

death2theft has definitely got to be trolling. i like the way that user trolls though, it's very discrete. quite original.

i want to troll too

i think women should have more rights than men because for a long time, women had less rights. also, black people should enslave white people for a period of 500 years. this is FAIR

[midnight_r]

men never complain over shit.
i hate feminists

[digitalgirl]

men never complain over shit.
i hate feminists

Quit complaining.

[Death2Theft]

Who says I'm talking about you? I'm generalizing if you havn't figured it out.

Typically the biggest bra burning feminists duck and change thier views briefly when it comes time to pay the bill.

I've given enough new material, most of which you can't respond to. Guys feel free to chime in but when you argue with a chick and she knows she can't win... isn't the most common tactic to just change the topic? Or bitch about something else?
In this case "new material"

Men complain less (exception for gay men) than women they confront and deal with problems, unlike women that would rather talk about it over whatever ass fattening treat suits their fancy.


Look, I can see where you're coming from, but I still think that it's wrong to adopt that attitude. That's like saying I got mugged/raped/beat up while I was alone on my way home from work one night, but that's OK because I put myself in the position for it.

"This is typical feminist only when it suits them attitude alot of girls have."
^ Where have I spoken "only when it suits me". Have I ignored or dismissed any of your opinions without giving a reason?

"Chivalry for the most part is dead"
^ Your point?
Not to expect special treatment? I don't.

"you better learn to enjoy feminism."
^ Your point?
If you're saying I'm fighting for a lost cause? That doesn't change what I believe in.

What about my solution was not simple? Prevent women from dressing inappropriately by creating a policy. A woman with her head on straight isn't going to throw a fit if you explain why the policy exists. If you think that's too much work for you then go ahead with your method. I think it's a pretty small price to pay to have diversity at work.

New material please.

edit:
Also, seems like you just troll when it suits you. Just give it up.

[digitalgirl]

Who says I'm talking about you? I'm generalizing if you havn't figured it out.

Typically the biggest bra burning feminists duck and change thier views briefly when it comes time to pay the bill.

I've given enough new material, most of which you can't respond to. Guys feel free to chime in but when you argue with a chick and she knows she can't win... isn't the most common tactic to just change the topic? Or bitch about something else?
In this case "new material"

Men complain less (exception for gay men) than women they confront and deal with problems, unlike women that would rather talk about it over whatever ass fattening treat suits their fancy.

You didn't exclude me from your statement either.

To be honest, I don't have friends who are crazy feminists or anything so I can't really say anything about that statement.

Can you be so kind as to point out what I have failed to respond to?

I find your arguments laughable.

Excuse me too if I'm going back on anything I've said here and feel free to point it out, but I find the term women's rights pretty ironic. Why single it out when the fact is everyone should be treated with respect regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

edit:
You do a hell of a lot of complaining yourself. Pretty sure I've complained of two things in this thread: lack of awareness surrounding sexual harassment and your ignorance.

[Death2Theft]

I never included you in the first place because i'm speaking from experience. I dont know why you think that I would have anything to say about you? Another case of world revolves around your vagina I suppose.

I've listed reasons in the past why hiring women is detrimental to your income, you claim hiring women to cut costs?
When less work is being done for less $/h there are no savings. If you were in the business of killing time and waiting to pop out kids ....I could see why that would be appealing. End result of not hiring women? Things get done faster.

Above is one of the statements, the rest I wont quote but roughly it was " i'm not responding to that" or "trolling" call it what you want but it's when you know i'm right.

Hey if your so worried about sexual harrasment go work only for women. Just dont count on getting on the fortune 500 anytime soon.

Actually you couldn't be more wrong, no one gets respect. Respect is earned.

Difference between me and the average vagina? I do something about it instead of complaining and crying woe is me.

[digitalgirl]

I never included you in the first place because i'm speaking from experience. I dont know you why would I have anything to say about you? Another case of world revolves around your vagina I suppose.

No I wont quote but roughly it was " i'm not responding to that" or "trolling" call it what you want but it's when you know i'm right.


Actually you couldn't be more wrong, no one gets respect. Respect is earned.

Difference between me and the average vagina? I do something about it instead of complaining and crying woe is me.

Then I apologize for misinterpreting what you said. This is the only place where you've gotten me so far.

So you referred to one case, which your question to me was. "Tell me why someone would hire women over men." Hiring someone isn't gender based last time I checked, so to answer that question would be to say my belief is that women are better than men. And we're not, we're equals.

I think you misunderstood my point, which is there isn't a need to be advertently disrespectful towards someone.

I've put holes in all of the arguments you've made in this thread. Your previous arguments here also picked apart by others. Where are you going with this?

[digitalgirl]

I've listed reasons in the past why hiring women is detrimental to your income, you claim hiring women to cut costs?
When less work is being done for less $/h there are no savings. If you were in the business of killing time and waiting to pop out kids ....I could see why that would be appealing. End result of not hiring women? Things get done faster.

Hey if your so worried about sexual harrasment go work only for women. Just dont count on getting on the fortune 500 anytime soon.

I'll humour you one more time, even though I've already addressed these points.
edit:
The hiring women thing was sarcastic if you didn't pick that one up.

According to you, hiring women is detrimental to your income because:
1.) There is a chance you could face a lawsuit if she's sexually harassed and in your mind, this is inevitable.

Why do you have this attitude that people you hire are going to sexually harass your female employees if you had them?

2.) They're less productive than men.

Statistics and studies please?

3.) They have a 15% chance to miss work for family matters, unlike men who only yield a 7% chance..

This is only an issue if they're not doing the work they are responsible for in the time you give them. If they're not missing anything and they're doing everything you tell them to do, what's the big deal.

4.) They're distracting to men in what they wear.

This is so trivial and easy to change.

5.) They may not be able to change a water cooler.

Sleep well at night knowing I'm totally stumped by this one.

[darkfroggy]

Talent aside, I would pick a man over a woman for the job.

A lot of sexual harassment charges are filed by women, many would rather not deal with this risk and hire a man.

No discrimination, just statistics and logic. No boss wants the stigma that his company *harassed* a female employee. Male-male incidents are just very rare.

[BNR32_Coupe]

I'll humour you one more time, even though I've already addressed these points.
edit:
The hiring women thing was sarcastic if you didn't pick that one up.

According to you, hiring women is detrimental to your income because:
1.) There is a chance you could face a lawsuit if she's sexually harassed and in your mind, this is inevitable.

Why do you have this attitude that people you hire are going to sexually harass your female employees if you had them?

2.) They're less productive than men.

Statistics and studies please?

3.) They have a 15% chance to miss work for family matters, unlike men who only yield a 7% chance..

This is only an issue if they're not doing the work they are responsible for in the time you give them. If they're not missing anything and they're doing everything you tell them to do, what's the big deal.

4.) They're distracting to men in what they wear.

This is so trivial and easy to change.

5.) They may not be able to change a water cooler.

Sleep well at night knowing I'm totally stumped by this one.

2) I don't have actual numbers from references for you but before you discredit my claim, note that im speaking on a basis of common sense and practical observations. ive noticed women tend to take more days off for personal reasons (eg, sick, tending to children, leaving early due to not feeling well, etc). therefore, since women work less than men in a general sense, it can be said that they're less productive. we can get technical and say that perhaps women work 1.02x harder on the days they do show up for work, so if you measured productivity at the end of the year, it would be equal.. but then we'd be counting beans and those numbers are impossible to bring up

4) this is not easy to change. even for a manager with excellent interpersonal skills, its difficult to suggest one change their attire to something less flashy. at the end of the day, the person may get offended, and conclude their manager is accusing them of being slutty. its just an unnecessary headache for HR and managers alike

[goo3]

That's what a dress code is for. If it's a headache for your HR, maybe you should fire them!

"We can only recruit from half the population because they make it too hard to do my job" LOL.

[Death2Theft]

1. Why would I even bother attempting to filter guys who may or may not sexually harrass some chick? Eliminating the root of the problem results in much less time wasted.
I've seen cases of 300lb walrus looking ladies attempting to claim sexual harrasment on some guy that didnt' agree with her on wanting longer breaks. Union job go figure.

2. I've listed countless examples of WHY there is a chance women are less productive than men. Feel free to ignore them all, I think it's time you came up with some new material.
Simply put there are things men just dont have to deal with, while other time wasting attributes are clearly dominated by females. Here you are again wasting my time but look heres another problem 176 million men dont suffer from.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100628/Study-finds-significant-loss-of-work-productivity-among-women-who-suffer-from-endometriosis.aspx
Time and again I have said you are paid exactly what your worth. Here is yet another example, although I find the last part about "women taught to be cooperative instead of competitive" hilarous. Women love to gossip and stab each other in the back. Men are much more likely to put aside differences to get the job done.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/213768.php

3. Well in that case maybe no one should show up for work then, everyone should just work at home! I mean hell if you do the same amount of work in the same given time why bother showing up?
I have said time and again it's not how much harder you work it's the amount of time put into the career. As a boss who are you going to promote some chick that worked maybe 10%-20% harder than the next candidate who is a man? Yet the chick will have a 20 year job life span, where the guy will have 40. Sure she might work after she has kids but what are the chances of her being at the same productivity level as before? Not well and we both know that.
What if she tells you she doesn't plan on having kids so she can work just as long? What are you going to do get her to sign a contract that states this?
We both know women are more likely to change their minds. Enjoy the law suit.
Men on the other hand are expected to work till retirement age or the day they die.

4. Again a touchy subject, you telling them what to wear could result in a lawsuit or even an attempted lawsuit which costs the company money and time, vs not hiring you in the first place.

5. Well who do you think is more likely to change a burnt out light bulb at work then?
Why do I have to keep bringing up the same points? Watch your going to ask for new material now because again you can't dispute my original points.
I'll humour you one more time, even though I've already addressed these points.
edit:
The hiring women thing was sarcastic if you didn't pick that one up.

According to you, hiring women is detrimental to your income because:
1.) There is a chance you could face a lawsuit if she's sexually harassed and in your mind, this is inevitable.

Why do you have this attitude that people you hire are going to sexually harass your female employees if you had them?

2.) They're less productive than men.

Statistics and studies please?

3.) They have a 15% chance to miss work for family matters, unlike men who only yield a 7% chance..

This is only an issue if they're not doing the work they are responsible for in the time you give them. If they're not missing anything and they're doing everything you tell them to do, what's the big deal.

4.) They're distracting to men in what they wear.

This is so trivial and easy to change.

5.) They may not be able to change a water cooler.

Sleep well at night knowing I'm totally stumped by this one.

[Death2Theft]

I wonder what job females can excel in aside from receptionist and daycare workers, we certainly know it can't be as a serious chef.
http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/03/29/chefs-with-issues-a-call-to-arms-for-female-chefs/