[winson604]

Just wanted some opinions on what people define as being on time for work. Let's say in this case you work in a call centre and your shift is 8-5.

A) You walk in the office at 8 and by the time you are fully logged in and actually ready to work it's 8:05 or later. However, because you were at your desk by 8:00am you don't see anything wrong with this.

B) You walk in at 7:55am, log in and you're ready to take your first call by 8:00am. You consider this to be the only right way to do it.

If anybody answers "A" would you mind sharing your thought process on why it's ok. If anybody doesn't feel "A" is the correct answer by all means please play the devils advocate here and give some legit reasons on why "A" might be correct.

Personally I think you are paid to work from 8-5 not to be here at 8 and to work from 8:05-5. Just like if you were at a Bank waiting for it to open you would expect that the employees have already got there early and setup everything so when they open the door they can serve you right away rather than them walking through the door with you and asking you to wait 5 mins before they setup.

Thanks

[murd0c]

I'm the A type of person. But I'm the first to get to the office and unlock the sales doors tho. When I get in I answer the phone right away even if my computer isn't booted up.

I also don't really take lunch just eat at my desk while working(and surf RS of course)

I think it really depends on what you do its slow for me in the morning so I don't really care but when I worked at a call center I was always at work 15min early.
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[Presto]

It's 'B'. It's 'B' for most jobs. Encore performances of 'A' will get your ass fired. Especially, if you're in the probationary period. I've worked those gigs. Now, I get in at 8-ish, and leave a bit early, if i can.:angel2:

[ManHo]

B is proper ..A is for part time

[Hondaracer]

A usually leads to being late more often than not

used to be A, in any future professions i'll commit myself to be B

[Hondaracer]

A usually leads to being late more often than not

used to be A, in any future professions i'll commit myself to be B

[zonda_s]

B is more correct. I worked at a bank doing opening shifts. Last thing you want are your managers and customer all over your ass for not being ready to help clients when the doors open.

[baggdis300]

A gets your ass on thin ice, B keeps your job and your employer happy.

[Senna4ever]

'B' for sure - why do you even have to ask? If your shift starts at 8am, you need to close your Facebook and RS browser pages at 7:59 and be ready to start work at 8am. If you are the boss, how would you feel if people didn't have the discipline to start their shifts on time? Over time, that is potentially lots of lost revenue.

[El Bastardo]

A) You walk in the office at 8 and by the time you are fully logged in and actually ready to work it's 8:05 or later. However, because you were at your desk by 8:00am you don't see anything wrong with this.





I used to supervise a team at a call centre and if any of my employees did this their ass would be written up.
The expectation is that you are ready to work when your shift begins and there are complicated pieces of software that schedule and route calls based on the expectation that you can manage to get your ass in a chair and headset on your skull for 8:00, not 8:01 and not 7:59.

This isn't McDonalds. You can't just walk in late and tell the customer that they need to wait an extra couple of minutes for their burger and expect them to put up with it because you've given them their fries to snack on in the mean time.

The customer is on the phone, waiting to speak with someone, taking time out of their day which you are wasting because you can't be bothered to roll your lazy ass out of bed just a couple of minutes earlier.

It isn't a tough job. Its not like you're carrying rebar or tacking up drywall for 8 hours a day. You're inside, out of the weather, and sitting down. Make an effort because there are literally hundreds of people looking for work after all of the call centres that have closed here in the last three or so years. Do you think you're somehow special? You're not. You're a number. You're a statistic tied to to your quality scores, call handle time, and adherence to schedule. Clearly adherence is an issue for you so why don't we look at your other numbers because if this is how you treat your scheduled shifts I'd like to know about your other numbers. If your numbers can't manage to right themselves I'll give you the number of the welfare office.

Your number needs to be in it's seat on time, after learning another number. 8. not 8:05 but 8.



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[JesseBlue]

both seem to be penny pinching and won't lead to better productivity. you're missing the other parts like:

1) what if its your break time, but you're too busy to take breaks?
2) what if you're still working when its time to go home?
3) what if you're asked to do some stuff out of your scope of work?
4) and many others..

this is why a lot of company empowers the employee to make menial decisions like that...

value of work =/= time you start

[JesseBlue]

of course some shift work requires you to be on time and i get that...

[Wongtouski]

A is for trolls
B is for winners

That's it really.

[maxxxboost]

Most places has a grace period.

"B" is more appropriate for the work place.

But i can totally understand "A"

Depends how the work environment and culture are. I know people that go to work late and it is normal.

[Euro7r]

Rather be a bit early than cutting it close by being on the dot and starting.

[Great68]

I would mostly agree with "B" but sometimes it's not so clear cut, it depends on the job.

I know from my Crappy tire days that managers told the cashiers they were expected to be in the store 15 minutes before the start of their shift so they could count their float (their cash on hand) and put it in the till.

They were not paid for the 15 minutes they were required to be early. I thought this was wrong, as they were doing WORK (Counting the float) that 15 minutes they were required to be there before their shift.

Once a manager gave a cashier shit for not being there that 15 minutes early, I heard this and threatened to give labour relations a call. I never heard the manager complain about it again.

That being said, I haven't worked a clear "Shift" job in 10 years, my current job I'm free to come and go as I please as long as I put in a full day's work.

[Obsideon]

I work in the restaurant industry and I firmly believe in B.
Type A people won't get very far in life if that's their attitude towards everything.

I'll take your example up a notch, I've had waitresses that are suppose to start at 6:00pm but they come strolling through the door at 5:58 and clock-in, and then go to the back and proceed to change their clothes, tie their hair and apply make-up only to come out of the change room and get on the floor sometime between 6:10 to 6:20, depending on if they were having a bad hair day or not. Once of twice is "ok", but almost constantly every shift? Needless to say those people no longer work for me.
:alone:

[Vansterdam]

I show up to work 30 mins early everyday lol
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[Razor Ramon HG]

B is the norm. But if your boss loves you, they probably don't mind you pulling an A.

[Valour]

I was supposed to start at 8 am and I always arrived 10 minutes before 830 sharp!! I got fired... :'( and I was the supervisor... :''(. But I drove a better car than the VP and GM!!!

[unit]

depends on the job. im technically late every day but i also stay late on days where my projects take more time, and i dont get paid OT. my boss couldnt be happier with my performance.

in a call center scenario then B, but in a lot of work places A can be acceptable.

[Nightwalker]

I usually walk in between 5 and 15 min late

[Nightwalker]

depends on the job. im technically late every day but i also stay late on days where my projects take more time, and i dont get paid OT. my boss couldnt be happier with my performance.

Same here, I actually earned a free day off due to pulling 11 hour days the last week.

[snowball]

Depends on the job, if you do shift work of course you're expected to prepare everything before the doors open (and often not get paid for it)

I work in a research lab, safety checklists and changing into lab clothing is considered work and the time at the beginning and end are considered flexible since it's salary work. I'd often go in early or stay late, sometimes get off early depending on how much work there is to do.

[BlackV62K2]

depends on the job. im technically late every day but i also stay late on days where my projects take more time, and i dont get paid OT. my boss couldnt be happier with my performance.

Sounds like you work @ EA lol.

[Bouncing Bettys]

of those who are required to be early to get prepped for your shift, are you on the clock, earning money?

[Great68]

I work in the restaurant industry and I firmly believe in B.
Type A people won't get very far in life if that's their attitude towards everything.

I'll take your example up a notch, I've had waitresses that are suppose to start at 6:00pm but they come strolling through the door at 5:58 and clock-in, and then go to the back and proceed to change their clothes, tie their hair and apply make-up only to come out of the change room and get on the floor sometime between 6:10 to 6:20, depending on if they were having a bad hair day or not. Once of twice is "ok", but almost constantly every shift? Needless to say those people no longer work for me.
:alone:

I would agree that someone should be in uniform and have their personal appearance ready before work starts, however in my example the employees were performing work related duties without getting paid.

[TheKingdom2000]

It depends on what type of job you have.
If you're opening then you have to be ready to go by 8am.

Though, most jobs i will get there by 8am. These are like part time jobs that doesn't matter, ie. retail, or restaurant, etc.

Managers do notice the people who get in at 8am and people who get in at 7;45. So if you're in a job where you want to go further I would get there a little early. If it's mcdix and you don't care to be a "team leader" who cares.

[jasonturbo]

Reading this thread made me realize how great it is to have a "career" as opposed to a "job".

[LUUUUUUUU]

5 min early is still a gamble

[behben]

I personally would always be 10 minutes early for work and suck up to the managers aha! It sucks but whatever, i gotta do what i gotta do to make the money pile haha!

[asahai69]

i get to work whenever i deem necessary. the employees however must be "B"

[BlackV62K2]

Reading this thread made me realize how great it is to have a "career" as opposed to a "job".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypar-aVN_lo

[drunkrussian]

It's 'B'. It's 'B' for most jobs. Encore performances of 'A' will get your ass fired. Especially, if you're in the probationary period. I've worked those gigs. Now, I get in at 8-ish, and leave a bit early, if i can.:angel2:

"most jobs" is the key here. For regular office jobs, you can come on time, a bit late, whatever...it's about the work you put in.

a call centre however, is front-line service staff. people calling are your clients, and your workday is based on meetings with those clients. If a doctor has appointments 8-5 he will be ready to go at 8. even more so with you as a call centre agent - if a company says that they have agents ready at 8, so they damn sure be ready at 8. So in your particular case, due to the nature of the job, i would say you have to be ready to go at 8, not just arriving to work at 8.

[dinamix]

I'll always come in to work 15 min early. I noticed my day will go much smoother. I don't feel so rushed in case there is traffic or whatever. Your boss will love u for it.
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[RiceIntegraRS]

I think ive been on time for work 12 times out of the whole year

[optiblue]

I'm definately B... you would get fired in the real world if you kept doing A

[Ferra]

If a doctor has appointments 8-5 he will be ready to go at 8. even more so with you as a call centre agent.
are you sure?? I've had 3 family doctors in my life, EVERYONE SINGLE ONE OF THEM seems to think it is okay for them to be late

I alway ask the nurse for the earliest appt (8am) when I go see the doctor, but these guys are never on time, alway 15-20 mins late even for their earliest appt.

bottom line, jobs dependent
sales guy, no one cares if you don't show up, as long as you get those numbers in
reception, service counter, call center...etc should be ready to work on time tho

Also one observation i've had over the years.... 99% of the new guys (0-6 months) are on time and early, while 50%+ of the older employees (2-3years+) are usually late and leave early

[Alatar]

A for me. If I show up right at 7:30, odds are, I end up waiting 5 minutes for my boss anyway.

[hotjoint]

B for sure. I get to work 15 minutes early everyday. I'm a salaried employee so I don't get paid for coming early or staying late and sometimes don't take my lunch breaks. Sometimes I'll take a longer lunch or leave earlier, my boss doesn't care because she knows the effort I put in the other days.

[ilvtofu]

We had a few A's at the restaurant I used to work at, this is because people would have to change etc before their shifts. Then the rule was you needed to be changed before you signed in on the POS. Then again the restaurant was super chill so you could take 10 mins to take a smoke etc. and it'd be fine, this was only because the PM shift started at 4 or 5 and there was never anyone outside

[Drow]

C : you come to work 15 minutes before your scheduled time. This will show your superiors that you are responsible and show that you "try".
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[Gh0stRider]

B is what i go by

i hate how my co workers go by "A"

[dachinesedude]

office job FTW

im a B everyday, but i have to stay later too sometimes, no OT pay, cancels out i guess

[|<e|_]

C : you come to work 15 minutes before your scheduled time. This will show your superiors that you are responsible and show that you "try".
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C too LOL!: I start work 1hr 30mins early than my shift...cause work still pays me for those extra hrs of doing nothing but play crossword and sudoku on the 24hr newspaper everyday...

[Ronin]

Depends on the job.

[CorneringArtist]

Really depends, but I'm a B-type. I show up 5-15 minutes early, clock in, and start setting up for the day. Because there's no work for some time (I'm a service lot attendant at a dealership), I might find myself doing actual work around 9 rather than at my start time of 8:30. In that half-hour window, I'd be cleaning, shuttling customers, or reading yesterday's 24 Hours while we wait for a tech to finish working on a car.

[pastarocket]

It's "B" for most jobs. If the boss expects you to start work at 8, you're at your cubicle/workstation/desk to work at 8 sharp. Especially those micro managing bosses who watch you like a hawk. No websurfing or Revscene when the micro managers are behind your back.

[JdmProbe]

"C" is how its done! Makes you look a lot better as most people go for option A.

plus if you sleep in a bit you wont actually arrive to work late.

[Vansterdam]

i show up 30 minutes early and start 15 minutes late :fuckyea:

[impactX]

I am sure there are people who are "Type C" out there who are usually "late" for work but stay to work during lunch break/coffee breaks and don't get off on time either. It really depends on the industry.

[drunkrussian]

are you sure?? I've had 3 family doctors in my life, EVERYONE SINGLE ONE OF THEM seems to think it is okay for them to be late

I alway ask the nurse for the earliest appt (8am) when I go see the doctor, but these guys are never on time, alway 15-20 mins late even for their earliest appt.

lol true, bad example. family doctors run their own business, so they pretty much show up whenever they please

[Nocardia]

This obviously can't be applied to all types of work.

If someone relies on you being there (ie services like a gas station attendant), then obviously B
If someone relies on the days work you do while being there (ie industry like the gas truck delivering gas to the station), then A


Whats 5 minutes of work when the work gets done from 805-1705. Its those who work 805-1700 that get no where in life

[EDawg]

i work at a bank and to be honest, i usually go by "A"

already better than some of my coworkers though :fullofwin:

[Grandmaster TSE]

type B
starting your shift at 8 means your ready to go at 8, not arriving at 8

[Gridlock]

I would mostly agree with "B" but sometimes it's not so clear cut, it depends on the job.

I know from my Crappy tire days that managers told the cashiers they were expected to be in the store 15 minutes before the start of their shift so they could count their float (their cash on hand) and put it in the till.

They were not paid for the 15 minutes they were required to be early. I thought this was wrong, as they were doing WORK (Counting the float) that 15 minutes they were required to be there before their shift.

Once a manager gave a cashier shit for not being there that 15 minutes early, I heard this and threatened to give labour relations a call. I never heard the manager complain about it again.

That being said, I haven't worked a clear "Shift" job in 10 years, my current job I'm free to come and go as I please as long as I put in a full day's work.

I had my supervisor at a desk job get disjointed because I was 10 minutes late one morning. She gave me a speech and it was done.

I was late the next day.

I get called into the managers office, and she asks, "what are you going to do to make sure that you are on time in the morning?"

I take it, and then follow up with, "that's interesting. On a related note, did you get an overtime slip for the 2 hours I stayed last night?-and you never will."

Amazingly, I never heard from them again. And I got promoted. I became the supervisor after she got canned ;)

Seriously, its a frigging office. You are flexible and I'm flexible and its all happy.

[GabAlmighty]

As a lifeguard...

You're ready to teach swimming lessons at 8. You're ready to rotate your guard at 8. Your coworkers will give you the stink eye if you rotate a few minutes late and parents ain't gonna be happy if their kid misses 5mins of their 30min lesson.

[drunkrussian]

from the sounds of it, as autonomy increases, the importance of being on time lessens. Think about it - all these jobs where you gotta be on time - lifeguard, teacher, call centre agent... all have others depending on you.

all the jobs where it doesn't matter as much - office jobs mostly, you're doing your own thing, you can be late, but the pressure is on to show results

then there's self employment - doctor, businessman etc....you can now be wildly late, however you won't be because you know that it's either work your ass off or crumble.

So...either way ur fucked

[Bonjour43MA]

yeah it depends on what kinda of job it is... At a couple of the previous jobs where my punctuality had an effect on my co-workers, I was the "B" type.

With salary-based office jobs, however - I get in whenever I get in, within reasonable time, of course. Plus I always stay late to finish my tasks and etc so it balances out :)

[rslater]

Man North American style of work sucks.

[Jeremy617]

I am sure there are people who are "Type C" out there who are usually "late" for work but stay to work during lunch break/coffee breaks and don't get off on time either. It really depends on the industry.

This, if you have a job where customers or team members are relying on you to be there on time, you can't expect to be late and not have anybody care.

I generally show up at 9am+/- 2 hours, depending how tired I am, but i've also been doing 60+ hour weeks the last 2 months with no O/T pay. My boss has had a couple of the 9-5 people that work in the same office as me (who are in a different dept.) come to him and try to rat me out for showing up late all the time, he told them to mind their own business. :fullofwin:

[hk20000]

B is important if you have to take over someone that worked before you.

Something like floor jobs, waiters, gas station clerk, etc.

where's choice C? I go to work when I feel like it.

[Oleophobic]

This, if you have a job where customers or team members are relying on you to be there on time, you can't expect to be late and not have anybody care.

I generally show up at 9am+/- 2 hours, depending how tired I am, but i've also been doing 60+ hour weeks the last 2 months with no O/T pay. My boss has had a couple of the 9-5 people that work in the same office as me (who are in a different dept.) come to him and try to rat me out for showing up late all the time, he told them to mind their own business. :fullofwin:


wow I hate tattletales
they can go fuck themselves

[alex.w *//]

I"m usually the A person

[Rogue951]

I'm at work I'm early every shift. I can't even be a minute late. (unusual circumstances aside, flat tire etc.)

1st late, verbal warning.
2nd, written.
3rd, disciplinary.
all on record.


Being a supervisor at another job, I definitely want my staff doing B, and think it's good form to do so.
At this job, I expect my staff to be signed in, uniforms neat and ready to go when that clock ticks over, not swipe in at such time, go to locker, take sweet time changing and talking on the phone, then show up with pants hanging around the knees.
and I do take note when people do "A" and "B" when it comes time to do evaluations.

It's all about being prepared in life. A is not being prepared.

You don't go buy a fire extinguisher when your house is already fully engulfed. You have one ready for when one starts.

[Westcoast67]

I have this theory that I don't work for free. So unless they want to pay me to be there early, they will get me at the start time set out in the contract. If you make a half decent wage, 15 minutes per day extra over a year will be substantial. Those that claim this is a poor approach must not understand that companies have zero loyalty to you as an employee and you should reciprocate that sentiment.

[Gridlock]

This, if you have a job where customers or team members are relying on you to be there on time, you can't expect to be late and not have anybody care.

I generally show up at 9am+/- 2 hours, depending how tired I am, but i've also been doing 60+ hour weeks the last 2 months with no O/T pay. My boss has had a couple of the 9-5 people that work in the same office as me (who are in a different dept.) come to him and try to rat me out for showing up late all the time, he told them to mind their own business. :fullofwin:

LOL...exactly. In an office, this is how I like to work. I'm not a morning person. I don't watch the clock. The price is, don't watch the clock for me.

Once I became manager, I had a woman that at 4pm, she would drop the pen mid-sentence and start for the door. That's awesome. That same person got shit if they were a minute late. Others would be on more flexible time, but don't come to me with an overtime sheet. I'm not counting hours, so you can't either. If you are here 3 hours extra, then I'll pay out. Everyone kind of chose which version of me they dealt with ;) I MUCH preferred the second set, because that's my work ethic.

[SpuGen]

I used to work in a Restaurant. I was a Prep Chef, and the only one in my station, so that meant showing up 20-25 minutes before my shift, sometimes even 30-40 minutes before. So I was b, until around the last month I was there, I became a.

- Had to get changed
- Daily Inventory
- Accept/inventory all new stock 3 times a week
- Create a Prep list, and get it approved by a Sous Chef
- Clean environment, knives sharpened, Boards ready.
- C Vap Turned on, and preheated by 8.
- Prime Ribs Seared and prepped to go into the C Vap at 8am. No later.

All this while the Line guys are constantly running in and out taking my stock, screwing up my Cooler/Line numbers, and making breakfast from 5am, making it impossible to use the Griddle top/whatever to do it.

Never had a Lunch break. Never actually even ate. All I had were smoke breaks that were actually Trash runs that I was in charge of doing because somehow everybody else was "too busy"

Became B. Demoted the same week. Somebody from line took my job + a raise
I quit, and went back to school.
Fuck kitchen jobs. Passion or not, it's a bunch of bullshit.

[91LS-VTak]

I get to work a few minutes early, but I don't log on to my system or do anything work-related until 8. If they ain't paying me.....

[Ferra]

I had my supervisor at a desk job get disjointed because I was 10 minutes late one morning. She gave me a speech and it was done.

I was late the next day.

I get called into the managers office, and she asks, "what are you going to do to make sure that you are on time in the morning?"

I take it, and then follow up with, "that's interesting. On a related note, did you get an overtime slip for the 2 hours I stayed last night?-and you never will."

Amazingly, I never heard from them again. And I got promoted. I became the supervisor after she got canned ;)

Seriously, its a frigging office. You are flexible and I'm flexible and its all happy.
Truth is, for most office jobs, being 5 mins late really makes no difference at all
But a good manager should alway feel obligated to scoff their employees for being even 1 min late because it prevents things from getting worse day after days
i.e., in the beginning, you let ppl know 5 mins late is okay, so 5 min late became the norm, after a while, the 10 mins late is also okay too because it is only 5 min later than the norm, and after a while ppl start coming in 15, 20 mins late...and things only go downhill from there on

So next time you get scoffed by your manager for trivia matter (e.g: 5 mins late), don't blame them, they know it is not a big deal, it is just that they don't want you to push the boundary and set a bad example.

[Graeme S]

I can't stand to be late for work; I have a minor freak out if I'm only going to be "on time". I don't trust traffic, I don't trust busses, I don't trust street lights, and I don't trust other people. I'm always planning to be at work 15+ minutes early just 'cause I know that one day that I don't I'll end up super late.

[twitchyzero]

I'm an A as long as the employer is not adhering to the proper employment laws (paying you 4 hours if you show up for work but feeling ill half way through, time and half on holidays etc)

[l2_narain]

Just wanted some opinions on what people define as being on time for work. Let's say in this case you work in a call centre and your shift is 8-5.

A) You walk in the office at 8 and by the time you are fully logged in and actually ready to work it's 8:05 or later. However, because you were at your desk by 8:00am you don't see anything wrong with this.

B) You walk in at 7:55am, log in and you're ready to take your first call by 8:00am. You consider this to be the only right way to do it.

If anybody answers "A" would you mind sharing your thought process on why it's ok. If anybody doesn't feel "A" is the correct answer by all means please play the devils advocate here and give some legit reasons on why "A" might be correct.

Personally I think you are paid to work from 8-5 not to be here at 8 and to work from 8:05-5. Just like if you were at a Bank waiting for it to open you would expect that the employees have already got there early and setup everything so when they open the door they can serve you right away rather than them walking through the door with you and asking you to wait 5 mins before they setup.

Thanks

This have been talked to death at my office. "Oh, I don't get paid that extra 5 minutes to do my s%$#." or "That's your job; ready to go right at 8am, not a minute later. Don't like it quit!"

By the time I swipe the card for the door/elevator, clear the man doors, log-in my user profile on the computer, log-in to my extension, open 4 sessions of the system we use (one to log-in ID) that takes me about 5-7 minutes. I timed it! So I would be at the front doors at work (by example)at 7:53-7:55am.

Couple of years and some write ups later, this method sucks. Why? Like people previously said, you can't trust other elements to get you to be work on-time. Now I get to work 10-15 minutes early. I hate it. I hate work. Who likes to work?

But because I'm there 10-15 minutes before, I'm calm from not stressing out on being on time. I got time to prepare for the challenges (like that previous call center manager bulls@$#). I got some time to make a quick coffee for that second awaking. What I'm trying to say is I'm coming to work early for myself. I don't get paid enough to stress out after work over some client or responder and wouldn't want it to affect my other lifes (school, hobbies, personal, love, family). That sacrifice is worth it for me.

Answer B, for beer.

[skiiipi]

I'm an A as long as the employer is not adhering to the proper employment laws (paying you 4 hours if you show up for work but feeling ill half way through, time and half on holidays etc)

employer only needs to pay you for 2 hours if you go home ill part way thru your shift.
Employer may not schedule you for any shifts under 4 hours, but they can send you home after 2.

[goo3]

I think ive been on time for work 12 times out of the whole year

morning meetings :speechless:

[hotjoint]

I'm option C (15 minutes early) for everything in my life not just work. I hate being just on time. Traffic is unpredictable so I would rather be there earlier then get there right on time or be late. Gf tells me that it's my OCD :lol

[TheKingdom2000]

I always thought taking a smoke break while being a waiter was a no no, since you would come in smelling like smoke?

We had a few A's at the restaurant I used to work at, this is because people would have to change etc before their shifts. Then the rule was you needed to be changed before you signed in on the POS. Then again the restaurant was super chill so you could take 10 mins to take a smoke etc. and it'd be fine, this was only because the PM shift started at 4 or 5 and there was never anyone outside
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[lol]

Depends on how much I value my employer.

At my current job im an A. In my defense, I will say that yes, I get to work at 8am and i am ready to go at 8:05, but that means i work till 5 and i dont leave till say, 5:05.

If i got there at 755 and started working at 8, that doesnt mean i will leave 5 mins early to be gone by 5, i would still work till 5 and leave at 505.

In an ideal job where I enjoyed the environment and such I would do the latter.

My shift is for 8 tho, so I have to be there at 8. In a construction type job, it takes half an hour to set up tools and shit like that. Do you think they start work half an hour early ? fuck no lol. same with shutting down for the day, they gotta clean up all their shit, the day ends when they hop in their trucks and head home. not when they stop hammering the last nail for the day.

[Great68]

In a construction type job, it takes half an hour to set up tools and shit like that. Do you think they start work half an hour early ? fuck no lol. same with shutting down for the day, they gotta clean up all their shit, the day ends when they hop in their trucks and head home. not when they stop hammering the last nail for the day.

EXACTLY, it depends on the job. For construction, setting up/cleaning your workspace is a function of the job itself.

[sonick]

If you're early you're on time. If you're on time, you are late.

[white_guilt]

This is why you have to try and work for yourself as soon as possible. None of this A and B bullshit.

[InvisibleSoul]

Does it really take everyone at least five minutes to be ready to work?

If I get in at 9am, I'm ready to work within 10 seconds, or as long as it takes me to hang up my jacket and type in my login password for Windows.

[Presto]

This is why you have to try and work for yourself as soon as possible. None of this A and B bullshit.

Typically, owning your own business means that you can't slack, even if you want to. Which means, possibly, getting up earlier, and leaving a lot later.

[winson604]

Does it really take everyone at least five minutes to be ready to work?

If I get in at 9am, I'm ready to work within 10 seconds, or as long as it takes me to hang up my jacket and type in my login password for Windows.

Pretty normal to take about 2-3 minutes. Login to phone, login to computer plus wait for it to load, login to all the apps you use etc. The worst is when the previous person shutdown vs restart. sigh

[Glove]

I tried a call center job long time ago,

after the training and we got out onto the floor,

I clocked into my phone at 8:00:01

1 second past. I did it on purpose just to see if they would care,

low and behold the supervisor came to my desk to give me a talking to.

He said I was late this morning,

I said I was 1 second late,

he said late is late, one more time and il get written up.

I said I did it on purpose just to see if you would say something over 1 second.

I quit the next day, no way in hell am I gonna work in a place like that.

I now have a "career" can do what ever the hell I want, whenever the hell I want, just as long at the work gets done, im stress free.

[white_guilt]

Typically, owning your own business means that you can't slack, even if you want to. Which means, possibly, getting up earlier, and leaving a lot later.

It's still more rewarding than following the guidelines laid out by some faceless corporation. And besides, I don't mean owning your own convenience store, I mean being the boss of some Fortune 500 company, which of course is easier said than done.

[RRxtar]

Typically, owning your own business means that you can't slack, even if you want to. Which means, possibly, getting up earlier, and leaving a lot later.
I started my own company a couple years ago. Now my day starts as soon as I can get out of bed and ends at whatever time Im done whatever part of the job I intended to do that day. But it doesnt end at that time, because after work I have to go do walkthrus, meetings, quotes, etc. And then on weekends Im running around getting things setup for the following week.

And as for my employees. I pick them up prior to the start time. Lets say we are starting at 7:30, I pick them up at 7:15. We are at the job site at 7:30 and they get paid from 7:30 on. If we get to the job site early at 7:25, they are paid from 7:30 on. If we get to the job site late at 7:35, they are paid from 7:30 on.

The company I used to work for before I started my own company.. I had to pick the work truck/trailer up from the boss's house and get to the job site by 7:50am to start at 8am. I would have to be at his house by 7:30am. And the reverse would happen in the evening. Leave the jobsite at 4pm, leave his house at 4:30pm. He only paid me 8am-4pm and said picking up the truck was "part of the job". One of the reasons I quit.

[AzNightmare]

If you want to impress your manager/boss/co-workers, etc.

Be ready to start working right at 8am. Arrive at 7:55am.
Stop working at 5pm. Pack up and leave at 5:05pm.

That's the proper way. Although even some bosses/managers will be lenient, depending
on how they run their company. Some really don't mind, and expect you to just be in at 8.
Then you can get your coffee and whatnot. (Just remember that there's no bonus points here though,
so should he decide to give someone a raise, you won't be at the top of the list)


What I believe is the most important (that will also influence your bosses' standard) is
what type of job you're doing.

If you're dealing with clients, I would say if the place opens at 8, you need to be ready
to go right at 8. If you're working in a store, you need to be ready to go at 8 if doors open at 8.

If you're working in an office where you don't deal with clients, you're more flexible
to be there at 8, and get your coffee, turn on your computer, etc. You aren't serving any
customers, so 5 mins difference isn't a big deal.

[bloodmack]

im going to be honest here, i should start work at 6 but i dont arrive til 11 so im going to say it depends on the job. A) for jobs im not going to go anywhere in i.e. mcdonalds or in my case home depot (i don't work there anymore just using it as a reference from my high school jobs). B) for jobs i know i can move up if i try hard enough.

[Meowjin]

I work 2 jobs.

Day job just requires me to be there right at the hour. 1 minute late = written up.

night job i can be as last as possible, just as long as the work is done. Infact i've come 15 minutes late every time. What irritates me though is the people who stroll in 15 minutes late, then take 30 minutes to get ready.

[AzNightmare]

...just as long as the work is done.

I think that is the key factor.

If you're in a job that serves customers,
you sure as hell aren't getting your job done if you're late 5 mins and not physically there.

Whereas if you're in another type of job that just requires you to
get "X" amount of work done by the end of the day, then the work times
will be more flexible. As long as you get your "X" amount of work done.

Of course, there is always exceptions. Some bosses follow proper principle.
So 1 second late is late. But from my personal experiences, the only bosses that follow this are
the jobs where I had to serve customers.

[twitchyzero]

employer only needs to pay you for 2 hours if you go home ill part way thru your shift.
Employer may not schedule you for any shifts under 4 hours, but they can send you home after 2.

yeah i understand it was changed
i'm just saying if the employer can't respect the employee standards act than why should i respect the employer by doing unpaid preparation work.

I understand if you work in hospitality, there's the trade off of good tips, but anything else there's no excuse..pardon my rant.

[impulseX]

i work in a kitchen where coming in early (B) is an absolute must. I only have so much time to set up before service that if i show up on the dot, and then look through what i need, i will have spent anywhere from 10-15 mins just organizing what i need. that means I'm out 15 mins of setting up.

if i get there early, even tho i'm not paid during the time i inspect my station for what i need, i'm less stressed and less rushed to get ready for service.

there are times where i show up on the dot and just get to work, but thats only because i know its going to be a slow night with not much to prepare for.

[Great68]

i work in a kitchen where coming in early (B) is an absolute must. I only have so much time to set up before service that if i show up on the dot, and then look through what i need, i will have spent anywhere from 10-15 mins just organizing what i need. that means I'm out 15 mins of setting up.

if i get there early, even tho i'm not paid during the time i inspect my station for what i need, i'm less stressed and less rushed to get ready for service.

there are times where i show up on the dot and just get to work, but thats only because i know its going to be a slow night with not much to prepare for.

I would say you SHOULD be paid for those prep duties, you are performing work at that point. Your shift should be scheduled 15 minutes earlier to account for that.

[impulseX]

I would say you SHOULD be paid for those prep duties, you are performing work at that point. Your shift should be scheduled 15 minutes earlier to account for that.

what i mean is i'll be ready 15 mins early. and just do a quick walkthrough so i have an idea of what i really need. i understand what you're saying, and i sometimes have that mentality so i just chill out till my actual start time, but overall, its a bit easier if i do that walkthrough and just take a mental note of what needs to be refilled, what needs to be made, etc.

[Teh Doucher]

im D. my shift is from 230pm-10pm. i get to work at 2, change my clothes etc put boots on and find out what ill be making that day then punch in at 2:20. takes me a good 20-30 minutes everyday to setup and get everything i need together. i dont start producing till about 3 most of the time.

few days this week i had light days, work hard from 3pm-6:30pm (no bathroom or water breaks) and have all the work for the day done. lunch break at 7, then do nothing but stand around and message on my berry till about 9 when i start my cleanup and its back to doing nothing at 9:30, then punch out at 10.

[buddy]

"A" if you are the employee ...

"B" if you are the employer

[EatDog]

If there is even a difference between A) and B) your job probably sucks.

As far as I'm concerned, the minute I prox through the door and breathe the toxic air of outgassing carpets & laser printer toner, I'm on the clock.

None of this watching a BIOS POST, Windows PXE boot..... waiting waiting waiting.... type username and password...... waiting waiting waiting...... NOW I'm on the clock?

[gdoh]

If you're early you're on time. If you're on time, you are late.

this right here

i hate being late for my stuff i get stressed out