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fliptuner · 03-18-2011, 07:35 PM

Mountie reprimanded for response to double murder

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome

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A B.C. police officer who didn't fully investigate reports of gunshots fired while a woman lay dying in her home for days has been punished with just one day's docked pay.

In September 2008, Mission RCMP Const. Mike White responded to a call of six shots fired, but never got out of his car to search the neighbourhood and left the scene after 13 minutes to attend another call.

But across the street from the 911-caller's house, 37-year-old Lisa Dudley and her 33-year-old boyfriend Guthrie McKay were lying fatally wounded in a rural home.

Mountie fined $1,500 in fatal crash
Judge cites 'momentary lapse' in attention as officer sped to 911 call in 2007

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Moun...485/story.html

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A Burnaby RCMP officer who pleaded guilty to driving without due care in a crash that killed two young men avoided jail Thursday and was instead fined $1,500.

Const. Petina Kostiuk, 41, crashed into a car at the corner of Kingsway and Royal Oak on Oct. 31, 2007, killing newlywed Albert Haczewski, 27, and his lifelong buddy, Koyo Hara, 26.

baggdis300 · 03-18-2011, 07:40 PM

falcon · 03-18-2011, 08:01 PM

The RCMP will always be in the news and scrutinized for everything because they are Canada's largest police force. The whole RCMP = bad/corrupt is bullshit. I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.

Am I the only one that's tired of these news stories and these threads?

fliptuner · 03-18-2011, 08:11 PM

If it were your family that died due to the cop not interviewing the 911 caller or not paying better attention when crossing that intersection, I'm sure you would be singing a different tune.

With the risk, authority and responsibity associated with the job, they should expect the scrutiny.

baggdis300 · 03-18-2011, 08:41 PM

rcmp = biggest gang in the country....

so what do you think is going to happen when citizens speak out about one of there members?

Acuracura · 03-18-2011, 10:15 PM

There could be a lot of circumstances to the shots fired call that were not in the news report.
-Was the complainant familiar with gun fire?
-How many callers were there reporting the gun fire?
-Were there any other responding members? I really doubt they would send only 1 car to gun fire. How many cars were working at that time?
-Did the complainant only hear the gunfire or actually see something.
-What was the incoming call the member left to

Police go to reports of shots fired all the time. And unless there's something to point it specifically to a house, there's not much to do other then patrol around, knock on some doors. If they're dead in the house, they don't answer the door, you can't see anything from the outside windows, the complainant doesn't know where it came from, there's no authority for Police to go kicking down every door in the area.

I agree patrols and due diligence should be made to search out any evidence in gun fire and that should be the reason why the mountie is in trouble, not the fact that it turned out to be a double murder. Whether 13 minutes of patrols and the level of priority of the incoming call was enough to justify writing off the incident, I'm sure everyone will make their own judgement in 20/20 hindsight. This Mountie made his decision at the time of the calls based on the circumstances that he was aware of then, not what everyone knows now.

Just to clarify, I don't have an opinion without more information as to what happened.

flagella · 03-18-2011, 10:17 PM

falcon you must be fcking retarded. Wtf does a normal person not being able to do the job have anything to do with RCMP not doing what they are supposed to do?

BNR32_Coupe · 03-18-2011, 10:34 PM

that is so messed. it won't ever stop though, there will always be a few bad apples on the force.

some people mention the RCMP are corrupt, they're like a gang, etc., but we have one of the most honest police agencies in the world. i dont have any sources or stats, but compare the RCMP with most asian countries police departments and you can begin to appreciate their level of integrity.

of course, without using any other police agency as a baseline for measure, the RCMP look real crappy since all we hear about is the bad (with good reason though, we expect them to do good always)

Snugglez · 03-19-2011, 02:12 AM

^ thats just a load of shit.
The RCMP has been one of the worse police forces in history.
You are getting it mixed up with the VPD. The VPD has been the one with the less problems.
The RCMP is composed of many human beings, and we all know how fucked up human beings are anyways.

Hot Karl · 03-19-2011, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by falcon

The RCMP will always be in the news and scrutinized for everything because they are Canada's largest police force. The whole RCMP = bad/corrupt is bullshit. I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.

Am I the only one that's tired of these news stories and these threads?

i am also tired of these stories too.
multiple cops driving dui.
cops beating folks up while drunk and off duty.
cops missing shifts because there's an olympic hockey game on.
cops forgetting the bullets and working with an empty gun.
cops kicking folks in the face for no reason.
cops confiscating witness cellphones, then deleting files.

small dicked losers and fat lesbians are not socially adept people. yet they make up the majority of the police force. it's just like anything. you give a fucking loser power? guess what? they'll abuse it and still be a fucking loser.

that's what you're justifying here. OH IT'S HARD. SO OCCASIONALLY I'M JUST GONNA COMPLETELY FUCK UP MY OH SO NOBLE JOB AND SOME FOLKS WILL DIE BECAUSE OF MY MISTAKES.

NO BIGGIE, BECAUSE PUTTING ON A VEST, GUN AND WALKING AROUND WITH A PUFFED UP SENSE OF IMPORTANCE IS REALLY REALLY HARD.

acuracura: good points. but we've all seen cops spend extra time on bullshit like a house party or 4 patrol cars for a traffic stop etc. but hey, reports of gunshots, meh. priorities dude. it's not much of a patrol if you don't leave the car. simple as that. ya damn right you can't see anything in the house. you're in a fucking car on the road. most houses don't have a drive-thru window.

xilley · 03-19-2011, 05:00 AM

bunch of useless pigs

Gary Oak · 03-19-2011, 01:15 PM

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A Burnaby RCMP officer who pleaded guilty to driving without due care in a crash that killed two young men avoided jail Thursday and was instead fined $1,500.

Const. Petina Kostiuk, 41, crashed into a car at the corner of Kingsway and Royal Oak on Oct. 31, 2007, killing newlywed Albert Haczewski, 27, and his lifelong buddy, Koyo Hara, 26.

thats bullshit. No jail time and 1500 fine!
thats not even a slap on the wrist

jmvdesign · 03-19-2011, 01:42 PM

Disgusting. Those officers' careless and inadequate actions caused innocent people's lives and get away with a slap on a wrist. Ironically, this border guard was found guilty for sexual assault and gets 2 years: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...x-assault.html

yellowpower · 03-19-2011, 01:45 PM

FUCK DA POLEEEEEEEEEEECE

Nlkko · 03-19-2011, 01:49 PM

One of the guy is a newly-wed too. Meh. And the cop was going 90km/h...

It's like the judge basically told the victim's family: "Hey, sucks to be you."

jmvdesign · 03-19-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by falcon

The RCMP will always be in the news and scrutinized for everything because they are Canada's largest police force. The whole RCMP = bad/corrupt is bullshit. I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.

Am I the only one that's tired of these news stories and these threads?

It's pretty simple really. It's all about accountability. The RCMP has none of it.

drunkrussian · 03-19-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by falcon

I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.

none of those are required to properly investigate a call ratuer than staying in your car and leavimg after 13 mins. stfu
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baggdis300 · 03-19-2011, 07:10 PM

^^
im guessing you were drunk when you posted that :P

hillmar · 03-20-2011, 08:59 AM

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hillmar · 03-20-2011, 09:07 AM

$1500 dollar fine for vehicular manslaughter is way to light of a punishment. You probly pay more for excessive speeding at the end of the day with all the penalties! As for rushing to a crime scene, the officers are trained to react to a emergency without endangering the lives of the public, no matter how severe the emergency. She made a fatal mistake and should be punished accordingly!
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CanadaGoose · 03-20-2011, 02:33 PM

The alternative is nobody dial 9-1-1, because there won't be anyone on the other end to pick up anyways, we don't employ a police force, and we go about policing ourselves in this society. Because there will never be a police force that is 100% what we all want it to be.

baggdis300 · 03-20-2011, 02:45 PM

and when you try to defend your self you get 10 charges thrown at you.

complete BS......

Acuracura · 03-20-2011, 04:20 PM

Grave's Constant is the ratio of Police Officers to Civilians.

"Too many Police officers and the government becomes too powerful and the civilians become persecuted, oppressed. Oppression means civilians die... Too many civilians and we lose control. We also lose cops, good cops."

The quote was used to compliment the Romans who had supposedly found the magic ratio of 500 civilians to 1 centurion (police officer). Atleast it was the magic number during their era

Nlkko · 03-20-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaGoose

The alternative is nobody dial 9-1-1, because there won't be anyone on the other end to pick up anyways, we don't employ a police force, and we go about policing ourselves in this society. Because there will never be a police force that is 100% what we all want it to be.

It's never gonna be 100%, but the point is to get it as close to 100% as possible. The violators should get made an example publicly, not being let away without even a slap on the wrist.

The people who say "if you don't like it, don't call the police" is retarded. 2 lives. If it was your spouses, I bet you wouldn't be so nonchalant, fucking hypocrits.

Gumby · 03-21-2011, 09:26 AM

And today, they reported that 23.8 percent of RCMP members are considered "obese":

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/201...unties-110321/