[fliptuner]

Mountie reprimanded for response to double murder

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110318/bc_mike_white_police_discipline_110318/20110318?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

A B.C. police officer who didn't fully investigate reports of gunshots fired while a woman lay dying in her home for days has been punished with just one day's docked pay.

In September 2008, Mission RCMP Const. Mike White responded to a call of six shots fired, but never got out of his car to search the neighbourhood and left the scene after 13 minutes to attend another call.

But across the street from the 911-caller's house, 37-year-old Lisa Dudley and her 33-year-old boyfriend Guthrie McKay were lying fatally wounded in a rural home.



Mountie fined $1,500 in fatal crash
Judge cites 'momentary lapse' in attention as officer sped to 911 call in 2007

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Mountie+fined+fatal+crash/4462485/story.html


A Burnaby RCMP officer who pleaded guilty to driving without due care in a crash that killed two young men avoided jail Thursday and was instead fined $1,500.

Const. Petina Kostiuk, 41, crashed into a car at the corner of Kingsway and Royal Oak on Oct. 31, 2007, killing newlywed Albert Haczewski, 27, and his lifelong buddy, Koyo Hara, 26.

[baggdis300]

:speechless:

[falcon]

The RCMP will always be in the news and scrutinized for everything because they are Canada's largest police force. The whole RCMP = bad/corrupt is bullshit. I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.


Am I the only one that's tired of these news stories and these threads?

[fliptuner]

If it were your family that died due to the cop not interviewing the 911 caller or not paying better attention when crossing that intersection, I'm sure you would be singing a different tune.

With the risk, authority and responsibity associated with the job, they should expect the scrutiny.

[baggdis300]

rcmp = biggest gang in the country....


so what do you think is going to happen when citizens speak out about one of there members?

[Acuracura]

There could be a lot of circumstances to the shots fired call that were not in the news report.
-Was the complainant familiar with gun fire?
-How many callers were there reporting the gun fire?
-Were there any other responding members? I really doubt they would send only 1 car to gun fire. How many cars were working at that time?
-Did the complainant only hear the gunfire or actually see something.
-What was the incoming call the member left to

Police go to reports of shots fired all the time. And unless there's something to point it specifically to a house, there's not much to do other then patrol around, knock on some doors. If they're dead in the house, they don't answer the door, you can't see anything from the outside windows, the complainant doesn't know where it came from, there's no authority for Police to go kicking down every door in the area.

I agree patrols and due diligence should be made to search out any evidence in gun fire and that should be the reason why the mountie is in trouble, not the fact that it turned out to be a double murder. Whether 13 minutes of patrols and the level of priority of the incoming call was enough to justify writing off the incident, I'm sure everyone will make their own judgement in 20/20 hindsight. This Mountie made his decision at the time of the calls based on the circumstances that he was aware of then, not what everyone knows now.

Just to clarify, I don't have an opinion without more information as to what happened.

[flagella]

falcon you must be fcking retarded. Wtf does a normal person not being able to do the job have anything to do with RCMP not doing what they are supposed to do?

[BNR32_Coupe]

that is so messed. it won't ever stop though, there will always be a few bad apples on the force.

some people mention the RCMP are corrupt, they're like a gang, etc., but we have one of the most honest police agencies in the world. i dont have any sources or stats, but compare the RCMP with most asian countries police departments and you can begin to appreciate their level of integrity.

of course, without using any other police agency as a baseline for measure, the RCMP look real crappy since all we hear about is the bad (with good reason though, we expect them to do good always)

[Snugglez]

^ thats just a load of shit.
The RCMP has been one of the worse police forces in history.
You are getting it mixed up with the VPD. The VPD has been the one with the less problems.
The RCMP is composed of many human beings, and we all know how fucked up human beings are anyways.

[Hot Karl]

The RCMP will always be in the news and scrutinized for everything because they are Canada's largest police force. The whole RCMP = bad/corrupt is bullshit. I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.


Am I the only one that's tired of these news stories and these threads?

i am also tired of these stories too.
multiple cops driving dui.
cops beating folks up while drunk and off duty.
cops missing shifts because there's an olympic hockey game on.
cops forgetting the bullets and working with an empty gun.
cops kicking folks in the face for no reason.
cops confiscating witness cellphones, then deleting files.

small dicked losers and fat lesbians are not socially adept people. yet they make up the majority of the police force. it's just like anything. you give a fucking loser power? guess what? they'll abuse it and still be a fucking loser.

that's what you're justifying here. OH IT'S HARD. SO OCCASIONALLY I'M JUST GONNA COMPLETELY FUCK UP MY OH SO NOBLE JOB AND SOME FOLKS WILL DIE BECAUSE OF MY MISTAKES.

NO BIGGIE, BECAUSE PUTTING ON A VEST, GUN AND WALKING AROUND WITH A PUFFED UP SENSE OF IMPORTANCE IS REALLY REALLY HARD.

acuracura: good points. but we've all seen cops spend extra time on bullshit like a house party or 4 patrol cars for a traffic stop etc. but hey, reports of gunshots, meh. priorities dude. it's not much of a patrol if you don't leave the car. simple as that. ya damn right you can't see anything in the house. you're in a fucking car on the road. most houses don't have a drive-thru window.

[xilley]

bunch of useless pigs

[Gary Oak]

A Burnaby RCMP officer who pleaded guilty to driving without due care in a crash that killed two young men avoided jail Thursday and was instead fined $1,500.

Const. Petina Kostiuk, 41, crashed into a car at the corner of Kingsway and Royal Oak on Oct. 31, 2007, killing newlywed Albert Haczewski, 27, and his lifelong buddy, Koyo Hara, 26.

thats bullshit. No jail time and 1500 fine!
thats not even a slap on the wrist

[jmvdesign]

Disgusting. Those officers' careless and inadequate actions caused innocent people's lives and get away with a slap on a wrist. Ironically, this border guard was found guilty for sexual assault and gets 2 years: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/04/bc-border-guard-sex-assault.html

[yellowpower]

FUCK DA POLEEEEEEEEEEECE

[Nlkko]

One of the guy is a newly-wed too. Meh. And the cop was going 90km/h...

It's like the judge basically told the victim's family: "Hey, sucks to be you."

[jmvdesign]

The RCMP will always be in the news and scrutinized for everything because they are Canada's largest police force. The whole RCMP = bad/corrupt is bullshit. I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.


Am I the only one that's tired of these news stories and these threads?

It's pretty simple really. It's all about accountability. The RCMP has none of it.

[drunkrussian]

I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings strap on a vest, gun, belt and go stop some crime. %90 of you would run home crying in the first week once you realize how hard of a job it really is.

none of those are required to properly investigate a call ratuer than staying in your car and leavimg after 13 mins. stfu
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[baggdis300]

^^
im guessing you were drunk when you posted that :P

[hillmar]

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[hillmar]

$1500 dollar fine for vehicular manslaughter is way to light of a punishment. You probly pay more for excessive speeding at the end of the day with all the penalties! As for rushing to a crime scene, the officers are trained to react to a emergency without endangering the lives of the public, no matter how severe the emergency. She made a fatal mistake and should be punished accordingly!
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[CanadaGoose]

The alternative is nobody dial 9-1-1, because there won't be anyone on the other end to pick up anyways, we don't employ a police force, and we go about policing ourselves in this society. Because there will never be a police force that is 100% what we all want it to be.

[baggdis300]

and when you try to defend your self you get 10 charges thrown at you.

complete BS......

[Acuracura]

Grave's Constant is the ratio of Police Officers to Civilians.

"Too many Police officers and the government becomes too powerful and the civilians become persecuted, oppressed. Oppression means civilians die... Too many civilians and we lose control. We also lose cops, good cops."

The quote was used to compliment the Romans who had supposedly found the magic ratio of 500 civilians to 1 centurion (police officer). Atleast it was the magic number during their era

[Nlkko]

The alternative is nobody dial 9-1-1, because there won't be anyone on the other end to pick up anyways, we don't employ a police force, and we go about policing ourselves in this society. Because there will never be a police force that is 100% what we all want it to be.

It's never gonna be 100%, but the point is to get it as close to 100% as possible. The violators should get made an example publicly, not being let away without even a slap on the wrist.

The people who say "if you don't like it, don't call the police" is retarded. 2 lives. If it was your spouses, I bet you wouldn't be so nonchalant, fucking hypocrits.

[Gumby]

And today, they reported that 23.8 percent of RCMP members are considered "obese":

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110321/overweight-mounties-110321/

[GabAlmighty]

I'd like to see any one of you 100lb weaklings

Closin in on 200lbs actually...

[Roach]

The sad part about Dudley's case is that upon being discovered 4 days later she was sitll alive but died en route to the hospital.

I listened to an interview with her parents where they stated that she was stuck to her chair because of all the blood and couldn't move.

Pretty traumatic details for the family to digest. And hence the outrage at the lack of consequence for the officer who didn't even leave his vehicle when he attended the scene.

Kev

[Culverin]

And today, they reported that 23.8 percent of RCMP members are considered "obese":

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110321/overweight-mounties-110321/


So is the consensus that the PARE test is currently too lenient? To me, if you're a desk jockey, it's ok. But if you ever end up in the field, I think as a tax payer, I'd feel pretty bad if you're sending me 1 fit guy and 1 not-fit guy and it costs one of my family members their life.

[BNR32_Coupe]

And today, they reported that 23.8 percent of RCMP members are considered "obese":

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110321/overweight-mounties-110321/

"The statistics regarding weight loss amongst Mounties may be misleading. Obesity is measured by body mass index (BMI), which is based on height and weight measurements. The problem with BMI is that particularly muscular people may be classified as obese, when in reality, their extra weight is not due to unhealthy body fat."

http://www.atlanticdrugs.com/news/obese-mounties-weight-121.html

brad pitt in fightclub was calculated as obese (not saying all RCMP officers are brad pitt), though you can certainly tell from the movie that he was probably in one of his prime stages

[Gumby]

"The statistics regarding weight loss amongst Mounties may be misleading. Obesity is measured by body mass index (BMI), which is based on height and weight measurements. The problem with BMI is that particularly muscular people may be classified as obese, when in reality, their extra weight is not due to unhealthy body fat."

http://www.atlanticdrugs.com/news/obese-mounties-weight-121.html

brad pitt in fightclub was calculated as obese (not saying all RCMP officers are brad pitt), though you can certainly tell from the movie that he was probably in one of his prime stages
Good thing you pointed that out. A headline of "25% of RCMP officers are obese" is obviously more catchy, but we should always read between the lines. It's also why I put "obese" in quotations in my original posting. :)

[Spidey]

And today, they reported that 23.8 percent of RCMP members are considered "obese":

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110321/overweight-mounties-110321/

How many of those do desk duty and aren't doing General duty?
Anyways, cops are human. Humans make mistakes. Yes, there are some stories that are ridiculous, and I believe that there should be stronger punishments, but when you get information from the media, you aren't getting ALL of it. You get the parts that turns heads.

These 2 cases are sad, but I don't see much wrong with it. The car accident was just that, an accident. I am sure the officer feels horrible, and although that won't bring back the 2 that died, it isn't like she was DUI. Cops are trained in emergency situations, but when was training ever the same as real life? You are never 100% prepared for real life. You can train and be AS MUCH prepared as you possibly can, but you can never predict the unpredictable.

As for the woman who died from gunshot wounds. As Acuracura said, it isn't like the police can kick down every door in the neighbourhood. No one knows the extent of the circumstances in the situation. The police have a lot less power these days in terms of barging into ones home, and doing whatever they like.

There are rotten apples everywhere, in every profession. Should the RCMP, VPD, etc enforce stricter punishment against members that do not use good judgement or break the law? Probably, but in these 2 instances, I would not expect or want either of these officers to be relieved of their duty as a LEO.

Being a police officer is like being a hockey team in Canada. You will be ridiculed out of town for all the bad. The only difference is, that hockey teams get praise for doing good.

[Spidey]

So is the consensus that the PARE test is currently too lenient? To me, if you're a desk jockey, it's ok. But if you ever end up in the field, I think as a tax payer, I'd feel pretty bad if you're sending me 1 fit guy and 1 not-fit guy and it costs one of my family members their life.

have you done the pare? it isn't very difficult but it isn't easy. no joe blow that doesn't do physical activity one form or the other can pass, or pass without puking/fainting at the end.

[tool001]

its amazing that people here compare RCMP to police forces in asia. (far much worse shit out thr).
DIdn't u learn , u compare yourself to whats better out thr, not worse!!!

if u keep comparing crap to shit, the whole country will turn into crap

[spideyv2]

lmfao @ docked 1 day pay, oh wow, big fucking deal.

I hate when people compare us, normal citizens to RCMP saying 'what would you do if you had to save lives blahblahblah' there's a fucking reason they work for the RCMP. They should be able to deal with shit like that, they should be able to deal with pulling a gun out and saving people if they have to. If they aren't able to do that than they shouldn't be working for the RCMP in the first place. I'm aware that there are good cops and bad cops, just like every race, there's good and there's bad..it sucks when people have a bad experience with say a native person or two and jump to the conclusion that all natives are poor jobless alcoholics.

But lol at some of the things cops get punished with, 'suspended 1 day without pay' or 'suspended 3 weeks with pay' gtfooooo.